[Aus-soaring] 54th Australian Multiclass Nationals and Pre-Worlds
Hi all, The competition website for the next Multiclass Nationals and Pre-Worlds is now up and running atwww.ozglide.com http://www.ozglide.com/ This site contains initial details of the event, entry forms, and useful information and links. It is of course far from complete but it will grow quickly. and if you are planning to attend please bookmark the site. Please also pass the link on to anyone in Australia or overseas who you think may be interested. Please contact me through the site or at my private email address if you need more information. -- Cheers /Tim Shirley/ /tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Syndicates
Hi all, Such a document was there at one time, but not now. I suspect it was removed because it isn't a matter where GFA has any involvement, and because of a concern that members who used it uncritically could later claim that a problem arising was to some extent GFA's fault. So having it there could have placed GFA as a party to an otherwise private dispute. This is speculation. I don't have any knowledge of the reasons it was there in the first place, or the official reasons for its removal. I don't have a copy. Members who are currently in syndicates may well have agreements they could share with the original questioner on a private basis. Although I am very happy with my current syndicate arrangements, I agree with Mike that the ideal number of syndicate members is an odd number less than 3. Cheers /Tim Shirley/ /tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/ On 24/03/2015 9:00 AM, Laurie Hoffman wrote: GFA used to have a suggested syndicate formation pro forma which may still be available on the website. Regards Laurie Hoffman * * / / *From:* Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net *Sent:* Monday, 23 March 2015, 20:50 *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Syndicates At 06:48 PM 23/03/2015, you wrote: Getting out of partnerships/syndicates is usually more difficult than getting in. Does anyone have a good set of rules or rule for syndicate operation and exit of members? Is there a rule or rules that might help avoid a bad experience that you have had? Trevor Burke Rule 1. There shall be only one member in the syndicate. Rule 2. See Rule 1. Guaranteed to avoid problems. Mike ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] FLARM update
Hi all, Flarms are standalone devices. They won't stop working tomorrow, because there is nothing to stop them working. A Flarm on V5 will see a Flarm on V5 just the same for ever, so it is probably better for the upgrade at a club, or in an area where gliders often fly together, to be co-ordinated. Making an instant change to your own Flarm might simply disable yours :) Flarm is being 100% consistent in its policy, and if that is irresponsible well then more irresponsibility from Tony Abbott would be good (if that is possible). They have NEVER guaranteed that a major version upgrade is backward compatible, in fact they have always said that any backward compatibility between major versions is coincidental. I make no comment on the reasons or the necessity for this policy. There's nothing wrong with a Flarm, except for the far too high expectations we have of it. Just look out the window - no version changes required but make sure your specs are up to spec. Cheers /Tim Shirley/ /tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/ On 14/03/2015 6:54 PM, Matthew Scutter wrote: FYI: FLARM has now published it's latest update - v6. It's available here: http://flarm.com/support/firmware-updates/ The protocols in the current version (v5) and new version (v6) are supposedly totally incompatible, so please update your FLARMs before next flight or you won't be able to see pilots with the other version. soapbox opinion I think it's very irresponsible of FLARM to publish a backwards incompatible upgrade like this. I am glad I am not flying in the Alps this weekend. /opinion ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Competitive club class sailplane wanted to buy.
Benalla next 2 years will be multiclass, not Club Class. I rather doubt that the winning glider in January 2017 will have cost less than $60K. :) Cheers /Tim Shirley/ /tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/ On 18/02/2015 9:12 PM, Justin Sinclair wrote: Hi all, I am chasing a competitive sailplane for an international pilot to purchase. It would have to be a top level competitive airframe capable of winning club class. The purchaser will need it for Benalla next year. No instruments, parachute or trailer required. Damage history not important Finish in gel ok as long as it's good. Budget under 60k. Will look at money down and terms if you want more than 60k. If you are thinking of selling over the next 11 months or If you know of anything sitting around can you email me privately at jjsincl...@optusnet.com.au Thanks Justin Justin Sinclair 17 Queen st. Scarborough Qld 4020 Hm 07 3885 8949 Mob 0421 061 811 Email jjsincl...@optusnet.com.au Justin Sinclair 17 Queen st. Scarborough Qld 4020 Hm 07 3885 8949 Mob 0421 061 811 Email jjsincl...@optusnet.com.au Sent from my iPad ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Blanik Flights [Was] Early X/C pilots
I believe that a Blanik held the Free Distance 2 seat record in Australia for many years. Something like Waikerie to Narromine? Someone with access to historical information such as old AG magazines, (or with a longer memory) may recall better than I can. Cheers /Tim Shirley/ /tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/ On 17/02/2015 12:00 PM, Ross McLean wrote: There was a long standing tradition for many years that Mark Bland and various co-pilots would fly the Blanik from Mt Beauty to Narromine and return during Narromine Cup week. ROSS _ *From:*aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *stephenk *Sent:* Tuesday, 17 February 2015 8:38 AM *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. *Subject:* [Aus-soaring] Blanik Flights [Was] Early X/C pilots On 16/02/2015 9:30 PM, Gary Stevenson wrote: ... Question: Does anybody have an idea as to the max distance a K13/Blanik has flown in Australia? I seem to recall that a Blanik once held a World Record with a distance flight of over 800 k. ... No, I don't know what the longest is, but in 1989 Port Augusta Gliding Club won the two seater decentralised competition with two 300s and a 500 in a Blanik. If my memory serves me correctly the second place getter was a certain large club who flew long flights in a high performance glider (possible ASH25 but my memory is hazy) including one 1000km. But we beat them on handicap. Regards SWK ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Blanik Flights [Was] Early X/C pilots
If you want a messenger to continue delivering messages, it would be best not to start by shooting them. Cheers /Tim Shirley/ /tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/ On 17/02/2015 2:03 PM, Christopher McDonnell wrote: Records are just that. RECORDS! *From:* Tim Shirley mailto:tshir...@internode.on.net *Sent:* Tuesday, February 17, 2015 12:36 PM *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Blanik Flights [Was] Early X/C pilots There is a list of current records, but (to the best of my knowledge) no archive of previous holders. I could be wrong. I was, once. Cheers /Tim Shirley/ /tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/ On 17/02/2015 1:10 PM, Christopher McDonnell wrote: Surely there is an accessible permanent archive of such matters kept by the responsible entity. *From:* Tim Shirley mailto:tshir...@internode.on.net *Sent:* Tuesday, February 17, 2015 11:44 AM *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Blanik Flights [Was] Early X/C pilots I believe that a Blanik held the Free Distance 2 seat record in Australia for many years. Something like Waikerie to Narromine? Someone with access to historical information such as old AG magazines, (or with a longer memory) may recall better than I can. Cheers /Tim Shirley/ /tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/ On 17/02/2015 12:00 PM, Ross McLean wrote: There was a long standing tradition for many years that Mark Bland and various co-pilots would fly the Blanik from Mt Beauty to Narromine and return during Narromine Cup week. ROSS _ *From:*aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *stephenk *Sent:* Tuesday, 17 February 2015 8:38 AM *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. *Subject:* [Aus-soaring] Blanik Flights [Was] Early X/C pilots On 16/02/2015 9:30 PM, Gary Stevenson wrote: ... Question: Does anybody have an idea as to the max distance a K13/Blanik has flown in Australia? I seem to recall that a Blanik once held a World Record with a distance flight of over 800 k. ... No, I don't know what the longest is, but in 1989 Port Augusta Gliding Club won the two seater decentralised competition with two 300s and a 500 in a Blanik. If my memory serves me correctly the second place getter was a certain large club who flew long flights in a high performance glider (possible ASH25 but my memory is hazy) including one 1000km. But we beat them on handicap. Regards SWK ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Blanik Flights [Was] Early X/C pilots
There is a list of current records, but (to the best of my knowledge) no archive of previous holders. I could be wrong. I was, once. Cheers /Tim Shirley/ /tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/ On 17/02/2015 1:10 PM, Christopher McDonnell wrote: Surely there is an accessible permanent archive of such matters kept by the responsible entity. *From:* Tim Shirley mailto:tshir...@internode.on.net *Sent:* Tuesday, February 17, 2015 11:44 AM *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Blanik Flights [Was] Early X/C pilots I believe that a Blanik held the Free Distance 2 seat record in Australia for many years. Something like Waikerie to Narromine? Someone with access to historical information such as old AG magazines, (or with a longer memory) may recall better than I can. Cheers /Tim Shirley/ /tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/ On 17/02/2015 12:00 PM, Ross McLean wrote: There was a long standing tradition for many years that Mark Bland and various co-pilots would fly the Blanik from Mt Beauty to Narromine and return during Narromine Cup week. ROSS _ *From:*aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *stephenk *Sent:* Tuesday, 17 February 2015 8:38 AM *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. *Subject:* [Aus-soaring] Blanik Flights [Was] Early X/C pilots On 16/02/2015 9:30 PM, Gary Stevenson wrote: ... Question: Does anybody have an idea as to the max distance a K13/Blanik has flown in Australia? I seem to recall that a Blanik once held a World Record with a distance flight of over 800 k. ... No, I don't know what the longest is, but in 1989 Port Augusta Gliding Club won the two seater decentralised competition with two 300s and a 500 in a Blanik. If my memory serves me correctly the second place getter was a certain large club who flew long flights in a high performance glider (possible ASH25 but my memory is hazy) including one 1000km. But we beat them on handicap. Regards SWK ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Benalla Nationals and Pre-Worlds
Hi all, For information of all who may wish to attend, the next Multiclass Nationals - incorporating the pre-worlds - will be held at Benalla from Monday 4th (official practice) to Friday 15th Jan, 2016. The event is now on the GFA Calendar. I will be the contest director, and other team members will be advised as planning progresses. The event will be generally as for an Australian Multiclass Nationals and will be held in the usual 4 classes (Standard, 15M, 18M and Open). There will be some changes to accommodate a larger number of foreign entrants, and where possible we will treat this as a dress rehearsal for the Worlds and run as closely as we can to a WGC format and approach. Expect challenging tasks :) A website and entry details will be published shortly, however this will give you a chance to start planning and arranging accommodation etc. Note that Benalla is a full time operation throughout the season (November to March) and pilots wishing to prepare and practice are welcome at any time. -- Cheers /Tim Shirley/ /tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Ian Grant
Replied privately Cheers /Tim Shirley/ /tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/ On 16/01/2015 8:42 AM, Adam Woolley wrote: Hello All, Does anyone have Ian Grants contact details? He's the owner of a Ventus, VTM from VIC? Cheers, WPP ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] spin training
Hi Harry, Merry Christmas to you. You have of course (and as usual), correctly identified the real problem. It is safe speed near the ground. Maintain that and there will be no chance of spinning. Spinning is a secondary effect of flying too slow, yet somehow it is now the spin and not the speed that is considered all important in our training system. If we want to safely train for safe speed near the ground, including spin recognition and recovery, we should be making much more use of simulators, at every level of experience. If people on the list have never tried this, visit Benalla and see what happens when you spin a Ventus 2, a K21, an Astir or an Antares. You can try all in the space of 30 minutes. It is genuinely realistic. Recover wrong (depending on the glider) and it flicks the other way.And if it turns into a spiral dive and exceeds VNE it flutters and the wings fall off. You can do a flat over-ruddered turn at any altitude including on final. No one dies, but the experience is genuine and the lesson graphic. The same by the way is true for teaching rope breaks and launch failures, on both aerotow and winch. And if anyone thinks that simulators are not putting enough pressure on, try it first. You won't make that claim after you have just killed yourself. The sim at Benalla was made out of an IS28 fuselage because it has all the controls, it has a wraparound 180 deg screen, and can be used for all phases of flight including cross-country. It cost less than $10,000 to make, uses off the shelf components and costs next to nothing to run. It isn't portable though. Oh and there is nothing at all wrong with old gliders. They are often beautiful, historic and a pleasure to fly. But basically irrelevant for training people who are going to fly modern gliders. The way forward won't be found by looking in the rear view mirror :) Cheers /Tim Shirley/ /tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/ On 26/12/2014 10:15 AM, Harry wrote: Hi All, I wrote the attached article and it received a few comments, both on and off the web. I should have summarised as follows. 1. If you enter a spin a modern glider below 1,000 ft. AGL you will almost certainly die. No amount of prior training will make much difference. 2.Your first defence is to maintain safe speed near the ground. Your early training should be such that you feel very uncomfortable if below this criteria. 3. To maintain this speed you must monitor the ASI. Ground features mean relying on the horizon attitude is not accurate, particularly with modern slippery gliders. The ASI should be checked regularly and the closer to the ground and more adverse the conditions the more frequently the check. On final under turbulent conditions a quick check no more than every 5 seconds is needed to ensure safe speed is maintained. 4. Learning and practicing incipient recovery. If things go wrong incipient recovery means living to a ripe old age more certain, whether in a thermal or close to the ground. 5. Spin training helps in spins at altitude. Enter a spin below about 1,000 ft AGL in a modern glider and you will most likely be dead in about 5 seconds. Harry Medlicott Hi All, Sorry to be controversial but I believe most of our spin training is marginal in saving lives in the real world. Of far greater significance are design factors reducing the propensity of gliders to spin. Spin related accidents in Europe have substantially reduced over time. No changes in spin training but modern gliders are far more forgiving. My first club had winch launching only and every year a tug was brought in and towed gliders to 3,000 ft for spin training. After briefing, students were quite comfortable going through the standard recovery procedures. My second club was winch launching only. Often there were periods when we had students due for spin training but weather conditions were such that thermals were not able to give us much by way of height. I experimented with a Blanik by a spin of the top of a winch launch which after one turn allowed recovery by 1,000 ft. before using the procedure with a student. OK in a Blanik but certainly not in some other types Despite very careful briefing a few minutes before the results were entirely different to those when entering a spin at 3,000 ft. Upon seeing the ground below them the student would immediately pull the control column right back and sometimes also move the control column away from the descending wing. It was an involuntary reaction but the one we would use to keep the glider in a spin. So far as I am aware most spin accidents occur close to the ground, below about 1,000 ft unless one is flying a particularly nasty glider such as an IS28, which can take over 1,000 ft for the whole process. If what I am saying is correct, then what are the chances of a pilot using the correct recovery processes in a low level spin, perhaps a considerable time
Re: [Aus-soaring] IS-28B CQC's last flying day:
There is a Pegase at Horsham, owned by the Horsham Flying Club. There is a Centrair Marianne 2 seater at Benalla, privately owned. As a club committee member, I would have 2 comments about this thread: 1. It doesn't seem to be a wise strategy for the future of gliding to teach tomorrows pilots to fly in yesterday's gliders. The ASK21 is not new, but at least it is closer to modern technology than an IS28 and flies much more like a modern glider. 2. I'm not sure where anyone would obtain liability insurance or hull insurance for training someone or flying a passenger in an experimental category aircraft of any kind. Seems to me that our sport spends far too much of its time and energy flogging dead horses. Merry Christmas to all. Cheers /Tim Shirley/ /tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/ On 24/12/2014 8:27 AM, Greg Wilson wrote: The USA were the only country to enforce a 3,000 hour life limit on Centrair Pegase due to their interpretation of the maintenance manual of that aircraft which had been translated from French to English. One page of the manual stated 3,000 hour life extension while another mentioned 3,000 life. When asked for a ruling (by some nutcase who owned one in the USA), the FAA ruled on 3,000 life instantly grounding all Pegase in that country with more than 3,000 hours. Many were still flying in European clubs with more than 3,000 hours. That ruling in the USA has only recently been overturned. The 2014 release of the Pegase maintenance manual (in french) clearly states 3,000 hour life extension. AFAIK there are 2 Pegase in Australia, mine and one in a Vic club (Benalla?). Cheers, Greg Wilson. On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 05:08:39 +1100 *Jim Staniforth staniforth...@yahoo.com* wrote For reference, it isn't just GFA / CASA. Even though EXP registration is much more common in the USA, FAA is not interested in moving an aircraft to EXP for life extension purposes. It has of course been tried with the Centrair Pegase.* Under FAA regulations, an EXP aircraft can be flown by rated pilots only. EXP two-seaters cannot be used for instruction or rides. Single-seat EXP can be rented just like STD aircraft, or used for towing. In my experience, registering and insuring FAA EXP is no different to STD. Just different paperwork. Jim *The Pegase now has a life extension program thanks to the work primarily of Bob Carlton. /...a Global Alternate Method Of Compliance (AMOC) that will raise the current 3,000 hour life limit on Centrair Pegase 101, 101P, 101A and 101AP gliders to 4,500 hours/... On 12/23/2014 5:41 AM, Mark Newton wrote: 49-5452-46e5-9771-3e6f7d4b1...@atdot.dotat.org type=cite On 24 Dec 2014, at 12:27 am, Al Borowskial.borow...@gmail.com mailto:al.borow...@gmail.com wrote: Is there nothing like an 'Experimental' category in the glider world? It seems weird to me that I can (in theory) jump into a home-designed ultralight powered with a lawnmower motor, but can't operate a glider grounded due to a paperwork issue. The issue is fraught. GFA can issue experimental C-of-A's (or could until an audit a year or two ago, at any rate). But experimental aircraft can't be flown for hire or reward, including training; so a club can't feasibly operate them. CASA seems to take a dim view of an aircraft which meets a type certificate in all requirements except service life being operated as experimental. Except they're not consistent about it, because they obviously allow warbirds to remain in service well past their design life. You could probably operate a glider on an experimental C-of-A if it has a genuinely experimental feature, and if it was operated privately. Perhaps the IS28's at CQC wouldn't fit that template,- mark ___ Aus-soaring mailing listaus-soar...@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit:http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Tasman New Vario
Hi all, Thanks heaps to people posting factual information about products of interest to soaring pilots. It is so much more useful than most of the nonsense that passes for comment here. Even if people are singing the praises of their own products, I still welcome all such information. I already have a high-end vario, so I'm not in the market for yet another magic box that will transform me into Sebastian Kawa. It didn't work with the first one either, though I am sure that is down to me. The instrument works fine. I also have a Winter vario that performs well enough as a backup but when I recently had a fuse blow in flight, I found myself with only the Winter for a couple of hours and I would have preferred a bit of audio and an averager. Of course, such a backup vario doesn't need to be complex and certainly it should not be expensive. It just needs to have a backup power supply onboard the instrument. So what are the options? Oh, and a reminder to all, I still have a very nice Discus for sale at a very reasonable price :) Cheers /Tim Shirley/ /tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/ On 6/12/2014 2:26 PM, Mike Borgelt wrote: Imitation is the greatest compliment. Sounds like they've copied most of the features from our B700/900. We've had the climb improving green light since the B400/B500 9 years ago and put in the comparator for the running average/thermal average as well on the B700 3 years ago and its more recent linear scale version the B900. Also the climb audio on/off ratio changes slightly when climb rate exceeds running average. B400/B700/B900 can run from 4 x AA alkaline batteries for hours (power pack but no batteries included). These are also on the B600/B800 systems which have an airspeed sensor, advanced vario processing (optional netto or relative), speed to fly, glide/nav/wind computer, GPS and serial output of GPS, air data and settings to external PNA type glide computers. All our varios also have a large clear stepper motor driven pointer of extremely high resolution. The stepper allows for nearly 360 degree pointer movement (more can be confusing) giving significantly expanded scales. Most manufacturers were offering LCD pointer displays in the 1980s but nearly all have gone to stepper motor driven pointers. We looked at this around 1987 but didn't like the poor 0.4 knot resolution that was the best possible. You'd be really annoyed if say a Winter vario had a pointer that moved in half knot steps. All our instruments are available to properly fit 57mm or 80mm standard holes (adapter plates not required) and by putting the scales on the outside of the hole even the 57mm instruments have a larger, clearer display. The B600/B800 can also take our new Dynamis sensor for complete 3D real time airmass motion sensing and no horizontal gust sensitivity. Expensive (the sensor mainly), but unmatched capability. A recent customer who fitted a B800 to get an early Dynamis when available has found he likes the audio better than the one in the CAI302 it replaced and better than the LX9000 audio. Mike At 11:15 AM 6/12/2014, you wrote: Tasman Instruments have released a completely new model, the VRM 10 /Sprite/. It has a lot of new features such as elapsed time clock, recorded alarms including under carriage warning but its best feature is the way it allows you to more daily centre thermals. It also has up/down arrows showing whether the climb is improving or the need to recenter or leave the thermal. It also has tone selection, fast response and of course does not need a flask as per the previous Tasman model. I was lucky to be able to have XON as a test bed for its development and it has certainly impressed out syndicate pilots. Worth a look! Cheers David Cleland ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring *Borgelt Instruments***- /design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 /www.borgeltinstruments.com http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/tel: 07 4635 5784overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784: int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] date problem - older loggers
Hi all, Although typically this can be resolved by replacement of the internal battery (and then keeping it charged), the reality is that this will be an ongoing and random problem - because the failure occurs after the internal battery fails or is allowed to run flat. It is possible that the IGC Sporting Code will be amended to allow this date change to be accepted for some levels of validation, though I doubt it would be changed sufficiently to allow the validation of a record claim, and changes do take some time. However, the bottom line is that it is really time to consider an upgrade. I don't think anyone can expect an item of electronic equipment to last for ever, and these have lasted far longer than most. Cheers /Tim Shirley/ /tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/ On 1/12/2014 1:17 AM, Ron Sanders wrote: Regards how widespread this is Pam i do not know but i have two volksloggers that tell me it is 1995. ron S On 29 November 2014 at 16:11, pam p...@kurstjens.com wrote: Please be aware that some older Flight Recorders have a problem with the DATE – they think it is 1995. This is coming from the older Garmin engines in some FRs- so far Cambridge 20, 25, older 302s, Volksloggers, Zander models have been identified. Ask the agent for your FR if they can fix the problem. Ian Macphee can fix Cambridge untis – call him. Here is something from a recent thread on Aus-Soaring: Ian Mc Phee Tue, 11 Nov 2014 12:49:51 -0800 All the model 20 Cambridge camera box loggers have this garmin gps 25 engine as well as early aluminium case 302 vario (not the newer black case ones). Many now are displaying this March 1995 date yet are still acquiring satellites navigating which I find strange. At this stage I am replacing 302s with a garmin GPS15 engine which is smaller but with adapter fits. I can replace the GPS25 battery and then reset the clock (adding UTC time and lat and long approx maybe they will kick start again) but is a real pain. Anyhow if you have a Cambridge mod 20 or non black case 302 then check date and if 1995 you WILL have issues. I ask the question how many electronic items do you have 20 years old? Not many I suspect. The model 10 brick box is over 20 yrs old and most model 20 loggers are over 15 years old. So maybe upgrade time is coming and remember all vario makers have made significant improvements in varios over the years. Ian Mcphee You will need to send the Volkslogger to some-one who can reset the memory inside the GPS and at the same time replace the internal battery or upgrade to a new logger. See post from several years ago from on Aus-Soaring. I found this post which indicates that the engine is a Garmin GPS25. Just to wrap things up, this problem has beep traced to the Garmin GPS Engine. The GPS25 engine has a battery which maintains some memory and also runs the Real Time Clock when the device is not in use, recharging during normal operation. When the GPS25 battery is low (which happens more often the older the logger is), memory in the GPS engine sometimes gets partially corrupted, in a way that the GPS is not able to detect. Therefore, the GPS thinks it is 1,024 weeks (about 19.6 years) before present date. The solution is to replace the GPS battery (in order to reduce the probability of a re-occurrence), and reset the memory inside the GPS so that it knows in which 19.6 year epoch it is. This is not something the user can do. It has nothing to do with the Volkslogger Internal Battery, but it is perhaps worth thinking about taking the opportunity of replacing it during the repair. Sounds like the GPS date rollover problem affecting older GPS units, where the date wraps around every 1024 weeks. Here, 8 Nov 2014 minus 1024 weeks is 25 March 1995. The problem should have first appeared on 21 August 1999. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_formatting_and_storage_bugs ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Bizarre Comp Rules...
Hi all, Once again a disclaimer: I hold no relevant official position with the GFA. I do have considerable experience as a rulemaker, as a Contest Director, as a Scorer, and as a competition pilot. I speak only for myself. What follows is general clarification about competitions and rules, and is not intended as a comment on any specific incident. Back when I was involved in competition rulemaking, I remember we introduced some principles as a preamble to the rules and on checking I found that most of them are still there: At alltimesit remainsthe responsibilityofpilotstooperateinaccordancewiththe GFAManualofStandard Proceduresandall applicablelawsandregulations. Pilotsareexpectedtoconduct themselvesat alltimesinthespiritoftheserulesand inaccordancewiththe practice ofgoodsportsmanship. *Safetyis at all times theprimary consideration.Ifat anytimeapilot feels that therequirementsoftheserules compromises thesafetyoftheirflight thentheyshould takewhatever actionsarerequiredtoensurethesafety ofthemselves and ofother air users.This may includewithdrawing fromthetaskor fromthecompetition.* Pilotsare requiredtoconduct themselvesina mannerthatwill notbringdisrepute on the Organisers, the hostingclub orthe GFA. There is nothing in the competition rules that suspends any laws. There are no exemptions. Pilots flying in a competition are just pilots, and must obey every requirement of the law. They remain fully responsible as Pilots in Command for the conduct of the flight. If they choose to disobey the law or good practice then that is entirely their responsibility. The competition is a game. Flying is not. No one wants to break their glider or themselves, and the rules of the game clearly discourage that by the simple fact that most of the time there is another race tomorrow. You won't get any points from a hospital bed or if your glider is in bits. On the last day, well if there was a million dollars at stake I could imagine that the risk of rolling yourself into a ball might be worth taking for some - but in our game why would anyone break a $100K glider for a bottle of cheap wine and a round of applause? Or even for the opportunity to spend shed loads of their own money representing Australia? If you want to know who is responsible for the safety of a flight where you are the Pilot in Command, take a good look in a mirror. And be very sure of what you see. Cheers /Tim Shirley/ /tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/ On 28/10/2014 2:06 PM, Texler, Michael wrote: The caveat should be in place that the crash was a result of your own poor decision making. Now what constitutes poor decision making is a matter of opinion. Surely competition rules should be in place to discourage crashing: i.e. you crash, you are out of the comp. You pack up and go home. I'll leave it to others more experienced in these matters to give reasons why. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] For Sale
Hi all, I'm never sure if it is OK to do this or not, but it is at least related to gliding :) For Sale: DISCUS A VH-GLE (D1). 3,000 hours (no survey required till 6,000) and Form 2 current to Aug 2015. This glider has done a 1000k, a 790k last season and is a proven competition winner -- she won Standard Class at the Nationals only 6 years ago against LS8's and Discus 2's. Very good condition. Epikote paint, winglets, Dittel radio, OzFlarm, basic instruments (others negotiable), good trailer, towout gear.Always hangared. Currently located at Benalla.$46,000 or offer. Call Tim Shirley 0417 268 073 or tshir...@internode.on.net. -- Cheers /Tim Shirley/ /tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Unsubscribe
All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent Thomas Jefferson, I believe. Cheers /Tim Shirley/ /tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/ On 17/09/2014 12:30 PM, Jim Staniforth wrote: But using Catherine Conway's selective deafness technique is an option too. Jim On 9/16/2014 7:05 PM, Simon Hackett wrote: Hello Jim (and anyone else with the same request) - please read the bottom four lines of this message. Cheers, Simon On 13 Sep 2014, at 9:31 am, jim crowhurst jimcrowhu...@hotmail.com mailto:jimcrowhu...@hotmail.com wrote: Unsubscribe me please Jim Crowhurst ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Cost, hail damage
There are plenty of examples of stupidity on this list. But this one is simply breathtaking. Sexist, offensive... some might even suggest pornographic. Not something I want in my inbox thanks. And certainly not a positive contribution to inclusive attitudes in our sport. Some subsequent comments are only making it worse. Stop it, please. Cheers /Tim Shirley/ /tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/ On 12/09/2014 7:27 AM, Justin Sinclair wrote: Hi Simon, unfortunately that is a Schleicher model, no amount of money short of the GDP of NewZealand will fix it. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes
Hi all, I think that the last person to have any interest in naked emperors was named Josephine, before this thread exposed a whole new concept in glider pilot fetishes. But I digress. At its recent meeting in Adelaide, I understand that the GFA Board approved a change that will allow non-training clubs to form under the GFA system. This will mean (as I understand it) that a group of suitably qualified members can form a club that has no CFI, no 2 seater and no training operation. The qualification requirement would be a GPC for each member. Pilots would still be responsible individually for getting their annual check (somewhere else, obviously) and maintaining their medical status. I don't know any other details, so no point in asking. But I do know it happened. I expect the official announcement won't be far away. Go for it, guys. And girls. Disclaimer 1: I hold no official position in the GFA apart from looking after some IT systems. This is, therefore, not an official statement of any kind and may be complete bollocks. Disclaimer 2: No crickets were harmed in the writing or sending of this email. A large number of electrons, however, were seriously inconvenienced. Cheers /Tim Shirley/ /tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/ On 3/09/2014 1:10 PM, Ron Sanders wrote: If I had a license for gliding just like my PPL I would probably (most likely) still join a club. I still like talking gliding at the end of the day, I still like comparing cross-country flights at the end of the day. At the end of the day, I still don't like being beholden to the duty pilot or the day instructor, when I am fitting in, just going about my business and enjoying the day. Nobody forces instructors to do what they do, so they must get some kind of reward out of it. Ron On 3 September 2014 10:35, Robert Izatt thebunyipboo...@gmail.com wrote: The salient point in Mike's comment is the GA Instructor/commercial pilot spends the cash or bums hours to get his rating because there is an income stream at the end - he/she hopes. But so does the swim coach at your local State School. Long gone are the days when any sort of quality coach or instructor was a pure volunteer. Join a yacht club (similar infrastructure etc) and the sailing instructor and the club will give you a bill for her time and you are happy because you got value for your money. Gliding instructors do spend big dollars getting a ticket and then volunteer a full day, drive 250kms at their own expense, on 40 degree days only to be told by some snot nose Treasurer, who couldn't find his way 10kms from home without a GPS and thinks that's OK, that instructors don't work hard enough for the club. Club's are good things but this whole discussion revolves around an antiquated volunteer system. Club's need volunteers to function but gliding holds up its most valuable resource - knowledge, skill and experience - and says or rather boasts that it has no dollar value and we all know the world ain't like that Toto. Rob Izatt On 03/09/2014, at 10:49 AM, Mike Borgelt wrote: Ullrich, Rob Izatt is correct. when operating independently is the catch phrase. Don't forget also that an L2 independent operator rating can fail to be renewed by a club at a whim. If you don't believe that this can't happen due to personal feuds and vendettas or political differences I think you are naive. I know of one club where nearly half the membership was grounded and left the club because they had the temerity to call a special general meeting to get the club to buy its own tug so that the club would own a launch means which it owned instead relying on tugs owned by a syndicate of the old guard which were only intermittently available and were restricting flying. The old guard called up people they knew whose membership had lapsed years ago, signed thm up with a current year's subs and won the vote by 3 votes whereupon the losers were grounded by the club. To get any kind of instructor rating in power you need a commercial licence (at least 150 maybe 200 hours or so depending how and where you do it) and a proper instructor course which involves something like 30 to 40 hours of flying and a similar amount of ground instruction. Don't hold me to that as it was a while ago at the aero club where a couple of blokes were going through that. I'm sure the requirements haven't decreased. Seems a reasonable thing to me. When you talk of discouraging people by raising the instructor hours required the question arises - what problem are we trying to solve with the gliding instruction system? Are we trying to provide free flying for instructors at the students' expense? If so, the system is successful albeit at a fairly horrendous cost in dead and injured students and large numbers of discouraged would glider pilots. If we are trying to turn out competent glider pilots I'd say the system is very inefficient. The pity is that just about everyone (including I'm sure
Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes
To quote Groucho Marx: I would not join any club that would be willing to have me as a member. Cheers /Tim Shirley/ /tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/ On 3/09/2014 2:48 PM, Mike Borgelt wrote: So only 23 years after the Gawler Gliding Club was formed the GFA gets around to enabling such clubs? So why should people who want to do this have any kind of club at all? Why not the scenario put forth by Al Borowski? How about a club of ONE member? It is hardly a radical concept as it is exactly what is done in the RAAus. There are RAAus members and they MAY form clubs. They aren't forced to.There are also commercially run flying schools and privately run airfields which provide a runway and hangarage. I'm not aware that anyone in RAAus finds this a problem at all. Mike At 02:22 PM 3/09/2014, you wrote: Hi all, I think that the last person to have any interest in naked emperors was named Josephine, before this thread exposed a whole new concept in glider pilot fetishes. But I digress. At its recent meeting in Adelaide, I understand that the GFA Board approved a change that will allow non-training clubs to form under the GFA system. This will mean (as I understand it) that a group of suitably qualified members can form a club that has no CFI, no 2 seater and no training operation. The qualification requirement would be a GPC for each member. Pilots would still be responsible individually for getting their annual check (somewhere else, obviously) and maintaining their medical status. I don't know any other details, so no point in asking. But I do know it happened. I expect the official announcement won't be far away. Go for it, guys. And girls. Disclaimer 1: I hold no official position in the GFA apart from looking after some IT systems. This is, therefore, not an official statement of any kind and may be complete bollocks. Disclaimer 2: No crickets were harmed in the writing or sending of this email. A large number of electrons, however, were seriously inconvenienced. Cheers /Tim Shirley / /tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare /On 3/09/2014 1:10 PM, Ron Sanders wrote: If I had a license for gliding just like my PPL I would probably (most likely) still join a club. I still like talking gliding at the end of the day, I still like comparing cross-country flights at the end of the day. At the end of the day, I still don't like being beholden to the duty pilot or the day instructor, when I am fitting in, just going about my business and enjoying the day. Nobody forces instructors to do what they do, so they must get some kind of reward out of it. Ron On 3 September 2014 10:35, Robert Izatt thebunyipboo...@gmail.com mailto:thebunyipboo...@gmail.com wrote: The salient point in Mike's comment is the GA Instructor/commercial pilot spends the cash or bums hours to get his rating because there is an income stream at the end - he/she hopes. But so does the swim coach at your local State School. Long gone are the days when any sort of quality coach or instructor was a pure volunteer. Join a yacht club (similar infrastructure etc) and the sailing instructor and the club will give you a bill for her time and you are happy because you got value for your money. Gliding instructors do spend big dollars getting a ticket and then volunteer a full day, drive 250kms at their own expense, on 40 degree days only to be told by some snot nose Treasurer, who couldn't find his way 10kms from home without a GPS and thinks that's OK, that instructors don't work hard enough for the club. Club's are good things but this whole discussion revolves around an antiquated volunteer system. Club's need volunteers to function but gliding holds up its most valuable resource - knowledge, skill and experience - and says or rather boasts that it has no dollar value and we all know the world ain't like that Toto. Rob Izatt On 03/09/2014, at 10:49 AM, Mike Borgelt wrote: Ullrich, Rob Izatt is correct. when operating independently is the catch phrase. Don't forget also that an L2 independent operator rating can fail to be renewed by a club at a whim. If you don't believe that this can't happen due to personal feuds and vendettas or political differences I think you are naive. I know of one club where nearly half the membership was grounded and left the club because they had the temerity to call a special general meeting to get the club to buy its own tug so that the club would own a launch means which it owned instead relying on tugs owned by a syndicate of the old guard which were only intermittently available and were restricting flying. The old guard called up people they knew whose membership had lapsed years ago, signed thm up with a current year's subs and won the vote by 3 votes whereupon the losers were grounded by the club. To get any kind of instructor rating in power you need a commercial licence (at least 150 maybe 200 hours or so depending how and where you
[Aus-soaring] RANGA Scholarship Reminder
Hi all, Just to remind you all, the RANGA Scholarship applications for this year close on the 3rd July. Details are on the website www.glidingaustralia.org. This scholarship provides up to $1500 towards gliding training for any pilot who has not yet gone solo in any type of flying. If you are not eligible yourself, consider someone in your club as a possibility and encourage them. -- Cheers /Tim Shirley/ /tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Position Info
If it would be useful , it can be added to the membership system easily. It would of course be optional. Cheers /Tim Shirley/ /tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/ On 05/06/2014 14:49, Morgan wrote: In answer to the original question, one good feature of the SSA (American) website is that the tracking URL of members is available online. It is not limited to any particular service, although most pilots use SPOT. If you know that Person X took off from your site this morning, you can find their tracking link through the SSA and go immediately to their service's map page to see where they are. This also appears to be the main source of GlidePortAero's database. They may have just copied the SSA database to get the name and contest ID for all the tracks that they show on their maps. Perhaps the GFA can add this to the membership system? I publish my SPOT link on my personal website but not many people would think of looking there in an emergency. -Morgan *From:*aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *Laurie Hoffman *Sent:* Wednesday, 4 June 2014 5:39 PM *To:* aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net *Subject:* [Aus-soaring] Position Info Hi All, Have been thinking about our need for a programme that will give spot info primarily in the event of a need for SAR. Has anyone had success with something that offers real time data and that doesn't need sms which would become expensive with regular monitoring? */Regards/* */Laurie Hoffman/* ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] GFA Awards 2014 and RANGA Scholarship
*GFA Awards and Trophies* As GFA Awards officer I would like to remind you that nominations for the GFA Awards and trophies are open and will close at the end of July. The Trophies are: *Martin Warner Trophy* (best gain of height in the season) *Wally Woods Trophy* (longest X/C flight of the season) *Bob Irvine Trophy* (longest X/C flight on handicap in the season). These trophies are awarded on application and require a valid IGC file as evidence. The season is defined as 1st May 2013 to 30th April 2014. In addition there are a number of GFA Awards that are available to be made. These are based on citations which can be made by any member. The available awards are: *W R Iggulden Award*, for services to gliding administration *J R Muller Award*, for services to the promotion of gliding *Harry Ryan award* for services to Airworthiness *Fred Hoinville Award*, for services to gliding generally *Wally Wallington Award*, for services to the Sport of Gliding These awards are not competitive, however they are in general awarded for services to the GFA or to gliding in a broad sense, rather than for services to an individual club. There can be more than one recipient in a year, or none if no suitable nominations are received. To nominate someone for these awards please send a nomination (with an accompanying citation) to Tim Shirley at it_ad...@glidingaustralia.org mailto:e...@glidingaustralia.org, or tshir...@internode.on.net mailto:tshir...@internode.on.net no later than 31st July 2014. *RANGA Scholarship* I would also like to bring to your attention the availability of the RANGA (Royal Australian Navy Gliding Association) Scholarship for 2014-2015. This is a single scholarship worth $1500 and is given to an applicant who has not previously gone solo in any form of aviation. The money is paid for flying training in gliders. Details of the scholarship can be found at this link https://drive.google.com/a/glidingaustralia.org/folderview?id=0B7SBxWtueKacbUxhQUM1MktFaXcusp=sharing on the GFA website. -- Cheers /Tim Shirley/ /tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Midweek positions at GCV for season 2014-2015
Hi all, The Gliding Club of Victoria has several positions available to support its mid-week operations in season 2014-2015. Usually 1st November to 31st March, but this can vary based on demand and by agreement. The four positions available are Operations Manager, Lead Tug Pilot, Assistant Tug pilot, and Level 2 instructor. I have not attached the actual duty statements, as I don't want to add attachments into a broadcast message - so if anyone is interested in knowing more please contact me off list. Also, if you know of anyone not on this list who may be interested please pass this message to them and ask them to contact me directly. -- Cheers /Tim Shirley/ /tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] confor foam
Hi all, Under Airworthiness-Docs/Forms AIR0003 Crashworthiness.pdf Cheers /Tim Shirley/ /tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/ On 07/04/2014 11:28, Gary Stevenson wrote: These people get the foam in a large billet, and will cut you a piece to the size and thickness required. From memory, their price was NOT competitive, but that was years ago - maybe they now do a better deal? Confor is a brand name, and other manufacturers (in the USA), make similar products. Note the plural in products: As well as different thicknesses the foam is made in different densities, which are usually colour coded. For Confor, green is the way to go. I think the blue product that Ian refers to MAY be produced by another manufacturer. Ian?? To the best of my knowledge this type of foam is not manufactured in Australia. Can anybody prove me wrong/advise of an Australian manufacturer? I note that Cumulus Soaring in the States is also a retail supplier. GFA on its old web site had a useful discussion on the product, but I do not know if this information was carried across to the new site. Tim Shirley, do you know? As a matter of interest the impact absorbing foam (Confor etc), can be layered with other products too. I bought a layer of memory foam (as used for comfort on some wheel-chairs), but never got around to actually making it up and using it with the Confor in my glider cushion. Regards, Gary -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of b_br...@tpg.com.au Sent: Monday, 7 April 2014 9:58 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] confor foam Doesn't necessarily need to come from the States, though I am not sure of their pricing. http://specialtyfoams.com.au Regs Ben On Mon, Apr 7th, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Ian Mc Phee mrsoar...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday at Chris Thorps GFA safety seminar at Archerfield I gave a demo of 1 inch blue confor memory foam. Some people there obviously did not know about confor foam and recently a friend of mine is a southern state was involved in a ground loop in ASK 13 caused by long grass catching one wing and other wing gaining extra lift and whole glider lifted in the air. He was dumped from about 1metre leaving him with injured back for 2 or so months. He knew nothing of confor foam' and did not have same. Glider was all but undamaged. Here is the link to confor foam http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/conForFoan.php?clickkey=5944 It does cost $US23.50 for BLUE PAD 1 inch think (is all you need for protection) and post per pad will be say $20 but that is minor to injuries it may prevent. Personally I will not sign a form 2 unless the glider is equipped with confor foam or they get a long talk that they have to order it NOW. We wear seat belts in gliders and cars always so why not have confor in all gliders we fly and costs a lot less than a parachute and is equally important I believe. $50 is the cheapest one off insurance policy you will ever buy in gliding. If you want more proof go to the BGA web site for article on its use and the front cover will be a photo of a Swift glider crashing and pilot walks away. The video or is it a series of still photos of the crash. Thanks to Jenny Ganderton most of the gliders at Keepit have confor in almost all gliders. Personally I think GFA should mandate the use of confor instead of highly recommending it but at least that is a start.. Ian McPhee ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4355 / Virus Database: 3722/7309 - Release Date: 04/06/14 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Colibri II re-calibration
I believe that Mike Borgelt can do it. Also, any accredited instrument repair workshop (one that calibrates ASI or Altimeter). The manual gives calibration instructions for use by the place that does it. Cheers /Tim Shirley/ /tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/ On 27/03/2014 12:32, Ben Loxton wrote: Hi All, Just wondering if anyone knows how to get a Colibri II logger recalibrate (for use in claims and world comp flying)? Is there anyone in Australia who can do it? does it have to go back to Europe? If it has to go to Europe does anyone have a contact at LX? Thanks for any assistance Kind Regards, Ben *Ben Loxton* Melbourne, Australia +61 417 421 650 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Colibri II re-calibration
Hi Ben and all, The current requirement for calibration is for 5 years prior to the flight in question (SC 3 Oct 2013 Para 4.4.4a). Annex A (the World Comps Rules) says only that a current calibration certificate must be provided. So the chart that came with the instrument will do, assuming you still have it. If your Colibri II is older than 5 years it must be a fairly early model :) Cheers /Tim Shirley/ /tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/ On 27/03/2014 13:28, Mike Borgelt wrote: Hi Ben, We can do it for you. A$99 plus shipping. best if you include a return Express bag and then we don't charge for shipping. If you can get more than one logger in the batch we can put up to 6 in the pressure chamber and the price is A$99 for the first and A$66 for each subsequent. The pump down and stabilise at each pressure is what takes a fait bit of time so more than one at a time is good. There is a specific IGC schedule for the run up. The Colibri manual method does not comply. Regards Mike At 11:32 AM 27/03/2014, you wrote: Hi All, Just wondering if anyone knows how to get a Colibri II logger recalibrate (for use in claims and world comp flying)? Is there anyone in Australia who can do it? does it have to go back to Europe? If it has to go to Europe does anyone have a contact at LX? Thanks for any assistance Kind Regards, Ben *Ben Loxton* Melbourne, Australia +61 417 421 650 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring *Borgelt Instruments***- /design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 /www.borgeltinstruments.com http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/tel: 07 4635 5784overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784: int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Colibri II re-calibration
Hi Geoff, The Colibri II Approval document was issued on 25 Feb 2012. No Colibri II calibration can predate this so your point (1) applies to all of them. As a result the only situation where Ben's C II would need calibration is if he has lost his certificate. Cheers /Tim Shirley/ /tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/ On 27/03/2014 15:33, Geoff Vincent wrote: Hi Tim and all, My understanding re barograph calibration periods is as follows: The transition from the Sporting Code's long-standing 2-year calibration interval to the new 5-year interval took place on October 1 2013. The new rule applies only to electronic barographs, including those incorporated in all Flight Recorders and some Position Recorders. In a nutshell:- (1) any calibration done on or after 1 October 2011 (eg: current under the old rules) will be extended to its 5-year anniversary; and (2) a calibration done before 1 October 2011 means the 5-year interval applies to the NEXT calibration, done - at the latest - within 2 months after a badge or record flight. Regards, Geoff V At 01:47 PM 27/03/2014, you wrote: Hi Ben and all, The current requirement for calibration is for 5 years prior to the flight in question (SC 3 Oct 2013 Para 4.4.4a). Annex A (the World Comps Rules) says only that a current calibration certificate must be provided. So the chart that came with the instrument will do, assuming you still have it. If your Colibri II is older than 5 years it must be a fairly early model :) Cheers Tim Shirley tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare On 27/03/2014 13:28, Mike Borgelt wrote: Hi Ben, We can do it for you. A$99 plus shipping. best if you include a return Express bag and then we don't charge for shipping. If you can get more than one logger in the batch we can put up to 6 in the pressure chamber and the price is A$99 for the first and A$66 for each subsequent. The pump down and stabilise at each pressure is what takes a fait bit of time so more than one at a time is good. There is a specific IGC schedule for the run up. The Colibri manual method does not comply. Regards Mike At 11:32 AM 27/03/2014, you wrote: Hi All, Just wondering if anyone knows how to get a Colibri II logger recalibrate (for use in claims and world comp flying)? Is there anyone in Australia who can do it? does it have to go back to Europe? If it has to go to Europe does anyone have a contact at LX? Thanks for any assistance Kind Regards, Ben Ben Loxton Melbourne, Australia +61 417 421 650 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.netAus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784: int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.netAus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaringhttp://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] IGC-approval for the Naviter Oudie-IGC flight recorder
Hi all, This is a new type of Oudie, which contains within it a secure flight recorder. It is in a casing slightly larger (in thickness) than the existing instrument. It is not IGC approval for existing Oudies. Cheers /Tim Shirley/ /tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/ On 22/03/2014 08:48, Pam wrote: I just received this from IGC. Pam Kurstjens IGC-approval for the Naviter Oudie-IGC flight recorder On Behalf Of Ian W Strachan I am pleased to announce IGC-approval for the Naviter Oudie-IGC GPS Flight Recorder for all flights including world records. The IGC-approval document may be downloaded from the FAI/IGC web site or the GFAC web site, see below. A table of all IGC-approved Flight Recorders can also be downloaded from these web sites which has links to the IGC-approval document for each type of Recorder. There are now 46 different types of IGC-approved Flight Recorders from 18 different manufacturers. For the GFAC web site, see: www.ukiws.demon.co.uk/GFAC The table of all IGC-approved FRs with links to Approval Documents is at: www.ukiws.demon.co.uk/GFAC/igc_approved_frs.pdf This document contains: (1) a table of all types of IGC-approved Flight Recorders in alphabetical order of manufacturer name, with links to their IGC-approval documents. (2) a table of Manufacturers of IGC-approved Flight Recorders, in alphabetical order of manufacturer name. (3) a list of all IGC-approval activity from 1996 to the present day. (4) a history of IGC GNSS Flight Recording. -- For the IGC web site: www.fai.org/gnss-recording-devices/igc-approved-flight-recorders Scroll down to IGC-Approved Flight Recorders - Approval Documents Then click on the box underneath the above heading which says: IGC-approval Documents for all IGC-approved Flight Recorders. This will call up a list of documents, the first one being IGC-approval tables with links to individual Approval documents. This is followed by IGC-approval documents in alphabetical order of manufacturer's name. Scroll down to the Recorder type and click on its name. The IGC-approval document will then download automatically to the directory that you have set for downloads, without being displayed on screen first. - IGC-approval follows test and evaluation by the IGC GNSS Flight Recorder Approval Committee (GFAC) in accordance with Annex B to the Sporting Code for gliding and the Technical Specification for IGC-approved GNSS Flight Recorders. The Technical Specification is available through the igc-approved-flight-recorders web site above or directly from the GFAC web site: www.ukiws.demon.co.uk/GFAC/documents/tech_spec_gnss.pdf The Sporting Code for gliding (SC3) and its annexes A-D may be downloaded via www.fai.org/igc-documents ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Website
Mark, You don't need to log in. It is best not to use Internet Explorer. Contact me off list please. Cheers /Tim Shirley/ /tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/ On 10/03/2014 11:17, Mark Fisher wrote: I have been trying to open the shared google docs folders from the GFA website. Airworthiness- Forms. Not sure what I am doing wrong. Do I need to log on to the GFA site to get access. If so, where is the login link?? I can see the folder . Just cannot open it. Anyone have any clues?? -- Mark Fisher Managing Director Swift Avionics Unit 2, 1472 Boundary Rd Wacol 4076 Australia Ph: +61 7 3879 3005 Fax: +61 7 3879 4005 http://www.swiftavionics.com.au/ http://www.spe.com.au/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Website
Hi Mark, If you can see the folder, click the document you want (single click). Then in Chrome there is a download button (looks like a down arrow) at bottom right. In Firefox it is top right. If there is no button then it is perhaps the settings in your browser preventing it from appearing. Cheers /Tim Shirley/ /tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/ On 10/03/2014 12:09, Mark Fisher wrote: Thanks for the advice thus far. I am having same issue in Chrome and Firefox (dont use IE) any ideas? Cookies tec?? Cheers mark On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Tim Shirley tshir...@internode.on.net mailto:tshir...@internode.on.net wrote: Mark, You don't need to log in. It is best not to use Internet Explorer. Contact me off list please. Cheers /Tim Shirley/ /tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/ On 10/03/2014 11:17, Mark Fisher wrote: I have been trying to open the shared google docs folders from the GFA website. Airworthiness- Forms. Not sure what I am doing wrong. Do I need to log on to the GFA site to get access. If so, where is the login link?? I can see the folder . Just cannot open it. Anyone have any clues?? -- Mark Fisher Managing Director Swift Avionics Unit 2, 1472 Boundary Rd Wacol 4076 Australia Ph: +61 7 3879 3005 tel:%2B61%207%203879%203005 Fax: +61 7 3879 4005 tel:%2B61%207%203879%204005 http://www.swiftavionics.com.au/ http://www.spe.com.au/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- Mark Fisher Managing Director Swift Performance Equipment Unit 2, 1472 Boundary Rd Wacol 4076 Australia Ph: +61 7 3879 3005 Fax: +61 7 36076277 www.spe.com.au http://www.spe.com.au/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] See You for PC
Hi John, I think SeeYou would be cheap at twice the price, but that's just me. Naviter are a commercial organisation, they put a product out there and the market decides if they want to buy it. It is not compulsory. There is at least one alternative called Strepla, and there used to be a UK product called Tasknav, I am not sure if it is still around. None are free or even particularly inexpensive, for exactly the same reason :) There is a well attended forum on the Naviter website and if you have concerns about their product or pricing then that might be a good place to discuss it as the company is quite active in responding. I have also found them quick in their response to emails. I wrote my own flight analysis program many years ago, when SeeYou was just starting up. I can assure you it is not even close to easy. Cheers /Tim Shirley/ /tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/ On 04/03/2014 11:15, DMcD wrote: Hello John, Subscription models for software seem to be an almost necessary evil. Evil, because nobody wants to carry on paying for something every year. And necessary because the number of glider pilots is limited and the only way that a software developer can stay in business and develop software is to charge a subscription or annual licence fee. It may be that EURO 49 is a bit high for us but in Europe, gliding seems to be a little more up-market and perhaps people are prepared to shell out a bit more. Personally, I think that we're fortunate to have something as good as SeeYou and it is worth supporting. Perhaps if they had limited the trial or free options, then more people would have bought the program and the subscription would be less. It's a tricky call either way. D ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Simultaneous Record Claims
Well said Simon, It is certainly true that we have no information as to how much assistance has been given to any other pilot who holds an exiting record, at any level. One of the problems with records is that if you change the rules under which they are flown you effectively invalidate all existing records in that category because they were not flown under the same conditions. The rules for records are set down in the FAI Sporting Code, and can only be changed at international level. It's not a decision we can take in Australia. Banning external help and information is a pretty futile exercise these days. Radios, phones, tablets, flarms, GPS, transponders, etc etc. You don't need to be wingtip to wingtip, or even in visual range, to assist another glider. If we don't know everything there is to be known, it is only the depth of our wallets and the capacity of batteries that prevents it. Gliding is no longer a sport conducted individually in private, and never will be again. Congrats to Matt and Allan. And I look forward to Simon's imminent return to our sport :) Cheers /Tim Shirley/ /tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/ On 15/02/2014 08:28, Simon Hackett wrote: Just to provide a contrasting point of view - perhaps we don't need to 'fix' this until we're really in a position to decide that it is broken (and I don't think, right now, that we are). We could start by considering what these records exist for, and hence what they are presumably there to inspire (i.e. to inspire others to do more of the same, surely). ... else why bother recording them at all? If this sort of practice is consistent with the current rules, and opens up the potential to push the sport into a new frontier in record-breaking speeds/distances/times, well, I personally reckon 'good on them, and go for it'. Its not as if any of them are doing it for the money. Congratulations to the two pilots concerned for trying (and succeeding) with something new. It certainly reminds me that my own cross country achievements fall very far behind theirs (having allowed other forms of aviation to gain my attention in preference to soaring for the last few years). Hence their efforts tickle at the notion, for me, that maybe I should go out there and try a bit harder myself. Isn't that sort of inspiration going to be a win (for the sport)? To be clear - I do appreciate, and agree, that pair-flying is likely to generate higher performance results than doing it alone. Some other sports consider this a normal part of the process (e.g. team-based competitive cycling). If anything, perhaps this practice may be a rationale for us to keep a 'leader board' of the top 'x' flights in a given record category rather than merely having a single current 'best' on our (electronic) books - precisely because in a pairs-flying exercise, normally the efforts of the '#2 pilot are probably not recorded at all at this point - and its not as if that '#2' pilot didn't (also) 'do the work' to get all the way around the intended flight path. Last thought - with the exception of this remarkable effort in generating the exact same time by both pilots, who is to say how many other existing records were actually based on team-flying practices, but simply not recorded as such (due to a lack of mechanism with which to record it)? If we don't have a way to record that practice, how do we know that this actually *is* the first time this has been done as a part of a record flight claim? That really brings me back to where I began with this set of thoughts - if its not broken, perhaps it isn't actually something we need to fix. More flying better, right? Regards, Simon On 14 Feb 2014, at 12:40 pm, Peter (PCS3) p...@internode.on.net mailto:p...@internode.on.net wrote: As an non-involved-with-records glider pilot, I would have thought that team flying should have its own set of records. As flying as a team, especially in the blue would give them an unfair advantage over a solo pilot . PeterS On 12/02/2014 9:47 AM, Pam wrote: GFA has received the following record claims for the Australian National Standard Class 750km triangle speed record: Category: General Class:Standard Type of record:750km triangle speed Location:West Wyalong Performance:134.01 kph Pilot:Matt gage Glider:LS8/15m Date:8/2/2014 Category: General Sub-classStandard Type of record : Speed over a 750km triangle Course/location : West Wyalong Aerodrome, NSW ( Australia ) - TP1`- Conargo and return Performance :134.01km/hr Pilot : Allan Barnes Glider : LS8/15mRegistration:VH-NSZ Date : 08 Feb 2014 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints
Hi all, Waypoint files can have both a code value and a full name. Loggers (and See You) can generally use either. There is good reason for this, because there are two sets of users - the pilots, who should use the code, and the public, who should see the full name. I can't really see the problem unless the Sports Committee Guidelines have been written so that the organisers are not allowed to use the full names in displays to the public. Cheers Tim On 08/01/2014 11:31, Mike Borgelt wrote: Yep and when I looked at the task board the other day I had no idea where they were going... and I've done a lot of cross country gliding out of Waikerie. Mike At 09:45 AM 8/01/2014, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_NextPart_000_0038_01CF0C5A.810D0DA0" Content-Language: en-au The names are a combined number and name, not just a number. eg 47PATA MT From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 8:49 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints With the added advantage that casual visitors to the contest have no idea where the task is for the day :-) Mike At 07:06 PM 7/01/2014, you wrote: Hi Ron, apparently it was requested by the pilots at a recent nats pilot meeting (maybe Benalla) and is now in the guidelines. Makes inputting tasks to a device easier. Regards Grant. Grant Hudson On 7 Jan 2014, at 19:21, Ron Sanders resand...@gmail.com wrote: Everybody just a question about the arrangement of turn points. I noticed at Kingaroy and now at Waikerie that turn points are being described primarily by numbers these days. I was wondering if any body can tell me why?? Don't care one way or the other just interested to know if some body has made some kind of policy decision. Ron ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Colibri II
The task needs a name. On 16/12/2013 08:27, Brian Kranz wrote: I have the same problem Jenny... I save a waypoint/task file in .cup format from SeeYou (desktop) onto a microSD card I then load that .cup file into the oudie and it works fine...turnpoints and task gets load correctly. I then load the turnpoints from that .cup file into the Colibri II...turnpoints load correctly. BUT ... I cannot load the task from that same .cup file into the Colibri II...same msg...No Tasks Found ..did you find a solution? Maybe its a bug...I'll email LX and see what they say. Cheers Brian Kranz -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jenny Ganderton Sent: Monday, 9 December 2013 9:51 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] Colibri II I have a Colibri II FAI approved logger. Can anybody tell me how you declare a task in it? I can get turnpoints into it but not tasks The instructions say to copy a .cup file from SeeYou onto the SD card - but it always says no tasks found. I am finding this a most frustrating piece of equipment to use. Help!! Thanks in anticipation! Jenny Ganderton ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Colibri II
By moving two pages to the right of the main (vario) screen in the C II (Task Navigation), and pressing the button, you are able to directly enter a task into the instrument. By moving to the Setup page and selecting Logger, you can enter pilot and glider details. The task in a CUP file placed on the SD card will only be recognised if it is named. Untitled Document Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ On 9/12/2013 21:51, Jenny Ganderton wrote: I have a Colibri II FAI approved logger. Can anybody tell me how you declare a task in it? I can get turnpoints into it but not tasks The instructions say to copy a .cup file from SeeYou onto the SD card - but it always says no tasks found. I am finding this a most frustrating piece of equipment to use. Help!! Thanks in anticipation! Jenny Ganderton ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] UK reducing bureaucracy: if they can do it, can we?
Not much good if it is only on Wednesday. :) Untitled Document Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ On 3/12/2013 03:45, Pam wrote: MailEngine The U.K. Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) and Department for Transport announced plans to remove unnecessary bureaucracy from the U.K. general aviation (GA) industry on Wednesday. Source: Aviation Today http://www.aviationtoday.com/the-checklist/UK-Plans-to-Alter-General-Aviation-quotRed-Tape%22-Regulations_80617.html#.Uo4PjtJWxNd ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Colibri/F for sale
Hi all, As a result of an upgrade I have a Colibri/F for sale. This is a later model Colibri with the touch pad buttons, micro SD card interface and V5.0 firmware, and an embedded but separate flarm unit. The flarm data comes out on a separate cable to the GPS data, so you can't use this as a combined unit without making up some way to combine the signals. There is a remote GPS antenna and a remote Flarm antenna of the type usually mounted with double sided tape. The logger function continues to work well (it's IGC approved to All Flights) however the Flarm is not working correctly (dropouts and spurious alerts) and I would not recommend relying on it. I have all necessary cables, except for the power supply and serial cable that was originally delivered with these devices. I have the original manuals as well. Make an offer, off list, if you are interested. I will sell to the highest reasonable offer. -- Untitled Document Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Initial issue medicals driver's licence
Doctors aren't time travelers, right? That depends whether you are a doctor or the doctor. Cheers Tim Tra dire e fare cè mezzo il mare From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mark Newton Sent: Monday, 14 October 2013 15:36 To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Initial issue medicals driver's licence On Oct 14, 2013, at 3:30 PM, Chris Runeckles cmruneck...@gmail.com wrote: You can only medically self declare for solo pilot status, anything else (A.E.I. upwards) need to be medically certified : You're missing my point. If you fly immediately after receiving your medical certification, you're medically certified. If you fly an hour later, or a day later, or a year later (pick the interval of your choice), you're self-certifying that your medical certification is still valid, and that nothing about your health situation has changed to call the doctor's examination results into doubt. Your DAME/GP doesn't give you a piece of paper that says you're healthy for the next two years. They give you a piece of paper that says you were medically fit at the exact date and time at which they signed it. Any interpretation above and beyond that is a conceit and a fabrication. Doctors aren't time travelers, right? - mark [ class 2 medical certificate holder, with a realistic attitude about what it means ] _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3408 / Virus Database: 3222/6734 - Release Date: 10/08/13 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Email address for Lars Zehnder
I have replied offline Cheers Tim Tra dire e fare cè mezzo il mare -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Roger Druce Sent: Monday, 30 September 2013 18:14 To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] Email address for Lars Zehnder Hello Could someone please assist me by providing me with Lars Zehnder's email address? Thanks in anticipation. Roger Druce ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3408 / Virus Database: 3222/6669 - Release Date: 09/15/13 Internal Virus Database is out of date. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW Rules
These handicaps and reference weights are set by the GFA Handicap Committee which consists of a number of very experienced pilots, and operates through the National Competition Committee headed by Tom Claffey. I suspect it would be more productive to address and queries or concerns about handicaps or reference weights to Tom, whose committee can explain the rationale behind them and/or correct any anomalies. Cheers Tim Tra dire e fare cè mezzo il mare From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Daryl Mackay Sent: Sunday, 15 September 2013 22:26 To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW Rules In which case all two seater handicaps would need to reflect this single pilot or two pilot leaning? On 15/09/2013 8:20 PM, Matthew Scutter yellowplant...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe the reference weight is set for only one pilot? Whichever way you set it, it's going to involve a big handicap to the other configuration. -matthew On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 8:21 PM, Terry Home terrycub...@bigpond.com wrote: That reference weight seems quite low. With Brian and I in the DG ( less than 200kg pilot weight), we sit at 690-700kg. This means two pilots of 70kg required to stay within the reference weight. Terry Sent from my iPhone On 15/09/2013, at 12:23 PM, Matthew Scutter yellowplant...@gmail.com wrote: Derek, AUW is distinct from reference weight. Club/Sports is flown dry, and as such the reference weight is lower (and not a hard limit, your handicap will change slightly if you are over/underweight.) -matthew On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Derek Ruddock drudd...@iinet.net.au wrote: Hi Mandy The reference weight for the DG1000 is still incorrect: the manual a.u.w. is 750 kg, not 630 Cheers Derek From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Pete and Mandy Temple Sent: Saturday, 14 September 2013 4:00 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW Rules Hi Derek The document you refer to was a work in progress and was only on the site for a short while, I thought I had set the permissions so only I could see it. I will be more careful in future. It is now deleted. The pdf version is the current version and I believe it is correct. MT From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Derek Ruddock Sent: Saturday, 14 September 2013 2:17 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW Rules Thanks for that Mandy The list of Handicaps Sport0008_Club_Sports_Handicaps (not the pdf version) has some issues: - The first page is illegible - There are some formatting issues on the remaining pages - The reference weight of the DG1000 is incorrectly shown as 630kg. It is correctly shown in the Sport0008_Club_Sports_Handicaps.pdf as 750kg From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mandy Temple Sent: Friday, 13 September 2013 6:43 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW Rules They are now available (Sports Sports Documents Competitions) https://drive.google.com/a/glidingaustralia.org/folderview?id=0BzvOakkAvohCb Dl4ZTgzQnI5SnM https://drive.google.com/a/glidingaustralia.org/folderview?id=0BzvOakkAvohC bDl4ZTgzQnI5SnMusp=sharingtid=0BzvOakkAvohCZGozSnRsQlNGeHM usp=sharingtid=0BzvOakkAvohCZGozSnRsQlNGeHM document Sport 0018 MT From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Derek Ruddock Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2013 2:42 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: [Aus-soaring] NSW Rules Who is responsible for the NSW rules? They need updating to incorporate the 2 seater class ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _ No virus
Re: [Aus-soaring] State Comp Required Pilot Qualifications
Hmm, What I said, is that our insurers require a Competitors licence as a qualification for entry, in order to indemnify contest officials against the consequences of a claim arising from incidents at that contest. Is anyone suggesting that there should be NO insurance for contest officials? This isn’t a rule of the competition. It is there to ensure that there will actually be some officials willing to run the competition! To the best of my knowledge, the issue of a Competition Licence does not require anything beyond the CFI’s signature to say that in his or her opinion, the applicant is competent to hold the licence. There is nothing there about any specific qualification, though clearly a pilot would need a X/C rating to enter a competition. Please try to distinguish between the GFA and an Insurance company – they are not quite the same thing. And one thing more. I have yet to be paid to officiate at any gliding contest. The best I have managed is some help with expenses or some accommodation. I’ve been an official at more gliding competitions than I can remember or count. But if you guys are not willing to do at least something to help with the risks of litigation, then count me out in the future. You don’t deserve my or anyone elses help. I can handle grumpy pilots. I can deal with dusty airfields and 45C. I can make scoring systems work. I can even get around silly rulemakers. But I have serious difficulties getting my enthusiasm back when people just take it for granted that I’ll be there to run next one. Cheers Tim Tra dire e fare c’è mezzo il mare From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Colin Collum Sent: Friday, 13 September 2013 18:35 To: 'Mal Bruce'; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] State Comp Required Pilot Qualifications Dear Mal, You seem to be offended by John’s suggestion that some of our badges are equivalent to boy scout badges, but let’s be honest—isn’t that what some of them are? You also seem to be upset by his questioning of the requirement of a 5 hour flight for competition pilots. Are our rules so perfect that there is no room to challenge them? Tim Shirley has indicated that the “5 hour flight” is an insurance requirement for competitions, but I am not aware of any evidence that this is based on anything other than someone’s theory that it is reasonable. Maybe alternative “qualifications” could be negotiated if enough people thought it was reasonable? You make a couple of interesting observations about fatigue and some industries’ responses to the admission of fatigue—I just wish when I said I felt fatigued someone would stand me down” J. But, have you never been tempted to yawn [surely a sign of fatigue or boredom or loss of concentration] while flying a glider? Did you promptly ground yourself? Will you promptly ground yourself [i.e. land at the first place it is safe to do so] if you do yawn when 300km from your destination? John raised some reasonable issues [perhaps not quite as subtlety as he might] and I think they deserve reasonable and reasoned answers. Regards, Colin From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mal Bruce Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2013 10:43 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] State Comp Required Pilot Qualifications Heavy vehicle drivers can drive for 5 hours and 15 minutes with out a break I guess they are professionals we drive up to 12 - 14 hours depending on what fatigue management rules they operate under. Long hall pilots are often on duty for 16 hours. If you were working for NSW State Transit Authority to mention fatigue or say you are fatigued you would be stood down and sent off for medical checks this did does happen, from a close family member this has happened at Qantas as well. The two hours fatigue caters for the lowest common denominator, not for professional drivers. In gliding, driving and flying they make rules. The reason they are unlikely to change the rules for you is they are there for safety and liability reasons. Southern cross gliding club used to make pilots stay local at Forbes and do their five hours. Before venturing off on their 50 km flights. I suggest you do the same. I was 14 when I started gliding I have seen many pilots hit fences, trees, cars, other aircraft on the ground and in the air most of them dehydrated and fatigued that’s 32 years of gliding and 600 hours when your at the NSW comps have a look at the 18 meter trophy it took 21 years to get that. Your comment about boy scout badges is so insulting the the sport of gliding maybe your RAAF culture is to blame hopefully your clubs CFI insists you do your five hours
Re: [Aus-soaring] State Comp Required Pilot Qualifications
I’ll be at Waikerie as a competitor. Cheers Tim Tra dire e fare c’è mezzo il mare From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Catherine Conway Sent: Friday, 13 September 2013 20:12 To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] State Comp Required Pilot Qualifications Well said Tim I certainly appreciate your efforts and have seen just how much you and Joy have contributed so that I can enjoy myself. Thank you. Sincerely. I'd love to see you get the opportunity to fly a bit more yourself instead of working for the enjoyment of all of us. Cath Sent from my iPhone On 13/09/2013, at 7:35 PM, Tim Shirley tshir...@internode.on.net wrote: Hmm, What I said, is that our insurers require a Competitors licence as a qualification for entry, in order to indemnify contest officials against the consequences of a claim arising from incidents at that contest. Is anyone suggesting that there should be NO insurance for contest officials? This isn’t a rule of the competition. It is there to ensure that there will actually be some officials willing to run the competition! To the best of my knowledge, the issue of a Competition Licence does not require anything beyond the CFI’s signature to say that in his or her opinion, the applicant is competent to hold the licence. There is nothing there about any specific qualification, though clearly a pilot would need a X/C rating to enter a competition. Please try to distinguish between the GFA and an Insurance company – they are not quite the same thing. And one thing more. I have yet to be paid to officiate at any gliding contest. The best I have managed is some help with expenses or some accommodation. I’ve been an official at more gliding competitions than I can remember or count. But if you guys are not willing to do at least something to help with the risks of litigation, then count me out in the future. You don’t deserve my or anyone elses help. I can handle grumpy pilots. I can deal with dusty airfields and 45C. I can make scoring systems work. I can even get around silly rulemakers. But I have serious difficulties getting my enthusiasm back when people just take it for granted that I’ll be there to run next one. Cheers Tim Tra dire e fare c’è mezzo il mare From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Colin Collum Sent: Friday, 13 September 2013 18:35 To: 'Mal Bruce'; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] State Comp Required Pilot Qualifications Dear Mal, You seem to be offended by John’s suggestion that some of our badges are equivalent to boy scout badges, but let’s be honest—isn’t that what some of them are? You also seem to be upset by his questioning of the requirement of a 5 hour flight for competition pilots. Are our rules so perfect that there is no room to challenge them? Tim Shirley has indicated that the “5 hour flight” is an insurance requirement for competitions, but I am not aware of any evidence that this is based on anything other than someone’s theory that it is reasonable. Maybe alternative “qualifications” could be negotiated if enough people thought it was reasonable? You make a couple of interesting observations about fatigue and some industries’ responses to the admission of fatigue—I just wish when I said I felt fatigued someone would stand me down” J. But, have you never been tempted to yawn [surely a sign of fatigue or boredom or loss of concentration] while flying a glider? Did you promptly ground yourself? Will you promptly ground yourself [i.e. land at the first place it is safe to do so] if you do yawn when 300km from your destination? John raised some reasonable issues [perhaps not quite as subtlety as he might] and I think they deserve reasonable and reasoned answers. Regards, Colin From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mal Bruce Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2013 10:43 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] State Comp Required Pilot Qualifications Heavy vehicle drivers can drive for 5 hours and 15 minutes with out a break I guess they are professionals we drive up to 12 - 14 hours depending on what fatigue management rules they operate under. Long hall pilots are often on duty for 16 hours. If you were working for NSW State Transit Authority to mention fatigue or say you are fatigued you would be stood down and sent off for medical checks this did does happen, from a close family member this has happened at Qantas as well. The two hours fatigue caters for the lowest common denominator, not for professional drivers. In gliding
[Aus-soaring] On Entering Competitions
Hi all, As someone else remarked, competition flying is fun. It is challenging, it gives you a benchmark, it allows you to learn from better pilots, and it forces you not to be lazy every morning someone tells you where to go, and quite often its not the place (or the distance) you would have chosen by yourself. There are basically three levels of gliding competition in Australia. Nationals, State Comps and regattas by which I mean events like Horsham Week, the Queensland Easter regatta and similar. Pretty much they all run to the Nationals rules, the differences being the length of the events, the entry criteria and the tasks that are set. At regattas the tasks tend to be shorter and set over good country there is a more conservative approach to tasking in poor weather; while at the Nationals there will be some challenging and longer tasks set. Those who saw the town of Mansfield close up during the last Nationals at Benalla can attest to that! There have to be entry criteria, for safety of both the individual and the group. No one expects a P plate driver to enter Bathurst, or ride at Phillip Island. No one expects a wobbly cyclist to start in the Tour de France. The entry criteria are flexible. While the rules state minimum standards, they also allow the organisers some discretion, even at Nationals level. As a contest director at Nationals I have on occasion allowed someone to fly who lacked the formal entry requirements. This is done carefully, and with appropriate counselling and a watchful eye but I have yet to be disappointed in my decision. At State and National level it is often the case that pilots are in the air for 5 to 6 hours on each flight, and then go out and do the same the next day, and the day after it is an endurance sport, and at every level to do well you need a dose of commitment, good health, and preferably match fitness. At the last Horsham week I flew 5 days and more than 20 hours 2 days with more than 5 hour flights. And thats an entry level regatta, where beginning competitors are welcomed and encouraged. So if you have not done your 5 hours yet, enter a competition that problem will soon be solved! None of this is designed to discourage. Anyone with a minimum of experience can have a go at the regatta level, thats what they are for. Sharing gliders is common and welcome, flying in 2 seaters with coaches makes a good start, so I encourage anyone who is interested to have a go. Come to a coaching event Speedweek, Horsham Coaching, G Dales courses at Benalla, Lake Keepit and elsewhere. Read theres heaps of stuff on the website, Bernard Eckeys book is terrific, and just fly, fly, fly There is absolutely no substitute in this game for just doing it. See you all on a gliding site. Soon. Cheers Tim Tra dire e fare cè mezzo il mare ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] National Rules
I should also note that you dont need to remember that long link address. The documents are available on the GFA website by navigating to Members Info Sport Sport Docs. Cheers Tim Tra dire e fare cè mezzo il mare From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mandy Temple Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2013 08:58 To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] National Rules Hi Gary I am not aware of any insurance changes. I will check and get back to you. WRT rules There is a second document on the GFA website document 10a which has all of the rule changes in it. https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BzvOakkAvohCbDl4ZTgzQnI5SnM https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BzvOakkAvohCbDl4ZTgzQnI5SnMusp=sha ringtid=0BzvOakkAvohCZGozSnRsQlNGeHM usp=sharingtid=0BzvOakkAvohCZGozSnRsQlNGeHM Mandy From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Gary Stevenson Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2013 10:46 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] National Rules Thanks Mandy. Maybe you can save me a troll through the document. I am almost certain there is a note on the Kingaroy Nationals web site that intimated glider insurance requirements had changed, and left it at that. Extremely unsatisfactory! Can you please give me a definitive answer on WHAT has changed regarding competition insurance ... if anything! To stretch the friendship a bit, can you please summarise the rule changes from last season... if there have been any changes, and the relevant clause numbers? I am appreciative of your earlier advice, that some rumoured changes will not happen this season, if at all. I agree with you entirely that any such proposals require exhaustive consideration and debate at the relevant Pilots meetings. Gary From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mandy Temple Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2013 10:03 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] State Comp Required Pilot Qualifications The rules are on the GFA website in Sports Documents The 2013 Version is V2.5 Document 10 https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BzvOakkAvohCbDl4ZTgzQnI5SnM https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BzvOakkAvohCbDl4ZTgzQnI5SnMusp=sha ringtid=0BzvOakkAvohCZGozSnRsQlNGeHM usp=sharingtid=0BzvOakkAvohCZGozSnRsQlNGeHM Mandy From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ron Sanders Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2013 8:57 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] State Comp Required Pilot Qualifications And when are we going to get the rules and the turnpoints for the Nats at Kingaroy?? On 11 September 2013 18:41, Ian Mc Phee mrsoar...@gmail.com wrote: John T - it really is crap. Surely several 300km flights would out weigh the 5hr requirement. Can remember doing 8 3/4 hrs in a skylark4 trying for my 500km so come 2days before comps and try for 500km . The important thing is in a state comps you are not going to get shot down day after day. I would suggest you put in a case and ask the powers that be. Actually I can tell you there are several pilots in comps that have not claimed badges yet are flying comps regularly. I best not name them. Just get a comp licence - it means nothing but makes you look good Why does the GFA system totally ignore your airforce experience and airforce really learn lookout unlike many glider pilots unfortunately. I hate this sort of crap. I will see you there John OK Ian McPhee On 11 September 2013 10:12, Tim Shirley tshir...@internode.on.net wrote: Rules (and local rules) for State Competitions are set by State Associations. It has been usual for State Associations in recent times to adopt Nationals Rules, but to make some local rules in regard to things like entry requirements so as to allow less experienced pilots to enter. Its the F in the GFA J Cheers Tim Tra dire e fare cè mezzo il mare From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Trezise Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2013 09:36 To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] State Comp Required Pilot Qualifications Can anyone tell me why the pilot qualifications for State Championships are different between Queensland and NSW ? Some of the differences are pretty minor, but is there any reason they should not be the same ? Issues: Qld: 20 hrs solo vs NSW: 25 hrs solo. Qld Silver C distance vs NSW Silver C plus one 300km flight. Qld 10 aerotows vs NSW no requirement. Cant
Re: [Aus-soaring] State Comp Required Pilot Qualifications
Rules (and local rules) for State Competitions are set by State Associations. It has been usual for State Associations in recent times to adopt Nationals Rules, but to make some local rules in regard to things like entry requirements so as to allow less experienced pilots to enter. Its the F in the GFA J Cheers Tim Tra dire e fare cè mezzo il mare From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Trezise Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2013 09:36 To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] State Comp Required Pilot Qualifications Can anyone tell me why the pilot qualifications for State Championships are different between Queensland and NSW ? Some of the differences are pretty minor, but is there any reason they should not be the same ? Issues: Qld: 20 hrs solo vs NSW: 25 hrs solo. Qld Silver C distance vs NSW Silver C plus one 300km flight. Qld 10 aerotows vs NSW no requirement. Cant see any significant differences between Warwick and Lake Keepit which would justify different requirements for each site. Personally, its the second one which causes me a problem because, although I have done a number of 300km plus flights, total time has not exceeded 5 hours, and I see little point in just hanging around for 5 hours to get a boy scout badge. John _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6601 - Release Date: 08/23/13 Internal Virus Database is out of date. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal
Hi all, The FAI Competition Licence is a requirement for claiming FAI records, and badges and certificates above a certain level. This is not a GFA decision and there is nothing GFA can do about it. The competition licence – in this respect - is not a GFA matter. The decision to require a Competition Licence for entry into endorsed competitions was a question of insurance. In order to obtain insurance cover for competition officials, the insurers said that a Competition Licence would be a requirement. The Application for a new Competition Licence requires a CFI signature, which indicates that in the CFI’s opinion that person is sufficiently skilled to fly in a competition. That may or may not enhance safety, but it is at least an independent assessment by someone who ought to know. The result of changing this rule would be that competition officials would not be covered by GFA insurance. And so, there would be no competition officials, at least none who had a family, or owned a house. J Which might fall into your “anything else” category. Or maybe not. It is possible that some other requirement could be negotiated with the insurer – for example that every competitor holds a GPC – but that might be seen to be even more onerous, and limiting on entry-level competitors. You can be sure that I would not be a competition official without the benefit of insurance cover. Cheers Tim Tra dire e fare c’è mezzo il mare From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Plchampness Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013 18:57 To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Cc: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal Why do we have the competition licence? It used to be the Silver badge was the necessary qualification. What does the competition licence add to safety or anything else? Yours Peter Champness On Sep 9, 2013, at 12:18 PM, Tim Shirley tshir...@internode.on.net wrote: Hi Ross, This is an FAI document not a GFA one, and the requirements may therefore be set by someone else. However, I will talk to Beryl and see what may be done. Cheers Tim Tra dire e fare c’è mezzo il mare From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ross McLean Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013 12:16 To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal When are we going to automate this process? Why does Beryl have to personally sign everyone's competition licence renewal? It is a process embedded in 1960's thinking. Surely there is a way that these renewals can be completed online now? ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Gary Stevenson Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013 10:39 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'; crispin...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal Hi Robert, In a bit more detail, this is what you need to do. Pay for your renewal ($10.00) at the GFA shop. You will automatically get an email receipt, within minutes if you pay using a credit card. The office staff will let Beryl Hartley know (via email) that you have paid. Post you licence to Beryl. I suggest that you include a copy of your receipt as well – belts and braces. Here is the address: GFA-FAI Claims Officer Beryl Hartley PO Box 275 Narromine NSW 2821 As Beryl is now back from Poland, you should get your updated licence, quite quickly. Good luck. Gary From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Matt Gage Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013 7:16 AM To: crispin...@gmail.com; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal Go to the GFA online shop and look under FAI - not Sport ! On 09/09/2013, at 7:01 , Robert Hart crispin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I've spent a frustrating time trying to find information on the GFA web site on how to renew my competition licence - to no avail. Please can someone point me to the web reference to this - or otherwise tell me how to do this? Tks -- Note: I am changing my email address - please only use my gmail address from now on! Robert Hart crispin...@gmail.com +61 438 385 533 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6601 - Release Date: 08/23
Re: [Aus-soaring] Cambridge 20 problem
It is almost certainly the internal battery. I have seen this type of erratic behaviour quite a few times. I’m not saying that with 100% certainty, because much else can go wrong. But it is the first thing to try. Cheers Tim Tra dire e fare c’è mezzo il mare From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jim crowhurst Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013 11:41 To: jar...@optusnet.com.au; aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Cambridge 20 problem I have a feeling the my problem may be the flarm switching rapidly between gps and barometric pressure. I will try my other pda and then the volkslogger. Could it be a winpilot thing? Jim jar...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Hi Jim, Tim Shirley suggested changing the Cambridge internal battery. I did this (the voltage jumped from 3.0V to 3.3V) as a precaution but will have to wait until the next flying day to see if it made any difference. Regards Jarek BTW I run WinPilot 9 on a HX4700 JM - Original Message - From: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Cc: Sent: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 06:37:55 +1000 Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Cambridge 20 problem Jarek. I run winpilot on my ipaq 3890 and it gets data from the flarm (ozflarm) I get the same steps on the trace from winpilot. I have checked this with 2 different flarm systems in 2 different gliders and it is the same problem. So unlikely to be lose wires etc. I have no idea why it does this. I am troubleshooting atm and am going to try the volkslogger to feed winpilot instead. The strange L/D info is the program trying to adjust the calculation from the steps. Its odd because on my traces the stepping is intermittent. If you find a solution let me know. Jim Jarek Mosiejewski jar...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Hi, I’ve already emailed Ian McPhee about this but perhaps someone has an idea what could be the problem. - No trace in the Cambridge recorder. - The PDA connected to the Cambridge recorded the flight (WinPilot) but with the date of 23/01/1994. - In flight, I experienced some strange final glide and L/D required calculation by WinPilot. - The barogram when loaded to SeeYou appears as a series of up-and-downs of about 200+ ft. vertical range: http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/gliding/flightinfo.html?dsId=3375473 (the flight is invalid because I manually changed the HFDTE record to the actual flight date) - HFFXA100 record - fix accuracy is 100m, should it be better than this? I’ve checked the internal battery voltage, Cambridge Aero Explorer reports 3.0V. I’ve been using this instrument for a few years but never seen anything like this. Regards Jarek _ Email sent using Optus Webmail _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6601 - Release Date: 08/23/13 Internal Virus Database is out of date. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Cambridge 20 problem
Sorry Jim – my mistake. I was talking about Cambridge 20 problems where the internal battery often causes erratic behaviour. OzFlarms don’t have an internal battery – which is why if the power goes off they die instantly. Flarms, like other loggers, record both pressure altitude and gps altitude, and transmit an NMEA sentence to the PDA which contains the altitude readings, so that the PDA then has pressure altitude to use for glide calculations. I don’t think the Flarm would “switch” altitudes in the way you suggest. Cheers Tim Tra dire e fare c’è mezzo il mare From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jim crowhurst Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013 11:52 To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Cambridge 20 problem But i dont have the cambridge just the flarm and the pda. Do either of these have a internal battery? Sent from Samsung Mobile Tim Shirley tshir...@internode.on.net wrote: It is almost certainly the internal battery. I have seen this type of erratic behaviour quite a few times. I’m not saying that with 100% certainty, because much else can go wrong. But it is the first thing to try. Cheers Tim Tra dire e fare c’è mezzo il mare From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jim crowhurst Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013 11:41 To: jar...@optusnet.com.au; aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Cambridge 20 problem I have a feeling the my problem may be the flarm switching rapidly between gps and barometric pressure. I will try my other pda and then the volkslogger. Could it be a winpilot thing? Jim jar...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Hi Jim, Tim Shirley suggested changing the Cambridge internal battery. I did this (the voltage jumped from 3.0V to 3.3V) as a precaution but will have to wait until the next flying day to see if it made any difference. Regards Jarek BTW I run WinPilot 9 on a HX4700 JM - Original Message - From: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Cc: Sent: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 06:37:55 +1000 Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Cambridge 20 problem Jarek. I run winpilot on my ipaq 3890 and it gets data from the flarm (ozflarm) I get the same steps on the trace from winpilot. I have checked this with 2 different flarm systems in 2 different gliders and it is the same problem. So unlikely to be lose wires etc. I have no idea why it does this. I am troubleshooting atm and am going to try the volkslogger to feed winpilot instead. The strange L/D info is the program trying to adjust the calculation from the steps. Its odd because on my traces the stepping is intermittent. If you find a solution let me know. Jim Jarek Mosiejewski jar...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Hi, I’ve already emailed Ian McPhee about this but perhaps someone has an idea what could be the problem. - No trace in the Cambridge recorder. - The PDA connected to the Cambridge recorded the flight (WinPilot) but with the date of 23/01/1994. - In flight, I experienced some strange final glide and L/D required calculation by WinPilot. - The barogram when loaded to SeeYou appears as a series of up-and-downs of about 200+ ft. vertical range: http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/gliding/flightinfo.html?dsId=3375473 (the flight is invalid because I manually changed the HFDTE record to the actual flight date) - HFFXA100 record - fix accuracy is 100m, should it be better than this? I’ve checked the internal battery voltage, Cambridge Aero Explorer reports 3.0V. I’ve been using this instrument for a few years but never seen anything like this. Regards Jarek _ Email sent using Optus Webmail _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com/ Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6601 - Release Date: 08/23/13 Internal Virus Database is out of date. _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6601 - Release Date: 08/23/13 Internal Virus Database is out of date. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal
Hi Ross, This is an FAI document not a GFA one, and the requirements may therefore be set by someone else. However, I will talk to Beryl and see what may be done. Cheers Tim Tra dire e fare cè mezzo il mare From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ross McLean Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013 12:16 To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal When are we going to automate this process? Why does Beryl have to personally sign everyone's competition licence renewal? It is a process embedded in 1960's thinking. Surely there is a way that these renewals can be completed online now? ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Gary Stevenson Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013 10:39 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'; crispin...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal Hi Robert, In a bit more detail, this is what you need to do. Pay for your renewal ($10.00) at the GFA shop. You will automatically get an email receipt, within minutes if you pay using a credit card. The office staff will let Beryl Hartley know (via email) that you have paid. Post you licence to Beryl. I suggest that you include a copy of your receipt as well belts and braces. Here is the address: GFA-FAI Claims Officer Beryl Hartley PO Box 275 Narromine NSW 2821 As Beryl is now back from Poland, you should get your updated licence, quite quickly. Good luck. Gary From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Matt Gage Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013 7:16 AM To: crispin...@gmail.com; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal Go to the GFA online shop and look under FAI - not Sport ! On 09/09/2013, at 7:01 , Robert Hart crispin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I've spent a frustrating time trying to find information on the GFA web site on how to renew my competition licence - to no avail. Please can someone point me to the web reference to this - or otherwise tell me how to do this? Tks -- Note: I am changing my email address - please only use my gmail address from now on! Robert Hart crispin...@gmail.com +61 438 385 533 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6601 - Release Date: 08/23/13 Internal Virus Database is out of date. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Contact lenses, laser surgery etc
Hi all, A long time ago in a universe far far away, the most important instruments used to run a gliding competition was several pairs of binoculars, because observation was required at both the start and finish lines. In those days, I came on a guy running a finish line who asked me to assist. I protested that I was short sighted and had worn glasses for most of my life. He said “that’s why I asked”. He then explained that the only people who you could rely on to have 100% good eyesight were those who had had it corrected. In other words, those who were wearing some obvious corrective equipment. Virtually everyone with uncorrected vision is really saying “it’s not bad enough to fix”, and in many cases they are right so I don’t mean to question their decision. I’ll have glasses till the day I die, and that’s fine with me. And yes, as long as I wear them and have regular checks, my eyesight is as near to perfect as it can possibly be. Cheers Tim Tra dire e fare c’è mezzo il mare From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Bernie Baer Sent: Monday, 19 August 2013 12:05 To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Contact lenses, laser surgery etc Thanks for the feedback guys, much appreciated. Like Niall I have used reading glasses since my early 40's but only in the last year felt I needed help with long distance as well. I also used to use regular sunglasses with stick-on lenses for close up work (tying knots when fishing, reading PDA's etc when flying). I'd be happy to return to that scenario if I could. I'll have a chat with my optometrist. One further complication is that I swim shower or cycle shower nearly every lunchtime. Contacts don't sound so good in that case. Can o' worms. Regards, Bernie. _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6586 - Release Date: 08/17/13 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Colin Collum
I have responded offlist.
Cheers
Tim
Tra dire e fare cè mezzo il mare
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Sent: Saturday, 10 August 2013 18:52
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Colin Collum
Hi Bernard,
Colin flies with the GCV at Benalla, so try the office (03 5762 1058),
tomorrow evening say between 5 and 6 pm (Vic time), and they might be able
to give you contact details. {Office might not be manned mid week in
winter.}
Cheers,
Gary
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Aviation
Sent: Saturday, 10 August 2013 5:58 PM
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Colin Collum
Hello All
I'm currently catching up with the latest issues of Gliding Australia
after a lengthy overseas trip.
As Colin Collum has commented on my NZ article I would like to discuss the
matter with him to
improve my knowledge about safe blood oxygen saturation levels while flying
at altitude.
Can anyone provide me with his contact details, please?
Many thanks and kind regards
Bernard
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Re: [Aus-soaring] New Rules: On the grapevine...
Even in the realms of rumour and fantasy, this suggestion is stunningly silly. The number of ways in which this won't work are beyond counting. One thing I can say for certain. I will never be a contest official or a competitor at any competition where this is a rule. What exactly is broken, that needs fixing? Cheers Tim Tra dire e fare cè mezzo il mare -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Adam Woolley Sent: Friday, 9 August 2013 12:43 To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] New Rules: On the grapevine... Heard on the grapevine that we might be in for some new finish ring rules... 10km finish ring; Min finish height @ Multi-Class: 1000' Min finish height @ Club Class: 1200' What do you think? Discuss. Cheers, WPP ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3209/6549 - Release Date: 08/03/13 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] GFA Awards and Trophies
Awards and Trophies As GFA awards officer I would like to remind you that nominations for the GFA Awards and trophies are open and will close at the end of July. The Trophies are: Martin Warner Trophy (best gain of height in the season) Wally Woods Trophy (longest X/C flight of the season) Bob Irvine Trophy (longest X/C flight on handicap in the season). These trophies are awarded on application and require a valid IGC file as evidence. Please send applications to Tim Shirley at e...@glidingaustralia.org mailto:tshir...@internode.on.net or tshir...@internode.on.net In addition there are a number of GFA Awards that are available to be made. These are based on citations which can be made by any member. The available awards are: W R Iggulden Award, for services to gliding administration J R Muller Award, for services to the promotion of gliding Harry Ryan award for services to Airworthiness Fred Hoinville Award, for services to gliding generally Wally Wallington Award, for services to the Sport of Gliding These awards are not competitive. There can be more than one recipient in a year, or none if no suitable nominations are received. To nominate someone for these awards please send a nomination (with an accompanying citation) to Tim Shirley at e...@glidingaustralia.org, or tshir...@internode.on.net no later than 31st July 2013. Cheers Tim Tra dire e fare cè mezzo il mare ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Wind Turbines cause turbulence risk?
Hi all, Bob I do urge you not to leave the list. Im a supporter of free speech on this forum. I dont think it is a good idea that contributors here are limited in what they can say, or the topics they choose to pursue. Readers should be free to judge contributors by the nature and content of their contributions. The Delete key is not hard to press. And back on the topic, in a fashion: Eppur si muove Cheers Tim Tra dire e fare cè mezzo il mare From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Bob Ward Sent: Friday, 12 July 2013 19:57 To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Wind Turbines cause turbulence risk? Thanks Mark for that advice? Maturity? Civility? Adult? Perhaps it would be best if I simply un-scribe, as I did once for exactly the same reason . A site such as this without a moderator, undoubtedly looses many more participants than it attracts due insulting , un-civil posts by one particularly obnoxious contributor. Regards Bob Ward From: Mark Newton mailto:new...@atdot.dotat.org Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 7:05 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Wind Turbines cause turbulence risk? On 12/07/2013, at 7:00 PM, Bob Ward wendo...@westnet.com.au wrote: Is there a moderator on this site? If so, is he asleep ? 1. sulting It isn't a site, it's a mailing list. It's always been unmoderated, relying on the maturity and civility of its adult participants. Sometimes that's been, perhaps, a tough ask. - mark _ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3349 / Virus Database: 3204/6483 - Release Date: 07/11/13 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] FW: Cambridge
Some of you may be interested in this news. The end of an era. Cheers Tim Tra dire e fare cè mezzo il mare Are you all aware that Cambridge Aero has ceased trading? They no longer manufacture, repair or maintain the 302 series of flight recorders. Below is an e-mail from the CEO, Roger Routledge: Dear Dealers and Friends of Cambridge, I have spoken with many of you personally by telephone. Bad news travels fast. So it is already widely known in our community that the volume of business of Cambridge has for a considerable period of time been insufficient to sustain operations. At the end of March the time finally came to relocate the assets and vacate the space where we have conducted business for the last six years. We ceased operating at Executive Center Drive on April 1, 2013. Because of the insufficiency of revenue from the business, we were forced to return all the business assets to the companys lien holder, Roy A. Ridgeway. Our intention was to continue with the business of repairs, calibrations, and sales of new instruments on an as-needed basis, buying the parts to do so from Mr. Ridgeway. We tried this for two months, but it did not work out. The companys main technician, Jeffery B. Bennett, has chosen to pursue other opportunities, and under the present circumstances the company could not recruit and train a replacement. It is my sad duty to announce that Cambridge will no longer manufacture new instruments, repair instruments, or maintain and calibrate instruments. Mr. Ridgeway is in possession of the company. Any inquiries regarding sales of spare parts may be directed to his attention. His contact information is as follows: Roy A. Ridgeway 2475 Scott Road Hernando, MS 38632 (662)449-0149 mailto:rridge...@lrmusa.com rridge...@lrmusa.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Email
Yes. Thanks Jeff Cheers Tim Tra dire e fare cè mezzo il mare From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Farrow Sent: Wednesday, 5 June 2013 13:38 To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Email Received the May GFA Newsletter from the GFA Executive Officer on the 30/5/13, included an item from yourself, and yes caught in the spam filter. Is this the item referred to? Jeff Farrow - Original Message - From: Tim Shirley mailto:tshir...@internode.on.net To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 7:28 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] GFA Email Hi all, A few days ago I sent out a bulk email to members but I have been told that in some cases it may have been put in your Junk Mail folders by your mail client. There are a few reasons why this might have happened, and Ill try to avoid them in future. Of course, you may prefer GFA mail to remain as spam J but if you didnt get the email and would like to read it there is a chance you will find it in that location and can then shift it back. Of course, you should then make sure that addresses ending in @glidingaustralia.org are on your safe senders lists, because thats where GFA emails will come from in the future. Sorry for any inconvenience. Cheers Tim Tra dire e fare cè mezzo il mare _ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3343 / Virus Database: 3184/6381 - Release Date: 06/03/13 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] A,B,C Certificate tests
http://www.glidingaustralia.org/GFA-Sport/fai-forms.html Cheers Tim Tra dire e fare cè mezzo il mare -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Catherine Conway Sent: Sunday, 14 April 2013 17:01 To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] A,B,C Certificate tests Hi All I've been looking on the GFA website for the latest A,B,C Certificate tests to give to some student pilots, but I can't find them anywhere. Am I missing something or have they disappeared? -Cath ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3272 / Virus Database: 3162/6235 - Release Date: 04/09/13 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] A,B,C Certificate tests
Cathy, Can you contact me offline? I don't have your email address... Cheers Tim Tra dire e fare c’è mezzo il mare -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Catherine Conway Sent: Sunday, 14 April 2013 17:18 To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] A,B,C Certificate tests The claim form is there but not the tests Sent from my iPhone On 14/04/2013, at 4:32 PM, Tim Shirley tshir...@internode.on.net wrote: http://www.glidingaustralia.org/GFA-Sport/fai-forms.html Cheers Tim Tra dire e fare c’è mezzo il mare -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Catherine Conway Sent: Sunday, 14 April 2013 17:01 To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] A,B,C Certificate tests Hi All I've been looking on the GFA website for the latest A,B,C Certificate tests to give to some student pilots, but I can't find them anywhere. Am I missing something or have they disappeared? -Cath ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3272 / Virus Database: 3162/6235 - Release Date: 04/09/13 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3272 / Virus Database: 3162/6235 - Release Date: 04/09/13 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Flarm and OLC
Hi all, See below. Those of you who are using files downloaded from Flarms to claim OLC flights will need to upgrade firmware. It's not a bad idea to stay on the latest version anyway. This was in response to a query from a club member who had his flight rejected by OLC a couple of days ago. Cheers Tim Tra dire e fare c’è mezzo il mare -Original Message- From: OLC-Help [mailto:t...@onlinecontest.org] Sent: Wednesday, 3 April 2013 16:55 To: tshir...@internode.on.net Subject: Re: OLC Flugbeanstandung - Datei ungültig, rotes V Hello Tim, FLARM offers an update to Version 5.09, all earlier versions will not get a positiv validation in future, download and install from http://www.flarm.com/support/updates/index_en.html best regards Hannes ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Bad air/Outlandings
Hi Gary, I was the retrieve crew. The incident occurred at the pre-worlds in Rieti Italy in 2007. The glider was a DG300 owned by the gliding club there. I will not identify the pilot, it is his business if he wishes to make himself known. The glider landed safely on a 40-45 degree upward slope it was the only landable place in the valley, so that was a pretty good paddock selection. However the wheel brake would not hold the glider at that angle, and it rolled back down the slope and ended in some trees with the pilot still aboard. The fuselage passed between two trees and the trailing edges of the wings struck the trees travelling at least 30kph backwards, doing quite significant damage to the wings themselves and the wing roots and fuselage junction. The pilot was uninjured. One lesson from this incident is that the wheel brakes on gliders are designed to stop them in a forward direction, and may not be as effective in reverse. The farmer was at least 70 years of age, and spoke no English. I speak some Italian, and so needed to ask the farmer to bring his tractor to the glider, attaching rope and towing it to the top of the slope where there was a small relatively level area where the glider could be derigged. The derig was difficult because of the damage to the wings, but the farmer was a great help, because despite his age and the fact that he had never seen a glider in his life, he was a strong man and very willing to assist. Its not my best outlanding story (my glider being stolen is probably the most memorable) but I think it comes second. Cheers Tim Tra dire e fare cè mezzo il mare From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of gstev...@bigpond.com Sent: Sunday, 17 March 2013 20:25 To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Bad air/Outlandings Further to my earlier posting, I recall that something similar happened to one of our Ozzie pilots in a pre-worlds in Italy, quite some years ago. I may not have the story exactly right, but as I understand it, the ship he was flying had a tail wheel, and after he had done his ground run up the slope, the ship just rolled backwards until he stopped in a creek - sorry, stream. Unfortunately this resulted in - relatively minor?? - damage to the aircraft, which however precluded any further flying in the contest. Simon, Have I got the story right, and if so, is there any comment that you can add with 20/20 hindsight? Of course, for relative newcomers to the sport, what Byars Holbrook, were really warning about, was avoiding running into unexpected obstacles, on the ground run. The possibilities are almost endless! You must understand that outlanding paddocks can vary from something better than the home airfield, to rock-filled pocket handkerchiefs, inevitably filled with potentially dangerous ground features masked by high grass! Here are some possibilities that I have heard about, that might spoil your day. No doubt the forum members can add to this list. * Running into a hidden tree stump * Running into rocks. Depending on the size of the rocks, this can result in damage to the fuselage, damage to the wings, or maybe a total write off of the glider. I recall a story where a pilot reported that he had run into a rock. An eye-witness to the event - from above, in another glider - verified the story: Yep, he ran into a rock - it is called the Earth! * Running into (relatively), shallow drains, that will nevertheless, rip your undercarriage out. * Running into electric fences. * Running into a patch of thistles. * Running into a star picket, that the farmer has placed in his paddock to mark an area for future weed eradication. * Running into a (somewhat pockmarked), rabbit warren: In Nth America - a Badger hole. Gary - Original Message - From: gstev...@bigpond.com To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Bad air/Outlandings As I remember, it went more like this ...NEVER FLY THROUGH THE SAME BAD AIR TWICE! which gives the advice a whole new depth of meaning, seeing that this was one of the few pieces of information in the book - and the book is full of useful information - to be so notated, and is the ONLY axiom to appear TWICE! Here are two more from the same book: SPEED UP IN SINK - SLOW DOWN IN LIFT! ;and (in an outlanding) STOP AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AFTER LANDING! Members of this forum can no doubt tell many a story re the last axiom. Here is one that partly fits - but with a twist! Flight No 224, in my log-book, 01/03/1978, ES 60b GTJ. X/C training was being conducted on the day in the GCV's two-seater aircraft fleet. I decided to tag along in the Super Arrow. A task was set into the
Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring
The best handicap system I have heard of for gliding (admittedly theroretical)
worked like this.
1. At the start of the competition each pilot nominates the value of his
or her glider. These valuations are made public.
2. The handicaps are then based on the pilots valuation according to some
fairly simple formula – the lower value, the more favourable the handicap of
course.
3. The he pilot signs a guarantee that they will sell the glider to
anyone who comes up with the valuation figure, at the end of the competition.
That should sort out the problem quite nicely I think. Anyone interested in a
cheap JS1 that just won the Nationals? J
And, for those who have posted on this topic without ever having organised,
scored or handicapped a gliding competition, or in fact have done anything here
except bitch about those that do, there are a few words just under my signature
below. Google translator will soon tell you why they are relevant to you.
Do it yourselves next time.
Cheers
Tim
Tra dire e fare c’è mezzo il mare
From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of
gstev...@bigpond.com
Sent: Thursday, 7 March 2013 20:41
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring
Peter,
That is an interesting suggestion! I wonder if it could be practically (and
fairly), done?
Re poor task setting, I tend to think that your objection 'having to start
early/finish late is actually as a general principle, just the opposite - at a
National level and probably a State level too, this is what good tasking should
be all about! In general, the task setting at most competitions, on most
reasonably soarable days, is far too conservative. {Everybody, please carefully
note those two provisos - most reasonably!}
Having said that, I tend to agree with your last paragraph, which then gets
back to the question I raised in my first paragraph above.
The points noted by Matthew Scutter, in his email below, are all reasonable
too. Emilis Prelgauskas in a recent posting on this site, talked (amongst other
things), about some of the problems facing the gliding movement in this
country, including a gradual loss of knowledge held collectively by the
membership, and knowledge (mostly), lost to the current Board and those
administrating the GFA system. Once upon a time - I think it was just around
the time of the introduction of computers into gliding scoring - a guy called
Murray Evans (Murray-Evans?), came up with a system that related everybody's
performance back to their glider polar, and the results for the day were then
corrected. The system was tried once, and promptly abandoned, as being
unworkable - which was fair enough at the time. The first and possibly major
problem then, was obtaining realistic polars, for the gliders competing. Number
crunching (laughable today), was also a problem, as I recall. In my view, it
might now prove profitable to revisit the principles of the ME concept, and
check their workability in the current hi-tek environment.
Ann Woolf - given the tremendous (mind boggling?) - work that you have done on
compiling the electronic AG data base - could I please call upon you to put the
article(s?), that appeared in Australian Gliding, on this web site, for the
perusal and comment of a latter generation of glider pilots?
Gary
- Original Message -
From: nimb...@internode.on.net
To: aus-soaring mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring
How about letting the previous generation 20m gliders fly in 15m class where
the handicaps are much closer as compared to current generation open class.
The other factor that gives the higher performance gliders an advantage over
the previous generation gliders when there is a large handicap spread is poor
task setting.
This occurs when racing tasks are set that force the lower performance gliders
to fly in weaker conditions by having to start early or finish later. Where
there is a significant spread in handicaps then racing tasks should not be set.
Regards
Peter
Sent from my HTC smartphone
- Reply message -
From: Matthew Scutter yellowplant...@gmail.com
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Boring
Date: Thu, Mar 7, 2013 12:29
Ron,
Because the handicaps have practical limitations as gliders have
different performance characteristics in different weather, which
handicaps can't take into account.
The handicaps are probably fair for a Cirrus and an ASG29 on a 3kt
day, but they certainly aren't on a 12kt day.
This seems to be the general consensus - in normal weather, the
handicaps are close to the technical optimum, but in strong weather
the higher performance gliders have
Re: [Aus-soaring] Electric replacement for quad bikes around airfields
Many years ago I saw one member of this list towing a Bocian to the launch point with a mountain bike, after his car had broken down :) Cheers Tim Tra dire e fare cè mezzo il mare -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Simon Hackett Sent: Thursday, 7 March 2013 08:35 To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Electric replacement for quad bikes around airfields Towing on grass adds its own challenges to such a question - and certainly an electric vehicle may be heavier than an ICE based one. That said, under many circumstances more weight on a towing vehicle is better - else it might just sit there and spin its wheels. For towing on hard surfaces, there are already a variety of electric-powered towing devices on the market. This is one that we use to move my PC-12 at Adelaide airport, they're brilliant - because you can walk along the wingtip while operating it and ensure clearance. It can also lift and rotate the nosewheel arbitrarily (in terms of direction) using a built in turntable: http://www.tracetowbots.com Not quite what you wanted for your application, but an indication that electric aircraft moving devices are starting to come into their own of late. Regards, Simon On 05/03/2013, at 2:49 PM, Ian Mc Phee mrsoar...@gmail.com wrote: All Simon I hear Simon H is an electric powered vehicle expert (Solar Challenge Darwin to Adelaide) and wondering if you can offer thoughts on suitable electric vehicle which could be used around airfield and towing gliders. I am sure within a few years it will be the standard vehicle for airport use. Recently at Bathurst I noticed an electric skate board for personal transport to the launch point - now just need a larger glider towing version!!! Off topic I have heard overseas insurance companies may consider you are not covered for damage to a glider when towing behind a vehicle. May be a good reason for driving very slowly when towing glider as just maybe you may not be covered (esp if using other than factory gear). 18 months ago I heard about a Libelle Written Off!! being towed behind vehicle and many many gliders with about $5000 damage from towing behind a vehicle . Ian McPhee ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2641/6150 - Release Date: 03/05/13 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] FLARM-IGC flight recorders - security update and revised IGC-approval
Hi all, This change relates only to IGC approved Flarms. LX Red Box Flarm-IGC and LX Mini-Box Flarm IGC are the affected devices. . The upgrade is to resolve a logger security issue in IGC-approved Flarm devices and does not affect the actual Flarm functionality. No action is needed for ordinary OzFlarms and similar , so the vast majority of Flarm users in Australia can relax and just keep flying. Cheers Tim Tra dire e fare cè mezzo il mare -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Pam Kurstjens Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2013 09:25 To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] FLARM-IGC flight recorders - security update and revised IGC-approval OzFlarm units are not IGC-approved Flight Recorders, therefore the IGC has no direct interest in them. This letter from the IGC GFAC is not intended for users of OzFlarm. However, OzFlarm units are approved for use IN AUSTRALIA as GPS position recorders. This is a separate category. See Sporting Code Chapter 4 Appendix on their use. I do not know if this upgrade is applicable to OzFlarm units. Maybe we should be asking the supplier about that? Pam -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Geoff Vincent Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2013 7:52 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] FLARM-IGC flight recorders - security update and revised IGC-approval Hi Pam, The current thread is focused on the software upgrade for the FLARM-IGC device. In the Flarm website software download section it refers to all devices. Can you please confirm whether the v5.08 upgrade is applicable/necessary for Oz-Flarm units. Regards, Geoff V At 08:17 AM 18/02/2013, you wrote: FLARM-IGC flight recorders - security update and revised IGC-approval A significant update to the GPS Flight Recorder function of FLARM-IGC units is now available. Owners are advised to incorporate this as soon as possible. It is available through a web download, see below. FLARM-IGC owners may recall that in 2012, software appeared on the web from an unknown source that enabled false Flarm-IGC files to be produced that passed the IGC electronic validation check. To counter this, a security update to Firmware Version 5.8 is now available via: www.flarm.com/support/updates/index_en.html and click on flarm_508fw on the right hand side of the page to download this file. This file will update a FLARM-IGC unit to Firmware 5.08 standard using the standard FLARM update procedure (via a micro-SD card or a PC-based update). Note that an update to the Flarmtool utilities program incorporating V5.08 is also available by clicking Installation V5.08 on the right hand side of the same web page. ** Important Note ** Owners should note that the IGC-approval for earlier versions of Firmware (from V4.0 to V5.6) will be withdrawn on 30 April 2013. This is to ensure that the possibility of false IGC files being produced using the malicious software referred to above, is eliminated. A revised IGC-approval document is available on the IGC and GFAC web pages: www.ukiws.demon.co.uk/GFAC/approvals/flarm-igc.pdf or www.fai.org/gnss-recording-devices/igc-approved-flight-recorders For electronic validation of IGC files produced with V5.8 firmware, use either the latest Flarmtool program (see above) or the free IGC Shell program together with the latest Flarm DLL file which is named IGC-FLA2.DLL to differentiate it from the earlier file IGC-FLA.DLL. For the IGC Shell program and DLL files, including the new IGC-FLA2.DLL, see: www.ukiws.demon.co.uk/GFAC/downloads.htm or www.fai.org/gnss-recording-devices/free-software The above may seem complex, but Flarm owners are used to making regular updates that in the past have been to optimise the Flarm Traffic Avoidance and warning system. The difference with this update is that it increases the electronic security both of the Flight Recorder facility and of future downloaded IGC files. In view of the important of this security update, please give this announcement publicity so that current owners and users of FLARM-IGC units are aware of it, and its implications. The Flarm company are doing likewise through their normal channels of communication to Flarm owners, gliding software producers and OLC organisers. -- Ian Strachan Chairman IGC GFA Committee ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit:
Re: [Aus-soaring] Handicaps
Handicaps are determined by a committee appointed by the Sports Committee of GFA. It is currently chaired by Tobi Geiger, and other members include Bruce Taylor, Hank Kauffmann and Peter Temple. This information I found quite easily on the GFA website :) I am sure they would be willing to consider any input and information that will enable them to improve the handicaps. Cheers Tim Tra dire e fare cè mezzo il mare -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Plchampness Sent: Saturday, 16 February 2013 20:45 To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Handicaps Does anyone know how handicaps are determined? It seems to me that as gliding knowledge advances, there is a tendency for thermally time to be reduced. As a consequence I think that the lower performance gliders are at an increasing disadvantage as they have less chance to pass up,weaker thermal and face a larger disadvantage if sink is encountered. Yours Peter Champness ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6100 - Release Date: 02/12/13 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] 50' obstacle clearance rule
Hi Mark, As a general comment, making mandatory rules for obstacle clearance for aircraft without a throttle lever seems a bit silly. If I'm faced with missing a tree by less than a wingspan or hitting the fence at the end of the paddock I know which one I will be choosing. And why would an ASH25 need twice the clearance that a Sparrowhawk does? Oh yes, the 90 deg banked turn onto final. Of course, leaving distance between yourself and the trees is good practice. It's not something for the rule book though. Untitled Document Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ On 15/10/2012 13:17, Mark Newton wrote: Hi folks. My google-fu is failing me, but at least one of you can probably help. I've long accepted that the rule for obstacle clearance is 50'. However, the GFA instructor handbook describes it as a wingspan, and the B certificate oral exam calls 50' a recommended minimum, so I'm trying to go back to sources to find the origin of the rule. And I can't seem to find it written down anywhere. I'm beginning to suspect that my long-term acceptance of the 50' rule is wrong, and that the real limit is, shall we say, more operationally fluid than that. Wondering if the strict mention of 50' that I've seen at clubs all over Australia is actually more of a tradition, perhaps derived from a misunderstanding of certified light aircraft performance charts which give minimum takeoff distances including clearance of a 50' obstacle. Does anyone have a cite to the regulations? (while you're at it, providing a cite to a current GFA or non-exempted CASA regulation which states what GFA annual check entails, whether it's required to be signed out in a logbook, or whether an instructor is even required to be present, would help to settle a long-standing argument :) - mark ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Vertica Sports V2
I thought that the V2 went out of fashion in April 1945. Untitled Document Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ On 5/10/2012 08:03, Mike Borgelt wrote: At 10:29 PM 4/10/2012, you wrote: If you hear of anyone looking for a V2 , I might be cheaper than the other guy. Cheers Rod Don't be too sure of that. I'm mainly interested in having this device as an adjunct to our variometer systems that support such. Anyway, I have a source of the same device but at a lower price. Mike *Borgelt Instruments***- /design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 /www.borgeltinstruments.com http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/tel: 07 4635 5784overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784: int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Multiclass Nationals - Benalla 2013
Hi all, Just a reminder that the earlybird entries for the Multiclass Nationals at Benalla in January 2013 will close at the end of October. 41 entries so far. http://www.deltaone.id.au/BenallaMulti13 See you there! -- Untitled Document Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Trunpoint Exchange
It's not you. I have emailed John about it - no doubt others have too - as I have some new waypoints for the Multiclass Nationals to have published. Watch this space... Untitled Document Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ On 20/09/2012 09:09, Mike Borgelt wrote: Is anyone able to access the Worldwide Soaring Turnpoint exchange at present? I keep getting: *Data Service Message* *Requested file not found * Mike *Borgelt Instruments***- /design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 /www.borgeltinstruments.com http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/tel: 07 4635 5784overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784: int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] B500 wanted
Hi all, Wanted - Borgelt B500. In order to standardise Club glider instruments GCV wishes to buy a second-hand Borgelt B500 vario/averager/final glide computer. Contact Rob Dorning at rob...@softdawn.net, or (03) 9489 4298. If anyone is changing or upgrading from one of these instruments Rob would like to hear from you. Please note, this is a specific request for a B500, as it is for a standardisation strategy. -- Untitled Document Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] One man rigging tools.
Hi Don, I have a professionally made Cobra one-person rigging stand which works well with a clamshell trailer. It has only been used half a dozen times since new, and is unmarked. I am seriously considering selling mine as it is not being used - I live next door to the airfield and the glider is rigged and hangared most of the time. Contact me off-list if you are interested. Untitled Document Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ On 4/09/2012 14:51, Don Woodward wrote: G'day, I'm considering purchasing a one man rigging dolly so I can rig and derig my 20 single handed without having to rely on help each time. I've noticed several types on the market on websites like wings and wheels etc but does anyone have any experience with using these? Are there good ones and bad ones, which one is the best? I've seen videos on you tube demonstrating their use but I rarely actually see glider pilots using them at the field. Any opinions or experiences people have had with these wing dollies (good or bad) would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Don Woodward VH-GIB ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Club accounting
Then again, a leather-bound journal and ledger would do the job. No electricity required, and it got a lot easier since the last major upgrade was released (on 14th February 1966). Of course, this solution does require a knowledge of writing - without a keyboard or spell checker - and arithmetic (without a numeric keypad). Could be a worry, these days. Untitled Document Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ On 22/08/2012 13:55, Derek Ruddock wrote: If you don't need payroll, something as simple as MYOB AccountRight (replacement for Business Basics) will probably fit the bill. *From:*aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *Peter (PCS3) *Sent:* Tuesday, 21 August 2012 9:59 PM *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Club accounting You only really need upgrades if you require tax tables. I use MYOB15 as a club treasurer and MYOB19.7 for my office where I need the effing tax tables. I too complain about the cost of upgrades (both MYOB15 and MYOB19.7) look the same but they have me by the short and curlies. PeterS On 21/08/2012 8:23 AM, trevor.bu...@bigpond.com mailto:trevor.bu...@bigpond.com wrote: Hi, can anyone recommend a club accounting program other than MYOB? I would like to get away from the cost of upgrades. Trevor Burke ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Awards and Trophies
Hi all, Just a reminder that the expiry date for applications for this year's trophies is 31st July. These are for: Wally Woods Trophy - Longest Flight off the stick Bob Irvine Trophy - Longest flight on handicap distance Martin Warner Trophy - Greatest Gain of height The eligible period is 1st May 2011 to 30th April 2012. Basic rules are that the flight must be flown in Australia by and Australian, and that the claim must be supported by a valid IGC file. For the Woods and Irvine trophies, the same flight can't win both - but the same pilot can. Please note that the trophies are awarded on application. I don't trawl the OLC (or anything else) for the winners :) I already have a couple of claims, for the Woods and the Warner trophies, so there is no need to resend them. -- Untitled Document Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Awards and Trophies
CAn you send me the IGC files please? Untitled Document Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ On 24/07/2012 20:37, Matthew Scutter wrote: Hi Tim, I'm not sure how many legs are allowed so I'd like to submit two flights for Bob Irvine / Wally Woods: http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/gliding/flightinfo.html?dsId=2195600 1016km in the LS4 http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/gliding/flightinfo.html?dsId=2205849 891km 'OR' in the LS4 Kind Regards, -Matthew On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 7:54 PM, Tim Shirley tshir...@internode.on.net wrote: Hi all, Just a reminder that the expiry date for applications for this year's trophies is 31st July. These are for: Wally Woods Trophy - Longest Flight off the stick Bob Irvine Trophy - Longest flight on handicap distance Martin Warner Trophy - Greatest Gain of height The eligible period is 1st May 2011 to 30th April 2012. Basic rules are that the flight must be flown in Australia by and Australian, and that the claim must be supported by a valid IGC file. For the Woods and Irvine trophies, the same flight can't win both - but the same pilot can. Please note that the trophies are awarded on application. I don't trawl the OLC (or anything else) for the winners :) I already have a couple of claims, for the Woods and the Warner trophies, so there is no need to resend them. -- Cheers Tim tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Cambridge 302 series
Sending the file off list. Untitled Document Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ On 24/07/2012 07:15, Pam Kurstjens wrote: Can someone please point me to where I can download the Cambridge program 300UtilityPC 2.56.exe for connecting a 302 to a PC? The link from the Cambridge Aero Instruments page doesn't lead anywhere. Many thanks Pam ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Only in US of America
Title: Untitled Document And one, no doubt, was with the carabinieri. Cheers Tim tra dire e fare c' mezzo il mare On 20/07/2012 09:17, Christopher McDonnell wrote: Nice to see TWO Chiefs of Police out on patrol. http://www.waxahachietx.com/news/ellis_county/glider-pilots-make-safe-landings-near-roadway-in-italy/article_fe0cbaca-d1e2-11e1-8e21-0019bb2963f4.html ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Benalla Nationals
Www.deltaone.id.au/benallamulti13 Its in the Gfa calendar and it has been open for a couple of months. Cheers Tim Sent from my Motorola ATRIX™ -Original message- From: Robert Hart ha...@interweft.com.au To: Soaring in Australia aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Thu, 12 Jul 2012, 08:15:19 GMT+00:00 Subject: [Aus-soaring] Benalla Nationals ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] GFA Awards and RANGA Scholarship
Hi all, Just a reminder that the nomination period for all GFA Awards and for the RANGA Scholarship are currently open. For details, see the GFA website at http://www.gfa.org.au/imis15/GFA/News/Awards___Trophies/GFA/News_Content/Awards___Trophies.aspx?hkey=7fd9cf00-c4bd-408e-ba36-cd30276f1f7b or contact me off list. GFA Awards include trophies for the highest and longest flights of the year (handicapped and non-handicapped) and a range of awards for contributions in the operations, airworthiness, marketing/development, and sporting areas. Nominations for these awards close on July 31st. The RANGA (Royal Australian Navy Gliding Association) Scholarship provides $1500 towards gliding training for a trainee who has not yet gone solo in any branch of aviation. Although in most years it has been awarded to a younger person, there is no age limit specified in the scholarship rules. Applications for this scholarship close on July 3rd. Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] self declared fitness
Sorry, that does not answer the question. Where is the evidence that pilots with a Class 2 medical are safer? Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ On 18/05/2012 18:16, Texler, Michael wrote: I wonder what statistical evidence there is for the added safety value of the Class 2 Medical. Let's also not forget that glider pilots are aging (like their aircraft), so statistically your chance of developing a medical health issue is increased just by virtue of being around longer. Diabetes, high blood pressure can be silently doing you damage. Many chronic medical problems can be better managed when they are diagnosed early, so aviation medicals aside, everyone should have a family GP and visit them once a year for a health check (even the young folk). Pee in a jar, get your blood pressure checked, have your blood glucose and lipids checked. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] GFA Awards and Trophies
Hi all, The nomination period for GFA Trophies and Awards is now open, and will close on July 31st. Details of the various awards, and the nomination process, can be found on the GFA website at http://www.gfa.org.au/imis15/GFA/News/Awards___Trophies/GFA/News_Content/Awards___Trophies.aspx?hkey=7fd9cf00-c4bd-408e-ba36-cd30276f1f7b Also, the application period for the RANGA scholarship is also open - details at the same location - this scholarship is open to any pre-solo GFA member. The closing dates for applications for this scholarship is 30th June. Please contact me off list if you need further information. -- Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] 51st Multiclass Nationals - Benalla
Hi all, This is to advise that entries for the 51st Multiclass Nationals are now open - see the competition website at www.deltaone.id.au/BenallaMulti13 for details and online entry form. The event will run from 7th-18th January at Benalla, and we look forward to seeing the usual suspects and many new faces as well. Competition Director will be Peter Gray, and John Switala is chairing the organising committee. I may have a minor role somewhere around the place (webmaster, at least). -- Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Radio near collision.
Hi all, It's not quite right to suggest that it is only glider pilots who need training. A recent radio exchange at Benalla went something like this: Cessna XXX 10 miles SE Benalla maintaining 4500 ft overflying for Mangalore Cessna XXX glider YYY, be aware there are approximately 6 gliders operating in the vicinity of the airfield up to 6000ft YYY this is XXX, please give locations of all gliders XXX, gliders may be operating at any location within 10 miles of the airfield and altitude up to cloudbase. Please keep a good lookout. YYY, there should be a NOTAM out for that XXX, this is YYY, the ERSA entry for Benalla states that glider operations may be carried out during daylight hours on any day As I have commented before on this forum, the operational characteristics of gliders makes information provided by radio far less useful in a predictive sense than the same information given by a powered aircraft because gliders don't fly precise tracks or maintain constant altitudes. This is no one's fault, and it won't be fixed simply by more frequent, more detailed or more correct transmissions. I have a simple rule for the radio. I listen as much as possible and I talk as little as I can get away with while still complying with all reasonable rules. Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ On 20/04/2012 10:17, Mark Newton wrote: On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 09:31:21AM +1000, Christopher Mc Donnell wrote: http://www.thechronicle.com.au/story/2012/04/20/teenage-pilots-quick-response-avoids-collision/ The actual ATSB report referenced by the article is here: http://www.atsb.gov.au/media/3548648/ab-2012-019.pdf#page=47 I'm sure there's a lot of room for interpretation here (i.e., concerning whether a CAR166C broadcast is strictly required if the glider pilot doesn't believe it is necessary to do so to avoid a collision, or the risk of a collision with another aircraft.) The differing guidance between the competition rules, GFA rules and CASA rules about which frequency should be used and when broadcasts should be made is also up for discussion. But one thing worth hilighting is that I think CASA and GFA have diverged in their focus on radio of late. My experience of GFA's training concerning radio is that it emphasised minimizing radio chatter in favor of focussing on flying the aeroplane and looking out. Meanwhile CASA's training of GA pilots has emphasised more promiscuous use of the radio, leading to glider pilots making snarky comments about GA pilots spending all their time talking instead of looking where they're going. I think glider pilot radio training has probably varied quite a bit from club to club too -- which is, itself, a problem. Over the last couple of years, CASA has shifted from see and avoid to radio assisted see and avoid to see and avoid alerted by mandatory radio calls. The CTAF rules published last year are the latest step in that evolution. I don't think a lot of glider pilots have kept up with those changes. Moreover, glider pilots trained more than a few years ago who haven't updated their skills are now probably using radio very differently to other airspace users, even if it is consistent with the way they were trained. (have you read the latest version of the GFA radio operators handbook? It's probably different from the one you were trained against. I'd include a link, but GFA's website seems to be down at the moment...) - mark ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Easements in the air
I'm not sure what Terry's neighbour was growing... or perhaps he is the president of the local nudist club... Perhaps some perspective is needed. Outlandings are a normal part of our sport and almost all go well. Expecting the worst is not a good way to build confidence. In 35 years of X/C gliding I have had my share or outlandings, and I've done a lot of retrieves. I've heard stories about farmers from hell, and I'm sure they exist, but I've never actually met one. The usual reactions I get are curiosity, concern, and the best of cooperation and assistance. I've had beer, food, lifts, wing runners, help with derigging, hospitality - and I've met some terrific people. Even the mythical farmers daughter on one occasion (but perhaps I was dreaming). I've never damaged anything. Not me, not my glider, no property, no animals. Yes, maybe next time it will happen. I should not speak too soon. A smile and a friendly explanation goes a long way, I find. And so, I expect, would an up front apology and offer to pay for damage, if it was necessary. I can't imagine the need for police, or lawyers. Or documents in the glove box. Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ On 24/03/2012 21:32, Christopher Mc Donnell wrote: Thanks Bernie That's the article I remember. Printed and ready for the glovebox. A little more prominence perhaps. - Original Message - *From:* Bernie Baer mailto:bb...@internode.on.net *To:* aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net *Sent:* Saturday, March 24, 2012 5:46 PM *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Easements in the air Here you go: http://2009.gfa.org.au/Docs/ops/Outlanding%20Legal%20Advice.pdf ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Radio (was something about the waggling of wings)
The difference in standards comes from a couple of reasons. The first is that most of the radios we use were designed with the assumption that a good supply of reliable power was available from the alternator, and probably little design attention was paid to transmit performance with depleted batteries running through old wiring and dicky fuses. We may have got a reading you 5 from the glider next to us in the morning with a fully charged battery but it doesn't mean much in the circuit after a 5 hour flight. The second is that a glider radio is less useful for situational awareness than the radio in a powered aircraft, because powered aircraft tracks and particularly altitudes are far more predictable. Also, we don't chat to ATC much. So in fact, a radio in a glider is less useful and less used for official communication, and so less respected, maintained, etc Then there are an increasing number of pilots who use their radios like mobile phones. I just switch off when those idiots start. It improves my safety because I can hear myself think. Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ On 23/03/2012 10:45, Mark Newton wrote: On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 08:40:57AM +1100, ian mcphee wrote: I think 50% radio problems could be fixed with new fuse,use holder or circuit breaker, 16g quality wire, check SWR and replace BNC or aerial if needbe, and use QUALITY charger with new dual batteries. I think 100% of radio problems could be fixed by following the manufacturer's installation instructions :) I admit some radios are getting near their useby date~how many electronic items do you have that are 20+ years old~not many I suspect. The radio installation in the typical Cessna 152 is at least as old as that, if not older; and arguably installed into a more hostile environment (vibration). Yet it works well enough to carry out conversations with ATC every day. Not sure why a glider tug is different from that 152 in that respect. As Robert said, their radios tend to be pretty poor too, yet they'd have been installed and maintained by the same LAMEs that install and maintain the radios in the local flying school's Cessnas. Why the difference in standards? - mark ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Radio (was something about the waggling of wings)
Mike (both Mikes), Spot on, thanks. Radio is most useful at the end of a flight. Whether to report an outlanding, announce our arrival or fit in to circuit traffic, it's nearly always in the last 10 mins of flight that it does most good. Therefore, we need batteries, wiring, and all the rest of good enough quality that still allows the radio to work after many hours flying. And if it works at the end of the flight, it will probably work the rest of the time as well. Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ On 23/03/2012 16:06, Mike Borgelt wrote: At 10:48 AM 23/03/2012, you wrote: The difference in standards comes from a couple of reasons. The first is that most of the radios we use were designed with the assumption that a good supply of reliable power was available from the alternator, and probably little design attention was paid to transmit performance with depleted batteries running through old wiring and dicky fuses. We may have got a reading you 5 from the glider next to us in the morning with a fully charged battery but it doesn't mean much in the circuit after a 5 hour flight. The second is that a glider radio is less useful for situational awareness than the radio in a powered aircraft, because powered aircraft tracks and particularly altitudes are far more predictable. Also, we don't chat to ATC much. So in fact, a radio in a glider is less useful and less used for official communication, and so less respected, maintained, etc Then there are an increasing number of pilots who use their radios like mobile phones. I just switch off when those idiots start. It improves my safety because I can hear myself think. Cheers *Tim* Tim, I agree about the distraction of radio in flight on a glider cross country (or powered aircraft for that matter most of the time) but it is useful in the circuit and around the airfield as an aid to situational awareness. In the emergency situation we're talking about there seems to be a need for communication as shown by the semaphore procedure so maybe it ought to be the best and least intrusive communication possible? An alternative would be to agree on the maximum release height with the tug pilot before takeoff on the understanding that on reaching that +500 feet the tuggie will head over the top of the field and release his end? No airborne comms required. Best to go into/be in high tow though. Don't forget also the recent radio use changes at registered and licensed airfields. You are expected to carry a working radio and use it. We might not talk to ATC much but there are people in powered aircraft who may use the field and if one calls and you detect a conflict you are expected to answer. Gliding doesn't operate in isolation. I'm afraid the no radio days are gone. Mike *Borgelt Instruments***- /design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 /www.borgeltinstruments.com http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/tel: 07 4635 5784overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784: int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders
It must cost quite a bit to maintain all the paperwork and engineering expertise for the older gliders and if they are going to stay in business someone has to pay the bills. I guess some factories might just load up the price of new gliders, or their repair prices, or their price for parts, in DG's case they are asking the owners of the older gliders to pay a subscription. Whatever way it is done, it can never be a charity. I'm not defending their particular business model, only observing that there's no such thing as a free launch. Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ On 20/03/2012 10:20, Ross McLean wrote: Up to that point I had always had a high regard for DG. Once they pulled that little trick I was much less impressed with them. The LS8 is such a great glider though I am now at their mercy. ROSS *From:*aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *John Trezise *Sent:* Tuesday, 20 March 2012 8:14 AM *To:* aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net *Subject:* [Aus-soaring] DG Licenses for old LS and DG Gliders Hi Ross ... so you were hit for 2 years. The annual fee if you go through Tom is Eu190 per year around ... around AUD 260 including GST. Direct to the factory (which allows you to deal directly with DG) is Eu250 ... around AUD312. John ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] World Gliding Championships 2015
And both worthy of congratulation and support. Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ On 8/03/2012 20:20, tom claffey wrote: Hi Ann, A little correction is that the 2001 comp was for Club Class, the Narromine comp is for the Junior WGC. Regards, Tom *From:* Ann Woolf annwo...@riverland.net.au *To:* aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net *Sent:* Thursday, 8 March 2012 3:18 PM *Subject:* [Aus-soaring] World Gliding Championships 2015 Well, we did have them at Gawler in 2001, and as they are every 2 years, that's not so very far apart for a World Comps On 8/03/2012 12:00 PM, aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net mailto:aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net wrote: Message: 1 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 11:51:42 + From: Angus Stewartstewa...@gmail.com mailto:stewa...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] World Gliding Championships 2015 To: Mal Brucem...@mals.net mailto:m...@mals.net,Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Message-ID: cafn5kg9ontjjgxxj3sacmkrtq+tclbba9vrxffz1ngwczwp...@mail.gmail.com mailto:tclbba9vrxffz1ngwczwp...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Woohoo! About time it came to Australia:-) On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Mal Brucem...@mals.net mailto:m...@mals.net wrote: 8th FAI Junior?s World Gliding Championships 2015 awarded to Narromine, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine
It seems a bit odd to be raising a concern on aus-soaring that is specific to one competition . The only people who can do anything about it (should anything need to be done about it) are the CD or perhaps other officials of the competition, who may or may not read this forum. The relevant files are referenced in the local rules of the event and so can only be changed by officials. It isn't a democracy. Can I suggest it be taken off-list and directly with them? Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ On 26/01/2012 11:28, tom claffey wrote: There is no airspace of concern in the task area? Start points in the turnpoint file are the old ones. Tom *From:* Ross McLean ross...@bigpond.net.au *To:* 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net *Sent:* Thursday, 26 January 2012 1:07 AM *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine Hi Chris The airspace file was provided to the organizers by a highly experienced competition pilot and the CD felt that the turnpoint file developed by Miles Gore-Brown previously gave the task setters a whole lot of flexibility to set tasks according to the weather variables. There are no real airspace issues tasking out of Narromine so it wasn't felt necessary to assign a playing field as such in the airspace file but rather to provide a file that identified all the CTAFR and Danger Area airspace restrictions that are present locally and are generally only activated by NOTAM. There is really no Restricted Airspace in the realistic task areas out of Narromine. I have personally uploaded the airspace file to my iPaq running Winpilot and have found no problem with it at all. I am left wondering what your issue is in real terms. Regards, ROSS *From:*aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *Chris Woolley *Sent:* Wednesday, 25 January 2012 4:35 PM *To:* 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine Narromine Nationals Competitors, The Narromine Nationals web site has links to the turnpoint and airspace files (see below) which from my point of view have issues * For those WinPilot users there are issues with the official airspace file because it is too large. It looks like it covers the whole continent. * The official turnpoint file looks like one Miles put together for record flying out of Narromine many years ago. From my point of view it is not suitable in its current form. The joeyglide 2010 airspace and turnpoint files for Narromine look much better. http://soaringweb.org/TP/Narromine Regards Chris *From:*aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *Ross McLean *Sent:* Sunday, 22 January 2012 4:18 PM *To:* 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' *Subject:* [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine *50th MultiClass Nationals Preparation Finalised: * ** *We're All Set!! *the organisation is all in place and we are ready to go. All sections of the website www.narromineglidingclub.com.au/Narromine50/MultiClass2012.html http://www.narromineglidingclub.com.au/Narromine50/MultiClass2012.html are fully functional. The rules, handicaps, turnpoints, airspace files are all on the site and are available for download. The website has the facility to upload your log files directly to the scorer from your web browser and you can check the scores online with a single click. The weather page is comprehensive and apart from the daily met briefing each day provided by the competition organizers you will be able to do your own forecasting well ahead of time. If you want to follow the progress of the pilots during the task each day you will be able to track them with the SPOT device directly from the website. If you haven't registered for the competition yet there are still a few places available and you will be very welcome to join the fun. You can download the entry form from the website and email it back to the comp organizers. It promises to be a great Comp! We hope you enjoy it and have fun. ROSS ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list
Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine
Hi Mike, Your generic points about file editing are perfectly correct, and there's certainly nothing wrong with a general discussion about how to make an airspace file or files that everyone can live with. I make similar files quite regularly and I am in agreement that the smaller the file, the better. However, the existing files are fixed in the rules for Narromine. Since the scorer can only use the files specified in the rules, the danger for anyone using a different and unofficial file in their PDA will be the possibility of getting penalties due to something important accidentally disappearing in the editing. The problem with this forum is that while many of the Narromine entrants and organisers will be reading this, there will also be many who are not, and no one knows which ones. So it is not quite correct to say that everyone knows about this concern now. This is why I suggest going direct to the organisers. Anyone can edit the files, but only the the organisers can change them on an official basis and make sure every entrant (and the scorer) gets an identical copy. That remains my recommendation. Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ On 26/01/2012 13:56, MIKE BORGELT wrote: At 11:59 AM 26/01/2012, you wrote: It seems a bit odd to be raising a concern on aus-soaring that is specific to one competition . The only people who can do anything about it (should anything need to be done about it) are the CD or perhaps other officials of the competition, who may or may not read this forum. The relevant files are referenced in the local rules of the event and so can only be changed by officials. It isn't a democracy. Can I suggest it be taken off-list and directly with them? Cheers *Tim* Why? This could arise at any contest and now everyone is aware of it. We could have one person edit the databases for the contest or every single pilot gets to do it. Try to think before hitting send. I know it hurts but try to make the effort. Mike ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Ramp Check on Tug at Beverley
I rather think that what the Wright Brothers actually invented was the aileron, or its immediate predecessor. Everything else about the basic aeroplane that they flew was pretty much already known and in existence. One reason they came up with the idea was probably that they were bicycle manufacturers and riders. How do you make a bike go round a corner? Lean it over... Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ On 22/01/2012 11:21, MIKE BORGELT wrote: At 03:54 PM 16/01/2012, you wrote: Wilbur and Orville invented the airplane so that's what it should be called IMO. I'll go along with ramp too. They did what? I can't think of one thing that they invented. Perhaps they were the first to achieve sustainable, controlled, powered flight. That usually is achieved using something called an airplane by Wilbur and Orville's countrymen. Putting together existing technology in new ways to achieve a useful result usually qualifies for the term invention, although the Wrights identified the need for roll control amongst other things. The Wrights set about improving their invention and did marketing and sales and later merged with Curtiss. The Curtiss-Wright Corporation for a long time manufactured ...airplanes and engines for them. They still exist http://www.curtisswright.com/ and make aerospace products amongst other things. What did all the other pretenders to the claim to having invented the airplane do? BTW a variant of wing warping may yet make a comeback. Search for morphing wings etc. The Wright's predecessors and contemporaries may have called them 'Aerodromes' but they didn't fly. If the Wrights had access to Langley's engine, powered flight would have been advanced by several years. Expensively government funded project vs a couple of businessmen. Sort of reminds one of NASA and SpaceX nowadays. Mike Maybe I can think of things they patented which set the US aeroplane industry back a decade or so, but nothing comes to mind that they actually invented. And their predecessors and contemporaries called them 'Aerodromes'. D ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] 31st Club and Sports Class Nationals
Hi all, This is just to let you know that at present we have 64 paid and 2 unpaid entries for this competition. We will accept a maximum of 70, and they will be accepted in the order that payment is received. So if you have entered but have not yet paid, it would be a good idea to pay as soon as possible. And if you would like to enter the biggest Nationals in recent memory but have not yet done so, there are still a few spots available - but only a few. www.deltaone.id.au/Benalla2012 -- Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Calender of Gliding Events
Mike, The NCC (National Competition Committee) actually still exists - they just dropped a C somewhere along the line in recognition of the fact that they deal with a lot more than just Co-ordination. Ross McLean is the current chair. The NCC and its predecessor is responsible for scheduling and rules of National competition. It has never had jurisdiction over State Associations or clubs. Regardless of what NCC decided, a State Association can (and sometimes does) schedule a competition in conflict with a Nationals and so can a club. South Australia is holding an event in conflict with the Club Class Nationals in January, as well as Horsham clashing with the multiclass. And it was always thus, though of course scheduling was a bit easier when we had only one Nationals and not three. It's a Federation, just like Australia :) And the dark ages were only dark to those who lacked a torch and some L-ion batteries. In this setup, the wonder is not that there are clashes but that there are so few. There are too many events and too few weeks, and at least in the case of Nationals very few places and people capable and willing to host them. What is pleasing is that there seems to be a lot of customers for gliding events of all types at present. It's probably better to have this problem than the other one. Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ On 12/11/2011 10:09, Mike Borgelt wrote: At 08:10 PM 11/11/2011, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_0053_01CCA0B6.4D4C9BA0 Content-Language: en-au Mike -- we already have there here in Canberra ;) Once upon a time there was a thing called the NCCC National Competitions Co-ordinating Committee. These contests require sanction by the GFA IIRC. So in about April everyone running a contest puts in their bids for time slots and the NCCC then tries to minimise the conflicts. Some of the conflicts aren't that important eg WA State contest and any Nationals as few WA pilots go to Nationals. You could move this process 12 months earlier if necessary to aloow time for annual leave applications etc. A Dark Age is when you not only don't know how to do things but you've forgotten you ever knew. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Cambridge Model 10/20/25 Loggers for the OLC
Hi John, I don't speak for either the OLC or the GFA, but as an innocent bystander I can make a couple of comments. The OLC is a private organisation which makes its own decisions. It is not directly connected with the FAI or IGC and the GFA has no more influence with it than any other customer would have. We are also quite a small customer in the whole scheme of things. The older Cambridge flight recorders are susceptible to hacking because while their security was adequate with the computing power that was available to individuals in the 1990's, it is no longer adequate given what is available now. The IGC has also downgraded these devices and will almost certainly withdraw their accreditation soon. The OLC has a particular security problem because flights are submitted online and the only security for the system is the quality of security available in the device itself. There are no Official Observers or competition scorers to confirm the flight. The OLC has seen examples of attempted cheating and I guess they think it is in their interest to maximise the integrity of their competition even at the expense of some short-term disappointment for a small and reducing number of customers. It is certainly not a sudden decision, it has been coming for a while. All flight recorders have a use-by date and it is a tribute to Cambridge that theirs have lasted as long as they have. This is not the first device thay have removed, and it won't be the last. My advice is to upgrade your flight recorders. I think it is highly unlikely that this decision will be changed. Depending on which part of OLC you are entering, Flarm traces are acceptable, though not for motor gliders of course. Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ On 9/11/2011 16:03, John Trezise wrote: Brought to my attention today that from January, the OLC will not accept traces from Cambridge Model 10/20/25 loggers. This will cause us problems as all club gliders are equipped with these loggers. Don't know if the GFA is aware or has had any input, but would suspect it we are not the only ones affected so maybe if we all make enough noise we might be able to get the OLC people to reconsider this sudden decision which will take effect mid way through our season and which has not really given anyone much opportunity to consider other arrangements. The announcement : The OLC's support to GPS-Nav/Cambridge 10/20/25 will cease on Dezember 31st The validation procedure of GPS-Nav/Cambridge 10/20/25 is out of date since a long time and administring it further is not sustainable. In efforts to find a solution with representatives from the manufacturer we could not come to a feasible conclusion. Therefore participation at the OLC with GPS-Nav/Cambridge 10/20/25 will be only possible until the end of 2011. We appologize for any inconvenience and hope for your understanding ... And is part of the Newsletter at http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/segelflugszene/cmsnews.html?month=112011news=398#398 http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/segelflugszene/cmsnews.html?month=112011news=398#398 John ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] 31st Club and Sports Class Nationals
Hi all, This is to advise that the Sports Committee have agreed to a rule change for the 20 metre 2 seater class at this event, so that then minumum class size will be six. As a result (since we have 6 entries so far), this class will definitely be flown as a separate class to Multiclass rules and the winner will be declared Australian Champion. We currently have 63 paid entries and we have a limit of 70, so additional entries are still welcome especially in this class. The online entry form is on the website at www.deltaone.id.au/Benalla2012 -- Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] 31st Club and Sports Class Nationals Update
Hi all, The period for early entries to the 31st Club and Sports Class Nationals ended yesterday, 31st October. The event will be held at Benalla from 2nd to 13th January 2012. At the close of early entries we had 64 entries of which 62 have paid their entry fee. These 62 now have confirmed places at the competition. Since we can accept up to 70 entries, there are 8 places available, and these will be filled in order of received (and paid) entries. The entry fee from now on is $360. If the numbers remain like this it will be the largest Club/Sports class Nationals ever held, and one of the largest fields at any Nationals. I'd like to thank all the entrants for their support. There are currently 34 confirmed entries in club class, 22 in Sports Class and 6 in 20m 2 seater. We will not be able to run a championship class in 20m class unless we have 8 entries, so to encourage entries we will extend the early entry fee of $300 until the end of November for this class only. Hopefully at least another two entries will appear. If we don't get the necessary 8 entries, the 20m class will be combined with Sports Class but we will also score them separately and there will be prizes - but unfortunately no Australian Championship. The competition website, and online entry form, can be found at www.deltaone.id.au/Benalla2012 -- Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Miles Gore-Brown contact
Hi all, Does anyone have a valid email address for Miles? The one I have is returning an error. Please reply off list. -- Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Club and Sports Class Nationals
Hi All, A final reminder that early bird entries for the Nationals (with guaranteed places for fully paid seeded pilots and the lower entry fee) finish at the end of October. The entry form is on the website at www.deltaone.id.au/Benalla2012 The event has proved to be popular - there are 62 entries currently, and we can take a maximum of 70. However, we have only six in the new 20 metre 2 seater class and we need 8 to make a championship class, so if you or anyone you know has an eligible 2 seater, please encourage them to come along. If you have any questions, please contact me off list. -- Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Clearnav new software
Sounds like someone has just invented the Assigned Area Task. Only 10 years late :) Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ On 29/09/2011 12:52, Jim Staniforth wrote: I've had a few flights with beta software .525 now. No problems. The HW/TW component is nice. Tasks on the main ribbon is convenient, but it's a lot of clicks from there to the IGC declaration page. Didn't try anything else. Still no North up while circling option. But it's coming. Jim *From:* Ian Mc Phee mrsoar...@gmail.com *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2011 5:30 PM *Subject:* [Aus-soaring] Clearnav new software For those using ClearNav there is new software 2.1.0.525 (12 September, 2011) and is available in the down load section of web site. Notes are below and more is explained in Soaring Cafe http://www.clearnav.net/main/cn-software-525.html http://soaringcafe.com/2011/09/flying-tats-with-clearnav/ Ian McPhee 0428847642 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Club and Sports Class Nationals
Hi All, The weather is starting to warm up at Benalla and it has been quite dry in the last month or so. With any luck we will have a much more normal start to the season. At this stage we have 46 entries, and still 6 weeks till earlybird entries close at the end of October. We can take up to 70, so there is still plenty of room for entries. There is a good rollup in the traditional Club and Sports classes, but we don't have enough yet in the 2 seater class. If you know anyone with an eligible two seater please encourage them - it would be nice to see a good contest in this class. Duo's, DG 1000, DG500, Janus, are all possibles. The class is handicapped and water ballast is allowed. You can find the website at http://www.deltaone.id.au/Benalla2012. Entry is through the online form on the site. If you have any questions, please contact me off list. -- Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] GPS vs Pressure Altitude
I'm not sure that a mistake and misinformation are quite the same. However I am happy to acknowledge that I am human, and to support in full the rest of Mike's comments. The trick to getting an altitude record at present is to fly to a place where the pressure is less than the last record. It doesn't matter much how high that is. Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ On 13/09/2011 11:39, Mike Borgelt wrote: In the interests of mis - information being quashed: I was right about GPS vs Pressure altitude(PA). Tim advised me he had GPS and Pressure Altitude transposed in his spreadsheet. So his analysis of flight records now agrees with the theoretical analysis in my article and my manual analysis of the IGC files that a few very helpful people sent me. Thanks again guys. As we fly gliders mostly in summer when it is warmer than ISA, most of the time GPS altitude is greater than PA. Not necessarily so in winter on wave flights. If you find this isn't so it may be because you have an early GPS receiver in the FR with some heavy filtering (early Colibris in particular or weird processing of GPS and PA) or your pressure sensor in the FR is off significantly. It also looks to me like the pressure altitude is the anomaly in Geoff Vincent's Flarm. I'd need a few more files to be sure. If you want to compare GPS and PA do remember to take the offsets into account before takeoff and after landing. In this case the FRs that don't automatically start on movement or climb are probably better. Pressure varies from day to day and the pressure sensor in the FR is fixed to 1013 Hpa reference pressure. If you have an early Colibri don't attempt to use the GPS altitude for final glide calculations. Some other FRs seem to show gaps in the GPS altitude record or in the case of one recent FR design the GPS receiver seems to be one optimised for 2D navigation and ground vehicle dynamics with maybe some dead reckoning of GPS altitude under some circumstances . You can't really use that GPS altitude for final glides either. The CAI 302 traces seemed to be quite good with only the odd gap(Garmin module), the EW Microrecorder seems to have an excellent GPS receiver and I would expect FLARM GPS data to be very good also as the GPS module is one where the user can set it for flight dynamics and full time 3D navigation. Always assuming you have a good antenna location with no shielding by the airframe or your body. This is one of the reasons we use our own GPS module in the B500 and now B800 where we use GPS altitude for final glides. We know how the GPS is set up. The glider cares about geometric altitude for how far it can glide, not PA. PA is a requirement for airspace compliance. In my experience given that the surface pressure will change during the day and the errors inherent in using cockpit statics as well as other problems in electronic pressure sensing, GPS altitude is superior to PA for final glides. Do remember to give yourself a margin as your glider may not really glide as well as assumed in the polar in your electronic final glide computer. In some B800 configurations you'll get a real time display of how well it glides against the assumed polar on every glide. See the article on www.borgeltinstruments.com Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 ABN: 75532924542 phone 0746 355784 fax 0746 358796 cellphones 0428 355784 0429 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com P.O.Box 4607 Toowoomba East, 4350 Queensland Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] AEF fees, Funding, and the Demise of Gliding
Hi all,
At GCV in Benalla we have three levels of AEF ranging in price from $135
to $235.
The vast majority of those who take them up buy the most expensive
version, and most make a 400km round trip from Melbourne for the experience.
It's not the price, it's the service. You can book online, and through
gift websites, receive vouchers that can be redeemed at a convenient
time, and we are very flexible about weather, cancellations and
re-booking. Personally, if I feel the passenger has not had full value
I will offer to take them for a second flight at my own expense.
Quality and service is remembered long after price is forgotten.
GCV gets few new members this way, but plenty of revenue, so we may as
well charge what the market will pay. Recruits come from those with a
more sporting interest, or who are already interested in gliding rather
than other types of aviation. Judging by our last season's crop, most
of them are hanging out for the cross-country course in November and
wondering how to get into the LS4 before then.
The current problems with gliding are caused by sticking to a business
model and organisational structure that was effective in the period up
to about 1980. No other business which believed that would be around
for long - why do we?
Gliding does not appear to be demising at the top end of the sport.
Read the magazine if you don't believe that - almost every page is
filled with articles about competitions and high-tech (and yes, high
cost) equipment. The featured club at Lake Keepit makes its money from
people who drive 400km from Sydney, or who attend competitions and other
events there. Every year well-heeled gliding tourists arrive at
Narromine, Corowa, Benalla and other places with containers full of top
end gliders. It's not all doom and gloom.
You can learn to fly in a Tecnam (or a Blanik), but have you ever heard
of a World Championships for them? And in which other branch of
aviation can you fly a ASG29 or JS1, or anything even vaguely
approaching them?
We need to sell our strengths (preferably to doctors and lawyers), and
stop lamenting a lost era. Perhaps in the future we'll have less
members and less small clubs, but a healthier sport. We need to face
facts and finally admit that we are no longer a cut price flying
training outfit.
Cheers
/Tim/
/tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/
On 8/09/2011 12:33, gstev...@bigpond.com wrote:
Hi Macca, JR, All,
A couple of very nice postings, that gives some perspective, on this
vexing subject.
Yeah the AEF fee to GFA is large, but I have never heard of any AEF
person bucking about this. I very much suspect that much of this is
because they really don't understand just what is going on here
(despite a briefing by an experienced club member, and signing their
life away)! Possibly they are focused on the goal, which is of
course as it should be - to go flying.
However if you bother to read the communications from the GFA, you
will find that this fee has been set on the basis that somebody has
to pay for the administration of our sport. In a nutshell under the
current thinking, if the AEF people don't contribute, then it is YOU
who must pay more. It is all about balancing the books.
In the very short term, Macca's response now leads me to suggest the
following: Keep the AEF fee the same, but increase the 3 day
membership to 3 months. { I suspect that the current number of 3 month
memberships is VERY low.} I haven't done any research here, but I
bet that my proposal will not make the slightest bit of difference to
revenue collected, and JUST MAYBE it might get the movement an
additional member or ten which will of course actually increase
revenue a bit - but revenue raising is not - just to make it crystal
clear - the prime goal of the exercise.
However let me say once again, for about the hundredth time, that the
basic problem is political, and until the GFA board acknowledges this,
and then sets about seriously*- lets start with say $500,000
seriously, expended on this over the next few years - *addressing this
issue, this sport will continue to slide, possibly into oblivion: Note
again JR's comment about the little clubs disappearing. This is of
course followed by the big clubs disappearing: QED!
It is very interesting that *just one* member of the gliding movement,
(let alone anyone on the board), has ever bothered to make comment on
my suggestion about a political solution to the problem, and that one
comment was not at all favourable. Are GFA members so lacking in
foresight that they cannot see the problem? I find this hard to
believe, but then again, I guess the Dodo did not expect to become
extinct either!
Gliding administration is growing increasingly complex - read
increasingly more expensive. The Federal Government doles out a
pittance to the GFA to administer the sport. If you have missed my
earlier comment on the subject, let me
