RE: [Berner-l] Not getting posts
Caroline, Nope! You did nothing wrong! I've found out what the problem might be, but I'm not positive quite yet. Apparently once you go over 200 members, Yahoo puts your membership list in another category, and updates are no longer instantaneous, but are usually hourly. If they are doing some other work, the updates may take several days. So, I'm going to try to stick with Yahoo for now. What that means is that when you join, it may take awhile before you can set your mail preference. In the meantime, you can go to the berner-l group and read the emails there on the web. You can post to the List. But you won't necessarily be able to receive email without a bit of a delay. Once everyone is on the List and we're up and running, it won't be a problem (she said optimistically), it's just the initial setup that will be a growing pain for us all. The other option is to use a different email list. Which is likely to have some growing pains of its own. I wish I could find my magic wand and convert everyone transparently, but I've misplaced it somewhere. Thank you all for being patient, we will get there!!! Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA
RE: Not getting posts
Andie, You've seen Maggie's chair, haven't you!! VBG http://www.jersey.net/~mountaindog/berner1/chair.htm Pat I'll bet your Berner ate it. Andie Reid and Tugboat and Steamboat (did someone say eat something? I could eat something! I'm famished! Honest, Mom!) I wish I could find my magic wand and convert everyone transparently, but I've misplaced it somewhere. Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA
BMDCA Code of Conduct
Just a reminder that September 10th is the deadline for getting comments and feedback in to the committee that worked hard to develop a new code to consider. I'd love to find out that just as many people wrote in with their comments about the COC as people who wrote in about Bernd's new book. The publisher had over 200 responses, and I'd love to hear that at least that many BMDCA club members took the time to read and comment on the proposed COC. To those of you who have already given feedback, thank you! I have long wanted to see a more meaningful code for the club, and it cannot be done without the consensus and support of the membership. Each thoughtful comment is helpful. If you support it, let them know! If you don't support it, give them some specifics. They are doing this work for all of us, and the very least we can do is to assist them in those efforts. I've seen the complaints about the club not having a strong meaningful code, and this is our chance to have some input. To read the proposed code and for information about how to submit comments, go to: http://www.bmdca.org/coc/intro.pdf or just go to www.bmdca.org under the section Announcements. Pat Long Berwyn PA
Yahoo Groups
For anyone who has signed up for Yahoo over the weekend, I think there is some sort of problem. Your email address is not on the member list, and one person who changed the setting for the list did not have it take effect. So I'm hoping it will resolve soon!!! Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA
RE: Reminder to switch to YahooGroups!
David, Yes! HTML on the yahoogroup Berner-L is legal! And it shouldn't create any problem for people who get the digest, but I'll keep an eye on that. Be nice to us though - full color backgrounds and wild fonts are still difficult for many people to read! My aging eyes aren't what they used to be! Of course, they never were what they used to be... Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA -Original Message- From: David Sandler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] There is a choice for receiving in html. Is that legal now? -Original Message- From: Pat Long Paul Dangel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] We need to migrate everyone over to the new Berner-L. For those of you who are not familiar with yahoogroups, I don't think it will be difficult for you, honest! You'll need to sign up for an account, go to: http://www.yahoogroups.com Once you are signed up, you can search for the group Berner-L and go ahead and join. Or you can join by sending an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Berner-L on Prairienet will be discontinued by the end of September.
Reminder to switch to YahooGroups!
We need to migrate everyone over to the new Berner-L. For those of you who are not familiar with yahoogroups, I don't think it will be difficult for you, honest! You'll need to sign up for an account, go to: http://www.yahoogroups.com Once you are signed up, you can search for the group Berner-L and go ahead and join. Or you can join by sending an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Berner-L on Prairienet will be discontinued by the end of September. Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA
BERNER-L - time to take drastic measures
The time has come, the Walrus said... sorry. It's one of my favorite poems. The SoBig virus did us in, well - it did in Prairienet. We generated over 40% of their volume there for awhile, and the decision was made to have Berner-L leave Prairienet by the end of September. (Compounding this move is my 10 day vacation to Scotland starting next week. Timing is everything!) The Berner-L has been on Prairienet since the very beginning, and I'm going to miss the help and the kindness that they have provided. The List Manager, Karen, has this to say: Please pass on to everyone the list Prairienet's and my thanks for their support over the years and wish everyone and their Berners the best. We will always have Bernie and Bernice the life-size plush Berners to remind us of BERNER-L! But for now, we need to migrate everyone over to the new Berner-L. Thanks to Jean Cheesman who was much more long-sighted than I was, she reserved Berner-L on yahoogroups. For those of you who are not familiar with yahoogroups, I don't think it will be difficult for you, honest! You'll need to sign up for an account, go to: http://www.yahoogroups.com Once you are signed up, you can search for the group Berner-L and go ahead and join. Or you can join by sending an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm going to be starting out slowly here, I've not managed a yahoogroup, so the files and photo section are limited access for now. The rules are the same, and those rules will be sent out in a welcome message when you join. So welcome aboard, and many thanks to Prairienet for getting us started so many years ago, and for keeping us going in spite of the strains we've placed on them over the years! And a special thanks to you, Karen! May your garden always be in bloom!! Pat Long, ( Luther) Berwyn PA
New Berner Book Available!
This is cross posted on request! Thank you to all who wrote in about this one!! Pat --- Dear Friends of the Bernese Mountain Dog On behalf of Dr. Bernd Guenter and Doral Publishing, Inc., I wish to thank all of you who gave your time and shared your thoughts about what kind of new book would best serve the Bernese fancy. The verdict of over 200 responses was nearly unanimous for a Coffee Table type book including many large color photos. We listened and heard your choice. Therefore, effective this date, Doral Publishing will be offering Bernd¹s NEW English language Coffee Table Book for pre-order. There is a 20% discount for pre-orders. The pre-order discount will be good until October 31, 2003 We will offer two versions of the book. The regular edition will be priced at $59.95; your discounted price is $47.96. A Premier edition will also be offered with a dust jacket as a special limited numbered series (300 copies) autographed by the author. In later years these should become collectors items. These will be priced at $75.00. Your discounted price is $60.00 We will begin to take orders NOW for both books. Once the Premier edition has been sold out, no more copies of this version will be available. Shipping/Handling costs in the USA will be $4.95. Canadian orders will cost $7.00 and all other countries will be $9.00. All books shipped via US Priority Mail or Global Priority Mail. Toll Free Phone orders in the U.S and Canada call: 1-800 633-5385 Business Phone: (623) 875-2057 Website orders: www.doralpub.com
RE: JUST ONE MORE DAY.... BG Fundraiser
Joye has had entirely too much free time. I've heard nasty rumors that she's had so much free time that she could redecorate her house and even entertain friends! This must stop!! We can help solve this awful idleness!! Whatever you're doing, just STOP, and go take a look right now at: http://www.overthefence.com/helpberners/bg/ If this doesn't convince you that donating money to Berner-Garde is a good idea, just think. Your help in flooding Joye with letters and donations may keep her from taking up cross stitch or other needlework. Only we can help rescue Joye! So send those donations in now, keep her busy! Email her to let her know that your donation may be late, but send it in immediately! Thank you for your assistance in this effort. Pat Long ( Luther) President of the club: Friends of Joye Dedicated to Keeping Her Busy Berwyn PA
Lancaster Boycott
Stephanie, Thank you for posting this, and remember to boycott as well!! We've had other posts about this over the years, and I know a great many people who refuse to spend money in Lancaster. I'm hoping that Governor Rendell will help to make some changes in the conditions in that county, he's been involved with Golden Retriever rescue for many years. He's already made some new appointments that should help. Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA -Original Message- From: S. Walquist and J. Patenaude http://www.hua.org/Prisoners/millpetition1.html and sign a boycott petition.
Re: Books
And just a huge thank you to everyone, Wendy told me just the other day that we got a check for $101 from Amazon for the Health Fund - so to all those of you who have added book reviews, bought books, and especially thank you to Wendy for having the idea and setting it up - THANK YOU ALL Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA Original Message: - From: Joye Neff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anytime you want to buy any books, please go to BORIS' BOOKS to enter those websites. It costs the same price to buy books, but you are helping our Berners. _ Get MSN 8 and help protect your children with advanced parental controls. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental
Mason Dixon Fall Fun Match Oct 12 2003
Posted for Christine: Sunday October 12, 2003 Bennett Cerf Park Westminster, Maryland Rain or Shine RAFFLE. TROPHIES. RIBBONS. DOG PRIZES Light Refreshments will be available, (bring picnic lunch) Everyone is welcome- Berner owners, prospective owners, spectators, exhibitors and folks who just want to hug a Berner! *Obedience will be open to all Working Breeds and Rare Breeds! OBEDIENCE- All classes: pre-nov., nov., grad. nov., open, utility Judging begins at 10:15 am- done? Entries 9:30-10:00 am. Judge- Marie Huffman BREED- 3-6 mos., 6-9 mos., 9-12 mos., 12-18mos., Bred by exhibitor, Open, Brace, Veteran, Junior showmanship, Parade of title holders Judging begins at 1:00 pm. Entries 9:30 am- 12:30 pm. Judge- Joyce Beddow $6.00 entry fee for the 1st class and $5.00 each additional class. Please bring chairs, water, and remember to scoop your dog's poop! Please bring your donations for homeless dogs! Directions: I- 795 North from Baltimore Beltway. Go WEST on MD Rt. 140 to MD 27 NORTH to Bennett Cerf Drive. Turn left on Bennett Cerf to show site on the left. For More Info: Christine Vlassis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jill Shaeffer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Berner-Garde Fundraiser
Teresa, Here is a link: http://www.overthefence.com/helpberners/bg/#top And I'm hoping Joye is swamped with mail for the fundraiser! Of course, I'm hoping that the paintings of the puppies just get to stay here with me. If they do, I'll donate the cost of mailing them to Berner-Garde as well! It's just the selfless sort of person I am! VBG Pat Long ( Luther) Berewyn PA
RE: Berner-Garde Fundraiser
http://www.overthefence.com/helpberners/bg/ I've seen that new hand-painted etching that was donated by BARC, and it's absolutely magnificent!! It's not a big piece, but it's a real beauty! If you haven't taken a look at some of the items that are being offered, you're missing out on a very big treat! Oh, and I happen to have a jpg file of the hand painted etching by Geoffrey Lasko, so if you'd like to get a peak at it - just let me know! Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA
RE: Hello from Star and Marilynn
Forwarded for Marilyn! Hello from Star and Marilynn, (I have added to v.i.r.u.s to try and get past the filters Pat: would you please send in plain text to the L for me?) When I logged in this morning to get my emails I realized that I was getting undeliverable emails back from people I didn't know... I had updated my v.i.r.u.s. protection both a few days ago and again last night so found this surprising. I had done a full scan a few days ago plus each email is checked prior to my opening and any files attached are left out on my ISP server until I decide I want to pull them to my computer Even so I started another full scan this morning and I am clean. Just before leaving work today I received an email from out Network Security area. I have only included the first part of the information (to avoid the length restriction on the Berner-L) and have bolded the part about the sender's email address is not the person who's computer actually sent it as that will hopefully save us some PLEASE update your protection emails to people who are just as much a victim as those receiving the emails. From: Corporate Information Security Central Support is receiving many phone calls from users who have received emails that appear to be related to the Sobig.F v.i.r.u.s. This virus arrives in e-mail and includes a variety of subject lines, including Your details, Thank you!, Your application and Wicked screensaver. When the .pif or .scr attachment is opened, Sobig.F infects the computer and sends itself on to other victims using a random e-mail address from the address book.
RE: Berner E-cards
Pat, The best place for Berner e-cards would be: www.behaf.com Enjoy! Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA
New V.i.r.u.s Making the Rounds
If you don't have a v.i.r.u.s (I'm hoping filters don't catch that one, if the spam types can do it, then why can't I!) checker, get one. Keep it updated. Do it now. There's a charming little annoyance making the rounds, and I've gotten about 85 of them so far this evening. I still think boiling in oil should be brought back as a valid punishment! Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA
Re: watchung
Andrea, There is a new Watchung website, try http://www.bmdcw.org They are in the process of getting everything there, but it's looking really nice! Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Trying to find owners of some photos!
Can anyone tell me who has three Berners named Juker, Quinta, and Reika? Rachel and Scott with Berners Jersey and Indiana? Bob and Karen with a Berner named Cassie? Thanks for the help! Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA
mast cell cancer question
Reposted in plain text for Deb, please respond directly to her! Our 6 year-old Berner boy, Rudy had a mast cell tumor removed from his hind leg in October 2002. I believe the histopathology report came back staging the tumor at 3?? Anyway, the margins weren't clean and the news wasn't good. He has been doing well since then.no indication of metastasis to major organs. He has, however, developed a significant limp on the affected leg and I am wondering if this could mean something going on in the bone? I talked to the vet who performed the surgery and he seemed to think probably not..suggested we give him Etogesic. Today he will not bear weight on the leg, but really doesn't seem to be in pain. I have an appointment with a local vet tomorrow, but am anxious about the situation. Does anyone out there know if mast cell cancer could spread to the bone? Any ideas about what might be going on? I want to prepare myself for the worst and then pray for an ACL tear! Deb in Montana
RE: berner.org gallery
Do contact Hugh on this one, you never know - someone could want to use your photo for a fundraising effort. We have some great photos on the website, and I'd love to see some of them as paintings that I could win... VBG Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA -Original Message- From: Hugh Hayes at [EMAIL PROTECTED] If anyone knows the owner, or the owner themselves, of the following dogs please drop me a quick line. http://www.berner.org/gallery/denise_bueford_1.htm http://www.berner.org/gallery/Rachel_and_Scottzz_Jersey_a.htm http://www.berner.org/gallery2/Bob_and_Karenzz_BARC_Pup_Ca.htm http://www.berner.org/gallery/Juker_Quinta_Reika.htm
Lost Bernese Mountain Dog; Zionsville, PA
Cross posting by request. I don't have too many specifics, but the dog escaped from the yard and is now lost. The Berner answers to the name of Godiva, or Lovebug, and I know there must be a very desperate family out there! They have put up posters, and if anyone can help or finds the dog, please call 610-965-7901 (Pete Roland). I have a copy of the poster with a picture of Godiva. Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA
BMDCA e-list
Christine, There is a yahoogroups for BMDCA members, run by Sandie Hawkins (thank you Sandie!!), and you can ask to subscribe by sending an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA
RE: Brag
Ugo, I always love hearing about Berners passing TDI tests, I think they're one of my very favorite brags! As for the brag check, why not send it to Joye Neff for the current Berner-Garde fundraiser? I'd name that Costco Berner Brio or Briggs if I were you... http://www.overthefence.com/helpberners/bg/#top Hugs to Brio and Briggs!! Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA
RE: Old Berner List change
Doug Smith is a very special sort of person. When an idea for keeping a list of people who would want to take in an older or a special needs Berner was developed, Doug jumped right in and took on the job. He's worked hard at it over the years, and everyone knew that they could contact Doug for help in rehoming an older dog, or find a possible home for a blind dog. I didn't realize that he's helped find 15 Berners new homes, but I think that's just fantastic! People like Doug make being in Berners as rewarding an experience as it gets. Caring about the older Berners is something that I think all of us find important. But Doug went the extra step to find a way to help when help was needed. Doug - thank you! From the very bottom of my heart. Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA
RE: Counter Surfing
-Original Message- From: Janice Parky Where is Daisy Crifasi and her surfing knowlege when you need her?? Janice, Why, she's right here staying with me, just as good as gold! I don't believe any of those horrible rumors spread by her owner about supposed counter surfing incidents, I've never seen any evidence of it! Of course, I haven't left any lasagna on the counter to cool. Would that involve something called cooking? Pat Long, a babysat Daisy Buddy, ( LUTHER) Berwyn PA
RE: Rescued Puppy Update
Forwarded in plain text for Betsy: Thanks to all of you who answered my questions and offered encouragement, support and congratulations. People on the L are kind, supportive and very generous with their experiences and expertise. Here's an update on the puppy rescued from Puppy Club in Mahopac NY last Friday: We decided to change Rufus' name to Maximum BMD. He is more responsive to Max and we feel it suits him well. He is happy confined in our kitchen. It has a tiled floor, a soft mat for him to lie on and is close to the door to the outside potty area. Now that Max's projectile diarrhea is under control, house training is going well. He seems to appreciate being clean and our other dogs set a wonderful example for him to follow in our outdoor potty place. We do have a crate available in the kitchen- it has a soft blanket, toys and treats in it but he is giving it a wide berth and we are not forcing the issue. Linda Seaver also loaned us a Vari-Kennel and we'll try that too. He is such a sweet, well-mannered boy that if the crate training is too stressful for him, I'm not inclined to force the issue. Others have recommended an x-pen, we'll see if it is necessary. Relations with Berner Boy Gus are going well too. Gus is 2 years old, neutered and an alpha dog who gets along very well with the other dog in our home as well as with strangers. The only problem is that Gus is quite exuberant and wants to play chase with Max. Since the puppy never had a chance to build muscle, we are not allowing him to run for more than a few steps... a development that neither Gus or Max appreciate :-) Max is respectful and submissive with Gus and our elderly, neutered airedale/golden boy, Scooter. When the puppy oversteps, the older dogs correct him appropriately. We're monitoring that carefully too. Max really loves the Maine Coon cats. Most will allow him to sniff and kiss them for a little while. It has been a privilege and a joy to watch Max blossom and turn into a happy, well adjusted Berner puppy in two and a half days. He is learning his name, to come and sit on command. From barely being able to walk more than 5 steps- he is now walking beautifully on a leash around our yard. I think he is a genius!!! He LOVES grass- his favorite outdoor activity is to roll over and over on our lawn.. He gets up, shakes and GRINS! He is enjoying outings to the bank, the vegetable market and the park. Last night we took Max to our favorite ice cream parlor and he drew an enormous crowd. He educated more people about puppy mills and evil puppy brokers by being his sweet adorable Berner self while we described his rescue more vividly than any newspaper article or brochure could ever do. We keep telling ourselves that we may still be only foster parents but with more time comes more bonding and more love... something I know all of you understand. Stay tuned... Betsy Rich, Max (formerly known as Rufus), Gus, Scooter and a mess of Maine Coon Cats!
RE: Counter surfing
Forwarded in plain text for Vilma: Janice, Try shake cans? Fill several old pop cans w/ about 10 pennies and tape the opening shut, then put 3-4 of these carefully balanced on the edges of the counter, tied together w/ strings w/ about 8-10 inches between them, depending on the length of the counter. When he goes to surf, they will come clattering down. Another option is something they sell in the catalogues called a Snappy Trainer which is basically a mousetrap w/ a 6 inch plastic ping pong paddle thingie attached, so the dog cannot get caught in the trap but it makes a loud snap when it is triggered. Keep these traps out all the time for several weeks. The best option is keeping the counter clean for a long time, so he isn't rewarded intermittently for surfing, since this is the best way to make behavior strongly established. Of course, much easier said than done.I know, believe me: both my UDX Berner Java and my foster rescue Brew, 1/3 CD (Pat Long's dog 2B) might be great in the obedience ring but are both Counter Surfers Extraordinaire (CSX titled~!) and I have been too lazy to do much about it. sheepish grin! Sorry Pat, gotta leave ya some new dog fun!! Vilma Briggs (Kistner) Mt. Gilead, OH U-UD Mocha Java Slurp, UDX, HIC, TT Ch. Brighteye Expresso Bean, UD, NDD, TT U-CDX Our Little Buddy, UD, NA, TT Thirdtym's A Charm, CD Hob Nob Clouds In My Coffee (puppy Perc) and foster Bernerboy: Brew, 1/3 CD
Re: vWD question
reposted: (she did it in plain text, but AOL sometimes garbles it!): Hi All! Very concerned mommy heremy six month berner boy barnum got fixed and was having his belly button hernia repaired over the weekend well my Dr. call me late in the evening that barnum was OK but only a hour after surgery was very bruised and ouzzing...and has never seen this for such routine procedure.and of course didn't sleep a wink that night worried about my poor 80lb boythe Doc is running a bunch of blood tests.he says that there is a possibility of von wilderbrane(if i am spelling correct)if this a common disease in berners. has anyone encountered such a problem for a nuder he is so bruised from the top of his belly all the way passed his scrotum.so nervous. come to think of it we had problems with our bailey as well when she was fixed.(different hospital) they had to operate a 2nd time cause she had an infection. My kids are going to be the death of me Welcome to my circus... Dana West Milford, NJ _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
RE: Berner-Garde
Vicky, I guess I've just known about the Family Reports for so many years that I never noticed that there is no specific information on the website about what they are and how to get them! There is a form in the Berner-Garde Guidebook for ordering reports, but we don't have it online! So, no, you aren't missing something, and yes, you have to ASK someone to print out a report to get the full information. The Pedigree display online is just that, a pedigree display, it's not a full copy of all the data - yet. Maybe one day it will be, but I think we have some work ahead before that becomes a reality! Pat Long, a babysat Daisy Buddy, ( LUTHER) Berwyn PA
RE: BernerGarde
Vicky, Did you ask me or one of the site operators for the family report? It would all be on that! Pat Long, Berner-Garde Interim File Manager Berwyn PA
Babysitting
Well, the first trick is to keep ButtHead away from the front door. [Note to self, the screen frame can be bent back into place, it's almost back now. Finish it tonight.] I'm covered in Berner fur, we just had some serious petting. A. Life is good! Pat Long, a babysat Daisy and Buddy ( LUTHER!!!) Berwyn PA
Discussions
We have always had blowups for the same reason. When someone states that something being done is horrible, it causes extreme reactions. Nothing will get people riled up faster than to accuse them of doing things to hurt their dogs, or hurting Berners or dogs in general, for example: Crating is cruel. Kibble is poison, it's made up of dead pets with drugs in them. BARF is full of e-coli and salmonella. Buying dogs at auction is wrong. We've seen these in the past, and we'll see it again. If you disagree with someone, find a positive way to disagree. For example: Instead of crating, I sleep alongside my dog and let it out whenever it moves. I've researched kibble extensively, and here is a list of articles that explain the contents and the source of the different foods. Have there been any studies done on the risk of e-coli and salmonella to dogs from eating raw foods? I'd very much like to learn more about that aspect of BARF. My efforts in reducing the exploitation of Berners has been to attend dog shows and spend time making newbies feel welcome and answering any questions they have. There are endless ways to have a discussion with a positive spin. No one will ever change anyone's mind by inflammatory statements that accuse them of ill-treating dogs. It puts them on the defensive, and gets people upset rather than getting them to think. It will also get you booted off the Berner-L faster than almost anything else. I hate to do that, but I have done it in the past and suspect that I will do it in the future. This List is a pleasant place. We have discussions, we don't accuse each other of vile things. We are sweet, and considerate. We are respectful of other people even if we don't agree with something they've said. I know that's hard. Trust me, I know that's hard. If someone sends you a private post that you find offensive, please forward it to me and I will try to find the appropriate action to be taken. Please do not forward it to the List. For those of you who are new, we have these spats every now and then, I'm afraid we've been long overdue. We have many people from all over the world. Different cultures view aspects of dog ownership very differently. Finding ways to share those different aspects without being aggressive, well, that's the challenge. And I know it's not always easy. Thank you to everyone who makes the effort to do so. I know that I do appreciate learning how different people handle aspects of dog ownership, breeding, rescue, training, feeding, etc. And I'm sure many others do as well. Pat Long, Berner-L Co-Owner Berwyn PA
The Burmese Mountain Dog
If any of you were curious about the standard for this dog, you can see it here: http://lme.mankato.msus.edu/akcj3/bmd.html It's a spoof of course, but a very well done one! The person who shared it with another List indicated that a berner mix that she knew of looked exactly like this. The mother was a purebred Berner. She also indicated that some of the commercial breeders picked up on this and were offering the breed for sale. Either that or they were offering misspelled Berners, you never know! Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA
RE: Double brag
Jenn, Well congratulations! Best Puppy, and a CGC, sounds like you've been having some fun! I always do like to see the brags! And you can consider it a single or double or whatever you'd like! The Brag Fund is strictly voluntary, and you would normally send it to me for the Health Fund. But you'd be best advised to send it to Joye Neff as a donation to the Berner-Garde Fundraiser, that's what I would do, anyway! http://www.overthefence.com/helpberners/bg/ I'd enter the Name the Costco Berner contest - I think Charlie is a perfect name for that Costco Berner! Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA
Special dog needs a special home
Resposted in plain text: The Pacific North West BMD Fanciers (Oregon) rescue is beginning the search for a home for a dog that is currently in their care. Jonah is a handsome Berner boy that needs a special home where he can spend his retirement in security and understanding. Though not abused or neglected it does not seem that Jonah was cherished by his family and very likely spent at least the last few years of his life outside or in the garage. He seems conflicted when given lavish affection (hugs and deep petting) but is learning to enjoy the activity from trusted friends. Has shown no problem with cats or livestock but caution is always advised until all have proven that they are trustworthy. He is good when left by alone and seems to have no destructive tendencies. He rides well in the car and seems to enjoy an adventure. He attended a recent club event and was a very good about greeting people and dogs with equal enthusiasm. Even though we know he has some issues, it seems they are not a big part of his public life. He was very happy to go where we went and yet relax at our feet when nothing was happening. We spent a very long time brushing him and only after about 90 minutes of trying to get the mats out of his tummy did he get fussy. He did not enjoy his toenail trim, bath or blow-dry but was more than tolerant and certainly thrilled to be clean. When he came to us, it was apparent that he had not been bathed or brushed in a long time. Jonah gets along fine with other dogs but does not seem to enjoy sharing his home with him. We are considering a multi-dog home but would prefer that he be an only canine. He seems to generally get along with other dogs but it does depend on the dog. In his foster home he has had discussions with dogs of more dominant personalities. We do not, however, consider him a dominant dog, just one that has lived alone all his life and needs to know the rules. His biggest issue with other dogs seems to be when he is laying down and they come into his space. We are not sure if this is because he is guarding the space or is worried he will get stepped on. Of course he chooses to lay right in the middle of things. Currently, his foster Mom has been working with him to simply move to a less trafficked area. Jonah's most difficult issue is resource guarding. He will guard his food bowl, treats, toys and random objects that come in his space. For this reason we will not be placing him in a home with children or where children will visit frequently. This is a problem that can be worked with but after many years of practice cannot be expected to disappear overnight. Jonah has never bitten anyone but is very willing to growl and protect what he believes is his. To his credit and helpful in the guarding issue, Jonah loves to work and even at his age likes to learn new tricks. He is very food motivated and would be considered by some to be a training junkie. Jonah recently turned seven and appears to be in good health. He has the attitude of a three year old and still loves to play with toys. He needs a special home that understands his issues and will help learn how to live peacefully with his family. Though he needs much love and understanding he also needs humans that will be consistent, fair and show him good leadership. He does not seem to enjoy his difficulties and needs a knowledgeable family to teach him alternatives. Despite his problems, all in all, Jonah is in many ways exactly what you love about an older Berner. He acts much younger than his seven years but is still a mellow dog. If you think you are the right home for Jonah, please contact Jennifer Brightbill ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) for further information and an adoption application. Berner best wishes, Dorothy Turley BMDCGS rescue (We are working with the PNW club to help this dog) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Pat Long, Puppy Sitter Extraordinaire
Maria? I was thinking of teaching Buddy to sing with the birds. Did you know they start chirping later in the Catoctin Mountains than they do here in Berwyn? The first chirp here is about 4:20AM, and the first chirp in Catoctin is about 5:30AM. So if I can teach Buddy to sing with the birds, you'll be able to sleep much later than we do! I just wanted you to know how considerate I am! Of course, were you the sort of person to have a clock with different birds chirping each hour, well, that would be unfortunate! VBEG Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA
RE: Berners for Pat
Maria, I'm quite certain that Vilma will want to train Brew to be a very sweet, quiet, and well behaved boy. Isn't that right Vilma? Vilma? You did say you still wanted to find a home for that little terrier girl, didn't you? ...blink, blink... Pat Long (Luther) Berwyn PA
RE: Updated Draft Regulations
For those of you who have foreign cheques, both Joye Neff and I are able to help with that. We are both able to deposit foreign cheques for no extra charge, please contact either one of us for help with working out the amounts and for our addresses. We're always happy to help with conversions to US checks. Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA -Original Message- From: Lynne Hawkinson Subject: Updated Draft Regulations The Newest Edition (June 2003) of the BMDCA Draft Regulations are available. The price will remain at $2.00 each (postage paid). Please make your check to BMDCA (sorry we can not accept foreign checks)
GDC Genetic Disease Resource Site
Posted for Terri Zimmerman, who is having computer issues: Pat, having computer issues and it should be corrected next week. Would you post this to the Berner L for me, no hurry. This is for the resource site George Packard would like to add to the GDC site. Thank you Patas always. The GDC Genetic Disease Resource site will build what we hope to be one of the most comprehensive and reliable sets of information on practical genetic disease and breeding issues. We need volunteer help to find and research resources, to help organize a group of expert reviewers who will write 1-paragraph abstracts of the resources, and to help manage and organize the site as it grows. Ideally we would like to find a single volunteer who could take responsibility for managing the project during the coming year. We want to structure the volunteer time load so that any one person would figure on contributing just a few hours a month. The site will present the reader with the list of 1 paragraph abstracts/reviews under each topic, along with the by-line of the reviewer. We'll organize the abstracts into categories, with cross-links, so you can browse the abstracts and click to get to the article or web site. Each review would, of course, link to the source, either as an article on the GDC site, or at another site. Resources may include organizations, books, CDs, and individuals who offer consulting or other services. The site will include a list of reviewers with their IDs and credentials, so the readers have some idea of the reviewer's perspective. I want the reader to be able to quickly scan the reviews for what's available in a given topic, and to get a quick sense of the quality of info in each source by reading the review/abstract. At this point I don't plan on putting any source on the GDC site without the filter of a review/abstract by one of our group of advisors. Needless to say, this will build slowly, but if I can find 15 or so people who could do 1-3 abstracts per month, in a year we can have a pretty strong site. We will assign reviews to people depending on their field of expertise. I am at the beginning of the gathering and assembling stage now, and so would welcome any suggestions of sources of info on some particular aspect of non-breed-specific genetic disease issues that would be helpful to breeders. Or breed-specific issues that have some aspect of universality to them. George G. Packard Director, GDC 603-456-2350 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
York Supported Entry
I had a grand day at the York show, the Mason Dixon club always does a wonderful job supplying food and fun, and today was no different! Their Weather Chair did a great job, nice and dry with a breeze even if it was a bright sunny day. Just perfect for sitting in the shade petting Berners! 43 Berners entered, a 4 point major in both males and females (missed a 5 point major in males by one dog, and a 5 point major in females by 2 bitches). I think I marked everything correctly, I was having fun visiting with friends and petting Berners! Best Puppy in Sweepstakes - Witchway's Native Spirit, breeder Joyce Dickhoff, by Ch De-Li's Ghosts and Goblins - Ch Beowulf's The Bewitching One, owner Doreen Zimmerman Best Opposite Sex to Best in Sweeps - Kasablanca-L-Sin's Heart Throb, br Laura Gilliam, by Ch Kasablanca's Black Forest - Kasablanca's KoKo Chanel, ow Sindi Leo WD - Blackjack's Crew Chief, Br Pat Mills Dawn Cox, by Ch Norham's O-Theodore Bear - Ch Dogwoods Jewel at Blackrock, ow Rusty Linda Hawes RWD - Triellen's Up To The Top, br Libby Kesner, by Ch Triellen's Remington V De-Li - Maine's New Moon, ow Ellen Lechner WB/BOW - Ahquabi Custom Made v Rufus, Br Kathy Berge, by Ch Krishon Rufus CD - Ch Classique Dances With Wolves TD, ow Christine Vlassis BOB - Ch De-Li's Sound It Out, Br/ow Lilian Ostermiller, by Ch De-Li's Look It Up - De-Li's Dressed for Success, dog BOS - Ch Keilissa's In The Fast Lane, Br Lee Ann Brownstein Malissa Ruchak, by Ch Winterthur's Magic Dragon - Ch Keilissa's Cover Girl, ow Kathy Gunther Lee Ann Brownstein Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA
RE: Good News!
Karen, Thank you so much for sharing this update with us, and I made sure to write them back to thank them for their decision! Educational seminars are a terrific idea!! Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA -Original Message- From: Karen W. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] While past events have included the presence of the AKC registered hunting dog breeders, Cabela's has discontinued this service due to the concerns raised by our customers. Remaining events will get back to focusing on the educational aspects of training sporting dogs. Cabela's will continue to offer these seminars, including information on things to look for when purchasing a hunting dog, dog owner responsibility and other important aspects of selecting and training sporting dogs.
RE: quilt information
For those of you who are quilt loves, just a note to let you know about the fundraiser that the Entlebucher club is doing to raise money for PRA research. (Which makes me wonder, is PRA in their breed the same as it is in Berners? If it is, then this research could help us as well!) If you'd like to see the quilt, and details about how to buy tickets, see: http://bernese.biz/fundraiser.htm Thanks, Jean, for putting it on the webpage, and thank YOU LeAnn for sharing the information about the quilt with all of us! I know you've helped raise money for Berners in the past, and I sure do hope that you can raise some funds with this beautiful quilt! Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA
RE: dog with a mission
This didn't make it to the List yesterday: Rose, Berners can catch those cheeky chipmunks! Maggie caught one! All right, so Luther chased it right at her and she sort of caught it by accident. But she was so pleased with herself! Then she got confused enough when I gave her my happiest GOOD GIRL! Drop it! command, that she actually dropped it! Then there was the time a squirrel fell out of a tree onto Vesta - who caught it. She was terribly hurt when I asked her to drop it, but I did praise her effusively. However - she sat under that tree for months looking up in excited anticipation... Then of course there was the famous cow tongue in the park with Hannibal incident... Pat Long ( Luther) with memories of the amazing Berner hunters Berwyn PA
response to newspaper ad for Berner puppies in North Dakota
Why not use: Bernese Mtn. Dog puppies. Call xxx-. When you answer the phone line, just say that no puppies are available at the moment, but you'll be happy to help answer any questions for them, and to help them find someone else that may have puppies currently available. Don't say you never had any available, don't say if you plan to ever breed a litter or not, you just have none available right now. Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA
Ordinary day with berners...2
Two for one day - also forwarded for Pamela. Pam - does Monty know you're doing these? g (The first time I sent this I had the wrong address! Does anyone know how to get rid of misspelled addresses in the MS Outlook list, the ones that aren't in the address book but are most recently typed?) Pat -- The dishwasher is done, so I begin to unload... Can Monty and Allegra tell the sound of removing THEIR bowls and stacking them? The both come running from outside. They've been under the porch where it's cool. Obviously, they've enlarged the basin they dug to reach the cooler dirt, because they have a layer of dust and some tiny pellets of dirt clinging to their fur. Allegra shakes... ping, ping, ping! One can hear the tinkle of dirt pellets hitting the clean glassware. Monty wants to help with the unloading. His pink tongue removes a water droplet from the dinner plate and then he also dries the sauté pan. OUT! I say. They reluctantly leave the kitchen. They pause in the doorway. OUT! I say again. They go to the front door. Allegra stands in the doorway with a forlorn look on her face. Monty, on the deck, puts paws to the open storm door and bangs it against the house. Let me in, that means... even with the front door open and able to enter, he has obeyed my request to exit, but he protests loudly and repeatedly... Bang, bang, bang goes the door. It is now well scratched and permanently muddied. The German Shepard next door barks at something. Allegra is shoved aside as Monty charges through the living room, through the kitchen and out to the back deck. He barks back once. The neighbor from inside his house yells at the GSD and curses at him. Monty puts paws on the railing and watches poor Otto cower at the sound of the owner. Otto notices Monty watching and comes over to the fence. Unable to properly sniff each other, they both whine softly. Otto is not a happy dog. Monty says, I understand. I have a loving family and I feel sorry for dogs who are just yard ornaments like yourself. Otto sighs and goes back under his small porch to get relief from the hot sun. Monty comes back in the kitchen and checks his dish from breakfast just as I pick it up to put in the dishwasher. Pamela and Dick with Allegra (if what you want lies buried, dig until you find it) and Monty (No matter how often you're scolded, don't buy into the guilt thing and pout...run right back and make friends)
RE: Ordinary day with Berners..... 4
Another Monty adventure! Pat Bang, bang, bangity, bang! One would think the storm door would be broken by now... it's dinner time No, it's 2 hours before dinnertime, but Monty is hungry. He's always hungry. Hey, Dad, fix dinner, huh? At the computer, Dick realizes that if he sets up the supplements now, he can stretch his legs at the same time... he doles out the E, C, fish oil caps, etc. into the dishes... Monty puts his paws on the counter to supervise... Off, Monty, you gotta wait He moves one paw off, then drops down where he belongs along side Allegra. Everything else is ready in the fridge. Dick goes back to the computer. The bowl is near the edge All by itself, it rocks... tippy, tippy... well, maybe it had a little help with a paw ;-)) MON-TEEE!! the den windows rattle as an echo to the clang of the dish hitting the floor... only the second time this month. Feed 'em early and be done with it. A couple hours later I get home from work. I look over the picket fence into the very cluttered yard. Shredded box pieces, bits of egg carton, squeaky toys, holes. Our yard is the neighborhood's worst. Allegra and Monty are greeting me as if on pogo sticks. 'Legra's eyes barely peep over, but Mont-ster could easily clear the fence if he put a mind to it. I spot something that doesn't belong. It's the blood pressure monitor. That means that Dick spent more time on the computer than paying attention to the dogs... retaliation! It's not harmed. Ah! there's a kitchen sponge too... uh, it's a half of a kitchen sponge. I wonder where the other half went. OK, then, Monty, what ARE you guarding, the sponge??? He is back to his treasure, now that he's got me in the yard. I go over to see, and perhaps retrieve the other half of my sponge. It's black, it's soggy, it's moving! It squeaks. Monty mouths a poor frightened mouse, keeping it away from me. Good, mousie, I say, not wanting him to crunch and run with it. He puts it down, places a paw firmly on it and grins up at me, wagging. Allegra takes a step closer and Monty grabs the mouse and runs to the other side of the yard. I guess that's dessert in the BARF diet! Pamela and Dick with Allegra (if what you want lies buried, dig until you find it) and Monty (No matter how often you're scolded, don't buy into the guilt thing and pout...run right back and make friends)
RE: Ordinary day with the berners...
Shared Monty stories at Pamela's request - he sounds like a TOTAL Berner type character! Pat - Monty sounds like a total character!! Hard to get mad at him? Monty is so GOOD I need to get up during the night several times... he often is along side the bed and I return to bed for another couple hours... if it's early dawn, he wants me to get up and get his breakfast, but I can say, go to sleep and I roll over with my back to him... just as often he's even on the bed, leaving barely enough room for my legs... he goes back to sleep, I go back to sleep. On command. Then the alarm clock goes off He jumps up, onto the bed if he's Along side, or comes running down the hall if he's in the living room. Front paws on my chest, he washes my face thoroughly, pinning me down so that the alarm is just at my fingertips out of reach. As soon as I am finally able to sit up, he washes my feet, especially between the toes, and makes an attempt under my boobs or in other private areas. Presumably he likes the sweat or the dead skin smell. It's sometimes a little disconcerting. Sometimes it's a lot Breakfast two scrambled or fried eggs, cooled with a little fruit juice, leftover soup, gravy or whatever Allegra likes it as a treat, Monty is so lean that he needs the calories... he gets the bowl with the excess fat from the pan and the bigger half of the eggs. We give Allegra's first. Wait, Monty and he waits. Ropey drool makes a puddle... then we ask him, do you want it? he goes whuff but there is no sound... it's just an air speak. He inhales the food. Allegra and Monty trade dishes to see if the other might have left some small crumb. Monty goes back to his empty bowl and paws it to say, more, please... sometimes it wedges under the edge of the stove, sometimes it makes it to the living room carpet... I can't help but laugh. He continues to rock it until it tips over, he places both paws on it and slides it around the kitchen... During our breakfast, he sometimes lies down on his own, sometimes needs to be reminded. He's right between us. Staring, staring, watching... we talk, he waits, we talk, sometimes he shuts his eyes for a moment. He hears the break of the banana skin... OH, BOY! he says, BANANA the drool starts again. We break off a small piece for each and toss to each dog, Allegra in the doorway, Monty between us. They love it... And that's how the day starts Pamela and Dick with Allegra (if what you want lies buried, dig until you find it) and Monty (No matter how often you're scolded, don't buy into the guilt thing and pout...run right back and make friends)
FW: Ordinary day with berners.... 3
Another Monty adventure! Forwarded for Pam... Pat I've gone to work. Two Berners are shut in the yard while Dick takes a nap. The mail lady has come and gone, the senior center bus is back across the street and the neighborhood is quiet too quiet. Maybe I gotta go for a walk, says Monty. He sees a leash on the closet doorknob inside. If I can just get it, maybe Dad will take me for a walk. The small window is ajar about 4 inches. It's a slider that is only a foot high below a large picture window. Drat! The storm door is in the way Bang, bang, BANG! It bounces against the house and then far enough out that a paw grabs it and pulls it away from the house... it leaves the window accessible. Four inches by 12 inches... perfect, because in a few moments, the opening is about 10 by 12. Then there's the chair in front of the window to slide under. Boy, Mom is stupid. She could be the winner on the Funniest Videos if she had the camera aimed at me sneaking into the house, Monty says. Over the window sill, under the chair, run, run, run down the hall. Hey, Dad, here I am! huh? wake up, Dad, wake up. It's time for my walk... So much for a peaceful nap! Pamela and Dick with Allegra (if what you want lies buried, dig until you find it) and Monty (No matter how often you're scolded, don't buy into the guilt thing and pout...run right back and make friends)
RE: Corneal Dystrophy
Forwarded for Janice Parky, respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does anyone have any experience with corneal dystrophy in their Berner's or other breeds? Halley has just been diagnosed with this. It appears to be inherited. Any info would be appreciated Janice Parky Halley and Wrigley
RE: GROWING PAINS ???
Dear Robert, It's always so amazing to see the puppies grow so fast. I don't have any answers for you, but I do have a few questions. Have you had Alex since he was 6 weeks old? Or did you get the information from the breeder on how much he weighed two weeks ago? And how much play and exercise time does he get? Do let us know what the vet has to say! Good luck! I'm copying your full email here, it was posted in HTML - a problem with AOL. In order to post in plain text so that everyone can read it, you have to post through the www.aol.com website. It's a pain I know, but AOL removed the plain text option for some unknown reason. Hugs and bellyrubs to Alex, Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 11:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: GROWING PAINS ??? My eight and one half week old berner puppy Alex is growing like a weed, gaining a pound every other day. In the past two weeks he went from 6 lbs to 13. Today he started having some pain in his hind end, from the base of the tail and a few inches above to his back. He cries when he moves and when I touch that area. I see no reason for this discomfort. He has not climbed any steps or jumped off anything. He is by my side 24/7 and if we go any distance I carry him. He is on the BARF diet and loving every meaty bite. Could he be growing to fast and could this be the discomfort he is having? Any comments or suggestions would be helpful. Tomorrow we will go to the vets if he does not seem better. Thanks Robert
RE: A New Vocabulary for the Berner-L
Dear Maria, You are perfectly correct, many people have porn and spam editors on their email, and the resultant errors from rejections are often quite intriguing. I have often had to reread emails in order to determine what the offending word might be. I think your proposal has a great deal of merit, and will also help when list members have visiting grandchildren asking for definitions of some words. I do like the idea of using an alternative grouping of words. Sweetheart and Girl do work well for the word that rhymes with rich, and I do like Joy Stick and the Family Jewels. So using your new vocabulary system, we would let the Happy Boy Get Lucky with the Sweetheart in order to attempt to have a litter. And when the Happy Boy is examined in the ring by the judge, the judge would check to make sure there are two jewels in the Money Bags there by the Joy Stick. And if that judge were to bestow a Winner's Happy Boy title, or a Winner's Sweetheart title at the dog show, then the resultant bragger could lavishly bestow some generous amount to BLEF for the Health Fund? I must say - I like it!! No more rude errors insisting that the Berner-L is generating porn email! Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA
RE: Pippy Longstockings
Greg, I've seen Berners with white markings all the way up past the elbows, and others with no white on their legs at all. So markings won't really tell you much one way or another. You'll know a good deal more as Pippy grows, any idea just how old she might be? Pippy is a very lucky girl - bless you for finding room in your heart and your home for a shelter girl! She's obviously attracted a very nice human, which makes her a Berner in my book! Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA
RE: Defecating in the house...
Forwarded for Vilma: In a message dated 7/10/2003 2:59:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: she knew she had been bad and looked very contrite about it Darcy, Dogs do not know they are bad and do not feel contrite -- these are abstractions -- and dogs are not capable of abstract thought (many humans haven't reached the level of abstract thought yet either.) However, dogs are incredibly attuned to body language and voice tones and they know when you are upset ...they will act submissive to try and appease you. And she could feel poorly in general if she has diarrhea. Any suggestions? If stools remain loose you might consider a few Immodium tablets and if no improvement, see your vet. Make sure she doesn't get dehydrated from the loose stools, especially in the summer heat. As far as the pooping in the house goes, just go back to the beginning of housetraining w/ her for a few weeks to review. Basically just keep an eye on her 24/7 whenever she is not in a crate so she cant have any more accidents you don't interrupt, just like you would a brand new puppy. You can also use an umbilical tether to be able to always know where she is -- keep her on a 6 ft leash in the house and attach this to your waist so she goes where ever you go. I haven't crated her since her first week with us, she was doing so well! But I brought home a wire crate, we do want to show her and she needs to get used to it, and I will be having a baby in the next 2 weeks, will it be too much to start her in it now? Start her in slowly, a few seconds at a time, very gradually increase the time insidetempt her to run in there w/ frequent tasty treats tossed in for her and eventually feed meals inside. Do not force her, let her choose on her own to go in that cozy little den w/ the soft blankets, special treats and fun toys. Put a Kong stuffed w/ cheese/peanut butter in there for her to work on or a frozen raw bone. Special things she gets at no other time. Go slowly. Wow, 2 babies at once -- a puppy and a human. You are gonna be exhausted! Hang in there Vilma Briggs (Kistner) Mt. Gilead, OH U-UD Mocha Java Slurp, UDX, HIC, TT Ch. Brighteye Expresso Bean, UD, NDD, TT U-CDX Our Little Buddy, UD, NA, TT Thirdtym's A Charm, CD Hob Nob Clouds In My Coffee (puppy Perc) and foster Bernerboy: Brew/Bruin
RE: Berners in Stores
Radha, Excellent question! And I think it's one that a few people have addressed in their emails to Cabela's. I think the biggest problem some of us have with the situation is that stores sell to anyone with money. A pet store is only interested in the sale, they are not motivated by the long term well being of the puppy being sold. Any breeder selling by means of a pet store does not care about where that puppy goes, is not planning to keep track of any health issues for that puppy, is not going to provide any mentoring or support to the buyer, and will not even know if that puppy is no longer wanted. No reputable breeder will knowingly sell their puppies through a pet shop. As for Cabela's, the breeders may be meeting some requirements, but has Cabela's determined what genetic tests are required for which breed? Will the breeders keep in touch with the puppy buyers? Will they provide any support? Would they be contacted in 10 months when the adolescent monster is no longer wanted? I doubt it. The flea market quality of the Puppy Days isn't likely to foster any breeders who are interested in long term welfare of their dogs, and it isn't likely to foster any buyers who are making carefully considered decisions. Keep asking those questions, we all learn more when you do! Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA
Changing Addresses, Changing Mail Formats, Postponing, etc
Anytime you need to postpone, or to change an address, or switch from digest to individual emails or vice versa, you can go to: www.berner.org and click on berner-l accounts If you have a problem using the old Service Center, then please contact me directly and I'll be happy to help! Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA
BMDCA Members Email List
Does everyone who is a BMDCA member know that there is a yahoogroups email list for BMDCA members? If not, you should! Sandie Hawkins created the List in March of 2001, and it has been very beneficial to have a place to discuss club business among the membership. If you are a club member, you are welcome to join the email list, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you Sandie!! Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA
BARF versus Kibble, Berner-L Discussions
Just a quick note about the way that any discussion on this topic will proceed. For those of you who weren't here, the topic had to be banned from discussion on the Berner-L several years ago. The emails and comments since then have been just fine, and I'd like to keep it that way. Any lengthy discussion of BARF can be done on the Natural Berners yahoogroup List. Anyone who would like to ask about BARF or give a general summary on the Berner-L, please do! We always have new people on the List, and we'd always like to hear more. As in any discussion, it is best not to make negative comments about the other viewpoints. There are many excellent quality kibble foods for dogs, and any sweeping statement indicating one way or the other are bound to start an argument. Which will be done in a sweet and civil manner, of course! People on the Berner-L try very hard to do the very best for their dogs. Anything that suggests otherwise creates some very angry feedback. Please present all information in a positive and helpful manner. Here's an example of an unacceptable way to present information: - Good grief, you're a stupid idiot to let your dog out the front door to run loose, you are going to get him killed! Now, that may indeed be quite true, but you've just alienated someone who may need to listen carefully to what you have to say. Here's a better way to say the same thing: - You're lucky to have a neighborhood without traffic in which you can let your dogs run loose. I've always found that keeping my dogs on a leash in any area that isn't fenced is the best way to keep them from getting hit by a car where I live. So please, think carefully before you write! If you aren't sure, ask me and I'll be happy to let you know before you post something to the List! I would much rather do that than to have to kick anyone off the List! (Which really happens very rarely, thank goodness!) Pat Long, Berner-L Co-Owner Berwyn PA
RE: New Litter Photos
I don't know Ray, but I'm pretty sure that looks like a brag! Of course, I know that Berner's only ever HAVE perfect puppies, but still... VBG Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA -Original Message- From: Ray Pat Burgett We have pictures of the sire and dam of our new litter of ll PERFECT puppies. :-) http://users.eoni.com/~eaglecap/
Puppy Buyers Guide - if you haven't seen one yet, you should!
Cross posted on request of Ann Milligan (For those of you who are unfamiliar with this guide, it's an excellent handout for people who are seriously looking for a puppy!!): The Bernese Mountain dog Club of Southeastern Wisconsin recently did a bulk printing of 10,000 Bernese Mountain Dog Puppy Buyer's Guides. Many clubs and individuals pre-ordered the guides - but PBG orders were limited to 50+ copies to a recipient. I would like to let everyone know the SEW club still has PBGs available. 1. PBGs are available from me at $0.60 each PLUS USPS (United States Postal Service) shipping charges. Anyone interested in ordering can e-mail me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and let me know the number of copies needed. I will pack the copies up and weigh them. I will then send out an e-mail with the total amount due. When I receive payment for the guides + shipping, I'll ship the PBG package. 2. The PBGs are available from me in any quantity - 1 and up. 3. Payment will be payable by check or money order, made out to the BMDCSEW. [Contact Ann for her mailing address.] *Please help me out by cross posting this note to the other Bernese e-lists. Thanks for your continuing support and use of the PBG. Ann Milligan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.angelfire.com/alt/milligan_bmds/
RE: berner gallery
Thanks to all of you for sharing the photos, I just love seeing them! And Hugh - thank you as always for doing such a wonderful job on the website!!! Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA -Original Message- From: Hugh Hayes http://www.berner.org/gal_7_02/berner.html
RE: New (human) Baby to Family
Judy, Some people did some great posts on berners and babies about a month ago or less, try going to the www.berner.org site and click on berner-L current and see if you can search on baby. If you can't find them, let me know and I'll put them all together for you tomorrow, then we can put it on the Berner-L Compilations page too! Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA
RE: July 4th menu (dog safe!)
Posted for Pam: From our deck we will have a perfect view of the fireworks display for our town's Centennial celebration on the Fourth of July. Hence, we have invited two families to share our bounty. I was planning my holiday menu and debating between chicken and spareribs. OPPS Two [guest] kids, who would love to sneak a bite to the starving puppies, an adult's focus on fireworks instead of keeping the plate to one's self or even just plain thievery from two sneaky gluttonous dogs could spell disaster. They will enjoy the stolen and fumbled potato and other salads, the mango salsa and chips and the watermelon, as it is, but we'd better stick to burgers instead of bony stuff... sorry, gourmets among our guests, our dogs are more important than a fancy menu. And, in case anyone else is planning picnics on the deck, I thought the reminder timely so that stolen bones don't spoil the day for someone and their berner babies. All us listers are practiced at guarding the counters and table tops and our dogs [sometimes] obey our requests to down while WE eat, but the guests, especially children, are free game for theft g and get out those cameras! Pamela and Dick with Allegra (if what you want lies buried, dig until you find it) and Monty (No matter how often you're scolded, don't buy into the guilt thing and pout...run right back and make friends)
Pet Owners Seminar
There is a one day seminar being held in Washington DC on Saturday, October 11. To see information about the seminar, go to: www.acvs.org and click on 2003 ACVS Pet Owners Seminar. Thanks for passing this along, Took! Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA
Reposted in Plain Text - Pam's Beloved Tilly
Tis better to have loved and lost then never to have loved at all. Definitely true when it comes to Berners. Unfortunately, I am sorry to update, our Berner family has lost a great friend. Our girl Tilly didn't make it. I arrived at the hospital Saturday morning and was greeted with a thunderous Tilly greeting. (It's amazing given how critically ill Tilly was that every time I arrived she jumped up, bounded to greet me, wagged her tail furiously, gave me a big Berner smile and howled as if she hadn't seen me in years.) Although Tilly's condition was stable and her numbers were holding Friday night, as she did many other days she again took a turn for the worse. I spent a few minutes with Tilly and then looked at her chart. My heart sank. Her PCV had dropped to 13. Her TS to 3.8. I looked at Tilly and saw it in her now sunken eyes. It was time to say good-bye. The DVM came in and based on my sobbing, he knew I knew. The first thing he said was I'm sorry. We did everything we could. He told me her PCV and TS were down, her liver enzymes were up, he did not see any platelets on her blood smear and she was beginning to waste away. I looked at him, and sobbed I want to take her home. They offered me to drive my truck around to the back to pick her up. But Tilly and I wanted to walk out the front door the way she came in. My girl wasn't going out anyone's back door. We gathered her things and began our walk to the truck. She was psyched. She knew she was outta there. Tilly - the character she is wanted to make sure she had the last laugh. When we got to the middle of the waiting room Tilly proceeded to squat down and take the longest pee I have ever seen. The Vet just looked, chuckled and said Well, that's okay. She can pee there. Being a Saturday morning, the waiting room was very full. Everyone was just watching. I'm sobbing and laughing saying, It's okay girl. You pee where ever you want. People had to be wondering what the heck was going on. When she was done she picked up her head and proudly walked away leaving a spot about 2 feet wide and 3 feet long of pee. My funny girl Tilly decided that wasn't enough. We went outside and started down the walkway and just as Tilly reached the end of the walkway she squatted again and left a big poop right at the walkway entrance. The Vet laughed and said what a good dog she was, so good she would never go in her cage because she was so well trained. As soon as Tilly saw my open truck she started jogging towards it. The Vet remarked that she's one amazing dog. She certainly didn't look sick. He said all other dogs would have given up 5 days earlier and what remarkable spirit she has. We put her in the truck, I gave her a frosty paw for the ride and we started home. Tilly's favorite place in the world is at my parents - in the middle of 25 acres of woods. Tilly loved to chase the chipmunks and squirrels, dig holes, lay in my mother's garden and spend lots of time there. It was obvious that would be her final resting-place. We called our home Vet and he agreed to come over that afternoon. What a wonderful day we had. We laid down a blanket on the lawn, under a dogwood tree and spent the next 5 hours enjoying our time together. All Tilly's favorite people were with her. She never lost her ravenous appetite, had another frosty paw and stole a blueberry muffin, a tuna fish sandwich and some chips from our plates. My parents made her a special last meal, a Venison burger. You would have thought she hadn't eaten in years. Being the wonderful dog she is, despite her condition, twice she jumped up, walked off the lawn into the woods to pee and came to lie back down. She knows that Grammy and Grammpy prefer she didn't pee on the lawn. Then Tilly got up and went and laid down in the garden under the dogwood tree. We knew and she knew it was time. In Tilly's last moments she was surrounded by her favorite people and her Buddy Sasha (and her Golden Retriever cousin Winnie). I held her in my arms and told her it was okay and she didn't have to fight anymore. She peacefully went to sleep. Several odd things happened that day. Just minutes after Tilly was in her final resting place and we said our good-byes, what was a sunny day turned into a cloudy rainy day. Next, when I arrived home I went to the candle I had lit for Tilly a week earlier and it was down to the end and just about to go out. A friend said we should go for a ride just to get out and away. We're driving down the highway, it's 9pm, raining hard and there is low cloud cover. When up ahead I see a fireworks display. My friend and I just looked at each other in astonishment. Why on a random, rainy, cloudy June 21st? We pulled over and watched the fireworks and knew it was a sign. Tilly had crossed over the rainbow bridge and was letting us know she was okay. (she always did everything in big fashion.) Oddly enough while we were watching the fireworks I saw a vision in my head - the candle I had lit for Tilly
RE: Puppy Mill Puppy?
Betsy, I have a pamphlet that a nameless hard worker put together for me, it's intended to be given to a pet shop in hopes that they will give it to whoever buys a Berner puppy. It doesn't say anything at all about where puppies should be bought, but it is an attempt to reach out to new Berner owners to get them a bit of support so that they don't add to the rescue burden. If we can get them into a regional club or onto the Berner-L (and we WELCOME them with open arms!), then they'll have somewhere to turn for help when their adolescent isn't quite so cute jumping up on them. I can email it to you for you to print, it's a PDF file intended to be a tri-fold with space on the back side for a local area contact. It's a start! Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA
BMDCA Board Nominations
The Nominating Committee has been determined by the BMDCA Board, the two alternates are not yet determined. The following members have been named to the 2003 Nominating Committee: Pat Long, Chair ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Dawn Letry ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Kathy Gray ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Positions open for the election are: President, Corresponding Secretary, Treasurer, and 2 Directors (currently Ruth Reynolds and Valerie Horney) The nominating committee needs your input Willing workers who work well with others wanted! Please submit nominations (yourself or someone else) to any one of the committee members. Time is tight to form the slate of candidates. Please (please!) get your nominations in as soon as possible. Pat Long Berwyn PA
Shave and a hair cut...
I have hair on the top of my head. But when I keep it cut short, I am cooler in the summer. And I do cut it! I used to have a crew cut in my younger karate days. Oh, I know, I probably shouldn't, after all - the hair is there for a reason! g I've seen Berners who were trimmed, and as long as the fur is kept long enough to continue to provide protection from direct sun (just over an inch seems about right), well, you've never seen an older Berner bounce around quite as happy as it is right after a clip! Sometimes it won't really grow back quite the same, but if you aren't showing your dog in conformation events, well - does it matter too much? It may even be a good indication that there are some thyroid issues that need investigation. We generally don't see Poodles with long corded coats (although I have seen one in a photo), the owners clip the coat. Komondors, clipped. Old English Sheepdogs, clipped. Portuguese Water Dogs, clipped. Bichons, clipped. Bouviers, clipped. Cocker Spaniels, clipped. Terriers, stripped. Luther, clipped. Wolves and coyotes aren't clipped or shaved, but they are allowed to adapt naturally to the environment. Man breeds dogs and we aren't quite as good about that natural selection process part. We do the selecting. So next time you go in to the barber or beauty parlor for a hair cut, shave your face, or put clothes on, ask yourself just why Berners shouldn't get clipped if they aren't living in the Bern region of Switzerlan. We modify ourselves to suit the environment, but we don't take the environment into account when we breed our dogs. We do try to moderate the environment for them, we provide a/c, cool shade, plenty of water, so a clip is just one other way to help keep them cool if we are going to keep them in hot and humid climates. But dogs do get melanoma, so keep enough fur to protect the skin! Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA
HTML, copying posts, etc
I'm going to be out of town until Sunday, so if any of you need help with the Berner-L, please contact: Sylvia Katvala at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maria Crifasi at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rita Ehrnfeldt at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Watch those HTML posts, please post in plain text. If you reply to an email, cut and paste the relevant portions, don't copy the entire original post. If you need a digest resent, I'll be happy to send it out to you on Sunday, sorry about any delay! Enjoy the weekend!! Pat Long (Luther a babysat Sam) Berwyn PA
RE: Friends please read from Karen Alexander - jdbgmgr.exe hoax
Karen, I do appreciate your thinking of us all, thank you!! However, this one is a hoax. Take a look here for more details: http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/jdbgmgr.exe.file.hoax.html And it does look as though some enterprising son of a gr has coded a virus that will infect this file, so you do need to be cautious! The anti-virus software systems will catch this one, so as always - MAKE SURE YOU HAVE GOOD ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE, AND KEEP IT TURNED ON AND UPDATED AT ALL TIMES Don't panic if you have already deleted this file, it doesn't need to be recovered, but there are instructions on the website above for recovering it if you need to. And just a note, if you suspect a virus, but aren't sure - check with me and I'll help find out if everyone on the Berner-L needs to be warned or not. The google.com search is usually very helpful. Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA
AKC's Pet Healthcare Plan
While we're mentioning insurance plans, I thought this was worth a look. http://www.petpartnersinc.com/ They have a list of frequently asked questions, and the basics are: Premier Plan, helps pay the cost of -an annual physical exam, -veterinary exams due to illness or injury, -veterinary procedures and surgery, -prescriptions, -diagnostic procedures and laboratory tests, -X-rays, -hospitalization, -and other treatments as indicated in the plan terms and conditions. Cost starts at $24/month. Premier Plus Plan, helps pay the cost of everything covered in the Premier Plan, PLUS -vaccinations, -boosters, -heartworm testing and prevention medication, -flea treatments, -an annual dental cleaning, and other preventive measures as indicated in the plan terms and conditions. Cost starts at $41.50/month. Coverage for all of the US, US territories, and Canada. The deductible is $100 total for the plan period. This means that the most you will pay in deductibles is $100 regardless of how many times your pet is treated during the plan period. Your co-payment is 20% of each covered claim up to the plan limit. Dogs do not have to be AKC registered in order to be covered. Dogs under the age of 9 are eligible to be covered. Pre-existing conditions are not covered. - I had heard somewhere that genetic conditions would not be covered, but the only thing I've seen about it specifically is in the August 2003 Dog World issue, in which they state: ... all breeds are eligible for full coverage, with no higher fees for specific breeds, and no breed-specific hereditary conditions are excluded. When a dog is registered with the AKC, they will receive a free 60-day policy. According to the AKC the first 30 days covers injury, and the next 30 days covers both injury and illness, including diagnostic procedures and laboratory tests. I've always preferred not to carry insurance on my dogs, since I'm good at saving and having money set aside for emergencies. If I use enough vet services to have it pay for itself, then someone else is paying more money than they needed to so that there is enough there for me. And if I pay more for the insurance money than I get back in covered vet expenses, well, then I'm paying more than I need to and someone else is getting that money. It's a way of leveling risk for everyone, but the insurance company makes money. So we're paying a premium to let someone else save for us. I could never justify it for veterinary expenses. For human health care - that's a whole other matter! Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA
RE: Mast Cell Tumors
Jaye, I'm sorry to hear about the tumor, but hopefully it will not be a problem for her going forward! I did write an article about the topic some number of years ago when my Maggie had one removed as well, and that article also compiled a number of List member experiences. You can find that and many other articles about Berner health issues on www.bmdca.org in the Health section. (Maggie had a tumor removed from her front leg when she was 6.5 years old, we didn't do chemo - which for mast cell is typically prednisone - nor did we do radiation. She had no recurrence of the mast cell and lived another 3 years.) One thing that will help people respond - does the vet think they got good clean margins when they removed the tumor? And where was the tumor? (Location doesn't really matter except that it does help with getting wide margins in some areas rather than others...) You hug Heather and Lucy for me, and share some bellyrubs with them too! Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA -Original Message- This week we received the news that our beautiful Heather, who is now five and a half years old, has cancer. She had a grade 2 Mast Cell Tumor removed last week. We, as you would all expect, are devastated.
RE: a laugh for the list
A cute one posted for Pamela: A man takes his Bernese Mountain Dog to the vet and says, My dog's cross-eyed, is there anything you can do for him? Well, says the vet, let's have a look at him So he picks the dog up and examines his eyes, then checks his teeth. Finally, he says I'm going to have to put him down. What? Because he's cross-eyed? No, because he's really heavy Pamela and Dick with Allegra and Monty (can we sleep outside tonight again)
Attn: Mary Merrell
Sorry List! Mary - I've been trying to respond, but all of your emails are bouncing, AOL insists that your email account doesn't exist!! Do you have another email account I could use? Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA
RE: berners on a card?
Simple. I bought all the rest. I special ordered a stack of them when I discovered them last year. They've been my stationary, I love them!! Pat -Original Message- Suzanne Deering and hot Socrates Laura, You bought only one!?!? How could you?!!??
RE: Harvard Study
Esta, I have some of the kits here, I'll be happy to mail them to you! I'm not sure why you haven't gotten a response, maybe someone is on vacation and isn't getting back to you? Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 9:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Harvard Study Pat I contacted the group at Harvard for the testing kit to submit a sample, but have heard nothing back either by email or otherwise. Please advise. Esta Dalsass NJ
Another gifted artist - do take a look!
I've seen some of this artwork before, but wanted to share it all. Michael Jurogue Johnson is a very gifted artist, and his style is just such joy! Do take a look at the website and see how many Bernese Mountain Dogs he's snuck into his artwork. Frankly, I think he needs to focus on Bernese Mountain Dogs a great deal more! I wonder if I can commission him to do a painting for the 2004 Health Fund auction www.sharingds.org/Michael Willem, watch out!! VBG Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA
RE: PS: Neutersol - a question
Forwarded in plain text for Andrea: Hi Esther, I'm very curious why this product has NO published study on male kittens/cats. Also, I cannot find where FDA approved for neutersol's use on male cats/kittens. In shelters, cats are just as big an overpopulation problem as dogs, if not worse.So I'm very interested to learn why they chose dogs and omitted cats from both their study and from FDA's approval. I asked a Phd involved w/animal studies and he suggests that dogs are sometimes chosen because they will tolerate medications that cats will not. I have not thought much about the cat issue, but did think of a few things. I suspect that before the company did all the research and spent $$$ for the research and FDA process, they wanted to see if the concept would work on dogs and see if the shelters would embrace using the drug. I suspect that dogs initially were chosen because they can be much easier to handle for the people dealing with administering and following these dogs, dogs have larger testicles so easier to be able to feel for changes in the testicle and monitor for other reactions, semen collection was needed to verify sterility (never seen semen collected from a cat!), and I thought of another reason but now can't recall what it was. I did hear a vet lecturer at the vet conference this past January explain the cat/dog drug thing. Not only do cats metabolize a drug differently than dogs do, each cat metabolizes it differently from the next cat (I assume this means that most dogs metabolize the same drug the same way). This is one reason why it has been so very hard for drug companies to produce an effective pain reliever in cats. If the cats all metabolize it differently how can you figure out what dose would be effective and safe for what cat? Cheers, Andrea
RE: Genome Mapping
You can read a little about the efforts to map the canine genome here: http://www.animalbiotechnology.org/default.asp?news_id=577mode=showarti cle There are many other websites with information as well. It has been a coordinated effort by some researchers, a great deal of information has been shared between them - which I don't think is something that typically happens. And in May, the National Human Genome Research Institute (see http://www.genome.gov/11007358) announced that funds would be allocated for mapping the canine genome (the Boxer was chosen as the breed because it has the least amount of variation in its genome of any of 120 breeds studied), as well as for mapping the rhesus monkey, and the cattle genome. Molly, the project to sequence the genome of the Boxer will begin in June at the Whitehead/MIT Center for Genome Research in Cambridge, MA. Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA
Berner-L Digest problems
If you are having problems with the digest and it's coming with each email as a separate attachment, it may be that the setting needs to be switched from digest, to digest-nomime. You can try doing that yourself by going to www.berner.org and clicking on berner-l accounts, it's the old service center. If that doesn't work for you, just let me know and I'll be happy to help get you switched. And if you get a digest that just cuts off after a point because of someone's HTML email, just ask me to resend that digest and I'll be happy to send a plain text version of it to you! Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA
RE: pictures - Everest backpacking in Iowa
And if you haven't had the pleasure of seeing John's photos, you're missing a treat! John, it's a great website, thank you for doing all the work on it! Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA -Original Message- From: John Elftmann First area featured: Yellow River State Forest, Iowa. Photo Gallery link is in the Resources area on the right side of the page (some pictures even have Everest in them :) http://www.caninescottonwoodsandcornfields.com/
RE: The Power of the Pen -- Progress on PA Puppy Mills
And if you would like to send Governor Rendell a message urging him to clamp down on puppy mills in the state and in Lancaster County in particular, you can email him at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] go We have a long way to go in Pennsylvania, and we can always use help to apply pressure on the powers that be! The conditions of the mills in Lancaster are deplorable, they've been protected for years, and I've never accepted any argument such as that's life. If we can't try to find ways to improve things, then I would have to quit the work I do for the breed on health and education. And I for one just refuse to give up thinking that things can be improved! Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA
RE: 2005 National Specialty
Posted for my breeder Tari Hafner 2005 Specialty Chair Let me start out by stating that there are no plans to hold the 2005 national specialty in Lancaster, PA. This rumor was started by someone who is in no way involved with the planning of the specialty and has no first hand knowledge. Rumors are hurtful and damaging at best. Yes, I have been very hurt by these rumors, more than I can even explain here. I just want to correct this statement, then I will be happy to let things rest. I do know how difficult a job the Specialty Chair has, which is why I called Tari last week to ask if there was anything I could do to help. In the course of that conversation she inadvertently let it slip that the site would be in Lancaster. I did my best to let her know the issues and the potential problems with using a site in that region. After a number of other phone calls, I verified that a contract had been negotiated with a hotel in Lancaster, and all it needed was Board approval. If I had felt that I was the only one who would have chosen not to attend a Specialty held in Lancaster, it would have gone no further. But if enough other members were similarly minded, then I feared that the club would once more have a large financial penalty for not having enough rooms at the host hotel booked for the show. The time to find that out was prior to signing the contract - not after. I am very aware of the extra work that I helped cause the Show Committee, and I do apologize for that. It's also evident that we have an enormous task still ahead of us in the way of education and raising the awareness of the general club membership about the issues of commercial breeding and puppy mills. I don't know if there are any plans for the contract with the Lancaster hotel, but it strikes me that it would be invaluable to use it to make Lancaster County officials more aware of the concerns that people have over protection of puppy mills in their county. If we can find a way to make good use of this episode, I think it would be of tremendous benefit! I don't think that there is any need to discuss this topic further on this List, other than to offer help and assistance to the committee doing all of the work. The 2004 Specialty Committee still has a great deal of work ahead, and the work of the 2005 Specialty Committee is already underway. The 2006 Specialty Committee is probably already looking into site selection. So you can easily see where efforts from us all will help make the Specialties run more smoothly for everyone! Pat Long Co-Owner Berner-L And a hard working volunteer for the breed, in many areas Berwyn PA
Univ of Penn Vet School Program
I just got the latest issue of their Bellwether publication today, they have a writeup of a new program that they have instituted, called Kids Caring for Pets. They teach children the responsibilities of caring for pets, and have visited area schools and made presentations. Sounds like an excellent idea! See: http://www.vet.upenn.edu/cias/ for details. Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA
RE: 2005 Specialty
Is the 2005 Specialty actually scheduled to be held in Lancaster County or is this hypothetical? Rose, In answer to your question, the Specialty Committee has changed the site of the Specialty from Lancaster. We'll all be looking forward to learning where it will be held! They have a great deal of hard work ahead, and like all Specialty committees, I know they'll be looking for help and volunteers! Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA
Backing up in a Cart - part 1 (long)
Reposted for Jim, the first time through they got garbled! I have put on many a draft clinic and have seen all kinds of setups where the participant have thought their dog was properly adjusted in their harness but were not. I would suggest that you have your outfit checked out by someone who has been working with carting dogs a little longer than you. I would like to point out that the harness needs to be properly fitted otherwise the dog will be sloshing around in it like you trying to walk around in clown shoes. I would like to point out that the traces are important for transferring any and all FORWARD motion to the cart but are NOT functional in any backing maneuver. The shafts, which are loosely attached by slipping through a Dee ring at the side of the harness or strapped to the shafts by means of a wrapped leather or nylon web buckle (depending on your type of setup) are the main means of transferring backward propulsion. This all can be aided or hindered by how the belly band is positioned on the dog. Proper placement of the belly band is essential in providing a secure feeling for the dog. The proper placement of the belly band is at a position that wraps the dog under the armpits. If you are using a Dog Works harness and are just using the belly band keeper loop at the top of the harness as your guide for where the belly band should go, I'll bet up that it is at least 3-4 away from the armpit area of the dog. If that is the case, then you have at least 3-4 of sloop that the cart can move back and forth without any kind of control from the dog. This just leads to a lot of uncertainty and a loss of confidence in a novice dog. (Experienced dogs will put up with it and could care less.) I would like to point out that the Dog Works harnesses were originally designed for Newfies which have a larger chest/shoulder volume and when a properly sized harness is placed on them, the keeper loop does end up in the proper position. My recommendation to people who take my classes is to either remove the belly band from the keeper loop completely while working and place in proper position, stitch the belly band to the point where the harness crosses over the back at the X point(at the top of the shoulders) or with some harnesses, the keeper loop is of sufficient length to double it back under the x-point of the harness and back over the top which ends up in the proper position. Either way, the armpits are the initial source of energy for moving a cart backwards or controlling a cart on a downslope. If that is the case then the belly band of the harness needs to be close to that origin of control. (N.B. the belly band which is truly a misnomer, more properly known as a girth band.) Another style of harness that is used in draft horses but rarely seen in dog harnesses (but is available) is the use of a 'breeching'. This similar to the chest strap harness style but this portion of the harness goes under the tail and around the butt and hips of the dog. It only comes into play when trying to control massively heavy loads under real work load conditions,(not applicable in draft test conditions.) This additional piece of equipment lends itself to a much more complicated rig that most folks wouldn't want to mess with, under draft test conditions. Here is a site with pictures of it in use with Rotties, http://www.uitlander.com/carting.html It is unfortunate that it isn't more widely adopted because it is certainly more comfortable for the dog. Can you imagine yourselves trying to control a moving load downhill with only a small strap under your own armpits. And consider this, at the same time that same load is trying to force your front legs, which are the stopping force, out from under your body. The alternative is to use the breeching, which uses the most massive muscles of the rear legs and hips to cushion the load while allowing the front legs full control to properly place their footsteps and control the downhill speed of the cart. Unfortunately a lot of old concepts and myths keep getting passed down from one owner to another without due consideration of the efficiency of design. That is what we are facing today. As to teaching a dog to back up in a cart, it does take practice but I have found the easiest way to transfer the concept of backing up to a novice dog is practice on a downhill slope. Any movement backwards brings instant success and lots of praise. I realize now from going to specialties in the midwest, that there are places that don't have hills. (an unbelievable concept to me out here in California.) None the less, you can practice backing with someone that the dog trusts, pulling on the back of the give the cart as you give the command. If your dog backs up out of a harness then it shouldn't to long before it gets the same concept while in harness. Last suggestion is to find someone with a tandem cart setup and a experienced dog that already backs up. Put the two dogs together and the
Backing up in a Cart - part 2
One more thought about backing up. The position of the shafts relative to the dog are also important. The most common offender of this is using the large competition cart with wooden shafts from Dog Works on a smaller novice dog. The problem lies in the fact that there is no adjustablility in the space between the shafts. I normally recommend approx. 2 (two fingers width)between dog harness and shaft to each side. If you have a cart with metal shafts, in most cases they can be adjusted by rotating them inwards. The first clue that your setup is too wide is that the dog can swing his/her butt into a C-shape within the confines of the shaft area. You really need to think about the concept of clown shoes. The dog needs to feel confident and in control of the cart and its load. Minor tuneups can provide major steps forward in confidence of the dog. I've seen it first hand. Again, in an experienced dog these minor things would be ignored or compensated for by the dog. Thus to a novice, that wouldn't be the first thing you would consider. Jim LaFrom San Jose, Ca now get out there and work dem workn'dogs
RE: 2005 National Specialty
Tari, Would you care to correct this statement, or shall I? Pat Long Berwyn PA -Original Message- From: Jenn Waldron Posted for my breeder Tari Hafner 2005 Specialty Chair Let me start out by stating that there are no plans to hold the 2005 national specialty in Lancaster, PA. This rumor was started by someone who is in no way involved with the planning of the specialty and has no first hand knowledge. Rumors are hurtful and damaging at best. Yes, I have been very hurt by these rumors, more than I can even explain here.
RE: Lancaster County National
Radha, You ask some very good questions, and I'd have to do a great deal of research in order to give you specifics. But I'll try to cover most of them with the general information that I've followed over the years. Lancaster is unique because it has a group of people that are protected for several reasons. First, they bring in major tourist dollars to the region. Their way of life and farming style make it an attraction, add a few amusement parks and some large shopping opportunities, and the tourist dollars come rolling in. But the farming life of the Amish and Mennonites are protected by their representatives at the state level, and by the Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture. Time and again, legislation at the state level that would have allowed improvement of the conditions in the mills has been blocked by the Lancaster County elected officials. The mills are often seen as simply one other crop and source of income for the farmers. It is estimated that there are over 200 mill operations in Lancaster County. It's difficult to put an exact figure on it, because of the mill has only 26 dogs or less, they don't need a state license to operate. I've heard of mills that had only 26 dogs being shut down, and the rescue efforts removed over 60 dogs from the facility. Was he listed as a mill anywhere? I couldn't say. Did he have a USDA license? I also couldn't say, but I would doubt it. There have been some reports that the mill owners learned early that if they don't have a USDA license, they don't get investigated. And since many of them sell directly to the Philadelphia buying public for cash only, well, who is going to find out they have a large breeding operation? There are a number of issues involved here. I live in the county directly east of Lancaster, Chester County. I can drive less than 20 miles to at least 4 different pet shops that sell berner puppies. All of those puppies came from Lancaster County. Almost any Sunday, I can find Berner puppies for sale in the paper. The numbers listed are almost always a 717 area code - Lancaster County. Funny thing too, you call and have to leave a message. The Amish don't have phones, so they use their non-Amish neighbors as an answering service. Makes it even harder to track down exactly who is doing the breeding. As for the Specialty, we did get word this morning that the site will not be in Lancaster - which is terrific news! But I welcome any opportunity to try to bring the situation in Lancaster more into the public eye. For those of you who were willing to refuse to attend a specialty held in Lancaster, I'm trying to get some details on where we can write to tell the elected officials in Pennsylvania about that. It would also be nice to let the Lancaster County Tourist bureau know the same information. That until the regulations that already exist in the Animal Welfare Act are more rigorously enforced in Lancaster County, I most certainly won't be spending my tourist dollars in that county. I wrote to them two years ago, and I need to find the information for people to write back in today. Economic pressure does help to effect changes! Hearts United for Animals is the organization that has been doing the most in this area to bring about change, they are the ones that hold the walk in Harrisburg each year, it's been mentioned on the Berner-L before, and I'm sure it will be again. And if you have any ideas that can be used to help improve conditions of breeding dogs in Lancaster County, I do welcome them!! Pat Long ( Luther and a babysat Sam) Berwyn PA
Babies Berners!!
Reposted for Rose (sometimes AOL messages get completely garbled, does anyone know why that would happen?): Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 10:30:03 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Babies Berners!! Hi Karyn any other pregnant Lers!! I have 3 BMD's and had my first human baby 15 months ago. I too was concerned, and did a few things that the article suggested. I especially thought that greeting the dogs w/out the baby upon arriving home from the hospital worked very well. I let my husband stay outside w/the baby (poor baby it was February in NJ! She was bundled up!), while I went in got lots of bernerhugs! When they finally calmed down (about 5 minutes later), my husband came in quietly w/the baby, still in the carry attachment of the car seat. He put her (baby) on the coffee table, and all the dogs just carefully sniffed. Tails wagged, and wagged and wagged! It was very similar to the way they would react to seeing a berner pup! They were very gentle, sniffing wagging... Then they came right back to me for some more pets! They actually were not very interested in the baby at all at first. Shortly after that though, when the baby woke up cried, I must say my male was very concerned. He would pace back forth and then come get me. He really got upset! It was as if he was trying to say Hey Mom what's going on? Can you make that thing stop screaming please! He would go up to the cradle try to sniff her, or sit put his paw up toward her. It was very cute! Of course I had to watch carefully, since he could topple the cradle over by accident. That lasted for the first 2-3 months (she was colicky). I just tried to reassure him that everything was Ok, and that seemed to do it for him, eventually. More of the adjustments came into play once the baby was crawling/walking. As the article suggested, I never - even still - leave the baby unattended w/the dogs. It's just too risky. As much as I love them feel they would NEVER do anything to harm her, you really never know. Something could happen accidentally too. I just don't ever want to be put in that situation. The best suggestion I have is to just pay close attention to your dog. You'll be able to tell if the dog is nervous, stressed etc... If so, I feel continuing to reassure (petting, hugs etc..) can only help. The dog will eventually get used to the new family member. As far as spending less time w/the dogs, NO WAY!! As a matter of fact, I thought it was more important to be with them than ever. When the baby would be napping in her crib I had a chance to catch a few 's, I would let the dogs into my bedroom with me, and even into the bed(which is something they did do from time to time before the baby). This became our special time. They really loved it. It helped me relax get some sleep as well. There's nothing like a few berner bed-buddies to snuggle you keep you warm!! Now that the baby is toddling around, they are all the best of friends! We take daily walks together (of course I can only manage one dog the stroller at a time, so I switch off). And they think she's terrific, because she's always got some sort of snack in her hand (Hey Mom, this kids great!), and she gets a kick out of feeding them! It's really fun to see her interact with the dogs. She even tells them to sit and stay! Adorable!! Well I can go on on... It's been really fun! Good luck to you w/the pregnancy! You couldn't have a better breed to bring your new baby up with!! Rose Tamberino (and big Bernerhugs from Carly, Emma Oscar)!!
RE: stupid questions
It may just be time for a new Berner-L t-shirt, some of you will remember the two different years we did that, first time with a puppy at the computer, and the second with an adult at the computer. But on the back was: Berner fun FAQs 1. Purebred Bernese Mountain Dog 2. From Bern, not Burma 3. Girls, about 70-95; boys, 80-120 4. Not as much as you'd think 5. More than you'd ever imagine! The fun was in making up the matching questions! I always answer inquiries patiently, I do try to keep a sense of humor. But it sure does get frustrating sometimes, and this is the perfect place to blow off the steam and have fun with the sarcastic responses that you'd always love to use! Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA
RE: Random acts of Destruction
Kelli, My Hannibal used to do the exact same thing at Oscar's age. Until we got Vesta. He was so happy to have a buddy - I don't think he ever left her side when we were out. Miss Vesta, however, also had to go through the random acts of wanton destruction phase. Paul got home early one time to tell me that my bad boy Hannibal had wrecked our bedroom and made a twisted mess of my glasses, ate the plastic ends off the glasses, sucked all the Vaseline out of a tube, and just generally committed mayhem. I was grinning when Miss Vesta proceeded to prove (several hours later) that Hannibal had most definitely NOT been the culprit... I made Paul pick up the evidence his sweet innocent little girl so brazenly left in her wake at the Park. Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA
RE: stupid questions
Silly, that was number 5! Hug that Halley for me! Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA -Original Message- From: Janice Parky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You forgot my favorite one. 6. Yes, they shed. Berner fun FAQs 1. Purebred Bernese Mountain Dog 2. From Bern, not Burma 3. Girls, about 70-95; boys, 80-120 4. Not as much as you'd think 5. More than you'd ever imagine! The fun was in making up the matching questions!
RE: Reminder - the Lancaster County PA Boycott
Sylvia, I'm afraid that I'm not kidding on this one. I wish I were! Thanks for getting your feedback in to the club so quickly, I'm sorry to do this to Suzanne, but the club needs to know BEFORE any decisions become finalized! (Her email is [EMAIL PROTECTED]) And just to clarify, it's not that our money would be going to the millers, but supporting the financial well being of a county that defends their millers with zeal! There is a higher concentration of puppy mills in Lancaster County than anywhere else in the country. Pat -Original Message- From: Sylvia Katvala [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Pat, You are kidding about holding the Specialty in Lancaster County or? Please tell me this is not so. I was saving money to go to the 2005 Specialty, but NOT if it's in Lancaster County. Will not give the millers any of my money. Will email the Suzanne Hostetter, the President of the BMDCA and tell her too. Sylvia Katvala Tucson, AZ
Pat Long Photos for Fundraising
I will be doing them on a very limited basis in Texas, as soon as I know what day I will be doing them, I will let you know. I will NOT be available for any photos for any reason for any event held in Lancaster County. These photos have raised over $12,000 for the breed over the years, thanks to all of you who have been willing to let me have fun doing the photos of your dogs! And a huge thanks to Joye Neff for her efforts in making the dogs look so perfect! Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA
RE: Reminder - the Lancaster County PA Boycott
Tom, I'm sorry, I didn't realize! The 2005 people just got the information about the Specialty? Or have they had longer than 2 years? Didn't they realize a year ago or more that they were doing this? Wasn't that 3 years, or is my math really rusty? Couldn't we have used a site that we had used before? Do we really need to have someplace different all the time? We've had some lovely sites in the past, why is there a feeling that we can't ever use the same site again? Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA -Original Message- Generally it's easy to arrange a specialty four years in advance (which the BMDCA doesn't do). It is possible to do one three years out, and difficult to arrange one that is two years away. Do the math -- 2005 is two years away.
RE: (no subject)
Posted in plain text for Sherry: ! have been awake pretty much since Wednesday morning but I had to post this.. I am so proud of my girl Macy..aka... Santera's Evening Masquerade.. Macy freewhelped 18 beautiful Berner babies yesterday. 9 males and 9 females. She began her labor at about 5:30 am yesterday morning. Her first pup was delivered at 8:30 am .. she continued at a relaxed pace for the next 18 hours. Her last pup a small female was delivered at 2:30 am this morning,. sadly that last pup couldn't hang on and we lost her this morning.. Macy had no drugs of any type.. She did it all completely on her own. Puppies all weigh between 14 and 16 ozs. and all but 1 have very nice markings.. 1 has very high white boots on both his front feet. I want to thank Macy's breeder Sandy Novocin for allowing me to choose Macy. I went to Sandy looking for a bitch that had good orthopedics and longevity that could possibly also bring free whelping into my lines.. I have had alot of problems in my lines with having to section everything for very small litters. Macy has been everything I could ask for and more..She has a wonderful temperment and is a nice moving bitch with beautiful expression. The daddy to this litter is my Rigg's..Sunshine-Von Engel's Lethal Weapon. Celia Cuellar bred this wonderful boy. I was fortunate to get him.. He is a beautiful big boy with lots of type..He is a wonderful ambassador to the breed and I am hopeful that he will lend some of his size and beautiful type to this litter. As an added bonus Mom and Dad are both excellents with clear elbows and have nornal eyes, hearts and thryoids. Sandy and Celia.. Thank you for allowing these 2 wonderful dogs to be a part of my breeding program. It is quite an accomplishment in this breed to have a bitch that will free whelp.. let alone such a large litter..and with NO help. I see lot's of supplementing in my future..Anyone know how to find out if there has been a larger litter than this? maybe Macy is a new Titleholder after all now to get some sleep Sherry Von Engel BMD's
Reminder - the Lancaster County PA Boycott
For those of you who have any cause to come spend money in Lancaster County, just a reminder! A boycott has been underway in Lancaster County for some time now. The representatives of the county at the state level have been able to hold up any and almost all legislation that might curtail the rights of their citizens to produce substandard puppies in the most appalling conditions imaginable. A boycott has squeezed their rather substantial tourist industry dramatically enough to make them more interested in reconsidering that position. We still have a way to go, but I for one would refuse to contribute financially to the county (as I have been doing for several years now) - and I will do my best to make that position understandable to any and all. In case you need additional information about the boycott, please see: http://www.hua.org/Prisoners/millpetition1.html http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AdoptAnimals/message/6386 http://www.goodsamaritanpetcenter.net/animalsmills.htm Here's a question for you all. If the BMDCA were to hold a national event in the Northeast area that you would normally attend, and you would choose NOT to attend were that event held in Lancaster County PA, please let the BMDCA president know that. Send your email to Suzanne Hostetter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and tell her whether you would honor a boycott in Lancaster County and not go to a club event at that site. And please do it today!! Thank you in advance! I've been struggling with issues in Lancaster County for too many years to want to support the blasted place now! Watchung - how many rescues have you gotten that were bred in Lancaster? Potomac, how many ads do you see that advertise Berners bred by the many backyard breeders in Lancaster? And those aren't the worst of what Lancaster County produces. I've seen rescue dogs from mills there, I have to believe that there is a special place in Hell warming up for the owners of these mills. Pat Long Berwyn PA
RE: venting - one solution
Andie, Well, we have some baseball cards that will help answer some of those often heard questions and comments! See: http://bernered.homestead.com/Card.html Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA
OT: Computer help needed
This has been bugging me since she first mentioned the problem, I would love to find out the answer!! - Pat --- I need help posting... ever since I got my new computer for Christmas I have been unable to post to the list. Pat Long has verified that I'm still subscribed. I knew that already, since I get the digests daily without fail. I verified with my server that everything is OK from their end. Another computer teckie examined my headings, through several test posts. All seems to be fine there too. The only conclusion is that I may have some settings in a way that prevents me from posting, therefore, I am requesting a response from someone who has the same programs and IS able to post, as desired. When I try to post, I get NO return, no error message. It simply goes off into cyberspace somewhere. The particulars (as I understand them... I'm not particularly computer literate): Windows XP/Microsoft Office 2002 XP; Outlook Express 6. My programs were installed by the folks that sold Dick the computer for me, and I'm thinking that the default or chosen settings at the time of installation are what is preventing me from posting. Anyone out there have the same programs? Can you post to the list? If so, can you correspond with me OFF the list, so I can learn what settings you have, so that I can reset mine? Pamela ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) with Dick at a card game, and the fur kids under the deck keeping cool Hey, lemmee tell about the mousie Quiet, Monty, it wasn't so great. You probably got fleas from it
