Re: [board-discuss] TDF's key goals now in Redmine
Hi Andreas, On 22/06/2020 19:01, Andreas Mantke wrote: > could you please explain what is the next generation? Well, I know where you want to go :) A generation is typically 20 years. New generation, here are the devs/contributors my age or younger. Those still students or entering the world of work.[1] > And why do you think that only younger people will bring 'fresh air and > perception' into the project? To answer your question, ask yourselves whether you were born with a computer? >From a 2 years work at handling the LibreOfficeFR Twitter account, I have realized we sometimes have interesting questions from that "new gen". e.g. "will I loose my documents if I remove LibreOffice". Why that? Because they were born with a smartphone and don't know the usual computer we are used to use: desktop/laptop computer. The same applies to social media. Some, here, don't understand the importance of a polished and proactive (what I call modern) communication like KDE/GNOME are nowadays doing. If you want me to define what's "modern communication", feel free to follow us in the marketing mailing list =) > > I don't see such connection to the age of one. Now you should see. :) Also ask yourselves whether the new generation is using email with mailing list or a beautiful and eye catchy Discourse instance accessible from **mobile** (see rdm#2952 and rdm#3246). > If I interpret the purpose of the Redmine ticket correctly it is not > targeted to developers. The LibreOffice project is not a developer > project only. Sure. But the most important thing to work on is the lack of devs. Have a look at the UI channel, everyone wants to do UI, but we are not enough devs to implement such changes. :) Since I now have recovered plenty of time for the project, virtual hackathons is something I want to lead, at least for the French community. :) > Developers are only one part of the project but their work wouldn't be > successful without e.g. documentation, user support etc. You are absolutely right, this is why in talks about FOSS when I was advocating for it back in the days, I used to say (pardon my harshness): the software as in code would still be there with only devs. However, without all the other skills participating in a FOSS project we would have lost our soul and our community spirit =) Have a nice evening, [1] I didn't follow that path. Made things in reverse order by acquiring a 5+ years of experience in IT/dev than completing my computer management degree... Some would say I walk on the head, which could explain a lot of things :D -- William Gathoye Hypertive volunteer for LibreOffice Proud member of The Document Foundation Member of LaMouette - French based association promoting ODF and LibreOffice -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] TDF's key goals now in Redmine
Hi William, Am 22.06.20 um 13:07 schrieb William Gathoye (LibreOffice): > On 20/06/2020 13:15, Andreas Mantke wrote: > >> the community is not shrinking by the regular process of aging. The age >> of a person is not the key of being a contributor, e.g. I started >> contributing to an open source software project when I was 43 (not 42 >> and I'm active contributing since then. > I think the purpose here is to drive the attention of younger > contributors not fight/replace our elders. :) Some fresh air and > perceptions from the next generation is great to have to unsure the > success of the project for current and forthcoming generations of users. could you please explain what is the next generation? And why do you think that only younger people will bring 'fresh air and perception' into the project? I don't see such connection to the age of one. > > Being myself from the youngest in the community, I have plenty of ideas > to fix this challenge and drive the attention of younger developers. :) If I interpret the purpose of the Redmine ticket correctly it is not targeted to developers. The LibreOffice project is not a developer project only. > > Having followed the project since its very inception (sept 2010) and > reading all mailing list messages, plus the fact I have been in charge > of the LibreOfficeFR Twitter account for 2 years, I have built a modest > list of drawbacks and expectations from the current gen of devs and > those to be. Again: the project is not all about developers. It is and has to be more than that. > > That's why the idea of Redmine is great because, it will allow me to > keep track of current blockers. Thanks for the initiative. Developers are only one part of the project but their work wouldn't be successful without e.g. documentation, user support etc. LibreOffice is not something like a software running on servers (not visible and used by end users) but an office software targeted to end user (with a different set of skills) (I know some of them e.g. from my daily paid work). Regards, Andreas -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] TDF's key goals now in Redmine
Hi Florian, Am 22.06.20 um 08:29 schrieb Florian Effenberger: > Hello Andreas, > > Andreas Mantke wrote: >> the community is not shrinking by the regular process of aging. The age >> of a person is not the key of being a contributor, e.g. I started > > nobody stated so. The ticket says to focus on new/younger > contributors, not ignoring everyone else. We can't do everything at > the same time, so we have to focus on certain things during a certain > phase. > > I remember you were often pointing to the educational sector as one of > our key purposes - doesn't that match nicely with the idea of that > goal? :-) > if I didn't overlook anything, there are people of diverse age inside the educational sector. Thus the focus on the educational sector would be another focus. It would be a focus on an 'industry', not on the age of people. But if you target on e.g. the educational sector you need to identify the different stake holder (and the way to get in contact with them and convince them to get involved). If you read to this document https://shop.stiftungen.org/media/mconnect_uploadfiles/s/t/stiftungsfokus-2018-16-freiwilliges-engagement.pdf (sorry: only German) you find on page 6 an information about getting people involved into volunteer work. And if I remember correctly the foundation association and its co-working organizations published some documents (and strategies) to involve new volunteers. You should use such resources and also various opportunities (there) to get in contact with people from different sectors. Regards, Andreas -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] TDF's key goals now in Redmine
On 20/06/2020 13:15, Andreas Mantke wrote: > the community is not shrinking by the regular process of aging. The age > of a person is not the key of being a contributor, e.g. I started > contributing to an open source software project when I was 43 (not 42 > and I'm active contributing since then. I think the purpose here is to drive the attention of younger contributors not fight/replace our elders. :) Some fresh air and perceptions from the next generation is great to have to unsure the success of the project for current and forthcoming generations of users. Being myself from the youngest in the community, I have plenty of ideas to fix this challenge and drive the attention of younger developers. :) Having followed the project since its very inception (sept 2010) and reading all mailing list messages, plus the fact I have been in charge of the LibreOfficeFR Twitter account for 2 years, I have built a modest list of drawbacks and expectations from the current gen of devs and those to be. That's why the idea of Redmine is great because, it will allow me to keep track of current blockers. Thanks for the initiative. Regards, -- William Gathoye Hypertive volunteer for LibreOffice Proud member of The Document Foundation Member of LaMouette - French based association promoting ODF and LibreOffice -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] TDF's key goals now in Redmine
Hello Andreas, Andreas Mantke wrote: the community is not shrinking by the regular process of aging. The age of a person is not the key of being a contributor, e.g. I started nobody stated so. The ticket says to focus on new/younger contributors, not ignoring everyone else. We can't do everything at the same time, so we have to focus on certain things during a certain phase. I remember you were often pointing to the educational sector as one of our key purposes - doesn't that match nicely with the idea of that goal? :-) Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
