Re: Spring news
Very well said Lloyd. Peter. - Original Message - From: Lloyd Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 1:12 PM Subject: Re: Spring news From: The Korrows Christy wrote our latest revelation is that the small percentage of organic farms (8000 certified farms in the US- 90,000 farms in Kentucky alone) is not going to turn around agriculture, Its a shame more people in organic and biodynamic agriculture dont realise this - certification is the problem! It infers an all or nothing situation - either you go organic and become certified or you remain (in the eyes of the certified) a chemical farmer. The greatest benefit to agriculture will come from integration of biodynamic and organic practices on conventional (chemical) farms, after all if you eliminate entirely the use of chemicals on a small area say ten or twenty acres of certified land, in the overall scheme of things thats not much chemical. A reduction in the rate applied on one normal scale commercial farm would make a far more significant reduction in amount of chemical used and it is easy to do. We just have to get the farmers attention and show that these things work on normal commercial farms. Greg Willis is doing this, Glen Atkinson in new Zealand has trial results supporting his use of bdpreps on chemical farms replacing toxic chemical applications with potentised preps, we are seeing these things, and other non toxic tactics working on our own farm. There is a huge opportunity here for serious reductions in toxic chemical usage without the attendant reductions in crop yield and financial pain. But I still cop a fair amount of flack along the lines of ' when are you going to do things properly and get certified' from some people within the bd movement - I admit its got more friendly as time goes on (or am I less sensitive to it). I realise we need some of the purist approach or the whole thing will get watered down to mediocrity but I also think that many people dont consider the first step because they are under the impression that they have to go the whole way or there will be no result. Painless transition should be our aim! Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: baby animals born...
We really have a common bond amongst all farmers don't we. Governments can indulge in their petty intrigues, but regardless of where we are whether you are a cropper or a grazer what is really important is the caring and nurturing of stock and plants on your enterprise. When I read something like you have written it reminds me that we are all part of the One and that even although I may have a gripe sometimes about my grievances on American Foreign policy it is maybe as our illustrious Prime Minister has said. this war has nothing to do with the people. These are Inter -governmental decisions. Many people world wide may not like the bully boy attitude of your leaders, but put farmers together at a sheep or cattle sale or a seminar on production techniques, no matter where it is in the world and there is a common bond. We are farmers and somehow that is what will bind us together and allow us to prevail in the coming battle between the forces of good and evil. Go well James Radiasesthesia and Radionic Analysis Radionic Insect and Parasite control Bioethical Agriculture Consultant - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 10:47 PM Subject: baby animals born... Yes, kidding and foaling season is finished here. I had some very early (or late) foals last year, one very pregnant mare was sold. But the buyer was afraid to foal out so paid me extra to midwife her for her. For some reason, I knew it would be a stud colt, and didn't want to try to get it to weaning, market it and/or get it under saddle then market it. Didn't want to invest 3+ years in a crossbred colt with a 19 yr old dam. So, selling her with the foal inter-utero was ideal for me. (Midwifing farm animals seems to be my forte after all.) She foaled first of November and they took the pair home (I chipped in imprinting and halter training on the foal) before Christmas. The woman totally ignored my work, started doing things that terrified the baby, and had to have someone start him all over. But that was after they left here. I'd never tell anyone to throw a baby horse to the ground to 'show him who's boss'. If I'd known she was going to be stupid about it, I'd have charged her more! My other 2 pregnant mares foaled Nov 24 and Dec 10 with fillies. Again, I have no idea why, but I 'knew' these would be fillies. The oldest is approaching weaning age at the end of this month, and she's enormous for a 4 month old baby. The other one, Encanta, is from my favorite mare and is a living doll. Loves to be around me, comes nickering up whenever she sees me outside, and thinks I belong solely to herself. Going to be small, and a 'dirty dun' like her Mom, so I suspect I'll sell Mirada, the other one and keep her. I find I really like these dun horses, they seem to have much less hoof problems, hard hooves, and they always look dirty, no matter how much you polish them. So, a quick brush and a rag ran over them, and they're good to go. then there's the goats. I had made the decision to leave all kids on their dams if at all possible this year. I was there for the births, making sure kids knew which end was important, otherwise, the goats are raising their own offspring. First time in 20+ years, but I just don't have the 'oomph' anymore to pasteurize milk, bottle feed and make sure I'm out there milking twice a day. I milk once a day, or at least get the moms on the milkstand and check their udders, making sure they're being nursed out evenly, and take a little for the house when I need it. Except the kids are really drawing the does down, it seems to be working ok this way. Out of 7 kids, four are doelings. I had a waiting list for the doe kids, but I still may keep 2 of the very best ones. I know this has nothing to do with biodynamics, but it's farm life and Christy DID ask!
Vitality and fertility ofsoils
Dear Lloyd, Steve and fellow list members, In Bruce Copen's Agricultural rates there are the rates for soil testing with Carey Reams techniques. Amongst these rates is one for testing the vitality of the soil. Vitality of the soil seems to not get coverage on BDnow. Maybe one of the reasons is that until I started to research this concept I had never heard of vitality as being measurable parameter of soil. I write this in the hope that some of you who have experience of Reams techniques may be able to enlighten me, or head me in the direction of further areas of study of his methods. Lloyd knows our property, red basalt soil, 3200 cgs on average, averages 6% organic matter, high mineralisation and a dream soil for anyone to start with. There is only one problem, when you test the soils in our cultivation paddocks radionically it gives a reading of about 10% vitality, and the same for fertility. My definition for fertility is the ability of plants grown to reproduce true to type with maximum viability, which is a true reflection of the fertility of the soil. In other words they need to have inbuilt vitality and an inbuilt toughness. This ties in with other strands which are developing on the list about trace elements and nutrition, and whether we can claim that food is better if grown biodynamically. I love my plants and take great delight in growing plants that have a look of vitality about them. Although they may appear to be very vital plants, each year the seed loses some of it's vitality. My problem then became how do I increase vitality, when within the existing theories that I had been exposed to, at university and on the list there was not a lot which I could do with this soil. Most minerals were within acceptable standards, copper and Sulphur down a bit. The pH has increased from 5.5 to 6.8 over the last 3 years and is in general a very pleasant soil to work with. It appears that the plants may have been living on their inbuilt vitality, but were not getting much assistance from the soil. There was something missing. The missing thing was indefinable, however I instinctively knew that something was wrong, that there was some missing ingredients in the brew. At first I thought that vitality was being lost from the cultivated areas into the surrounding forest, on the basis that energy travels from the lowest to the highest. In amongst my other radionic broadcasts I put out one for vitality, and another one for fertility. The results are that now that the drought has broken, there are no bare patches that were there before. It seems that there is a vitality that was not there before, even although it appeared to be as good as any mortal person could hope for. My question is what is vitality and what enlivens it in the soil. Regards James - Original Message - From: Lloyd Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 10:35 AM Subject: Re: Electronic homeopathy for plants. Was Re: late winter farm From: Steve Diver The typical NPK soil test, even the Albrecht soil test, is largely irrelevant from this humus perspective. Hi Steve I would like to pursue this a bit. Maybe I think a bit different to most but I reckon the main benefit of a proper soil test (a good Albrecht type analysis) is the detailed trace element analysis - of course you have to pay the rate to get it and many people are not prepared to go whole hog on a soil test. The majors are simple and cheap - you can get Calcium , magnesium, potassium and sodium off any old twenty dollar soil test and run an 'Albrecht balance' off those numbers and most times you will come out with a workable result - there is a bit of math involved and some conversion figures sometimes - it helps to know the cheap test numbers in comparison to a perry or brookside but you can do this . OTOH A decent trace element analysis is not something you can get cheap. For trace element numbers you need to go to a good lab and pay the price and also do any retests with that same lab. Trace element nutrition is something that many organic farmers neglect almost as badly as their chemical cousins and I really dont see how you can get this right (or know that it is right) without some proper soil testing. Of course I dont know those Swiss soils - maybe they are so loaded with minerals and energy that the farmers dont need to look for anything xtra - Quartz crystal that I have seen from there is the best energetically. Tell us what they are doing that makes testing irrelevant Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: Chromas and humus Was Electronic homeopathy for plants.
Dear Lloyd, The idea that potentised preps stay put as proposed by Glen does not agree with my understanding and use of radionically prepared substances. If radionic preps stayed put you would not be able to use a small amount in your BC and expect it to permeate through the whole mix. It would just be a few drops scattered amongst the compost. if there was not a radiational effect Glen would not be able to claim that his possum retardant can be mixed into sand and a handful thrown out every 20 metres or so. I test the radiational effect of radionic substances with a radionic instrument in this way. Take some of the substance, say in a watering can, and sprinkle it out over a defined area. leave for some time, maybe 2 or 3 days then take soil samples at 1 metre intervals. Test the soil samples to find if there is any of the substance that you have broadcast. This is done by either dialling in the rate for that substance and then seeing if you get a stick,from a match with the soil sampleand the witness.My tests have shown that the radiational effect is usually somewhere between 17 and 40 times, the size of the treated area. There have been no outside influences such as an instrument. It is purely and simply natural forces. To say that there is not a radiational effect from the use of radionically prepared substances implies that somehow different laws apply to radionics than apply to the rest of the natural world. Supposing that you were to dilute a litre of preps from Glen, in whatever amount of water that he suggests, if the homoeopathic preps had no radiational effect on the rest of the water why would you dilute it. Is the water just a carrier or does something happen to the water. It seems to me that the memory pattern from the potentised preps permeates the medium through osmosis. An example of the radiational effect of peppering is a 12month trial that we have just comleted at Willow Tree on control of St Johns Wort. the aim of the trial was to test the effect of a method that we have developed of making high homoeopathic peppers of St John's Wort. The trial has confirmed earlier research on Serrated Tussock which indicated viability of seed, both on the plant and in the seed bank in the soil can be reduced markedly by our method of weed pepper production and application. These trials prove conclusively that there is a radiational effect from the pepper sprayed on the surface of the soil otherwise we would not be able to devitalise seed under the soil. The applications of this research of using a non toxic species specific pre emergence weedicide could revolutionise the widespread application of chemical herbicides. The next stage is to take the method to trial large scale application over 500 acres. The surrounding area of the trial was covered with St John's Wort whereas the trial area had zero germination. A most pleasing result. It is difficult to isolate a trial area, as you have commented, but not impossible. One method used by Bruce Copen to define the area for a radionic broadcast trial was to mark off the area to be tested with 4 copper rods sticking out of the ground to a height of 1 metre and then take soil or leaf samples from this area as a witness. The radionic broadcast then confines to the marked area. This may help anyone who wanted experiment with comparing radionic broadcast to non treated areas as you can have several strips alongside each other. It could be worth trying.Will keep you informed how this method works out. Kindest regards James Hedley Radiasesthesia and Radionic Analysis Radionic Insect and Parasite control Bioethical Agriculture Consultant - Original Message - From: Lloyd Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 9:48 AM Subject: Re: Chromas and humus Was Electronic homeopathy for plants. - Original Message - From: Steve Diver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 2:36 AM Subject: Re: Electronic homeopathy for plants. Was Re: late winter farm Chromas as intellectual curiosity? Chromas are a practical approach to the humus farmers in Austria and Switzerland, who work their soils with humified compost, cover crops, spading machines, rotations, and related humus management practices to achieve biological health, clay-humus crumb, and associated mineral availability. Hi Steve I dont think you'd get much argument about the value of chromas as you have described above Lets come back around the circle and look at this again 1 I made some barrel compost using radionically made preps instead of the physical ones - heck I had enough cow manure for two pits and only one set of preps - and I was curious as to what would happen. 2. The stuffs done and visually there is no difference and there was none as it went through the process 3 We tested these two lots energetically with a radionic machine and by dowsing and for practical purposes there
water as information
Steve, You said: water as a carrier of information and energetic quality to the vital quality of foods. I know how I 'feel' about the way water works, but would you care to elaborate about this sentence? It's supposed to rain again tomorrow, my sea of mud has finally receded enough i can wade through my gateways w/out sinking to my knees. I suspect that will end with the next rainfall. But, I've been wondering about the benefits of this excess water, especially as it's pooling and carrying manure and some topsoil off to places that probably needed it anyhow. Would this be one way it shares/carries information? (Besides the obvious, giving nutritional benefit to plant roots. ) To long-term BD practitioners, 'potensizing' means stirring and (gradually) adding to a larger body of water or other carrier. To someone like myself, I have a hard time getting around the fact that it seems more like diluting than strengthening. Note: Actually, I'm beginning to understand the principles behind stirring, etc, adding your intent to a project, but explaining to someone else who may be involved is very hard for this novice. Martha Wells~Flylo Farms~ Texas Zone 8
Re: Vitality and fertility ofsoils
- Original Message - From: James Hedley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 9:37 PM Subject: Vitality and fertility ofsoils Dear Lloyd, Steve and fellow list members, In Bruce Copen's Agricultural rates there are the rates for soil testing with Carey Reams techniques. Amongst these rates is one for testing the vitality of the soil. Vitality of the soil seems to not get coverage on BDnow. Maybe one of the reasons is that until I started to research this concept I had never heard of vitality as being measurable parameter of soil. I write this in the hope that some of you who have experience of Reams techniques may be able to enlighten me, or head me in the direction of further areas of study of his methods. Lloyd knows our property, red basalt soil, 3200 cgs on average, averages 6% organic matter, high mineralisation and a dream soil for anyone to start with. There is only one problem, when you test the soils in our cultivation paddocks radionically it gives a reading of about 10% vitality, and the same for fertility. My definition for fertility is the ability of plants grown to reproduce true to type with maximum viability, which is a true reflection of the fertility of the soil. In other words they need to have inbuilt vitality and an inbuilt toughness. Hi James Some of the followers of Carey Reams ideas would tell you that those really good soils like yours are often very difficult to manage when they get out of shape, they are strongly fertile and highly buffered and they resist our efforts to change them in whatever direction we are meaning to move. They can be exploitatively farmed for a long period but then restoration takes equally long, trace element imbalances that dont appear that serious can take a lot of effort to correct etc. When we look at the bush in your area there is a marked lack of diversity compared to poorer soil types nearby, this is something we see all over Australia, in the most fertile soil areas the natural vegetation appears as almost a mono culture (the mitchell grass plains or the riverina floodplain covered with redgum) whereas in the poorest soil types there is an unbeleivable diversity of species (west australias sand plain country or the pilliga for example) maybe this lack of diversity in the original vegetation also supports a restricted microbial species range that makes it difficult to grow some introduced crop plants even with the high mineral fertility that is there? My question is what is vitality and what enlivens it in the soil. James when we get that figured out we will be able to retire on the proceeds. Seriously though I have a couple more questions to add When we test radionically for GV just what are we measuring? And (this one has been rattling around my head for quite a while) Is it really the best thing to treat a crop or seed or whatever so that we wind the GV reading up to the absolute maximum we can get? I guess I am thinking about balance - can we have too much vitality and not enough substance? See I have this picture of a fine bred arab horse that will run until it dies in mid stride - the vitality of spirit is far in excess of its physical ability. Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: Chromas and humus Was Electronic homeopathy for plants.
- Original Message - From: James Hedley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:21 PM Subject: Re: Chromas and humus Was Electronic homeopathy for plants. Dear Lloyd, The idea that potentised preps stay put as proposed by Glen does not agree with my understanding and use of radionically prepared substances. If radionic preps stayed put you would not be able to use a small amount in your BC and expect it to permeate through the whole mix. It would just be a few drops scattered amongst the compost. if there was not a radiational effect Glen would not be able to claim that his possum retardant can be mixed into sand and a handful thrown out every 20 metres or so. To say that there is not a radiational effect from the use of radionically prepared substances implies that somehow different laws apply to radionics than apply to the rest of the natural world. It is difficult to isolate a trial area, as you have commented, but not impossible. One method used by Bruce Copen to define the area for a radionic broadcast trial was to mark off the area to be tested with 4 copper rods sticking out of the ground to a height of 1 metre and then take soil or leaf samples from this area as a witness. The radionic broadcast then confines to the marked area. Hi James I dont disagree with what you wrote but does this all maybe come back to intent . If Glens underlying intent when potentising his remedies was that they would only treat where they were sprayed then I believe that is what would happen, and if you believe or intend that what you do will radiate out then that should be what happens with yours. This is a major factor in radionics and we probably all under rate it. Cheers Lloyd Charles 'thought preceeds energy - energy preceeds substance'
Dairy cows even in N.Z.
Please don´t forget the genetics of these animal´s they have beingdoing a wonderful wrk by selecting Frisio , and Jersey for pasture for a long time and the way they use to eveluate a animal is quit different : http://www.newzealandgenetics.com ; and http://www.aeu.org.nz Livestock Improvement New Zealand If one looks at the health factor of herds of dairy cows even in N.Z. it is remarkable the difference in vet costs and how quickly that change can take place, one can be in no doubt that consuming organic foods are conciderably more beneficial to the health of the consumer. With dairy cows one is dealing with a shorter life span than for humans. Cows can not hop on their bikes and go down town for their favourite fast food meal!! like humans can so that makes a study much easier to monitor. They haven't got access to the supermarket and all the tempting bargains either. I don't know of anyone who has done such a study at university level, do you? Perhaps someone can persuade a student to look at this question for a Master Of Science degree. My partner Gill is looking at the nutritional aspects of organic v/s conventional with lettuces as the study plant and reports amoung other things that protein is significantly ellevated where the biodynamic remedies have been used. She should be finnished her degree at the end of June. We are having autumn in N.Z. and in our part good heavy autumn rain has arrived right on shedule for golden queen peach harvest. Like many soft and stone fruit that get good rain just before harvest time splitting and rotting procede apace. This year I got busy with one of the sprays we make in the lab. (Glen Atkinson's sprays are now being marketed as B.D.Max by a new sales company of that name). Root max in the afternoon and Ripemax in the morning. The splitting slowed right down then stopped.I picked most of the fruit for bottleing. The first run had a brix of seven, the last two 16 and fifteen. No sugar or honey was used and all the fruit looked green before peeling and many after peeling too. A few leaves of stevia were added to each brew. When chopped up less than a level teaspoon. Without the use of these homoeopathic remedies I would have expected to loose more than half the fruit to brown rot. Only a few missed the bottle altogether and I had to cut bits off a few. Regards, Peter.
organic food
I think, more than any scientific data on the breakdown of particles of food, if the grower concentrates on becoming the healthiest person he can be, brimming with vitality himself. His farm or orchard or garden (ideally) shimmering with energy and good health, then his customers, his visitors, everyone who comes in contact with him is bound to notice the vast difference between themselves and him. It's like those Bowflex (exercise machine) commercials, by showing viewers how it works for 'them', they can envision what benefits to themselves might be. They could be saying buy my sweaty gym shoes, and you, too will feel the difference. and people will do it just to emulate the people they see (that they want to look and feel like.) If you constantly tell everyone what horrible things chemicals do to our land, our waterways, our foodstuffs, they'll eventually turn it all off. What can I do, after all, what difference does ONE person make? But, if you show them what a difference it makes TO one person, they'll come in for a taste, and probably come back for more. Martha Wells~Flylo Farms~ Texas Zone 8
More Sheldrake Opportunities
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OT bird habit
lso, male finches have the habit of attacking their mirror images Here, it's Cardinals, usually the males but often even the hens will put up a fiesty fight with theirselves in window reflections, etc. I had to cut the branches of an oak tree back to keep one youngster from pounding his head into my bedroom window last year. He'd sit on a close branch and dive bomb into the glass so hard I thought either the glass or his head would give way. By cutting the tree back, he had to project himself much farther and ended up fluttering against the window rather than going full-throttle. I'm sure the males see it as a rival, but I have no idea what angers the hens so much. Martha Wells~Flylo Farms~ Texas Zone 8
Re: organic food
Allan - Why not use a refractometer? Have a chart available explaining what Brix is. Challenge your customers to find produce with a higher Brix reading than yours. Ron Ron - As far as I know, objectively speaking, there is no proof that brix represents anything other than a higher sugar content. It tastes good, fer sure. And I personally believe that brix is n indicator of plant health. However, I cannot expect the man on the street to believe that nor, can I, in good conscience, tell him that BRIX readings are meaningful, in the sense we are looking at. -Allan
Re: water as information
Water is a big topic, Flo. So I'm not going to summarize the concepts and document the resources right now. Time is limited. I volunteer with the National Water Center here in the Ozarks. NWC, after years of ecological activitism and subsequent burn-out, now takes a Zen approach to water in all of her aspects. You can see my web collaboration with NWC, and you see my vibrational water links, as a starting point. National Water Center http://www.nationalwatercenter.org/ Vibrational Water http://www.nationalwatercenter.org/vibrational_water.htm Well, to think of water as a carrier of information and energetic quality, link together all of the work of Masaro Emoto, Viktor Schauberger, Dr. Fritz Popp, Dr. David Schweitzer, Center for Implosion Research, Russian research, Japanese water systems, qualitative analysis methods, etc. Peace, Steve Diver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve, You said: water as a carrier of information and energetic quality to the vital quality of foods. I know how I 'feel' about the way water works, but would you care to elaborate about this sentence? It's supposed to rain again tomorrow, my sea of mud has finally receded enough i can wade through my gateways w/out sinking to my knees. I suspect that will end with the next rainfall. But, I've been wondering about the benefits of this excess water, especially as it's pooling and carrying manure and some topsoil off to places that probably needed it anyhow. Would this be one way it shares/carries information? (Besides the obvious, giving nutritional benefit to plant roots. ) To long-term BD practitioners, 'potensizing' means stirring and (gradually) adding to a larger body of water or other carrier. To someone like myself, I have a hard time getting around the fact that it seems more like diluting than strengthening. Note: Actually, I'm beginning to understand the principles behind stirring, etc, adding your intent to a project, but explaining to someone else who may be involved is very hard for this novice. Martha Wells~Flylo Farms~ Texas Zone 8
Re: organic food
From Arden Andersen's Science in Agriculture: It has repeatedly been shown that insect pests are correlated to the nutritional imbalance in the crop and are readily curtailed or eliminated by raising the nutritional density and refractometer reading of the cropSome people contend that the refractometer is not a valid indicator of plant and soil health. In every case I have encountered in which a consultant, farmer or fertilizer dealer has made such a statement, I have found that he has been unable to get the refractometer reading of the crop to increase and therefore contends that the concept of using a refractometer to assess plant and soil health was invalid.(191). Within a given species of plant, the crop with the higher refractive index will have a higher sugar content, higher mineral content, higher protein content and a higher specific gravity or density. This adds up to a sweeter tasting, more minerally nutritious food with a lower nitrate and water content and better storage. (362). But maybe Andersen's too much of a fringe 'expert'!? -Original Message- From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 12:48 PM Subject: Re: organic food Allan - Why not use a refractometer? Have a chart available explaining what Brix is. Challenge your customers to find produce with a higher Brix reading than yours. Ron Ron - As far as I know, objectively speaking, there is no proof that brix represents anything other than a higher sugar content. It tastes good, fer sure. And I personally believe that brix is n indicator of plant health. However, I cannot expect the man on the street to believe that nor, can I, in good conscience, tell him that BRIX readings are meaningful, in the sense we are looking at. -Allan
Organic food with higher Brix
Dear Allan Sorry for my intromission , Brix , mesures all solids that are soluble on the plant not only the sugars , including minerals, protein , these with the higher sugar give a sweeter tasting if soil is in god conditions , crops with higher Brix produce more alcool for the micobiology , tastes better , are more insects resistant, and better shelf life. But in grass witch I work is hard to extract the liquid sample, normaly you use the intermidiate leaf of the pant. Reams realy worked with this indicater , it?s e excelent help on the field.For my experience here in Brazil normal frech milk reads +/- 12 , animals that are in a Organic managment can read +/- 14 and have a clear line witch is related to stabilaty on the liquid .I know it?s hard but the man that is in the field begains to convince himself and than he goes to tell the outhers.In The book Farming for the 21 century there is a lot of information. Sorry again , and also for my spelling , Alberto Machado Allan - Why not use a refractometer? Have a chart available explaining what Brix is. Challenge your customers to find produce with a higher Brix reading than yours. Ron Ron - As far as I know, objectively speaking, there is no proof that brix represents anything other than a higher sugar content. It tastes good, fer sure. And I personally believe that brix is n indicator of plant health. However, I cannot expect the man on the street to believe that nor, can I, in good conscience, tell him that BRIX readings are meaningful, in the sense we are looking at. -Allan
RES: Dairy cows even in N.Z.
-Mensagem original- De: Alberto Machado [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviada em: quarta-feira, 12 de março de 2003 10:22 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Assunto: Dairy cows even in N.Z. Prioridade: Alta Please don´t forget the genetics of these animal´s they have beingdoing a wonderful wrk by selecting Frisio , and Jersey for pasture for a long time and the way they use to eveluate a animal is quit different : http://www.newzealandgenetics.com ; and http://www.aeu.org.nz Livestock Improvement New Zealand If one looks at the health factor of herds of dairy cows even in N.Z. it is remarkable the difference in vet costs and how quickly that change can take place, one can be in no doubt that consuming organic foods are conciderably more beneficial to the health of the consumer. With dairy cows one is dealing with a shorter life span than for humans. Cows can not hop on their bikes and go down town for their favourite fast food meal!! like humans can so that makes a study much easier to monitor. They haven't got access to the supermarket and all the tempting bargains either. I don't know of anyone who has done such a study at university level, do you? Perhaps someone can persuade a student to look at this question for a Master Of Science degree. My partner Gill is looking at the nutritional aspects of organic v/s conventional with lettuces as the study plant and reports amoung other things that protein is significantly ellevated where the biodynamic remedies have been used. She should be finnished her degree at the end of June. We are having autumn in N.Z. and in our part good heavy autumn rain has arrived right on shedule for golden queen peach harvest. Like many soft and stone fruit that get good rain just before harvest time splitting and rotting procede apace. This year I got busy with one of the sprays we make in the lab. (Glen Atkinson's sprays are now being marketed as B.D.Max by a new sales company of that name). Root max in the afternoon and Ripemax in the morning. The splitting slowed right down then stopped.I picked most of the fruit for bottleing. The first run had a brix of seven, the last two 16 and fifteen. No sugar or honey was used and all the fruit looked green before peeling and many after peeling too. A few leaves of stevia were added to each brew. When chopped up less than a level teaspoon. Without the use of these homoeopathic remedies I would have expected to loose more than half the fruit to brown rot. Only a few missed the bottle altogether and I had to cut bits off a few. Regards, Peter.
Re: water as information
Well, to think of water as a carrier of information and energetic quality, link together all of the work of Masaro Emoto, Viktor Schauberger, Dr. Fritz Popp, Dr. David Schweitzer, Center for Implosion Research, Russian research, Japanese water systems, qualitative analysis methods, etc. Peace, Steve Diver Schwenk, Jennifer Green. A. Wilkens, M. Jacobi W. Schwenk, Understanding Water, Anthroposophic Press, 2002 I highly reccomend- its filled with diagrams and photos. From Institut für Strömungswissenschaften (Institute for Flow Sciences) in the Black Forrest of Sussex. Christy
Re: Chromas and humus Was Electronic homeopathy for plants.
- Original Message - From: James Hedley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 10:21 PM Subject: Re: Chromas and humus Was Electronic homeopathy for plants. Dear Lloyd, The idea that potentised preps stay put as proposed by Glen does not agree with my understanding and use of radionically prepared substances. It would appear you are indentifying an essential difference between Potentised and radionic preps - all the more reason to be clear in their naming when discussing them. By their very nature of application I would expect radionic preps to radiate. re potentised preps radiation , please inspect the pictures on my website, especially the Kale trials, where three plants, side by side, from the same punnet have been sprayed differently with 3 different outcomes. When I first began using pot. preps and spread them with a brush I had green strips across the lawn, which did not even out. (This was done 12 years ago and similiar results have occurred since) This was the first hint. I recently did trials on coriander, very close together which have shown the same effect. We also have on video -CD available- the results of some spring spraying where there is a distinct line in the paddock between the sprayed and unsprayed areas. One is dairy pasture the other is all off to seed. No diffused area whatsover. The results and pictures speak for themselves. What is your explanation if you do not accept these pictures proposal? If radionic preps stayed put you would not be able to use a small amount in your BC and expect it to permeate through the whole mix. It would just be a few drops scattered amongst the compost. if there was not a radiational effect Glen would not be able to claim that his possum retardant can be mixed into sand and a handful thrown out every 20 metres or so. The story above is from Peter Bacchus who was spreading unpotentised possum ash. Which no doubt has a radiation effect. Over the last 10 months I have been spraying pot. possum preps , not peppers, and it is obvious from the possum trails leading into and out of the tree on the edge of the sprayed area, that traffic in is normal from two directions - as seen in tracks thru long grass- however the track to the house from the tree was difficult to see, hence little to no use. Sadly I did not video this before the grass was eaten off. Supposing that you were to dilute a litre of preps from Glen, in whatever amount of water that he suggests, if the homoeopathic preps had no radiational effect on the rest of the water why would you dilute it. Is the water just a carrier or does something happen to the water. It seems to me that the memory pattern from the potentised preps permeates the medium through osmosis. Yes the water is acting as a carrier of the potentised preps. It is mixing with and being carried by, no doubt there is some combining into the memory function of the water. Where it carries it to though, is were it stays. Thus we suggest fine sprays over the area to be treated. with regards potentised weed peppers, many people make these and they are sprayed around with a fine spray usually. Peter has a dairy farming client who did Ragwort last year with some pretty amazing results. Maybe he can tell us more about this with regards to seed germination? regards Glen A
FW: [globalnews] Meditators: NOW is the time to combinemeditation with action 24/7
Dear Friends, I hesitated in sending this, because I promised myself, no more forwards from GN. However, I think the basic message of this piece, is totally germaine to Bd Farmers gardeners and anyone connected to vibrational healing. The author posits, that now is the time to combine our acitivities of daily life with our spiritual ideals practice. Farmers are lucky, in that along with all the hard physical labor they do, they are also connected with the land and hence, closer to spirit, IMHO. Of course, I am not talking about industrial farms here. JS --- Leigh Tremaine The World Healing Project http://www.worldhealing.co.uk/whp/usingwhs.html Like the current crisis befalling humanity, this bulletin is a wakeup call to all of us to say NO to war, not just in thought or meditation or passing conversation, but in real action. The imperialist war machine fronted by Bush and Blair only exists because the people - us - give it the power it needs to survive. That power might be the taxes we pay, the politicians we elect, the jobs we carry out for the Government and its agencies, or it may be our own silence and inactivity as we sink into apathy and unconsciousness. Thanks to the efforts of healers, lightworkers, meditators, and alternative thinkers, we now have a substantial shift of consciousness on the planet, which means that the days of withdrawal into meditation are becoming less important. What is important now is to become an active, walking meditator, for without action, nothing materialises. For those of us who are used to retreating into our quiet spaces to meditate, this may present a big challenge to us, but it can no longer be avoided if we are to turn the world around towards greater peace and healing. Being an active, walking meditator means ensuring that all our activities and choices are congruent with the ideals and truths we hold in our peace meditations. It means that our every activity and choice is an extension of our meditation. It means acting and choosing with greater, focused awareness, so that we express the truth of our inner light, rather than live a bi-polar life. We are all responsible for whether peace or war breaks out, because we all involved in the current situation befalling humanity. The choice to be silent and inactive when a murderous war is being plotted by a confused and disturbed minority is a choice to collude with that war and those plotting it. Therefore, let us see the current world crisis as a personal opportunity for peace, and let us not see Bush and Blair as our enemies - however much we disapprove of or hate their behaviour - but as our greatest teachers. War is planned for a week's time, on March 17, a few hours before the Virgo Full Moon. The Virgo Full Moon represents an opportunity to serve for the good of others, but it also represents the blind duty of service - like the soldiers who believe they serve their country by going to war. I suggest that one of the things to hold in the forefront of our minds at this time is an awareness of what and who we are serving through our daily thoughts and actions, and who benefits, and to look at how we can serve the highest good of all, the spiritual self-realisation of humanity. Mars rides through Capricorn teaching the lessons of responsible will. These lessons are not just for those who would abuse their authority by waging war, but for those who would support the war, or fail to act to stop war. I have heard it said by lightworkers that war can be a good thing because it brings things to the fore to be learnt from. While there is some cold truth in this, the problem with this reasoning is that wars have gone on for centuries and still we have yet to learn and heal the disease that perpetrates it. So I pray that this reasoning is not used to excuse inactivity amongst those who say they stand for peace. For me, March 15 Washington Convergence will be more important than the Harmonic Convergence of 1987, for waking up to spirituality counts for little if we remain spiritual prisoners in a materialistic world. We came to this Earth not simply to evolve our consciousness, but to inhabit a body that would provide us with the lesson of evolving our consciousness through physical action. Why else would we have a hand that could either caress another with love, or pull a trigger to destroy life? The good news is that the peace movement is growing. Leigh Tremaine
Re: Chromas and humus Was Electronic homeopathy for plants.
Dear Glen and James Can we take the definitions just a bit further please - maybe we can save confusing people any further. I am sloppy with language - my Granma used to chastise me for it when I was a kid and I have not improved much! So some of this is undoudtedly due to that. # Glen - When you say potentised preps is that specifically potentised by dilution and sucussion? # When I talk of radionically prepared preps I mean things that are potentised by instrument but are then applied by spraying out onto a target . I have assumed that both of the above stay where you put them and was hoping that your work would support that assumption in both cases. (this has important implications for how we use these) #Application of either of the above by radionic broadcast of any type I would expect to radiate out to boundaries and be difficult to keep from effecting small areas (test plots) within the broader boundary. Does this make sense? does this agree with your experience or have I strayed somewhere? You have been doing this a lot longer than me and I would appreciate your guidance Thanks Lloyd Charles
Re: Organic food with higher Brix
From: Alberto Machado Sorry for my intromission , Brix , mesures all solids that are soluble on the plant not only the sugars , including minerals, protein , these with the higher sugar give a sweeter tasting if soil is in god conditions , crops with higher Brix produce more alcool for the micobiology , tastes better , are more insects resistant, and better shelf life. But in grass witch I work is hard to extract the liquid sample, normaly you use the intermidiate leaf of the pant. Hi Alberto Thanks for your contribution on brix - do not worry about your spelling you bring us good information - keep up the good work. We use the refractometer a lot and if you are having trouble getting a sap sample from grass plants I use a pair of modified vice grip pliers that work really well. If you like to send me a fax number offlist then I can fax you the drawing of these pliers and you could make a pair. (or have some made) They dont cost much to make and really do work. Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: NOW: I'm looking for Articles on CSA
Hi Allan, Have you tried bioneers.org? Pat A quality holistic health publication that has just started in Washington, DC (Integrated Health) has asked me for an article on CSA for their next issue. The rub is that the deadline is this Friday. This means that I have to find an article that I can get permission to have reprinted and submit that to them. The best slant of the article w.b. one that hilights the value of CSA to people in holistic health care situations. This is about food quality and the healing quality of food rather than about social interactions and economics. Any ideas? Thanks -Allan
It's a Beautiful Day, streaming along
Check it out. It's a Beautiful Day http://www.ipa.net/~steved/audio/ http://www.ipa.net/~steved/audio/rss_beautiful_day.htm I tested this on somebody else's computer, so I feel comfortable sending it back for playing and viewing. There is a file you have to point in the right direction. The RealSlideShow program is simple. It weaves slides and audio/music together and, through streaming media, it comes out in sequence. Yets, RSS has fallen into the Legacy archives. So I don't think you can even purchase the Plus version any longer, which would allow the addition of text on top of the slides. Maybe you'll get an idea how to display images and audio from your farming and gardening projects. Streaming along the banks of another beautiful day, Steve Diver === The other RSS samples: Wes Jackson Speaks at Asilomar The 20th Annual Ecological Farming Conference January 19 through 22, 2000 http://www.lifesignsphoto.com/SShow/EFarm2000/Wes/wesa.htm Baby, I Just Got the Blues an online video* by one blue nine *actually a glorified multimedia slide show.. http://ghostcity.tripod.com/obn_justgotblues_sldshw.html The download site: RealSlideShow Basic http://forms.real.com/rnforms/products/tools/slideshowbasic/index.html?key=75VG61047058248 === ===
Re: organic foods higher in healthy compounds
Forwarding from SANET -- more on phytochemicals ++ ---BeginMessage--- Yes, it is good to see results published, which seem intuitive in the first place. Polyphenolics, mentioned in the press release, are part of a large class of compounds known as phytochemicals. There is a very interesting paper that reviews these compounds in the following journal article. Dillard, Cora J. and J. Bruce German. 2000. Phytochemicals: Nutraceuticals and human health. J. of Science of Food Agric. Vol. 80: 1744-1756. It was in this paper, or another, where I gathered these numbers: 50,000 compounds in plants 5,000 10,000 compounds metabolites in plant foods For example: Phenolics Flavonoids, catechins gallic acids, isoflavonoids, anthocyanins Terpenoids ___Tocotrienols and tocopherols, carotenoids, limonids, phytosterols Alkaloids ___Glucosinolates, indoles Foods have a vast and complex composition. Intuitively, it seems natural to see a relationship between food composition of greater complexity and beneficial characteristics from a holistic farming system, in comparison to conventional agriculture based on inputs of NPK and pesticides. Here is the paper from Alyson Mitchell et al, as quoted in the press release: Comparison of the Total Phenolic and Ascorbic Acid Content of Freeze-Dried and Air-Dried Marionberry, Strawberry, and Corn Grown Using Conventional, Organic, and Sustainable Agricultural Practices Danny K. Asami, Yun-Jeong Hong, Diane M. Barrett, and Alyson E. Mitchell J. Agric. Food Chem.; 2003; 51(5) pp 1237 - 1241 http://pubs3.acs.org/acs/journals/doilookup?in_doi=10.1021/jf020635c Abstract: Secondary phenolic metabolites play an important role in plant defense mechanisms, and increasing evidence indicates that many are important in human health. To date, few studies have investigated the impact of various agricultural practices on levels of secondary plant metabolites. To address this issue, the total phenolic (TP) content of marionberries, strawberries, and corn grown by sustainable, organic, or conventional cultural practices were measured. Additionally, the effects of three common postharvest processing treatments (freezing, freeze-drying, and air-drying) on the TP content of these agricultural products were also investigated. Statistically higher levels of TPs were consistently found in organically and sustainably grown foods as compared to those produced by conventional agricultural practices. In all samples, freeze-drying preserved higher levels of TPs in comparison with air-drying. Keywords: Phenolics; ascorbic acid; sustainable agriculture; organic agriculture; conventional agriculture; strawberry; corn; marionberry In the conclusions you learn that sustainably-grown food products had higher total phenolic content than organic, and both were higher than conventional. Regards, Steve Diver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: an interesting report (below) comments? David === Date: 3/10/2003 10:58:42 PM EST Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Report confirms benefits of organic food Washington - Organically grown crops contain more healthy compounds than conventional crops, perhaps because they are not exposed to pesticides, American researchers reported on Friday. Tests on organically and sustainably grown berries and corn showed they contain up to 58 percent more polyphenolics, compounds that act as antioxidants and may protect cells against damage that can lead to heart disease and cancer. ---End Message---
Re: NOW: I'm looking for Articles on CSA
Hi Allan, Have you tried bioneers.org? Pat uh-uh. What did you have in mind? _Allan
Re: It's a Beautiful Day, streaming along
Picked it up great! Even on my very slow internet connect speed (24000bps) Who is the girl in the purple skirt, and is that Angel Trumpet she's pointing at? The flowforms are gorgeous and so is the rest of the photography. thanks for sharing Martha Wells~Flylo Farms~ Texas Zone 8
Re: organic food
I should have thought of this earlier - the best argument for biologically grown foods that I've heard in a while was a presentation given by Jerry Brunetti at Acres this past year titled go to the Farm, not the Pharmacy. Tape of the talk available from Acres. The May 2002 issue of Acres had an interview with Jerry and a copy can be found on the Acres web site in the 'tool box' section. -Original Message- From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 10:31 PM Subject: Re: organic food But don't look for more studies as the magic elixir that will make a difference; go get all the studies and concepts that already exist and you will have a powerful statement, as is. Steve - Without the studies, everything you mention can be brushed off as advertising. My request doesn't come out of thin air, it is the request of someone who is actively marketing locally and has been doing it for some time. It is also the request of a person who is standing separate from federal organic certification who feels that he should have at least a few studies to show the superiority of food that's grown WITH nature rather than wrested out of Nature. I don't want to make 'promises' to people, I want to show them that what I 'believe' can actually be demonstrated, either through trials or through lab work. Where are these studies that you speak of? I hope you have a list of them because I have yet to find any that show a substantial enough difference between BD food and conventional food for me to be anything but embarassed because I talk about our food being superior. I also work with pastured livestock. I have to tell you that the documentation posted at EatWild.com does an incredible job of clinching sales. People can related to concepts like CLAs readily. Pretty soon, they know exacty what is missing in chainstore foods. That's what I want: something I can point at that substantially differentiates 'our food' from 'theirs.' Here I'm talking about talking to people who cannot see, touch, smell or taste our wonderful, delicate produce. -Allan
Fwd: Georgia: SAVE THE RULE - KEEP ORGANIC ORGANIC
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 03:13:15 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Georgia: SAVE THE RULE - KEEP ORGANIC ORGANIC To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Feb 2003 09:19:00.0968 (UTC) FILETIME=[43B08E80:01C2DE41] Hello High, Last week Congress passed an appropriations bill which overturns USDA regulations requiring all organic livestock to be fed 100% organic feed. *Take Action - to Protect The integrity of Organic Standards* Senator Leahy (D-VT) is introducing the Organic Restoration Act to repeal this rider along with Representative Sam Farr (D-CA) in the House. Both of these bills were introduced on February 26, 2003. Co-sponsors are needed ASAP in the House AND Senate - both Republicans and Democrats. For the repeal bill to be successful, we must generate a lot of interest and public comment on the Organic Restoration Act all across the nation. It is important that everyone - farmers, consumers, environmentalists, and the entire organic industry - talk to their members of Congress and get them on board in supporting the Organic Restoration Act. We must stand up to this blatant attempt by agribusiness to have their way with the organic standards. What You Can Do - Take Action!** Contact your representatives in Washington and demand that support the Organic Restoration Act to repeal the language inserted into Section 771 of the Omnibus Appropriations Bill undermining the integrity of the organic label for meat, poultry, eggs and dairy. The message is simple: Urge your Senators and Representatives to support the Organic Restoration Act that was introduced by Senator Patrick Leahy and Representative Sam Farr to repeal Section 771 of the Omnibus Appropriations Bill. Repealing this section is in the interest of consumers, organic farmers and the environment. Repealing this section will encourage continued growth of organic agricultural production in the United States, one of the bright prospects for U.S. agriculture overall. You can find your Senator here - http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm You can find your Representative here - http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW_by_State.html Representative Farr's office has asked that we target the following Representatives, if you know of folks that live in their states please forward on this email to them. Allen Boyd, Jr. (D-FL/2) 202-225-5235 Agriculture Aide:Charla Penn Jerold Nadler (D-NY/8) 202-225-5635 Agriculture Aide: Kisette Morton Dennis Rehberg (R-MT) 202-225-3211 Chief of Staff: Erik Iverson Jim McDermott (D-WA/7) 202-225-3106 Agriculture Aide: Sean Hughes Wayne Gilchrest (R-MD/1) 202-225-5311 Agriculture Aide: Jeri Finke Please also let your local health food store know what you are doing. Tell them to carry NO products by Fieldale Farms, the company in GA that instigated this movement to gut the organic livestock feed standards. They also produce poultry under the Springer Mountain Farms and Redding labels. STAY TUNED TO OUR WEBSITE IN THE COMING DAYS FOR MORE INFORMATION AND SPREAD THE WORD FAR AND WIDE!!! Tom Taylor Field Organizer Organic Consumers Association Tel: 612-331-7309 Fax: 612-331-7483 [EMAIL PROTECTED] PLEASE FORWARD THIS EMAIL TO YOUR FRIENDS WHO WOULD BE INTERESTED. == You may review your subscription information with the OCA http://www.organicconsumers.org/update.htm You are subscribed as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (if you forgot your password, there is a link to retrieve it). You can then update your listing and select the type(s) of OCA activities that interest you (or unsubscribe). Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: organic food
About a billion years ago (1972 to be exact) I worked in Houston at a petro-chem plant. (So, sue me, I learned a lot there.) One of the scientists developed his own strain of 'bugs', those enzymes that devoured the chemicals in the outflow water ponds. (bug ponds, I found I had a real gift in keeping these 'bugs' alive and healthy.) Anyhow, during his experiments, he was not allowed to describe anything according to smell, taste, texture. Everything HAD to be according to preordained formulations that anyone could read and understand. At the time I really griped about the unnecessary regulations but now, I think I see how it would benefit even the biodynamic producers. SEE the depth of color, not allowed. SMELL the aroma of healthy herbs and produce, kicked out. Because it's not a universal test. I don't know the universal tests for the standards, but I'm just playing devil's advocate in anyone's findings (before the naysayers can do it.) If they can't prove it in a test tube or petrie dish, it's probably not going to hold up unless the 'real world' recognises the value of intangible things. Martha Wells~Flylo Farms~ Texas Zone 8
Re: Chromas and humus Was Electronic homeopathy for plants.
# Glen - When you say potentised preps is that specifically potentised by dilution and sucussion? Yes prepared physically by hand. I can not really help you with radionically applied either by spray or device, and their effect, as I have not had alot of experience of them. The few tests I have done with my physically potentised preps and radionic versions - via square box- of the same, produced very different results in me when I have taken them. The radionic preps effect was minimal compared to the physical pot prep. I need to do more trials on this before I am convinced Radionic preps and potentised preps are the same thing. Can someone provide some picture evidence of the effect on plants re radionic preps verses control please, ala those on my website / Case Studies? cheers GA # When I talk of radionically prepared preps I mean things that are potentised by instrument but are then applied by spraying out onto a target . I have assumed that both of the above stay where you put them and was hoping that your work would support that assumption in both cases. (this has important implications for how we use these) #Application of either of the above by radionic broadcast of any type I would expect to radiate out to boundaries and be difficult to keep from effecting small areas (test plots) within the broader boundary. Does this make sense? does this agree with your experience or have I strayed somewhere? You have been doing this a lot longer than me and I would appreciate your guidance Thanks Lloyd Charles
Re: UPDATE ON HUGH IN OZ?
Dear Lloyd, People will get into these things, and the more dangerous the more appeal they seem to have. People have been seriously injured with (functional) cloudbusters. What they need to do is study up on ether first so they know something of their peril, understand how the cloudbuster works and can do good with it instead of harm. This isn't standard physics yet, so I'm not sure where they might go to get educated outside of folks like yourself or myself. Best wishes, Hugh - Original Message - From: Hugh Lovel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 11:19 AM Subject: Re: UPDATE ON HUGH IN OZ? Dear Lloyd, et. al., Just a word as I try going through my e-mail now that I'm back home. Cloudbusters? I drew this all out at Albury. These are extremely powerful--and dangerous--orgone devices. Dear Hugh Thanks for the thoughts but I think you misread my post (understandable, I can imagine the amount of mail you faced when you got back) Just so you dont think I have gone off the rails here is what I wrote about the cloudbuster guys On a different tack I was contacted by a fellow yesterday who is in a group building a cloudbuster - west of me - I had not thought about this much but if there is one in that town then based on population there would be five of them around Albury - SCARY HEY! I AM AIMING TO MEET THESE GUYS (thats the group that rang me) AND ATTEMPT TO DISSUADE THEM FROM USING THE THING. Maybe if one knew what one was doing. I'm quite sure these fellows dont know what they are doing and they are west of me so are messing around with the weather that directly affects us. Cheers Lloyd Charles Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Fwd: biodynamic
Reply-To: William Ammons [EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: William Ammons [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: biodynamic Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 22:03:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Hi...My name is Will Ammons and I have the intention to create a therapeutic, educational farm in North Carolina and would love to learn more about biodynamics. Are there any biodynamic farmers in central nc? Is there a group that meets in the area? Thanks... Will Ammons [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
Re: Chromas and humus Was Electronic homeopathy for plants.
Hi Glen Thanks for the reply # Glen - When you say potentised preps is that specifically potentised by dilution and sucussion? Yes prepared physically by hand. I still have a lot of my chemical farmer mentality hanging around in the background - if I made -say - a weed pepper hand potentised how much quantity of it would I need to put into my 1300litre spray tank to cover 26 hectares? Cheryl tells me 10 drops is enough and while in theory I can say she may be right, I have a mental problem with ten drops. I can not really help you with radionically applied either by spray or device, and their effect, as I have not had alot of experience of them. Looks like I need to trial this at home. Can someone provide some picture evidence of the effect on plants re radionic preps verses control please, ala those on my website / Case Studies? I might have a couple of good pictures soon that would help with this, can I email them to you. (thats if i can get them scanned in properly) cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: On topic: physical and etheric bodies of plants15
At 12:00 PM 3/9/2003 -0500, Christy wrote: So a really basic question (s) - The etheric body of a plant is its own, along with the physical body, but it has no astral body (otherwise it would have mobility and what else? Organs. Little bits of the outside captured inside the physical body. Like when the developing embryo forms an invagitation, then rolls in a bit of the outside skin. That first capture becomes the neural tube, the beginnings of the nervous system. From that grows all the sensory organs and brain -- that which has the ability to reflect the outer world because it starts by capturing a bit of it. The organs develop as astral centers, internalizing some of the outside -- while for plants, all that astral stuff stays outside. Then because the animal has it's own astral centers, it can be mobile. So, the astral body that hovers around it does that belong to the plant? Yes, tho I think it is more of a group astral. It reaches into the plant for flowering/ fruiting processes but the plant is always reaching for it. Think of those hollow center diagrams where the plants reaches toward the focal point but never gets there. David Robison Stellar Processes 1033 SW Yamhill Suite 405 Portland, OR 97205 (503) 827-8336 http://www.ezsim.com/>www.ezsim.com Dears, Right. I wouldn't say the astral body that hovers around the plant belongs to the plant. First of all the astrality that hovers around the plant--the flies, crickets, ants, bees and larger animals are a pretty diverse group. The bee that visits blossoms doesn't exactly belong to the plant, but rather it gives some time and attention to the plant. The elemental that lives in a rock or spring or tree maybe belongs to the plant, and each species of plant has its deva or guiding spirit. Maybe to that extent there is a certain astrality that belong to the plant. But these things don't quite have physical bodies like the plant does and they depend on the plant to fulfill that function. Seems to me, Hugh Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
