[on-asterisk] Symetrical DSL or Cable
As everyone is aware, the number of voip channels over the public internet is limited by the upload speed of the DSL or Cable broadband connection. So my question is..does anyone know of a service that can give me symetrical upload/download speed at a reasonable cost $200 per month. ? PS must be available in the Toronto area -- Henry L. Coleman. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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As far as I know Bell does SDSL at 2048 Kbps up/down, but only in the downtown core. Not sure what the pricing is, but it may not fit the $200 budget. There's something interesting I learned a couple days ago: With some ADSL providers in the GTA, you can do bonded DSL. It's not exactly symetrical, but at least you can get a higher upload speed. Liviu On 8/1/07, John Van Ostrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2007-08-01 at 05:58 -0400, Henry L.Coleman wrote: So my question is..does anyone know of a service that can give me symetrical upload/download speed at a reasonable cost $200 per month. ? PS must be available in the Toronto area I though Bell would do that, with their business service. -- Register for the Ontario Linux Fest Conference today! A Linux Conference for users by users. -- John Van Ostrand Net Direct Inc. CTO, co-CEO 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 map [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph: 866-883-1172 ext.5102 Linux Solutions / IBM Hardware Fx: 519-883-8533 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 2007-08-01 at 05:58 -0400, Henry L.Coleman wrote: So my question is..does anyone know of a service that can give me symetrical upload/download speed at a reasonable cost $200 per month. ? PS must be available in the Toronto area I though Bell would do that, with their business service. -- Register for the Ontario Linux Fest Conference today! A Linux Conference for users by users. -- John Van Ostrand Net Direct Inc. CTO, co-CEO 564 Weber St. N. Unit 12 Waterloo, ON N2L 5C6 map [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph: 866-883-1172 ext.5102 Linux Solutions / IBM Hardware Fx: 519-883-8533
Re: [on-asterisk] Symetrical DSL or Cable
800$ :/ you can get lit fibre for that in the downtown core. On Wed, 2007-08-01 at 10:48 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1 Aug 2007 at 10:04, Simon P. Ditner wrote: I know Sprint Canada (now Rogers) used to offer SDSL, even outside the core, but I'm not sure if their pricing. $800 a month, Radiant to sDSL cheaper I believe - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wednesday 01 August 2007 9:32:38 am John Van Ostrand wrote: I though Bell would do that, with their business service. I am not aware of ANY Bell solution that is symmetrical, outside of their tarriffed offerings (Megalink, LAN Extension, etc.) All resold service seems to be 800k, with the odd cable offering giving you 1MB uplink, at least as far as I can see. I believe that places such as Packetworks or Group Telecom can get you SDSL or other like offerings for cheaper. May want to check with them. Being in Toronto, there should be no end in sight to the number of providers willing to sell to you. -A. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 8/1/07, Henry L.Coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So my question is..does anyone know of a service that can give me symetrical upload/download speed at a reasonable cost $200 per month. ? This is a borderline biz question, but I'm willing to bend the rules and play along :-) It's tough to find a symmetrical service in that price range. The last price I heard for an SDSL line was in the $500 range. I was talking with a company yesterday that does fixed wireless service. I haven't had it implemented so I can't speak to their services but I think they might be able to meet your requirement depending on site location relative to their POP. I spoke with a guy named Mark at Internet Access Solutions. www.iasl.com Bill Sandiford put me onto them at the last TAUG meeting. It might be worth a call. Disclosure: I don't work for these guys or benefit from their sales. I'm just a potential customer. Dave
Re: [on-asterisk] Symetrical DSL or Cable
From the business perspective, I wonder why one would go with an sDSL for the cost -- when one can achieve equal upload speed (perhaps more), but GREATER download speed, when considering bonded DSL -- with fixed IP address. - Original Message - From: Bill Sandiford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: asterisk@uc.org Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [on-asterisk] Symetrical DSL or Cable I don't benefit from them either, but I know both of the owners personally. They have a very good fixed wireless network that does symmetrical service. From what I understand their network covers most of the west end of the city very well and some areas of downtown (if you have line of sight) - Original Message - From: Dave Donovan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: asterisk@uc.org Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [on-asterisk] Symetrical DSL or Cable On 8/1/07, Henry L.Coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So my question is..does anyone know of a service that can give me symetrical upload/download speed at a reasonable cost $200 per month. ? This is a borderline biz question, but I'm willing to bend the rules and play along :-) It's tough to find a symmetrical service in that price range. The last price I heard for an SDSL line was in the $500 range. I was talking with a company yesterday that does fixed wireless service. I haven't had it implemented so I can't speak to their services but I think they might be able to meet your requirement depending on site location relative to their POP. I spoke with a guy named Mark at Internet Access Solutions. www.iasl.com Bill Sandiford put me onto them at the last TAUG meeting. It might be worth a call. Disclosure: I don't work for these guys or benefit from their sales. I'm just a potential customer. Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I don't benefit from them either, but I know both of the owners personally. They have a very good fixed wireless network that does symmetrical service. From what I understand their network covers most of the west end of the city very well and some areas of downtown (if you have line of sight) - Original Message - From: Dave Donovan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: asterisk@uc.org Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [on-asterisk] Symetrical DSL or Cable On 8/1/07, Henry L.Coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So my question is..does anyone know of a service that can give me symetrical upload/download speed at a reasonable cost $200 per month. ? This is a borderline biz question, but I'm willing to bend the rules and play along :-) It's tough to find a symmetrical service in that price range. The last price I heard for an SDSL line was in the $500 range. I was talking with a company yesterday that does fixed wireless service. I haven't had it implemented so I can't speak to their services but I think they might be able to meet your requirement depending on site location relative to their POP. I spoke with a guy named Mark at Internet Access Solutions. www.iasl.com Bill Sandiford put me onto them at the last TAUG meeting. It might be worth a call. Disclosure: I don't work for these guys or benefit from their sales. I'm just a potential customer. Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wednesday 01 August 2007 4:23:59 pm Reza - Asterisk Enthusiast wrote: From the business perspective, I wonder why one would go with an sDSL for the cost -- when one can achieve equal upload speed (perhaps more), but GREATER download speed, when considering bonded DSL -- with fixed IP address. Unless you're getting your own VPI/VCI, which immediately puts you in the price range of SDSL service, you have no better uptime than the consumer grade internet everyone is schlocking. Bell's authentication network went belly-up for damn near a full 24h a few months back. If your connection dropped during that time, you were SOL. Neither Bell nor any of its DSL resellers could authenticate you. Anytime you're dealing with DSL you're dealing with the broadband aggregators and all the nastiness that goes with them. Bonded or no, it's still no fun. direct links (lan extensions, SDSL, fibre, T1, etc.) and private DSL (private VPI/VCI) reduce the number of points of failure and get you a proportionate increase in stability, but of course there is a price tag associated with that. What I like about these solutions though is that you can get beyond the 800k, and you don't have to play silly bugger with bonding, although in terms of reliability bonding gives you additional redundancy. Isn't engineering fun? :-) Personally, I run my home phone line on scsinternet's nekkid DSL. It's stable enough for me (never had a failure that was Mark's fault in the last 3 years). However I would *NEVER* suggest standard grade DSL, bonded or not, for any business without a fallback (analog lines, cell phone ringdown, etc.). In fact I'm leery on doing that for any business without having a dedicated tarriffed link (T1) to a provider who's been around for a significant time. I don't even present the option when I quote. Even with redundant connections (i.e. a location with cable, DSL and wireless) I'm leery on it, and to be honest I don't recommend running their phone lines over their general internet connection anyway, so the cost for truly redundant VOIP without PSTN failover is too expensive for most. As my linkedin summary says... I'm not the cheapest, but I've been around enough to be able to avoid most of the common pitfalls. :-) -A. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hey Andrew! Thanks for your feedback. This is important. We are talking about a couple of things here: Pricing, Availability, and Redundancy. Folks are paying a premium when it comes to Business DSL, and the same DSL is priced almost double for business. I've been assured by other DSL providers, that they use their OWN equipment, vs. reselling Bell's DSL services have confirmed they are NOT using their Lucent Stingers. Additionally I've been told by a number of DSL providers that they do not use Bell's DSLAM, but have their own DSLAMs ... however they do take advantage of Bell's already present wiring (thanks to deregulation - but definitely Bell's not happy!). Now... most of my clients are not concerned nor worried about PSTN fail over. They just want VoIP for its benefits advantages. Again... speaking from my personal experience -- having converted to 100% VOIP for the past 3 years with NO PSTN service available at home or office -- even with a consumer grade DSL service I've been pretty satisfied (except for when we moved to a new place -- different story different topic). In other words in my personal experience, having 4 people on the phone at exactly the same given time, no one experienced any degradation in quality with consumer class DSL service. So I am satisfied. Based on personal experience, we've recommended clients with few lines, about our similar setup. We deployed several VOIP systems ALL are running on DSL (business class). And yes, all clients are informed there is no PSTN fail over as per their own admission -- they are aware of the DSL VOIP limitations (in case there is no internet). We've obtained redundancy for less than half the cost of a Full Blown PRI/T1. Necessity is the mother of invention :). If I ever have a client in the medical sector -- there is NO DOUBT -- I will recommend them for a dedicated T1, or multiple T1's with PSTN fail over and such. They have money. But MOST small and medium size business do not want to invest behind PSTN fail over redundancy. Its expensive. On top of all this engineering, theoretical and possible screw ups (and yes, we must be pragmatic as engineers and specialists) --- experience has proved to me that ADSL and bonded DSL isn't a bad choice and is quite a stable choice (assuming your internet DSL is stable), in serving our existing clients who's requirements range from 2 - 15 simultaneous incoming calls from the PSTN through their SIP trunking. So in my case -- when I can get beyond a 800K speed with a bonded DSL for less than the price of a Symmetric DSL -- and speaking from experience that it **works**, I can't justify the cost of a Symmetric DSL, where for an extra 150 or 200 bux, you get yourself a full blown T1 (and yes, depending on location) -- but then again to get FULL SDSL potential is also dependent on location. Coming back to your statement However I would *NEVER* suggest standard grade DSL, bonded or not, for any business without a fallback (analog lines, cell phone ringdown, etc.). -- my question to you is Why Not?, as long as the client is well aware and educated of the limitations? Few other questions: 1. Are the non-Bell DSL providers who claim not to be on Bells DSLAMs, and claim not to be reselling Bell's services are lying? 2. Other than the possibility of the DSL connection going down bandwidth limitations -- should I be aware of other limitations? 3. Since we have several clients on DSL/VoIP services -- as mentioned clients receiving making 2-15 simultaneous calls to and from the PSTN (via their SIP trunks), should we be worried of a ticking time bomb here with VoIP DSL in terms of VOIP quality of service (except the fact that DSL internet may be down) I agree T1 is THE BEST solution but not too many clients like the pricing. Ok... if its a call centre client -- then its a **completely** different story -- but then again we've seen call centres running **exclusively** on SIP trunks. We both have unique requirements and unique experiences with our clients. I'm eager anxious to learn more from your experience deployment! Cheers! Reza. - Original Message - From: Andrew Kohlsmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: asterisk@uc.org Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [on-asterisk] Symetrical DSL or Cable On Wednesday 01 August 2007 4:23:59 pm Reza - Asterisk Enthusiast wrote: From the business perspective, I wonder why one would go with an sDSL for the cost -- when one can achieve equal upload speed (perhaps more), but GREATER download speed, when considering bonded DSL -- with fixed IP address. Unless you're getting your own VPI/VCI, which immediately puts you in the price range of SDSL service, you have no better uptime than the consumer grade internet everyone is schlocking. Bell's authentication network went belly-up for damn near a full 24h a few months back. If your connection
