Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?
I think part of the problem is the rise of client server databases with the internet. It's a bit of an irony because to start with OOo used the principle of connecting to a database rather than including the old Addabas that was with StarOffice. Snag now is that even if the use of Base is minority it's difficult to withdraw it without upsetting them. Ian Sent from my Android Smartphone. www.theingots.org On 13 Sep 2011 00:16, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Done that. Been there. It didn't work. Base is dying. Can we just admit that and remove it from LO? Regards from Tom :) --- On Mon, 12/9/11, Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org wrote: From: Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list? To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Date: Monday, 12 September, 2011, 15:34 Tom Davies wrote: Do you mean how many expressed an interest and tried to give it a go during t... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?
On 13/09/2011 08:43, Ian Lynch wrote: I think part of the problem is the rise of client server databases with the internet. It's a bit of an irony because to start with OOo used the principle of connecting to a database rather than including the old Addabas that was with StarOffice. Snag now is that even if the use of Base is minority it's difficult to withdraw it without upsetting them. Ian Sent from my Android Smartphone. www.theingots.org On 13 Sep 2011 00:16, Tom Daviestomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Done that. Been there. It didn't work. Base is dying. Can we just admit that and remove it from LO? Regards from Tom :) Why not find a way to integrate connectivity to all the major databases such as mysql and MsSQL servers? --- On Mon, 12/9/11, Thorsten Behrenst...@documentfoundation.org wrote: From: Thorsten Behrenst...@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list? To: Tom Daviestomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Date: Monday, 12 September, 2011, 15:34 Tom Davies wrote: Do you mean how many expressed an interest and tried to give it a go during t... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?
Tom Davies wrote: Done that. Been there. It didn't work. Base is dying. Can we just admit that and remove it from LO? Hi Tom, why do you think it's dying? And removing it from LO is not an option for me. People using it need to step up, and start getting involved - and I'm sure they will. Free software is a lot about scratching your itches - if something does not work properly, get your hands dirty try fixing it. We'll all happily answer code questions over at libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?
Hi :) Base does support a lot of different back-ends but it needs to have a default one. The current default seems to be quite troublesome so people are often told to use something else such PostGreSql or MariaDb / MySql. MariaDb is the same as MySql except that it is developing fast and has almost all the MySql community including the original developers. The community were even more unhappy with being under Oracle than they were under Sun so they forked off and formed a new organisation so that they could push through a large number of bug-fixes and developments that Sun / Oracle had been blocking for years. I did mention this earlier in this thread but i know it's difficult to keep track of issues like that when this list is not focused on Base so i guess i have to mention it again. MySql is in roughly the same state as OOo before Apache got involved. MariaDb is a drop-in replacement with a much stronger future. Clearly people on this list don't know much about usign Base. When you open Base the first thing it asks is which back-end you would like to use and there is a drop-down that includes the various back-ends mentioned and more but has a default of HqSql. Again i guess it's something that people on this list might not be aware of so it's a opint that will probably have to be mentioned several times in the course of any discussion about Base in this or any of the other existing lists. If the PostGreSql people could be encouraged to send some devs to work on Base then that would be a huge help and would greatly help tighter integration with that particular back-end. It would be nice to include other people that are interested in working on various aspects of Base, eg doumentation, devs, maybe design etc but not all those people are on this list. Perhaps one way would be to cross-post any discussion about Base so that all the lists got any post about Base? That would neatly avoid having to set-up a new list and still reach the various different people :) Regards from Tom :) --- On Tue, 13/9/11, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: From: Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list? To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Date: Tuesday, 13 September, 2011, 9:17 On 13 September 2011 07:47, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.comwrote: On 13/09/2011 08:43, Ian Lynch wrote: I think part of the problem is the rise of client server databases with the internet. It's a bit of an irony because to start with OOo used the principle of connecting to a database rather than including the old Addabas that was with StarOffice. Snag now is that even if the use of Base is minority it's difficult to withdraw it without upsetting them. Ian Sent from my Android Smartphone. www.theingots.org On 13 Sep 2011 00:16, Tom Daviestomdavie...@yahoo.co.**uktomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Done that. Been there. It didn't work. Base is dying. Can we just admit that and remove it from LO? Regards from Tom :) Why not find a way to integrate connectivity to all the major databases such as mysql and MsSQL servers? This was the method in the early days. I assume it still works. At the weekend at the Apache Bar Camp I was talking to PostgreSQL developers who are very interested in better integration with OOo/Libo. We are likely to be working together on training and certification so there are possibilities to get some funding to this development but its going to take a little time. They are applying for FP7 funding through the EU and we can complement that with Lifelong Learning projects. --- On Mon, 12/9/11, Thorsten Behrensthb@**documentfoundation.orgt...@documentfoundation.org wrote: From: Thorsten Behrensthb@**documentfoundation.orgt...@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list? To: Tom Daviestomdavie...@yahoo.co.**uk tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: steering-discuss@**documentfoundation.orgsteering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Date: Monday, 12 September, 2011, 15:34 Tom Davies wrote: Do you mean how many expressed an interest and tried to give it a go during t... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+help@** documentfoundation.org steering-discuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**documentfoundation.org/www/** steering-discuss/http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg
Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?
Hi :) As i keep pointing out TDF started up almost exactly 1 year ago. All the other apps have a number of people that work on them or happily move between the different apps but none touch base. Quirks and regressions are quite common in Base between one release of LO and another. The regressions sometimes get posted as bug-reports but almost no devs are working on Base so they don't get fixed. The current 'plan' of sitwait has NOT worked during the last 1 year and shows no sign of working soon. It would be nice to have a list dedicated to Base where we could discuss issues about how to re-invigorate that part of the project. Regards from Tom :) --- On Tue, 13/9/11, Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org wrote: From: Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list? To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Date: Tuesday, 13 September, 2011, 9:25 Tom Davies wrote: Done that. Been there. It didn't work. Base is dying. Can we just admit that and remove it from LO? Hi Tom, why do you think it's dying? And removing it from LO is not an option for me. People using it need to step up, and start getting involved - and I'm sure they will. Free software is a lot about scratching your itches - if something does not work properly, get your hands dirty try fixing it. We'll all happily answer code questions over at libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?
Hi :) Hmmm, if you depend on Base then i think it's about time you start looking into switching to Kexi. It supports a variety of back-ends, just as Base does, but it does have a large number of devs actively working on it. I think we have to start recommending Kexi to anyone that has any problem with Base as Base's problems are unlikely to get fixed given the determination here of blocking any plans to develop a Base community within TDF. Regards from Tom :) --- On Tue, 13/9/11, Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org wrote: From: Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list? To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Date: Tuesday, 13 September, 2011, 9:25 Tom Davies wrote: Done that. Been there. It didn't work. Base is dying. Can we just admit that and remove it from LO? Hi Tom, why do you think it's dying? And removing it from LO is not an option for me. People using it need to step up, and start getting involved - and I'm sure they will. Free software is a lot about scratching your itches - if something does not work properly, get your hands dirty try fixing it. We'll all happily answer code questions over at libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?
Hi, On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: Why not find a way to integrate connectivity to all the major databases such as mysql and MsSQL servers? Yes, that would be great indeed. I can hear Michael Meeks thinking, Well start developing the code then. Anyway, I think it would be a great pity to give up on Base, because it has the potential to be an enormous power feature of the LibreOffice suite. As a general thing in the LibreOffice project, I think we need to think seriously about a determined recruitment drive, for Base and for various other areas of the project. Just waiting for people to volunteer does not seem to be enough to cater to our needs for contributors. Marketing guys, can you give this consideration? -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:05 AM, David Nelson li...@traduction.biz wrote: Hi, On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: Why not find a way to integrate connectivity to all the major databases such as mysql and MsSQL servers? Yes, that would be great indeed. I can hear Michael Meeks thinking, Well start developing the code then. Anyway, I think it would be a great pity to give up on Base, because it has the potential to be an enormous power feature of the LibreOffice suite. As a general thing in the LibreOffice project, I think we need to think seriously about a determined recruitment drive, for Base and for various other areas of the project. Just waiting for people to volunteer does not seem to be enough to cater to our needs for contributors. Marketing guys, can you give this consideration? yes but not _here_ Norbert -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?
Norbert Thiebaud wrote (13-09-11 22:49) yes but not _here_ Indeed - see the marketing list ;-) -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?
Tom Davies wrote: Do you mean how many expressed an interest and tried to give it a go during the past year or do you mean how many at any one time or do you mean how many right now? All of that would be useful to know. A list does not magically make a community appear. I'd suggest either discuss@ or libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org to attempt to coagulate interested parties - libreoffice@fdo has the advantage that Cc-ing unsubscribed parties permits them to answer to the list w/o moderation. Feel free to Cc (or Bcc) the folks you'd think might be interested, by proposing some specific things to do (like the developer docs you mentioned). Once there's people working on stuff, and still want a separate list, feel encouraged to come back with a proposal here. Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?
Hi :) Done that. Been there. It didn't work. Base is dying. Can we just admit that and remove it from LO? Regards from Tom :) --- On Mon, 12/9/11, Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org wrote: From: Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list? To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Date: Monday, 12 September, 2011, 15:34 Tom Davies wrote: Do you mean how many expressed an interest and tried to give it a go during the past year or do you mean how many at any one time or do you mean how many right now? All of that would be useful to know. A list does not magically make a community appear. I'd suggest either discuss@ or libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org to attempt to coagulate interested parties - libreoffice@fdo has the advantage that Cc-ing unsubscribed parties permits them to answer to the list w/o moderation. Feel free to Cc (or Bcc) the folks you'd think might be interested, by proposing some specific things to do (like the developer docs you mentioned). Once there's people working on stuff, and still want a separate list, feel encouraged to come back with a proposal here. Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?
Hello Tom, 2011/9/11 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Hi :) A few people have asked about starting up a new mailing list to try to bring together people that want to work on Base. People from Documentation, Developers perhaps later on some people from Design. At the moment there are people that want to work on Base but each is isolated and 'waiting' for people on other teams to do things that need to be done before they can start. Could we start up a new mailing list to allow cross-group collaboration on Base? Who should i ask to set it up? Should i ask the web team? Regards from Tom :) -- what would be the goal of such a list beyond bringing people together? Do you have team(s) of volunteers from documentation, development and design ready to take action ? I'm a bit concerned that one more mailing list is not going to magically solve Base's lack of contributors... Best, Charles. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?
How about the discuss@ list with a [Base] prefix? Best, Charles. 2011/9/11 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Hi :) No, it's a few individuals scattered across a few different lists. Bringing the few people together might be enough to help them start getting some work done. One more mailing list might not be enough but it could be a good start. Regards from Tom :) --- On Sun, 11/9/11, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: From: Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list? To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Date: Sunday, 11 September, 2011, 15:04 Hello Tom, 2011/9/11 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Hi :) A few people have asked about starting up a new mailing list to try to bring together people that want to work on Base. People from Documentation, Developers perhaps later on some people from Design. At the moment there are people that want to work on Base but each is isolated and 'waiting' for people on other teams to do things that need to be done before they can start. Could we start up a new mailing list to allow cross-group collaboration on Base? Who should i ask to set it up? Should i ask the web team? Regards from Tom :) -- what would be the goal of such a list beyond bringing people together? Do you have team(s) of volunteers from documentation, development and design ready to take action ? I'm a bit concerned that one more mailing list is not going to magically solve Base's lack of contributors... Best, Charles. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?
Don't be sorry. First of all, it's all imho. Second, it's not that it's too much trouble. It's a matter of management and efficiency. Small and large FOSS projects tend to be rather conservative when it comes to opening new lists and the way it's supposed to work is not that if you have a mailing list, something will happen, but the opposite (if something happens with enough momentum it becomes threads and threads of discussion and actual work, then create a mailing list). The risk is that you end up with twenty different mailing list you won't follow,but worse, most of these mailing lists won't have an actual workig purpose.I think if there's a team that is fixing bugs on Base and liaising with documentation volunteers right now but facing communication issues, then there might be an interest. On the other hand, these things tend to evolve overtime and the situation can change :-) ... best, Charles. 2011/9/11 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Hi :) Ok, sorry i asked. If it's too much trouble to set up a list then it's not worth it. Regards from Tom :) --- On Sun, 11/9/11, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: From: Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list? To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Date: Sunday, 11 September, 2011, 15:58 I thought everyone was on discuss@. However your argument of yet another list is almost a contradiction with your initial request. And I'm sure if there's an interest to work on Base, then people will cope with being on an existing list. best, Charles. 2011/9/11 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Hi :) People are often unwilling to join yet another list as it would mean having to deal with a ton of irrelevant emails. Individuals might be willing to join a low-traffic list specific to Base but not yet another list that just provides so much distraction. Regards from Tom :) --- On Sun, 11/9/11, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: From: Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list? To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Date: Sunday, 11 September, 2011, 15:43 How about the discuss@ list with a [Base] prefix? Best, Charles. 2011/9/11 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Hi :) No, it's a few individuals scattered across a few different lists. Bringing the few people together might be enough to help them start getting some work done. One more mailing list might not be enough but it could be a good start. Regards from Tom :) --- On Sun, 11/9/11, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: From: Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list? To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Date: Sunday, 11 September, 2011, 15:04 Hello Tom, 2011/9/11 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Hi :) A few people have asked about starting up a new mailing list to try to bring together people that want to work on Base. People from Documentation, Developers perhaps later on some people from Design. At the moment there are people that want to work on Base but each is isolated and 'waiting' for people on other teams to do things that need to be done before they can start. Could we start up a new mailing list to allow cross-group collaboration on Base? Who should i ask to set it up? Should i ask the web team? Regards from Tom :) -- what would be the goal of such a list beyond bringing people together? Do you have team(s) of volunteers from documentation, development and design ready to take action ? I'm a bit concerned that one more mailing list is not going to magically solve Base's lack of contributors... Best, Charles. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h
Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?
Hi Tom, On Sun, 2011-09-11 at 14:39 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: A few people have asked about starting up a new mailing list to try to bring together people that want to work on Base. People from Documentation, Developers perhaps later on some people from Design. Is there already a diverse set of private mails on the topic ? that show a mailing list is useful ? the developers list discusses work on all components - and of course the idea of a Base: suffix is there. Also - given the volume of devs. on the dev list you may well get some advice and assistance :-) At the moment there are people that want to work on Base but each is isolated and 'waiting' for people on other teams to do things What needs to be done before the bug fixing starts - that's what I'm interested in ? :-) I see Lionel fixing some bugs but ... ;-) Thanks, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?
On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: HI :) Base needs to have some documentation to help devs understand what it's trying to do. With the other apps it's much easier to have an overview even without having any documentation but Base is a lot more complex. Also there needs to be some discussion between devs and other people to decide what to use instead of java, and the direction to take generally. Apparently the default HqSql back-end is fairly troublesome but there is a new project MariaDb that is a drop-in replacement for MySql that might be much better as a back-end. MariaDb is basically almost the entire community that worked on MySql including some of the original people plus a load of new people that joined since the project broke free from Sun/Oracle. MariaDB is like MySql, so it is a nice and powerful database, but too heavy weight(*) for a 'default' back-end. SQLite sound like a much better match for the task. (*) by too heavy weight, I'm referring to installation, configuration, need for started-task/daemon, need for periodic maintenance etc... Anyway it needs a small team of people to try out different back-ends to see which are viable as back-ends and which might be easiest to have as the default one. Perhaps bringing their recommendation back to steering-discuss to make an informed vote. That's not how it works... voting is not the answer... doing is. I'm pretty sure that if somebody step up to make a viable support for a self-contained back-end, it will fidn its way into the code by consensus, without the need for a 'vote', or getting the steering commity or future BoD involved in any ways. BTW this is already listed as an 'Easy Hack' : http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Easy_Hacks#default_to_SQLite_not_HSQLDB_in_Base So clearly this is not a technical/political disagreement, but just a matter of someone stepping up to do the work... As i understand it the current infra-structure is leading to Base gently crumbling away through neglect. It is not an infrastructure problem. it is a lack of interest problem. Experienced devs steer well away from Base. New ones need to learn more understanding about coding or about Base or about both. Every time an individual joins and is keen to work on some aspect of Base they realise it's a completely tangled mess and they would be the only person working on it so they get discouraged and give-up. That is true for every part of the product. the effort needed to find your way in the code is high, and base is not special in that regard. I seriously doubt that it is easier to find your way around writer than it is to find your way around base. Yes it would be great to have input from the entire devs list but 1. They are not interested in Base That is indeed a problem, but I fail to see how starting to section the community vertically ( vs horizontally like the ml are now) will help 2. The non-coders that want to do non-coding work on Base (eg Documentation, perhaps marketing, perhaps design of aspects of the UI that only appear in Base, the wizards and so on) would be unable to understand. I don't understand what you mean with that paragraph... Norbert -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
