RE: [on-asterisk] Router/vpn devices that are VoIP friendly
Don't forget QoS !!! -Original Message- From: Aloysius Thevarajah Lloyd [mailto:lloyd.aloys...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 10:35 AM To: Dave Donovan Cc: asterisk@uc.org Subject: Re: [on-asterisk] Router/vpn devices that are VoIP friendly Currently I am using PC Engines Alix + m0n0wall in production environments. So far no problems. It is working really good. In the Past I have bad experience with VOIP+pfsense. I never try the most recent version 1.2.3. But I would say a VOIP friendly router should have the Following features 1. WAN Port - PPOE - DHCP - STATIC - PPOE + MLPP 2. LAN Port's - DHCP - VLAN - DHCP Option 66 3. VPN Support 4. Should pass the TFTP traffic from WAN to LAN 5. WAN Failover 6. Monitoring tools But I could not find any open source firmware support all of the above. Thank you. A.T.Lloyd On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Dave Donovan donovan.da...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Dave Donovandonovan.da...@gmail.com wrote: I like the suggestion of using the Snoms for remotes. I never would have guessed that a phone had OpenVPN built in. Maybe the Alix is a good solution for your aggregation point. I'm going to reply to my own post here and add some disclosure, lest anyone get false hope or be misled. In my environment I'm running pfSense at my remote sites on refurb Dell P4s. I've bough the Alix systems and I'm testing them pending deployment. So far things look good. At my head office, I'm not running pfSense. I'm running Untangle because it has a web filtering, antivirus, antispam, etc and a cool interface for generating and distributing the OpenVPN install packages with the keys and everything all rolled up. It's gone wonky on me a few times and I've sworn to rip it out but then reconsidered the calmness of the following day. The Untangle system is not meant for the hacker set. It's the Trixbox of routers. Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: asterisk-unsubscr...@uc.org For additional commands, e-mail: asterisk-h...@uc.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: asterisk-unsubscr...@uc.org For additional commands, e-mail: asterisk-h...@uc.org
Re: [on-asterisk] Router/vpn devices that are VoIP friendly
Yes QoS is most important -- My next question Is there any commercial router support all these features for Small Business Environment. Thank you. A.T.Lloyd On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Bill Sandiford b...@telnetcommunications.com wrote: Don't forget QoS !!! -Original Message- From: Aloysius Thevarajah Lloyd [mailto:lloyd.aloys...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 10:35 AM To: Dave Donovan Cc: asterisk@uc.org Subject: Re: [on-asterisk] Router/vpn devices that are VoIP friendly Currently I am using PC Engines Alix + m0n0wall in production environments. So far no problems. It is working really good. In the Past I have bad experience with VOIP+pfsense. I never try the most recent version 1.2.3. But I would say a VOIP friendly router should have the Following features 1. WAN Port - PPOE - DHCP - STATIC - PPOE + MLPP 2. LAN Port's - DHCP - VLAN - DHCP Option 66 3. VPN Support 4. Should pass the TFTP traffic from WAN to LAN 5. WAN Failover 6. Monitoring tools But I could not find any open source firmware support all of the above. Thank you. A.T.Lloyd On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Dave Donovan donovan.da...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Dave Donovandonovan.da...@gmail.com wrote: I like the suggestion of using the Snoms for remotes. I never would have guessed that a phone had OpenVPN built in. Maybe the Alix is a good solution for your aggregation point. I'm going to reply to my own post here and add some disclosure, lest anyone get false hope or be misled. In my environment I'm running pfSense at my remote sites on refurb Dell P4s. I've bough the Alix systems and I'm testing them pending deployment. So far things look good. At my head office, I'm not running pfSense. I'm running Untangle because it has a web filtering, antivirus, antispam, etc and a cool interface for generating and distributing the OpenVPN install packages with the keys and everything all rolled up. It's gone wonky on me a few times and I've sworn to rip it out but then reconsidered the calmness of the following day. The Untangle system is not meant for the hacker set. It's the Trixbox of routers. Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: asterisk-unsubscr...@uc.org For additional commands, e-mail: asterisk-h...@uc.org
Re: [on-asterisk] Router/vpn devices that are VoIP friendly
As is a device with enough cpu to process packets ! :) Aloysius Thevarajah Lloyd wrote: Yes QoS is most important -- My next question Is there any commercial router support all these features for Small Business Environment. Thank you. A.T.Lloyd On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Bill Sandiford b...@telnetcommunications.com wrote: Don't forget QoS !!! -Original Message- From: Aloysius Thevarajah Lloyd [mailto:lloyd.aloys...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 10:35 AM To: Dave Donovan Cc: asterisk@uc.org Subject: Re: [on-asterisk] Router/vpn devices that are VoIP friendly Currently I am using PC Engines Alix + m0n0wall in production environments. So far no problems. It is working really good. In the Past I have bad experience with VOIP+pfsense. I never try the most recent version 1.2.3. But I would say a VOIP friendly router should have the Following features 1. WAN Port - PPOE - DHCP - STATIC - PPOE + MLPP 2. LAN Port's - DHCP - VLAN - DHCP Option 66 3. VPN Support 4. Should pass the TFTP traffic from WAN to LAN 5. WAN Failover 6. Monitoring tools But I could not find any open source firmware support all of the above. Thank you. A.T.Lloyd On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Dave Donovan donovan.da...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Dave Donovandonovan.da...@gmail.com wrote: I like the suggestion of using the Snoms for remotes. I never would have guessed that a phone had OpenVPN built in. Maybe the Alix is a good solution for your aggregation point. I'm going to reply to my own post here and add some disclosure, lest anyone get false hope or be misled. In my environment I'm running pfSense at my remote sites on refurb Dell P4s. I've bough the Alix systems and I'm testing them pending deployment. So far things look good. At my head office, I'm not running pfSense. I'm running Untangle because it has a web filtering, antivirus, antispam, etc and a cool interface for generating and distributing the OpenVPN install packages with the keys and everything all rolled up. It's gone wonky on me a few times and I've sworn to rip it out but then reconsidered the calmness of the following day. The Untangle system is not meant for the hacker set. It's the Trixbox of routers. Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: asterisk-unsubscr...@uc.org For additional commands, e-mail: asterisk-h...@uc.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: asterisk-unsubscr...@uc.org For additional commands, e-mail: asterisk-h...@uc.org
Re: [on-asterisk] Router/vpn devices that are VoIP friendly
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Simon P. Ditnersi...@uc.org wrote: I'd like to connect about 4 homes together with a VPN to handle VoIP in a family environment -- so I'm shying away from exotic things on premises like linux boxes with humming fans. Is there anything commodity out there that will act as a VPN server, and have complimentary routers to act as VPN clients that could connect to it? Otherwise, I'm thinking of the Tomato+OpenVPN (http://tomatovpn.keithmoyer.com/) distribution on WRT54g's, but haven't tested how well it works with VoIP traffic. I may also do away with the dedicated server, and set them up in a peer-to-peer fashion to reduce latency. Simon, I know Phil Mullis uses the PC Engines Alix boards running pfSense at his end points and has good things to say about them. Pros: - Fanless - Diskless - Low power - LX series processors have AES crypto accelleration so you can get decent VPN throughput. This is not true of most WRT implementations which get CPU bottlenecked because they are underpowered for encryption. This is based on my reading and I haven't confirmed it first hand yet. - pfSense is a great package that's stable, secure, and supports OpenVPN. I've been using it at my remote sites for about 2 years and not a single complaint. - pfSense supports packet capture if you ever need to troubleshoot. - pfSense embedded edition now supports in-place upgrade and packages (new in the last few months) - Lots of memory and flash available Cons: - No QOS within VPN tunnels - Cost penalty vs WRT: Alix delivered w/ accessories is about $250 vs WRT ready to go at $60-$100. I like the suggestion of using the Snoms for remotes. I never would have guessed that a phone had OpenVPN built in. Maybe the Alix is a good solution for your aggregation point. Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: asterisk-unsubscr...@uc.org For additional commands, e-mail: asterisk-h...@uc.org
Re: [on-asterisk] Router/vpn devices that are VoIP friendly
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Dave Donovandonovan.da...@gmail.com wrote: I like the suggestion of using the Snoms for remotes. I never would have guessed that a phone had OpenVPN built in. Maybe the Alix is a good solution for your aggregation point. I'm going to reply to my own post here and add some disclosure, lest anyone get false hope or be misled. In my environment I'm running pfSense at my remote sites on refurb Dell P4s. I've bough the Alix systems and I'm testing them pending deployment. So far things look good. At my head office, I'm not running pfSense. I'm running Untangle because it has a web filtering, antivirus, antispam, etc and a cool interface for generating and distributing the OpenVPN install packages with the keys and everything all rolled up. It's gone wonky on me a few times and I've sworn to rip it out but then reconsidered the calmness of the following day. The Untangle system is not meant for the hacker set. It's the Trixbox of routers. Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: asterisk-unsubscr...@uc.org For additional commands, e-mail: asterisk-h...@uc.org
Re: [on-asterisk] Router/vpn devices that are VoIP friendly
William Hobbs/Harmac 08/31/2009 10:42 AM To Simon P. Ditner si...@uc.org cc asterisk@uc.org, spdit...@gmail.com Subject Re: [on-asterisk] Router/vpn devices that are VoIP friendly I've seen a lot of people use Hamachi to set up World of Warcraft Servers and have people connect through it to play. Might be what you are looking for. Simon P. Ditner si...@uc.org Sent by: spdit...@gmail.com 08/31/2009 10:36 AM To asterisk@uc.org cc Subject [on-asterisk] Router/vpn devices that are VoIP friendly I'd like to connect about 4 homes together with a VPN to handle VoIP in a family environment -- so I'm shying away from exotic things on premises like linux boxes with humming fans. Is there anything commodity out there that will act as a VPN server, and have complimentary routers to act as VPN clients that could connect to it? Otherwise, I'm thinking of the Tomato+OpenVPN (http://tomatovpn.keithmoyer.com/) distribution on WRT54g's, but haven't tested how well it works with VoIP traffic. I may also do away with the dedicated server, and set them up in a peer-to-peer fashion to reduce latency. -Simon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: asterisk-unsubscr...@uc.org For additional commands, e-mail: asterisk-h...@uc.org
Re: [on-asterisk] Router/vpn devices that are VoIP friendly
Hi Simon, if you can setup OpenVPN server in a central environment, the remote sites can just use SNOM 370 or SNOM 8xx family phones which can have OpenVPN client built-in, for those VPN enabled SNOM phones, once setup you will be just plug and play with security and peace of mind. Chris On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Simon P. Ditner si...@uc.org wrote: I'd like to connect about 4 homes together with a VPN to handle VoIP in a family environment -- so I'm shying away from exotic things on premises like linux boxes with humming fans. Is there anything commodity out there that will act as a VPN server, and have complimentary routers to act as VPN clients that could connect to it? Otherwise, I'm thinking of the Tomato+OpenVPN (http://tomatovpn.keithmoyer.com/) distribution on WRT54g's, but haven't tested how well it works with VoIP traffic. I may also do away with the dedicated server, and set them up in a peer-to-peer fashion to reduce latency. -Simon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: asterisk-unsubscr...@uc.org For additional commands, e-mail: asterisk-h...@uc.org
RE: [on-asterisk] Router/vpn devices that are VoIP friendly
Hi Simon, You may want to try OpenVPN Access Server: http://openvpn.net/index.php/access-server/download-openvpn-as.html It runs as a virtual machine, and is extremely easy to set up and manage. It's free for up to 2 simultaneous connections and $5 (one-time) per additional peer. I've had a few DD-WRT'd Linksys' running the clients for quite a while now with very good results. Juan -Original Message- From: spdit...@gmail.com [mailto:spdit...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Simon P. Ditner Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 10:37 AM To: asterisk@uc.org Subject: [on-asterisk] Router/vpn devices that are VoIP friendly I'd like to connect about 4 homes together with a VPN to handle VoIP in a family environment -- so I'm shying away from exotic things on premises like linux boxes with humming fans. Is there anything commodity out there that will act as a VPN server, and have complimentary routers to act as VPN clients that could connect to it? Otherwise, I'm thinking of the Tomato+OpenVPN (http://tomatovpn.keithmoyer.com/) distribution on WRT54g's, but haven't tested how well it works with VoIP traffic. I may also do away with the dedicated server, and set them up in a peer-to-peer fashion to reduce latency. -Simon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: asterisk-unsubscr...@uc.org For additional commands, e-mail: asterisk-h...@uc.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: asterisk-unsubscr...@uc.org For additional commands, e-mail: asterisk-h...@uc.org
Re: [on-asterisk] Router/vpn devices that are VoIP friendly
Interesting. I didn't expect that any phone would support OpenVPN directly (http://wiki.snom.com/Networking/VPN). Does anyone know if other handset manufacturers models support things like OpenVPN, or simpler VPN's like PPTP and L2TP? 2009/8/31 Chris Chen chris.chen2...@gmail.com: Hi Simon, if you can setup OpenVPN server in a central environment, the remote sites can just use SNOM 370 or SNOM 8xx family phones which can have OpenVPN client built-in, for those VPN enabled SNOM phones, once setup you will be just plug and play with security and peace of mind. Chris On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Simon P. Ditner si...@uc.org wrote: I'd like to connect about 4 homes together with a VPN to handle VoIP in a family environment -- so I'm shying away from exotic things on premises like linux boxes with humming fans. Is there anything commodity out there that will act as a VPN server, and have complimentary routers to act as VPN clients that could connect to it? Otherwise, I'm thinking of the Tomato+OpenVPN (http://tomatovpn.keithmoyer.com/) distribution on WRT54g's, but haven't tested how well it works with VoIP traffic. I may also do away with the dedicated server, and set them up in a peer-to-peer fashion to reduce latency. -Simon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: asterisk-unsubscr...@uc.org For additional commands, e-mail: asterisk-h...@uc.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: asterisk-unsubscr...@uc.org For additional commands, e-mail: asterisk-h...@uc.org
Re: [on-asterisk] Router/vpn devices that are VoIP friendly
Are you running VoIP over them? -Simon 2009/8/31 Juan Sicardi jmsica...@fmginc.com: Hi Simon, You may want to try OpenVPN Access Server: http://openvpn.net/index.php/access-server/download-openvpn-as.html It runs as a virtual machine, and is extremely easy to set up and manage. It's free for up to 2 simultaneous connections and $5 (one-time) per additional peer. I've had a few DD-WRT'd Linksys' running the clients for quite a while now with very good results. Juan -Original Message- From: spdit...@gmail.com [mailto:spdit...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Simon P. Ditner Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 10:37 AM To: asterisk@uc.org Subject: [on-asterisk] Router/vpn devices that are VoIP friendly I'd like to connect about 4 homes together with a VPN to handle VoIP in a family environment -- so I'm shying away from exotic things on premises like linux boxes with humming fans. Is there anything commodity out there that will act as a VPN server, and have complimentary routers to act as VPN clients that could connect to it? Otherwise, I'm thinking of the Tomato+OpenVPN (http://tomatovpn.keithmoyer.com/) distribution on WRT54g's, but haven't tested how well it works with VoIP traffic. I may also do away with the dedicated server, and set them up in a peer-to-peer fashion to reduce latency. -Simon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: asterisk-unsubscr...@uc.org For additional commands, e-mail: asterisk-h...@uc.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: asterisk-unsubscr...@uc.org For additional commands, e-mail: asterisk-h...@uc.org -- | It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what | you know for sure that just ain't so. -- Mark Twain | | Network: http://www.linkedin.com/in/spditner | http://facebook.com/people/Simon-P-Ditner/776370031 | http://twitter.com/spditner - To unsubscribe, e-mail: asterisk-unsubscr...@uc.org For additional commands, e-mail: asterisk-h...@uc.org
RE: [on-asterisk] Router/vpn devices that are VoIP friendly
Yes. Both SIP and IAX - so far nobody has complained. One of the SIP setups I use myself from home (cheap WRT54GL) to connect to the office's PBX. -Original Message- From: spdit...@gmail.com [mailto:spdit...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Simon P. Ditner Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 11:17 AM To: asterisk@uc.org Subject: Re: [on-asterisk] Router/vpn devices that are VoIP friendly Are you running VoIP over them? -Simon 2009/8/31 Juan Sicardi jmsica...@fmginc.com: Hi Simon, You may want to try OpenVPN Access Server: http://openvpn.net/index.php/access-server/download-openvpn-as.html It runs as a virtual machine, and is extremely easy to set up and manage. It's free for up to 2 simultaneous connections and $5 (one-time) per additional peer. I've had a few DD-WRT'd Linksys' running the clients for quite a while now with very good results. Juan -Original Message- From: spdit...@gmail.com [mailto:spdit...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Simon P. Ditner Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 10:37 AM To: asterisk@uc.org Subject: [on-asterisk] Router/vpn devices that are VoIP friendly I'd like to connect about 4 homes together with a VPN to handle VoIP in a family environment -- so I'm shying away from exotic things on premises like linux boxes with humming fans. Is there anything commodity out there that will act as a VPN server, and have complimentary routers to act as VPN clients that could connect to it? Otherwise, I'm thinking of the Tomato+OpenVPN (http://tomatovpn.keithmoyer.com/) distribution on WRT54g's, but haven't tested how well it works with VoIP traffic. I may also do away with the dedicated server, and set them up in a peer-to-peer fashion to reduce latency. -Simon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: asterisk-unsubscr...@uc.org For additional commands, e-mail: asterisk-h...@uc.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: asterisk-unsubscr...@uc.org For additional commands, e-mail: asterisk-h...@uc.org -- | It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what | you know for sure that just ain't so. -- Mark Twain | | Network: http://www.linkedin.com/in/spditner | http://facebook.com/people/Simon-P-Ditner/776370031 | http://twitter.com/spditner - To unsubscribe, e-mail: asterisk-unsubscr...@uc.org For additional commands, e-mail: asterisk-h...@uc.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: asterisk-unsubscr...@uc.org For additional commands, e-mail: asterisk-h...@uc.org
Re: [on-asterisk] Router/vpn devices that are VoIP friendly
Simon, We're using the original tomato+openVPN by roadkill and it works well as long as there isn't too much traffic over the VPN, since the version we're running doesn't offer QOS on the vpn link. Now we have an older version running 1.19 which was a bit of a pain to get the vpn setup. At server end running pfsense. Will have to check out the new version, since it now has gui. Need to follow forum thread to see if they got QOS working over vpn link. Mike Simon P. Ditner wrote: I'd like to connect about 4 homes together with a VPN to handle VoIP in a family environment -- so I'm shying away from exotic things on premises like linux boxes with humming fans. Is there anything commodity out there that will act as a VPN server, and have complimentary routers to act as VPN clients that could connect to it? Otherwise, I'm thinking of the Tomato+OpenVPN (http://tomatovpn.keithmoyer.com/) distribution on WRT54g's, but haven't tested how well it works with VoIP traffic. I may also do away with the dedicated server, and set them up in a peer-to-peer fashion to reduce latency. -Simon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: asterisk-unsubscr...@uc.org For additional commands, e-mail: asterisk-h...@uc.org -- Mike Ashton Quality Track Intl CTO Ph: 647-724-3500 x 301 Cell: 416-527-4995 Fax:416-352-6043 QTI CONFIDENTIAL AND PROPRIETARY INFORMATION The contents of this material are confidential and proprietary to Quality Track International, Inc. and may not be reproduced, disclosed, distributed or used without the express permission of an authorized representative of QTI. Use for any purpose or in any manner other than that expressly authorized is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately delete it and all copies, and promptly notify the sender. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: asterisk-unsubscr...@uc.org For additional commands, e-mail: asterisk-h...@uc.org
RE: [on-asterisk] Router/vpn devices that are VoIP friendly
I run IPSEC VPN under OpenVPN package under OpenWRT 8.09 on a the cheapo linux-compat WRT54G. VOIP from a softphone on my notebook when connecting from remote to asterisk works great. I'd like to add QOS package by not enough flash memory on this device. Waiting to get a hold of a fonera2 to replace the WRT. -Original Message- From: spdit...@gmail.com [mailto:spdit...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Simon P. Ditner Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 10:37 AM To: asterisk@uc.org Subject: [on-asterisk] Router/vpn devices that are VoIP friendly I'd like to connect about 4 homes together with a VPN to handle VoIP in a family environment -- so I'm shying away from exotic things on premises like linux boxes with humming fans. Is there anything commodity out there that will act as a VPN server, and have complimentary routers to act as VPN clients that could connect to it? Otherwise, I'm thinking of the Tomato+OpenVPN (http://tomatovpn.keithmoyer.com/) distribution on WRT54g's, but haven't tested how well it works with VoIP traffic. I may also do away with the dedicated server, and set them up in a peer-to-peer fashion to reduce latency. -Simon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: asterisk-unsubscr...@uc.org For additional commands, e-mail: asterisk-h...@uc.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: asterisk-unsubscr...@uc.org For additional commands, e-mail: asterisk-h...@uc.org
