[Aus-soaring] Horsham Week 2014 Stats
Hi, I've compiled some stats for the Horsham Week 2014 competition that finished on Saturday, 8/02/2014. http://www.horshamweek.org.au/ Regards Jarek Data from the Soaring Spot site: http://www.soaringspot.com/hsm2014/ Kilometres Flown and Speeds are non-handicapped. Calculated for non-zero scores only. Speeds calculated for finishers only. Averages per pilot across all tasks. - Six Competition Days - Total Kilometres flown in all classes: 55,809.30 km Open / 18M Class: - Kilometres Flown: 15,365 km - Max Distance Flown: 601.10 km - Average Distance Flown: 374.75 km - Max Task Speed: 166.30 km / h - Average Task Speed: 118.91 km /h 15M/ Standard Class: - Kilometres Flown: 24,536 km - Max Distance Flown: 565.80 km - Average Distance Flown: 340.77 km - Max Task Speed: 131.00 km / h - Average Task Speed: 99.82 km /h Club Class: - Kilometres Flown: 19,908.30 km - Max Distance Flown: 421.60 km - Average Distance Flown: 294.59 km - Max Task Speed: 131.00 km / h - Average Task Speed: 99.90 km /h ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Horsham Week 2014
Wrong analogy. Gliding is a volunteer sport. I am not trying to sell a product to anyone. I do not profit personally, except some satisfaction if I introduce someone to Gliding and they enjoy it sufficiently to stay on and take it up. That unfortunately is rare. I have no interest in helping anyone achieve their bucket list. They can look for a commercial operator for that. On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 5:29 PM, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: So you do a deal to buy a car of certain specifications, pay the money and find on the delivery date the diesel you ordered is a petrol and the colour which you specifically chose is not available and the car in front of you is some other colour and if you complain you are told to build your own if you don't like it? There's an interesting thread on r.a.s. at the moment about the California City soaring operation closing down which you might like to read. Also by co-incidence Karl Denninger this morning has a little story about the scuba diving industry in the US. here: http://www.market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=228385 There may be some lessons here. Mike At 02:57 PM 10/02/2014, you wrote: The Horsham Week competition is run by the pilots themselves. They set the rules. I expect that the GFA guidelines are respected. However the pilots can replace the scorer, if they re not happy. Only problem is getting a volunteer to take on the job. First to complain about some else is doing their job nominates them self. Yours Peter Champness On Feb 10, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Simon Holding shold...@hotmail.com wrote: My understanding is that on day one of the contest, without warning, the CD announced that the Scorer was only interested in scoring according to Australian National rules, or was not prepared to score the contest. It seems the pilots acceded to this ultimatum, thus raising the spectre of duress. I am curious whether this denial of natural justice is a modern GFA interpretation of that doctrine, or, has it been ever thus in gliding contests? *From:* aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.netaus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *Jo Pocklington *Sent:* Monday, 10 February 2014 7:13 AM *To:* 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' *Cc:* 'GGC Members' *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Horsham Week 2014 Traditionally, Horsham Week has been an entry level comp with pilots required to nominate 3 flying days in advance to allow sharing of a glider for the 8 days. The idea was to attract beginner-pilots to share a club glider and compete against all levels of pilots, up to international standard. For the record, 2014 Horsham Week was scored to new rules. Local Rules (published Dec 13) included the usual: *All* scoring days will attract 1000 points. This was rescinded at briefing on day one resulting in 3 devalued days in 15m (882, 979, 612) and Open (707, 893, 600) and 2 in Club (821, 600) and Std (882, 612). A pilot who pre-nominated the subsequently-devalued days was therefore disadvantaged, contrary to the spirit of Horsham Week. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring *Borgelt Instruments* - *design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 * www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Horsham Week 2014
No it isn't. GFA employs people, some clubs employ people, glider and equipment manufacturers try to run at a profit and employ people. Some gliding operations (even in Australia) are privately owned and run for profit. It is a business with customers. Some of the businesses are disguised as non profit clubs. Did you bother to read the article at the link? I see certain parallels to gliding. The only power anyone has in gliding is to sufficiently piss people off so they leave. Arriving at a contest having paid the entry fee, organising time off (maybe buying or hiring a glider and having done the training and practice to be able to fly at a contest - a huge investment) and having been given a set of rules which you are happy enough to live buy, only to have them changed at briefing on the first day, seems to me to be a good way of ensuring that some won't turn up next year. Unfortunately gliding in Australia has been VERY successful at getting people to leave, hence the downsizing of the activity over the last 30 years. Don't worry, there is more to come. The current GFA leadership, to use the term loosely, is bending over backwards to ensure that those of you who get their gliders maintained by the handful of commercial workshops will find that this is more expensive and difficult than in the past, if indeed it is still available to you. The GFA leadership in the airworthiness area is particularly enthusiastic about this. Mike At 06:02 PM 10/02/2014, you wrote: Wrong analogy. Gliding is a volunteer sport. I am not trying to sell a product to anyone. I do not profit personally, except some satisfaction if I introduce someone to Gliding and they enjoy it sufficiently to stay on and take it up. That unfortunately is rare. I have no interest in helping anyone achieve their bucket list. They can look for a commercial operator for that. On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 5:29 PM, Mike Borgelt mailto:mborg...@borgeltinstruments.commborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: So you do a deal to buy a car of certain specifications, pay the money and find on the delivery date the diesel you ordered is a petrol and the colour which you specifically chose is not available and the car in front of you is some other colour and if you complain you are told to build your own if you don't like it? There's an interesting thread on r.a.s. at the moment about the California City soaring operation closing down which you might like to read. Also by co-incidence Karl Denninger this morning has a little story about the scuba diving industry in the US. here: http://www.market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=228385http://www.market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=228385 There may be some lessons here. Mike At 02:57 PM 10/02/2014, you wrote: The Horsham Week competition is run by the pilots themselves. They set the rules. I expect that the GFA guidelines are respected. However the pilots can replace the scorer, if they re not happy. Only problem is getting a volunteer to take on the job. First to complain about some else is doing their job nominates them self. Yours Peter Champness On Feb 10, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Simon Holding mailto:shold...@hotmail.comshold...@hotmail.com wrote: My understanding is that on day one of the contest, without warning, the CD announced that the Scorer was only interested in scoring according to Australian National rules, or was not prepared to score the contest. It seems the pilots acceded to this ultimatum, thus raising the spectre of duress. I am curious whether this denial of natural justice is a modern GFA interpretation of that doctrine, or, has it been ever thus in gliding contests? From: mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.netaus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jo Pocklington Sent: Monday, 10 February 2014 7:13 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Cc: 'GGC Members' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Horsham Week 2014 Traditionally, Horsham Week has been an entry level comp with pilots required to nominate 3 flying days in advance to allow sharing of a glider for the 8 days. The idea was to attract beginner-pilots to share a club glider and compete against all levels of pilots, up to international standard. For the record, 2014 Horsham Week was scored to new rules. Local Rules (published Dec 13) included the usual: All scoring days will attract 1000 points. This was rescinded at briefing on day one resulting in 3 devalued days in 15m (882, 979, 612) and Open (707, 893, 600) and 2 in Club (821, 600) and Std (882, 612). A pilot who pre-nominated the subsequently-devalued days was therefore disadvantaged, contrary to the spirit of Horsham Week. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.netAus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change
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Thanks Mike. I agree with a lot of what you say. Non profit clubs do try to pretend to be business. If you know of any for profit organisations still in existence please advise because I will refer all requests for Joy Flights there. No I did not read your article at the link. I might do so now. Yes we are loosing membership. I do not think GFA leadership is to blame. They are responding to pressures imposed by CASA and in some cases have resisted vigorously. I refer to the proposal that our training glider ZEPHYRUS should not be used for training any longer. A clear win for then GFA and common sense. On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 8:24 PM, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: No it isn't. GFA employs people, some clubs employ people, glider and equipment manufacturers try to run at a profit and employ people. Some gliding operations (even in Australia) are privately owned and run for profit. It is a business with customers. Some of the businesses are disguised as non profit clubs. Did you bother to read the article at the link? I see certain parallels to gliding. The only power anyone has in gliding is to sufficiently piss people off so they leave. Arriving at a contest having paid the entry fee, organising time off (maybe buying or hiring a glider and having done the training and practice to be able to fly at a contest - a huge investment) and having been given a set of rules which you are happy enough to live buy, only to have them changed at briefing on the first day, seems to me to be a good way of ensuring that some won't turn up next year. Unfortunately gliding in Australia has been VERY successful at getting people to leave, hence the downsizing of the activity over the last 30 years. Don't worry, there is more to come. The current GFA leadership, to use the term loosely, is bending over backwards to ensure that those of you who get their gliders maintained by the handful of commercial workshops will find that this is more expensive and difficult than in the past, if indeed it is still available to you. The GFA leadership in the airworthiness area is particularly enthusiastic about this. Mike At 06:02 PM 10/02/2014, you wrote: Wrong analogy. Gliding is a volunteer sport. I am not trying to sell a product to anyone. I do not profit personally, except some satisfaction if I introduce someone to Gliding and they enjoy it sufficiently to stay on and take it up. That unfortunately is rare. I have no interest in helping anyone achieve their bucket list. They can look for a commercial operator for that. On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 5:29 PM, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: So you do a deal to buy a car of certain specifications, pay the money and find on the delivery date the diesel you ordered is a petrol and the colour which you specifically chose is not available and the car in front of you is some other colour and if you complain you are told to build your own if you don't like it? There's an interesting thread on r.a.s. at the moment about the California City soaring operation closing down which you might like to read. Also by co-incidence Karl Denninger this morning has a little story about the scuba diving industry in the US. here: http://www.market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=228385 There may be some lessons here. Mike At 02:57 PM 10/02/2014, you wrote: The Horsham Week competition is run by the pilots themselves. They set the rules. I expect that the GFA guidelines are respected. However the pilots can replace the scorer, if they re not happy. Only problem is getting a volunteer to take on the job. First to complain about some else is doing their job nominates them self. Yours Peter Champness On Feb 10, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Simon Holding shold...@hotmail.com wrote: My understanding is that on day one of the contest, without warning, the CD announced that the Scorer was only interested in scoring according to Australian National rules, or was not prepared to score the contest. It seems the pilots acceded to this ultimatum, thus raising the spectre of duress. I am curious whether this denial of natural justice is a modern GFA interpretation of that doctrine, or, has it been ever thus in gliding contests? From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.netaus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jo Pocklington Sent: Monday, 10 February 2014 7:13 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Cc: 'GGC Members' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Horsham Week 2014 Traditionally, Horsham Week has been an entry level comp with pilots required to nominate 3 flying days in advance to allow sharing of a glider for the 8 days. The idea was to attract beginner-pilots to share a club glider and compete against all levels of pilots, up to international standard. For the record
Re: [Aus-soaring] Horsham Week 2014
for a commercial operator for that. On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 5:29 PM, Mike Borgelt mailto:mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: So you do a deal to buy a car of certain specifications, pay the money and find on the delivery date the diesel you ordered is a petrol and the colour which you specifically chose is not available and the car in front of you is some other colour and if you complain you are told to build your own if you don't like it? There's an interesting thread on r.a.s. at the moment about the California City soaring operation closing down which you might like to read. Also by co-incidence Karl Denninger this morning has a little story about the scuba diving industry in the US. here: http://www.market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=228385http://www.market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=228385 There may be some lessons here. Mike At 02:57 PM 10/02/2014, you wrote: The Horsham Week competition is run by the pilots themselves. They set the rules. I expect that the GFA guidelines are respected. However the pilots can replace the scorer, if they re not happy. Only problem is getting a volunteer to take on the job. First to complain about some else is doing their job nominates them self. Yours Peter Champness On Feb 10, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Simon Holding mailto:shold...@hotmail.comshold...@hotmail.com wrote: My understanding is that on day one of the contest, without warning, the CD announced that the Scorer was only interested in scoring according to Australian National rules, or was not prepared to score the contest. It seems the pilots acceded to this ultimatum, thus raising the spectre of duress. I am curious whether this denial of natural justice is a modern GFA interpretation of that doctrine, or, has it been ever thus in gliding contests? From: mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.netaus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jo Pocklington Sent: Monday, 10 February 2014 7:13 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Cc: 'GGC Members' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Horsham Week 2014 Traditionally, Horsham Week has been an entry level comp with pilots required to nominate 3 flying days in advance to allow sharing of a glider for the 8 days. The idea was to attract beginner-pilots to share a club glider and compete against all levels of pilots, up to international standard. For the record, 2014 Horsham Week was scored to new rules. Local Rules (published Dec 13) included the usual: All scoring days will attract 1000 points. This was rescinded at briefing on day one resulting in 3 devalued days in 15m (882, 979, 612) and Open (707, 893, 600) and 2 in Club (821, 600) and Std (882, 612). A pilot who pre-nominated the subsequently-devalued days was therefore disadvantaged, contrary to the spirit of Horsham Week. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.netAus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaringhttp://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.netAus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaringhttp://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: inttel:%2B61-7-4635%205784+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : inttel:%2B61-42835%205784+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.netAus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaringhttp://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.netAus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaringhttp://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : inttel:%2B61-42835%205784+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list mailto:Aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Horsham Week 2014
Some good stories about Horsham Week on the Soaring blog: http://soaring.eu/ Regards Jarek - Original Message - From: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. To:Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Cc:GGC Members Sent:Sun, 9 Feb 2014 17:20:29 +1100 Subject:[Aus-soaring] Horsham Week 2014 Hi, The Horsham Week 2014 competition concluded on Saturday. This was the 48th edition of this event. Six days out of possible eight were flown with some spectacular weather conditions on some days. On Saturday, Craig Vinall won the day in the Open / 18M class with the raw speed of 166.3 km/h over a 500km task. Overall the winners are: - Open / 18M – Craig Vinall - 15M / Standard – Gary Stevenson - Club: Noel Vagg Duncan Robertson More info on the competition website: http://horshamweek.org.au [1] and tasks and results on the Soaring Spot: http://www.soaringspot.com/hsm2014/ [2] Regards Jarek - Email sent using Optus Webmail Links: -- [1] http://horshamweek.org.au [2] http://www.soaringspot.com/hsm2014/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Horsham Week 2014
Traditionally, Horsham Week has been an entry level comp with pilots required to nominate 3 flying days in advance to allow sharing of a glider for the 8 days. The idea was to attract beginner-pilots to share a club glider and compete against all levels of pilots, up to international standard. For the record, 2014 Horsham Week was scored to new rules. Local Rules (published Dec 13) included the usual: All scoring days will attract 1000 points. This was rescinded at briefing on day one resulting in 3 devalued days in 15m (882, 979, 612) and Open (707, 893, 600) and 2 in Club (821, 600) and Std (882, 612). A pilot who pre-nominated the subsequently-devalued days was therefore disadvantaged, contrary to the spirit of Horsham Week. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Horsham Week 2014
Why not score overall placings on % of available points achieved then? On 10 Feb 2014 07:13, Jo Pocklington jopockling...@bigpond.com wrote: Traditionally, Horsham Week has been an entry level comp with pilots required to nominate 3 flying days in advance to allow sharing of a glider for the 8 days. The idea was to attract beginner-pilots to share a club glider and compete against all levels of pilots, up to international standard. For the record, 2014 Horsham Week was scored to new rules. Local Rules (published Dec 13) included the usual: *All* scoring days will attract 1000 points. This was rescinded at briefing on day one resulting in 3 devalued days in 15m (882, 979, 612) and Open (707, 893, 600) and 2 in Club (821, 600) and Std (882, 612). A pilot who pre-nominated the subsequently-devalued days was therefore disadvantaged, contrary to the spirit of Horsham Week. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Horsham Week 2014
At 07:09 AM 10/02/2014, you wrote: Why not score overall placings on % of available points achieved then? That has about the same effect as normalising all the days to 1000 points for the winner. Not necessarily exactly the same though as the non linearities of the bizarre scoring systems used in gliding cause all sorts of anomalies. Mike Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784: int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Horsham Week 2014
My understanding is that on day one of the contest, without warning, the CD announced that the Scorer was only interested in scoring according to Australian National rules, or was not prepared to score the contest. It seems the pilots acceded to this ultimatum, thus raising the spectre of duress. I am curious whether this denial of natural justice is a modern GFA interpretation of that doctrine, or, has it been ever thus in gliding contests? From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jo Pocklington Sent: Monday, 10 February 2014 7:13 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Cc: 'GGC Members' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Horsham Week 2014 Traditionally, Horsham Week has been an entry level comp with pilots required to nominate 3 flying days in advance to allow sharing of a glider for the 8 days. The idea was to attract beginner-pilots to share a club glider and compete against all levels of pilots, up to international standard. For the record, 2014 Horsham Week was scored to new rules. Local Rules (published Dec 13) included the usual: All scoring days will attract 1000 points. This was rescinded at briefing on day one resulting in 3 devalued days in 15m (882, 979, 612) and Open (707, 893, 600) and 2 in Club (821, 600) and Std (882, 612). A pilot who pre-nominated the subsequently-devalued days was therefore disadvantaged, contrary to the spirit of Horsham Week. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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The Horsham Week competition is run by the pilots themselves. They set the rules. I expect that the GFA guidelines are respected. However the pilots can replace the scorer, if they re not happy. Only problem is getting a volunteer to take on the job. First to complain about some else is doing their job nominates them self. Yours Peter Champness On Feb 10, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Simon Holding shold...@hotmail.com wrote: My understanding is that on day one of the contest, without warning, the CD announced that the Scorer was only interested in scoring according to Australian National rules, or was not prepared to score the contest. It seems the pilots acceded to this ultimatum, thus raising the spectre of duress. I am curious whether this denial of natural justice is a modern GFA interpretation of that doctrine, or, has it been ever thus in gliding contests? From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jo Pocklington Sent: Monday, 10 February 2014 7:13 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Cc: 'GGC Members' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Horsham Week 2014 Traditionally, Horsham Week has been an entry level comp with pilots required to nominate 3 flying days in advance to allow sharing of a glider for the 8 days. The idea was to attract beginner-pilots to share a club glider and compete against all levels of pilots, up to international standard. For the record, 2014 Horsham Week was scored to new rules. Local Rules (published Dec 13) included the usual: All scoring days will attract 1000 points. This was rescinded at briefing on day one resulting in 3 devalued days in 15m (882, 979, 612) and Open (707, 893, 600) and 2 in Club (821, 600) and Std (882, 612). A pilot who pre-nominated the subsequently-devalued days was therefore disadvantaged, contrary to the spirit of Horsham Week. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Horsham Week 2014
So you do a deal to buy a car of certain specifications, pay the money and find on the delivery date the diesel you ordered is a petrol and the colour which you specifically chose is not available and the car in front of you is some other colour and if you complain you are told to build your own if you don't like it? There's an interesting thread on r.a.s. at the moment about the California City soaring operation closing down which you might like to read. Also by co-incidence Karl Denninger this morning has a little story about the scuba diving industry in the US. here: http://www.market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=228385 There may be some lessons here. Mike At 02:57 PM 10/02/2014, you wrote: The Horsham Week competition is run by the pilots themselves. They set the rules. I expect that the GFA guidelines are respected. However the pilots can replace the scorer, if they re not happy. Only problem is getting a volunteer to take on the job. First to complain about some else is doing their job nominates them self. Yours Peter Champness On Feb 10, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Simon Holding mailto:shold...@hotmail.comshold...@hotmail.com wrote: My understanding is that on day one of the contest, without warning, the CD announced that the Scorer was only interested in scoring according to Australian National rules, or was not prepared to score the contest. It seems the pilots acceded to this ultimatum, thus raising the spectre of duress. I am curious whether this denial of natural justice is a modern GFA interpretation of that doctrine, or, has it been ever thus in gliding contests? From: mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.netaus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jo Pocklington Sent: Monday, 10 February 2014 7:13 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Cc: 'GGC Members' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Horsham Week 2014 Traditionally, Horsham Week has been an entry level comp with pilots required to nominate 3 flying days in advance to allow sharing of a glider for the 8 days. The idea was to attract beginner-pilots to share a club glider and compete against all levels of pilots, up to international standard. For the record, 2014 Horsham Week was scored to new rules. Local Rules (published Dec 13) included the usual: All scoring days will attract 1000 points. This was rescinded at briefing on day one resulting in 3 devalued days in 15m (882, 979, 612) and Open (707, 893, 600) and 2 in Club (821, 600) and Std (882, 612). A pilot who pre-nominated the subsequently-devalued days was therefore disadvantaged, contrary to the spirit of Horsham Week. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.netAus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaringhttp://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784: int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Horsham Week 2014
Hi, The Horsham Week 2014 competition concluded on Saturday. This was the 48th edition of this event. Six days out of possible eight were flown with some spectacular weather conditions on some days. On Saturday, Craig Vinall won the day in the Open / 18M class with the raw speed of 166.3 km/h over a 500km task. Overall the winners are: - Open / 18M - Craig Vinall - 15M / Standard - Gary Stevenson - Club: Noel Vagg Duncan Robertson More info on the competition website: http://horshamweek.org.au and tasks and results on the Soaring Spot: http://www.soaringspot.com/hsm2014/ Regards Jarek ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
