Re: [Assam] Kamal Deka's Letter
Title: Re: [Assam] Kamal Deka's Letter He did not defined what is meant bu the 'system'. That is a 'fallacy' ? I learn something everyday. But Kamal's was indeed a 'FALSE REASONING' ( fallacy), what was your rationale in declaring: He is abosoluetely correct. We must blame the system. *** Do we know what we are talking about? At 10:02 PM -0600 11/17/05, Barua25 wrote: The fallacy in the opinionis this: He did not defined what is meant bu the 'system'. Kesu khandiboloi sesta korile, ason xap.tw wlai poribo. I explained this before. RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 12:36 PM Subject: [Assam] Kamal Deka's Letter Fellow Netters' Kj Deka's Letter to Sentinel of today. Makes a good argument, doesn't he ? Man after my own heart :-). cm ** System to be Blamed for Corruption? Defined simply, corruption is the misuse of public power for private profit. I guess, the human nature all over the world is essentially the same and most human beings will rob their country blind, given half a chance. Therefore, corruption is not the name of the third world disease. The Americans do it on a grander scale but do it suavely. However, it is an undeniable fact that the average citizen encounters more petty corruption in Assam than in any State of the USA. The assumption that the problem of corruption is solely tied to the coat tails of moral character is, perhaps, not true. If it is indeed the case that the corruption is the result of character flaws of the Assamese people, then it must be widely seen even when they are removed from their native system of governance. Strangely enough, one does not find that the Assamese in the USA, for instance, are perceived to be especially corrupt. If individuals with similar backgrounds appear to act differently within two different systems, would it not be proper to examine the difference in the two systems of governance, which may provide clues to the understanding of the difference in perceived corruption in Assam and in any of the fifty States of the USA? In my view, it is the system of governance in Assam that needs to be overhauled in order to bring the degree of corruption to the minimum. But then, why would they kill the goose that lays the golden egg of patronage and kickbacks? Kamaljit Deka Sugarland, Texas ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Kamal Deka's Letter
Title: Re: [Assam] Kamal Deka's Letter Let us hear what Chandan says about it. I will be pleased to explain. But only to those who are genuinely interested in understanding or learning. Don't bring the issue of sovereignty, Why? Does it cause heartburn? At 9:53 PM -0600 11/17/05, Barua25 wrote: For sake of Chandan: here is the simple explanation of my statement in simple English. To help him, I have inserted the phrases in. (Let us assume) He is absolutely correct. (In his assumption) We must blame the system (of governance). (Thus )USA system (of governance) is better than Indian system (of governance, since it a reported that there is more corruption in India than in the USA). In the same analogy though, within the Indian system we must blame the Assam state system (of governance)for Assam being more corrupt than other states (as has been reported widely in the press). Now all we need to find out why the Assam system (of governance) is inferior than other state system (within India). Eureka. Now we need to figure out why the Assam governance system if more corrupt than other states and who and how to fix it. Let us hear what Chandan says about it. Is GOI responsible for Assam governance being more corrupt. Or he denies that Assam governance is not more corrupt than other states. Is it the responsibility of the people of Assam or GOI to fix the Assam governance? Which one it is.? Don't bring the issue of sovereignty, Just answer the question. RB. - Original Message - From: Rajen Barua To: assam@assamnet.org ; Chan Mahanta Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Kamal Deka's Letter He is abosoluetely correct. We must blame the system. USA system is better than Indian system. In the same analogy though, within the Indian system we must bllame the Assam state system for Assam being more corrupt than other states. Now all we need to find out why the Assam system is inferrior than other state system. Ureka. RB. - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 12:36 PM Subject: [Assam] Kamal Deka's Letter Fellow Netters' Kj Deka's Letter to Sentinel of today. Makes a good argument, doesn't he ? Man after my own heart :-). cm ** System to be Blamed for Corruption? Defined simply, corruption is the misuse of public power for private profit. I guess, the human nature all over the world is essentially the same and most human beings will rob their country blind, given half a chance. Therefore, corruption is not the name of the third world disease. The Americans do it on a grander scale but do it suavely. However, it is an undeniable fact that the average citizen encounters more petty corruption in Assam than in any State of the USA. The assumption that the problem of corruption is solely tied to the coat tails of moral character is, perhaps, not true. If it is indeed the case that the corruption is the result of character flaws of the Assamese people, then it must be widely seen even when they are removed from their native system of governance. Strangely enough, one does not find that the Assamese in the USA, for instance, are perceived to be especially corrupt. If individuals with similar backgrounds appear to act differently within two different systems, would it not be proper to examine the difference in the two systems of governance, which may provide clues to the understanding of the difference in perceived corruption in Assam and in any of the fifty States of the USA? In my view, it is the system of governance in Assam that needs to be overhauled in order to bring the degree of corruption to the minimum. But then, why would they kill the goose that lays the golden egg of patronage and kickbacks? Kamaljit Deka Sugarland, Texas ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Kamal Deka's Letter
He is abosoluetely correct. We must blame the system. USA system is better than Indian system. In the same analogy though, within the Indian system we must bllame the Assam state system for Assam being more corrupt than other states. Now all we need to find out why the Assam system is inferrior than other state system. Ureka. RB. - Original Message - From: "Chan Mahanta" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 12:36 PM Subject: [Assam] Kamal Deka's Letter Fellow Netters' Kj Deka's Letter to Sentinel of today. Makes a good argument, doesn't he ? Man after my own heart :-). cm ** System to be Blamed for Corruption? Defined simply, corruption is the misuse of public power for private profit. I guess, the human nature all over the world is essentially the same and most human beings will rob their country blind, given half a chance. Therefore, corruption is not the name of the third world disease. The Americans do it on a grander scale but do it suavely. However, it is an undeniable fact that the average citizen encounters more petty corruption in Assam than in any State of the USA. The assumption that the problem of corruption is solely tied to the coat tails of moral character is, perhaps, not true. If it is indeed the case that the corruption is the result of character flaws of the Assamese people, then it must be widely seen even when they are removed from their native system of governance. Strangely enough, one does not find that the Assamese in the USA, for instance, are perceived to be especially corrupt. If individuals with similar backgrounds appear to act differently within two different systems, would it not be proper to examine the difference in the two systems of governance, which may provide clues to the understanding of the difference in perceived corruption in Assam and in any of the fifty States of the USA? In my view, it is the system of governance in Assam that needs to be overhauled in order to bring the degree of corruption to the minimum. But then, why would they kill the goose that lays the golden egg of patronage and kickbacks? Kamaljit Deka Sugarland, Texas ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Kamal Deka's Letter
Title: Re: [Assam] Kamal Deka's Letter At 1:20 PM -0600 11/17/05, Rajen Barua wrote: He is abosoluetely correct. We must blame the system. *** Would you like to see me post here what your previous contention was on this matter :-)? Did you not assert, in fact argue vif gorousy, that NOTHING was the matter wit the system, that it was the people who are at fault. Did you not argue that the problem was with the moral fiber of the people? USA system is better than Indian system. Really? How? Can you please explain ? In the same analogy though, within the Indian system we must bllame the Assam state system for Assam being more corrupt than other states. Same analogy? What SAME analogy? And who says Assam is MORE corrupt than some other state? Is it info. you are privy to? Or are you parroting another set of Indian statistics, without having a clue what those statistics are based on, the qualification of the compilers of those stats, and the quality of the data used to come up with the conclusions? And EVEN if it is true that Assam is MORE corrupt than everyone else, what would YOUR recommendation be in making it LESS corrupt? How would BLAMING help , if it is expected to, as you imply? If blaming helps, how come India has been unable to reduce its corruption even with all the blaming going on for decades? Finally what is your recommendations on punishment for the people of Assam, upon whom you have rendered the judgement of being MORE CORRUPT than the rest of India? Deny them sovereignty? But the commentary makes interesting reading.Political Science is the richer for these :-). Now all we need to find out why the Assam system is inferrior than other state system. Ureka. RB. - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 12:36 PM Subject: [Assam] Kamal Deka's Letter Fellow Netters' Kj Deka's Letter to Sentinel of today. Makes a good argument, doesn't he ? Man after my own heart :-). cm ** System to be Blamed for Corruption? Defined simply, corruption is the misuse of public power for private profit. I guess, the human nature all over the world is essentially the same and most human beings will rob their country blind, given half a chance. Therefore, corruption is not the name of the third world disease. The Americans do it on a grander scale but do it suavely. However, it is an undeniable fact that the average citizen encounters more petty corruption in Assam than in any State of the USA. The assumption that the problem of corruption is solely tied to the coat tails of moral character is, perhaps, not true. If it is indeed the case that the corruption is the result of character flaws of the Assamese people, then it must be widely seen even when they are removed from their native system of governance. Strangely enough, one does not find that the Assamese in the USA, for instance, are perceived to be especially corrupt. If individuals with similar backgrounds appear to act differently within two different systems, would it not be proper to examine the difference in the two systems of governance, which may provide clues to the understanding of the difference in perceived corruption in Assam and in any of the fifty States of the USA? In my view, it is the system of governance in Assam that needs to be overhauled in order to bring the degree of corruption to the minimum. But then, why would they kill the goose that lays the golden egg of patronage and kickbacks? Kamaljit Deka Sugarland, Texas ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Kamal Deka's Letter
Title: Re: [Assam] Kamal Deka's Letter Looks like I will have to explain it again in plain English. Look at my other message with explanation. RB - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Rajen Barua ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Kamal Deka's Letter At 1:20 PM -0600 11/17/05, Rajen Barua wrote: He is abosoluetely correct. We must blame the system. *** Would you like to see me post here what your previous contention was on this matter :-)? Did you not assert, in fact argue vif gorousy, that NOTHING was the matter wit the system, that it was the people who are at fault. Did you not argue that the problem was with the moral fiber of the people? USA system is better than Indian system. Really? How? Can you please explain ? In the same analogy though, within the Indian system we must bllame the Assam state system for Assam being more corrupt than other states. Same analogy? What SAME analogy? And who says Assam is MORE corrupt than some other state? Is it info. you are privy to? Or are you parroting another set of Indian statistics, without having a clue what those statistics are based on, the qualification of the compilers of those stats, and the quality of the data used to come up with the conclusions? And EVEN if it is true that Assam is MORE corrupt than everyone else, what would YOUR recommendation be in making it LESS corrupt? How would BLAMING help , if it is expected to, as you imply? If blaming helps, how come India has been unable to reduce its corruption even with all the blaming going on for decades? Finally what is your recommendations on punishment for the people of Assam, upon whom you have rendered the judgement of being MORE CORRUPT than the rest of India? Deny them sovereignty? But the commentary makes interesting reading.Political Science is the richer for these :-). Now all we need to find out why the Assam system is inferrior than other state system. Ureka. RB. - Original Message - From: "Chan Mahanta" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 12:36 PM Subject: [Assam] Kamal Deka's Letter Fellow Netters' Kj Deka's Letter to Sentinel of today. Makes a good argument, doesn't he ? Man after my own heart :-). cm ** System to be Blamed for Corruption? Defined simply, corruption is the misuse of public power for private profit. I guess, the human nature all over the world is essentially the same and most human beings will rob their country blind, given half a chance. Therefore, corruption is not the name of the third world disease. The Americans do it on a grander scale but do it suavely. However, it is an undeniable fact that the average citizen encounters more petty corruption in Assam than in any State of the USA. The assumption that the problem of corruption is solely tied to the coat tails of moral character is, perhaps, not true. If it is indeed the case that the corruption is the result of character flaws of the Assamese people, then it must be widely seen even when they are removed from their native system of governance. Strangely enough, one does not find that the Assamese in the USA, for instance, are perceived to be especially corrupt. If individuals with similar backgrounds appear to act differently within two different systems, would it not be proper to examine the difference in the two systems of governance, which may provide clues to the understanding of the difference in perceived corruption in Assam and in any of the fifty States of the USA? In my view, it is the system of governance in Assam that needs to be overhauled in order to bring the degree of corruption to the minimum. But then, why would they kill the goose that lays the golden egg of patronage and kickbacks? Kamaljit Deka Sugarland, Texas ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Kamal Deka's Letter
For sake of Chandan: here is the simple explanation of my statement in simple English. To help him, I have inserted the phrases in. (Let us assume) He is absolutely correct. (In his assumption) We must blame the system (of governance). (Thus )USA system (of governance) is better than Indian system (of governance, since it a reported that there is more corruption in India than in the USA). In the same analogy though, within the Indian system we must blame the Assam state system (of governance)for Assam being more corrupt than other states (as has been reported widely in the press). Now all we need to find out why the Assam system (of governance) is inferior than other state system (within India). Eureka. Now we need to figure out why the Assam governance system if more corrupt than other states and who and how to fix it. Let us hear what Chandan says about it. Is GOI responsible for Assam governance being more corrupt. Or he denies that Assam governance is not more corrupt than other states. Is it the responsibility of the people of Assam or GOI to fix the Assam governance? Which one it is.? Don't bring the issue of sovereignty, Just answer the question. RB. - Original Message - From: Rajen Barua To: assam@assamnet.org ; Chan Mahanta Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Kamal Deka's Letter He is abosoluetely correct. We must blame the system. USA system is better than Indian system. In the same analogy though, within the Indian system we must bllame the Assam state system for Assam being more corrupt than other states. Now all we need to find out why the Assam system is inferrior than other state system. Ureka. RB. - Original Message - From: "Chan Mahanta" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 12:36 PM Subject: [Assam] Kamal Deka's Letter Fellow Netters' Kj Deka's Letter to Sentinel of today. Makes a good argument, doesn't he ? Man after my own heart :-). cm ** System to be Blamed for Corruption? Defined simply, corruption is the misuse of public power for private profit. I guess, the human nature all over the world is essentially the same and most human beings will rob their country blind, given half a chance. Therefore, corruption is not the name of the third world disease. The Americans do it on a grander scale but do it suavely. However, it is an undeniable fact that the average citizen encounters more petty corruption in Assam than in any State of the USA. The assumption that the problem of corruption is solely tied to the coat tails of moral character is, perhaps, not true. If it is indeed the case that the corruption is the result of character flaws of the Assamese people, then it must be widely seen even when they are removed from their native system of governance. Strangely enough, one does not find that the Assamese in the USA, for instance, are perceived to be especially corrupt. If individuals with similar backgrounds appear to act differently within two different systems, would it not be proper to examine the difference in the two systems of governance, which may provide clues to the understanding of the difference in perceived corruption in Assam and in any of the fifty States of the USA? In my view, it is the system of governance in Assam that needs to be overhauled in order to bring the degree of corruption to the minimum. But then, why would they kill the goose that lays the golden egg of patronage and kickbacks? Kamaljit Deka Sugarland, Texas ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Kamal Deka's Letter
The fallacy in the opinionis this: He did not defined what is meant bu the 'system'. Kesu khandiboloi sesta korile, ason xap.tw wlai poribo. I explained this before. RB - Original Message - From: "Chan Mahanta" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 12:36 PM Subject: [Assam] Kamal Deka's Letter Fellow Netters' Kj Deka's Letter to Sentinel of today. Makes a good argument, doesn't he ? Man after my own heart :-). cm ** System to be Blamed for Corruption? Defined simply, corruption is the misuse of public power for private profit. I guess, the human nature all over the world is essentially the same and most human beings will rob their country blind, given half a chance. Therefore, corruption is not the name of the third world disease. The Americans do it on a grander scale but do it suavely. However, it is an undeniable fact that the average citizen encounters more petty corruption in Assam than in any State of the USA. The assumption that the problem of corruption is solely tied to the coat tails of moral character is, perhaps, not true. If it is indeed the case that the corruption is the result of character flaws of the Assamese people, then it must be widely seen even when they are removed from their native system of governance. Strangely enough, one does not find that the Assamese in the USA, for instance, are perceived to be especially corrupt. If individuals with similar backgrounds appear to act differently within two different systems, would it not be proper to examine the difference in the two systems of governance, which may provide clues to the understanding of the difference in perceived corruption in Assam and in any of the fifty States of the USA? In my view, it is the system of governance in Assam that needs to be overhauled in order to bring the degree of corruption to the minimum. But then, why would they kill the goose that lays the golden egg of patronage and kickbacks? Kamaljit Deka Sugarland, Texas ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
