Re: [apple-crop] theft deterrence
And how about making this a “All you can eat” - and charge accordingly. I don’t think anyone would eat more than a pound of apples during their picking. And in average, it would probably be less than a pound. Hence just charge for 1 extra pound of apples per person, making it clear they can eat as many apples they wish. But make it clear also that when they start eating an apple, they should eat it all... Not just one bite on one, throw it away, and another bite on another apple. The washing warning is a good idea though, as unwashed apples can also carry spray residues in addition to bird droppings. Claude Jolicoeur De : apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] De la part de Hugh Thomas Envoyé : 6 octobre 2014 15:04 À : Apple-crop discussion list Objet : Re: [apple-crop] theft deterrence Put up a sign that says the customer must wash the fruit at home before eating. Bird droppings can carry disease. On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Mark Helen Angermayer angermay...@gmail.commailto:angermay...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you Alan, ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
[apple-crop] Thank you Mister Liberty!
Yesterday, I was picking my Liberty apples and had a good thought for Jon Clements, as I really think this is a great apple! This year is a light crop year for almost all my varieties, some setting nothing and others at 10 to 25% of a normal crop. Nevertheless, my Liberties managed to yield an almost normal crop. Great job. It is also a very easy tree to train and grow, easily manageable, that yields a high percentage of first grade apples even when in a no-spray orchard or yard. As of apple quality, when grown here in Quebec, it might not be the best, but I find it better than many others and certainly is among the 10 best that grow here in zone 4. It is also very good for cider making - again maybe not the best, and it needs to be blended to balance its acidity, but better than many others. And additionally, it makes very good ice cider! Some people say it produces too many small apples - true. You just have to make cider with them. Plus, small apples have more flavor. All in all, one of the greatest apples to grow here, either for a backyard owner, a small hobby orchardist, a cider maker, or someone who doesn't like or want to spray. So, again, thank you Mister Liberty for making this apple available to us! Claude Jolicoeur Author, The New Cider Maker's Handbook http://www.cjoliprsf.ca/ http://www.chelseagreen.com/bookstore/item/the_new_cider_makers_handbook/ ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] apple tree size and planting density
Last month, I went to visit some commercial cideries in France. Most of them exploit some orchards of cider apples under 2 different systems: the Basse Tige orchard, which is a medium density (650 trees per hectare) bush orchard, on MM-106 mainly; and the Haute Tige orchard, which is the traditional standard tree orchard, at 100 trees per hectare (10 x 10 meters spacing). There were quite a few of these cideries that had recent plantings in Haute Tige. One of them also told me his future plantings would be something like one standard followed by 3 trees on MM-106, and one standard and so on, and the trees on MM106 would be cut after about 20-25 years as the standards get to their adult size. I think in general they think the Haute Tige produces better quality apples for cider. As of harvesting, since they collect the apples on the ground, there is no added harvesting costs for the large trees. So, there are some commercial apple producers that still nowadays use the old-style production models that were in use over 100 years ago! Claude Jolicoeur, Quebec Author, The New Cider Maker's Handbook http://www.cjoliprsf.ca/ http://www.chelseagreen.com/bookstore/item/the_new_cider_makers_handbook/ De : apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] De la part de Arthur Kelly Envoyé : 11 décembre 2013 09:09 À : Apple-crop discussion list Objet : Re: [apple-crop] apple tree size and planting density How did you ever think of cork? Also there is renewed interest in antique and cider apple varieties although most of us would never plant them at old standard spacings to wait for the production and for the trees to fill the spacing. On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Arthur Kelly kellyorcha...@gmail.commailto:kellyorcha...@gmail.com wrote: Ruminating is good word huh Dave. I did allow for a few. ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] Editorial Board Invitation
Kushad, Mosbah M wrote: All biz e.mails are spams. Mosbah Not necessarily, Mosbah. Some .BIZ may be spam but certainly not all of them. Often they are free web hosts. Like I have a small apple and cider related web site on a free host which is a .BIZ: cjoliprsf.awardspace.biz And this is all clean... I could also have a clean email address there, but I chose not to for other reasons. Claude Jolicoeur, Quebec ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] Tree height v. row spacing
Maurice Tougas wrote: Thirdly, consider hours of sunlight per growing season. I've never seen a zone chart for this. Might be an interesting project for some statistician (Wes!), but developing some sort of sunlight zone similar to traditional hardiness zones should influence height/width ratio. Well, at that point, we should also take into account the latitude. The more South, the higher the sun will be at noon, and in the North, the sun doesn't get as high, but the daylength is longer. Is there any model that takes these factors into account for optimisation of orchard layout? Claude Jolicoeur Quebec ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Apple-Crop: Mystery disease?
Dear apple-croppers... Last year at this time of the year, we had a fun thread on a mystery apple. This year, I would propose one on a mystery disease... Hopefully it will trigger just as much interesting discussion! I have taken pictures showing the symptoms/damage. Please look here: http://picasaweb.google.com/cjoliprsf/AppleDisease2010 Let me give you a little information on this: - Pictures were taken on August 14 2010 - The size of the apples on the picture is about 1 inch across - The apples didn't grow any bigger during fall - All the apples show the same symptoms - There is only one tree affected in the orchard (a small 1 acre orchard) - Affected variety: Wealthy (there are other Wealthy trees around that are normal) - This appeared about 5 years ago and reappears every year on this particular tree - The affected apples ripen later than normal - actually, they don't really ripen, but they stay attached on the tree until snow. - The foliage is otherwise healthy and the tree normally vigorous - Other trees about 20 feet away do not show any similar symptoms Thanks for looking at this. Claude Jolicoeur Orchardist and cider maker Zone 4, Quebec -- The 'Apple-Crop' LISTSERV is sponsored by the Virtual Orchard http://www.virtualorchard.net and managed by Win Cowgill and Jon Clements webmas...@virtualorchard.net. Apple-Crop is not moderated. Therefore, the statements do not represent official opinions and the Virtual Orchard takes no responsibility for the content.
Re: Apple-Crop: RE:..and causes you to be fat too!
Dave Rosenberger wrote: Unfortunately, American and European consumers demand food that is 100% free of pests, blemishes, and contaminants I think this is the key point! If there were no perfect fruit available on the market, people would eat fruit that is not perfect. A spot of scab on an apple really does not depreciate the nutritional value of the apple - this is only cosmetic... For my part, the apples I grow are used for cider making, and a scabby apple has exactly the same value as a perfect apple for this purpose. Interestingly, when people come in my orchard, they happily eat the non-perfect apples that I grow and find them very flavorful, and are very happy to take a bag when they leave. However, when in the store or market, these same people would not be ready to pay for a bag of imperfect apples. Why??? Maybe, consumers demand perfect food only because the ag industry has educated the consumers to demand for it! Would it be possible to go backwards? And educate consumers to accept slight cosmetic imperfections in the fruits and vegetable? If a slight scab lesion (or some other minor defect) would not depreciate a fruit to near zero value on the market, probably that the fruit industry could divide the pesticide use by a factor of 2. Just some thinking from my part after reading these recent posts. Scusez-la as we say in French... Claude Jolicoeur cidermaker in Quebec. -- The 'Apple-Crop' LISTSERV is sponsored by the Virtual Orchard http://www.virtualorchard.net and managed by Win Cowgill and Jon Clements webmas...@virtualorchard.net. Apple-Crop is not moderated. Therefore, the statements do not represent official opinions and the Virtual Orchard takes no responsibility for the content.
Re: Apple-Crop: Advice in Western Massachusetts
William, Being near Shelburne Park and Greenfield, I hope you will go at CiderDay of Franklin County on the first weekend of November. This will be an excellent way to meet apple growers and cider makers from your area. I will be there, making the trip from Quebec! This is a great weekend every year. See http://www.ciderday.org/ for schedule and description. Claude Jolicoeur, Quebec. At 11:48 2008-10-07, you wrote: George, Thanks for the tip. Buckland is near 20 minutes west of Greenfield near Shelburne Falls. William Corbin 73 Avery Road Buckland, MA 01338 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 917-494-1375 -- The 'Apple-Crop' LISTSERV is sponsored by the Virtual Orchard http://www.virtualorchard.net and managed by Win Cowgill and Jon Clements [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Apple-Crop is not moderated. Therefore, the statements do not represent official opinions and the Virtual Orchard takes no responsibility for the content.
