Re: [apple-crop] Apple bins
Hi Leslie: I am interested in their sanitation, ease of staking and storage, cost effectiveness, ease of washing, and any other issues related to differences in both material. Thanks, Mosbah Kushad University of Illinois From: apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] On Behalf Of Huffman, Leslie (OMAFRA) Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 8:29 AM To: Apple-crop discussion list Subject: Re: [apple-crop] Apple bins From a disease viewpoint or what exactly are you interested in? Leslie [cid:image001.gif@01CDC8A7.C95AB0F0] Leslie Huffman 519-738-1256 leslie.huff...@ontario.camailto:519-738-1256leslie.huff...@ontario.ca From: apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.netmailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] On Behalf Of Kushad, Mosbah M Sent: September-19-13 5:14 PM To: Apple-crop discussion list Subject: [apple-crop] Apple bins I am interested to read the opinion/experience of the group with plastic or wooden and collapsible or non-collapsible bins. Thanks, Mosbah Kushad, University of Illinois inline: image001.gif___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] Apple bins
Both need care, after a few years you also have to repair bins plastic soles, it's less easy compared to wood. We had some years ago, off flavor in apple (specially industrial compote). Studies determined that wood treatments were involved. Wood treatments are done very early in the wood process so it has been difficult to eradicate those treatments from the sawmill plants, sometime from abroad. If you want to get extra life for wooden bins you have to invest in sheds, which add to the cost. Insurance give the same quotation for wood or plastic for fire susceptibility, you have to give them the same distance from buildings. That was amazing for me but they told me that they have experience of big fires initiating in plastic bins. Jean Marc Jourdain Ctifl De : apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] De la part de Huffman, Leslie (OMAFRA) Envoyé : vendredi 20 septembre 2013 16:37 À : jon.cleme...@umass.edu; Apple-crop discussion list Objet : Re: [apple-crop] Apple bins I have also heard this, so extra care is needed both putting bins into storage and taking them out. I also know that several growers had to alter their bin carriers to accommodate the footprint of the plastic bins. However, most growers here are switching or have switched to plastic bins, and seem happy enough with them. I'd also like to hear other comments. Leslie [cid:image001.gif@01CEB620.86DD1E90] Leslie Huffman 519-738-1256 leslie.huff...@ontario.camailto:519-738-1256leslie.huff...@ontario.ca From: apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] On Behalf Of Jon Clements Sent: September-20-13 9:55 AM To: Apple-crop discussion list Subject: Re: [apple-crop] Apple bins The biggest complaint I have heard about the plastic bins is they can be slippery when handling/stacking. Oh yea, and $$$ cost... :-) On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Kushad, Mosbah M kus...@illinois.edumailto:kus...@illinois.edu wrote: Hi Leslie: I am interested in their sanitation, ease of staking and storage, cost effectiveness, ease of washing, and any other issues related to differences in both material. Thanks, Mosbah Kushad University of Illinois From: apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.netmailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.netmailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] On Behalf Of Huffman, Leslie (OMAFRA) Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 8:29 AM To: Apple-crop discussion list Subject: Re: [apple-crop] Apple bins From a disease viewpoint or what exactly are you interested in? Leslie Leslie Huffman 519-738-1256tel:519-738-1256 leslie.huff...@ontario.camailto:519-738-1256leslie.huff...@ontario.ca From: apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.netmailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] On Behalf Of Kushad, Mosbah M Sent: September-19-13 5:14 PM To: Apple-crop discussion list Subject: [apple-crop] Apple bins I am interested to read the opinion/experience of the group with plastic or wooden and collapsible or non-collapsible bins. Thanks, Mosbah Kushad, University of Illinois ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.netmailto:apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop -- Jon Clements aka 'Mr Honeycrisp' UMass Cold Spring Orchard 393 Sabin St. Belchertown, MA 01007 413-478-7219 umassfruit.comhttp://umassfruit.com inline: image001.gif___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] Apple bins
and spores and makes the undersides of the bins difficult to clean apart from using a high-pressure washer that directs the water flow to the undersides of the bins. Although plastic bins are not necessarily clean or easier to sanitize, I am still a proponent of using plastic bins. They stack better, support stack loads more reliably, and result in less bruising/scuffing of fruit that are in contact with the sides of the bin. One packinghouse operator told me that after they switched to plastic bins, they were amazed at how the switch had reduced their cullage for scuffing/bruising and that the reduced cullage over several years would go a long way toward helping to pay for the bins. Another area that no one has explored involves the foul storage odors that sometimes occur in apple storage rooms where wooden bins are used. Old wooden bins are full of basidiomycete wood decay fungi, and some of those fungi produce rather nasty odors. The wine industry struggled with off odors the came from fungi that were sometimes present in the corks (which are really just processed tree bark) until they learned to sanitize the corks by microwaving (or to avoid the problem by switching to synthetics). I don't think that the foul odors in apple storages have any impact on fruit quality. Although some of those off odors are evident on fruit eaten immediately after they are removed from the storage room, my perception is that any off odors that penetrate into the apple skin disappear quickly after the fruit are removed from storage, washed and packed. Nevertheless, if we are storing FOOD, it seems logical that the storage rooms should smell like apples, not like rotting wood. And speaking of perceptions, while plastic bins may not be free of fungal spores, they definitely LOOK cleaner and in today's world, it seems increasingly true that perception is reality. On Sep 20, 2013, at 9:43 AM, Kushad, Mosbah M kus...@illinois.edumailto:kus...@illinois.edu wrote: Hi Leslie: I am interested in their sanitation, ease of staking and storage, cost effectiveness, ease of washing, and any other issues related to differences in both material. Thanks, Mosbah Kushad University of Illinois From: apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.netmailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.netmailto:crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] On Behalf Of Huffman, Leslie (OMAFRA) Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 8:29 AM To: Apple-crop discussion list Subject: Re: [apple-crop] Apple bins From a disease viewpoint or what exactly are you interested in? Leslie image001.gif Leslie Huffman 519-738-1256 leslie.huff...@ontario.camailto:519-738-1256leslie.huff...@ontario.ca From: apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.netmailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] On Behalf Of Kushad, Mosbah M Sent: September-19-13 5:14 PM To: Apple-crop discussion list Subject: [apple-crop] Apple bins I am interested to read the opinion/experience of the group with plastic or wooden and collapsible or non-collapsible bins. Thanks, Mosbah Kushad, University of Illinois ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.netmailto:apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ** Dave Rosenberger, Professor of Plant Pathology Cornell University's Hudson Valley Lab P.O. Box 727, Highland, NY 12528 Office: 845-691-7231 Fax:845-691-2719 Cell: 845-594-3060 http://www.nysaes.cornell.edu/pp/faculty/rosenberger/ ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.netmailto:apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.netmailto:apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ** Dave Rosenberger, Professor of Plant Pathology Cornell University's Hudson Valley Lab P.O. Box 727, Highland, NY 12528 Office: 845-691-7231 Fax:845-691-2719 Cell: 845-594-3060 http://www.nysaes.cornell.edu/pp/faculty/rosenberger/ ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
Re: [apple-crop] Apple bins
I store apples in modified 6-gallon milk crates, and have noticed that the foul odor develops during our 5-month storage period. It is the same odor that I recall having smelled from fruit in wooden crates at Cornell's storages (Ithaca) in the 1960's. Our storage has never held wooden crates, and the walls have no exposed wood except for a few laminated posts supporting the walls. However, we use home-made wooden pallets, 2x4 douglas fir on 4x4 pressure-treated pine, to support each 10-crate unit. Use of plastic containers in itself does not eliminate the odor problem. I don't know whether they would smell bad if no wood at all were in the room. The odor does disappear with airing. David Kollas Kollas Orchard, Tolland, CT On Sep 19, 2013, at 5:14 PM, Kushad, Mosbah M kus...@illinois.edu wrote: I am interested to read the opinion/experience of the group with plastic or wooden and collapsible or non-collapsible bins. Thanks, Mosbah Kushad, University of Illinois ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop ___ apple-crop mailing list apple-crop@virtualorchard.net http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
