Re: [Aus-soaring] Liability to public.
You mean we should make changes because someone in Poland gets beaned by a piece of wreckage? From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Scutter Sent: Wednesday, 4 June 2014 8:15 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Liability to public. Turnpoints are usually over populated areas such as towns. Turnpoints are naturally an area of higher collision risk because of converging headings. Pilots tend to outland/get low near turnpoints because of tunnel vision or trying round the turnpoints efficiently in high wind. Perhaps turnpoints shouldn't be over populated areas/landmarks in competitions in this age of GPS navigation? On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Derek Ruddock drudd...@iinet.net.au wrote: Lookout, lookout, lookout… From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Christopher McDonnell Sent: Monday, 2 June 2014 6:52 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Liability to public. http://www.thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/172564,Pilot-killed-in-glider-tournament ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Contact details for Wes Myszak
Thanks guys. He has emailed me from Poland. mike From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of jar...@optusnet.com.au Sent: Wednesday, 4 September 2013 2:15 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Contact details for Wes Myszak May not be back from Poland: http://soaringspot.com/xiikzs/results/club/day-by-day.html JM - Original Message - From: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Cc: Sent: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 14:05:47 +1000 Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Contact details for Wes Myszak Try amysa...@iinet.net.au he took a while to respond On 04/09/2013 1:49 PM, Mike Timbrell mike.timbr...@techpack.net.au wrote: Does anyone know how to contact Wes Myszak, the SZD agent? Neither of the phone nos. connect and the email address shown on the Polish website bounces. mike ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _ Email sent using Optus Webmail ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Contact details for Wes Myszak
Does anyone know how to contact Wes Myszak, the SZD agent? Neither of the phone nos. connect and the email address shown on the Polish website bounces. mike ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Wave camp near Gloucester NSW
Thanks to all. A mate who's a local cocky was wondering what was happening. mike From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mal Bruce Sent: Wednesday, 7 August 2013 1:14 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Wave camp near Gloucester NSW Central Coast Club http://www.glidingaustralia.org/GFA/events-calendar.html expect nothing get nothing http://www.gloucesteradvocate.com.au/story/1689075/gliders-return-to-our-ski es/?cs=435 club vice president Rod Martyn on 0499 155 060. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Alan Bones
Vale Alan. Will be sorely missed at Pipers. From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Tom Jane Gilbert Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013 8:35 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] Alan Bones Further to my email a week or so ago I’m sorry to report that Alan passed away this afternoon without regaining consciousness. We will miss him greatly. Again please do not contact the family. They have enough to deal with. Tom Gilbert ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] MAY ISSUE - GLIDING INTERNATIONAL
Che? From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of John Roake Sent: Monday, 13 May 2013 7:34 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] MAY ISSUE - GLIDING INTERNATIONAL On 12/05/13 8:12 PM, Peter Champness plchampn...@gmail.com wrote: Our reply hereunder: Hi Peter, Your subscription instructions were received and your sub was renewed for 12 months on 01-05-2013. You are paid up to and including issue May 2014. i Regards -- JANICE SUBSCRIBER SERVICE GLIDING INTERNATIONAL (Email address: off...@glidinginternational.com) (Web address: www.glidinginternational.com) (Postal address: 79 5th Ave, Tauranga, N.Z.) Dear John, I tried to renew my subscription on line a few weeks back but have not received any email confirmation. Can youn advise if my subscription has been renewed. Peter Champness melbourne ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW Come Get It Trophy
Thanks Jarek. From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of jar...@optusnet.com.au Sent: Thursday, 9 May 2013 2:48 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW Come Get It Trophy ...then it went to Raywood, Bacchus Marsh (Geelong GC), Arrarat and back to Bacchus Marsh (Geelong GC). Regards Jarek - Original Message - From: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Cc: Sent: Thu, 9 May 2013 14:37:03 +1000 Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW Come Get It Trophy Victoria, I'm not sure where right now. It was claimed by Mark Bland a few years ago when he flew over the hills from Mt Beauty to Bunyan to claim it, a great flight and what it's all about. It had been at Bunyan for many years prior to that. Stuart FERGUSON Phone - 0419 797508 On 09/05/2013, at 14:07, Mike Timbrell mike.timbr...@techpack.net.au wrote: Can anyone tell me where the trophy currently resides? mike ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _ Email sent using Optus Webmail ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] NSW Come Get It Trophy
Can anyone tell me where the trophy currently resides? mike ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring
G’day Gary,
I knew I should never have used that heavy paper in those hypothetical exams!
BTW, the text is Italian. “There is half a sea between saying doing.”
mike
From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of
gstev...@bigpond.com
Sent: Thursday, 7 March 2013 11:15 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring
Hi Tim,
Roaming hands are common worldwide, but the Romans are now gone, and except for
specialists - have you read the ultimate text (The Specialist), on dunny
building by the way? - {another example of lost knowledge}, so is the Latin
language! Thank God for google fish, but I am a bit confused as to what ear I
should put it in.
Your post reminds me of one (possibly hypothetical), way of grading exam
papers. Find a building higher than one storey, go to the head of the stairs,
and then toss all exam papers into the ether. They will all come to earth, and
it is then a simple matter to grade the papers. The ones that go furthest get
the highest mark, and the ones that land closest to the stairs get the lowest
mark. Warning: Please be aware that sometimes bullshit baffles brains! In
essence, it is a bit like scoring a glider competition really!
Thanks for your recent advice on using flarm for logging gold and silver badge
flights. I had a nice flight - was it only yesterday?
The wheel turns. Hope your own Wednesday flight was good value?
Gary
- Original Message -
From: Tim Shirley mailto:tshir...@internode.on.net
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring
The best handicap system I have heard of for gliding (admittedly theroretical)
worked like this.
1. At the start of the competition each pilot nominates the value of his
or her glider. These valuations are made public.
2. The handicaps are then based on the pilots valuation according to some
fairly simple formula – the lower value, the more favourable the handicap of
course.
3. The he pilot signs a guarantee that they will sell the glider to
anyone who comes up with the valuation figure, at the end of the competition.
That should sort out the problem quite nicely I think. Anyone interested in a
cheap JS1 that just won the Nationals? J
And, for those who have posted on this topic without ever having organised,
scored or handicapped a gliding competition, or in fact have done anything here
except bitch about those that do, there are a few words just under my signature
below. Google translator will soon tell you why they are relevant to you.
Do it yourselves next time.
Cheers
Tim
Tra dire e fare c’è mezzo il mare
From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of
gstev...@bigpond.com
Sent: Thursday, 7 March 2013 20:41
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring
Peter,
That is an interesting suggestion! I wonder if it could be practically (and
fairly), done?
Re poor task setting, I tend to think that your objection 'having to start
early/finish late is actually as a general principle, just the opposite - at a
National level and probably a State level too, this is what good tasking should
be all about! In general, the task setting at most competitions, on most
reasonably soarable days, is far too conservative. {Everybody, please carefully
note those two provisos - most reasonably!}
Having said that, I tend to agree with your last paragraph, which then gets
back to the question I raised in my first paragraph above.
The points noted by Matthew Scutter, in his email below, are all reasonable
too. Emilis Prelgauskas in a recent posting on this site, talked (amongst other
things), about some of the problems facing the gliding movement in this
country, including a gradual loss of knowledge held collectively by the
membership, and knowledge (mostly), lost to the current Board and those
administrating the GFA system. Once upon a time - I think it was just around
the time of the introduction of computers into gliding scoring - a guy called
Murray Evans (Murray-Evans?), came up with a system that related everybody's
performance back to their glider polar, and the results for the day were then
corrected. The system was tried once, and promptly abandoned, as being
unworkable - which was fair enough at the time. The first and possibly major
problem then, was obtaining realistic polars, for the gliders competing. Number
crunching (laughable today), was also a problem, as I recall. In my view, it
might now prove profitable to revisit the principles of the ME concept, and
check their workability in the current hi-tek
Re: [Aus-soaring] certification
If it's not on the internet, it can't be true. mike From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Thursday, 23 August 2012 10:02 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] certification Ah the joys and benefits of certification by government bureaucrats. http://www.avweb.com/avwebbiz/news/Pipistrel_Imports_Suspended_207237-1.html Mike Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/ tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Practice hook up procedure
Far too sensible Harry. Mike Timbrell From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Harry Sent: Tuesday, 20 March 2012 8:45 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Practice hook up procedure Hi All, After going through the hook up procedures with a trainee I always ask ”is this what you would do in a real emergency?” The answer is always yes. I reply “what about using the radio – much safer” The GFA manuals should be brought up to date. The effort for many years was to avoid making the carriage of a radio in a glider mandatory and all procedures assume a radio is unavailable. Harry Medlicott From: John Parncutt mailto:jparn...@bigpond.net.au Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 9:12 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Practice hook up procedure The weak link MUST be placed at the tug end of the rope, otherwise it can’t protect the tug in the event of fence strikes. We used to use a short length of 6mm rope as the weak link which was less risk of damaging the glider if it were to fail. However we have now moved from this method to the more precise Tost weak link with the calibrated dual links. One thing I would suggest is that the Tost link is attached so that if it fails the housing of the weak link stays at the tug end, which means less bits coming back towards the glider! John Parncutt From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ian Mc Phee Sent: Monday, 19 March 2012 6:55 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Practice hook up procedure My experience is a weak link at the tow plane end where it does not get damaged by wear (dragged on ground at landing) etc and if a light glider is used then maybe another weak link is clipped in to end of rope at glider end. I am not too keen on extra weight on the glider end of rope as could do damage to glider canopies. I believe it cut badly into rear of wing of glider and rope eventually broke near the tug. I am sure somebody will fill us all in eventually Ian M On 19 March 2012 12:36, tom.wilk...@internode.on.net wrote: Though I don't understand much about this specific incident, surely having the rope wrapped around the back of the wind would cause some of the load in the rope to be distributed into the wing itself? This would mean the section of rope between the wing and the hook would be under less load than the rest of the rope and therefor the weak link wouldn't break? Just a theory Tom - Original Message - From: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Cc: Sent: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 11:34:48 +1100 Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Practice hook up procedure There is a brief report on GFA web site but no mention of why weak link failed to break before the damage was done. I am not trying to upset club members. Ian M On 19 March 2012 10:57, Ben Jones bjo...@pipecomp.com.au wrote: What happened in WA is such a secret, the members haven’t been informed yet. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] AEF fees, Funding, and the Demise of Gliding
We might start by getting feedback from students about instructors. The way
it is now, once you get a ticket you are there for as long as you want. Dud
or not.
Mike
From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Stuart
Kerri FERGUSON
Sent: Thursday, 8 September 2011 6:25 PM
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] AEF fees, Funding, and the Demise of Gliding
Tim,
As usual you hit the nail on the head J it is about the service.
Problem is that the service levels are inconsistent, some instructor, duty
pilot combinations
treat visitors like VIPs and enjoy showing off their club and our sport,
others do not. Not sure
how you improve this with volunteer workers; any ideas.
From the tug; a good Duty Pilot can make a busy day flow and everyone is
happy; a duty pilot who
is not maintaining situational awareness can make a quite day very
frustrating!
SDF
From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Tim Shirley
Sent: Thursday, 8 September 2011 9:13 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] AEF fees, Funding, and the Demise of Gliding
Hi all,
At GCV in Benalla we have three levels of AEF ranging in price from $135 to
$235.
The vast majority of those who take them up buy the most expensive version,
and most make a 400km round trip from Melbourne for the experience.
It's not the price, it's the service. You can book online, and through
gift websites, receive vouchers that can be redeemed at a convenient time,
and we are very flexible about weather, cancellations and re-booking.
Personally, if I feel the passenger has not had full value I will offer to
take them for a second flight at my own expense. Quality and service is
remembered long after price is forgotten.
GCV gets few new members this way, but plenty of revenue, so we may as well
charge what the market will pay. Recruits come from those with a more
sporting interest, or who are already interested in gliding rather than
other types of aviation. Judging by our last season's crop, most of them
are hanging out for the cross-country course in November and wondering how
to get into the LS4 before then.
The current problems with gliding are caused by sticking to a business model
and organisational structure that was effective in the period up to about
1980. No other business which believed that would be around for long - why
do we?
Gliding does not appear to be demising at the top end of the sport. Read
the magazine if you don't believe that - almost every page is filled with
articles about competitions and high-tech (and yes, high cost) equipment.
The featured club at Lake Keepit makes its money from people who drive 400km
from Sydney, or who attend competitions and other events there. Every year
well-heeled gliding tourists arrive at Narromine, Corowa, Benalla and
other places with containers full of top end gliders. It's not all doom and
gloom.
You can learn to fly in a Tecnam (or a Blanik), but have you ever heard of a
World Championships for them? And in which other branch of aviation can you
fly a ASG29 or JS1, or anything even vaguely approaching them?
We need to sell our strengths (preferably to doctors and lawyers), and stop
lamenting a lost era. Perhaps in the future we'll have less members and
less small clubs, but a healthier sport. We need to face facts and finally
admit that we are no longer a cut price flying training outfit.
Cheers
Tim
tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare
On 8/09/2011 12:33, gstev...@bigpond.com wrote:
Hi Macca, JR, All,
A couple of very nice postings, that gives some perspective, on this vexing
subject.
Yeah the AEF fee to GFA is large, but I have never heard of any AEF person
bucking about this. I very much suspect that much of this is because they
really don't understand just what is going on here (despite a briefing by an
experienced club member, and signing their life away)! Possibly they are
focused on the goal, which is of course as it should be - to go flying.
However if you bother to read the communications from the GFA, you will find
that this fee has been set on the basis that somebody has to pay for the
administration of our sport. In a nutshell under the current thinking, if
the AEF people don't contribute, then it is YOU who must pay more. It is all
about balancing the books.
In the very short term, Macca's response now leads me to suggest the
following: Keep the AEF fee the same, but increase the 3 day membership to 3
months. { I suspect that the current number of 3 month memberships is VERY
low.} I haven't done any research here, but I bet that my proposal will not
make the slightest bit of difference to revenue collected, and JUST MAYBE it
might get the movement an additional member or
Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney
I am afraid that aircraft is not our Foka 4 GUW. I only have photos of the wreck now and the colour layout is different, same comp. number or not. Also the ID Plate shows our being built in 1967... bit of a mystery really. I wish it was ours because it's a great photo. Mike From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Kenneth Caldwell Sent: Monday, 5 September 2011 3:44 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Attached is a photo of the Foka, competition number 70, taken at the Seventh Australian National Gliding Championships held at Narromine (27th December 1966 - 9th January 1967). The Waikerie Boomerang is in the background. The Foka pilots were Jan Coolhaas and John Blackwell. Graham's photo is probably of Trevor Kyle's Foka 3 which he flew with Jan Coolhaas in the Sixth Nationals at Waikerie. Ken On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Mike Timbrell mike.timbr...@techpack.net.au wrote: No Graham, our Foka 4A had the reverse colouring. Mostly white with a burnt orange flash down the fuse. GUW. It was a beautiful thing to fly. I have now located the original identification plate. Build year 1967. Too bad, it would have been a good story. Mike -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Graham Watts Sent: Monday, 5 September 2011 11:30 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Is this the one? I took this photo in 1965 or 1966 at Camden. George Detto in the cockpit if I remember. Graham On 4/09/2011 10:27 PM, Paul Mander wrote: Small world, Jarek. Having finally got to look at the footage, I see Foka IV, competition number 70. That was in 1965. In 1969 Mike Timbrell, a couple of other Sydney Tech Gliding Club members and I bought a Foka IV from the Bathurst Soaring Group, a syndicate of eight that included Merv Waghorn. They had owned the glider for a few years, so it must have been imported soon after 1965. It had competition number 70 on the fin, in exactly the same style as in the film. I think there is a strong chance that this is the same glider. I did my Silver and Gold flights in it, and thereby established some great friendships with members of the old Concordia Gliding Club during their camps at Forbes. We had that very rigging tool, never had a problem but one had to be careful with alignment. Sadly, the glider was written off in a take off accident; the Foka IV had huge spoilers, far too much drag for a mere Auster to overcome. It was an interesting glider, all wood, having no spar. It depended on its thick plywood skins for the wings' strength. We encountered glue problems which thereafter always lurked, in my mind at least. Might have been a good thing that it went. Apart from that, I've always thought it to be the best wooden glider ever made. Another connection; I was taken for my first glider flight in 1968 by Peter Hanneman, ex RAF Red Arrows and recent New Australian. What chance that he was flying one of the (?) Hawker Hunters in the Opening Day aerobatic display? Peter may even have had a hand in the glider's purchase and he lives in Bathurst. Mike Timbrell is in a position to check, and I'm sure he'll let us know. Thanks for the memories. Paul Mander -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jarek Mosiejewski Sent: Wednesday, 18 May 2011 6:44 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Something about Fokas but on much happier note. Recently discovered in the archives, Polish propaganda movie about the 1965 World Comps in South Cerney from the Polish team perspective: http://www.flyingtv.pl/film,lotnictwo62,filmy-0,ile-10,samolot-415.htm l If you can bear the comments in Polish, a very slow server and lengthy socialist propaganda scenes, there are some interesting moments showing the world comps in the 60b , including a Foka being rigged with the proper T-wrench. Regards Jarek ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney
Well, I wouldn't say lost. Maybe misplaced. It's such a crowded little country, isn't it? -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Christopher Mc Donnell Sent: Monday, 5 September 2011 5:08 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney I recall Wally Wallington showing us the outlanding maps from that comp. The Aussies were always way out on their own because they weren't used to visual navigation over the crowded English landscape. Is that a polite way of saying lost? - Original Message - From: Mike Timbrell mike.timbr...@techpack.net.au To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net; jar...@optusnet.com.au Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Peter Hanneman can't recall offhand where they bought the Foka but thinks it was an offshore purchase probably arranged by Werner Geisler. Johnny Blackwell might recall. Our 70 didn't have a stroke through the 7 and it was an Australian issued number but Peter thinks it could easily have been issued on the basis of the provenance of the aircraft. He wasn't flying in the aerobatic display but he was at South Cerney as the captain of the Irish team into which he and his friend Cohen were recruited as guest Irishmen. I recall Wally Wallington showing us the outlanding maps from that comp. The Aussies were always way out on their own because they weren't used to visual navigation over the crowded English landscape. Mike -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Paul Mander Sent: Monday, 5 September 2011 12:28 AM To: jar...@optusnet.com.au; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Cc: 'Mike Timbrell' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Small world, Jarek. Having finally got to look at the footage, I see Foka IV, competition number 70. That was in 1965. In 1969 Mike Timbrell, a couple of other Sydney Tech Gliding Club members and I bought a Foka IV from the Bathurst Soaring Group, a syndicate of eight that included Merv Waghorn. They had owned the glider for a few years, so it must have been imported soon after 1965. It had competition number 70 on the fin, in exactly the same style as in the film. I think there is a strong chance that this is the same glider. I did my Silver and Gold flights in it, and thereby established some great friendships with members of the old Concordia Gliding Club during their camps at Forbes. We had that very rigging tool, never had a problem but one had to be careful with alignment. Sadly, the glider was written off in a take off accident; the Foka IV had huge spoilers, far too much drag for a mere Auster to overcome. It was an interesting glider, all wood, having no spar. It depended on its thick plywood skins for the wings' strength. We encountered glue problems which thereafter always lurked, in my mind at least. Might have been a good thing that it went. Apart from that, I've always thought it to be the best wooden glider ever made. Another connection; I was taken for my first glider flight in 1968 by Peter Hanneman, ex RAF Red Arrows and recent New Australian. What chance that he was flying one of the (?) Hawker Hunters in the Opening Day aerobatic display? Peter may even have had a hand in the glider's purchase and he lives in Bathurst. Mike Timbrell is in a position to check, and I'm sure he'll let us know. Thanks for the memories. Paul Mander -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jarek Mosiejewski Sent: Wednesday, 18 May 2011 6:44 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Something about Fokas but on much happier note. Recently discovered in the archives, Polish propaganda movie about the 1965 World Comps in South Cerney from the Polish team perspective: http://www.flyingtv.pl/film,lotnictwo62,filmy-0,ile-10,samolot-415.html If you can bear the comments in Polish, a very slow server and lengthy socialist propaganda scenes, there are some interesting moments showing the world comps in the 60b, including a Foka being rigged with the proper T-wrench. Regards Jarek ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo
Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney
Hey Chris, that's a bit bolshy considering I am looking at photos the original registration plate. Not much memory needed there. Mike From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Christopher Mc Donnell Sent: Monday, 5 September 2011 7:08 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Mike, perhaps the Gliding Federation of Australia Inc. maintainers of the registration and ownership of gliders records could be of assistance to your memory. - Original Message - From: Mike Timbrell mailto:mike.timbr...@techpack.net.au To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney I am afraid that aircraft is not our Foka 4 GUW. I only have photos of the wreck now and the colour layout is different, same comp. number or not. Also the ID Plate shows our being built in 1967... bit of a mystery really. I wish it was ours because it's a great photo. Mike From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Kenneth Caldwell Sent: Monday, 5 September 2011 3:44 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Attached is a photo of the Foka, competition number 70, taken at the Seventh Australian National Gliding Championships held at Narromine (27th December 1966 - 9th January 1967). The Waikerie Boomerang is in the background. The Foka pilots were Jan Coolhaas and John Blackwell. Graham's photo is probably of Trevor Kyle's Foka 3 which he flew with Jan Coolhaas in the Sixth Nationals at Waikerie. Ken On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Mike Timbrell mike.timbr...@techpack.net.au wrote: No Graham, our Foka 4A had the reverse colouring. Mostly white with a burnt orange flash down the fuse. GUW. It was a beautiful thing to fly. I have now located the original identification plate. Build year 1967. Too bad, it would have been a good story. Mike -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Graham Watts Sent: Monday, 5 September 2011 11:30 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Is this the one? I took this photo in 1965 or 1966 at Camden. George Detto in the cockpit if I remember. Graham On 4/09/2011 10:27 PM, Paul Mander wrote: Small world, Jarek. Having finally got to look at the footage, I see Foka IV, competition number 70. That was in 1965. In 1969 Mike Timbrell, a couple of other Sydney Tech Gliding Club members and I bought a Foka IV from the Bathurst Soaring Group, a syndicate of eight that included Merv Waghorn. They had owned the glider for a few years, so it must have been imported soon after 1965. It had competition number 70 on the fin, in exactly the same style as in the film. I think there is a strong chance that this is the same glider. I did my Silver and Gold flights in it, and thereby established some great friendships with members of the old Concordia Gliding Club during their camps at Forbes. We had that very rigging tool, never had a problem but one had to be careful with alignment. Sadly, the glider was written off in a take off accident; the Foka IV had huge spoilers, far too much drag for a mere Auster to overcome. It was an interesting glider, all wood, having no spar. It depended on its thick plywood skins for the wings' strength. We encountered glue problems which thereafter always lurked, in my mind at least. Might have been a good thing that it went. Apart from that, I've always thought it to be the best wooden glider ever made. Another connection; I was taken for my first glider flight in 1968 by Peter Hanneman, ex RAF Red Arrows and recent New Australian. What chance that he was flying one of the (?) Hawker Hunters in the Opening Day aerobatic display? Peter may even have had a hand in the glider's purchase and he lives in Bathurst. Mike Timbrell is in a position to check, and I'm sure he'll let us know. Thanks for the memories. Paul Mander -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jarek Mosiejewski Sent: Wednesday, 18 May 2011 6:44 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Something about Fokas but on much happier note. Recently discovered in the archives, Polish propaganda movie about the 1965 World Comps in South Cerney from the Polish team perspective: http://www.flyingtv.pl/film,lotnictwo62,filmy-0,ile-10,samolot-415.htm l If you can bear the comments in Polish, a very slow server and lengthy
Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney
Peter Hanneman can't recall offhand where they bought the Foka but thinks it was an offshore purchase probably arranged by Werner Geisler. Johnny Blackwell might recall. Our 70 didn't have a stroke through the 7 and it was an Australian issued number but Peter thinks it could easily have been issued on the basis of the provenance of the aircraft. He wasn't flying in the aerobatic display but he was at South Cerney as the captain of the Irish team into which he and his friend Cohen were recruited as guest Irishmen. I recall Wally Wallington showing us the outlanding maps from that comp. The Aussies were always way out on their own because they weren't used to visual navigation over the crowded English landscape. Mike -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Paul Mander Sent: Monday, 5 September 2011 12:28 AM To: jar...@optusnet.com.au; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Cc: 'Mike Timbrell' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Small world, Jarek. Having finally got to look at the footage, I see Foka IV, competition number 70. That was in 1965. In 1969 Mike Timbrell, a couple of other Sydney Tech Gliding Club members and I bought a Foka IV from the Bathurst Soaring Group, a syndicate of eight that included Merv Waghorn. They had owned the glider for a few years, so it must have been imported soon after 1965. It had competition number 70 on the fin, in exactly the same style as in the film. I think there is a strong chance that this is the same glider. I did my Silver and Gold flights in it, and thereby established some great friendships with members of the old Concordia Gliding Club during their camps at Forbes. We had that very rigging tool, never had a problem but one had to be careful with alignment. Sadly, the glider was written off in a take off accident; the Foka IV had huge spoilers, far too much drag for a mere Auster to overcome. It was an interesting glider, all wood, having no spar. It depended on its thick plywood skins for the wings' strength. We encountered glue problems which thereafter always lurked, in my mind at least. Might have been a good thing that it went. Apart from that, I've always thought it to be the best wooden glider ever made. Another connection; I was taken for my first glider flight in 1968 by Peter Hanneman, ex RAF Red Arrows and recent New Australian. What chance that he was flying one of the (?) Hawker Hunters in the Opening Day aerobatic display? Peter may even have had a hand in the glider's purchase and he lives in Bathurst. Mike Timbrell is in a position to check, and I'm sure he'll let us know. Thanks for the memories. Paul Mander -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jarek Mosiejewski Sent: Wednesday, 18 May 2011 6:44 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Something about Fokas but on much happier note. Recently discovered in the archives, Polish propaganda movie about the 1965 World Comps in South Cerney from the Polish team perspective: http://www.flyingtv.pl/film,lotnictwo62,filmy-0,ile-10,samolot-415.html If you can bear the comments in Polish, a very slow server and lengthy socialist propaganda scenes, there are some interesting moments showing the world comps in the 60b, including a Foka being rigged with the proper T-wrench. Regards Jarek ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Stalls
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