[Baraya_Sunda] Re: Haturan baraya sunda

2006-10-12 Terurut Topik Rahman
Haturan Kang Tatan,

Wilujeng sumping sarneg wilujeng tepang di milis BS.

Leuh geuning make macul di Batawi... aya keneh sawah kitu he he he..
Prung ah... ngadongeng! Diantos.

baktos,

Rahman


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 Wilujeng siang baraya sunda dimana wae ayana
 simkuring wasta tatan, anggota enggal di milis baraya sunda
 ari padumukan mah di bandung mun ari macul di batawi...
 
 baktos
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[Baraya_Sunda] Re: Fwd: Siapa Teroris: Rezim Bush atau Al Qaedah?

2006-10-12 Terurut Topik Rahman
--- In Baraya_Sunda@yahoogroups.com, mh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sapuk tah Kang. Netral jeung objektif tah Kang pamadegan teh.
Hehehe. Aya
 teu MEDIA INTERNASIONAL nu daek migunakeun sarta mopulerkeun istilah
 FUNDAMENTALIS KRISTEN. No katoong ku kuring salila ieu, media teh karek
 wani mupolerkeun FUNDAMENTALIS ISLAM.
 

Kang MH,

Aya Kang. Istilah eta (fundamentalis Kristen) remen dipake di NL ge.
Da memang kitu, tipa agama naon bae ge pasti boga kelompok anu sok
ngarasa pangbenerna.

Sababaraha waktu ka tukang, Ceu Madonna ngayakeun konser di NL. Salah
sahiji act na teh, Teh MAdonna 'disalib'. Pan loba fundamentalis anu
peupeuleukeuk... Malah aya nu menta eta konser dilarang. Haar... teu
puguh. Untung NL mah nagara sekuler. Euweuh tidituna larang2an! Sensor
mah bagean republik cau he he he

Ngan aya alusna... eta act teh jadi ngahirupkeun diskusi di NL. Tah,
lebah dinya... umat Islam mah loyo na teh. Ana nu teu panuju? Habek
diteunggeulan. Naon susah na mun ngomong? Sedih mikiranana? :((

baktos,

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[Baraya_Sunda] Re: Fw: jilbab lagi

2006-10-12 Terurut Topik Rahman

 
 Tah kitu ngacaprukna Kang Kumi. Sajarah engke nu nyatet naha 
 phenomena jilbab teh ukur histeria atawa memang jadi kabiasaan dina 
 cara make awewe urang Indonesia ... 
 

Kang,

Ngeunaan masalah papakean tea. Enya... dunya teh ayeuna boga
kacondongan uniform. Teuing ku naon... malah lain dina pakean wungkul.
Oge urusan dahareun jadi uniform.

Anu jelas, ceuk kuring ieu mah. Aya hiji kelompok boga mentalitas
imperialistis, kelompok seje na boga mental daek dijajah.

Kieu. Tengetan we, kadaharan sabangsaning fastfood, inuman Mekah Cola
jlte. Pan ti ujung dunya mana wae oge aya.  Konsumen? Euweuh nu
kritis... pan dianggap gaya hirup nu kitu teh! Akibatna... kadaharan
tradisional urang ge palid kabawa caah! Lebar

Oge dina urusan papakean. Aya dua aliran imperialistis. Lewat kultur
pop... Baju (hemd), calana... jlte pan eta teh impor deui ti Kulon.
Anu teu kaharti mah... di RI sok loba jelema make stelan jas jeung
dasi LEUUURRR!!! Teu cocog atuh iklim na ge! Nu aneh... eta teh
dilegleg kitu bae deuih! Malah jadi pakean representatif bisnis
sagala! Ceuk kuring mah ieu ge sarua we jeung pakean seragam jaman MAO
di RRC! :((

Anu sejen na. Nu keur haneut moyan didiskusikeun. Perkara pakean Arab.
Tah... imperialistis agama nu ieu mah. Dedetkeun we sina make papakean
Arab kabeh. Mun teu daek? ASup naraka! :(((

Iraha bangsa urang rek teger make tradisi sorangan?

baktos,

Rahman




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[Baraya_Sunda] Re: Sunat, Ajaran Agama jeung Budaya ?

2006-10-12 Terurut Topik waluya56
--- In Baraya_Sunda@yahoogroups.com, Rahman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Nobel Fisika 2006
 Penjelasan Kelahiran Alam Semesta
 
 Terry Mart

Teori Big Bang, teori pangdipikaresepna ku kaum agamawan, sabab dina 
teori ieu, faktor Pangeran bisa diasupkeun. Siga patarosan ieu, Saha 
nu nyiptakeun Big-Bang? tantuna oge jawabna Pangeran nu Maha 
Kawasa ...

Tapi saintist terus-terusan nyieun teori bari satekah polah neangan 
bukti keur ngadukung teorina. Cilaka aya deui teori, nu kurang leuwih 
kieu, alam semesta teh tina barang hideung nu leutik nu massana gede 
pisan-- Bitu (bigbang)-- tumuwuh siga balon(mengembang)--
mkasimum--kempes deui--jadi leutik pisan, barang hideung, massana 
gede pisan -- bitu deui ...jst. (Big-bang-- mengembang-mengkerut--
benda Hitam--Bigbang --jst).

Karlina Supelli nu urang Sukabumi, kungsi nulis artikel dina Kompas, 
lamun teu salah mah judulna teh Dimana Peran Tuhan?. Eusina mah 
kurang leuwih nerangkeun soal kosmologi/bigbang jeung soal teori anu 
terus-terusan robah/dinamis. Ieu sabenerna teu dipikahayang ku 
agamawan, keur maranehna cukup tepi ka Big bang we  .


Baktos,
WALUYA






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Re: [Baraya_Sunda] Re: Fwd: Siapa Teroris: Rezim Bush atau Al Qaedah?

2006-10-12 Terurut Topik mh


--- Rahman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In Baraya_Sunda@yahoogroups.com, mh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sababaraha waktu ka tukang, Ceu Madonna ngayakeun konser di NL. Salah
 sahiji act na teh, Teh MAdonna 'disalib'. Pan loba fundamentalis anu
 peupeuleukeuk... Malah aya nu menta eta konser dilarang. Haar... teu
 puguh. Untung NL mah nagara sekuler. Euweuh tidituna larang2an! Sensor
 mah bagean republik cau he he he
 
 Ngan aya alusna... eta act teh jadi ngahirupkeun diskusi di NL. Tah,
 lebah dinya... umat Islam mah loyo na teh. Ana nu teu panuju? Habek
 diteunggeulan. Naon susah na mun ngomong? Sedih mikiranana? :((

Kunaon kira-kirana, model diplomasi, diskusi jeung sajabana di urang
kurang dilakonan nya. Moal kitu, kulantaran salila ieu metoda nu dipake
pikeun da'wah teh lolobana ngan saarah, ti ustad ka santri. Upama inget ka
jaman di lembur, enya asana upama ngabahas perkara agama rereana mah apan
model tableg, pidadto jeung sajabana. Kitu deui kaayaan di imah, apan
lolobana mah saarah oge komunikasi teh, ti kolot ka budak.  Boa-boa,
kulantaran kitu, urang jadi teu biasa diskusi. Nu antukna, teu biasa beda
pamadegan. Tapi teuing ketang, kudu ditoong deui leuwih jero meureun.

salam,
mh


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[Baraya_Sunda] Re: Fwd: Siapa Teroris: Rezim Bush atau Al Qaedah?

2006-10-12 Terurut Topik Rahman

 lolobana mah saarah oge komunikasi teh, ti kolot ka budak.  Boa-boa,
 kulantaran kitu, urang jadi teu biasa diskusi. Nu antukna, teu biasa
beda
 pamadegan. Tapi teuing ketang, kudu ditoong deui leuwih jero meureun.

Kang,

Sigana mah enya kitu pisan. Model komunikasi di urang top down. Anu
dihandap (budak, pagawe, umat, rahayat) teu dibere lolongkrang jang
ngaluarkeun ideu, uneg2, saran jlte. Antukna kapendet kabeh.

Model2 pangajaran tradisional mah geus puguh kitu. Anu dipikahanjakal
teh oge model2 sakola moderen ge teu beda. Malah di pendidikan luhur
oge bet sarua. Kabeneran kuring mah bisa ngabandingkeun 3 universita
da pernah kaalaman (dua di RI, hiji di NL). Jauh ka mela melu mun
sistem RI dibandingkeun jeng NL. Komunikasi anatara dosen jeung
mahasiswa leuwih dinamis di NL mah. Tangtu we, kumaha jelemana. Tapi
sacara umum, leuwih muka!

Tah... milis ieu teh mudah2an we jadi jalan, sanajan leutik oge...
sangkan urang bisa diajar diskusi. Pentungan ulah dipake... teu kaci
di dieu mah. Mun teu panuju? Ngomong we nepi ka ngabudah he he he...

baktos,

Rahman




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[Baraya_Sunda] Jujur!

2006-10-12 Terurut Topik Rahman
Marco Parra-Martinez (23)urang Belgia, balanja di McDrive. Dina
kantong kadaharan pesenanana aya duit lobana 15.000 euro.

Mc Drive teu kahaja ngasupkeun eta amplop kana pesenanan. Eta teh
hasil omzet restoran sababraha poe kamari.

Marco mimitana mah cangcaya, pan eta duit teh gede. Mun dipimilik ge
moal kanyahoan. Ngan... kulantaran di imah ku indung bapana sok
dipapagahan sing JUJUR. Manehna balik ka eta restoran MULANGKEUN duit.

Mc Donald...baris mere hadiah nu alus, cenah!


Picontoeun keur bangsa urang? Nyolong ge geus jad norma apan! :((

baktos,

Rahman





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Re: [Baraya_Sunda] Re: Fwd: Siapa Teroris: Rezim Bush atau Al Qaedah?

2006-10-12 Terurut Topik mh


--- Rahman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  lolobana mah saarah oge komunikasi teh, ti kolot ka budak.  Boa-boa,
  kulantaran kitu, urang jadi teu biasa diskusi. Nu antukna, teu biasa
  beda pamadegan. Tapi teuing ketang, kudu ditoong deui leuwih jero 
  meureun.
 
 Kang,
 
 Sigana mah enya kitu pisan. Model komunikasi di urang top down. Anu
 dihandap (budak, pagawe, umat, rahayat) teu dibere lolongkrang jang
 ngaluarkeun ideu, uneg2, saran jlte. Antukna kapendet kabeh.
 
 Model2 pangajaran tradisional mah geus puguh kitu. Anu dipikahanjakal
 teh oge model2 sakola moderen ge teu beda. Malah di pendidikan luhur
 oge bet sarua. Kabeneran kuring mah bisa ngabandingkeun 3 universita
 da pernah kaalaman (dua di RI, hiji di NL). Jauh ka mela melu mun
 sistem RI dibandingkeun jeng NL. Komunikasi anatara dosen jeung
 mahasiswa leuwih dinamis di NL mah. Tangtu we, kumaha jelemana. Tapi
 sacara umum, leuwih muka!

Ieu mah ceuk beja, teuing bener heunteuna mah. Dosen di urang cenah nu
generasi awal mah, manehna teh didikan Walanda. Ngan nu jiga Walanda na
teh, cenah karek dina atributna. Papakean necis, make dudukuy laken, teu
poho make iteuk. Lah pokona mah gagah we cenah. Hanjakalna teh ari palebah
komunikasi mah ngamenak cenah. Boa-boa Walanda jaman baheula meureun
ngamenak oge tah. Cing pangdongengkeun, kumaha hubungan juragan jeung
buruh di Walanda Kang?

 Tah... milis ieu teh mudah2an we jadi jalan, sanajan leutik oge...
 sangkan urang bisa diajar diskusi. Pentungan ulah dipake... teu kaci
 di dieu mah. Mun teu panuju? Ngomong we nepi ka ngabudah he he he...

Enya sapuk pisan tah. Kuring oge noong fasilitas milis teh, utamana keur
babagi ideu, jeung ngarah biasa diskusi. Meureun mun geus biasa diskusi
mah, dimana manggih batur nu pamadeganana lain jeung urang, moal pati
kalengger teuing nyanghareupanana. hehehe.

salam,
mh


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Re: [Baraya_Sunda] Jujur!

2006-10-12 Terurut Topik Aasep Tea
Saluyu Kang... jujur laku hade lampah ceuk kolot baheula mah eta teh 
kautamaan hirup suarna mah :).
Malahan mah abdi kantos maos bukuna Kang Larry King (raja lumpat ) anu 
judulna teh The art of speaking saurna kunci kasuksesan anjeuna dugika 
ayeuna tiasa janten pembicara terkenal di CeuNN saurna mah KEJUJURAN... tah 
anjeuna nyaritakeun dina eta buku pas anjeuna pertama kali damel di radio 
janten penyiar... anjeuna pas mayunan mic kalahka geumpeur jeung teu tiasa 
nyarios nanaon ... kumargi stress meureun ceunah mah... tah kumargi lami 
pisan sepi teu aya sakecap ti biwir si Kang Larry... Bos na langsung ngamuk 
... nanaonan maneh Larry ... aing mah teu nitah maneh cicing buru-2 
ngomong siah bisi di eleketek ku bedog siah ... ceuk si bos na teh bari 
bendu... tah tidinya si Kang Larry langsung mulai ngucapkeun kata pertamana 
... anu eusina kirang langkung kieu... aduh punten yeuh ... tadi teh teu aya 
sora nanaon salami ieu teh kumargi abdi teh geumpeur pisan ... kumargi 
nembean nyanghareupan ieu mic saurna teh... tah malahan pas nyarita jujur 
eta ceunah mah para pendengar radio teh malahan respect ka si Kang Larry 
malahan kalahka sareuri hehehe.

Tidinya Kang Larry King salalu ngutamakeun kajujuran dina satiap kesempetan 
nga wawancara tamu-2 dina acara anjeuna :). Saurna mah kajujuran teh the key 
to his success :).

Salam,
Asep


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Subject: [Baraya_Sunda] Jujur!


 Marco Parra-Martinez (23)urang Belgia, balanja di McDrive. Dina
 kantong kadaharan pesenanana aya duit lobana 15.000 euro.

 Mc Drive teu kahaja ngasupkeun eta amplop kana pesenanan. Eta teh
 hasil omzet restoran sababraha poe kamari.

 Marco mimitana mah cangcaya, pan eta duit teh gede. Mun dipimilik ge
 moal kanyahoan. Ngan... kulantaran di imah ku indung bapana sok
 dipapagahan sing JUJUR. Manehna balik ka eta restoran MULANGKEUN duit.

 Mc Donald...baris mere hadiah nu alus, cenah!


 Picontoeun keur bangsa urang? Nyolong ge geus jad norma apan! :((

 baktos,

 Rahman





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[Baraya_Sunda] Birthday Reminder

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[Baraya_Sunda] Milari Lembaga Wakaf/Zakat

2006-10-12 Terurut Topik Maman Gantra
Assalamualaikum Wr.Wb.,
   
  Para wargi sadaya,
  Sawatara taun kapengker sim kuring kaamanatan ku hiji jalmi: Tanah kirang 
langkung 1.000 m2, di Cipeundeuy, Subang, supados dimangpaatkeun kangge 
kamaslahatan jalma loba. Naha janten masigit, madrasah, atanapi naon bae. 
“Kumaha Bapa bae eta mah. Bade diical ge mangga. Nu penting janten mangpaat,” 
saur anjeunna.
  Satadina, kalayan widi nu ngaamanatan, eta lahan ku sim kuring bade didamel 
pasantren/pusat pengembangan masyarakat. Nu wangunannana basajan bae, mung 
mangrupi aula – dirempegan ku rohangan pabukon sareng “kantor”. Ngarah mirah 
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[Baraya_Sunda] Re: Fwd: Siapa Teroris: Rezim Bush atau Al Qaedah?

2006-10-12 Terurut Topik waluya56
--- In Baraya_Sunda@yahoogroups.com, mh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ieu mah ceuk beja, teuing bener heunteuna mah. Dosen di urang cenah 
nu
 generasi awal mah, manehna teh didikan Walanda. Ngan nu jiga Walanda 
na
 teh, cenah karek dina atributna. Papakean necis, make dudukuy laken, 
teu
 poho make iteuk. Lah pokona mah gagah we cenah. Hanjakalna teh ari 
palebah
 komunikasi mah ngamenak cenah. Boa-boa Walanda jaman baheula meureun
 ngamenak oge tah. Cing pangdongengkeun, kumaha hubungan juragan jeung
 buruh di Walanda Kang?

Sanes sayong ieu mah, mayunan kang RH, ngan MH ari dosen bangsa urang 
jaman baheula ngamenak mah, nya logis, da memang menak. Da baheula mah 
saha nu bisa sakola luhur, salian ti menak mah?

Kuring mah nyangka, Walanda di nagarana jeung walanda nu cicing di 
Hindia Walanda (indonesia), budayana beda (tingali posting kuring soal 
Kabudayaan Indis). Kang RH oge pan kantos posting, soal kumaha 
frustasina walanda nu geus biasa di Indonesia ngamenak, pas 
kalemburna mendakan suasana nu beda pisan.

Kuring oge nyangka (sugan we dibenerkeun ku kang RH ...hehehe) 
masyarakat Walanda, masyarakat egaliter jeung kabebasan mikir geus aya 
di masyarakatna. Ieu katingali ku hasil didikanana ka para Mahasiswa 
pribumi nu sarakola di Walanda. Urang pribumi didikan sinyo-sinyo 
walanda asli ieu, nu mamawa ideologi jeung ide kamerdakaan ka 
Lemburna. Bung Hatta teh pan tamatan nagri Walanda, kitu deui para 
perintis kamerdakaan nu sanesna. Bung Karno, sanajan sakolana didieu, 
tapi pan guru jeung dosenna mah urang Walanda. Dosen-dosen Walanda di 
THS (ITB ayeuna) teu ngabeda-bedakeun mahasiswana, sanajan eta 
mahasiswa boga ide ngusir maranehna ti Indonesia 

Suryadi Suryaningrat (Ki Hajar Dewantara) dibuang ka walanda. Di 
walandana malah jadi wah poho deui, nu jelas anjeunna didituna 
bebas merdeka, beuki anteb kana perjuanganana supaya Hindia Walanda 
jadi merdeka. Para mahasiswa Indonesia oge, malah aya nu ngiluan 
kongres Komitern (komunis Internasional) nu mimiti di hiji kota di 
Eropa. Mahasiswa ieu nu akhirna mamawa ideologi komunis ka Indonesia 
(Muso, Tan Malaka jst).

Tapi walanda nu cicing diurang, pangpangna nu jadi birokrat, jelas 
warga nagara kelas hiji. Kolot urang jaman baheula pan nyebatna 
oge Tuan .

Baktos,
WALUYA








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RE: [Baraya_Sunda] Re: Haturan baraya sunda

2006-10-12 Terurut Topik Endang Tatan
Hatur nuhun kang  kana panampiannana.
Muhun abdi ari padumukan mah di bandung, unggal senen subuh tos tuturubun ka 
batawikeun, da maculna ayeuna mah di batawi di PT.SUCOFINDO..jumaah sonten 
tos ka bandungkeun deui, kapungkur mah istilahna teh PJKA, pulang jum'at 
kembali ahad, ari ayeuna mah karena tos aya Tol Purbaleunyi , ka bandung teh 
mung 2 jam, nya senen subuh nembe angkat
 
Hatur nuhun kang Rahman kana panampiannana..
 
baktos
tatan
 

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To: Baraya_Sunda@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Baraya_Sunda] Re: Haturan baraya sunda



Haturan Kang Tatan,

Wilujeng sumping sarneg wilujeng tepang di milis BS.

Leuh geuning make macul di Batawi... aya keneh sawah kitu he he he..
Prung ah... ngadongeng! Diantos.

baktos,

Rahman

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Endang Tatan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Wilujeng siang baraya sunda dimana wae ayana
 simkuring wasta tatan, anggota enggal di milis baraya sunda
 ari padumukan mah di bandung mun ari macul di batawi...
 
 baktos
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Re: [Baraya_Sunda] Re: Fw: jilbab lagi

2006-10-12 Terurut Topik kumincir
Heheh... balik deui ka nu kamari...

Ari raresepeun, rek kumaha atuh? Papakean Arab? Kuring sapuk kana bodona
urang mun ukur nunutur cara pakean arab. Contona make baju bodas terusan,
kafiyeh, atawa sabangsana. Tapi, buktina, kalolobaan di urang ge pan teu
marake nu karitu, da malikir oge geuning... Sok we tingal di pasantren2, pan
lolobana mah make sarung, padahal sarung mah lain budaya Arab.

Teger make tradisi sorangan... Pamugi kersa nuduhkeun, mana bae tradisi
sorangan anu sakuduna dipake ku urang...

On 12/10/06, Rahman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Anu sejen na. Nu keur haneut moyan didiskusikeun. Perkara pakean Arab.
 Tah... imperialistis agama nu ieu mah. Dedetkeun we sina make papakean
 Arab kabeh. Mun teu daek? ASup naraka! :(((

 Iraha bangsa urang rek teger make tradisi sorangan?



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Re: [Baraya_Sunda] Re: Fw: jilbab lagi

2006-10-12 Terurut Topik kumincir
mangga, urang sami2 saksian. Naha eta pola papakean teh ukur histeria atawa
reureuwasan uusuman nu laas ku mangsa, atawa memang mangrupa larapan tina
kapatuhan kana parentah agama (luyu jeung kayakinanana sewang2an).

On 12/10/06, waluya56 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Tah kitu ngacaprukna Kang Kumi. Sajarah engke nu nyatet naha
 phenomena jilbab teh ukur histeria atawa memang jadi kabiasaan dina
 cara make awewe urang Indonesia ...



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[Baraya_Sunda] Re: Ajaran Agama jeung Budaya ?

2006-10-12 Terurut Topik Rahman
Jadikan Agama sebagai Inspirasi Kreatif

Jakarta, Kompas - Agama bisa menjadi penghambat rasionalitas dan
mendorong kemunduran peradaban, tetapi sebaliknya juga bisa
menumbuhkan kreativitas, inovasi, dan pembaruan. Oleh karena itu,
merupakan tantangan bagi umat beragama untuk menggunakan keberagamaan
sebagai sumber pembaruan dan kemajuan peradaban.

Ajakan untuk menggali inspirasi kreatif dalam beragama muncul dalam
dialog agama dan budaya Majelis Reboan di Jakarta, Rabu (11/10). Hadir
sebagai pembicara staf pengajar Departemen Falsafah dan Agama,
Universitas Paramadina, Luthfi Assyaukanie, dan staf pengajar Sekolah
Tinggi Theologia Jakarta, Ioanes Rakhmat.

Menurut Luthfi, model peradaban Islam terjadi pada abad ke-3 hingga
abad ke-10 Hijriah ketika nalar kreatif dan pengembangan pemikiran
berkembang pesat dalam dunia Islam. Pada masa itu muncul
pemikir-pemikir besar Islam.

Salah satunya adalah Ibn Rushd yang tidak hanya berpengaruh bagi dunia
Islam, tetapi juga memengaruhi pemikiran di Eropa. Karya Ibn Rushd
tentang dua sumber kebenaran, agama dan falsafah, memengaruhi dunia
akademisi di Eropa yang sebelumnya dikontrol oleh gereja.

Akal dan wahyu mempunyai kedudukan yang sejajar. Argumen-argumen Ibn
Rushd ini dikembangkan oleh akademisi Eropa, pada masa itu, yang mau
bersikap independen terhadap gereja, kata Lufhfi.

Ioanes mengakui adanya pengaruh pemikir Islam terhadap peradaban
Kristen. Namun, menurut Ioanes, pemikir-pemikir besar selalu menembus
ke mana-mana. Pemikir-pemikir Islam memengaruhi pemikiran Kristen,
demikian juga sebaiknya. Kekristenan, ungkap Ioanes, juga sangat
dipengaruhi pemikiran Yunani.

Dalam sejarah Kristen, agama pernah bersikap antipati terhadap nalar.
Pemikiran-pemikiran baru, yang kemudian terbukti benar, ditolak oleh
gereja. Menurut Ioanes, gerakan konservatif dan fundamentalis yang
menginginkan kembali kepada kejayaan masa lalu muncul baik dalam
masyarakat Kristen maupun penganut agama yang lain.

Ioanes mengajak agar kaum beragama tidak terjebak pada kerinduan untuk
kembali ke masa lalu, tetapi berorientasi ke depan. Nalar akan
menjadi panduan utama dalam gerak maju ke depan, ujarnya. (wis) 




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[Baraya_Sunda] Re: Fwd: Siapa Teroris: Rezim Bush atau Al Qaedah?

2006-10-12 Terurut Topik Rahman

 komunikasi mah ngamenak cenah. Boa-boa Walanda jaman baheula meureun
 ngamenak oge tah. Cing pangdongengkeun, kumaha hubungan juragan jeung
 buruh di Walanda Kang?
 

Kang MH,

Bener ceuk Kang Wly, anu meunang sakola jaman Walanda mah apan anak
menak wungkul. Jadi pantes mun kalakuannana ngamenak oge.

Budaya NL mah enya egaliter pisan. Malah kuring ge sok milu kaget...
guru2 sakola atawa dosen sok disebut ngaran hareup ku murid2 na. Oge
ka bapa atawa ka indung sok loba oge budak anu nyebut ngaran. Lain teu
sopan.. da memang kitu adat na.

Dina hubungan pagawean oge teu beda! Tong nyoba2 direktur boga
kalakuan nulakcangkeng dina irung, akibatna bisa gede.

Urang NL kaitung pinter waktu ngawasa Nusantara. Maranehna make
infrastruktur kakawasaan lokal anu resep disanjung2. Cara na teh mani
basajan pisan, para pangagung kolonial (asisten-residen, residen,
jeung gubernur jendral) sina make pakean anu agreng sangkan
dipikaserab! Malah mah... simbol payung ge dipake! Bangsa urang mah
sok seraban lin? Buktina? Dina urusan papakean oge masih keneh aya
nepi ka kiwari mayeng lin? he he he...

Goreng na tina sistem egaliter NL teh, hese pisan mucunghul siga dina
budaya Amerika. Aya istilah kieu dina basa NL: tong aneh2 boga
kalakuan teh, kalakuan biasa ge pan geus aneh. Hartina, urang NL teu
meunang nonjolkeun maneh! Kusabab kitu loba urang NL anu palalinter
hijrah ka luar, kusabab budaya na kurang mere lolongkrang sangkan bisa
nyongcolang sorangan. Meunang nyongcolang eta oge, tapi kudu babarengan!!!

Eta Kang MH, ari urang Malaya kumaha sikepna? 

baktos,

Rahman




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[Baraya_Sunda] Re: Ajaran Agama jeung Budaya ?

2006-10-12 Terurut Topik Rahman
 Kehidupan Mamalia Dipengaruhi Posisi Orbit Bumi


JAKARTA, KAMIS--Berkembang dan punahnya spesies mamalia mungkin
dipengaruhi perubahan posisi Bumi yang terjadi secara berkala selama
mengelilingi Matahari. Bukti fosil mamalia yang terekam selama jutaan
tahun menunjukkan, naik turunnya kehidupan mamalia bersesuaian dengan
variasi orbit yang berubah-ubah antara lingkaran dan elips.

Dalam siklus astronomi yang dikenal sebagai osilasi Milankovich,
bentuk orbit Bumi mendekati lingkaran sempurna setiap 2,5 juta tahun.
Selain itu, derajat kemiringan sumbu Bumi terhadap pusat medan
magnetiknya juga mengalami puncak pergeseran setiap satu juta tahun.
Kedua siklus, yang normalnya berputar setiap 20 ribu hingga 40 ribu
tahun sekali, menyebabkan perubahan iklim menjadi lebih dingin dan
meluasnya es di kutub.   

Musim panas menjadi pendek sehingga daerah es di kutub dan belahan
utara Bumi meluas. Hal ini mempengaruhi perubahan iklim global menjadi
lebih dingin dan pola curah hujannya, kata Jan A. van Dam, seorang
peneliti dari Universitas Utrecht Belanda yang melaporkan hasil
penelitiannya dalam jurnal Nature edisi 12 Oktober.

Dalam penelitian tersebut, van Dam dan koleganya mengumpulkan fosil
gigi hewan pengerat yang pernah hidup dalam priode 22 juta tahun.
Fosil-fosil tersebut digali dari endapan danau dan perairan di
Spanyol. Mereka kemudian membandingkan data-data yang diperoleh dengan
hasil penelitian fosil 132 spesies hewan pengerat yang telah
dipublikasikan.

Kami sengaja memilih hewan pengerat yang termasuk mamalia kecil
karena fosilmya jauh lebih banyak daripada mamalia besar, ujar van
Dam. Ia juga memilih Spanyol karena lapisan sedimennya yang mengandung
fosil tergolong lengkap dan sudah banyak penelitian yang dilakukan di
sana.

Hasil penelitian menunjukkan bahwa punahnya spesies-spesies hewan
pengerat ini tidak terjadi secara acak, namun bersesuaian dengan
siklus astronomi Bumi. Pola kepunahan tersebut mungkin dapat
menjelaskan mengapa mamalia rata-rata bertahan hidup dalam 2,5 juta
tahun saja.

Kami yakin mamalia yang lebih besar juga terpengaruh karena periode
kehidupannya juga tidak terlalu jauh berbeda dengan hewan pengerat
(yang berkisar 2,5 juta tahun), papar van Dam. Perubahan ini tidak
selmanaya merugikan, tapi juga bisa menjadi kesempatan hidup bagi
spesies mamalia yang sanggup bertahan menghadapi lingkungan yang keras.


Sumber: LiveScience.com
Penulis: Wah




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Re: [Baraya_Sunda] Birthday Reminder

2006-10-12 Terurut Topik Hilda Rumambi
Selamat nya abdi ngucapkeun ka Baraya Sunda, lamun budak leutik teh geus 
tiasa leumpang hehe...
Maju terus nya.., artikel jeung diskusina teh anget pisan, abdi resep macana 
biarpun saya jarang ikut diskusi, soalna era euy vocab basa sundana saeutik 
pisan teu jiga nu sanes..abdi tiasa belajar basa sunda deui ti milis ieu, sunda 
gaul sampe sunda tekno and filsuf sadayana aya didieu...hebatlah Baraya Sunda 
teh up to date pisan!! :)

ti sintuwu maroso-poso
hilda

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  Subject: [Baraya_Sunda] Birthday Reminder


Reminder from:   Baraya_Sunda's Calendar 
Title:   Dua taun milis Baraya Sunda 
Date:   Friday October 13, 2006 
Time:   12:00 pm - 1:00 pm  
Repeats:   This event does not repeat. 
Location:   Di mana2 di sakuliah dunya 
Description:   Friday 13  Wow

Baraya saalam maya, poe ieu Juma'ah tanggal 13 Oktober 2005 milis urang 
geus nincak dua taun umurna. Salila dua taun gunemcatur di ieu rohangan teh 
mudah2an we aya mangpaatna keur urang balarea. Lamun aya letah nu tisoledat ti 
saha bae oge; sing jembar pangampura bae. Hayu urang nancebkeun sikep Silih 
Ajenan.

Baktos,

Rahman
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[Baraya_Sunda] Re: Jujur!

2006-10-12 Terurut Topik borrococoque
Jadi inget carita babaturan sim kuring  nu jadi guru SD.
manehna kungsi nalungtik kurikulum SD tiap agama di nagara urang.
Hasilna cenah nu pangalusna mah kurikulum urang Katolik.

Kurikulum kalotik mah langsung ka intina hakekat akidah manehna 
(katolik), jeung kelas 6 SD teh kudu bisa ngawartakeun injil (dakwah 
di islam mah). Jadi bener2 ngadidik.

Ari kurikulum Islam di nagara urang? apal sorangan, paling 
ngapalkeun saha indung bapa nabi, jumlah nabi, jumlah malaikat , 
ngapalkeun rukun islam  rukun iman (ngajar wungkul - lain 
ngadidik).  
Padahal ngaranna ge Pendidikan Agama lain Pengajaran Agama.

Tapi aya oge, khususna di SD Islam Plus (biasana mah mahal),  
pelajaran moral agamaa teh langsung diterapkeun di kahirupan sapopoe 
di sakola (teu ngan saukur ngapalkeun).


--- In Baraya_Sunda@yahoogroups.com, Rahman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Marco Parra-Martinez (23)urang Belgia, balanja di McDrive. Dina
 kantong kadaharan pesenanana aya duit lobana 15.000 euro.
 
 Mc Drive teu kahaja ngasupkeun eta amplop kana pesenanan. Eta teh
 hasil omzet restoran sababraha poe kamari.
 
 Marco mimitana mah cangcaya, pan eta duit teh gede. Mun dipimilik 
ge
 moal kanyahoan. Ngan... kulantaran di imah ku indung bapana sok
 dipapagahan sing JUJUR. Manehna balik ka eta restoran MULANGKEUN 
duit.
 
 Mc Donald...baris mere hadiah nu alus, cenah!
 
 
 Picontoeun keur bangsa urang? Nyolong ge geus jad norma apan! :((
 
 baktos,
 
 Rahman






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Aneka Golep - Re: [Baraya_Sunda] Fw: jilbab lagi

2006-10-12 Terurut Topik borrococoque
--- In Baraya_Sunda@yahoogroups.com, Aasep Tea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Tah upami jaman abdi mah ... jaman ala duran-2. Teras emut oge 
jaman John 
 Travolta sareng Teteh Olivia Newton John dina pilem Grease tea. 
Tapi teu 
 hilap gaya local anu sempet berkibar didunia per gaya rambutan 
nyaeta golep 
 sukabumi tea ... aya nu apal teu nya?
 
 Salam Golep,
 Asep
 



Golep Sukabumi? nu kumaha nya?
Golep sorondoy model golep Harmoko sanes?

salam,

Aep S





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Re: [Baraya_Sunda] Birthday Reminder

2006-10-12 Terurut Topik Aasep Tea
Ngiringan ah... heppy belsday oge :).
Mugia ieu forum sing seueur mangfaatna kanggo urang sarerea... janten 
pangbeberah manah, panglipur kalbu, nambah-2 elmu pangaweruh, jampe pamake, 
pikeun urang sadaya ngalakonan ieu kahirupan.

Upami sanes urang saha deui anu bakal ngamumule ngembangkeun kasundaan.

Cheers,
Asep

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From: Hilda Rumambi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Baraya_Sunda] Birthday Reminder


Selamat nya abdi ngucapkeun ka Baraya Sunda, lamun budak leutik teh geus 
tiasa leumpang hehe...
Maju terus nya.., artikel jeung diskusina teh anget pisan, abdi resep macana 
biarpun saya jarang ikut diskusi, soalna era euy vocab basa sundana saeutik 
pisan teu jiga nu sanes..abdi tiasa belajar basa sunda deui ti milis ieu, 
sunda gaul sampe sunda tekno and filsuf sadayana aya didieu...hebatlah 
Baraya Sunda teh up to date pisan!! :)

ti sintuwu maroso-poso
hilda

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  Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 5:57 PM
  Subject: [Baraya_Sunda] Birthday Reminder


Reminder from:   Baraya_Sunda's Calendar
Title:   Dua taun milis Baraya Sunda
Date:   Friday October 13, 2006
Time:   12:00 pm - 1:00 pm
Repeats:   This event does not repeat.
Location:   Di mana2 di sakuliah dunya
Description:   Friday 13  Wow

Baraya saalam maya, poe ieu Juma'ah tanggal 13 Oktober 2005 milis 
urang geus nincak dua taun umurna. Salila dua taun gunemcatur di ieu 
rohangan teh mudah2an we aya mangpaatna keur urang balarea. Lamun aya letah 
nu tisoledat ti saha bae oge; sing jembar pangampura bae. Hayu urang 
nancebkeun sikep Silih Ajenan.

Baktos,

Rahman
Wassenaar, NL
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[Baraya_Sunda] Re: Sunat , Ajaran Agama jeung Budaya ?

2006-10-12 Terurut Topik borrococoque

 
 Bagean kahiji nerangkeun agama Yahudi. Leuh... sabenerna mah mani
 nyeples jeung agama Islam. Can kabaca kabeh ketah...
 

Tangtos we aya miripna (tapi moal nyeples teuing). Malah di agama 
Sinto ge (mun teu salah) aya konsep meuntas sirotol mustaqim.

Jadi inget Kuliah subuh di TV (Tafsir Mishbah ku Quraish Shihab):
Agama Islam teh agama nu di turunkeun keur ;
- ngoreksi penyimpangan nu di lakukeun ku umatna (umat nabi2 
sateuacan Muhammad)
- ngalengkepan ajaran anu di turunkeun ka nabi sateuacan Muhammad
- ... hilap deui

Intina pangeran teh ngan nurunkeun hiji agama, ngan di tiap mangsa 
sok aya wae nu mengparkeun ka ajaran nu salah. Misalna, nabi Isa 
dijadikeun Pangeran, kitu deui di Yahudi (hilap deui saha anu model 
Yesus di Yahudi teh, padahal nabi keneh eta teh).

Malah sesembahan patung Lata, Uza , jrrd nu ngurilingan Kabah di 
jaman jahiliyah, singhoreng eta teh patung2 jalma soleh di jamanna, 
terus dijieun patung keur pangeling2, nu akhirna mangratus-ratus 
taun kahareupna jadi di puja2. 
Ayeuna, gejala2 ieu teh bisa urang tingali di kuburan2 para wali. 
Malah sabagean masyarakat aya nu geus nganggap wali teh sakti 
mandraguna cara dewa.

Tah eta sababna Nabi Muhammad teu meunang di gambar atawa teu 
meunang di jieun patungna. Sigana mah ajaran nu baheula di turun 
keun ka nabi2 nu sejen sarua ge teu meunang.

 Aya conto anu nonjok kuring nepi ka ngadangheuak. Geuning urang 
Yahudi
 teh kapaksa jadi rentenir na teh... sabab urang2 Yahudi teh teu
 meunang baranggawe nu sejen ku urang Kristen. Dina ajaran Kristen 
abad
 pertengahan renten teh hukum na HARAM! Urang Kristen TEU meunang
 rerentenan! Walah!!! 
 

Kumaha ieu teh, Yahudi jadi rentenir ku Kristen teh gara2 di Krsiten 
mah teu meunang rerentenan? Jadi lieur yeuh.

Salam

Aep S




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Re: Aneka Golep - Re: [Baraya_Sunda] Fw: jilbab lagi

2006-10-12 Terurut Topik Aasep Tea
Hehehe tah nembe terang oge aya istilah golep sorondoy mah. Siganamah rada 
mirip-2 harmoko meureun ... rada -2 hilap kumaha bagugna harmoko teh. 
Pokonamah pinggir kenca katuhu ngajiripit... teras payuna rada nyorondoy 
kapayun sakedik.

Salam,
Asep


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 Golep Sukabumi? nu kumaha nya?
 Golep sorondoy model golep Harmoko sanes?

 salam,

 Aep S





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