Re: bbdb3 won't stop auto-updating records
On Apr 28 2015, Glyn Millington glyn.milling...@gmail.com wrote: Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org writes: On Apr 28 2015, Glyn Millington glyn.milling...@gmail.com wrote: Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org writes: Well, yes, if you don't pass 'gnus to the bbdb-mua-auto-update-init function, then it won't parse any Gnus article buffers. However, I *want* bbdb3 to parse the Gnus article buffers under same conditions. I tried implemeting this conditions in a custom bbdb-mua-auto-update-p functions, but it did not work. When debugging this, I found out that even the trivial case of setting bbdb-mua-auto-update-p to nil does not prevent bbdb from parsing the gnus buffers - thus my question here. To me this looks like a bug. Am I missing something? Not sure! I've pasted that chunk of your config down below to comment in it. I'm using bbdb 3.1.2. I have the following configuration: (require 'bbdb) (bbdb-initialize 'gnus 'message) (bbdb-mua-auto-update-init 'gnus 'message) (setq bbdb-mua-pop-up t bbdb-mua-auto-update-p nil So it won't automatically update but bbdb-update-records-p 'query It will ASK if you want to update No. According to the documentation, this is the return value for `bbdb-select-message`. But bbdb select message should never be called if bbdb-mua-auto-update-p is nil. Now you have me intrigued! Rummaging around in the source code for what might invoke bbdb-select-message I found this: (defcustom bbdb/gnus-update-records-p (lambda () (let ((bbdb-update-records-p 'query)) (bbdb-select-message))) How `bbdb-mua-update-records' processes mail addresses in Gnus. This Gnus-specific variable is normally not used. It is a fallback if the generic (MUA-independent) variables `bbdb-mua-auto-update-p', `bbdb-update-records-p' or `bbdb-mua-update-interactive-p' result in a value of nil for the arg UPDATE-P of `bbdb-update-records'. Does that explain why bbdb-select-message is being called despite bbdb-mua-auto-update-p being nil? Yes, I think that's it. Thanks a lot! I'm a little flabbergasted by this though. Why is there a need for a fallback in the first place? I think nil should be interpreted like the documentation say: do nothing. Best, -Nikolaus -- GPG encrypted emails preferred. Key id: 0xD113FCAC3C4E599F Fingerprint: ED31 791B 2C5C 1613 AF38 8B8A D113 FCAC 3C4E 599F »Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a Banana.« -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ bbdb-info@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bbdb-info BBDB Home Page: http://bbdb.sourceforge.net/
Update records in some Gnus groups
Hello, Is there a way to have bbdb3 automatically update the records in some (but not all) Gnus (imap) groups? I tried writing a custom function for bbdb-mua-auto-update-p whose return value depends on the active group but I've had no luck (it seems this variable is just completely ignored). Best, -Nikolaus -- GPG encrypted emails preferred. Key id: 0xD113FCAC3C4E599F Fingerprint: ED31 791B 2C5C 1613 AF38 8B8A D113 FCAC 3C4E 599F »Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a Banana.« -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ bbdb-info@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bbdb-info BBDB Home Page: http://bbdb.sourceforge.net/
Re: Update records in some Gnus groups
On Apr 29 2015, Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org wrote: Hello, Is there a way to have bbdb3 automatically update the records in some (but not all) Gnus (imap) groups? I tried writing a custom function for bbdb-mua-auto-update-p whose return value depends on the active group but I've had no luck (it seems this variable is just completely ignored). Glyn figured out the problem (see other thread). With bbdb/gnus-update-records-p set to nil, I can set bbdb-mua-auto-update-p to something like defun my-bbdb-select-message () Add people to bbdb when in certain groups. (cond ((string-match ^nnimap:INBOX gnus-newsgroup-name) (bbdb-select-message)) ((eq major-mode 'message-mode) (bbdb-select-message)) (t 'update))) ...and it actually takes effect. Problem solved :-). Best, -Nikolaus -- GPG encrypted emails preferred. Key id: 0xD113FCAC3C4E599F Fingerprint: ED31 791B 2C5C 1613 AF38 8B8A D113 FCAC 3C4E 599F »Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a Banana.« -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ bbdb-info@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bbdb-info BBDB Home Page: http://bbdb.sourceforge.net/
Re: bbdb3 won't stop auto-updating records
On Apr 28 2015, Glyn Millington glyn.milling...@gmail.com wrote: Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org writes: Well, yes, if you don't pass 'gnus to the bbdb-mua-auto-update-init function, then it won't parse any Gnus article buffers. However, I *want* bbdb3 to parse the Gnus article buffers under same conditions. I tried implemeting this conditions in a custom bbdb-mua-auto-update-p functions, but it did not work. When debugging this, I found out that even the trivial case of setting bbdb-mua-auto-update-p to nil does not prevent bbdb from parsing the gnus buffers - thus my question here. To me this looks like a bug. Am I missing something? Not sure! I've pasted that chunk of your config down below to comment in it. I'm using bbdb 3.1.2. I have the following configuration: (require 'bbdb) (bbdb-initialize 'gnus 'message) (bbdb-mua-auto-update-init 'gnus 'message) (setq bbdb-mua-pop-up t bbdb-mua-auto-update-p nil So it won't automatically update but bbdb-update-records-p 'query It will ASK if you want to update No. According to the documentation, this is the return value for `bbdb-select-message`. But bbdb select message should never be called if bbdb-mua-auto-update-p is nil. That being said, I'm not clear what it is you are trying to achieve. It might help to post your custom bbdb-mua-auto-update-p and explain what you are hoping will result. Well, I really just want bbdb to stop ignoring the bbdb-mua-auto-update-p variable. I think that before that works, there is little point in setting it to a custom function and posting that function. That said, my eventual goal is to have bbdb automatically update addresses in only some Gnus groups. Best, -Nikolaus -- GPG encrypted emails preferred. Key id: 0xD113FCAC3C4E599F Fingerprint: ED31 791B 2C5C 1613 AF38 8B8A D113 FCAC 3C4E 599F »Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a Banana.« -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ bbdb-info@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bbdb-info BBDB Home Page: http://bbdb.sourceforge.net/
bbdb-message-all-addresses (was: bbdb3 won't stop auto-updating records)
On Apr 27 2015, Glyn Millington glyn.milling...@gmail.com wrote: (setq bbdb-message-all-addresses t) Can you explain what this setting does? The help says , | If t `bbdb-update-records' returns all mail addresses of a message. | Otherwise this function returns only the first mail address of each message. ` ..but this still doesn't tell me what this means for me, and if I want that behavior (no, the bbdb-update-records description did not help either). Thanks! -Nikolaus -- GPG encrypted emails preferred. Key id: 0xD113FCAC3C4E599F Fingerprint: ED31 791B 2C5C 1613 AF38 8B8A D113 FCAC 3C4E 599F »Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a Banana.« -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ bbdb-info@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bbdb-info BBDB Home Page: http://bbdb.sourceforge.net/
Re: bbdb3 won't stop auto-updating records
On Apr 27 2015, Glyn Millington glyn.milling...@gmail.com wrote: I'm using bbdb 3.1.2. I have the following configuration: (require 'bbdb) (bbdb-initialize 'gnus 'message) (bbdb-mua-auto-update-init 'gnus 'message) (setq bbdb-mua-pop-up t bbdb-mua-auto-update-p nil bbdb-update-records-p 'query bbdb-ignore-message-alist '((From . bugzilla-daemon))) As I understand, setting bbdb-mua-auto-update-p should prevent bbdb from attempting to automatically update records. However, every time I select any article in Gnus, bbdb asks me if I want to create or update the records of the sender and recipients. ... and conversely, even if I set bbdb-mua-auto-update-p to 'query, it does not ask me to update recipient records when composing and sending a message using message-mode. I feel like I'm missing something obvious... This is part of my set-up. (setq bbdb-file ~/.emacs.d/.bbdb) (bbdb-initialize 'gnus 'message 'anniv) (setq bbdb-complete-mail-allow-cycling t) ;; control pop-up and it's size (setq bbdb-mua-pop-up t) (setq bbdb-mua-pop-up-window-size 0.1) (setq bbdb-mua-update-interactive-p '(query . create)) (setq bbdb-message-all-addresses t) (add-hook 'message-setup-hook 'bbdb-mail-aliases) This works as you want it to work I think. Well, yes, if you don't pass 'gnus to the bbdb-mua-auto-update-init function, then it won't parse any Gnus article buffers. However, I *want* bbdb3 to parse the Gnus article buffers under same conditions. I tried implemeting this conditions in a custom bbdb-mua-auto-update-p functions, but it did not work. When debugging this, I found out that even the trivial case of setting bbdb-mua-auto-update-p to nil does not prevent bbdb from parsing the gnus buffers - thus my question here. To me this looks like a bug. Am I missing something? Best, -Nikolaus -- GPG encrypted emails preferred. Key id: 0xD113FCAC3C4E599F Fingerprint: ED31 791B 2C5C 1613 AF38 8B8A D113 FCAC 3C4E 599F »Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a Banana.« -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ bbdb-info@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bbdb-info BBDB Home Page: http://bbdb.sourceforge.net/
Re: bbdb3 won't stop auto-updating records
On Apr 22 2015, Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org wrote: On Apr 22 2015, Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org wrote: Hello, I'm using bbdb 3.1.2. I have the following configuration: (require 'bbdb) (bbdb-initialize 'gnus 'message) (bbdb-mua-auto-update-init 'gnus 'message) (setq bbdb-mua-pop-up t bbdb-mua-auto-update-p nil bbdb-update-records-p 'query bbdb-ignore-message-alist '((From . bugzilla-daemon))) As I understand, setting bbdb-mua-auto-update-p should prevent bbdb from attempting to automatically update records. However, every time I select any article in Gnus, bbdb asks me if I want to create or update the records of the sender and recipients. ... and conversely, even if I set bbdb-mua-auto-update-p to 'query, it does not ask me to update recipient records when composing and sending a message using message-mode. I feel like I'm missing something obvious... *ping* Really no one able to help? Best, -Nikolaus -- GPG encrypted emails preferred. Key id: 0xD113FCAC3C4E599F Fingerprint: ED31 791B 2C5C 1613 AF38 8B8A D113 FCAC 3C4E 599F »Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a Banana.« -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ bbdb-info@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bbdb-info BBDB Home Page: http://bbdb.sourceforge.net/
Re: bbdb3 won't stop auto-updating records
On Apr 22 2015, Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org wrote: Hello, I'm using bbdb 3.1.2. I have the following configuration: (require 'bbdb) (bbdb-initialize 'gnus 'message) (bbdb-mua-auto-update-init 'gnus 'message) (setq bbdb-mua-pop-up t bbdb-mua-auto-update-p nil bbdb-update-records-p 'query bbdb-ignore-message-alist '((From . bugzilla-daemon))) As I understand, setting bbdb-mua-auto-update-p should prevent bbdb from attempting to automatically update records. However, every time I select any article in Gnus, bbdb asks me if I want to create or update the records of the sender and recipients. ... and conversely, even if I set bbdb-mua-auto-update-p to 'query, it does not ask me to update recipient records when composing and sending a message using message-mode. I feel like I'm missing something obvious... Best, -Nikolaus -- GPG encrypted emails preferred. Key id: 0xD113FCAC3C4E599F Fingerprint: ED31 791B 2C5C 1613 AF38 8B8A D113 FCAC 3C4E 599F »Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a Banana.« -- BPM Camp - Free Virtual Workshop May 6th at 10am PDT/1PM EDT Develop your own process in accordance with the BPMN 2 standard Learn Process modeling best practices with Bonita BPM through live exercises http://www.bonitasoft.com/be-part-of-it/events/bpm-camp-virtual- event?utm_ source=Sourceforge_BPM_Camp_5_6_15utm_medium=emailutm_campaign=VA_SF ___ bbdb-info@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bbdb-info BBDB Home Page: http://bbdb.sourceforge.net/
bbdb3 won't stop auto-updating records
Hello, I'm using bbdb 3.1.2. I have the following configuration: (require 'bbdb) (bbdb-initialize 'gnus 'message) (bbdb-mua-auto-update-init 'gnus 'message) (setq bbdb-mua-pop-up t bbdb-mua-auto-update-p nil bbdb-update-records-p 'query bbdb-ignore-message-alist '((From . bugzilla-daemon))) As I understand, setting bbdb-mua-auto-update-p should prevent bbdb from attempting to automatically update records. However, every time I select any article in Gnus, bbdb asks me if I want to create or update the records of the sender and recipients. What am I missing? Thanks! -Nikolaus -- GPG encrypted emails preferred. Key id: 0xD113FCAC3C4E599F Fingerprint: ED31 791B 2C5C 1613 AF38 8B8A D113 FCAC 3C4E 599F »Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a Banana.« -- BPM Camp - Free Virtual Workshop May 6th at 10am PDT/1PM EDT Develop your own process in accordance with the BPMN 2 standard Learn Process modeling best practices with Bonita BPM through live exercises http://www.bonitasoft.com/be-part-of-it/events/bpm-camp-virtual- event?utm_ source=Sourceforge_BPM_Camp_5_6_15utm_medium=emailutm_campaign=VA_SF ___ bbdb-info@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bbdb-info BBDB Home Page: http://bbdb.sourceforge.net/
