Re: Playing Politics

2002-10-03 Thread Deborah Harrell

--- Matthew and Julie Bos wrote:
 On 9/28/02 3:30 AM, Doug [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  This is not how a great nation should debate
 issues of war and peace.
  To question people's patriotism for simply raising
 questions about how a
  war is to be fought and won -- to say that anybody
 who doesn't support
  the president's particular policy on national
 security is against
  national security -- is not only insulting, it's
 immoral.
  
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/27/opinion/27GEPH.html?tntemail1
 
 To accuse only the Republicans of politicizing the
 war exposes the polarity
 of your views on the matter.  I have a question for
 you.  Why should the
 interests of a labor union dictate matters of
 national security?  Is it in
 the best interests of the US to have a union dictate
 labor rules in the
 Dept. of Homeland Defense?  Cool thing to read
 before replying:
 

http://miller.senate.gov/speeches/09-25-02-Homeland-Floor-speech.html
 
 Why in the name of homeland security do we want to
 take power away from the
 President that he possessed on 9/11? Power that
 Jimmy Carter had. Power that
 Ronald Reagan had. Power that the first President
 Bush had and power that
 Bill Clinton had. Have we lost our minds? 
snip

I finally found time to read these articles. 
Disturbing, on many levels and issues, and I am still
personally offended by those in this administration
who equate 'questioning' with 'un-American' (athough
'stupid or blind' is also offensive).  That both sides
are 'playing politics' should be no surprise to anyone
- manuvering for advantage and making use of whatever
topics/issues are at hand is an 'honored' and
long-standing tradition.

Have we lost our minds?

No. Our trust, however, is another matter.  

The trust of other nations is understandably thin,
when a policy of 'no first strike' is changed to
'strike if we think you might be dangerous.'  When a
wealthy nation pressures a poorer one to pay more than
it can afford for something because it benefits a big
corporation - which coincidentally has made $$
contributions to American politicians:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/special/enron/1218209

The $3 billion power plant, located south of Bombay,
was built as India began to open its heavily state-run
economy and allow foreign firms greater investment
opportunities. The nation's biggest foreign investment
by far, the plant was highly controversial from the
start. It drew opposition from environmentalists,
Indian nationalists and even the World Bank. 

The project is not economically viable, Heinz
Vergin, the World Bank's country director for India,
wrote in April 1993, rejecting a request for a bank
loan. 

(Both the Clinton and Bush administrations were
involved in the India-Enron deal;  possible Taliban
connections are also stated:)
http://www.monitor.net/monitor/0202a/enrontimeline.html

June-Oct 2000: Maharashtra government allies demand
scrapping the project because of the cost of the power
it produces. 

Early 2001: Vice President Cheney held several secret
meetings with top Enron officials, including its
Chairman Kenneth Lay. These meetings were presumably
part of Cheney's non-public Energy Task Force
sessions. A number of Enron stockholders, including
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Trade
Representative Robert Zoellick, became officials in
the Bush administration. In addition, Thomas White, a
former Vice Chairman of Enron and a multimillionaire
in Enron stock, currently serves as the Secretary of
the Army. 

February, 2001: Vice President Cheney's energy task
force changed a draft energy proposal to include a
provision to boost oil and natural gas production in
India. The amendment was so narrow that it apparently
was targeted only to Enron's power plant in India. 

March, 2001: Laila Helms, the part- Afghan niece of
the former CIA director and former U.S. ambassador to
Tehran Richard Helms is described as unofficial
Taliban representative in Washington. Ms Helms brought
Sayed Rahmatullah Hashimi, an adviser to Mullah Omar,
to Washington.after the Taliban had destroyed the
ancient Buddhas of Bamiyan. Hashimi met the
directorate of Central Intelligence at the CIA and the
Bureau of Intelligence and Research at the State
Department. 

April, 2001: An Enron memo, which Lay gave Cheney
during their one-on-one meeting, makes eight
energy-policy recommendations. Seven out of eight
recommendations were adopted in the administration's
final energy plan.


I do not think the above, and the current situation in
Iraq - with its oilfields, are unrelated.


On a more positive note, here are two articles about
the recent elections in Morocco, including how a group
of American women helped coach Moroccan women (King
Mohammed decided more women should hold seats in
Parliament) in running for office:

http://www.komotv.com/stories/20507.htm
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20020929_734.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-2046767,00.html

Debbi
Speak Up Maru



Re: Playing Politics

2002-10-03 Thread Deborah Harrell

--- Deborah Harrell wrote:
 On a more positive note, here are two articles about
 the recent elections in Morocco, including how a
 group
 of American women helped coach Moroccan women (King
 Mohammed decided more women should hold seats in
 Parliament) in running for office:
 
 http://www.komotv.com/stories/20507.htm
 http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20020929_734.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-2046767,00.html

Hmmm...one...two...*three*!  
shakes head
I obviously didn't major in Math...  :o

How Many Fingers Maru

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Re: Playing Politics

2002-09-29 Thread J. van Baardwijk

At 20:08 28-09-2002 -0400, Matthew Bos wrote:

Why did that 2002 US Senate - on the one year anniversary of 9/11 - with
and forethought, deliberately weaken the powers of the president in time
of war?

Maybe because the Senate realises that GWB is such a warmonger that he 
cannot be trusted with a lot of power?

Bush is more than willing to ignore the will of his allies and the will of 
the UN. If the Senate gives him all the power he wants, chances are he will 
then also ignore the will of Congress and Senate, and launch war after war 
to fight terrorism and protect American interests.


Jeroen Bush Administration Delenda Est van Baardwijk

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Re: Playing Politics

2002-09-28 Thread Matthew and Julie Bos

On 9/28/02 3:30 AM, Doug [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This is not how a great nation should debate issues of war and peace.
 To question people's patriotism for simply raising questions about how a
 war is to be fought and won -- to say that anybody who doesn't support
 the president's particular policy on national security is against
 national security -- is not only insulting, it's immoral.
 
 http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/27/opinion/27GEPH.html?tntemail1

To accuse only the Republicans of politicizing the war exposes the polarity
of your views on the matter.  I have a question for you.  Why should the
interests of a labor union dictate matters of national security?  Is it in
the best interests of the US to have a union dictate labor rules in the
Dept. of Homeland Defense?  Cool thing to read before replying:

http://miller.senate.gov/speeches/09-25-02-Homeland-Floor-speech.html

Why in the name of homeland security do we want to take power away from the
President that he possessed on 9/11? Power that Jimmy Carter had. Power that
Ronald Reagan had. Power that the first President Bush had and power that
Bill Clinton had. Have we lost our minds? The U.S. Senate's refusal to grant
this President and future presidents the same power that four previous
presidents have had will haunt the Democratic Party worst than Marley's
ghost haunted Ebenezer Scrooge. Why did they put workers' rights above
American lives? Why did that 2002 US Senate - on the one year anniversary of
9/11 - with malice and forethought, deliberately weaken the powers of the
president in time of war?

Matthew Bos

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Re: Playing Politics

2002-09-28 Thread Doug

Matthew and Julie Bos wrote:


To accuse only the Republicans of politicizing the war exposes the polarity
of your views on the matter.  

They all play politics, but Bush  Co. seem to have taken it to a new 
level, basically  using the fear generated by 911 to obscure the 
important issues of an election. Far more despicable, IMO, than the more 
mundane kind of politics described in the Miller piece you posted.

Doug



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Re: Playing Politics

2002-09-28 Thread Matthew and Julie Bos

On 9/28/02 9:19 PM, Doug [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Matthew and Julie Bos wrote:
 
 
 To accuse only the Republicans of politicizing the war exposes the polarity
 of your views on the matter.
 
 They all play politics, but Bush  Co. seem to have taken it to a new
 level, basically  using the fear generated by 911 to obscure the
 important issues of an election. Far more despicable, IMO, than the more
 mundane kind of politics described in the Miller piece you posted.

But the reason for the flare up this week was because of the issues stated
in my last posting.  It might be mundane, but it is what passes for news.

If the Democrats wanted to shift the emphasis off of national security they
should have done it months before.  Two months before elections is not
enough time to frame any issue before voters.

Then again, neither party is really pushing any new initiatives (Social
Security, Health Care, etc.) this election season.

Let's wait until after the elections!  :(
Matthew Bos

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