Re: [Assp-user] Do you have multiple ASSP installs on same public IP?
Eric B. wrote:
I don't expect you will find several (if any) installations of ASSP on the
same IP. I would expect any multiple installations all to be running on
separate to be using multi-homed adapters. Would you be retrieving the IP
from the packet upload, or are you expecting to have the IP address in the
actual data payload? If you are looking to extract the IP address from the
uploads, I can definitely anticipate problems with admins who are using
multi-homed machines, as they would all seem to be coming from the same IP.
The ip address is retrieved when the data is uploaded, though not part
of the data upload itself, but rather retrieved from the connection
using '$ENV{REMOTE_ADDR}' in the script that receives the upload.
I'm asking this question precisely because I am wondering if any admins
are running installs with methods such as mutli-homed servers and what
percentage of the install base do they represent.
However, that being said, I can anticipate privacy concerns with stats being
associated with specific IPs. Especially in the world of Spam, the last
thing admins would want is having knowledge about the efficiency (or
inefficiency) of your email to accept/reject spam.
This is precisely why the stats reporting can be turned off at the
admins discretion. ASSP does not in any way force anyone to report stats
to the database, it is completely voluntary.
I'm also documenting what data is recorded and plan on posting a summary
in a wiki article for anyone who has questions, there are a few stats
recorded that are not displayed on the page at the moment.
A different approach / suggestion would be to have a GUID per installation -
ie: gets created upon installation of ASSP. The catch would be to make sure
that when duplicating ASSP installations that the GUID is not retained (the
user would have to know/remember to delete it from the cfg file before
launching the new install). I did a quick search on the net for a GUID
module for Perl, but couldn't find anything that seemed appropriate. So I'm
not entirely sure the best way to come up with one, but I'm thinking that
maybe the timestamp combined with a random number seeded with the machine's
MAC could be unique enough for this? Apparently there is a Net-MAC module
for Perl that gives you access to the MAC (haven't tried it yet - just saw
it on CPAN).
I was trying to avoid anything that involves the ASSP core code, using
the IP is already available and I'm pretty sure it's not going to break.
If i was going to do a has I was thinking of some sort of hash sequence
using (machine_ip+current_time+assp_version) to create an MD5 hash,
probably also going through an SHA1 step and splitting the string and
other steps to further randomize the hash. It would want it to be random
and not to convey any info about the install OTHER than it's uniqueness.
Make sense?
Phew..ok done.
Kevin
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Re: [Assp-user] Do you have multiple ASSP installs on same public IP?
The ip address is retrieved when the data is uploaded, though not
part
of the data upload itself, but rather retrieved from the connection
using '$ENV{REMOTE_ADDR}' in the script that receives the upload.
I'm asking this question precisely because I am wondering if any
admins
are running installs with methods such as mutli-homed servers and
what
percentage of the install base do they represent.
Stay with the ip-method. Ignore the few.
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[Assp-user] Do you have multiple ASSP installs on same public IP?
I'm currently re-working the statistics page/sql queries. I need some way to uniquely identify each ASSP install in order for the stats to be at least somewhat valid, the IP address would be the easiest and quickest way to do this but it would cause inconsistencies if there are multiple installs on the same public IP. So tell me. Do you have multiple ASSP servers on the same public ip? Is this something I should worry about? Kevin - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Assp-user mailing list Assp-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/assp-user
Re: [Assp-user] Do you have multiple ASSP installs on same public IP?
Maybe each assp install that uses the stats list can register and grab a unique hash that it will always use to identify itself. That way we don't capture ip's, but assp uses a unique hash as an indentifier just for stats uniqueness. That should help maintain anonimity, oi? -- ME2 (mobile) -Original Message- From: Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, Jan 10, 2007 8:59 pm Subject: [Assp-user] Do you have multiple ASSP installs on same public IP? I'm currently re-working the statistics page/sql queries. I need some way to uniquely identify each ASSP install in order for the stats to be at least somewhat valid, the IP address would be the easiest and quickest way to do this but it would cause inconsistencies if there are multiple installs on the same public IP. So tell me. Do you have multiple ASSP servers on the same public ip? Is this something I should worry about? Kevin - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.tec - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Assp-user mailing list Assp-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/assp-user
Re: [Assp-user] Do you have multiple ASSP installs on same public IP?
PS. Someone tried to unlock the asspsmtp.org domain. We might be due for an attack. -- ME2 (mobile) -Original Message- From: Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, Jan 10, 2007 8:59 pm Subject: [Assp-user] Do you have multiple ASSP installs on same public IP? I'm currently re-working the statistics page/sql queries. I need some way to uniquely identify each ASSP install in order for the stats to be at least somewhat valid, the IP address would be the easiest and quickest way to do this but it would cause inconsistencies if there are multiple installs on the same public IP. So tell me. Do you have multiple ASSP servers on the same public ip? Is this something I should worry about? Kevin - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.tec - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Assp-user mailing list Assp-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/assp-user
Re: [Assp-user] Do you have multiple ASSP installs on same public IP?
Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm currently re-working the statistics page/sql queries. I need some way to uniquely identify each ASSP install in order for the stats to be at least somewhat valid, the IP address would be the easiest and quickest way to do this but it would cause inconsistencies if there are multiple installs on the same public IP. So tell me. Do you have multiple ASSP servers on the same public ip? Is this something I should worry about? I don't expect you will find several (if any) installations of ASSP on the same IP. I would expect any multiple installations all to be running on separate to be using multi-homed adapters. Would you be retrieving the IP from the packet upload, or are you expecting to have the IP address in the actual data payload? If you are looking to extract the IP address from the uploads, I can definitely anticipate problems with admins who are using multi-homed machines, as they would all seem to be coming from the same IP. However, that being said, I can anticipate privacy concerns with stats being associated with specific IPs. Especially in the world of Spam, the last thing admins would want is having knowledge about the efficiency (or inefficiency) of your email to accept/reject spam. A different approach / suggestion would be to have a GUID per installation - ie: gets created upon installation of ASSP. The catch would be to make sure that when duplicating ASSP installations that the GUID is not retained (the user would have to know/remember to delete it from the cfg file before launching the new install). I did a quick search on the net for a GUID module for Perl, but couldn't find anything that seemed appropriate. So I'm not entirely sure the best way to come up with one, but I'm thinking that maybe the timestamp combined with a random number seeded with the machine's MAC could be unique enough for this? Apparently there is a Net-MAC module for Perl that gives you access to the MAC (haven't tried it yet - just saw it on CPAN). My 2cents, Eric - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Assp-user mailing list Assp-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/assp-user
