re : securities analysis

2002-04-04 Thread Koushik S
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The specific article ( Super Investors of Graham and Dodd'sville) 
Imentioned gives the case study of five or six of Benjamin Graham's 
discipleswho have outperformed the market over a significantly long period 
of time.While Buffett has hogged the limelight but there are many 
others, not aswell known, who come from the same intellectual school of 
investing and havestatistically outperformed the market over long period of 
time. To use yourown analogy, if six Micheal Jordans came to NBA from the 
same high schooland had similar averages clearly somebody needs to take 
notice and study whysuch a disproportionate people have performed so 
stupendously. I am notsure if one can dismiss such evidence as a freak 
event.If you take the entire market then many players attain 
sub-indiceperformance. These I am sure will be the majority. However there 
are a few(such as Buffett) who gain substantially at the expense of the 
majority.If you measure this situation and ask the question does the 
majority underthe perform the index of just about match the index, the 
answer will be anresounding and obvious yes.But the real 
question is whether there were any clustering in theattributes of the 
minority who consistently beat the market. If there is astrong clustering of 
attributes (they ate the same brand of corn flakes formany many years 
or went to the same school or followed the principles ofthe same Guru 
of investing or whatever ...) obviously then there is somecausal 
variable that may explain the phenomenon and it would not bescientific to 
dismiss this clustering by taking the argument that majorityunder performs 
the market anyway.The real question is whether the hypothesis should be 
built on theunderperformance of the majority or on the outperformance of the 
minority(if it is strongly clustered)It is in this context that I 
would like you to look at the article whichtakes the hypothesis of the 
strongly clustered minority to find out ifmarkets are efficient. I strongly 
suggest that those interested in thisfield should at least read the 
article.RegardsKoushik- Original Message 
-From: "Alex Tabarrok" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 
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Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:42 PMSubject: Re: Securities 
analysis There are actually two issues 1) Is 
the market efficient? and 2) Can someone, using public information, 
systematically earn higher returns than those on a suitably 
risk-adjusted market basket? These 
issues are related but they are not the same. If the market is 
efficient the answer to the second question is certainly no. If 
the market is inefficient, however, it does not follow that the answer 
(in practice) to the second question is yes. Some types of 
inefficiencies such as two different prices for the same good can and 
will be eliminated through profitable arbitrage but when arbitrage is 
not possible eliminating market inefficiencies is risky. Even if 
you knew that X was a bubble, for example, you can short the stock but 
you then run the risk of the bubble flying much higher before it 
bursts. Essentially, the failure of Long Term Capital Management was 
precisely this problem - right theory but they ran out of capital before 
they could profit from the elimination of the 
inefficiency. In addition, we must also 
face the fact that if the market is inefficient due to investor 
irrationality it is very likely that we (yes, you and I) and our agents 
are also irrational in some respects. 
Thus if we care about issue 2 then pointing to bubbles of the past or 
arguing that people are irrational or greedy etc. misses the point. The 
real test of issue 2 is, Do portfolio managers/stock picking 
newsletters or other active strategies outperform a passive index 
strategy? And the answer to this question is a resounding NO. Taken 
as a group and taking into account transaction costs the active 
strategies actually *underperform* the indexing strategy. I don't 
know anyone who disputes this finding - note that whether this is 
because the market is efficient or portfolio managers are just as 
irrational as everyone else is open to question but not relevant to 
question 2. At any given time, of 
course, some portfolio managers beat the market but, again as a group, 
no more than you would expect by chance. Of course there are a few 
outliers, Warren Buffet and Templeton, for example. It's quite 
reasonable to mark these down as a chance but my own view is that there 
are a few geniuses out there and that Buffet is to stock picking what 
Michael Jordan was to basketball. I no more think that I could 
duplicate what Buffet does than I could duplicate what Michael Jordan 
does even if Jordan wrote a book explaining how he plays the game. 
(Indeed, careful observers of Buffet find that how his investing 
decisions cannot be explained soley by reference to his rules of 
investing.) Alex 
-- Dr. Alexander Tabarrok Vice President and Director of 
Research The Independent 

Re: Securities analysis

2002-04-01 Thread Koushik S

I think Mark Twain summed it up for technical analysis when he said Monday
is a bad day for speculation. The other bad days are Tuesday, Wednesday,
Thursday, Friday, Satruday and Sunday.

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Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 8:34 AM
Subject: Securities analysis


 Okay, since others have broached the subject of market volatility,
 what's everyone's opinion here on fundamental vs. technical analysis?
 (Maybe vs. is the the wrong connective to use here.  After all, they
 reflect different trading styles, no?)

 Cheers!

 Dan
 http://uweb.superlink.net/neptune/