Re: [board-discuss] Re: Access To Membership Data

2021-05-31 Thread Uwe Altmann

Hi Andreas

Am 30.05.21 um 20:22 schrieb Andreas Mantke:

Have you already compared the details of meetings and decision making
for the board and the MC in the statutes. There are differences which
need to be considered for the access and the processing of the personal
data (of members and applicants).


You may save me a lot of time and work accomplishing this, giving also the 
sources.
Personally I can't see regulations for data processing in our statutes e.g. 
But besides this, German law provides a lot of special rights to 
information for members of an association like TDF. But this does not touch 
the way the tendered software shall work.

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Re: [board-discuss] Re: Access To Membership Data

2021-05-31 Thread Uwe Altmann

Hi Andreas
Am 30.05.21 um 20:22 schrieb Andreas Mantke:

I already opened a new thread. I changed the subject of this thread (in
accordance to the usual way I know for mailing lists).


No, technically you didn't :-)
Just changing the subject isn't enough, because mail readers use the 
message ID of the mail you answered to thread mails (at least Thunderbird 
does) which will be written into the mail header when answering an existing 
mail. And you answered an existing mail which will keep your answer in the 
tread instead of opening a new one, despite of the subject's text. This 
will only used by some mail readers if the ID of the mail answered isn't 
available.
To be sure to open a new thread you have to write a brand new mail instead 
of clicking an "answer" button.

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Re: [board-discuss] Re: Access To Membership Data

2021-05-30 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Uwe, all,

Am 30.05.21 um 12:04 schrieb Uwe Altmann:
> Hi Andreas
>
> Am 29.05.21 um 08:49 schrieb Andreas Mantke:
>> could you please explain who have and who should have access to the
>> membership data (old tooling and new tooling) please...I found nothing
>> about this in the detailed specifications for the tender.
>
> First of all: This tender is based on a software specification and not
> on a description of the working processes of the MC.  The latter are
> just subject as far as it seems necessary to describe the needed
> software functionality.
>
> And this list thread should hold on that tender. Feel free to open
> another thread for anything else.
I already opened a new thread. I changed the subject of this thread (in
accordance to the usual way I know for mailing lists).
>
> You did nothing find on data access in the specs because you obviously
> read only some few pages. In short: Regulating data access is not a
> function of the tendered software but in fact a function of granting
> access to it by our SSO solution. You find that described at page 14
> of the specs - including the information who is intended to be able to
> access the software and thereby the data.

OK, got it now.

Have you already compared the details of meetings and decision making
for the board and the MC in the statutes. There are differences which
need to be considered for the access and the processing of the personal
data (of members and applicants).

Regards,
Andreas

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Re: [board-discuss] Re: Access To Membership Data (was: Re: [board-discuss] Tender to implement the new TDF Membership Committee’s web-based tooling)

2021-05-30 Thread Uwe Altmann

Hi Andreas

Am 29.05.21 um 08:49 schrieb Andreas Mantke:
could you please explain who have and who should have access to the 
membership data (old tooling and new tooling) please...I found nothing

about this in the detailed specifications for the tender.


First of all: This tender is based on a software specification and not on a 
description of the working processes of the MC.  The latter are just 
subject as far as it seems necessary to describe the needed software 
functionality.


And this list thread should hold on that tender. Feel free to open another 
thread for anything else.


You did nothing find on data access in the specs because you obviously read 
only some few pages. In short: Regulating data access is not a function of 
the tendered software but in fact a function of granting access to it by 
our SSO solution. You find that described at page 14 of the specs - 
including the information who is intended to be able to access the software 
and thereby the data.

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[board-discuss] Re: Access To Membership Data (was: Re: [board-discuss] Tender to implement the new TDF Membership Committee’s web-based tooling)

2021-05-29 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Uwe, all,

Am 28.05.21 um 23:32 schrieb Uwe Altmann:
> (...)
> All right for the mentioned "core business" - or in other words: the goals of 
> the foundation following our statutes. That's how a community works we 
> believe. Besides: LO in no way is or ever was "volunteer project" (a 
project has a start and an end). It's a community with a high extent of 
volunteer engagement. 
> But this is in no way right if it comes to administrative decisions. To 
stay in the above example: It sounds rather silly to start a community wide 
discussion on which software we will use to do our bookkeeping. And in 
our case, the MC is "the doers". The tooling we use until today emerged exactly 
the way you described above: Someone set up something which was far way better 
than nothing. But it has some severe immanent drawbacks. And 
we understood that we don't have the skills to set up a solution by our own 
which satisfies our needs.
>
could you please explain who have and who should have access to the
membership data (old tooling and new tooling) please?

Has they / should the have access to all membership data from the start
of TDF up to now?

I found nothing about this in the detailed specifications for the tender.

Regards,
Andreas

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