Re: [steering-discuss] Preparing elections for the membership committee
Hi, to sum things up as I have an impression they are diesred: - We would nominate Thorsten as election officer (who then would step back as MC deputy), - and we would like to elect 5 members and 2 deputies in the new MC, - and we don't want to freeze membership applications. Please, all BoD members, cast your vote on these topics in case you haven't yet. What we should agree on soon is whether to run the vote just now and wait with the legal set-up until the Foundation is in existence, or whether we take the existing MC (needing a deputy for Thorsten, since he's in the BoD already) and have a gentlemen's agreement that they step back on let's say effective July 1st. I am in favor of this solution. André, did the MC discuss that during yesterday's call? In case we go with the July-1st-solution, all current MC members need to agree to be willing to serve in the legal body of the future Foundation and be mentioned in the founding documents. I'm pushing here a bit since November 4th, on which your timeline is based, is close. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Board of Directors at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Preparing elections for the membership committee
Em 01-11-2011 11:26, Florian Effenberger escreveu: Hi, to sum things up as I have an impression they are diesred: - We would nominate Thorsten as election officer (who then would step back as MC deputy), +1 - and we would like to elect 5 members and 2 deputies in the new MC, +1 - and we don't want to freeze membership applications. +1 Please, all BoD members, cast your vote on these topics in case you haven't yet. What we should agree on soon is whether to run the vote just now and wait with the legal set-up until the Foundation is in existence, or whether we take the existing MC (needing a deputy for Thorsten, since he's in the BoD already) and have a gentlemen's agreement that they step back on let's say effective July 1st. I am in favor of this solution. André, did the MC discuss that during yesterday's call? In case we go with the July-1st-solution, all current MC members need to agree to be willing to serve in the legal body of the future Foundation and be mentioned in the founding documents. I'm pushing here a bit since November 4th, on which your timeline is based, is close. Florian -- Olivier Hallot Founder, Board of Directors Member - The Document Foundation LibreOffice translation leader for Brazilian Portuguese +55-21-8822-8812 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Preparing elections for the membership committee
Florian Effenberger wrote: - and we would like to elect 5 members and 2 deputies in the new MC, +1 - and we don't want to freeze membership applications. +1 (going with the flow :)) take the existing MC (needing a deputy for Thorsten, since he's in the BoD already) and have a gentlemen's agreement that they step back on let's say effective July 1st. +1 Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Preparing elections for the membership committee
On Tue, 2011-11-01 at 14:26 +0100, Florian Effenberger wrote: - We would nominate Thorsten as election officer (who then would step back as MC deputy), +1 - and we would like to elect 5 members and 2 deputies in the new MC, +1 - and we don't want to freeze membership applications. +1 we take the existing MC (needing a deputy for Thorsten, since he's in the BoD already) and have a gentlemen's agreement that they step back on let's say effective July 1st. OK -- Italo Vignoli tel +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 it...@italovignoli.com skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Preparing elections for the membership committee
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) I have assumed that Thorsten has not stepped down from MC or something. Whatever he was stepping down from was in order for him to be able to do some work that he is being blocked from doing anyway right? So until the job needs to be started i think Thorsten is still on whatever it was he was going to step down from. Sorry, i just got a bit muddled. The MC is in charge of supervising the BoD election so clearly someone running for a BoD possition cannot be member of the MC The MC is in charge of supervising Solemn Address and Impeachment of the Board of Directors. again that create a conflict of interest if one is allowed to be BoD member and MC member. So, MC membership and BoD membership and candidacy are mutually exclusive. This has been overlooked during this election cycle. Thorsthen should have resigned of his MC position as soon as he declared his intention to run for a BoD position. I don;t think that there is any suspicion that this 'irregularity' had any impact on the election, and clearly Thorsten election and behavior are beyond reproach. Still, The forms do matter, and even the impression of impropriety can create un-welcomed drama/suspiction/FUD etc... Hence the necessity to rectify the situation, hence Thorsten stepping down from his MC responsibilities. Does that clarifies it ? Norbert -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Preparing elections for the membership committee
Hi :) Yes, thanks :) I thought there was an impending problem rather than an existing problem. I doubt anyone here minds and even the most determined drone would have trouble trying to state a case even if there were an objection. So, it's all good Regards from Tom :) --- On Tue, 1/11/11, Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com wrote: From: Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Preparing elections for the membership committee To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Date: Tuesday, 1 November, 2011, 15:16 On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) I have assumed that Thorsten has not stepped down from MC or something. Whatever he was stepping down from was in order for him to be able to do some work that he is being blocked from doing anyway right? So until the job needs to be started i think Thorsten is still on whatever it was he was going to step down from. Sorry, i just got a bit muddled. The MC is in charge of supervising the BoD election so clearly someone running for a BoD possition cannot be member of the MC The MC is in charge of supervising Solemn Address and Impeachment of the Board of Directors. again that create a conflict of interest if one is allowed to be BoD member and MC member. So, MC membership and BoD membership and candidacy are mutually exclusive. This has been overlooked during this election cycle. Thorsthen should have resigned of his MC position as soon as he declared his intention to run for a BoD position. I don;t think that there is any suspicion that this 'irregularity' had any impact on the election, and clearly Thorsten election and behavior are beyond reproach. Still, The forms do matter, and even the impression of impropriety can create un-welcomed drama/suspiction/FUD etc... Hence the necessity to rectify the situation, hence Thorsten stepping down from his MC responsibilities. Does that clarifies it ? Norbert -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Preparing elections for the membership committee
Florian Effenberger wrote: With the caveat that Thorsten must resign as MC-deputy, since one cannot be BoD and MC member at once. good point, indeed. Thorsten, in case you get voted as election officer, would you step back from your MC deputy role? Hi Florian, all, yes indeed, as a board member, I resign as Fridrich's MC deputy. Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Preparing elections for the membership committee
On Sun, 2011-10-30 at 13:28 -0200, David Emmerich Jourdain wrote: - In a nutshell, this means: We either can decide to nominate the current MC as the first MC and have a gentlemen's agreement that they step back as soon as the foundation is in place, leading to new elections about 45 days later on. IMHO, I don't see why can we not adopt this option. The current MC proved that was (and is) impartial and deeply focused on meritocracy, essential factors for an MC. For me, the current MC proved that's fully deserving of this gentlemen's agreement. Agreed. I too prefer this for two reasons: a) it -may- allow us to setup the foundation more quickly, at least we are not blocking on a fairly artificial timeline b) it adds a staggered election into the process from founding, such that we are not electing the MC and the Board at the same time - which IMHO is critical anyway So - I too would prefer to stick with the MC we have, and elect it shortly after founding. Then again - I'm agnostic on the point; if the founding is further delayed, perhaps having an elected initial MC in place is fine. ATB, Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Preparing elections for the membership committee
Hello, Michael Meeks wrote on 2011-10-31 11:41: a) it -may- allow us to setup the foundation more quickly, at least we are not blocking on a fairly artificial timeline I think if so, it just would delay two weeks, IMHO noncritical after this amount of time. b) it adds a staggered election into the process from founding, such that we are not electing the MC and the Board at the same time - which IMHO is critical anyway That's indeed a very good thing. So - I too would prefer to stick with the MC we have, and elect it shortly after founding. So, we have two choices: 1. Either vote now and have a newly voted-on MC for the legal setup. 2. Keep the existing MC and they do a gentleman's agreement to step back by let's say June or July 1st next year. Legally, it's no problem, since the Founder (FrODeV) simply nominates those who should be in charge, for elections thereafter, however, the official voting rules in the statutes are enforced. However, for #2, we need either a replacement for Thorsten and a decision by the BoD to go with less MC members (even with Thorsten's replacement, the current MC only has 3 members and two deputies, but we would need five plus two), or a more MC members. André, can you talk to the MC tonight and see what they prefer and make a proposal? If the BoD then votes on it, we should be good to go. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Board of Directors at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Preparing elections for the membership committee
Hi, 2011/10/30 Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Hello, André Schnabel wrote on 2011-10-26 21:48: as we have discussed previously, the paragraphs about the membership committee in the current statutes draft differ in some points from what we have in the bylaws. I hope, I can provide a translation of the relevant paragraphs early next week. But I want to have some discussion on the matter already in the first BoD meeting. a short summary from the last call: - For the legal set-up of the foundation, we need the elected names. This would not happen before December 6th. - In case we have authority approval for the foundation set-up before, this would delay the set-up until the 6th. (NB: When we will have authority approval is hard to predict, but more on that soon on a blogpost.) - For the inital set-up of the foundation, the founder (German association of FrODeV) is free to name anyone for the MC. They will of course stick to the voting decision. As soon as the foundation is in place, however, we have to stick to the election rules set forth in our statues, and they foresee a 45 day advance notification period of the elections. - In a nutshell, this means: We either can decide to nominate the current MC as the first MC and have a gentlemen's agreement that they step back as soon as the foundation is in place, leading to new elections about 45 days later on. IMHO, I don't see why can we not adopt this option. The current MC proved that was (and is) impartial and deeply focused on meritocracy, essential factors for an MC. For me, the current MC proved that's fully deserving of this gentlemen's agreement. I vote for this option. Best, David - Or we indeed wait until the current election is done and nominate those voted on for the first MC. Although it might mean a delay, I tend to go for the latter option. This is much cleaner, and as we don't know if we will have authority confirmation before the 6th, we're basically talking about a delay of 2-4 weeks, so be it. Thoughts? Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org** Board of Directors at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+help@** documentfoundation.org steering-discuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**documentfoundation.org/www/** steering-discuss/http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Preparing elections for the membership committee
Hi, David Emmerich Jourdain wrote on 2011-10-30 16:28: IMHO, I don't see why can we not adopt this option. The current MC proved that was (and is) impartial and deeply focused on meritocracy, essential factors for an MC. For me, the current MC proved that's fully deserving of this gentlemen's agreement. I have full trust in the current MC, no doubts about that. The issue that makes me favor the other option (wait until the new MC is in place) is that it would avoid having elections very soon after the legal set-up, which is rather time consuming. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Board of Directors at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Preparing elections for the membership committee
Hi, Am 30.10.2011 17:09, schrieb Norbert Thiebaud: Maybe we can do with the current MC as 'initially designated' for the first 6 month of the foundation and organize a MC election then, since it would be a good idea to have BoD election and MC election somewhat separated to avoid 'oversight'/'membership' issues. Seems reasonable to me - as long as there is a substitude for Thorsten and all of the other MC members agree to be on duty for another 6 months. regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Preparing elections for the membership committee
Hi, 2011/10/30 André Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net: Hi, Am 30.10.2011 17:09, schrieb Norbert Thiebaud: Maybe we can do with the current MC as 'initially designated' for the first 6 month of the foundation and organize a MC election then, since it would be a good idea to have BoD election and MC election somewhat separated to avoid 'oversight'/'membership' issues. Seems reasonable to me - as long as there is a substitude for Thorsten and all of the other MC members agree to be on duty for another 6 months. Agreed on both. Kind regards Sophie -- Founding member of The Document Foundation -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Preparing elections for the membership committee
Norbert Thiebaud wrote: 'Freezing' the membership does not necessarily means stop processing applications, but just that the list of eligible member for the election is 'frozen' at that date. The list of member can still grow, but people that get membershp after the freeze date are not eligible to vote in that election. I'd still suggest to suspend MC work during that time - sure, people can still apply for membership, and sure, MC members can send out receival confirmations. But since it's the very MC that is then standing for election, I think it is standard practice that this body cease to make decisions during that time. Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Preparing elections for the membership committee
2011/10/26 André Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net: We had some discussion, if we should freeze again the membership process. BoD should decide on that (I personally would not like to have again some weeks where we do not accept new members, at the other hand it might be easy to challenge the vote, if we don't freeze.) 'Freezing' the membership does not necessarily means stop processing applications, but just that the list of eligible member for the election is 'frozen' at that date. The list of member can still grow, but people that get membershp after the freeze date are not eligible to vote in that election. Norbert -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
