[Aus-soaring] Two Seat Nationals Entries Are Now
Narromine Gliding Club is proud to have been selected to hold the 20m and Open Class 2 Seat Nationals for the 5th consecutive year at Narromine from 14 February 2016 through 21 February 2016. The website is now set up to accept your entries! Simply click on the following link to go to the comp website, then click the ENTRY FORM button and provide the required details. www.narromineglidingclub.com.au/NarromineTwoSeat/2016 TwoSeat Nats.html We look forward to meeting you, to welcoming back previous contestants and having some great flying over the contest period. Narromine Gliding Club _ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Two Seat Nationals Entries Are Now Open
Narromine Gliding Club is proud to have been selected to hold the 20m and Open Class 2 Seat Nationals for the 5th consecutive year at Narromine from 14 February 2016 through 21 February 2016. The website is now set up to accept your entries! Simply click on the following link to go to the comp website, then click the ENTRY FORM button and provide the required details. www.narromineglidingclub.com.au/NarromineTwoSeat/2016 TwoSeat Nats.html We look forward to meeting you, to welcoming back previous contestants and having some great flying over the contest period. Narromine Gliding Club _ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Aerodynamics
Beautiful! And despite what CASA says, these guys had no problems mounting GoPro's on the wings. ROSS _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Thursday, 27 August 2015 6:22 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Aerodynamics http://www.airspacemag.com/daily-planet/bugatti-racer-finally-takes-flight-1 80956361/ Look at the blended wing/fuselage intersection at the leading edge. Mike Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/ tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] try it out
I certainly saw it before Derek posted his response Mark. ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mark Newton Sent: Wednesday, 19 August 2015 2:31 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] try it out On Aug 18, 2015, at 9:40 AM, Derek Ruddock drudd...@iinet.net.au wrote: As if anyone is foolish enough to click on a link like this… I don’t think anybody on aus-soaring saw the link until you forwarded it to the list, because non-subscriber posts are rejected specifically to keep things like this away. But you’re a subscriber, so it accepted your message just fine. So whatever it is, you’ve exposed several hundred people who wouldn’t have otherwise seen it. :-) Just sayin’. (and yes: Kinda silly to click on things like this. And to forward them.) - mark ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Embedded links in email posts to this forum
I have noticed a few emails arriving in this forum which include just a website link and no other comment except something like Hey click on this! etc in the title. They are nasty and will usually install a trojan horse or some other nasty bug on your computer if you click on the link. SO PLEASE DON'T CLICK ON THE LINK!! In order to differentiate our genuine posts with embedded links to real sites that are relevant to the discussion can I suggest that you annotate the link with a relevant comment like, the attached link will take you to the news site to see this video... blah blah etc. This allows readers to know which are nasty and which are part of our forum discussion. Just an idea. Cheers, ROSS ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] FW: Micro burst
Awesome!! No wonder a microburst can bring an airliner down. ROSS _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of trevor.bu...@bigpond.com Sent: Saturday, 15 August 2015 6:30 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] FW: Micro burst _ From: trevor.bu...@bigpond.com [mailto:trevor.bu...@bigpond.com] Sent: Friday, 14 August 2015 8:54 PM To: skysailin...@gmail.com Subject: Micro burst http://devour.com/video/tuson-microburst/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] EGC, WWGC 13.5m
Thanks WPP, Kerrie and Jo did well considering the remarkably difficult gliding conditions in Denmark compared to Aus. Good on them. However Morgan Sandercock has done extraordinarily well in the 13.5m World Championships in Lithuania coming in 5th place flying the Sparrowhawk. Congratulations Morgan! I can still see him walking down the runway at Kingaroy towing his Duckhawk to the grid with one hand. LOL Tobi Geiger is currently running Second in Club Class at Lithuania and Dylan Lampard is in third just behind Mak Ichikawa in Mixed Class at Lithuania. For all the G Dale fans, G has finished in fourth place at the European Club Class Championships in Rieti, just 200 points behind first place. 1st Std Cirrus, 2nd Std Cirrus, 3rd LS1F, 4th Libelle. Well done everyone. ROSS _ Ross McLean Mobile: + 61 488 270 105 Telephone: + 61 7 4325 4771 From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of go_soaring Sent: Sunday, 16 August 2015 10:56 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] EGC, WWGC 13.5m The Europeans held in Rieti (Italy) are now all over, as are the Women's Worlds (Denmark) the 13.5m Worlds (Lithuania). Congrats to all Aussies competing, represented us all very proudly, loved all the Facebook reports too :) Europeans STD Class: Discus 2, first 4 places 15m Class: Ventus 2 Club Class: Std Cirrus, first 2 places WWGC STD Class: LS8, first 7 places; 15m Class: G29, first 4 places; Club Class: Std Libelle, first 2 places; 13.5m Diana 2 Versus Cheers, WPP ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] 2016 TWO SEAT NATIONAL GLIDING COMPETITION
Hi Everyone The GFA has once again ratified the Narromine Gliding Club and Narromine Airfield as the Competition host for the 2016 Australian Two Seat National Gliding Competition. It will mark the Fifth time this event has been held in Australia and the Narromine Gliding Club is just delighted to be selected again as the site to run this exciting Competition. Competition Dates are: Sunday 14 February 2016 to Sunday 21 February 2016 Entries MUST be received by January 1st 2016 Practice Day is Sunday 14 February 2016 with the first Competition Day on Monday 15th February 2016. The competition is ballasted and will be run in two classes, 2 Seat Open Class and 20m 2 Seat Class. National MultiClass Handicaps, Rules (except wingspan related) and tasks will be identical for both classes. Each class will attract its own trophy and National Champion. ANY 2 SEAT Glider will be eligible to compete in the 2 Seat Open Class Championship. Only 2 Seat Gliders with a 20m wingspan will be eligible for the 20m 2 Seat Championships Winners of the 20m Two Seat Championship will be eligible for selection to represent Australia at the World 20m Two Seat Championship. _ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] From soaring to Drone racing.
And he seemed like such a nice lovely guy _ Ross -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Justin Sinclair Sent: Friday, 12 June 2015 6:16 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] From soaring to Drone racing. So this is where Chad went to. https://au.news.yahoo.com/video/watch/26772047/drone-racing-on-the-rise/?cmp =st Sent from my iPad ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Advanced Soaring Made Easy now also available in French
Congrat's Bernard. It is an outstanding publication worthy of the translation effort. ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Future Aviation Sent: Thursday, 28 May 2015 12:56 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] Advanced Soaring Made Easy now also available in French Good morning all I don’t think that anyone in Australia would show even the slightest bit of interest but you should be the first to know that Advanced Soaring Made Easy is now also available in French with the title: Maitriser le vol a voile” The Japanese version will soon become available as an e-book and two Spanish glider pilots have just been granted permission to translate the book for their fellow gliding addicts. I will keep you posted on their progress! Kind regards from Germany! Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] 2016 Australian Two Seat National Gliding Championship
The GFA Sports Committee have approved Narromine Gliding Club as the host club for the 2016 Australian Two Seat National Gliding Championship. The competition will be held at Narromine in February 2016. Final approved dates will be announced shortly. As in the 2015 competition, the club plans to run the competition in two classes, 20m Two Seat Class and Open Two Seat Class. Both classes will be tasked and launched together but scored separately. Trophies will be awarded to the National 20m Two Seat Champions and the National Open Class Two Seat Champions. The National 20m Two Seat Champions will be eligible for selection to represent Australia at the 20m Two Seat World Championships. ROSS ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Two seater Nats
Hi Ron Apparently there was some discussion about holding the comps at another venue. That didn't proceed so now NGC is seeking Sports committee ratification to hold them at Narromine in February. Will you come this time? Cheers, ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ron Sanders Sent: Sunday, 3 May 2015 11:57 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] Two seater Nats Just wondering why this competition is not listed in GlidingAustralia.org in the calendar?? Ron ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] varios, redundancy
Yes, on several occasions. First time was halfway around the task in the Nationals. Always due to main battery failure so I lost the main flight computer and audio as well. The Winter got me home every time. I learned to soar on manual varios with no audio so it was just back to basics. On two occasions I used WinPilot running on its own battery for my averager but it was a pain. I now have triple battery systems, dual loggers (LX9000 plus Colibri II), dual GPS and electric + mechanical vario's. ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of James Dutschke Sent: Monday, 27 April 2015 7:55 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] varios, redundancy Straw poll. Has anyone, had a vario failure. Sent from my iPhone On 27 Apr 2015, at 19:14, Nick Gilbert cirru...@gmail.com wrote: Surely a backup electric vario is a more useful backup than a mechanical? With its own emergency battery you get a backup audio and averager as well as the needle. With all the stress that goes with a power failure having to stare at the instrument would make things worse. Nick On 27 Apr 2015, at 5:41 pm, Peter Champness plchampn...@gmail.com wrote: I have just been choosing instruments for a new glider. I did wonder for a moment after reading Adam's post whether I had wasted money on the Winter Vario. However I agree with Mike. A set on basic instruments (redundancy) is good insurance. In my case I have something in case of electrical failure. No doubt thermal can be found and used without any instruments, but it difficult. On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: At 08:14 AM 27/04/2015, you wrote: There’s no need for a winter backup now Maybe not a Winter vario as backup but you should have a backup. Adam's advice is probably the silliest thing I've read in a long time. The only time you may reasonably want to rely on one vario is in a motorglider if you are prepared to start the motor and fly home if the single vario fails. Too bad if you are half way round a 500km triangle and set to win the Nationals if you do reasonably this day. For the paleo engineless gliders you are likely to risk an outlanding with its attendant hazards. Pretty stupid to risk breaking your glider or yourself over lack of a backup. If you are serious about competition you should be equipped to cope with single failures of equipment. Most people carry two flight recorders for good reason. A main navigation system and some reasonable backup is also necessary. Hint: fly with the backups working. The time to find out they have failed is NOT when you've had another failure. The backup vario may also have a different speed of response and will likely just display TE vario. Your primary should be showing netto (airmass) or relative netto ( airmass offset down by the sink rate in circling flight - this means it always shows the rate of climb you would get if you slowed down and circled, no matter your current airspeed). The two varios may show slightly different information without changing modes which can be useful. We've all had even modern electronic equipment fail. Phones, PC's GPS , etc etc. It is pretty good nowadays but anyone doing what Adam says is tempting fate, Murphy's Law and what a physics teacher of mine called the innate cussedness of inanimate matter. When you decide to use a backup you might like to consider that the Winter doesn't have an audio or an averager. Do you really want to be sharing thermals with other gliders without an audio? If flying cross country you would find you would miss the averager. If you have a backup electronic vario it should have its own independent backup power supply. While a glider electrical system can be fused properly so that the radio for example developing an internal short doesn't take out the main battery fuse (and if everything dies because of this or similar , are you going to simply flip the switch to battery 2 and take out *its* fuse also?) I suspect many aren't. If you decide to join the 21st century for your backup vario get in touch and I'll sell you something you'll be happy to fly with when you need it. Mike Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/ tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Re: [Aus-soaring] Flarm support (still) non existant
Nigel Andrews was the Australian Flarm manufacturer maybe he could help you. ROSS ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Blanik Flights [Was] Early X/C pilots
There was a long standing tradition for many years that Mark Bland and various co-pilots would fly the Blanik from Mt Beauty to Narromine and return during Narromine Cup week. ROSS _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of stephenk Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2015 8:38 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] Blanik Flights [Was] Early X/C pilots On 16/02/2015 9:30 PM, Gary Stevenson wrote: ... Question: Does anybody have an idea as to the max distance a K13/Blanik has flown in Australia? I seem to recall that a Blanik once held a World Record with a distance flight of over 800 k. ... No, I don't know what the longest is, but in 1989 Port Augusta Gliding Club won the two seater decentralised competition with two 300s and a 500 in a Blanik. If my memory serves me correctly the second place getter was a certain large club who flew long flights in a high performance glider (possible ASH25 but my memory is hazy) including one 1000km. But we beat them on handicap. Regards SWK ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Two Seat Nationals at Narromine
http://www.narromineglidingclub.com.au/NarromineTwoSeat/FourthTwoSeat Nats.html http://www.narromineglidingclub.com.au/NarromineTwoSeat/FourthTwoSeat%20Nats.html Two Seat Nationals at Narromine are running close and hot. At Day 5 it is still anyone's comp to win. See the scoring on Soaring Spot http://www.soaringspot.com/austwoseat2015/results/ Read the news on the Blog site http://2015twoseatnationals.blogspot.com.au/ Track the gliders live at http://www.livetrack24.com/ ROSS ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] ABC report benalla accident.
David is on the ground at Benalla. 1558 km in 11 Hr 45. What a fantastic flight. He over shot Benalla and turned back at Lake Eildon in the hills to the south adding another 100km then overshot again to the east and turned back at Wangaratta. If the day is still going then keep going! No accident, I know David. David has had this flight (and many, many others) planned for ages and each day he checks the ISO charts for the right pattern. When it looks right he is already prepared and launches as early as the day permits. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Then one day it turns out like it did today and Perfect Planning Produced A Perfect Performance. It helps that he is also a superb soaring pilot I guess. _ Ross McLean -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ron Sanders Sent: Friday, 2 January 2015 6:47 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] ABC report benalla accident. I hope we find out very soon what happened. Ron On 2 Jan 2015, at 5:25 pm, opsw...@bigpond.net.au opsw...@bigpond.net.au wrote: not good http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-02/person-killed-in-gliding-acciden t-in-vic-chesney-vale/5997616 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Glenn
Yes, sorry about that. It was because I replied to Ron's post. _ Ross McLean Mobile: + 61 488 270 105 Telephone: + 61 7 4325 4771 -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Glenn McLean Sent: Friday, 2 January 2015 10:42 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] ABC report benalla accident. Ross, That topic headline line reported a fatality at Bennalla today, it was not to do with Davids flight. Glenn On 2/01/2015 9:16 PM, Ross McLean wrote: David is on the ground at Benalla. 1558 km in 11 Hr 45. What a fantastic flight. He over shot Benalla and turned back at Lake Eildon in the hills to the south adding another 100km then overshot again to the east and turned back at Wangaratta. If the day is still going then keep going! No accident, I know David. David has had this flight (and many, many others) planned for ages and each day he checks the ISO charts for the right pattern. When it looks right he is already prepared and launches as early as the day permits. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Then one day it turns out like it did today and Perfect Planning Produced A Perfect Performance. It helps that he is also a superb soaring pilot I guess. _ Ross McLean -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ron Sanders Sent: Friday, 2 January 2015 6:47 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] ABC report benalla accident. I hope we find out very soon what happened. Ron On 2 Jan 2015, at 5:25 pm, opsw...@bigpond.net.au opsw...@bigpond.net.au wrote: not good http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-02/person-killed-in-gliding-acciden t-in-vic-chesney-vale/5997616 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] QLD flying over New Year long weekend
Hi Ben Kingaroy will be flying with independent operations, no instruction. Rob Butler will be towing at Kingaroy on January 1 and 2 with several pilots flying. You will need a minimum L1 independent operator rating to fly on those days. Cheers, ROSS _ Ross McLean Mobile: + 61 488 270 105 Telephone: + 61 7 4325 4771 From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ben Coleman Sent: Tuesday, 30 December 2014 11:02 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] QLD flying over New Year long weekend I'm considering a trek south to DDSC or Kingaroy if I can wangle the 2nd Jan off work. Does anyone here know if either will be flying on 2 Jan? Have recent storms put a dampener on flying? Thanks Ben ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Australian Two Seat National Gliding Championship
We now have ten gliders entered in the two seat nationals so far with several more on the way. The entries include several gliders in the new Open Class 2 Seat Championship. Already entered are several Arcus, a host of Duo Discus and several DG1000's. We also have an ASH25 and a DG500! it is going to be a great comp at Narromine in January so if you can get access to a two seater then grab it plus a mate or a junior pilot from your club and enter this comp. Literally ANY two seater from an EB29 Duo to an IS28 (LOL) can enter the Two Seat Open Class and any Duo Discus, Arcus or DG1000/1001 can enter the 20m Two Seat Championship. Click on the link below to go straight to the ONLINE ENTRY FORM: Enter The Australian Two Seat National Gliding Championship http://glidingqueensland.org.au/comps/info.php?comp_id=3 Click on the link below to go straight to the Competition Website: Fourth Australian Two Seat National Gliding Championship http://www.narromineglidingclub.com.au/NarromineTwoSeat/FourthTwoSeat%20Nats.html Click on the link below to go straight to the Competition Facebook page: Facebook for Australian https://www.facebook.com/pages/Australian-Two-Seat-National-Gliding-Championship/1512070125728236?sk=timelineref=page_internal Two Seat National Gliding Championship The Narromine Gliding Club is pleased to welcome all pilots, crew, families and friends to the event. We hope to make it a challenging event for the competitors and a fun event for everyone. BERYL From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ross McLean Sent: Friday, 12 December 2014 2:55 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: [Aus-soaring] Australian Two Seat National Gliding Championship Entries are open for the Fourth Australian Two Seat National Gliding Championship at Narromine NSW. Competition Dates are: Tuesday January 20 2015 to Wednesday January 28 2015 If you are planning to enter you are strongly encouraged to lodge your entry form NOW. Click on the link below to go straight to the ONLINE ENTRY FORM: Enter The Australian Two Seat National Gliding Championship http://glidingqueensland.org.au/comps/info.php?comp_id=3 Click on the link below to go straight to the Competition Website: Fourth Australian Two Seat National Gliding Championship http://www.narromineglidingclub.com.au/NarromineTwoSeat/FourthTwoSeat%20Nats.html It is now the fourth year that the Narromine Gliding Club has been selected to run the Competition, onsite registration will be available from Monday 19 January 2015. We have added another Class to the Competition. 2 Seat Open Class. This is a completely separate competition class from the 20m 2 Seat Class and will attract its own trophy and National Champion. ANY 2 SEAT Glider will be eligible to compete in the 2 Seat Open Class Championship. Handicaps, Rules and tasks will be identical to the 20m 2 Seat Championships (except those relating to wingspan) Practice Day is Tuesday 20 January 2015 with the first Competition Day on Wednesday 21 January 2015. The Narromine Gliding Club is pleased to welcome all pilots, crew, families and friends to the event. We hope to make it a challenging event for the competitors and a fun event for everyone. BERYL _ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Australian Two Seat National Gliding Championship
Entries are open for the Fourth Australian Two Seat National Gliding Championship at Narromine NSW. Competition Dates are: Tuesday January 20 2015 to Wednesday January 28 2015 If you are planning to enter you are strongly encouraged to lodge your entry form NOW. Click on the link below to go straight to the ONLINE ENTRY FORM: Enter The Australian Two Seat National Gliding Championship http://glidingqueensland.org.au/comps/info.php?comp_id=3 Click on the link below to go straight to the Competition Website: Fourth Australian Two Seat National Gliding Championship http://www.narromineglidingclub.com.au/NarromineTwoSeat/FourthTwoSeat%20Nats.html It is now the fourth year that the Narromine Gliding Club has been selected to run the Competition, onsite registration will be available from Monday 19 January 2015. We have added another Class to the Competition. 2 Seat Open Class. This is a completely separate competition class from the 20m 2 Seat Class and will attract its own trophy and National Champion. ANY 2 SEAT Glider will be eligible to compete in the 2 Seat Open Class Championship. Handicaps, Rules and tasks will be identical to the 20m 2 Seat Championships (except those relating to wingspan) Practice Day is Tuesday 20 January 2015 with the first Competition Day on Wednesday 21 January 2015. The Narromine Gliding Club is pleased to welcome all pilots, crew, families and friends to the event. We hope to make it a challenging event for the competitors and a fun event for everyone. BERYL _ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Pre-Loved XCOM 760 VHF
If anyone has or knows of a pre-loved XCOM 760 VHF radio please let me know as I am in the market to buy one for my Pitts S1S Thanks in advance. ROSS _ Ross McLean Mobile: + 61 488 270 105 Telephone: + 61 7 4325 4771 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Geoff Brown
Lisa Trotter should have it Ron. ROSS -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ron Sanders Sent: Friday, 31 October 2014 11:01 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] Geoff Brown Anybody know Air Marshall Geoff's private email address. Thanks Ron ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Bizarre Comp Rules...
Hi Michael The Competition Rules state that if a glider crosses the finish line then it is regarded as a valid finish. Jim's glider crossed the finish line, ergo a valid finish. The rules also call for the Competition Safety Committee, a peer pilot group formed from the attending experienced competition pilots, to be convened by the Comp Director and Safety Officer to discuss and assess all safety issues associated with such events as Jim's crash. If that committee then feels it is required, they can refer a recommendation to the Penalties Committee who will assess an appropriate points penalty. In Jim's case, the Safety Committee met, analysed the trace, discussed the incident and safety issues and spoke with the pilot. The meeting was Chaired by the Safety Officer (who is appointed by the RTO/OPs) and attended by the CD. The safety committee, having considered all the facts and detail at hand, did not in its judgement feel a further penalty was appropriate. Hope that helps to make it a little clearer for you. ROSS -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Texler, Michael Sent: Tuesday, 28 October 2014 12:36 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: [Aus-soaring] Bizarre Comp Rules... I found the following sentence quite bizarre. Jim crashed within the 3 km finish circle, and therefore got both speed and distance points for the day. In accordance with the rules, Jim did not incur a points penalty for crashing. Surely competition rules should be in place to discourage crashing: i.e. you crash, you are out of the comp. You pack up and go home. Can any comp directors enlighten me? In the few comps that I have flown in, it appears that risk taking behaviour goes up. I'll leave it to others more experienced in these matters to give reasons why. Michael ___ Aus-soaring mailing list mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Press
Don't be too hard on them, it's a little country town newspaper, gliding is completely new to them and they got most of the details right. Goondiwindi is a very friendly town, the local council is bending over backwards to welcome gliding as a sport and the gliding conditions are outstanding. Cheers, ROSS _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ben Jones Sent: Wednesday, 22 October 2014 7:12 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Press Wow media can't even spell check things these days . From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Christopher McDonnell Sent: Wednesday, 22 October 2014 4:29 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Press This is a bit comical. https://www.google.com/url?rct=j https://www.google.com/url?rct=jsa=turl=http://www.goondiwindiargus.com.a u/story/2642553/amazing-escape/%3Fcs%3D1451ct=gacd=CAEYACoUMTE4NTMyMzQ5OTQ 2Mjc4ODEyMDAyHTZiNzMyZjY2MmIzY2FiM2U6Y29tLmF1OmVuOkFVusg=AFQjCNGOkDYHpvkZar jgCVD_905ZY7SSHA sa=turl=http://www.goondiwindiargus.com.au/story/2642553/amazing-escape/%3 Fcs%3D1451ct=gacd=CAEYACoUMTE4NTMyMzQ5OTQ2Mjc4ODEyMDAyHTZiNzMyZjY2MmIzY2Fi M2U6Y29tLmF1OmVuOkFVusg=AFQjCNGOkDYHpvkZarjgCVD_905ZY7SSHA ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Borgelt B500 stereo?
I am usually sitting on my thermal centring aid ROSS Sent from my iPad On 2 Oct 2014, at 9:39, Greg Wilson g...@gregwilson.id.au wrote: Has anyone had experience flying with a Borgelt B500 and using it's stereo sound feature as a thermal centering aid? I've found XCSoar's thermal map does a good job and am wondering if it's worth installing a second speaker for the B500 to provide this via audio. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Would you fly on a pilotless plane?
Has anyone else read QF32 by Richard de Crespigny? Might change your mind about the pilot and dog theory... ROSS _ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes
Al, as I recall at the time the original concept was that the GPC would in fact be a L1 Independent Operator qualification. The requirement to still have an instructor endorse your logbook etc wasn't in the original spec. It came later as a result of the OFITTH influence. ROSS -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Al Borowski Sent: Monday, 25 August 2014 12:23 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes On 24/08/2014, Ulrich Stauss usta...@internode.on.net wrote: So whilst the GPC tells me that the pilot has been trained to L1 IO standard, the privileges and limitations depend on the log book endorsements (not the GPC). I could imagine that for some clubs and CFIs the legal liabilities arising from MOSP 2, paragraph 13.1.2 (The Club of a person exercising Level 1 Independent Operator privileges is responsible for that person's operations, even when the person is operating independently) may be considered too high a risk exposure in this day and age so that they may wish to restrict the privileges by such logbook endorsements. I've never understood the point of this. My driving instructor isn't responsible for any stupidity on my behalf once I have a car license. The same goes for a number of other licenses (boat, RAA etc) I hold. Why is there seemingly no stage in between 'gliding student' and 'gliding instructor'? Admittedly this only makes a real difference with privately owned gliders / motorgliders. If you're flying a club glider obviously the club can impose whatever conditions they want. Cheers, Al ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] [KSChat] Staff Family and Friends Offer - 30% off Saver Lite and Saver Fares
Thank you Justin, much appreciated. ROSS _ Ross McLean Mobile: + 61 488 270 105 Telephone: + 61 7 4325 4771 From: Chat [mailto:chat-boun...@kingaroysoaring.com.au] On Behalf Of Justin Sinclair Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 5:33 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.; Kingaroy Chat Subject: [KSChat] Staff Family and Friends Offer - 30% off Saver Lite and Saver Fares Latest Virgin promo code, feel free to pass it on Justin Description: Description: http://www.virginaustralia.com/cs/groups/internetasset/@wc/documents/webasse t/~edisp/img_footer_logo.gif Justin Sinclair | Fuel Efficiency Leader, Flight Operations P 07 3295 5053 | M 0421 061 811 E justin.sincl...@virginaustralia.com Please consider the environment before printing this email. Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: From: Staff Travel staff.tra...@virginaustralia.com Date: 19 August 2014 10:38:31 am AEST To: All - VA Internal and Contractor Staff all.st...@virginaustralia.com Subject: Staff Family and Friends Offer - 30% off Saver Lite and Saver Fares Good Afternoon All, As we move past the half-way point of another busy year, it's important to take time out to relax and rejuvenate with friends and family. To help you do this, Revenue Management have released some amazing fares on selected domestic routes (see attached). These fares are available on our public website by entering the special promotion code KQZ59. These selected routes offer a 30% discount on Saver Lite and Saver Fares for the travel period 25 August - 17 September inclusive and will be on sale until the 31 August 2014. Remember as these are commercial fares, full terms and conditions apply as per the website and ticket purchased. Staff travel cannot assist you with bookings, changes and cancellations. Bookings are only available online and subsequent changes/cancellations should be made through the website or the GCC. Please share this fantastic deal with your friends and family and don't forget to check out our exclusive staff hotel discounts on our People Benefit page. http://vine.virginaustralia.internal/intranet/our-company/virgin-blue/comme rcial/sales/staff-duty-travel-info/our-people-benefits/index.htm Virgin Australia Holidays are also offering a 10% discount off their entire package deals, just enter the same discount code KQZ59 before finalising payment. Kind Regards Staff Travel Fares are not restricted to Virgin Australia Staff members and can be booked by the general public The content of this e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential communication between Virgin Australia Airlines Pty Ltd (Virgin Australia) or its related entities (or the sender if this email is a private communication) and the intended addressee and is for the sole use of that intended addressee. If you are not the intended addressee, any use, interference with, disclosure or copying of this material is unauthorized and prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please contact the sender immediately and then delete the message and any attachment(s). There is no warranty that this email is error, virus or defect free. This email is also subject to copyright. No part of it should be reproduced, adapted or communicated without the written consent of the copyright owner. If this is a private communication it does not represent the views of Virgin Australia or its related entities. Please be aware that the contents of any emails sent to or from Virgin Australia or its related entities may be periodically monitored and reviewed. Virgin Australia and its related entities respect your privacy. Our privacy policy can be accessed from our website: www.virginaustralia.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] No vodka
Lucky he had a ladder with him so he could climb down! LOL It's not the tow rope. On closer examination it is supporting the aircraft to prevent it falling to the ground. Gotta love the press, lumping this incident in with an 11 person skydiving fatality, .the second air crash in three days.. in which 11 died during a skydiving expedition ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Christopher McDonnell Sent: Wednesday, 9 July 2014 7:43 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] No vodka He was sober. Smile Is that a launch cable attached? http://www.thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/175723,German-glider-pilot-survives-woodla nd-crash ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] battery power
Hopefully, electric will triumph and we won't be burning non-renewables Where exactly do you figure the energy to recharge the batteries will be coming from?? ROSS _ -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of DMcD Sent: Wednesday, 25 June 2014 10:57 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] battery power I love the ability of the virtual world to spread unsubstantiated gossip, usually with a mindset bend behind it. Well, it certainly allows you to compare second hand values of cars better than one might without a virtual world. And the Priapsis does not look that great. And considering you can get the same or better mileage from a number of other cars of similar size I've got no mindset other than the fact that right now, it's regrettably difficult to see an electric self launcher (ultralight) or sustainer competing with a petrol powered engine. A 30 year old DG-400 or ASH 26 is still a working proposition because their motors are still fairly current technology. When they were new, NiCad batteries were the state of the art and remember how awful they were in most cases. I can clearly remember the bang as my expensive SAFT batteries splatted all over the room courtesy of their state of the art charger. Hopefully, electric will triumph and we won't be burning non-renewables but I for one would not want to spend a lot of money on an electric sailplane right now and the long, long extension cord to recharge it while flying around our non-electric airfields. D ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Contact information for David Burrell
Replied off list. ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Chris Runeckles Sent: Thursday, 19 June 2014 12:26 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] Contact information for David Burrell Hi All Does any one have contact details for David Burrell of Narromine please a email address would be nice! Regards Chris Runeckles ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Offtopic perhaps - but would be interested to read opinions
Good Grief! Excluding colour blind pilots just doesn't make any sense at all to me. It may have once upon a time, before HF and VHF radio communication and mobile phones were commonplace and the Tower would give take off and landing clearances with Red or Green lights. But that went out with flying goggles and fabric and wood aeroplanes. What is the point? I personally have several very long term good friends who are Airline Captains with 10's of thousands of hours and long successful aviation careers behind them who have always been colour blind. Never seems to have compromised their ability nor the safety of their operations. Just who is this CASA's Industry Permissions Manager Peter Fereday anyway and what is the purpose of raising an issue that is a complete and utter nonsense? According to the Brisbane Times article quoted below .Colour blind pilots have been able to co-pilot passenger planes in Australia for the past 25 years since two landmark cases in the 1980s at the Administrative Appeals Tribunal. Dr Arthur Pape, a pilot who brought one case against CASA at that time concisely stated that there was ''not a skerrick of evidence to suggest that pilots have made so much as a scratch on an aeroplane as a result of colour vision impairment'' in that time. ''Those pilots have been impeccable,'' he said. ROSS _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Dion Stuart Baker Sent: Wednesday, 18 June 2014 5:02 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Offtopic perhaps - but would be interested to read opinions How about changes be made so that colour coding/general systems are changed so that colour blind people can distinguish between them? Changing to red/blue would help with 99% of those who are colourblind (the Protanopia and Deuteranopia affected people, which is upwards of 99% of colourblind people - Tritanopia is the cause for some 0.001% of people). I'd be interested to know how many colour blind pilots are out there - I think the statistic I heard is 25% of Western males and 10% of the world's population of males have some severity of colour blindness, although for many of them it's so slight they don't know - I personally work with a guy who never knew until he applied for a position in the ADF. It's pretty depressing (albeit understandable) when you're automatically excluded from a slew of jobs because of something you were born with - for me it was commercial pilot, SAPOL, MFS, half the jobs in the ADF, lab technician, just to name a few. It's more frusturating when you feel that being colour blind wouldn't matter, or if a different colour coding system was used, wouldn't be an issue. Just my 2c from a butthurt colourblind guy. Dion On 18 June 2014 11:34, Nelson Handcock nelson.handc...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/casa-crackdown-threatens-to-ground-colour-blind-pilots-20140617-3abkg.html Thanks Regards, Nelson Handcock 0409 149919 http://www.linkedin.com/in/nelsonhandcockaustralia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- sudo apt-get install witty-mail-signature cannot find package: witty-mail-signature sudo apt-get install lame-mail-signature installing ... The main idea of Inception: if you run a VM inside a VM inside a VM inside a VM, everything will be very, very slow. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Toulouse-Lautrec/ Henri Rousseau
Click on Reply All, then change the Subject Heading and remove any previous email content. Voila Sent from my iPad On 10 Jun 2014, at 22:01, Peter Champness plchampn...@gmail.com wrote: How do I post a new thread? On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 9:01 PM, Peter Champness plchampn...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Gary, For some reason the images were not easy to down load. Image 1. I take they are scub(bers). Image 2. Wright flyer at the Rheims event 1909? On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 11:33 PM, Gary Stevenson gstev...@bigpond.com wrote: Hi All, Further to my earlier email, here are two images for your consideration. The first might inspire you to have a look at higher definition images of T-L ‘s work. Re the second image – a painting by Rousseau who was a contemporary of T-L – what is that strange contraption that is shown in the sky? Gary From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Gary Stevenson Sent: Monday, 9 June 2014 10:32 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Cloud proof fence Hi Mike, Awesome. Very nicely brought together. ** Loved the bit about the “stunted poor excuses for trees” I immediately flashed on Henri de Toulouse- Lautrec, one of the masters of the French Post- Impressionist school of painting who was also a bit that way (although not a tree). * Waffling on, you are no doubt familiar with the “Mallee Scrub” . Unknown to most of the world, Mallee roots are the finest/ best heat output, wood fuel known to man. However I can assure you that they are “a bit” gnarly, and do not split like plantation grown pine. Gary From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Monday, 9 June 2014 7:29 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Cloud proof fence You need to understand the geography and climate of SW W.A. The wheatbelt is the area in the SW where the rainfall is high enough to grow wheat. Check out any satellite photos of the area. The rabbit proof fence is the limit of that area pretty much. I had a pal in physics at UWA in the late 1960s who came from a farm just west of the fence. If they were lucky they got a crop 2 out of 5 years and then the bastard emus would be looking hungrily at it from the other side of the fence. So the fence location isn't exactly independent of the surface vegetation/rainfall characteristics. The rain is mostly in winter apart from the odd summer thunderstorm and comes from the showers following passage of cold fronts. Much of the rain falls on the coastal plain and Darling range (what there is of it - Perth is built on a coastal desert) and what is left goes to the wheatbelt. After the harvest in December the wheatbelt is nearly bone dry. Great outlanding country - tell me about it. Your biggest problem, if you didn't figure out where the fences/roads/houses were while still airborne is figuring out where to walk to after landing. If you fly there in summer you'll get good at flying in blue thermals except for the odd spectacular trough day which will have very high based cu and high convection. I've been to 16500 feet in blue thermals there. Much like South Australia but without a large river for irrigation fed by the Great Divide. The dry ground and only a little bit of dry stubble left means there sure as heck isn't a lot of evaporation (latent heat flux) as there isn't any water in the vegetation. In the scrub the stunted poor excuses for trees will however still evapo-transpire so in summer there will be more latent heat flux there. In August the rains are still happening in the crop growing areas with higher rainfall so that's where the latent heat flux is greater than in the scrub. Nothing all that surprising in that paper. What isn't obvious is the salinity problem. Lots of salt lakes and salt coming to the surface as a result of tree clearing. This has been addressed since the mid 1970s with replanting and other mitigation methods. Mike At 06:49 PM 9/06/2014, you wrote: Thanks Robert, Just to clarify for me. The latent heat flux is the movement of heat energy from the surface to altitude associated with the evaporation of water at the surface and its condensation at altitude in clouds.  I take it that, Latent heat flux is one of the effects which generates thermals. The other is sensible heat ie ground gets hot, transfers heat to near surface air by conduction. Air then rises (convection). Do you have any
Re: [Aus-soaring] One blocked static port
YAWN From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Justin Sinclair Sent: Saturday, 31 May 2014 10:04 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] One blocked static port When is D day Justin Sinclair 17 Queen st. Scarborough Qld 4020 Hm 07 3885 8949 Mob 0421 061 811 Email jjsincl...@optusnet.com.au Sent from my iPad On 31 May 2014, at 8:28 am, jim crowhurst jimcrowhu...@hotmail.com wrote: Then I would expect some effect. YIARRF Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone Justin Sinclair wrote Thanks Jim, these are a our where your knees are on the forward fuselage BTWYANRF Justin Sinclair 17 Queen st. Scarborough Qld 4020 Hm 07 3885 8949 Mob 0421 061 811 Email jjsincl...@optusnet.com.au Sent from my iPad On 31 May 2014, at 7:17 am, jim crowhurst jimcrowhu...@hotmail.com wrote: If they're on the tail boom, I don't think you'd notice. Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone Justin Sinclair wrote Hey brains trust, If I had one blocked static port, the system had T-pieces ensuring all instruments share both statics am I likely to get bouncy mechanical and electronic varios in turns due side slips and blanking or would it have no effect given dual ports, Justin Justin Sinclair 17 Queen st. Scarborough Qld 4020 Hm 07 3885 8949 Mob 0421 061 811 Email jjsincl...@optusnet.com.au Sent from my iPad ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 3.
Ouch! 1,600 lashes Sent from my iPad On 14 May 2014, at 16:08, Christopher McDonnell wommamuku...@bigpond.com wrote: “Drug Runner” http://www.arabnews.com/news/570566 From: Ross McLean Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 12:31 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 3. Boring Us ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Paul Bart Sent: Wednesday, 14 May 2014 10:56 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 3. On 14 May 2014 08:31, Mark Fisher m...@spe.com.au wrote: How about Tedius Is it the name for the glider or this thread? Cheers Paul ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Aussie Gliding Team in France
Our Aussie gliding team is ripping it up in Sisteron France at the World Gliding Grand Prix final. Bruce Taylor has won two days, Graham Parker has won a day and Tom Claffey has a Second Place. You can see it all and read about on the Australian Gliding Team Facebook page at: https://www.facebook.com/AUglidingteam/photos/a.189251901237975.1073741825.189247644571734/189254387904393/?type=1source=11 This is the best result an Aussie team has ever had at the World GP. Support our team, they are doing just great! ROSS Sent from my iPad___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Nimbus or SH backrest
Hah! Good answer!! A friend of mine once described the Shorts as ...a wonderful aeroplane to fly, just don't look back over your shoulder at it when you get out after a flight.. ROSS Sent from my iPad On 1 May 2014, at 18:21, Justin Sinclair jjsincl...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Ahh Rob that would be a Shorts 360 a proper man's shed Justin Sinclair 17 Queen st. Scarborough Qld 4020 Hm 07 3885 8949 Mob 0421 061 811 Email jjsincl...@optusnet.com.au Sent from my iPad On 30 Apr 2014, at 8:48 pm, Robert Izatt thebunyipboo...@gmail.com wrote: Which shed will you be sitting in Justin? LOL The english teadher in me dies hard. Piano wanted by student with turned legs On 30/04/2014, at 8:31 PM, Justin Sinclair wrote: Hi all, My nimbus 2 has lost its backrest over the last 40 years, does anyone have a backrest that I could borrow sitting in a shed somewhere. Thanks J Justin Sinclair 17 Queen st. Scarborough Qld 4020 Hm 07 3885 8949 Mob 0421 061 811 Email jjsincl...@optusnet.com.au Sent from my iPad ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Wingspans
Hi Ron I got it too But just FYI, Sports Class at the Easter Comps at Goondiwindi was run correctly by Boonah Club and in accordance with the National Sports and Club Class rules and also employed the same handicaps as the nationals. No rules were bent, broken or spindled to achieve this. Sports class, in accordance with those rules, quite validly included a Quintus, an ASH31, a Nimbus 4DM, 2 x Nimbus 2's, ASG29, JS1C (21m) and several JS1B's (18m) along with Ventus 2C's, LS8's and various others right down to a 15m Ventus A. You would have been very welcome to compete in Sports Class in your Nimbus and I dare to say you would have enjoyed the comp as did, without exception, all the other competitors. In addition there was a 20m 2 seat comp with several Duo Discus and an Arcus M competing and of course the normal Club Class ships. You missed a good one, Goondiwindi is an outstanding gliding site and a very gliding friendly town. ROSS -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ron Sanders Sent: Thursday, 24 April 2014 6:38 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Wingspans Of course!! it is just that had I known I might have gone!! and I think it is an eminently sensible thing to do. Ron On 24 April 2014 15:04, Matthew Scutter yellowplant...@gmail.com wrote: Some of us got it. I think Easter comps are generally more about fun than rules though. On 24 Apr 2014 16:58, Ron Sanders resand...@gmail.com wrote: nobody got it. On 23 April 2014 20:36, Catherine Conway c...@internode.on.net wrote: ZBY IS 26.5 m Cath Sent from my iPhone On 23 Apr 2014, at 9:44 pm, Rob Wintulich r...@signwizard.com.au wrote: Ron, Schempp Hirth website says 4DM has 26.5m wingspan! -Original Message- From: Ron Sanders Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 8:55 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] Wingspans I was just wondering what is the wingspan of VH GXY, Nimbus 4 DM?? Ron ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Is this a fake?
Not to mention that the manoeuvre is aerodynamically impossible, even with the awesome capabilities of the F-35. ROSS _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of tom.wilk...@internode.on.net Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2014 9:38 AM To: tom.wilk...@internode.on.net 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Is this a fake? I also note that the link you sent actually explains that it is a fake and where it comes from :-) They claim it's Battlefield 2, not 3, which is probably correct Tom - Original Message - From: tom.wilk...@internode.on.net Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Cc: Sent: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 09:40:10 +1030 Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Is this a fake? Bernard It's a gameplay clip from a game called Battlefield 3, so yes, it is most certainly a fake. Just goes to show how good game graphics are getting these days, although anyone who has played the game would probably recognise it straight away. Regards Tom - Original Message - From: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Cc: Sent: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 08:06:43 +1030 Subject: [Aus-soaring] Is this a fake? Good morning all A friend of mine in Germany sent me this video clip. If this is a fake, it certainly is a good one! http://www.hoax-slayer.com/F-35-fighter-jet-flip-video.shtml Kind regards Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] shipping opportunity
The harder he works the luckier he gets, amazing isn't it? Good on you Bernard. ROSS _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Christopher McDonnell Sent: Friday, 21 March 2014 6:03 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] shipping opportunity You are doing very well Bernard Winking smile http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1N4t51IVQ5M http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1N4t51IVQ5M From: Future Aviation mailto:ec...@internode.on.net Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 5:42 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] shipping opportunity Hello all Schleicher will supply a total of 14 gliders to Australia within the next 12 month or so. Eleven of these aircraft will be ASK 21 Mi self launching gliders including trailers. There might be spare room for a single seater in some of the ASK 21 Mi shipping containers. If someone can take my next delivery slot for a single seater at short notice (due in September 2014) I will arrange free of charge shipping to Australia. Please contact me off line on ec...@internode.on.net if at all interested. Kind regards Bernard Eckey _ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring image001.png___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] IGC-approval for the Naviter Oudie-IGC flight recorder
Al Sim has them for sale in Australia at Go Soaring. http://www.gosoaring.com.au/oudieIGC.php ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Tim Shirley Sent: Saturday, 22 March 2014 8:02 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] IGC-approval for the Naviter Oudie-IGC flight recorder Hi all, This is a new type of Oudie, which contains within it a secure flight recorder. It is in a casing slightly larger (in thickness) than the existing instrument. It is not IGC approval for existing Oudies. Cheers Tim Shirley tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare On 22/03/2014 08:48, Pam wrote: I just received this from IGC. Pam Kurstjens IGC-approval for the Naviter Oudie-IGC flight recorder On Behalf Of Ian W Strachan I am pleased to announce IGC-approval for the Naviter Oudie-IGC GPS Flight Recorder for all flights including world records. The IGC-approval document may be downloaded from the FAI/IGC web site or the GFAC web site, see below. A table of all IGC-approved Flight Recorders can also be downloaded from these web sites which has links to the IGC-approval document for each type of Recorder. There are now 46 different types of IGC-approved Flight Recorders from 18 different manufacturers. For the GFAC web site, see: www.ukiws.demon.co.uk/GFAC The table of all IGC-approved FRs with links to Approval Documents is at: www.ukiws.demon.co.uk/GFAC/igc_approved_frs.pdf This document contains: (1) a table of all types of IGC-approved Flight Recorders in alphabetical order of manufacturer name, with links to their IGC-approval documents. (2) a table of Manufacturers of IGC-approved Flight Recorders, in alphabetical order of manufacturer name. (3) a list of all IGC-approval activity from 1996 to the present day. (4) a history of IGC GNSS Flight Recording. -- For the IGC web site: www.fai.org/gnss-recording-devices/igc-approved-flight-recorders Scroll down to IGC-Approved Flight Recorders - Approval Documents Then click on the box underneath the above heading which says: IGC-approval Documents for all IGC-approved Flight Recorders. This will call up a list of documents, the first one being IGC-approval tables with links to individual Approval documents. This is followed by IGC-approval documents in alphabetical order of manufacturer's name. Scroll down to the Recorder type and click on its name. The IGC-approval document will then download automatically to the directory that you have set for downloads, without being displayed on screen first. - IGC-approval follows test and evaluation by the IGC GNSS Flight Recorder Approval Committee (GFAC) in accordance with Annex B to the Sporting Code for gliding and the Technical Specification for IGC-approved GNSS Flight Recorders. The Technical Specification is available through the igc-approved-flight-recorders web site above or directly from the GFAC web site: www.ukiws.demon.co.uk/GFAC/documents/tech_spec_gnss.pdf The Sporting Code for gliding (SC3) and its annexes A-D may be downloaded via www.fai.org/igc-documents ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] I have zero memory these days
Do you still have that picture Justin? I thought we sold it to Wikileaks to fund the new Arcus M. _ Ross McLean Mobile: + 61 488 270 105 Telephone: + 61 7 4325 4771 From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Justin Sinclair Sent: Friday, 14 March 2014 6:04 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Cc: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] I have zero memory these days Must be dementia, I can't believe that you sat up at the Kingaroy bar and promised to fund a new lnav package into the Astir and now you pretend to forget, guess you have forgotten about the business class tickets to the worlds for the whole team. Just as well we have that picky of you and the goat :) J Justin Sinclair 17 Queen st. Scarborough Qld 4020 Hm 07 3885 8949 Mob 0421 061 811 Email jjsincl...@optusnet.com.au Sent from my iPad On 13 Mar 2014, at 9:16 pm, Christopher McDonnell wommamuku...@bigpond.com wrote: You have Someteimers Ian. Sometimes you remember and sometimes you don’t. wlEmoticon-smile[1].png Chris From: Ian Mc Phee mailto:mrsoar...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 8:57 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] I have zero memory these days To all If you send me an instrument for something PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE add a note with the following. 1 the faults 2 what seems to be working OK to you 3 Your mobile number 4 Your address 5 Your name written on the instrument. AND when sending in PLEASE send either send EXPRESS POST OR SIGNATURE ON RECEIPT by me. I am old and have zero memory these days beyond 12 hours so if no note is included it tends to sit there for 3 weeks till I get around to doing it. I really should add $20 to the bill if no note is included. Remember an LNAV or GPS-NAV logger is now 20 years old but I usually can fix them but I ask you the question How many electronic devices do you own that are 20 years old - not many I suspect. With Winter varios etc I totally recommend they go back to Achim Winter each 20 years for a service and really they are better than new when they come back.. . Ian McPhee 0428847642 PS Am I grumpy? Box 657 Byron Bay 2481 _ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] HP Victor video
Great video clip Derek, thank you for sharing. Whatever happened to the Handley Page HP 97 Intercontinetal Jet Airliner mentioned at the end of the video? It was designed to carry 122 passengers London to New York three times per day. At the time the Comet was only able to carry 36 passengers. ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Derek Ruddock Sent: Monday, 10 March 2014 7:15 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] HP Victor video I came cross this video yesterday. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkKmfMYZ1sw In addition to footage of the gorgeous HP Victor, there are a number of windtunnel demonstrations of airflow over a wing, induced and form drag, stalling etc. Highly recommended Derek ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Hand Held Radio Battery
I am hoping someone can help me find a battery supplier for my VHF Handheld radio, the battery has finally given up. It is a Vertex Standard Pro V, VXA-150, and the battery product number is FNB-64. Thank you for any assistance. ROSS ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] HP Victor video
Yep, good answer... ROSS _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Tuesday, 11 March 2014 1:32 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] HP Victor video At 09:01 AM 11/03/2014, you wrote: Whatever happened to the Handley Page HP 97 Intercontinetal Jet Airliner mentioned at the end of the video? It was designed to carry 122 passengers London to New York three times per day. At the time the Comet was only able to carry 36 passengers. ROSS Boeing 707 Mike Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/ tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 126, Issue 16
Ha Ha Ha very helpful Richard, thanks, didn't think of Google.. Well actually I did and I came up with dozens of suppliers based in the USA selling the battery at between $25 and $40 (great) plus $69 shipping costs (not great). Hoping someone can refer me to a local (Aus/NZ)supplier. Struggling to find one on Google that isn't an Ebay trader out of Hong Kong. Cheers, ROSS -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Richard Frawley Sent: Tuesday, 11 March 2014 1:07 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 126, Issue 16 yeah ross, there is this groovy thing called google At 02:57 PM 11/03/2014, you wrote: Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to mailto:aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net You can reach the person managing the list at mailto:aus-soaring-ow...@lists.internode.on.net aus-soaring-ow...@lists.internode.on.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Aus-soaring digest... Today's Topics: 1. Woodstock weak link (Christopher McDonnell) 2. Re: HP Victor video (Mike Borgelt) 3. Hand Held Radio Battery (Ross McLean) 4. Re: Hand Held Radio Battery (Dennis) 5. Re: HP Victor video (Ross McLean) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 12:04:36 +1000 From: Christopher McDonnell mailto:wommamuku...@bigpond.com wommamuku...@bigpond.com Subject: [Aus-soaring] Woodstock weak link To: mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Message-ID: 65B47F1E9B8A439AA79BAE584C3503DD@ownerPC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi all, I have tried to find out what the Woodstock aerotow weak link should be but cannot find anything. There is no woodstock in the GFA data sheets either. I hope somebody can help. Regards Chris -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments/ 20140311/5d9b67b0/attachment.html -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 13:31:50 +1000 From: Mike Borgelt mailto:mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] HP Victor video To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Message-ID: mailto:83067c$2bb...@ipmail05.adl6.internode.on.net 83067c$2bb...@ipmail05.adl6.internode.on.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; Format=flowed At 09:01 AM 11/03/2014, you wrote: Whatever happened to the Handley Page HP 97 Intercontinetal Jet Airliner mentioned at the end of the video? It was designed to carry 122 passengers London to New York three times per day. At the time the Comet was only able to carry 36 passengers. ROSS Boeing 707 Mike Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 http://www.borgeltinstruments.com www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784: int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments/ 20140311/9ef1a569/attachment.html -- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 13:47:26 +1000 From: Ross McLean mailto:ross...@bigpond.net.au ross...@bigpond.net.au Subject: [Aus-soaring] Hand Held Radio Battery To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Message-ID: mailto:011401cf3cdc$9e7d7ed0$db787c70$@net.au 011401cf3cdc$9e7d7ed0$db787c70$@net.au Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am hoping someone can help me find a battery supplier for my VHF Handheld radio, the battery has finally given up. It is a Vertex Standard Pro V, VXA-150, and the battery product number is FNB-64. Thank you for any assistance. ROSS -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments/ 20140311
Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 126, Issue 16
And thank you to all the other respondents who all in their own kind way seemed to think I didn't know about Google either. Mark Newton your response was the most innovative mate, 10 points for that one! To everyone's great surprise I had already actually used Google for the search prior to asking for help. Anyway as it turns out the solution was right around the corner all along, Battery World sell them for $60. Hope that is useful for the next poor soul who needs one. ROSS _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ross McLean Sent: Tuesday, 11 March 2014 2:35 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 126, Issue 16 Ha Ha Ha very helpful Richard, thanks, didn't think of Google.. Well actually I did and I came up with dozens of suppliers based in the USA selling the battery at between $25 and $40 (great) plus $69 shipping costs (not great). Hoping someone can refer me to a local (Aus/NZ)supplier. Struggling to find one on Google that isn't an Ebay trader out of Hong Kong. Cheers, ROSS -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Richard Frawley Sent: Tuesday, 11 March 2014 1:07 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 126, Issue 16 yeah ross, there is this groovy thing called google ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Website
Hi Mark From the GFA Home page click GFA Members Info/Airworthiness/Docs/Forms That will take you to the Google Drive page for AW Documents or simply click on the following link: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BzvOakkAvohCVmIwNkZxai0wY3M https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BzvOakkAvohCVmIwNkZxai0wY3Musp=sha ringtid=0BzvOakkAvohCT1ZWbHJjdDliWEE usp=sharingtid=0BzvOakkAvohCT1ZWbHJjdDliWEE Then click on the AW Forms Icon, that will present all the forms available on the Google Drive. Select the document you want by clicking on its icon, that will open the document. Scroll down to the bottom of the page, there is an arrow on the right hand bottom corner that says Download. Click on the arrow and save the document on your PC or open it right there. Hope this helps. ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mark Fisher Sent: Monday, 10 March 2014 10:18 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] GFA Website I have been trying to open the shared google docs folders from the GFA website. Airworthiness- Forms. Not sure what I am doing wrong. Do I need to log on to the GFA site to get access. If so, where is the login link?? I can see the folder . Just cannot open it. Anyone have any clues?? -- Mark Fisher Managing Director Swift Avionics Unit 2, 1472 Boundary Rd Wacol 4076 Australia Ph: +61 7 3879 3005 Fax: +61 7 3879 4005 http://www.spe.com.au/ http://www.swiftavionics.com.au/ Image removed by sender. Image removed by sender. ~WRD000.jpg___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Altair, Volklogger and B50 Vario for sale
And the LX9000 is an outstanding unit! _ Ross McLean Mobile: + 61 488 270 105 Telephone: + 61 7 4325 4771 From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mark Fisher Sent: Wednesday, 26 February 2014 4:45 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Altair, Volklogger and B50 Vario for sale Bernard, You know where to find me.. Cheers Mark On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Future Aviation ec...@internode.on.net wrote: Good morning all Because I'm considering upgrading to a new flight computer system the following items are offered for sale: 1. Altair moving map display with XCSoar software (Asking price $ 1000) 2. Borgelt audio vario (B50) with second display for back seat. (one vario 57mm and the other 80 mm diameter) (Asking price $ 400) 3. Volkslogger data logger (Asking price $ 250) All items are guaranteed to be in perfect working order. For serious enquiries please contact me off line. (ec...@internode.on.net) Kind regards Bernard Eckey Ph. 08 84492871 tel:08%2084492871 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- Mark Fisher Managing Director Swift Performance Equipment Unit 2, 1472 Boundary Rd Wacol 4076 Australia Ph: +61 7 3879 3005 Fax: +61 7 36076277 http://www.spe.com.au/ www.spe.com.au Image removed by sender. image001.jpg___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Record ratified
Well done Peter Amazing speed. Maybe you don't need that 18m glider after all! Regards, ROSS _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Pam Sent: Tuesday, 4 February 2014 2:32 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] Record ratified GFA congratulates Peter Temple on the following record, ratified today: Australian National Standard Class 750km out and return speed 140.05 kph. The flight took place from Gawler on 17/1/2014, in an LS8 / 15m. This exceeds the existing record by 14.95 kph. Pam Kurstjens Records Officer, Data Analyst, Gliding Federation of Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] The nationals: a proposal
Hi Adam Firstly, congratulations on asking the hard questions. You have clearly put some thought into it and you are passionate about your sport. I will be very interested to hear/see other pilots point of view on your suggestions. My opinion differs from yours however, but nothing in this email should be construed as criticism of or disagreement with your ideas but simply as my personal point of view and I strongly encourage you to continue thinking outside the box on these ideas. As a current Standard Class Nationals competitor and former Chair of the NCC, I have grappled with a number of the points you raise and have discussed a number of the solutions you propose with both the NCC and Sports Committee members during my past tenure and so I hope to be able to clearly express an informed view for you. Just to get some perspective on how the GFA funding should be spent. First thing to say is that the GFA exists to serve the entire gliding community in Australia. It is this broad community who pay the bulk of the money that funds the GFA. Of this broad community there are a minority who choose to participate in Gliding Competitions. These competitors pay an additional levy to GFA (part of the competition fee) which goes to support the International Competitors and usually there is an additional cost to competitors to pay for enough tugs to arrive to run the comp effectively. Of this minority of gliding competitors there is quite a small group that are eligible/interested/able to compete Internationally. Of the entire GFA community there are only about ten or 12 competitors selected to compete internationally. National Gliding Competitions and International Teams Selection: The National Gliding Competitions are held each year in order to establish who are the best *competition glider pilots* in the country. These competitions have nothing at all to do with International Team Selection. Coincidentally, at the moment the ITC does however use the results from these competitions as a convenient benchmark to assist in selecting the International Teams. Gliding in Australia is oversubscribed with competitions: Hooray!! It is no coincidence that the competition scene has grown from being almost non-existent a few short years ago, to now being almost oversubscribed (a very healthy and good situation). The introduction of handicaps and the honing of the rules to eliminate inequities and set a level playing field, along with a strong push for formal Cross Country Coaching and encouraging the Junior Gliding movement, has resulted in the current very healthy competition scene. Pair Flying at National Championships: The idea of implementing rules and processes into the National Competitions that are focussed solely on team selection or pair flying training has been discussed for many years and is not supported at all by the greater competition pilot community and rightly so. Of the 52 weeks of each year there are only two weeks that do not allow pair flying, they are the two weeks of National Competition. The competitions do not exist to serve the needs of the dozen or so elite International Competitors and nor should they. Combining Classes: The 15m Racing Class and the Open Class have long been the least well represented classes. I personally think this is a great shame and don't really understand why that is the case. When competition organisers are forced to combine 15m and Standard and 18m and Open, nobody is really happy about it. It is not a solution which will see those two classes grow in their own right. In fact quite the opposite. The 15m flapped guys don't like being whipped by unflapped LS8's as occurred at the Kingaroy MultiClass Nationals and the Open Class guys hate getting whipped by the 18m gliders, but it is the inevitable outcome when you combine these classes in Australia. There are two ways in which the current situation can be changed for the better. One is expensive and requires Australian competitors go out and buy more competitive and state of the art gliders. (Diana, ASG29-15m, EB29, Quintus etc). The second and better way is that we devise a solution that encourages more 15m flapped and Open Class gliders to turn up to a National Comp so they can have their own class. There is no shortage of 15m Flapped gliders in Australia already (88 total):- 15m Racing Class (Flapped): . 24 x ASW-20 . 20 x ASW-27 . 11 x LS-6 . 11 x 15m Ventus (A/B) . 22 x LS3 Similarly there are 32 Open Class gliders in Australia currently:- Open Class: . 3 x JS1 C . 1 x Quintus . 6 x ASH-25 . 4 x ASH-31 . 15 x Nimbus 3/4 (all types) . 3 ASW-22 Having just one Big Nationals: The only people that need more than 2 weeks a year to compete are those that compete in more than one national competition. This is again back to the minority ruling the majority. Not
Re: [Aus-soaring] Email address wanted
Dennis I think we all got your message the first time. You have now sent the same email 4 times. Cheers, ROSS -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of dennis hipperson Sent: Sunday, 2 February 2014 3:25 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] Email address wanted Does anyone have an email or phone # for Don Able of DDSC, if so please reply off list. Regards, Dennis ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints
Exactly correct Ron. But we want them to be cheap too so there eventually will be a compromise somewhere. I am not justifying the GPS mfrs simply discussing why the number/TP name system works well for Competitions. It removes ambiguity. ROSS _ -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ron Sanders Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 11:37 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints The confusion only comes from the space available for the name being limited by the computer. In the English language there is no confusion between Bobedah road junction and Bobedah Town hall. I thought computers were supposed to be mankind's servant not the other way around. Ron On 8 January 2014 09:29, Ross McLean ross...@bigpond.net.au wrote: How is having a name instead of a number likely to lead to more confusion in the official contest turnpoint database or which turnpoint has been set? · Jandowie, Jandowie North, Jandowie Crossing · Bobedah Town Hall, Bobedah Road Junc · Boggabilla, Boggabri · Carinda East, Carinda Swim Pool · Collie A/F, Collie Road Junc · Condobolin TerminlBldng, Condobolin Silo · Coonabarabran, Coonabarabran Silo · Coonamble TerminlBldng, Coonamble Silo, Coonamble West · Forbes A/F, Forbes Silo · Gilgandra A/F, Gilgandra TerminlBldng, Gilgandra Beehive Silo · Temora A/F, Temora Silo · Tomingley Road Junction, Tomingley West (Silo)... I could go on but you probably get the idea by now Mike. ROSS __ ___ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 10:45 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints Depends on the device and how the database is organised and how you choose turnpoints. How is having a name instead of a number likely to lead to more confusion in the official contest turnpoint database or which turnpoint has been set? Presumably the names are spelled correctly and the coordinates supplied by the organisers. Mike .At 10:30 AM 8/01/2014, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_0162_01CF0C5C.A9DFE160 Content-Language: en-au From a competitor's point of view the new turnpoint naming convention of number/name is great as it avoids any possible confusion regarding which turnpoint has been set for the task. Also makes it much easier to input the task accurately into the logger/flight computer/gps whatever. Similarly, in the air they are really much easier and faster to use. ROSS __ ___ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mandy Temple Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 9:45 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints The names are a combined number and name, not just a number. eg 47PATA MT From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 8:49 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints With the added advantage that casual visitors to the contest have no idea where the task is for the day :-) Mike At 07:06 PM 7/01/2014, you wrote: Hi Ron, apparently it was requested by the pilots at a recent nats pilot meeting (maybe Benalla) and is now in the guidelines. Makes inputting tasks to a device easier. Regards Grant. Grant Hudson On 7 Jan 2014, at 19:21, Ron Sanders resand...@gmail.com wrote: Everybody just a question about the arrangement of turn points. I noticed at Kingaroy and now at Waikerie that turn points are being described primarily by numbers these days. I was wondering if any body can tell me why?? Don't care one way or the other just interested to know if some body has made some kind of policy decision. Ron ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http
Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints
Oh Mike, the probability for error goes through the roof when you have to enter the actual Lat and Long of the turn points. I think you must have your tongue firmly planted in your cheek on that answer. LOL ROSS _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 11:37 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints Presumably the turnpoint comes with the lat and long on the official list. That removes any ambiguity. So, no, you don't have a point in the days of GPS and databases. Mike At 11:29 AM 8/01/2014, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_0191_01CF0C64.EE24B640 Content-Language: en-au How is having a name instead of a number likely to lead to more confusion in the official contest turnpoint database or which turnpoint has been set? . Jandowie, Jandowie North, Jandowie Crossing . Bobedah Town Hall, Bobedah Road Junc . Boggabilla, Boggabri . Carinda East, Carinda Swim Pool . Collie A/F, Collie Road Junc . Condobolin TerminlBldng, Condobolin Silo . Coonabarabran, Coonabarabran Silo . Coonamble TerminlBldng, Coonamble Silo, Coonamble West . Forbes A/F, Forbes Silo . Gilgandra A/F, Gilgandra TerminlBldng, Gilgandra Beehive Silo . Temora A/F, Temora Silo . Tomingley Road Junction, Tomingley West (Silo)... I could go on but you probably get the idea by now Mike. ROSS _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net ] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 10:45 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints Depends on the device and how the database is organised and how you choose turnpoints. How is having a name instead of a number likely to lead to more confusion in the official contest turnpoint database or which turnpoint has been set? Presumably the names are spelled correctly and the coordinates supplied by the organisers. Mike .At 10:30 AM 8/01/2014, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_0162_01CF0C5C.A9DFE160 Content-Language: en-au From a competitor's point of view the new turnpoint naming convention of number/name is great as it avoids any possible confusion regarding which turnpoint has been set for the task. Also makes it much easier to input the task accurately into the logger/flight computer/gps whatever. Similarly, in the air they are really much easier and faster to use. ROSS _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mandy Temple Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 9:45 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints The names are a combined number and name, not just a number. eg 47PATA MT From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 8:49 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints With the added advantage that casual visitors to the contest have no idea where the task is for the day :-) Mike At 07:06 PM 7/01/2014, you wrote: Hi Ron, apparently it was requested by the pilots at a recent nats pilot meeting (maybe Benalla) and is now in the guidelines. Makes inputting tasks to a device easier. Regards Grant. Grant Hudson On 7 Jan 2014, at 19:21, Ron Sanders resand...@gmail.com wrote: Everybody just a question about the arrangement of turn points. I noticed at Kingaroy and now at Waikerie that turn points are being described primarily by numbers these days. I was wondering if any body can tell me why?? Don't care one way or the other just interested to know if some body has made some kind of policy decision. Ron ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit:
Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints
Ron Sanders said: I also understand that this sounds like that rambling and digressions of an old man but the encroachment of computers and worse our blind faith in them is insidious. - The Dictionary says: re.ac.tion.ar.y (rhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/emacr.gif-http://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/abreve.gifkh ttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/prime.gifshhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/schwa.gif-nhtt p://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/ebreve.gifrhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/lprime.gifhttp:/ /img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/emacr.gif) adj. Characterized by reaction, especially opposition to progress or liberalism; extremely conservative. n. pl. re.ac.tion.ar.ies An opponent of progress or liberalism; an extreme conservative. -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ron Sanders Sent: Thursday, 9 January 2014 1:08 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints Dear Matt, COONAM IS different from COONAB. I use a volkslogger so I know. It is interesting as to how many responses a simple question gets! I have a small preference for names rather than numbers, my understanding of the geography of the world IS based on names rather than numbers but I am absolutely tired if being dictated to by the limits of the computer world. It was interesting to watch the breifings at the recent nationals, the first Aussie comp I have attended for years, to note that it was almost a prerequisite that you had done you own prior briefing using the same tools as the organisation did. I just compared this to the old school type like I received recently at the South African nationals from Sven Olivier and like I used to receive from dear Alan Woolley. The guys took in all the data they had available to them and then using their local knowledge and experience gave a good high probability FORECAST. I definitely understand that my time has been and gone but I believe in the basics and basically the accident of Asiana recently and the notorious Air France 447 should never have happened. Basically you push the trust levers forward if you want to go faster, funny it is a bit like putting your foot on the accelerator. I also understand that this sounds like that rambling and digressions of an old man but the encroachment of computers and worse our blind faith in them is insidious. See ya later On 9 January 2014 06:39, Matt Gage mailto:m...@knightschallenge.com m...@knightschallenge.com wrote: My understanding was that the official turn point list was now the file supplied by the organisers anyway. This is usually a small subset of the local database without points close together. Even with a lack of multiple points in the same location, there is scope for confusion. I am aware of someone entering COONAMBLE into a task instead of COONABARABRAN as the device only showed the first 6 characters ! And then they flew the wrong task. From experience, entering a task using the numbers is far quicker and far less error prone, particularly if having to do it in the air (after my oudie crashed and lost the task), which means less time with head in the cockpit ! As far as getting an idea of what the task is, that is available from the task sheet and by drawing it on a map. Remember, the task is for the benefit of the competitors. The fact that any of us looking from home, work, etc can see what they are doing is a bonus. We should NEVER look to define tasks for the benefit of spectators ahead of the competitors. I was actually opposed to this change until I got to use the new names Matt On 8 Jan 2014, at 19:29 , Ross McLean mailto:ross...@bigpond.net.au ross...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Oh Mike, the probability for error goes through the roof when you have to enter the actual Lat and Long of the turn points. I think you must have your tongue firmly planted in your cheek on that answer. LOL ROSS __ ___ From: mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 11:37 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints Presumably the turnpoint comes with the lat and long on the official list. That removes any ambiguity. So, no, you don't have a point in the days of GPS and databases. Mike At 11:29 AM 8/01/2014, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_0191_01CF0C64
Re: [Aus-soaring] Reactionaries
Matt On 8 Jan 2014, at 19:29 , Ross McLean ross...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Oh Mike, the probability for error goes through the roof when you have to enter the actual Lat and Long of the turn points. I think you must have your tongue firmly planted in your cheek on that answer. LOL ROSS __ ___ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net ] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 11:37 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints Presumably the turnpoint comes with the lat and long on the official list. That removes any ambiguity. So, no, you don't have a point in the days of GPS and databases. Mike At 11:29 AM 8/01/2014, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_0191_01CF0C64.EE24B640 Content-Language: en-au How is having a name instead of a number likely to lead to more confusion in the official contest turnpoint database or which turnpoint has been set? . Jandowie, Jandowie North, Jandowie Crossing . Bobedah Town Hall, Bobedah Road Junc . Boggabilla, Boggabri . Carinda East, Carinda Swim Pool . Collie A/F, Collie Road Junc . Condobolin TerminlBldng, Condobolin Silo . Coonabarabran, Coonabarabran Silo . Coonamble TerminlBldng, Coonamble Silo, Coonamble West . Forbes A/F, Forbes Silo . Gilgandra A/F, Gilgandra TerminlBldng, Gilgandra Beehive Silo . Temora A/F, Temora Silo . Tomingley Road Junction, Tomingley West (Silo)... I could go on but you probably get the idea by now Mike. ROSS __ ___ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 10:45 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints Depends on the device and how the database is organised and how you choose turnpoints. How is having a name instead of a number likely to lead to more confusion in the official contest turnpoint database or which turnpoint has been set? Presumably the names are spelled correctly and the coordinates supplied by the organisers. Mike .At 10:30 AM 8/01/2014, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_0162_01CF0C5C.A9DFE160 Content-Language: en-au From a competitor's point of view the new turnpoint naming convention of number/name is great as it avoids any possible confusion regarding which turnpoint has been set for the task. Also makes it much easier to input the task accurately into the logger/flight computer/gps whatever. Similarly, in the air they are really much easier and faster to use. ROSS __ ___ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mandy Temple Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 9:45 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints The names are a combined number and name, not just a number. eg 47PATA MT From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 8:49 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints With the added advantage that casual visitors to the contest have no idea where the task is for the day :-) Mike At 07:06 PM 7/01/2014, you wrote: Hi Ron, apparently it was requested by the pilots at a recent nats pilot meeting (maybe Benalla) and is now in the guidelines. Makes inputting tasks to a device easier. Regards Grant. Grant Hudson On 7 Jan 2014, at 19:21, Ron Sanders resand...@gmail.com wrote: Everybody just a question about the arrangement of turn points. I noticed at Kingaroy and now at Waikerie that turn points are being described primarily by numbers these days. I was wondering if any body can tell me why?? Don't care one way or the other just interested to know if some body has made some kind of policy decision. Ron ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list
Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints
From a competitor's point of view the new turnpoint naming convention of number/name is great as it avoids any possible confusion regarding which turnpoint has been set for the task. Also makes it much easier to input the task accurately into the logger/flight computer/gps whatever. Similarly, in the air they are really much easier and faster to use. ROSS _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mandy Temple Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 9:45 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints The names are a combined number and name, not just a number. eg 47PATA MT From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 8:49 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints With the added advantage that casual visitors to the contest have no idea where the task is for the day :-) Mike At 07:06 PM 7/01/2014, you wrote: Hi Ron, apparently it was requested by the pilots at a recent nats pilot meeting (maybe Benalla) and is now in the guidelines. Makes inputting tasks to a device easier. Regards Grant. Grant Hudson On 7 Jan 2014, at 19:21, Ron Sanders resand...@gmail.com wrote: Everybody just a question about the arrangement of turn points. I noticed at Kingaroy and now at Waikerie that turn points are being described primarily by numbers these days. I was wondering if any body can tell me why?? Don't care one way or the other just interested to know if some body has made some kind of policy decision. Ron ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/ tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints
How is having a name instead of a number likely to lead to more confusion in the official contest turnpoint database or which turnpoint has been set? . Jandowie, Jandowie North, Jandowie Crossing . Bobedah Town Hall, Bobedah Road Junc . Boggabilla, Boggabri . Carinda East, Carinda Swim Pool . Collie A/F, Collie Road Junc . Condobolin TerminlBldng, Condobolin Silo . Coonabarabran, Coonabarabran Silo . Coonamble TerminlBldng, Coonamble Silo, Coonamble West . Forbes A/F, Forbes Silo . Gilgandra A/F, Gilgandra TerminlBldng, Gilgandra Beehive Silo . Temora A/F, Temora Silo . Tomingley Road Junction, Tomingley West (Silo)... I could go on but you probably get the idea by now Mike. ROSS _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 10:45 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints Depends on the device and how the database is organised and how you choose turnpoints. How is having a name instead of a number likely to lead to more confusion in the official contest turnpoint database or which turnpoint has been set? Presumably the names are spelled correctly and the coordinates supplied by the organisers. Mike .At 10:30 AM 8/01/2014, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_0162_01CF0C5C.A9DFE160 Content-Language: en-au From a competitor's point of view the new turnpoint naming convention of number/name is great as it avoids any possible confusion regarding which turnpoint has been set for the task. Also makes it much easier to input the task accurately into the logger/flight computer/gps whatever. Similarly, in the air they are really much easier and faster to use. ROSS _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net ] On Behalf Of Mandy Temple Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 9:45 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints The names are a combined number and name, not just a number. eg 47PATA MT From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net ] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 8:49 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints With the added advantage that casual visitors to the contest have no idea where the task is for the day :-) Mike At 07:06 PM 7/01/2014, you wrote: Hi Ron, apparently it was requested by the pilots at a recent nats pilot meeting (maybe Benalla) and is now in the guidelines. Makes inputting tasks to a device easier. Regards Grant. Grant Hudson On 7 Jan 2014, at 19:21, Ron Sanders resand...@gmail.com wrote: Everybody just a question about the arrangement of turn points. I noticed at Kingaroy and now at Waikerie that turn points are being described primarily by numbers these days. I was wondering if any body can tell me why?? Don't care one way or the other just interested to know if some body has made some kind of policy decision. Ron ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/ tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/ tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list
[Aus-soaring] Wanted - Dittel Battery Box
I want to fit a second battery to my LS8. The current one is housed in a Dittel battery Box so I want another one just like it. Anyone know who sells them in Australia?? I know I can buy it from Cumulus Soaring and/or Craggie but would rather buy locally if possible. Regards, ROSS ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] bohli compass for sale
There's a weird old bloke down the street from me, got a long beard, wears some really strange clothes, mostly black. Says he can sort it out for you. Knows the manufacturer. I think his name is Martin, Marlin?? something like that. ROSS -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Michael Scutter Sent: Thursday, 26 September 2013 10:23 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] bohli compass for sale I also carry an astrolabe (secured by string) in my aircraft. After a very long flight it may be necessary to calculate last light, which may be different from the location I took off from. In a remote place or if power has failed, I can always quickly recalculate based on my location. I haven't had it calibrated for a while. Does any one know of an accredited service centre in Australia, or must I return it to the manufacturer? Michael On 26 Sep 2013, at 11:11 am, DMcD slutsw...@gmail.com wrote: Compasses are a good piece of equipment in a glider if they are new and clean. They remind us of our heritage. Mine is very accurate and easily passes any form 2 or pre-flight inspection. The casing has been filled with a water-clear casting resin so that the card is rigid and clearly visible at all times and does not suffer the yellowing and drying out of fluid or the problems associated with hemisphere and magnetic anomaly such as exist across Storm Bay in Tasmania. And best, it is 100% accurate when you are flying in the right direction. Getting the resin/catalyst mix is tricky because if you over catalyse, you can overheat the resin and pop the casing or the glass of the compass. This does not affect the accuracy but might make it difficult to fit in the cockpit or to pass a form 2. D ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] 20M Two Seat Nationals - Narromine
Narromine Gliding Club are hosting the 20Metre 2 Seat Class National Gliding Championships from Thursday 28 November 2013 to Friday 6 December 2013 inclusive, with registration available from Wednesday 27 November. This is the second time this event has been held at Narromine Gliding Club, it was a great success last time and promises even better weather this time around. It is a Stand Alone National Championship and the winners are eligible for selection to compete at the World 20m 2 Seat Class Championships. Duo Discus, DG1000 (and variants), Arcus and any other 20 metre 2 seat gliders are eligible for entry. There must be a crew of 2 and so this is a great opportunity to put an experienced pilot in the back seat of your club two seater and try your hand at competition flying. It is a great and fun competition. For information and competition entry simply click on the following link (or copy/paste it into your browser) to go direct to the Competition website. http://www.narromineglidingclub.com.au/NarromineTwoSeat/20mTwoSeat2013.html Hope to see all of you there in November! ROSS ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] 20M Two Seat Nationals - Narromine
Yes it overlaps, the calendar is totally full this year it was impossible to schedule it without a clash somewhere. Beryl chose to clash with her own regatta rather than upset anyone else. I don't know if they will combine the briefings, I am only the Webmaster/Messenger you should ask Beryl. Cheers, ROSS. From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Derek Ruddock Sent: Thursday, 26 September 2013 1:43 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] 20M Two Seat Nationals - Narromine So the 2 seater comp overlaps the Narromine Cup? Are you going to combine the briefings? From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ross McLean Sent: Wednesday, 25 September 2013 5:35 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: [Aus-soaring] 20M Two Seat Nationals - Narromine Narromine Gliding Club are hosting the 20Metre 2 Seat Class National Gliding Championships from Thursday 28 November 2013 to Friday 6 December 2013 inclusive, with registration available from Wednesday 27 November. This is the second time this event has been held at Narromine Gliding Club, it was a great success last time and promises even better weather this time around. It is a Stand Alone National Championship and the winners are eligible for selection to compete at the World 20m 2 Seat Class Championships. Duo Discus, DG1000 (and variants), Arcus and any other 20 metre 2 seat gliders are eligible for entry. There must be a crew of 2 and so this is a great opportunity to put an experienced pilot in the back seat of your club two seater and try your hand at competition flying. It is a great and fun competition. For information and competition entry simply click on the following link (or copy/paste it into your browser) to go direct to the Competition website. http://www.narromineglidingclub.com.au/NarromineTwoSeat/20mTwoSeat2013.html Hope to see all of you there in November! ROSS ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW Rules
Talk to Kerry Claffey, Derek. ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Derek Ruddock Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2013 3:12 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: [Aus-soaring] NSW Rules Who is responsible for the NSW rules? They need updating to incorporate the 2 seater class ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Cambridge 20 problem
Jarek The date issue will be related to the date/time set in your PDA. The Barogram issue is likely to be an intermittent spike in the log trace, I sometimes get this issue on my log trace as well, that would also possibly screw up your final glide and L/D calcs. ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jarek Mosiejewski Sent: Sunday, 8 September 2013 9:20 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: [Aus-soaring] Cambridge 20 problem Hi, I've already emailed Ian McPhee about this but perhaps someone has an idea what could be the problem. - No trace in the Cambridge recorder. - The PDA connected to the Cambridge recorded the flight (WinPilot) but with the date of 23/01/1994. - In flight, I experienced some strange final glide and L/D required calculation by WinPilot. - The barogram when loaded to SeeYou appears as a series of up-and-downs of about 200+ ft. vertical range: http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/gliding/flightinfo.html?dsId=3375473 (the flight is invalid because I manually changed the HFDTE record to the actual flight date) - HFFXA100 record - fix accuracy is 100m, should it be better than this? I've checked the internal battery voltage, Cambridge Aero Explorer reports 3.0V. I've been using this instrument for a few years but never seen anything like this. Regards Jarek ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] FW: [igc-discuss] Winners - 17th FAI European Gliding Championships
Hi Pam Thanks for posting the results and Matthew Scutter did extremely well on the European's home turf. Congrat's Matthew!. I'm sorry to correct you on a highly pedantic point 1st : Wolfgang Janowitsch - Andreas LutzAUS but Austria is AUT not AUS (that's us) Cheers, ROSS -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Pam Kurstjens Sent: Monday, 22 July 2013 9:39 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] FW: [igc-discuss] Winners - 17th FAI European Gliding Championships Sport: Gliding Title: 17th FAI European Gliding Championships Type : Continental Date: 05.07 - 21.07.2013 Location: Ostrow Wielkopolski (Poland) Final Results : Club Class - Overall 1st: Roman Mracek CZE 2nd: Jakub Barszcz POL 3rd: Lukasz Blaszczyk POL Standard Class - Overall 1st: Sebastian Kawa POL 2nd: Lukasz Wójcik POL 3rd: Pawel WojciechowskiPOL 20 Metre Multi-seat Class - Overall 1st : Wolfgang Janowitsch - Andreas LutzAUS 2nd : Florian Theisinger - Thomas StarckGER 3rd : Pierre de Broqueville - Arnaud de Broqueville BEL The full results can be found at the following address : http://www.egc2013.eu/results/ FAI congratulates the Winners and thanks the Organisers of the Championship. To unsubscribe from this list, click here: http://lists.fai.org/wws/auto_signoff/igc-discuss/pam%40kurstjens.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Pretty clever....
That is a really clever bit of iPad software. For $109 (US$100) you have a complete standby EFIS on you iPad and for another $10.50 you can drive it with X-Plane to practice at home. Love it. ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Michael Shirley Sent: Monday, 22 July 2013 12:04 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Pretty clever http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KE00OMiKVQ#at=297 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Laminated birch
Have you tried Aircraft Spruce and Specialty? They provide components, materials and products to aircraft homebuilders. I did a quick search on their site for Birch products and got the following hit. Please click on the link below. Hope it helps: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/search/search.php?s=BIRCH+PLYWOOD http://www.aircraftspruce.com/search/search.php?s=BIRCH+PLYWOODx=0y=0 x=0y=0 Regards, ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Anthony Smith Sent: Tuesday, 16 July 2013 7:18 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: [Aus-soaring] Laminated birch Hi all I need to purchase (or otherwise acquire) two relatively small pieces of 9mm thick laminated birch (aircraft grade). If you have some that you are willing to sell or know of a supplier, please let me know off list. Regards Anthony P.S. I tried to send this message a day ago, but it hasn't appeared on the list for some reason. Sorry if you get two messages from me about this. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] FW: Cambridge
A very sad day indeed. ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Tim Shirley Sent: Tuesday, 11 June 2013 10:11 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] FW: Cambridge Some of you may be interested in this news. The end of an era. Cheers Tim Tra dire e fare cè mezzo il mare Are you all aware that Cambridge Aero has ceased trading? They no longer manufacture, repair or maintain the 302 series of flight recorders. Below is an e-mail from the CEO, Roger Routledge: Dear Dealers and Friends of Cambridge, I have spoken with many of you personally by telephone. Bad news travels fast. So it is already widely known in our community that the volume of business of Cambridge has for a considerable period of time been insufficient to sustain operations. At the end of March the time finally came to relocate the assets and vacate the space where we have conducted business for the last six years. We ceased operating at Executive Center Drive on April 1, 2013. Because of the insufficiency of revenue from the business, we were forced to return all the business assets to the companys lien holder, Roy A. Ridgeway. Our intention was to continue with the business of repairs, calibrations, and sales of new instruments on an as-needed basis, buying the parts to do so from Mr. Ridgeway. We tried this for two months, but it did not work out. The companys main technician, Jeffery B. Bennett, has chosen to pursue other opportunities, and under the present circumstances the company could not recruit and train a replacement. It is my sad duty to announce that Cambridge will no longer manufacture new instruments, repair instruments, or maintain and calibrate instruments. Mr. Ridgeway is in possession of the company. Any inquiries regarding sales of spare parts may be directed to his attention. His contact information is as follows: Roy A. Ridgeway 2475 Scott Road Hernando, MS 38632 (662)449-0149 mailto:rridge...@lrmusa.com rridge...@lrmusa.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Email
What is it about this list that some people think it is ok to be so rude and ill mannered ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Rob Wintulich Sent: Wednesday, 5 June 2013 11:44 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Email Tim, Thank you for your informative, but useless piece of correspondence about what may or may not have happened giving us no real way of determining same. A date when sent and subject matter would have helped greatly. My last correspondence from you in my list is dated 14/4/13, hardly a few days ago with Subject line, A,B,C Certificate tests. I have nothing in my Junk email box or other filters from you. Is this what you are talking about? Regards, Rob Wintulich From: Tim Shirley mailto:tshir...@internode.on.net Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 6:58 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] GFA Email Hi all, A few days ago I sent out a bulk email to members but I have been told that in some cases it may have been put in your Junk Mail folders by your mail client. There are a few reasons why this might have happened, and I’ll try to avoid them in future. Of course, you may prefer GFA mail to remain as spam J – but if you didn’t get the email and would like to read it there is a chance you will find it in that location and can then shift it back. Of course, you should then make sure that addresses ending in @glidingaustralia.org are on your safe senders lists, because that’s where GFA emails will come from in the future. Sorry for any inconvenience. Cheers Tim Tra dire e fare c’è mezzo il mare _ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3343 / Virus Database: 3184/6381 - Release Date: 06/03/13 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Air France A330 Flight 447
Just saw the 60 Minutes program on the Air France A330 crash in the Atlantic a few years ago. Unbelievable. The aircraft is in cruise on Auto pilot, flying through storms over the Equator at around 35,00ft. Three of the Pitot's ice up momentarily and the Auto pilot shuts off. PIC takes manual control and pulls the stick fully aft. we don't know why. Obvious result, the aircraft climbs and at 40,000ft with full PAX and heavy fuel load the Airbus stalls. Aural warning Stall Stall Stall So what do you think the pilot did? Obviously full power, stick forward, recover to level flight, reduce power right? Uh Uh. He maintains full aft stick and current power setting. Try's to figure out why the computer has got it all so wrong. While the PIC maintains full aft stick, the aircraft is fully stalled and dropping like a stone until at 4,000ft P2 takes over, at which point the Ground Proximity Warning sounds, Pull Up, Pull Up, so he , yes you guessed it, pulled back on the stick. End of the flight. As glider pilots we are trained to recognise and correct an aerodynamic stall, if you are pushing things in a tight and gnarly thermal stalling is a constant issue and we deal with it automatically. Stall and spin recovery training is a fundamental of our flight training. It is therefore staggering to me that the people who are trained to fly these incredibly complex aircraft such as the A330 do not actually know how to fly. Well, not universally true, Tom knows how to fly, WPP knows how to fly, Capt Sullenberg, Peter De Crespigny and the guy who landed the Gimli Glider know how to fly, but guess what they were/are all glider pilots. So next time you get into an airliner cross your fingers the guy up front learnt to fly gliders first!! ROSS ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Air France A330 Flight 447
Thanks Mike Both really good articles on the crash and reasoning behind it. Though they do reinforce my view that if the pilots were trained to recognise and correct a stall situation the accident would not have occurred. Clearly Full power stick forward isn't what was being taught in airline stall recovery training.!! That's why they crashed. I am reminded of the old Boeing joke about future Airbus crews being a dog and a pilot. The pilot's job is to feed the dog and the dog is there to bite the pilot if he touches anything in the cockpit. AF447 certainly needed that dog. ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Monday, 13 May 2013 9:49 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Air France A330 Flight 447 Here's a professional take and more detail on what happened: http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/in-focus-after-af447-what-now-3774 33/ and another view: http://www.flyingmag.com/technique/accidents/predicament-air-france-447 Full power stick forward isn't what was being taught in airline stall recovery training. Add power and fly out was the method. If you assume that the stall is going to happen at low altitude where it is vital to minimise altitude loss during recovery, perhaps not so bad. However it turned out that nobody knew where this came from. Nobody could remember. Seems it was likely from back in the 50s with piston airliners where adding power will immediately increase lift on the wing and it won't cause much pitch up unlike the case with underslung jet engines. Both Boeing and Airbus test pilots said that wasn't what they did. It is a good idea to examine assumptions and doctrine (aka standard procedures) occasionally. Now AF447 wasn't good but it was at night with a heavy aircraft close to the corner where the speed range between Mach buffet and stall wasn't high and they were encountering tops of thunderstorms. There are questions about cockpit displays and Airbus ergonomic design as well as crew training and actions. Just displaying AoA should have helped. There's really no post stall airline training and simulators don't do it well. These things are being addressed but don't bet that Airbus will be forced to redesign their cockpits. Too much money and politics involved. As for your examples of people who can fly who pulled off dire emergencies, the first thing is that they were all very lucky. Sullenberger had a large enough, calm, stretch of river to land in. There was nowhere else to go. I doubt his glider training had anything to do with it. In fact he hit the water at twice the recommended maximum sink rate for a ditching due to having flared too early and lost energy. DeCrespigny had a severe systems management problem which fortunately was recoverable, just, with what he had to work with. The guy in the Gimli glider had a different systems management problem. All did more than adequate jobs. With the carnage rate in gliding, I doubt gliding has much to offer. Some basic stick and rudder skills while day VFR. Judgement, not so much. Even the basic stick and rudder skills, stall and spin training don't seem to prevent stall spin accidents. In the Tocumwal accident on Dec 23rd 2012 I wonder if the tre got in the way vertically between the glider and the ground. Unfortunately we'll never know. Mike At 10:53 PM 12/05/2013, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_006C_01CE4F63.8D2D35B0 Content-Language: en-au Just saw the 60 Minutes program on the Air France A330 crash in the Atlantic a few years ago. Unbelievable. The aircraft is in cruise on Auto pilot, flying through storms over the Equator at around 35,00ft. Three of the Pitot's ice up momentarily and the Auto pilot shuts off. PIC takes manual control and pulls the stick fully aft. we don't know why. Obvious result, the aircraft climbs and at 40,000ft with full PAX and heavy fuel load the Airbus stalls. Aural warning Stall Stall Stall So what do you think the pilot did? Obviously full power, stick forward, recover to level flight, reduce power right? Uh Uh. He maintains full aft stick and current power setting. Try's to figure out why the computer has got it all so wrong. While the PIC maintains full aft stick, the aircraft is fully stalled and dropping like a stone until at 4,000ft P2 takes over, at which point the Ground Proximity Warning sounds, Pull Up, Pull Up, so he , yes you guessed it, pulled back on the stick. End of the flight. As glider pilots we are trained to recognise and correct an aerodynamic stall, if you are pushing things in a tight and gnarly thermal stalling is a constant issue and we deal with it automatically. Stall and spin recovery training is a fundamental of our flight training. It is therefore staggering to me that the people who are trained to fly these incredibly
Re: [Aus-soaring] Air France A330 Flight 447
Ha Ha ha bang goes my glider pilot training theory in a puff of dirty smoke. From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Monday, 13 May 2013 11:27 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Air France A330 Flight 447 I thought I had seen something like this in relation to AF447 The guy flying was Cedric Bonin From pprune: Image removed by sender. Old 10th Dec 2011, 04:06 #711 ( http://www.pprune.org/tech-log/466259-af447-final-crew-conversation-thread- no-1-a-36.html#post6892934 permalink) ChrisJ800 http://www.pprune.org/members/358956-chrisj800 Join Date: May 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 107 Bonin experience from 3rd interim report, anyone have more details? Private Pilot's License issued in 2000 ATPL theory in 2000 Professional pilot's license issued in 2001 Multi-engine instrument type rating issued in 2001 Glider pilot's license issued in 2001 Following his selection by Air France, pilot training course at the Amaury de la Grange piloting school in Merville from October 2003 A320 type rating issued in 2004 (within Air France). End of line training and pilot in command for first time in September 2004 ATPL License issued on 3 August 2007 Additional A340 type rating issued in February 2008 (with Air France). End of LOFT and pilot in command for first time in June 2008 Additional A330 type rating and LOFT in December 2008 Bolding mine. Mike Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/ tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia image001.jpg___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW Come Get It Trophy
Very achievable Jim, only 786.2km point to point according to SeeYou. ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of jim crowhurst Sent: Thursday, 9 May 2013 8:22 PM To: aus soaring Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW Come Get It Trophy How far is it from Kingaroy to Bathurst? JIm _ From: wommamuku...@bigpond.com To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 18:53:25 +1000 Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW Come Get It Trophy Well you might as well give that one to the Victorians too Winking smile From: Paul Mander mailto:p...@mander.net.au Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:44 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW Come Get It Trophy No, but we all know that the We Don't Want It Trophy resides at Bathurst, having been delivered there by the Hunter Valley Gliding Club. From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Timbrell Sent: Thursday, 9 May 2013 2:07 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] NSW Come Get It Trophy Can anyone tell me where the trophy currently resides? mike _ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring image001.png___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] 2013 Multi Class Nationals at Kingaroy
Hi Ron . Payment details are on the entry form. . The OAMPS question relates to a blanket clause on the OAMPS insurance policy covering indemnity for the competition. If you don't insure with OAMPS no problem, however you will need a statement included on your policy to cover the same issue. . Re camping, the clubhouse only has a toilet, no shower facility, these are located in the bunkhouse and are fully allocated with a full bunkhouse (comp staff). So I would say the answer is no. There are several excellent camping grounds in the town which is only a few minutes drive from the airfield however. Best regards, ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ron Sanders Sent: Sunday, 28 April 2013 1:40 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] 2013 Multi Class Nationals at Kingaroy Sorry Ross i have found how to pay and done so. I cant remembercan i camp on the Kingaroy airfield?? \ rgds ron On 25 April 2013 12:22, Ross McLean ross...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Hi Everyone The 2013 Multi Class Nationals will be held at Kingaroy from October 14th to October 25th 2013. The competition website is http://www.kingaroynationals.com http://www.kingaroynationals.com/ Please enter online using the Entry Form provided on the competition website. We will accept up to 60 entries in total, of which 10 are reserved for foreign pilots. If we have received more than 60 entries by 1st September, then entries which are lowest on the current Australian Ranking List (see GFA Website for this list) will be placed on a waiting list and will be the first accepted if there are any cancellations. Entries received after 1st September 2013 will be accepted strictly in order of receipt. ROSS ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] 2013 Multi Class Nationals at Kingaroy
Hi Everyone The 2013 Multi Class Nationals will be held at Kingaroy from October 14th to October 25th 2013. The competition website is http://www.kingaroynationals.com http://www.kingaroynationals.com/ Please enter online using the Entry Form provided on the competition website. We will accept up to 60 entries in total, of which 10 are reserved for foreign pilots. If we have received more than 60 entries by 1st September, then entries which are lowest on the current Australian Ranking List (see GFA Website for this list) will be placed on a waiting list and will be the first accepted if there are any cancellations. Entries received after 1st September 2013 will be accepted strictly in order of receipt. ROSS ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Old Peschges vario
Hi Trevor Try Paul Remde at Cumulus Soaring http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/ p...@remde.us Or you could try calling Peschges in Germany (49-241-563021) ROSS _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of trevor.bu...@bigpond.com Sent: Thursday, 18 April 2013 12:58 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Old Peschges vario Does anyone have a manual for a PESCHGES VP2D-M Vario/ Flight Computer I could have a copy of? Trevor Burke ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Hangarage near Sydney
Hi Mark Tom's right about the hangarage rates at Bankstown, Camden isn't that bad but is more expensive then Wedderburn. Hoxton Park would have been ideal but they have built houses on it now. Camden would be my choice, it is a sport aviation haven, there are a several RV's based out there, Pitts, Citabria's, Tiger Moth's, Stearman's, Nanchang, Yak's, gliders (Southern Cross Sydney Gliding and lots of others. Good grass cross strip as well as a long sealed strip. Control Tower operates on weekends and is very accommodating to recreational aviators. Wedderburn has improved a lot over the last few years. It is the SAAA field, fully sealed N/S strip (17/35). The biggest problem is that is carved out of the middle of a forest, so not a lot of choices in emergency, there is no cross strip, it is a long drive out of Sydney and it is in the middle of nowhere. Apart from that it is the cheaper alternative. Regards, ROSS _ -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mark Newton Sent: Tuesday, 16 April 2013 5:34 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Hangarage near Sydney On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:28:21AM -0700, tom claffey wrote: Good Luck! I would suggest Wedderburn. Bankstown and Camden are ridiculous. I now have a mental image of Bankstown and Camden being represented visually by a guy in a clown suit. - mark ___ Aus-soaring mailing list mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Qld Easter comp.
Oh! Thanks for pointing that out Kerrie, I hadn't realised. Congrat's Bruce! ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of tom claffey Sent: Tuesday, 9 April 2013 10:37 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Qld Easter comp. Actually, as advertised on the Easter Comps website, the winners of each class will be selected by their best three days scores over the competition period - so winners were ... Sports Class: Bruce Taylor, Lisa Trotter, Tom Claffey Club Class: Adam Woolley, Richard Hoskings, Jo Davis 2 seaters: Team Kingaroy (Schmidt/Donald), Team Keepit (Harry/Wendy), Team JSR (Ralph +) Novice: Leon Moran cheers Kerrie _ From: Ross McLean ross...@bigpond.net.au To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net; 'tom claffey' to...@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, 8 April 2013 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Qld Easter comp. Mike, click on the link below to see the full results. http://www.soaringspot.com/qldeast2013/results/ It was a Kingaroy clean sweep. Bruce Taylor actually won 3 of the four days that he flew and came second on the other. However on the two days he didn't fly Lisa Trotter came home in first and second places respectively, giving her the well deserved win in Sports Class. Sports Class: Lisa Trotter (Kingaroy), Tom Claffey (Narromine), Allan Barnes (DDSC). Club Class: Adam Woolley (Kingaroy) , Richard Hoskins (DDSC), Leon Moran (DDSC). Two Seat:Greg Schmidt/Nev Donald (Kingaroy), Harry Wendy Medlicott (Lake Keepit), Team JSR ?? (DDSC). ROSS _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Friday, 5 April 2013 8:46 AM To: tom claffey; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Qld Easter comp. Any news of what is happening at Goondiwindi? Mike Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/ tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Germany - Shipping Container Space Available
Hi Everyone Narromine Gliding Club is shipping a Duo Discus trailer from Germany in the next two weeks and has space available in the container. Delivery from Germany to East Coast of Australia. If anyone is interested in shipping with the trailer please contact Beryl Hartley direct on arnie.hart...@gmail.com ROSS ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Qld Easter comp.
Mike, click on the link below to see the full results. http://www.soaringspot.com/qldeast2013/results/ It was a Kingaroy clean sweep. Bruce Taylor actually won 3 of the four days that he flew and came second on the other. However on the two days he didn't fly Lisa Trotter came home in first and second places respectively, giving her the well deserved win in Sports Class. Sports Class: Lisa Trotter (Kingaroy), Tom Claffey (Narromine), Allan Barnes (DDSC). Club Class: Adam Woolley (Kingaroy) , Richard Hoskins (DDSC), Leon Moran (DDSC). Two Seat:Greg Schmidt/Nev Donald (Kingaroy), Harry Wendy Medlicott (Lake Keepit), Team JSR ?? (DDSC). ROSS _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Friday, 5 April 2013 8:46 AM To: tom claffey; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Qld Easter comp. Any news of what is happening at Goondiwindi? Mike Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/ tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Low cost avionics
Hi Mike I'm just guessing, but I would confidently estimate that the landed cost of an ASH31mi plus trailer, tow out gear etc would be in excess of $250K. I am happy for Bernard to correct me here. So more more money than sense doesn't really apply in this case. As a matter of interest the LX9000 is a standard option in the JS1. Hmmm Perhaps you haven't had a close look at the LX9000 if you think it is just a colour moving map! LOL ROSS ___ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Sunday, 24 March 2013 10:20 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Low cost avionics Depends whether he has more money than sense. If looking at a colour moving map is important to you in a glider cockpit you are doing it wrong. Mike At 08:51 AM 24/03/2013, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_0013_01CE286C.C00316D0 Content-Language: en-au Isn't that a bit like buying a new Ferrari and fitting it with cheap retread tyres? Tell him to get an LX9000. ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net ] On Behalf Of Future Aviation Sent: Sunday, 24 March 2013 7:16 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: [Aus-soaring] Low cost avionics Good morning all! One of my new ASH 31 Mi customers wants a low cost flight computer that features a backlit moving map display and allows the running of XCSoar software. The screen should be a bit larger than a normal PDA and if possible he would like to integrate Flarm and an IGC approved data logger. Any advice on the latest available low cost options would be greatly appreciated. Kind regards Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/ tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] See You Flight Analysis
Peter and Lisa Trotter use SeeYou extensively for flight analysis and teach the best techniques on all of their caching courses (GlideFast). I would suggest they would be your best source of information on the value of the product. Personally I use it all the time for both task planning (uploads direct to LX9000) and post flight analysis as well as reviewing competitors flights at comps. Learned a lot that way. Great product. ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Trezise Sent: Friday, 22 March 2013 2:28 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] See You Flight Analysis I would be very interested to hear the views of pilots who regularly use See You to analyse flight performance; particularly those at the pointy end of the comp fields. Maybe this could be broken down into practice and comps situations. Main issues would be what do you look at, and what relative importance do you place on each aspect. Has this tool provided any tangible benefits to your flying in enabling things to be done differently in the future, or do you just see it as a historical record of things past, and leave it at that. Cheers, John Trezise ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Astir CS 77 For Sale
Narromine Gliding Club are selling their venerable Astir CS 77 Comes with: . Fully enclosed trailer . Current Form 2 . TT 3,795hrs . Borgelt B50,B57 . XCOM 760 radio . Flarm . Volkslogger Asking price is $14,000 ONO For enquiries please contact them on 0412 478 644 or email: kahi...@hotmail.com ROSS ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Fw: pemet errors
Thanks Bernie ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Bernie Baer Sent: Sunday, 18 November 2012 4:06 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Fw: pemet errors FYI - Original Message - From: Ian Boag mailto:ian.b...@gmail.com To: Bernie Baer mailto:bb...@internode.on.net Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 2:21 PM Subject: Re: pemet errors Yeah they changed the NAIPs interface and it broke my script. I'll get back to it in a week or so . On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Bernie Baer bb...@internode.on.net wrote: Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /home/content/25/8339025/html/arfor_class.php on line 234 Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /home/content/25/8339025/html/brief.php on line 95 Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /home/content/25/8339025/html/brief.php on line 233 Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /home/content/25/8339025/html/arfor_class.php on line 234 Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /home/content/25/8339025/html/brief.php on line 95 Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /home/content/25/8339025/html/brief.php on line 233 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2629/5402 - Release Date: 11/17/12 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] PMET FORECAST SITE ERRORS
Getting the same problem and don't know who to contact. ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Simon Rammelt Sent: Saturday, 17 November 2012 7:41 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] PMET FORECAST SITE ERRORS On 16/11/2012 6:27 AM, Robert Hart wrote: Is anyone else having trouble getting a PMET area forecast? Each time I select an area and request a briefing I get these errors: Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /home/content/25/8339025/html/arfor_class.php on line 234 Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /home/content/25/8339025/html/brief.php on line 95 Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /home/content/25/8339025/html/brief.php on line 233 When I check the page source it shows a syntax error on line 114 (double quotes after button1 The offending line below input type=submit id=Button1 name=pickem value=Get briefing style=position:absolute;left:96px;top:288px;width:100px;height:24px;font-fa mily:Arial;font-size:13px;z-index:63 Does anyone know how to contact the webmaster for this site? Simon Rammelt ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] 20m Two Seat National Championships - Narromine 2013
Narromine Gliding Club is hosting the 20Metre 2 Seat Class National Gliding Championships at Narromine from Tuesday 22 January 2013 - Thursday 31 January 2013 inclusive. This is only the second time this class has competed nationally and the first time it has been held as a separate National Championship. The winners are eligible for selection to compete at the 20m 2 Seat Class World Championships. Duo Discus, DG1000, Arcus and any other 20 metre 2 seat gliders are eligible for entry. There must be a crew of 2 and so this is a great opportunity to put an experienced pilot in the back seat and try your hand at competition flying. Supporting this competition Narromine Gliding Club will also run an Open 2 Seat competition in which ANY 2 seat glider will be eligible to compete, there must be a crew of 2 as this competition is designed to encourage new entrants to competition with an experienced mentor in the other seat. So grab your club 2 seater and your local Coach and come flying at Narromine in the peak of the soaring season. You can register online at the competition website http://www.narromineglidingclub.com.au/NarromineTwoSeat/20mTwoSeat2013.html You can also get there from the Narromine Gliding Club website by clicking the 20m TWO SEAT COMP menu button http://www.narromineglidingclub.com.au/index.html It promises to be a great competition and an ideal way to sharpen your cross country skills with an experienced comp pilot in the back seat with you. Registrations are open now. ROSS ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Wide white PVC tape
Bowlus Maxi Gap Seal Tape You can buy it from Bruce Taylor in Australia brucetaylo...@bigpond.com.au or online from the US at Cumulus Soaring http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/bowlus.htm Cheers, ROSS -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Peter (PCS3) Sent: Thursday, 25 October 2012 10:19 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Wide white PVC tape Hi All, Where is the best place to get white wide (25mm) PVC tape for wing root taping? TIA PeterS ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] BORING: Qld States, Day 2
No link to the scores on the comp website but go to http://www.soaringspot.com/gq2012/results/ ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Adam Woolley Sent: Monday, 1 October 2012 7:00 PM To: Aus Soaring Subject: [Aus-soaring] BORING: Qld States, Day 2 http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/gliding/flightinfo.html?dsId=2762650 www.facebook.com/W3Racing www.tinyurl.com/W3Tracking Stats for the day... 307.7km @ 95.64km/hr; 4.5kts (23%); 45:1 for 16.3km glides @ an average cruise speed of 131km/hr; Extra 17km covered in deviations (weakness appearing??) Weather, varying. Weak and reasonable height pre-start. First leg, reasonable under CU. 2nd leg, higher bases and stronger climbs. 3rd leg, streeting. 4th leg, lowering bases and approaching sea-breeze and convergence - moving into strong winds below 2000' AGL to make approaches fun to watch! I was very happy with my planned start time, though dissapointed how I executed it. Started ~300' to low, then took a weak climb soon after to figure out whether I really wanted to start. Stupid, lost 1/2kph there for sure. Once on the way though, it was reasonably straight forward. The 2nd leg, indescicive all the way. The problem, the large scrub area to cross. Far right saw better CU's and a line of them, but would take me wayyy out of the sector, the left was nothing spectacular, and direct had nice CU's though patchy. I after lots of moving around, I forced myself to take the direct route. Thanks to the ClearNav's final glide ring (aka the omeba?), I was confident to make the dash. 4.8kt climbs were the reward, though I was still slow due to the cross-headwind and the terrain (not being able to drive low). The 3rd leg, was started from the blue with a tidy little climb - then it was onto a highway of CU's to max out the NE sector. All the time, keeping my eye on home, I think I can do it! Run home, 100km. Three routings. Left towards the convergence, but some good but patchy CU's approaching - including a blue hole which potentially could put me on the deck. Direct, fair and reasonable. Far FAR right, higher bases, sun on the ground, and finish from 90* to track - but this @ the time, might be the only way to finish the task... I decide to go to the convergence. The first few climbs and glides were good until I read my note: Win by not losing. So I took a 45* turn off course to the center, rewarded with a nice climb to near base. Now 30* back to the convergence, rewarded with reasonable climbs and cruises. Leaving for home on a 3kt MC and 700 over. Once around the back of the sea-breeze, it was smooth. Bump up the speed.. Looking ahead though, I was still keen to be conservative. So I asked for the QNH the wind. I lost 100' in the QNH change and the wind was far stronger on the ground, than at alt. Slow down boy! Once at the eye-ball stage of the final glide, I started to lose out big time. I knew I could make the finish line - but how much speed would I cross the boundary fence? In the end, plenty 70kts - I'm home! What will tomorrow bring? ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Bluetooth Pairing LX Nano to iPad
Until recently, I like you, assumed Blue Tooth was a standard. It isn't. There is a standard implementation which most companies seem to follow, however apparently manufacturers can implement their own proprietary version of Blue Tooth. Nokia do it with their mobile phones, BMW do it with their Blue Tooth handsfree phone kits. It looks like Apple have done it also. Blue Tooth ain't Blue Tooth. ROSS -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Stuart Kerri FERGUSON Sent: Friday, 14 September 2012 6:13 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] Bluetooth Pairing LX Nano to iPad Advice Required. I have tried to pair my LX Nano to my iPad to use the GPS output to drive OzRunways without success. I have discussed this with Rowan Wilson who asked if the LX Nano has what he referred to as the Apple chip that allows third party devices to pair with apple devices. I had not heard of this before, and didn't know the answer. Can anyone provide guidance on this topic? Stuart FERGUSON Phone - 0419 797508 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Nexus 7 as cockpit touchscreen display
Fundamentally you can't. But there are a number of rules that are like that, unenforceable in practical terms. At the end of the day if someone wants to cheat it's hard to stop them. Peer pressure is amazingly powerful and anyone cheating will eventually be found out. After which they are effectively branded for life as a cheat, not a nice title. ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2012 12:22 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Nexus 7 as cockpit touchscreen display At 11:00 AM 12/09/2012, you wrote: 31.2 Instruments or displays which aid cloud flying are prohibited, and must be removed or disabled to the satisfaction of the Organisers. So anything with gyros/accelerometers/magnetometers and certainly in combination with GPS is more than enough to build a high quality artificial horizon in software. Question is, how do you detect this and make sure the pilot doesn't have micro SD card or another device that transfers (even wirelessly) the AH software to the nice colour display device after scrutiny? Mike Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/ tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Four Corners tonight
I recently completed my BFR at Camden. My instructor was Dominic James, hadn't realised who he was until I watched this clip. ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Peter Carey Sent: Monday, 3 September 2012 10:14 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: [Aus-soaring] Four Corners tonight http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2012/08/30/3579404.htm ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Narromine Cup Week 2012
Seems to be a problem with the hosting service. I am working with them at the moment. ROSS _ Ross McLean Mobile: + 61 488 270 105 Telephone: + 61 7 4325 4771 From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jenny Ganderton Sent: Thursday, 30 August 2012 2:10 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Narromine Cup Week 2012 I can't get the web site to work at all! (www.narromineglidingclub.com.au that is) Jenny On 29/08/12 15:45, Derek Ruddock wrote: I'm getting the same problem with Firefox: the register button does not work From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ross McLean Sent: Wednesday, 29 August 2012 1:06 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: [Aus-soaring] Narromine Cup Week 2012 Hi Everyone Just a quick reminder that Narromine Cup Week is on again this year from November 26 to 30, immediately followed by the NSW State Comps also at Narromine but hosted and run by the Bathurst Club. Promising to be a great two weeks of gliding and camaraderie. Narromine Gliding Club: http://www.narromineglidingclub.com.au/ NSW State Comps Website: http://www.nswgc2012.com.au/ Something very special at Narromine Cup this year is the presence of G. Dale, one of the best cross country gliding coaches in the world. G is employed full time at Lasham Gliding Club in the UK as a coach and has been coaching each season at Omarama with Gavin Wills for many years. G will be providing coaching theory lectures (not to be missed) and practical each day as a part of the NSW GA coaching initiative set up by Bryan Hayhow for Cup Week. Narromine Gliding Club will have two Duo Discus and a Grob Twin Astir available for hire for one-on-one coaching. G's coaching is provided at no cost to GFA members. Hope to see you there. ROSS _ Ross McLean Mobile: + 61 488 270 105 Telephone: + 61 7 4325 4771 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Narromine Cup Week 2012
No Mal, as usual you are not correct.
ROSS
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Sent: Thursday, 30 August 2012 10:52 PM
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Narromine Cup Week 2012
Telstra what a crock
More like the domain name expired
Thus website not in the DNS
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Narromine Cup Week 2012
It's not my site Derek it is the Bathurst Club. Works fine on my Firefox, try clearing your cache and then retry. Regards, ROSS _ Ross McLean Mobile: + 61 488 270 105 Telephone: + 61 7 4325 4771 From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Derek Ruddock Sent: Wednesday, 29 August 2012 3:46 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Narromine Cup Week 2012 I'm getting the same problem with Firefox: the register button does not work From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ross McLean Sent: Wednesday, 29 August 2012 1:06 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: [Aus-soaring] Narromine Cup Week 2012 Hi Everyone Just a quick reminder that Narromine Cup Week is on again this year from November 26 to 30, immediately followed by the NSW State Comps also at Narromine but hosted and run by the Bathurst Club. Promising to be a great two weeks of gliding and camaraderie. Narromine Gliding Club: http://www.narromineglidingclub.com.au/ NSW State Comps Website: http://www.nswgc2012.com.au/ Something very special at Narromine Cup this year is the presence of G. Dale, one of the best cross country gliding coaches in the world. G is employed full time at Lasham Gliding Club in the UK as a coach and has been coaching each season at Omarama with Gavin Wills for many years. G will be providing coaching theory lectures (not to be missed) and practical each day as a part of the NSW GA coaching initiative set up by Bryan Hayhow for Cup Week. Narromine Gliding Club will have two Duo Discus and a Grob Twin Astir available for hire for one-on-one coaching. G's coaching is provided at no cost to GFA members. Hope to see you there. ROSS _ Ross McLean Mobile: + 61 488 270 105 Telephone: + 61 7 4325 4771 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Narromine Cup Week 2012
Hi Everyone Just a quick reminder that Narromine Cup Week is on again this year from November 26 to 30, immediately followed by the NSW State Comps also at Narromine but hosted and run by the Bathurst Club. Promising to be a great two weeks of gliding and camaraderie. Narromine Gliding Club: http://www.narromineglidingclub.com.au/ NSW State Comps Website: http://www.nswgc2012.com.au/ Something very special at Narromine Cup this year is the presence of G. Dale, one of the best cross country gliding coaches in the world. G is employed full time at Lasham Gliding Club in the UK as a coach and has been coaching each season at Omarama with Gavin Wills for many years. G will be providing coaching theory lectures (not to be missed) and practical each day as a part of the NSW GA coaching initiative set up by Bryan Hayhow for Cup Week. Narromine Gliding Club will have two Duo Discus and a Grob Twin Astir available for hire for one-on-one coaching. G's coaching is provided at no cost to GFA members. Hope to see you there. ROSS _ Ross McLean Mobile: + 61 488 270 105 Telephone: + 61 7 4325 4771 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Kingaroy Club Sports Class Nationals
Hi Everyone On behalf of Greg Schmidt: This e-mail is a reminder to those of you that are intending to fly at the Club Sports Class nationals at Kingaroy from the 8th to 19th of October that the late payment fee of $50 will be added to all payments after September 1st. For those of you that have not registered yet please visit http://www.kingaroynationals.com/ to register. We had a few problems with the web site in the last couple of weeks, this has now been remedied. Now would also be a good time to check that your Comp License is up to date to save a last minute rush for Berryl close to the Comp. The Waypoint and Airspace files have been sent to the Turnpiont Exchange and we will advise you when they have been published. Looking forward to seeing you all at Kingaroy in October Greg Schmidt ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] LX9000 for sale
Hi Macca Have sent an email to you off-list and tried calling your number. No response from either of those so hopefully someone will read this and prompt you to reply at some point. Best regards, ROSS _ Ross McLean Mobile: + 61 488 270 105 Telephone: + 61 7 4325 4771 From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ian Mc Phee Sent: Monday, 13 August 2012 9:42 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] LX9000 for sale I have a pilot who has new LX9000 in his new glider and he has decided he would rather have a ClearNav with CNv. The instrument came with the glider and would be about 12 months old and done guess 25 flights and little over 100hrs. It works perfectly he assures me and I have flown the glider. It would be as good as a new instrument and if interested I will put you in contact with the owner. I am not sure if he has worked out a price yet. Ian McPhee 0428847642 . ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Glide ratio
Ah yes, good point Tom. Although most of the stuff they do is low speed dives in formation with one usually inverted. The clips of their aeros are quite gentle in reality. I was actually just addressing the earlier question “Aren't Blaniks grounded?” ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of tom claffey Sent: Friday, 18 May 2012 8:17 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Glide ratio Should we all cheer because these guys find an expensive fix for a problem that probably won't affect anyone who doesn't thrash the crap out of a 40 year old glider never really intended for aeros? Tom _ From: Ross McLean ross...@bigpond.net.au To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Thursday, 17 May 2012 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Glide ratio These guys (Blanix Aerobatic team) are not only the ones that found the original problem causing the Blanik to be grounded in the first place, they are also responsible for the development of the STC fix, which everyone who has a grounded Blanik can now choose to apply. They have designed and implemented the fix on their two Blaniks and are now legally and safely airborne again. See the (thanks to Google Translate) excerpt from their website http://www.blanix.com/Web-Site_3/News/Eintrage/2011/4/8_Start_in_Sicht_html “Blanix airborne again 04/08/2011 There is progress!! The Blanix team will be involved this year after a really long dry spell in airshow circles! Thanks to great effort of many participants, the time, the up and downs over! Great ambition and motivation to gain new perspectives Blaniks this world: Aircraft design and certification ltd, an EASA-approved design organization has dedicated himself to Kurt's initiative, the Blanik problem ... with success! Basien Marcus, one of two managing directors has for over half a year dealt intensively with the matter - countless conversations, meetings and phone calls with the whole world were required to start the project can be. The result is now in the form of STC - Supplemental Type Certificate - above. In short, the aircraft must be in critical areas examined for cracks and modified subsequently. The effort and above all, emotions which are associated with this project, is probably as Many will not soon forget The two aircraft Blanix team are virtually the prototype. Of course, this modification provided technical conditions for everyone else in the world Blanik is applicable! Perhaps as one or the other Blanik find its way back again into the air, would appreciate it!” Regards, ROSS -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of john.mcfarlane Sent: Wednesday, 16 May 2012 11:20 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Glide ratio In the second image - Look at the oil canning on the lower wing surface of the inverted Blanik - Between the Bull and Airbrake box Redbull has enough money to maintain a shed full of exotic and very much more expensive machines. There is no AD due on new structures, me personally I would have just replaced the entire Attach and Carry through items and Wings with new ones. Not even a challenging job to replace if you make decisions like that - and would still much cheaper than new glass. -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Pete Sent: Wednesday, 16 May 2012 7:08 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Glide ratio On Wed, 16 May 2012 08:39:57 +1000 Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: At 08:24 AM 16/05/2012, you wrote: I wondered what the glide ratio of those flying suits was. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2144792/Redbull-skydivers-skies-high -Austria.html Looking at the pictures, about 2 Aren't Blaniks grounded? Or at least non aerobatic? uhm, Red Bull? Adrenalin, stunts? Flying Blaniks is part of the act. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Glide ratio
These guys (Blanix Aerobatic team) are not only the ones that found the original problem causing the Blanik to be grounded in the first place, they are also responsible for the development of the STC fix, which everyone who has a grounded Blanik can now choose to apply. They have designed and implemented the fix on their two Blaniks and are now legally and safely airborne again. See the (thanks to Google Translate) excerpt from their website http://www.blanix.com/Web-Site_3/News/Eintrage/2011/4/8_Start_in_Sicht_h tml Blanix airborne again 04/08/2011 There is progress!! The Blanix team will be involved this year after a really long dry spell in airshow circles! Thanks to great effort of many participants, the time, the up and downs over! Great ambition and motivation to gain new perspectives Blaniks this world: Aircraft design and certification ltd, an EASA-approved design organization has dedicated himself to Kurt's initiative, the Blanik problem ... with success! Basien Marcus, one of two managing directors has for over half a year dealt intensively with the matter - countless conversations, meetings and phone calls with the whole world were required to start the project can be. The result is now in the form of STC - Supplemental Type Certificate - above. In short, the aircraft must be in critical areas examined for cracks and modified subsequently. The effort and above all, emotions which are associated with this project, is probably as Many will not soon forget The two aircraft Blanix team are virtually the prototype. Of course, this modification provided technical conditions for everyone else in the world Blanik is applicable! Perhaps as one or the other Blanik find its way back again into the air, would appreciate it! Regards, ROSS -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of john.mcfarlane Sent: Wednesday, 16 May 2012 11:20 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Glide ratio In the second image - Look at the oil canning on the lower wing surface of the inverted Blanik - Between the Bull and Airbrake box Redbull has enough money to maintain a shed full of exotic and very much more expensive machines. There is no AD due on new structures, me personally I would have just replaced the entire Attach and Carry through items and Wings with new ones. Not even a challenging job to replace if you make decisions like that - and would still much cheaper than new glass. -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Pete Sent: Wednesday, 16 May 2012 7:08 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Glide ratio On Wed, 16 May 2012 08:39:57 +1000 Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: At 08:24 AM 16/05/2012, you wrote: I wondered what the glide ratio of those flying suits was. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2144792/Redbull-skydivers-skies-high -Austria.html Looking at the pictures, about 2 Aren't Blaniks grounded? Or at least non aerobatic? uhm, Red Bull? Adrenalin, stunts? Flying Blaniks is part of the act. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
