RE: [ARIE-L] RE: Ariel Odyssey
Hi, Linda, Both Connexion 2.3 and Voyager 7.2.2 (if that's what you mean by Endeavor), the current clients run in Win 7 with no problem. There's no need to run as XP. Connexion may require some additional permissions to write to the local hard drive, depending on how your student accounts are set up, but those need only be set once, by an administrator, for each student account on the pc. We're in the process of upgrading from Vista to Win 7 as we speak, and have had relatively few glitches with the exception of the Connexion write permissions issue. This is a known problem, with instructions for resolving it on OCLC's site. I haven't yet had the guts to have the Ariel pc upgraded, so it's still running XP! Joe Ellison Document Delivery and Digital Initiatives Assistant Transportation Library, Northwestern University phone: (847)491-8600 j-elli...@northwestern.edu From: arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto:arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of ILL_PSC ILL_PSC Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 7:15 AM To: Discussion of the Ariel Document Transmission System Subject: Re: [ARIE-L] RE: Ariel Odyssey I don't use Windows 7 -- yet. However, when we got new student laptops, we installed OCLC and Endeavor cataloging programs on them for our student workers and catalogers to use. After installing them, I think I had to right click and choose to run the programs as XP programs. Anyway, with a little finagling I did get the laptops to run the OCLC cataloging client and the Endeavor client, even though neither one was officially Windows 7 ready. Here's the MicroSoft explanation: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/install-and-use-windows-xp-mode- in-windows-7 Linda Linda Celet Bane Interlibrary Loan (PWS/PWSA) Mary F. Shipper Library/LRC Potomac State College of WVU Keyser, WV 26726-2697 phone: (304)788-6903 fax: (304)788-6946 Ariel: 157.182.165.30, psc_ar...@mail.wvu.edu E-mail: ill_...@mail.wvu.edu Gerald Cox g...@harding.edu Tuesday, June 21, 2011 12:18 PM Many thanks to all of you for your help! We have resolved the issues with Ariel on our Vista computer and are now able to run Ariel on it. Our original intent was to upgrade to Windows 7, but we settled for Vista. __ Gerald G. Cox, M.L.S. Interlibrary Services/Cataloging Brackett Library Harding University HU 12267 915 East Market Avenue Searcy, Arkansas 72149-2267 501-279-4349 On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 7:55 AM, Mock, Rebecca A rm...@iupui.edu wrote: IUP has been running Ariel on a VISTA machine since 2008. However I am concerned about its viability in Windows 7 and have been trying to research the possibility of it not running in 7 because we are to convert soon. We use the 3.whatever version of Ariel due to support and operating issues. Rebecca A Mock Interlibrary Services Associate IUPUI University Library (IUP) Collections Information Access Group Interlibrary Services / Document Delivery 755 W Michigan St Indianapolis, IN 46202-5195 317-278-2595 rm...@iupui.edu ul...@iupui.edu The slightest thought hadn't even begun to speculate about the merest possibility of crossing my mind ~ Douglas Adams 1952-2001 (h2g2) You want weapons? We're in a library! Books - best weapons in the world. ~ Dr. Who (Tooth Claw, 2006) From: arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto:arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Gerald Cox Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 11:10 AM To: Discussion of the Ariel Document Transmission System Subject: Re: [ARIE-L] RE: Ariel Odyssey As of today, we are no longer an Ariel library due to the fact that Ariel does not work on either Windows 7 or Windows Vista. Unfortunately, Odyssey has the same problem, so we will not be converting to Odyssey either. We will send documents either by email attachment or by library mail. However, if any of you know of an alternative to either Ariel or Odyssey that works on Windows Vista or 7, we would be happy to hear about it and consider using it. __ Gerald G. Cox, M.L.S. Interlibrary Services/Cataloging Brackett Library Harding University HU 12267 915 East Market Avenue Searcy, Arkansas 72149-2267 501-279-4349 On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Luisa Cywinski luisa.cywin...@villanova.edu wrote: Good question. We're currently investigating our licensing agreements to see which, if any, electronic methods of delivery are permissible to other libraries or to our own patrons. From: arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto:arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Denise P Westphal Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 2:48 PM To: Discussion of the Ariel Document Transmission System Subject: RE: [ARIE-L] RE: Ariel Odyssey Don't many of the publishing licenses forbid e-mailing of PDFs? Denise Westphal Louisiana State University School of Veterinary Medicine Library Public Services - ILL (225) 578-9797 tel:%28225%29
RE: [ARIE-L] RE: Ariel Odyssey
Just a little food for thought: Windows 7 can be installed as a 64-bit Operating System or a 32-bit (just like XP, Win98, etc.). You can also setup a 32-bit shell for programs that will not work in a 64-bit environment. Now I have not tried setting up Windows 7 for Ariel or Odyssey, however, in theory they should work in a 32-bit environment. The real key is finding drivers for the old scanners. One last note; if you install Windows 7 as a 32-bit system on a PC with 4GB of RAM the OS will only show 3.5GB of RAM, Windows 7 was designed from the ground up to be a 64-bit system. When it is run as a 32-bit system you lose some memory in the deal. For more information on the differences between 64-bit and 32-bit you can Google the question “What is the difference between 64 bit and 32 bit windows 7”. Here is the link to Microsoft’s FAQ on the subject: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-vista/32-bit-and-64-bit-Windows-frequently-asked-questions While this may not solve any current problems it will provide a little more insight for the next person that tries to upgrade! Richard Sager Library Assistant Macon State College Library Serials Department 100 College Station Dr. Macon, GA 31206 (478) 471-2093 richard.sa...@maconstate.edu Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to skid across the line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, shouting GERONIMO! Bill McKenna; Professional Motorcycle Racer, Cycle Magazine Feb. 1982 From: arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto:arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Gerald Cox Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 12:18 PM To: Discussion of the Ariel Document Transmission System Subject: Re: [ARIE-L] RE: Ariel Odyssey Many thanks to all of you for your help! We have resolved the issues with Ariel on our Vista computer and are now able to run Ariel on it. Our original intent was to upgrade to Windows 7, but we settled for Vista. __ Gerald G. Cox, M.L.S. Interlibrary Services/Cataloging Brackett Library Harding University HU 12267 915 East Market Avenue Searcy, Arkansas 72149-2267 501-279-4349 On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 7:55 AM, Mock, Rebecca A rm...@iupui.edu wrote: IUP has been running Ariel on a VISTA machine since 2008. However I am concerned about its viability in Windows 7 and have been trying to research the possibility of it not running in 7 because we are to convert soon. We use the 3.whatever version of Ariel due to support and operating issues. Rebecca A Mock Interlibrary Services Associate IUPUI University Library (IUP) Collections Information Access Group Interlibrary Services / Document Delivery 755 W Michigan St Indianapolis, IN 46202-5195 317-278-2595 rm...@iupui.edu ul...@iupui.edu The slightest thought hadn't even begun to speculate about the merest possibility of crossing my mind ~ Douglas Adams 1952-2001 (h2g2) You want weapons? We're in a library! Books - best weapons in the world. ~ Dr. Who (Tooth Claw, 2006) From: arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto:arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Gerald Cox Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 11:10 AM To: Discussion of the Ariel Document Transmission System Subject: Re: [ARIE-L] RE: Ariel Odyssey As of today, we are no longer an Ariel library due to the fact that Ariel does not work on either Windows 7 or Windows Vista. Unfortunately, Odyssey has the same problem, so we will not be converting to Odyssey either. We will send documents either by email attachment or by library mail. However, if any of you know of an alternative to either Ariel or Odyssey that works on Windows Vista or 7, we would be happy to hear about it and consider using it. __ Gerald G. Cox, M.L.S. Interlibrary Services/Cataloging Brackett Library Harding University HU 12267 915 East Market Avenue Searcy, Arkansas 72149-2267 501-279-4349 On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Luisa Cywinski luisa.cywin...@villanova.edu wrote: Good question. We’re currently investigating our licensing agreements to see which, if any, electronic methods of delivery are permissible to other libraries or to our own patrons. From: arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto:arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Denise P Westphal Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 2:48 PM To: Discussion of the Ariel Document Transmission System Subject: RE: [ARIE-L] RE: Ariel Odyssey Don't many of the publishing licenses forbid e-mailing of PDFs? Denise Westphal Louisiana State University School of Veterinary Medicine Library Public Services - ILL (225) 578-9797 tel:%28225%29%20578-9797 LAULSB / LBD -Original Message- From: arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu on behalf of Blake Walter Sent: Tue 5/31/2011 1:29
RE: [ARIE-L] RE: Ariel Odyssey
IUP has been running Ariel on a VISTA machine since 2008. However I am concerned about its viability in Windows 7 and have been trying to research the possibility of it not running in 7 because we are to convert soon. We use the 3.whatever version of Ariel due to support and operating issues. Rebecca A Mock Interlibrary Services Associate IUPUI University Library (IUP) Collections Information Access Group Interlibrary Services / Document Delivery 755 W Michigan St Indianapolis, IN 46202-5195 317-278-2595 rm...@iupui.edu ul...@iupui.edu The slightest thought hadn't even begun to speculate about the merest possibility of crossing my mind ~ Douglas Adams 1952-2001 (h2g2) You want weapons? We're in a library! Books - best weapons in the world. ~ Dr. Who (Tooth Claw, 2006) From: arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto:arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Gerald Cox Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 11:10 AM To: Discussion of the Ariel Document Transmission System Subject: Re: [ARIE-L] RE: Ariel Odyssey As of today, we are no longer an Ariel library due to the fact that Ariel does not work on either Windows 7 or Windows Vista. Unfortunately, Odyssey has the same problem, so we will not be converting to Odyssey either. We will send documents either by email attachment or by library mail. However, if any of you know of an alternative to either Ariel or Odyssey that works on Windows Vista or 7, we would be happy to hear about it and consider using it. __ Gerald G. Cox, M.L.S. Interlibrary Services/Cataloging Brackett Library Harding University HU 12267 915 East Market Avenue Searcy, Arkansas 72149-2267 501-279-4349 On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Luisa Cywinski luisa.cywin...@villanova.edumailto:luisa.cywin...@villanova.edu wrote: Good question. We’re currently investigating our licensing agreements to see which, if any, electronic methods of delivery are permissible to other libraries or to our own patrons. From: arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edumailto:arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto:arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edumailto:arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Denise P Westphal Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 2:48 PM To: Discussion of the Ariel Document Transmission System Subject: RE: [ARIE-L] RE: Ariel Odyssey Don't many of the publishing licenses forbid e-mailing of PDFs? Denise Westphal Louisiana State University School of Veterinary Medicine Library Public Services - ILL (225) 578-9797tel:%28225%29%20578-9797 LAULSB / LBD -Original Message- From: arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edumailto:arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu on behalf of Blake Walter Sent: Tue 5/31/2011 1:29 PM To: Discussion of the Ariel Document Transmission System Subject: RE: [ARIE-L] RE: Ariel Odyssey I continue to hear of libraries that rely solely on email attachments for ILL, and that they rarely run into problems with the size of the attachments. I have all the same reservations about continuing to rely on Ariel that others have already expressed -- it does not seem like a product that will be developed any further. I also know that our IT department is less than happy with the FTP arrangements necessary to make Ariel work. But we still run into issues within our own network when it comes to emailing large attachments, so I have been reluctant to scrap Ariel for the present. -- Blake Walter Dean of Academic Administration Director, Brimson Grow Library Northern Seminary 680 E Butterfield Rd, Lombard, IL 60148 (Voice) 630-620-2115tel:630-620-2115; (Fax) 630-620-2170tel:630-620-2170 bwal...@seminary.edumailto:bwal...@seminary.edu -Original Message- From: arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edumailto:arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto:arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Melissa Jackson Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 7:29 AM To: Discussion of the Ariel Document Transmission System Subject: [ARIE-L] RE: Ariel Odyssey We're in the same situation as Andrew, for the same reasons. We're primarily using Odyssey and email now, but have hung on to Ariel for a few libraries that can't receive articles electronically any other way. I admit I'd like to dump it, but probably won't for a while longer. We're currently testing YouSendIt for sending articles, and if that works well enough Ariel's days are numbered. Melissa Jackson ILL Librarian From: Andrew Shuping shuping...@mercer.edumailto:shuping...@mercer.edu To: Discussion of the Ariel Document Transmission System arie-l@u.washington.edumailto:arie-l@u.washington.edu Date: 5/27/2011 6:13 PM Subject:[ARIE-L] RE: Ariel Odyssey I've not dumped it yet, but I've strongly considered it. Mostly because Infotrieve really doesn't seem to care about supporting it, providing support for it, or providing good customer service some days. They haven't released any updates
Re: [ARIE-L] RE: Ariel Odyssey
Many thanks to all of you for your help! We have resolved the issues with Ariel on our Vista computer and are now able to run Ariel on it. Our original intent was to upgrade to Windows 7, but we settled for Vista. * __ **Gerald G. Cox, M.L.S.* *Interlibrary Services/Cataloging Brackett Library* *Harding University* *HU 12267* *915 East Market Avenue* *Searcy, Arkansas 72149-2267* *501-279-4349* * * On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 7:55 AM, Mock, Rebecca A rm...@iupui.edu wrote: IUP has been running Ariel on a VISTA machine since 2008. However I am concerned about its viability in Windows 7 and have been trying to research the possibility of it not running in 7 because we are to convert soon. We use the 3.whatever version of Ariel due to support and operating issues.** ** ** ** ** ** Rebecca A Mock Interlibrary Services Associate IUPUI University Library (IUP) Collections Information Access Group Interlibrary Services / Document Delivery 755 W Michigan St Indianapolis, IN 46202-5195 317-278-2595 rm...@iupui.edu ul...@iupui.edu ** ** The slightest thought hadn't even begun to speculate about the merest possibility of crossing my mind ~ Douglas Adams 1952-2001 (h2g2) ** ** You want weapons? We're in a library! Books - best weapons in the world. ~ Dr. Who (Tooth Claw, 2006) ** ** ** ** *From:* arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto: arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu] *On Behalf Of *Gerald Cox *Sent:* Monday, June 20, 2011 11:10 AM *To:* Discussion of the Ariel Document Transmission System *Subject:* Re: [ARIE-L] RE: Ariel Odyssey ** ** As of today, we are no longer an Ariel library due to the fact that Ariel does not work on either Windows 7 or Windows Vista. Unfortunately, Odyssey has the same problem, so we will not be converting to Odyssey either. We will send documents either by email attachment or by library mail. However, if any of you know of an alternative to either Ariel or Odyssey that works on Windows Vista or 7, we would be happy to hear about it and consider using it. ** *__* *Gerald G. Cox, M.L.S.* *Interlibrary Services/Cataloging Brackett Library* *Harding University* *HU 12267* *915 East Market Avenue* *Searcy, Arkansas 72149-2267* *501-279-4349* ** ** ** ** On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Luisa Cywinski luisa.cywin...@villanova.edu wrote: Good question. We’re currently investigating our licensing agreements to see which, if any, electronic methods of delivery are permissible to other libraries or to our own patrons. *From:* arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto: arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu] *On Behalf Of *Denise P Westphal *Sent:* Tuesday, May 31, 2011 2:48 PM *To:* Discussion of the Ariel Document Transmission System *Subject:* RE: [ARIE-L] RE: Ariel Odyssey Don't many of the publishing licenses forbid e-mailing of PDFs? Denise Westphal Louisiana State University School of Veterinary Medicine Library Public Services - ILL (225) 578-9797 LAULSB / LBD -Original Message- From: arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu on behalf of Blake Walter Sent: Tue 5/31/2011 1:29 PM To: Discussion of the Ariel Document Transmission System Subject: RE: [ARIE-L] RE: Ariel Odyssey I continue to hear of libraries that rely solely on email attachments for ILL, and that they rarely run into problems with the size of the attachments. I have all the same reservations about continuing to rely on Ariel that others have already expressed -- it does not seem like a product that will be developed any further. I also know that our IT department is less than happy with the FTP arrangements necessary to make Ariel work. But we still run into issues within our own network when it comes to emailing large attachments, so I have been reluctant to scrap Ariel for the present. -- Blake Walter Dean of Academic Administration Director, Brimson Grow Library Northern Seminary 680 E Butterfield Rd, Lombard, IL 60148 (Voice) 630-620-2115; (Fax) 630-620-2170 bwal...@seminary.edu -Original Message- From: arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto:arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.eduarie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Melissa Jackson Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 7:29 AM To: Discussion of the Ariel Document Transmission System Subject: [ARIE-L] RE: Ariel Odyssey We're in the same situation as Andrew, for the same reasons. We're primarily using Odyssey and email now, but have hung on to Ariel for a few libraries that can't receive articles electronically any other way. I admit I'd like to dump it, but probably won't for a while longer. We're currently testing YouSendIt for sending articles, and if that works well
Re: [ARIE-L] RE: Ariel Odyssey
As of today, we are no longer an Ariel library due to the fact that Ariel does not work on either Windows 7 or Windows Vista. Unfortunately, Odyssey has the same problem, so we will not be converting to Odyssey either. We will send documents either by email attachment or by library mail. However, if any of you know of an alternative to either Ariel or Odyssey that works on Windows Vista or 7, we would be happy to hear about it and consider using it. * __ **Gerald G. Cox, M.L.S.* *Interlibrary Services/Cataloging Brackett Library* *Harding University* *HU 12267* *915 East Market Avenue* *Searcy, Arkansas 72149-2267* *501-279-4349* * * On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Luisa Cywinski luisa.cywin...@villanova.edu wrote: Good question. We’re currently investigating our licensing agreements to see which, if any, electronic methods of delivery are permissible to other libraries or to our own patrons. ** ** *From:* arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto: arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu] *On Behalf Of *Denise P Westphal *Sent:* Tuesday, May 31, 2011 2:48 PM *To:* Discussion of the Ariel Document Transmission System *Subject:* RE: [ARIE-L] RE: Ariel Odyssey ** ** Don't many of the publishing licenses forbid e-mailing of PDFs? Denise Westphal Louisiana State University School of Veterinary Medicine Library Public Services - ILL (225) 578-9797 LAULSB / LBD -Original Message- From: arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu on behalf of Blake Walter Sent: Tue 5/31/2011 1:29 PM To: Discussion of the Ariel Document Transmission System Subject: RE: [ARIE-L] RE: Ariel Odyssey I continue to hear of libraries that rely solely on email attachments for ILL, and that they rarely run into problems with the size of the attachments. I have all the same reservations about continuing to rely on Ariel that others have already expressed -- it does not seem like a product that will be developed any further. I also know that our IT department is less than happy with the FTP arrangements necessary to make Ariel work. But we still run into issues within our own network when it comes to emailing large attachments, so I have been reluctant to scrap Ariel for the present. -- Blake Walter Dean of Academic Administration Director, Brimson Grow Library Northern Seminary 680 E Butterfield Rd, Lombard, IL 60148 (Voice) 630-620-2115; (Fax) 630-620-2170 bwal...@seminary.edu -Original Message- From: arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto:arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.eduarie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Melissa Jackson Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 7:29 AM To: Discussion of the Ariel Document Transmission System Subject: [ARIE-L] RE: Ariel Odyssey We're in the same situation as Andrew, for the same reasons. We're primarily using Odyssey and email now, but have hung on to Ariel for a few libraries that can't receive articles electronically any other way. I admit I'd like to dump it, but probably won't for a while longer. We're currently testing YouSendIt for sending articles, and if that works well enough Ariel's days are numbered. Melissa Jackson ILL Librarian From: Andrew Shuping shuping...@mercer.edu To: Discussion of the Ariel Document Transmission System arie-l@u.washington.edu Date: 5/27/2011 6:13 PM Subject:[ARIE-L] RE: Ariel Odyssey I've not dumped it yet, but I've strongly considered it. Mostly because Infotrieve really doesn't seem to care about supporting it, providing support for it, or providing good customer service some days. They haven't released any updates that I'm aware of in at least 5 years and there are always questions of whether or not it will run on Windows 7. And Windows 8 isn't that far away which makes me wonder if it will run on that. From: arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu [arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Luisa Cywinski [luisa.cywin...@villanova.edu] Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 5:36 PM To: Discussion of the Ariel Document Transmission System Subject: [ARIE-L] Ariel Odyssey Hi all, It seems like a lot of libraries are no longer using Ariel. What has everyone switched to instead? This is just an informal poll. We're trying to kick start our Odyssey again after having trouble with it a couple of years ago when we installed a Bookeye scanner with BSCAN. Thanks for any details you can share. Luisa Ms. Luisa Cywinski Team Leader, Access Services Falvey Memorial Library Villanova University 800 Lancaster Avenue Villanova, PA 19085 610-519-5215 ___ ARIE-L mailing list Mail the list at ARIE-L@u.washington.edu Unsubscribe at http://www.arie-l.org#subscribershttp://www.arie-l.org/#subscribers Archive at http://www.mail-archive.com/arie-l@u.washington.edu
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Gerald, I am finding out that Windows 7 does not like programs changing the Windows’ system, unless they are running as administrator. You can right click on the program, or shortcut, and select run as administrator. Gene Shalom (שָׁלוֹם), -- Gene Kenney Library Technology Specialist Assistant System Administrator Bethel University Library Bethel University Seminary 3900 Bethel Drive St. Paul, Minnesota 55112 voice:651-635-8733 fax: 651-635-2393 email: gken...@bethel.edumailto:gken...@bethel.edu I will give you a new heart and [I will] put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and [I will] give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you and [I will] cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them (Ezekiel 36:26-27http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Ezec=36#26). From: arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto:arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Gerald Cox Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 10:10 AM To: Discussion of the Ariel Document Transmission System Subject: Re: [ARIE-L] RE: Ariel Odyssey As of today, we are no longer an Ariel library due to the fact that Ariel does not work on either Windows 7 or Windows Vista. Unfortunately, Odyssey has the same problem, so we will not be converting to Odyssey either. We will send documents either by email attachment or by library mail. However, if any of you know of an alternative to either Ariel or Odyssey that works on Windows Vista or 7, we would be happy to hear about it and consider using it. __ Gerald G. Cox, M.L.S. Interlibrary Services/Cataloging Brackett Library Harding University HU 12267 915 East Market Avenue Searcy, Arkansas 72149-2267 501-279-4349 On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Luisa Cywinski luisa.cywin...@villanova.edumailto:luisa.cywin...@villanova.edu wrote: Good question. We’re currently investigating our licensing agreements to see which, if any, electronic methods of delivery are permissible to other libraries or to our own patrons. From: arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edumailto:arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto:arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edumailto:arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Denise P Westphal Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 2:48 PM To: Discussion of the Ariel Document Transmission System Subject: RE: [ARIE-L] RE: Ariel Odyssey Don't many of the publishing licenses forbid e-mailing of PDFs? Denise Westphal Louisiana State University School of Veterinary Medicine Library Public Services - ILL (225) 578-9797tel:%28225%29%20578-9797 LAULSB / LBD -Original Message- From: arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edumailto:arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu on behalf of Blake Walter Sent: Tue 5/31/2011 1:29 PM To: Discussion of the Ariel Document Transmission System Subject: RE: [ARIE-L] RE: Ariel Odyssey I continue to hear of libraries that rely solely on email attachments for ILL, and that they rarely run into problems with the size of the attachments. I have all the same reservations about continuing to rely on Ariel that others have already expressed -- it does not seem like a product that will be developed any further. I also know that our IT department is less than happy with the FTP arrangements necessary to make Ariel work. But we still run into issues within our own network when it comes to emailing large attachments, so I have been reluctant to scrap Ariel for the present. -- Blake Walter Dean of Academic Administration Director, Brimson Grow Library Northern Seminary 680 E Butterfield Rd, Lombard, IL 60148 (Voice) 630-620-2115tel:630-620-2115; (Fax) 630-620-2170tel:630-620-2170 bwal...@seminary.edumailto:bwal...@seminary.edu -Original Message- From: arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edumailto:arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto:arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Melissa Jackson Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 7:29 AM To: Discussion of the Ariel Document Transmission System Subject: [ARIE-L] RE: Ariel Odyssey We're in the same situation as Andrew, for the same reasons. We're primarily using Odyssey and email now, but have hung on to Ariel for a few libraries that can't receive articles electronically any other way. I admit I'd like to dump it, but probably won't for a while longer. We're currently testing YouSendIt for sending articles, and if that works well enough Ariel's days are numbered. Melissa Jackson ILL Librarian From: Andrew Shuping shuping...@mercer.edumailto:shuping...@mercer.edu To: Discussion of the Ariel Document Transmission System arie-l@u.washington.edumailto:arie-l@u.washington.edu Date: 5/27/2011 6:13 PM Subject:[ARIE-L] RE: Ariel Odyssey I've not dumped it yet, but I've strongly considered it. Mostly because Infotrieve really doesn't seem to care about supporting it, providing support for it, or providing
RE: [ARIE-L] RE: Ariel Odyssey
This is in response to the W7 issue and the copyright and PDF concerns. We actually have one computer that runs XP that we use for Ariel. It still works fine. Our school still has several XP licenses left from when XP was popular. So it’s not a problem to keep it that way. We just have make sure when the do upgrades they skip the Ariel computer. Regarding copyright and PDF’s and licensing agreements: you need to make a distinction between a direct copy from a paper journal that you make a PDF and a PDF from a full-text (online) source. The question of copyright and licensing comes from the ONLINE sources. Different online journals have different agreements and you need to check each individual agreement to know what you can or can’t share. It’s really becoming a pain, because Online sources are easier (and Paperless) to deal with, just save and email. No Ariel, no Odyssey, no muss, no fuss. However you can only do that with a few of the journals even though you would still be well within the copyright privileges of sending an article for academic research as long as you don’t exceed the five year limitations. It’s all very confusing. Anyway, that’s my 2 cents for today. ☺ Thank you, Terry IAF - ILL Governors Sate Univ. Library From: arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto:arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Gerald Cox Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 10:10 AM To: Discussion of the Ariel Document Transmission System Subject: Re: [ARIE-L] RE: Ariel Odyssey As of today, we are no longer an Ariel library due to the fact that Ariel does not work on either Windows 7 or Windows Vista. Unfortunately, Odyssey has the same problem, so we will not be converting to Odyssey either. We will send documents either by email attachment or by library mail. However, if any of you know of an alternative to either Ariel or Odyssey that works on Windows Vista or 7, we would be happy to hear about it and consider using it. __ Gerald G. Cox, M.L.S. Interlibrary Services/Cataloging Brackett Library Harding University HU 12267 915 East Market Avenue Searcy, Arkansas 72149-2267 501-279-4349 On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Luisa Cywinski luisa.cywin...@villanova.edumailto:luisa.cywin...@villanova.edu wrote: Good question. We’re currently investigating our licensing agreements to see which, if any, electronic methods of delivery are permissible to other libraries or to our own patrons. From: arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edumailto:arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto:arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edumailto:arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Denise P Westphal Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 2:48 PM To: Discussion of the Ariel Document Transmission System Subject: RE: [ARIE-L] RE: Ariel Odyssey Don't many of the publishing licenses forbid e-mailing of PDFs? Denise Westphal Louisiana State University School of Veterinary Medicine Library Public Services - ILL (225) 578-9797tel:%28225%29%20578-9797 LAULSB / LBD -Original Message- From: arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edumailto:arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu on behalf of Blake Walter Sent: Tue 5/31/2011 1:29 PM To: Discussion of the Ariel Document Transmission System Subject: RE: [ARIE-L] RE: Ariel Odyssey I continue to hear of libraries that rely solely on email attachments for ILL, and that they rarely run into problems with the size of the attachments. I have all the same reservations about continuing to rely on Ariel that others have already expressed -- it does not seem like a product that will be developed any further. I also know that our IT department is less than happy with the FTP arrangements necessary to make Ariel work. But we still run into issues within our own network when it comes to emailing large attachments, so I have been reluctant to scrap Ariel for the present. -- Blake Walter Dean of Academic Administration Director, Brimson Grow Library Northern Seminary 680 E Butterfield Rd, Lombard, IL 60148 (Voice) 630-620-2115tel:630-620-2115; (Fax) 630-620-2170tel:630-620-2170 bwal...@seminary.edumailto:bwal...@seminary.edu -Original Message- From: arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edumailto:arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto:arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Melissa Jackson Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 7:29 AM To: Discussion of the Ariel Document Transmission System Subject: [ARIE-L] RE: Ariel Odyssey We're in the same situation as Andrew, for the same reasons. We're primarily using Odyssey and email now, but have hung on to Ariel for a few libraries that can't receive articles electronically any other way. I admit I'd like to dump it, but probably won't for a while longer. We're currently testing YouSendIt for sending articles, and if that works well enough Ariel's days are numbered. Melissa Jackson ILL Librarian From: Andrew Shuping shuping
RE: [ARIE-L] RE: Ariel Odyssey
Good question. We're currently investigating our licensing agreements to see which, if any, electronic methods of delivery are permissible to other libraries or to our own patrons. From: arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto:arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Denise P Westphal Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 2:48 PM To: Discussion of the Ariel Document Transmission System Subject: RE: [ARIE-L] RE: Ariel Odyssey Don't many of the publishing licenses forbid e-mailing of PDFs? Denise Westphal Louisiana State University School of Veterinary Medicine Library Public Services - ILL (225) 578-9797 LAULSB / LBD -Original Message- From: arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu on behalf of Blake Walter Sent: Tue 5/31/2011 1:29 PM To: Discussion of the Ariel Document Transmission System Subject: RE: [ARIE-L] RE: Ariel Odyssey I continue to hear of libraries that rely solely on email attachments for ILL, and that they rarely run into problems with the size of the attachments. I have all the same reservations about continuing to rely on Ariel that others have already expressed -- it does not seem like a product that will be developed any further. I also know that our IT department is less than happy with the FTP arrangements necessary to make Ariel work. But we still run into issues within our own network when it comes to emailing large attachments, so I have been reluctant to scrap Ariel for the present. -- Blake Walter Dean of Academic Administration Director, Brimson Grow Library Northern Seminary 680 E Butterfield Rd, Lombard, IL 60148 (Voice) 630-620-2115; (Fax) 630-620-2170 bwal...@seminary.edu -Original Message- From: arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto:arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Melissa Jackson Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 7:29 AM To: Discussion of the Ariel Document Transmission System Subject: [ARIE-L] RE: Ariel Odyssey We're in the same situation as Andrew, for the same reasons. We're primarily using Odyssey and email now, but have hung on to Ariel for a few libraries that can't receive articles electronically any other way. I admit I'd like to dump it, but probably won't for a while longer. We're currently testing YouSendIt for sending articles, and if that works well enough Ariel's days are numbered. Melissa Jackson ILL Librarian From: Andrew Shuping shuping...@mercer.edu To: Discussion of the Ariel Document Transmission System arie-l@u.washington.edu Date: 5/27/2011 6:13 PM Subject:[ARIE-L] RE: Ariel Odyssey I've not dumped it yet, but I've strongly considered it. Mostly because Infotrieve really doesn't seem to care about supporting it, providing support for it, or providing good customer service some days. They haven't released any updates that I'm aware of in at least 5 years and there are always questions of whether or not it will run on Windows 7. And Windows 8 isn't that far away which makes me wonder if it will run on that. From: arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu [arie-l-boun...@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Luisa Cywinski [luisa.cywin...@villanova.edu] Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 5:36 PM To: Discussion of the Ariel Document Transmission System Subject: [ARIE-L] Ariel Odyssey Hi all, It seems like a lot of libraries are no longer using Ariel. What has everyone switched to instead? This is just an informal poll. We're trying to kick start our Odyssey again after having trouble with it a couple of years ago when we installed a Bookeye scanner with BSCAN. Thanks for any details you can share. Luisa Ms. Luisa Cywinski Team Leader, Access Services Falvey Memorial Library Villanova University 800 Lancaster Avenue Villanova, PA 19085 610-519-5215 ___ ARIE-L mailing list Mail the list at ARIE-L@u.washington.edu Unsubscribe at http://www.arie-l.org#subscribers Archive at http://www.mail-archive.com/arie-l@u.washington.edu/ Scanner recommendations at http://shareill.org/index.php?titleiel_Scanners ___ ARIE-L mailing list Mail the list at ARIE-L@u.washington.edu Unsubscribe at http://www.arie-l.org#subscribers Archive at http://www.mail-archive.com/arie-l@u.washington.edu/ Scanner recommendations at http://shareill.org/index.php?title=iel_Scanners ___ ARIE-L mailing list Mail the list at ARIE-L@u.washington.edu Unsubscribe at http://www.arie-l.org#subscribers Archive at http://www.mail-archive.com/arie-l@u.washington.edu/ Scanner recommendations at http://shareill.org/index.php?title=Ariel_Scanners
