Re: The Greatest Name the Bayan's 152 as A-H-B (read arabic right-to-left)
5) Saiedi in "Logos and Civilization" points out the
significance of the numberic value of 152. Baha'u'llah signed the
Kitab-i-Iqan and some other Tablets with this number. He points that this
signified "BahA" in Arabic. The numberic value of "B" is 2, "a" is an
accent and does not have a number, "H" is 5, and "A" is 1.Since
Arabic is written from right-to-left, Baha'u'llah signed the Iqan as 152, or
BHA.Saiedi proposes thatthe reason Baha'u'llah chose
tosign His name in its Numeric Value is because the Bab promised that the
Promised One would complete the Bayan, which was left incomplete. The
Bayan was supposed to be 19 chapters with 19 sections, but the Bab only
completed11chapters of 19 sections, so the remaining is 8 chapters
of 19 sections. If you multiply 8X19, you get 152.
It's very interesting. Just one thought. Even
though Arabic words are written from right to left, the numbers are written from
left to right. Does that have an effect on the logic above.
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Re: The Greatest Name the Bayan's 152 as A-H-B (read arabic right-to-left)
Hi Fariborz,
No, the logic is actually based on the fact that Arabic numbers are read left-to-right while Arabic letters are read from right-to-left. So if you tranform the numbers 1-5-2 into Letters you get A-H-B. Since Arabic is read from right-to-left, you read it as BaHA, not AHaB. (Note there is no letter for the first *a* in B*a*ha in Arabic).
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5) Saiedi in "Logos and Civilization" points out the significance of the numberic value of 152. Baha'u'llah signed the Kitab-i-Iqan and some other Tablets with this number. He points that this signified "BahA" in Arabic. The numberic value of "B" is 2, "a" is an accent and does not have a number, "H" is 5, and "A" is 1.Since Arabic is written from right-to-left, Baha'u'llah signed the Iqan as 152, or BHA.Saiedi proposes thatthe reason Baha'u'llah chose tosign His name in its Numeric Value is because the Bab promised that the Promised One would complete the Bayan, which was left incomplete. The Bayan was supposed to be 19 chapters with 19 sections, but the Bab only completed11chapters of 19 sections, so the remaining is 8 chapters of 19 sections. If you multiply 8X19, you get 152.
It's very interesting. Just one thought. Even though Arabic words are written from right to left, the numbers are written from left to right. Does that have an effect on the logic above.
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RE: Re The Greatest Name
What is different about this word Allah'u'abha? Dear Tim, It is the Greatest Name and God is Most Glorious isn't? warmest, Susan The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: The Greatest Name
The use of terms like AllahuAbha was
already prevalent in the western Baha'i community when the Guardian was asked
this question. I expect it was asking which form of the Greatest Name we were
supposed to recite (i.e. AllahuAbha or Ya Bahullh.)
I doubt very seriously if anyone thought of the English equivalent being the
Greatest Name..There was already a mystique surrounding it. Susan
O.K. I understand that. But
none of that addresses my question, which is:
Why did the Guardian ask us to say AllahuAbha
and not translate it into
other languages? Why is it better to
say AllahuAbha instead of
God is Most Glorious?
Tim Nolan
Dearest all
AllahuAbha
Tim
Nolans question is valid. Tim is asking a thought provoking question. I admire
his question. It gives one an opportunity to think and reflect on spiritual significance
of Baha. That is why partly I made a point that in the original Arabic Bible and
the passages in the revelation of John the Word was Bahaullah [and
not Majdullah] for the Glory of God.
Baha has
a power on its own.
In the Tablets
of the Divine Plan the unerring Master says that the Brazilian town Bahia was named by an inspiration of the Holy Spirit!
**Visit ye especially the city of Bahia,
on the eastern shore of Brazil.
Because in the past years this city was christened with the name, BAHIA, there is no doubt that it has been through the
inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
(`Abdu'l-Baha:
Tablets of the Divine Plan, Page: 104)
In other
words the Holy Spirit with all Its implications inspired Bahia
the tri-literal B H A
Some of these
things are a mystery
In fact in
the East they asked the Master why should the Greatest Name not be AllahuAkbar
in this Day but AllahuAbha
And there
is a beautiful Tablet and Explanation in this regard
Remember
even the vibrations of a sound in air nay well have dearest Tim spiritual consequences
Two thousand
years ago the vibrations of Christs Voice were vibrating but we can hear
them
He said
Abba
Mar 14:36 And he said, Abba,
Father, all things are
possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will,
but what thou wilt.
Rom
8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to
fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba,
Father.
Gal
4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit
of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
He said Tabitha
cumi
Mar
5:41 And he took the damsel by the hand, and said unto her,
Talitha cumi;
which is, being interpreted, Damsel, I say unto thee, arise.
He said Eloi
Eloi Lama Sabachthani
Mar 15:34 And at
the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama
sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou
forsaken me?
These have
been kept for all eternity
His Abba
has echoes with the Tablet to the Christians wherein the Supreme Revealer says
The Abba
has come
***The
voice of the Son of Man is calling aloud from the sacred vale: `Here am I, here
am I, O God my God!' ... whilst from the Burning Bush breaketh forth the cry:
`Lo, the Desire of the world is made manifest in His transcendent glory!'
The Father [al-Ab] hath come
That
which ye were promised in the Kingdom
of God is fulfilled.
This is the Word which the Son veiled when He said to those around Him that at
that time they could not bear it... Verily the Spirit of Truth is come to
guide you unto all truth... He is the One Who glorified the Son and exalted
His Cause... The Comforter Whose advent all the scriptures have
promised is now come that He may reveal unto you all knowledge and wisdom.
Seek Him over the entire surface of the earth, haply ye may find Him.
Baha'u'llah,
Pages: 104-105)
We have we
do have mysteriesand some of these mysteries have not been approached with
that sense of mystery
***Its
world-unifying principles these impotent enemies of a steadily-rising Faith
have time and again denounced as fundamentally defective, have pronounced its
all-embracing program as utterly fantastic, and regarded its vision of the
future as chimerical and positively deceitful. The fundamental verities that
constitute its doctrine its foolish ill-wishers have represented as a cloak of
idle dogma, its administrative machinery they have refused to differentiate
from the soul of the Faith itself, and the mysteries it reveres and upholds they have
identified with sheer superstition.
(Shoghi
Effendi: World Order of Baha'u'llah, Page: 73)
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Re: The Greatest Name
World unity is encouraged by the use of Allah'u'Abha - it is easily used by every country, community and individual. This is apart from its mysteries. Mike www.bci.org/brighton-hove/ - Original Message - From: Khazeh Fananapazir To: Baha'i Studies Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 7:44 AM Subject: Re: The Greatest Name The use of terms like AllahuAbha was already prevalent in the western Baha'i community when the Guardian was asked this question. I expect it was asking which form of the Greatest Name we were supposed to recite (i.e. AllahuAbha or Ya Baháulláh.) I doubt very seriously if anyone thought of the English equivalent being the Greatest Name..There was already a mystique surrounding it. Susan O.K. I understand that. But none of that addresses my question, which is: Why did the Guardian ask us to say "AllahuAbha" and not translate it into other languages? Why is it better to say "AllahuAbha" instead of "God is Most Glorious"? Tim Nolan Dearest all AllahuAbha Tim Nolans question is valid. Tim is asking a thought provoking question. I admire his question. It gives one an opportunity to think and reflect on spiritual significance of Baha. That is why partly I made a point that in the original Arabic Bible and the passages in the revelation of John the Word was Bahaullah [and not Majdullah] for the Glory of God. Baha has a power on its own. In the Tablets of the Divine Plan the unerring Master says that the Brazilian town Bahia was named by an inspiration of the Holy Spirit! **Visit ye especially the city of Bahia, on the eastern shore of Brazil. Because in the past years this city was christened with the name, BAHIA, there is no doubt that it has been through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. (`Abdu'l-Baha: Tablets of the Divine Plan, Page: 104) In other words the Holy Spirit with all Its implications inspired Bahia the tri-literal B H A Some of these things are a mystery In fact in the East they asked the Master why should the Greatest Name not be AllahuAkbar in this Day but AllahuAbha And there is a beautiful Tablet and Explanation in this regard Remember even the vibrations of a sound in air nay well have dearest Tim spiritual consequences Two thousand years ago the vibrations of Christs Voice were vibrating but we can hear them He said Abba Mar 14:36 And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt. Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. He said Tabitha cumi Mar 5:41 And he took the damsel by the hand, and said unto her, Talitha cumi; which is, being interpreted, Damsel, I say unto thee, arise. He said Eloi Eloi Lama Sabachthani Mar 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? These have been kept for all eternity His Abba has echoes with the Tablet to the Christians wherein the Supreme Revealer says The Abba has come ***The voice of the Son of Man is calling aloud from the sacred vale: `Here am I, here am I, O God my God!' ... whilst from the Burning Bush breaketh forth the cry: `Lo, the Desire of the world is made manifest in His transcendent glory!' The Father [al-Ab] hath come That which ye were promised in the Kingdom of God is fulfilled. This is the Word which the Son veiled when He said to those around Him that at that time they could not bear it... Verily the Spirit of Truth is come to guide you unto all truth... He is the One Who glorified the Son and exalted His Cause..." "The Comforter Whose advent all the scriptures have promised is now come that He may reveal unto you all knowledge and wisdom. Seek Him over the entire surface of the earth, haply ye may find Him." Baha'u'llah, Pages: 104-105) We have we do have mysteries and some of these mysteries have not been approached with that sense of mystery ***Its world-unifying principles these impotent enemies of a steadily-rising Faith have time and again denounced as fundamentally defective, have pronounced its all-embracing program as utterly fantastic, and regarded its vision of the future as chimerical and positively deceitful. The fundamental
Re: The Greatest Name
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Re: The Greatest Name
Dear Friends,
Thank you all for your comments on this subject. You have cast light into
my mind.
Thanks again,
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RE: The Greatest Name
Dear
Tim,
The
use of terms like Allah'u'abha was already prevalent in the western Baha'i
community when the Guardian was asked this question. I expect it was asking
which form of the Greatest Name we were supposed to recite (i.e. Allah'u'abha or
Ya Baha'u'laha.) I doubt very seriously if anyone thought of the English
equivalent being the Greatest Name. Keep in mind that the Greatest Name was the
secret which Ibrahim Khayrullah reserved until the very end of his classes.
There was already a mystique surrounding it.
warmest, Susan
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Hi Susan,
I appreciate your reply.
there is a letter written on behalf of the Guardian which states that
Allah'u'Abha
is to be said in the Long Obligatory Prayer.
O.K. but why? Of course there is always a mystical aspect of
religion,
which is difficult to put in words, and which may remain beyond our
understanding
in this world. But very often Shoghi Effendi had specific reasons
for what he decided.
Do you know of anything in the Writings that explains why
Allah'u'abha
has special significance, as contrasted with "God is Most Glorious
"?
Thanks,
Tim Nolan
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Re: The Greatest Name
Dear Susan,
The use of terms like Allah'u'abha was already prevalent in the western Baha'i community when the Guardian was asked this question. I expect it was asking which form of the Greatest Name we were supposed to recite (i.e. Allah'u'abha or Ya Baha'u'laha.) I doubt very seriously if anyone thought of the English equivalent being the Greatest Name. Keep in mind that the Greatest Name was the secret which Ibrahim Khayrullah reserved until the very end of his classes. There was already a mystique surrounding it.
O.K. I understand that. But none of that addresses my question, which is:
Why did the Guardian ask us to say "Allah'u'abha" and not translate it into
other languages? Why is it better to say "Allah'u'abha" instead of
"God is Most Glorious"?
Tim Nolan
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RE: The Greatest Name
Title: Message
One
possible explanations is: that is exactly the Word revealed to His Manifestation
in its revealed language. Next Manifestation might use "God is Most Glorious"
insteadif He is chosen from among Yankees!
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My question is why? Why is "Allah'u'abha"
more significant or more powerful than "God is Most Glorious"?
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Re The Greatest Name
Hi Susan,
So I'd throw the question back at you. Why should he have told
us to say it in English?
Well, he translated the Hidden Words, Gleanings, and many prayers
into English. He never insisted that all Baha'is must recite the Writings
only in the original languages. What is different about this word "Allah'u'abha"?
Since the Master, the Guardian and the House have all told
us to say "Allah'u'abha", there must be some reason for this.
What is that reason? That's what I want to know.
Thanks,
Tim Nolan
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Re: The Greatest Name
I am guessing, of course. I believe, however
that the reason we repeat "Allah'u'Abha" in Arabic rather than in our native
tongue, is because Shoghi Effendi, in his translation and codification of the
Kitab-i-Agdas, gives us noalternative in the matter.
Richard.
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Subject: The Greatest Name
I would like to understand why Baha'is are advised to use the term
"Allah'u'abha" when saying the Greatest name. What is the
reason for using this Arabic
phrase instead of translating it into one's own language?
For example, Baha'is are supposed to say "Allah'u'abha" 95 times a
day.
What is the difference between saying Allah'u'abha 95 times,
and
saying "God is Most Glorious" 95 times?
I would appreciateyour insights about this.
Thanks,
Tim Nolan
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Re: The Greatest Name
Could it be the same reason why we refer to Baha'u'llah
instead of "the Glory of God"?
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I would like to understand why Baha'is are advised to use the term
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reason for using this Arabic
phrase instead of translating it into one's own language?
For example, Baha'is are supposed to say "Allah'u'abha" 95 times a
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What is the difference between saying Allah'u'abha 95 times,
and
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Thanks,
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Re: The Greatest Name
Tim, At 09:21 PM 9/24/2005, you wrote: I would appreciate your insights about this. Just off the top of my head, I would surmise that 'Allah'u'Abha, Ya 'Allah'u'l-Mustaghath, and some other invocations function as mantras (i.e., adhkar). For instance, one would not normally translate aum or hu. The sounds themselves are regarded as having a special significance and power. Via moderna, Mark A. Foster . http://markfoster.net ... [a] word is ... a universal. - William of Ockham Structurization Tech: http://tech.structurization.com The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
