[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Gallot titles
>> On 15 December 2015 at 08:42, David van Ooijen <[1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote: Dear collectedwisom Can someone shed any light on the titles of following four chaconnes by Gallot? 1) La Comete The comet Kirch/Newtons comet of 1680, right? 2) Le petite Serail Now demolshed government building in Beirut, the one that preceeded the Wikipedia petit Serail from 1884, presumably, right? << Or simply the 'small harem'. More likely? >> 3) La diamantine A cold lady, perhaps? 4) La Mouche A not-so-cold lady, perhaps? << *** David van Ooijen [1][2]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2][3]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. mailto:[4]davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. [5]http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ To get on or off this list see list information at [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 3. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 4. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 5. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Gallot titles
Dear David, I don't know whether you have the CNRS edition of Gallot's works. It contains a section on the sub-titles used by Gallot for his pieces. 'La comète' is almost certainly the comet in December 1680 which inspired the French philosopher Pierre Bayle to write a text criticising religious fanaticism and the worshiping of idols at the expense of freedom of speech. Here is what they have to say on 'Le Petit Serail': (cette pièce) pourrait évoquer les turqueries à la mode, entre autres, dans le "Bourgeois gentilhomme" = (this piece) could be a reference to the turquerie movement which was in fashion and notably depicted in Molière's "Bourgeois gentilhomme". There is no explanation given for 'La Diamantine' but it can be translated as a diamond necklace and so may well refer to a particular lady wearing one. Following in the footsteps of La Fontaine, there is a series of pièces with names from the animal kingdom and 'La mouche' (the fly) is one on them. It would appear that these titles were used to help identify a certain piece (rather than having to refer to yet another 'allemande' or 'courante') and were often dedicated to Gallot's acquaintances or to different aspects of everyday life. I don't think they should be considered as character pieces, unlike many of the later works of a composer such as Rameau. I hope this is of some help. Best Matthew On 15/12/2015 09:02, David van Ooijen wrote: >> On 15 December 2015 at 08:42, David van Ooijen <[1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote: Dear collectedwisom Can someone shed any light on the titles of following four chaconnes by Gallot? 1) La Comete The comet Kirch/Newtons comet of 1680, right? 2) Le petite Serail Now demolshed government building in Beirut, the one that preceeded the Wikipedia petit Serail from 1884, presumably, right? << Or simply the 'small harem'. More likely? >> 3) La diamantine A cold lady, perhaps? 4) La Mouche A not-so-cold lady, perhaps? << *** David van Ooijen [1][2]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2][3]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. mailto:[4]davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. [5]http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ To get on or off this list see list information at [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 3. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 4. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 5. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html - Aucun virus trouve dans ce message. Analyse effectuee par AVG - www.avg.fr Version: 2016.0.7294 / Base de donnees virale: 4483/11181 - Date: 15/12/2015
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Gallot titles
There has been an edition of Jacques Gallot's Petite Serail by Wilfred Foxe. I seem to remember that he wrote that this piece was modelled after a play for the stage where an older man is surrounded by two mistresses of different humours, or something along those lines. Mathias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Matthew Daillie Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. Dezember 2015 11:28 An: lutelist Net; Baroque Lute List (E-mail) Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Gallot titles Dear David, I don't know whether you have the CNRS edition of Gallot's works. It contains a section on the sub-titles used by Gallot for his pieces. 'La comète' is almost certainly the comet in December 1680 which inspired the French philosopher Pierre Bayle to write a text criticising religious fanaticism and the worshiping of idols at the expense of freedom of speech. Here is what they have to say on 'Le Petit Serail': (cette pièce) pourrait évoquer les turqueries à la mode, entre autres, dans le "Bourgeois gentilhomme" = (this piece) could be a reference to the turquerie movement which was in fashion and notably depicted in Molière's "Bourgeois gentilhomme". There is no explanation given for 'La Diamantine' but it can be translated as a diamond necklace and so may well refer to a particular lady wearing one. Following in the footsteps of La Fontaine, there is a series of pièces with names from the animal kingdom and 'La mouche' (the fly) is one on them. It would appear that these titles were used to help identify a certain piece (rather than having to refer to yet another 'allemande' or 'courante') and were often dedicated to Gallot's acquaintances or to different aspects of everyday life. I don't think they should be considered as character pieces, unlike many of the later works of a composer such as Rameau. I hope this is of some help. Best Matthew On 15/12/2015 09:02, David van Ooijen wrote: > >> > On 15 December 2015 at 08:42, David van Ooijen > <[1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Dear collectedwisom > Can someone shed any light on the titles of following four > chaconnes by > Gallot? > > > 1) La Comete > The comet Kirch/Newtons comet of 1680, right? > > > 2) Le petite Serail > Now demolshed government building in Beirut, the one that > preceeded the > Wikipedia petit Serail from 1884, presumably, right? > > << > Or simply the 'small harem'. More likely? > >> > > 3) La diamantine > A cold lady, perhaps? > > > 4) La Mouche > A not-so-cold lady, perhaps? > > << > > *** > David van Ooijen > [1][2]davidvanooi...@gmail.com > [2][3]www.davidvanooijen.nl > *** > -- > References > 1. mailto:[4]davidvanooi...@gmail.com > 2. [5]http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ > To get on or off this list see list information at > [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- > > References > > 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com > 2. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com > 3. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ > 4. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com > 5. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ > 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > - > Aucun virus trouve dans ce message. > Analyse effectuee par AVG - www.avg.fr > Version: 2016.0.7294 / Base de donnees virale: 4483/11181 - Date: > 15/12/2015 > >
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Gallot titles
There it is: Supplement to Lute News 105 (April 2013), p. 38 seqq. Foxe suggests that Gallot's chaconne may allude to Jean de la Fontaine's L'homme entre deux ages", in that the dramatis personae (man and two mistresses) are characterized by distinct motives each. I found and still find this suggestion quite convincing. Mathias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Mathias Rösel Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. Dezember 2015 12:28 An: 'Baroque Lute List (E-mail)' Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Gallot titles There has been an edition of Jacques Gallot's Petite Serail by Wilfred Foxe. I seem to remember that he wrote that this piece was modelled after a play for the stage where an older man is surrounded by two mistresses of different humours, or something along those lines. Mathias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Matthew Daillie Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. Dezember 2015 11:28 An: lutelist Net; Baroque Lute List (E-mail) Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Gallot titles Dear David, I don't know whether you have the CNRS edition of Gallot's works. It contains a section on the sub-titles used by Gallot for his pieces. 'La comète' is almost certainly the comet in December 1680 which inspired the French philosopher Pierre Bayle to write a text criticising religious fanaticism and the worshiping of idols at the expense of freedom of speech. Here is what they have to say on 'Le Petit Serail': (cette pièce) pourrait évoquer les turqueries à la mode, entre autres, dans le "Bourgeois gentilhomme" = (this piece) could be a reference to the turquerie movement which was in fashion and notably depicted in Molière's "Bourgeois gentilhomme". There is no explanation given for 'La Diamantine' but it can be translated as a diamond necklace and so may well refer to a particular lady wearing one. Following in the footsteps of La Fontaine, there is a series of pièces with names from the animal kingdom and 'La mouche' (the fly) is one on them. It would appear that these titles were used to help identify a certain piece (rather than having to refer to yet another 'allemande' or 'courante') and were often dedicated to Gallot's acquaintances or to different aspects of everyday life. I don't think they should be considered as character pieces, unlike many of the later works of a composer such as Rameau. I hope this is of some help. Best Matthew On 15/12/2015 09:02, David van Ooijen wrote: > >> > On 15 December 2015 at 08:42, David van Ooijen > <[1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Dear collectedwisom > Can someone shed any light on the titles of following four > chaconnes by > Gallot? > > > 1) La Comete > The comet Kirch/Newtons comet of 1680, right? > > > 2) Le petite Serail > Now demolshed government building in Beirut, the one that > preceeded the > Wikipedia petit Serail from 1884, presumably, right? > > << > Or simply the 'small harem'. More likely? > >> > > 3) La diamantine > A cold lady, perhaps? > > > 4) La Mouche > A not-so-cold lady, perhaps? > > << > > *** > David van Ooijen > [1][2]davidvanooi...@gmail.com > [2][3]www.davidvanooijen.nl > *** > -- > References > 1. mailto:[4]davidvanooi...@gmail.com > 2. [5]http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ > To get on or off this list see list information at > [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- > > References > > 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com > 2. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com > 3. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ > 4. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com > 5. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ > 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > - > Aucun virus trouve dans ce message. > Analyse effectuee par AVG - www.avg.fr > Version: 2016.0.7294 / Base de donnees virale: 4483/11181 - Date: > 15/12/2015 > >
