Re: [on-asterisk] Asterisk 1 Gigabit Internet.
Okay, well perhaps I was a little too hard on the CRTC but the limited amount of competition in this industry is the main reason we don't have low cost bandwidth and services that give the consumer what the want. Henry n Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 11:50 PM, Bruce N het...@hotmail.com wrote: I think Cogeco is the only provider who comes close to what you might want but they operate more to the west of Toronto (I mean cities west of Toronto). 50Mbps download - Upload unknown - I haven't tested it though but $99 sounds fine. http://www.cogeco.ca/cable/on/en/residential/internet/hsi/explore_hsi.html -Bruce Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 10:51:10 -0600 From: j...@johnlange.ca To: asterisk@uc.org Subject: Re: [on-asterisk] Asterisk 1 Gigabit Internet. The root problem is lack of competition. We have no competition because under our foreign ownership regime, Canada does not allow any. Unfortunately the CRTC are not helping matters, their board consists of ex Bell and Cable people who are very conservative; to the point of choking off any competition before is viable. I'm not a big fan of the CRTC for a lot of reasons but on this particular issue I always feel I have to defend them. The fact is, the CRTC was taking steps to increase competition and one of the first things the Conservatives did when they came to power in 2007 was order them to stop. Here is a nice little article in an archive that explains just how ticked off the bureaucrats at the CRTC were at the Conservatives (conform or quit): http://www.pugetsoundradio.com/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?v-print/m-1170784107/ And an original story from the CBC that explains what the government did and how happy the incumbents were: http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/2006/06/13/crtc.html The Conservatives have also not lifted the foreign ownership restrictions in Telecom despite several bi-partisan reports that recommended they do so. As recently as this November, Tony Clement announced they would not be allowing competition (foreign owned companies) in Canadian Telecom any time soon. So on this one, it's squarely in the hands of the politicians, not the CRTC. Not to promote my own blog on this list but I've written extensively on competition, deregulation and the CRTC including a whole post on the favorite Canadian sport of bashing the CRTC for everything: http://www.johnlange.ca/2008/07/16/apparently-the-crtc-is-to-blame-for-everything/ -- John Lange www.johnlange.ca - To unsubscribe, e-mail: asterisk-unsubscr...@uc.org For additional commands, e-mail: asterisk-h...@uc.org -- *Henry L. Coleman * ***Per: VoIP-PBX.ca * * *
Re: [on-asterisk] Asterisk 1 Gigabit Internet.
Has anyone in the group installed their own DSLAMs to provide DSL services and could comment on pricing to do so? I suspect the cost of internet bandwidth is pretty low. The cost is probably on deploying last mile access that is expansive. And then there's maintenance of copper loops, My point is I don't think the cost of bandwidth is high, but the cost to deliver it is very high in Canada considering all the distance we need to cover to connect everyone. Our cities are not as dense as Asian cities or European cities. Don't take my words on it, but I would like to see someone who has the experience in this field to comment on the cost to deploy high speed access. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! Stephan Monette Unlimitel Inc. Tel.: 1-877-464-6638 Fax: (613) 482-1077 On 2010-12-22, at 9:56 AM, Henry Coleman wrote: Okay, well perhaps I was a little too hard on the CRTC but the limited amount of competition in this industry is the main reason we don't have low cost bandwidth and services that give the consumer what the want. Henry n Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 11:50 PM, Bruce N het...@hotmail.com wrote: I think Cogeco is the only provider who comes close to what you might want but they operate more to the west of Toronto (I mean cities west of Toronto). 50Mbps download - Upload unknown - I haven't tested it though but $99 sounds fine. http://www.cogeco.ca/cable/on/en/residential/internet/hsi/explore_hsi.html -Bruce Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 10:51:10 -0600 From: j...@johnlange.ca To: asterisk@uc.org Subject: Re: [on-asterisk] Asterisk 1 Gigabit Internet. The root problem is lack of competition. We have no competition because under our foreign ownership regime, Canada does not allow any. Unfortunately the CRTC are not helping matters, their board consists of ex Bell and Cable people who are very conservative; to the point of choking off any competition before is viable. I'm not a big fan of the CRTC for a lot of reasons but on this particular issue I always feel I have to defend them. The fact is, the CRTC was taking steps to increase competition and one of the first things the Conservatives did when they came to power in 2007 was order them to stop. Here is a nice little article in an archive that explains just how ticked off the bureaucrats at the CRTC were at the Conservatives (conform or quit): http://www.pugetsoundradio.com/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?v-print/m-1170784107/ And an original story from the CBC that explains what the government did and how happy the incumbents were: http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/2006/06/13/crtc.html The Conservatives have also not lifted the foreign ownership restrictions in Telecom despite several bi-partisan reports that recommended they do so. As recently as this November, Tony Clement announced they would not be allowing competition (foreign owned companies) in Canadian Telecom any time soon. So on this one, it's squarely in the hands of the politicians, not the CRTC. Not to promote my own blog on this list but I've written extensively on competition, deregulation and the CRTC including a whole post on the favorite Canadian sport of bashing the CRTC for everything: http://www.johnlange.ca/2008/07/16/apparently-the-crtc-is-to-blame-for-everything/ -- John Lange www.johnlange.ca - To unsubscribe, e-mail: asterisk-unsubscr...@uc.org For additional commands, e-mail: asterisk-h...@uc.org -- *Henry L. Coleman * ***Per: VoIP-PBX.ca * * * - To unsubscribe, e-mail: asterisk-unsubscr...@uc.org For additional commands, e-mail: asterisk-h...@uc.org
Re: [on-asterisk] Bell Canada has paid a $1.3 million penalty for violating the National Do Not Call List Rules
I think this is just a case of farming out this part of their business to third party partners. If you don't control these companies they can cut corners (in order to save costs). I hope that Bell have cancelled this third parties contract. Henry On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Simon P. Ditner si...@uc.org wrote: I wonder if they used the opt-out list as their dialing list -- since no one else should be calling them, they'd have the upper hand ;-) On 21 December 2010 11:41, Peter MacFarlane pmac...@eastlink.ca wrote: Well, it made the national CBC news this AM. Now people are calling for something better than the NDNCL, since it obviously isn't working. Peter MacFarlane On 10-12-20 09:55 PM, Ivan Kovacevic wrote: The ultimate irony is that Bell is the operator of the Canadian NDNCL. http://www.bell.ca/enterprise/EntNews_Press_200802.page as per the press release: Bell will design, develop, implement and operate the National DNCL to: * Accept consumer registrations of telephone numbers on the DNCL * Make the DNCL available to telemarketers and collect related fees, and * Register consumer complaints about telemarketing Best Regards, Ivan Kovacevic Star Telecom | www.startelecom.ca | i...@startelecom.ca T: +14164790325 x205 | C: +14168350532 | F: +14166195403 -Original Message- From: Ian Darwin [mailto:i...@darwinsys.com] Sent: December-20-10 8:50 PM To: John Lange Cc: asterisk Mailing Subject: Re: [on-asterisk] Bell Canada has paid a $1.3 million penalty for violating the National Do Not Call List Rules On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 04:32:09PM -0600, John Lange wrote: I guess this isn't really on topic but still; Wow. http://crtc.gc.ca/eng/com100/2010/r101220.htm Sounds like small change for them. We got a bunch of calls claiming to be from Bell advertising services, but we just hung up on them. Glad the CRTC has made them hang up this practice, for now at least. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: asterisk-unsubscr...@uc.org For additional commands, e-mail: asterisk-h...@uc.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: asterisk-unsubscr...@uc.org For additional commands, e-mail: asterisk-h...@uc.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: asterisk-unsubscr...@uc.org For additional commands, e-mail: asterisk-h...@uc.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: asterisk-unsubscr...@uc.org For additional commands, e-mail: asterisk-h...@uc.org -- *Henry L. Coleman * ***Per: VoIP-PBX.ca * * *
Re: [on-asterisk] Backup and Restore
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Henry Coleman
henry.cole...@voip-pbx.cawrote:
Hi John, thanks for getting back to me.
I made the changes as you suggested. and things are looking much better.
It's a bit like the old shell game first you see it then you don't
so here is the current status:
Booting up ... There are no reported errors re: chown
without the USB stick thing work as normal ie backup and restore in backup
directory etc.
Inserting the stick and refreshing the GUI page shows the new directory
structure on the USB stick.
However after a backup they get saved to the HD directory instead
Unplugging the USB stick does not restore the original HD directory, only a
reboot does this.
Thank you for your time on this, I think backup strategies would be a great
topic for TAUG meeting.
Can you do one?
Henry
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 2:42 PM, John Lange j...@johnlange.ca wrote:
Henry, sorry for the slow reply. Hopefully you solved this already but
if not, the area of the udev file that you need to modify is:
$env{mount_options},utf8,gid=100,umask=002
Change gid= to the value of the group you want the file system to be
mounted and owned as and also add uid= and set it to the user id
that matches your asterisk user.
You can discover these values with the command:
# id asterisk
I haven't tested this myself but that should solve your problem.
John
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Henry Coleman
henry.cole...@voip-pbx.ca wrote:
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Henry Coleman
henry.cole...@voip-pbx.ca
wrote:
Hi John, I didn't mean to be critical about any typo's, I was replying
to
a post that thought relatime was
mis-spelled, anyway this was not the case (as you know).
You are correct, simply commenting out that line works, and the freepbx
GUI is able to see the mounted USB directory.
If I make a backup it doesn't create a file on the device and if I
remove
the stick it does not see the original directory
If I reboot the machine (without the stick) then it restores the
original
file structure back to normal.
I think this is a very close to a great solution for many Asterisk
followers but the coding is way over my pay grade.
Thanks Henry
After checking some stuff one problem may have to do with permissions:
File backups in /var/lib/asterisk/backups/xxx... have the owner as
asterisk while the stick has the owner of the directory
as root. I will attempt to change this but I could use some help.
Thanks again Henry
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 1:59 PM, John Lange j...@johnlange.ca wrote:
If I understand what you are saying; even though you commented out the
entire line with the relatime option, you are still getting the same
mount
error when you insert the USB stick?
When you change the udev rules, udev should automatically re-read the
options, but just in case it doesn't, you can issue:
# udevadm control --reload-rules
(I'm not 100% sure that command exists in centos though...)
If that has all been done properly then it seems impossible that you
are
still getting the same error...
When you remove the drive, is it unmounted (check at the command line
using
the 'mount' command).
And what typo are you referring to? I don't amke typos! ;)
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RE: [on-asterisk] Asterisk 1 Gigabit Internet.
We have done it in selected areas. It's not cheap to deploy and/or operate. It is about $125k per Bell CO by the time you deploy an initial DSLAM with limited configuration (ie not fully loaded). We have 4 of them done Oshawa Toronto - Adelaide Toronto - Simcoe Toronto - Asquith We will be doing 3 or 4 more next year. One of the bigger costs that people don't realize is the backhaul from the CO back to our network at 151 Front (or wherever). Backhaul is expensive. The other problem is that because of the ever expanding use of remotes, the number of customers that can be served from remotes is going down. In a suburban central office like Oshawa we can get to about 25% of the population from the CO. In an a dense urban CO like the 3 downtown Toronto COs we are in we can get to about 65%. The other advantage is that when we can reach the customer from the CO we can use ADSL2+ including Annex M or if customers really need it we can do SDSL at up to 5.7 Mbps per pair. Bill -Original Message- From: Stephan Monette [mailto:monet...@unlimitel.ca] Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 10:09 AM To: Henry Coleman Cc: TAUG Technical Subject: Re: [on-asterisk] Asterisk 1 Gigabit Internet. Has anyone in the group installed their own DSLAMs to provide DSL services and could comment on pricing to do so? I suspect the cost of internet bandwidth is pretty low. The cost is probably on deploying last mile access that is expansive. And then there's maintenance of copper loops, My point is I don't think the cost of bandwidth is high, but the cost to deliver it is very high in Canada considering all the distance we need to cover to connect everyone. Our cities are not as dense as Asian cities or European cities. Don't take my words on it, but I would like to see someone who has the experience in this field to comment on the cost to deploy high speed access. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! Stephan Monette Unlimitel Inc. Tel.: 1-877-464-6638 Fax: (613) 482-1077 On 2010-12-22, at 9:56 AM, Henry Coleman wrote: Okay, well perhaps I was a little too hard on the CRTC but the limited amount of competition in this industry is the main reason we don't have low cost bandwidth and services that give the consumer what the want. Henry n Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 11:50 PM, Bruce N het...@hotmail.com wrote: I think Cogeco is the only provider who comes close to what you might want but they operate more to the west of Toronto (I mean cities west of Toronto). 50Mbps download - Upload unknown - I haven't tested it though but $99 sounds fine. http://www.cogeco.ca/cable/on/en/residential/internet/hsi/explore_hsi.h tml -Bruce Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 10:51:10 -0600 From: j...@johnlange.ca To: asterisk@uc.org Subject: Re: [on-asterisk] Asterisk 1 Gigabit Internet. The root problem is lack of competition. We have no competition because under our foreign ownership regime, Canada does not allow any. Unfortunately the CRTC are not helping matters, their board consists of ex Bell and Cable people who are very conservative; to the point of choking off any competition before is viable. I'm not a big fan of the CRTC for a lot of reasons but on this particular issue I always feel I have to defend them. The fact is, the CRTC was taking steps to increase competition and one of the first things the Conservatives did when they came to power in 2007 was order them to stop. Here is a nice little article in an archive that explains just how ticked off the bureaucrats at the CRTC were at the Conservatives (conform or quit): http://www.pugetsoundradio.com/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?v-print/m- 1170784107/ And an original story from the CBC that explains what the government did and how happy the incumbents were: http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/2006/06/13/crtc.html The Conservatives have also not lifted the foreign ownership restrictions in Telecom despite several bi-partisan reports that recommended they do so. As recently as this November, Tony Clement announced they would not be allowing competition (foreign owned companies) in Canadian Telecom any time soon. So on this one, it's squarely in the hands of the politicians, not the CRTC. Not to promote my own blog on this list but I've written extensively on competition, deregulation and the CRTC including a whole post on the favorite Canadian sport of bashing the CRTC for everything: http://www.johnlange.ca/2008/07/16/apparently-the-crtc-is-to-blame- for-everything/ -- John Lange www.johnlange.ca --- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: asterisk-unsubscr...@uc.org For additional commands, e-mail: asterisk-h...@uc.org -- *Henry L. Coleman * ***Per: VoIP-PBX.ca * * *
Re: [on-asterisk] Asterisk 1 Gigabit Internet.
My experience is about ten years old. I was working for Global Telesys (GTS). We leased a lot of dark fiber though-out Russia. Telco's were flush with investment money. Regulations were non-existent and a little sweetener here and there got permission from local officials to run the cables through someone's sitting room if required. In a regulated and open society (Canada) it is much more difficult to build infrastructure, planning permission, surveys, political considerations, SLAs all contribute to the cost and time needed to build large projects. Henry PS.. A merry Christmas and happy new year to the TAUG On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Stephan Monette monet...@unlimitel.cawrote: Has anyone in the group installed their own DSLAMs to provide DSL services and could comment on pricing to do so? I suspect the cost of internet bandwidth is pretty low. The cost is probably on deploying last mile access that is expansive. And then there's maintenance of copper loops, My point is I don't think the cost of bandwidth is high, but the cost to deliver it is very high in Canada considering all the distance we need to cover to connect everyone. Our cities are not as dense as Asian cities or European cities. Don't take my words on it, but I would like to see someone who has the experience in this field to comment on the cost to deploy high speed access. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! Stephan Monette Unlimitel Inc. Tel.: 1-877-464-6638 Fax: (613) 482-1077 On 2010-12-22, at 9:56 AM, Henry Coleman wrote: Okay, well perhaps I was a little too hard on the CRTC but the limited amount of competition in this industry is the main reason we don't have low cost bandwidth and services that give the consumer what the want. Henry n Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 11:50 PM, Bruce N het...@hotmail.com wrote: I think Cogeco is the only provider who comes close to what you might want but they operate more to the west of Toronto (I mean cities west of Toronto). 50Mbps download - Upload unknown - I haven't tested it though but $99 sounds fine. http://www.cogeco.ca/cable/on/en/residential/internet/hsi/explore_hsi.html -Bruce Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 10:51:10 -0600 From: j...@johnlange.ca To: asterisk@uc.org Subject: Re: [on-asterisk] Asterisk 1 Gigabit Internet. The root problem is lack of competition. We have no competition because under our foreign ownership regime, Canada does not allow any. Unfortunately the CRTC are not helping matters, their board consists of ex Bell and Cable people who are very conservative; to the point of choking off any competition before is viable. I'm not a big fan of the CRTC for a lot of reasons but on this particular issue I always feel I have to defend them. The fact is, the CRTC was taking steps to increase competition and one of the first things the Conservatives did when they came to power in 2007 was order them to stop. Here is a nice little article in an archive that explains just how ticked off the bureaucrats at the CRTC were at the Conservatives (conform or quit): http://www.pugetsoundradio.com/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?v-print/m-1170784107/ And an original story from the CBC that explains what the government did and how happy the incumbents were: http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/2006/06/13/crtc.html The Conservatives have also not lifted the foreign ownership restrictions in Telecom despite several bi-partisan reports that recommended they do so. As recently as this November, Tony Clement announced they would not be allowing competition (foreign owned companies) in Canadian Telecom any time soon. So on this one, it's squarely in the hands of the politicians, not the CRTC. Not to promote my own blog on this list but I've written extensively on competition, deregulation and the CRTC including a whole post on the favorite Canadian sport of bashing the CRTC for everything: http://www.johnlange.ca/2008/07/16/apparently-the-crtc-is-to-blame-for-everything/ -- John Lange www.johnlange.ca - To unsubscribe, e-mail: asterisk-unsubscr...@uc.org For additional commands, e-mail: asterisk-h...@uc.org -- *Henry L. Coleman * ***Per: VoIP-PBX.ca * * * -- *Henry L. Coleman * ***Per: VoIP-PBX.ca * * *
Re: [on-asterisk] Cisco gear
The SPA 942 is a great little phone and works very well with Asterisk Henry On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Simon P. Ditner si...@uc.org wrote: They're also discontinued. The 5xx series replaced them, and are a bit more expensive with a sturdier build, but essentially the same firmware running inside them. On 21 December 2010 11:00, Julian Dunn julian.d...@cbc.ca wrote: I use the SPA-941 and 942 in my home setup and they were very easy to provision. The sound quality is excellent. They are definitely more affordable than Cisco-branded phones. - Julian TAUG subscriber t...@fubutel.net 21/12/2010 10:34 AM Hey just wondering if anybody has an opinion about which Cisco phones and PoE switches work well with asterisk? A new client recently got a grant from Cisco for gear and we're wanting to use it for equipment, but I have little experience with Cisco beyond the 7940G, which was rather awkward to get going to say the least. What about the SPA gear which I think is from the Linksys days. any easier to use and live with? Thanks, Erik. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: asterisk-unsubscr...@uc.org For additional commands, e-mail: asterisk-h...@uc.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: asterisk-unsubscr...@uc.org For additional commands, e-mail: asterisk-h...@uc.org -- *Henry L. Coleman * ***Per: VoIP-PBX.ca * * *
Re: [on-asterisk] Asterisk 1 Gigabit Internet.
Bill, couple of follow up questions. Is it true that the co-location charges for locating the DSLAM at the CO are very high? When you say backhaul, are you talking about the connection from your DSLAM back to your network? I had heard that ILECs are increasingly building fibre to the pedestal and locating there DSLAMs there to reduce the length of the copper and increase speeds. Doesn't this effectively eliminate your ability to compete since you aren't allowed to do the same? -- John Lange www.johnlange.ca - To unsubscribe, e-mail: asterisk-unsubscr...@uc.org For additional commands, e-mail: asterisk-h...@uc.org
RE: [on-asterisk] Asterisk 1 Gigabit Internet.
John: The actual monthly co-location charges in the Bell CO for space are very affordable. Monthly charges for power is reasonable (could be better), setup costs of the power are ridiculous ($15k plus for 30amps of DC power). The big cost is the exorbitant fees they charge just to setup your colo area. For example $20,000 of project management fees, $2,000 for a fluorescent light fixture (x3), $1,500 for an AC plug to be used for test gear only, etc, etc, etc. For backhaul, yes that is what I'm talking about. The cost to get from the Bell CO back to our network. As for your last point, yes you are correct. That is what I was talking about when I referred to only being able to reach approximately 25% of our target market from the CO. Regards, Bill -Original Message- From: John Lange [mailto:j...@johnlange.ca] Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 11:56 AM To: Bill Sandiford Cc: TAUG Technical Subject: Re: [on-asterisk] Asterisk 1 Gigabit Internet. Bill, couple of follow up questions. Is it true that the co-location charges for locating the DSLAM at the CO are very high? When you say backhaul, are you talking about the connection from your DSLAM back to your network? I had heard that ILECs are increasingly building fibre to the pedestal and locating there DSLAMs there to reduce the length of the copper and increase speeds. Doesn't this effectively eliminate your ability to compete since you aren't allowed to do the same? -- John Lange www.johnlange.ca - To unsubscribe, e-mail: asterisk-unsubscr...@uc.org For additional commands, e-mail: asterisk-h...@uc.org
Re: [on-asterisk] Backup and Restore
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Henry Coleman
henry.cole...@voip-pbx.ca wrote:
Inserting the stick and refreshing the GUI page shows the new directory
structure on the USB stick.
However after a backup they get saved to the HD directory instead
You lost me there. If the USB is mounted on top of
/var/lib/asterisk/backups, then it would be impossible for you to
write to that directory and have it written to the hard disk.
Unplugging the USB stick does not restore the original HD directory, only a
reboot does this.
We probably need to fix something in this section:
# Clean up after removal
ACTION==remove, ENV{dir_name}!=, RUN+=/bin/umount -l
/var/lib/asterisk/backups
After removing the usb key, try running the unmount manually and see
what it says:
# /bin/umount -l /var/lib/asterisk/backups
There should also be a log of what happened in /var/log/messages
(That's assuming CentOS uses /var/log/messages for udev logging).
The most likely explanation is that the file system is busy
preventing it from being unmounted. If that is the case you can do (as
root):
# lsof | grep /var/lib/asterisk/backups
to find out what it is.
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Re: [on-asterisk] Cisco gear
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 10:34 AM, TAUG subscriber t...@fubutel.net wrote: Hey just wondering if anybody has an opinion about which Cisco phones and PoE switches work well with asterisk? Hi Erik, Were running about 10 of the Cisco SRW line of switches. They support VLANs and have good density with POE models up to 48 ports. We did have some issues with firmware wierdness with some units that were 2+ years old and were branded Linksys. The web interface made tagging more difficult than it needed to be and they would hang from time to time. These problems were exclusive to older units. The newer Cisco branded ones we have now have been quite reliable and were good value for the dollar. Dave
Re: [on-asterisk] Asterisk 1 Gigabit Internet.
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Bill Sandiford b...@telnetcommunications.com wrote: The big cost is the exorbitant fees they charge just to setup your colo area. You could file a Part VII with the CRTC requesting that they review and vary the charges. Have any competitive DSL providers tried that? Problem is all the costing is submitted to the CRTC in secret so it's pretty hard to challenge anything. As for your last point, yes you are correct. That is what I was talking about when I referred to only being able to reach approximately 25% of our target market from the CO. I'm surprised to hear that you are moving ahead with co-lo DSLAM given that percentage of customers will continue to decline. Is there something in place that will allow you access to the pedestal in the future? Bell could turn around tomorrow and convert all their peds to DSLAMs with fibre and you'd be screwed. Co-Lo DSLAM (along with Third Party Access for cable DSL) was the CRTC's original vision for competition in broadband. Largely it has failed for the following reasons: 1) CRTC allowed the ILECs Cable Co's to set the above mentioned insane setup and co-lo charges. This might not have been a show stopper if companies were able to get foreign investment but alas, Canada does not allow it. 2) Even if you do invest in a co-lo DSLAM, the only way to get the traffic out is to buy access from the ILEC and this is unregulated. Even if you ran your own fibre, you still have to pay insane monthly cable management fees. On top of that, in most places in the country there are only 2 ways to the internet, the ILEC or the Cable co. so you pay them again. It's an impossible business model which is why virtually nobody is doing it. -- John Lange www.johnlange.ca - To unsubscribe, e-mail: asterisk-unsubscr...@uc.org For additional commands, e-mail: asterisk-h...@uc.org
RE: [on-asterisk] Asterisk 1 Gigabit Internet.
John: We are only moving ahead with additional CO collocates under very specific circumstances. 1) We already have a sufficient volume of customers from that CO to justify the expense. 2) Backhaul can be obtained affordably 3) Any other tangible benefits from that CO that could be of value to us as a CLEC With regards to your point 2 at the bottom, we don't pay the ILEC to get out of the CO in any of our CO collocates and in one case we build our own dark fibre. In that case the cable management fees that you refer to were very affordable. Bill -Original Message- From: John Lange [mailto:j...@johnlange.ca] Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 1:23 PM To: Bill Sandiford Cc: TAUG Technical Subject: Re: [on-asterisk] Asterisk 1 Gigabit Internet. On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Bill Sandiford b...@telnetcommunications.com wrote: The big cost is the exorbitant fees they charge just to setup your colo area. You could file a Part VII with the CRTC requesting that they review and vary the charges. Have any competitive DSL providers tried that? Problem is all the costing is submitted to the CRTC in secret so it's pretty hard to challenge anything. As for your last point, yes you are correct. That is what I was talking about when I referred to only being able to reach approximately 25% of our target market from the CO. I'm surprised to hear that you are moving ahead with co-lo DSLAM given that percentage of customers will continue to decline. Is there something in place that will allow you access to the pedestal in the future? Bell could turn around tomorrow and convert all their peds to DSLAMs with fibre and you'd be screwed. Co-Lo DSLAM (along with Third Party Access for cable DSL) was the CRTC's original vision for competition in broadband. Largely it has failed for the following reasons: 1) CRTC allowed the ILECs Cable Co's to set the above mentioned insane setup and co-lo charges. This might not have been a show stopper if companies were able to get foreign investment but alas, Canada does not allow it. 2) Even if you do invest in a co-lo DSLAM, the only way to get the traffic out is to buy access from the ILEC and this is unregulated. Even if you ran your own fibre, you still have to pay insane monthly cable management fees. On top of that, in most places in the country there are only 2 ways to the internet, the ILEC or the Cable co. so you pay them again. It's an impossible business model which is why virtually nobody is doing it. -- John Lange www.johnlange.ca - To unsubscribe, e-mail: asterisk-unsubscr...@uc.org For additional commands, e-mail: asterisk-h...@uc.org
Re: [on-asterisk] Asterisk 1 Gigabit Internet.
Bill, What percentage of your total cost does the copper loop represent per subscriber? Thanks, Stephan Monette Unlimitel Inc. Tel.: 1-877-464-6638 Fax: (613) 482-1077 On 2010-12-22, at 1:32 PM, Bill Sandiford wrote: John: We are only moving ahead with additional CO collocates under very specific circumstances. 1) We already have a sufficient volume of customers from that CO to justify the expense. 2) Backhaul can be obtained affordably 3) Any other tangible benefits from that CO that could be of value to us as a CLEC With regards to your point 2 at the bottom, we don't pay the ILEC to get out of the CO in any of our CO collocates and in one case we build our own dark fibre. In that case the cable management fees that you refer to were very affordable. Bill -Original Message- From: John Lange [mailto:j...@johnlange.ca] Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 1:23 PM To: Bill Sandiford Cc: TAUG Technical Subject: Re: [on-asterisk] Asterisk 1 Gigabit Internet. On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Bill Sandiford b...@telnetcommunications.com wrote: The big cost is the exorbitant fees they charge just to setup your colo area. You could file a Part VII with the CRTC requesting that they review and vary the charges. Have any competitive DSL providers tried that? Problem is all the costing is submitted to the CRTC in secret so it's pretty hard to challenge anything. As for your last point, yes you are correct. That is what I was talking about when I referred to only being able to reach approximately 25% of our target market from the CO. I'm surprised to hear that you are moving ahead with co-lo DSLAM given that percentage of customers will continue to decline. Is there something in place that will allow you access to the pedestal in the future? Bell could turn around tomorrow and convert all their peds to DSLAMs with fibre and you'd be screwed. Co-Lo DSLAM (along with Third Party Access for cable DSL) was the CRTC's original vision for competition in broadband. Largely it has failed for the following reasons: 1) CRTC allowed the ILECs Cable Co's to set the above mentioned insane setup and co-lo charges. This might not have been a show stopper if companies were able to get foreign investment but alas, Canada does not allow it. 2) Even if you do invest in a co-lo DSLAM, the only way to get the traffic out is to buy access from the ILEC and this is unregulated. Even if you ran your own fibre, you still have to pay insane monthly cable management fees. On top of that, in most places in the country there are only 2 ways to the internet, the ILEC or the Cable co. so you pay them again. It's an impossible business model which is why virtually nobody is doing it. -- John Lange www.johnlange.ca - To unsubscribe, e-mail: asterisk-unsubscr...@uc.org For additional commands, e-mail: asterisk-h...@uc.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: asterisk-unsubscr...@uc.org For additional commands, e-mail: asterisk-h...@uc.org
RE: [on-asterisk] Asterisk 1 Gigabit Internet.
It depends. If they already have a Bell phone line and we are simply adding OUR service on top of their Bell POTS line, it is very minimal (mainly because the cost of the loop is borne by their POTS service with Bell. If it is a dry-loop, or we are providing the POTS service, it is the Type A unbundled loop rate from the LNI tariff. So for Band A, about $8.50, for Band B about $12.50, and it goes up from there. Anything higher than Band E is cost prohibitive. Bill -Original Message- From: Stephan Monette [mailto:monet...@unlimitel.ca] Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 1:39 PM To: Bill Sandiford Cc: 'John Lange'; TAUG Technical Subject: Re: [on-asterisk] Asterisk 1 Gigabit Internet. Bill, What percentage of your total cost does the copper loop represent per subscriber? Thanks, Stephan Monette Unlimitel Inc. Tel.: 1-877-464-6638 Fax: (613) 482-1077 On 2010-12-22, at 1:32 PM, Bill Sandiford wrote: John: We are only moving ahead with additional CO collocates under very specific circumstances. 1) We already have a sufficient volume of customers from that CO to justify the expense. 2) Backhaul can be obtained affordably 3) Any other tangible benefits from that CO that could be of value to us as a CLEC With regards to your point 2 at the bottom, we don't pay the ILEC to get out of the CO in any of our CO collocates and in one case we build our own dark fibre. In that case the cable management fees that you refer to were very affordable. Bill -Original Message- From: John Lange [mailto:j...@johnlange.ca] Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 1:23 PM To: Bill Sandiford Cc: TAUG Technical Subject: Re: [on-asterisk] Asterisk 1 Gigabit Internet. On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Bill Sandiford b...@telnetcommunications.com wrote: The big cost is the exorbitant fees they charge just to setup your colo area. You could file a Part VII with the CRTC requesting that they review and vary the charges. Have any competitive DSL providers tried that? Problem is all the costing is submitted to the CRTC in secret so it's pretty hard to challenge anything. As for your last point, yes you are correct. That is what I was talking about when I referred to only being able to reach approximately 25% of our target market from the CO. I'm surprised to hear that you are moving ahead with co-lo DSLAM given that percentage of customers will continue to decline. Is there something in place that will allow you access to the pedestal in the future? Bell could turn around tomorrow and convert all their peds to DSLAMs with fibre and you'd be screwed. Co-Lo DSLAM (along with Third Party Access for cable DSL) was the CRTC's original vision for competition in broadband. Largely it has failed for the following reasons: 1) CRTC allowed the ILECs Cable Co's to set the above mentioned insane setup and co-lo charges. This might not have been a show stopper if companies were able to get foreign investment but alas, Canada does not allow it. 2) Even if you do invest in a co-lo DSLAM, the only way to get the traffic out is to buy access from the ILEC and this is unregulated. Even if you ran your own fibre, you still have to pay insane monthly cable management fees. On top of that, in most places in the country there are only 2 ways to the internet, the ILEC or the Cable co. so you pay them again. It's an impossible business model which is why virtually nobody is doing it. -- John Lange www.johnlange.ca - To unsubscribe, e-mail: asterisk-unsubscr...@uc.org For additional commands, e-mail: asterisk-h...@uc.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: asterisk-unsubscr...@uc.org For additional commands, e-mail: asterisk-h...@uc.org
Re: [on-asterisk] Cisco gear
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 10:34 AM, TAUG subscriber t...@fubutel.net wrote: We did have some issues with firmware wierdness with some units that were 2+ years old and were branded Linksys. The web interface made tagging more difficult than it needed to be and they would hang from time to time. We had the exact same problem. We have a stack of them that we pulled out of service for exactly this reason. Stay away from SRW switches! The newer Cisco branded ones we have now have been quite reliable and were good value for the dollar. The cisco ESW units are are not re-branded Linksys SRW units but are the mid-line re-branded Linksys SFE (sorry I might be hazy on the exact model name). I'm not basing this on any official document from Cisco but more on the feature set. The ESW looks and feels just like the SFEs did and they don't randomly hang so that's a pretty good indication. However, this is all irrelevant because you can get a real Cisco switch (running a real Cisco IOS) for less than a rebranded Linksys. The Cisco (Linksys) ESW-520-24P (24 port POE) is around $900. The Cisco 2960 Lan Lite (24 port POE) is around $850. And just in case you are wondering, effectively LAN Lite means it has switch feature set. The other option is LAN Base which adds all kinds of higher end Layer 3 features effectively turning it into a firewall/router (and doubling the price). Bottom line, as shocking as it may seem, for my money the Cisco 2960 LAN Lite is far and away the best value for the money when put against any other switch on the market bar none. -- John Lange www.johnlange.ca - To unsubscribe, e-mail: asterisk-unsubscr...@uc.org For additional commands, e-mail: asterisk-h...@uc.org
Re: [on-asterisk] Asterisk 1 Gigabit Internet.
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Bill Sandiford b...@telnetcommunications.com wrote: John: We are only moving ahead with additional CO collocates under very specific circumstances. 1) We already have a sufficient volume of customers from that CO to justify the expense. 2) Backhaul can be obtained affordably 3) Any other tangible benefits from that CO that could be of value to us as a CLEC With regards to your point 2 at the bottom, we don't pay the ILEC to get out of the CO in any of our CO collocates and in one case we build our own dark fibre. In that case the cable management fees that you refer to were very affordable. Interesting. My guess is it's quite different in Toronto where there are already lots of other providers in a given CO which results in some options. Pretty much everywhere else in the country there is only one way in and out of the CO and that's via the ILEC. As for cable management, Bell charges us $450/mo to manage a single ethernet cable to the meetme room with none of their equipment on either end. That's not reasonable in my books... -- John Lange www.johnlange.ca - To unsubscribe, e-mail: asterisk-unsubscr...@uc.org For additional commands, e-mail: asterisk-h...@uc.org
Re: [on-asterisk] Asterisk 1 Gigabit Internet.
Stephan Monette wrote: Has anyone in the group installed their own DSLAMs to provide DSL services and could comment on pricing to do so? I have installed DSLAM shelves, but I have no idea of the cost, as I was only the technician. However, the DSLAM shelf is only part of the equation. You also have to get bandwidth to it and also arrange for the copper pair etc. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: asterisk-unsubscr...@uc.org For additional commands, e-mail: asterisk-h...@uc.org
