[cayugabirds-l] snowy owl
I just had a call from a friend on Indian Field Road. Their snowy owl has been sitting on a pole just south (I believe) of the intersection of Indian Field Road and Poplar Ridge Road (Cayuga County; I'm not sure whether that's in Venice or Genoa; Indian Field is between 34 and 34B). -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [cayugabirds-l] count v hunting: a possible solution
It will come as no surprise that I would be very willing to work with others to enact out existing statutes regarding this. This is great information Dave and thank you. You will be sorely missed tomorrow. Linda Sent from my iPhone On Dec 31, 2013, at 11:46 AM, Dave Nutter nutter.d...@me.com wrote: I support keeping New Year's Day for the Ithaca count, despite the difficulty in explaining to people why our Christmas Bird Count is on the wrong holiday. The reasons have to do with data, birds, and people, and an alternative solution. The Ithaca count has a long tradition of being on this date starting with Doc Allen, so our records are likely more valuable for consistency than most counts, many of which vary by several days between years as they try to use (and conflict with one another) on weekend days. Being late in the 3-week window for counts, our count may also give a better picture of winter bird numbers. As climate change occurs it's even more important to have data which is taken consistently from year to year. Yes, the disruption of waterfowl in the past several years has been significant, and should be noted in the records for those using waterfowl data, but the Christmas Bird Count is not just of water birds and not just on the lake. Sorry, Ken, that your job has been made more difficult as Stewart Park counter. I'd like to try to change the situation in the City (more below). On the human side, I think having the count on this secular holiday is both good for getting a large and consistent turn-out of counters (I think I am an exception in that I work Wednesdays regardless so I won't be counting this year.), it is appropriately celebrated by birders as we start our year lists. Of course always want more counters because we have higher standards for coverage than most counts, and we always miss the great birders who migrate away according to the academic calendar, but I don't think we are likely to get more college folks participating unless we move the date to the very earliest end (with maximum data screw-up), and meanwhile any change from New Year's Day will lose a bunch of regular counters. About gunning season, from what I have just read in the resources which others have supplied to this listserv (thank-you!), I think the feds set the start and end date, as well as the maximum number of days in between which may be open, while the states decide which calendar days will be open. The state is nominally open to input, but (again looking at those resources) clearly is interested mainly (only?) in the views of those wanting maximum shooting opportunities, so the state makes a big effort to include as many weekends and holidays as possible, which of course are also the times when those of us who are not killing things or endangering anyone also have the most free time to be out, so the conflicts are maximized. We could try, but I think it would be difficult to get a holiday from shooting on New Year's Day. It's another question whether it's possible to reason with the particular individuals who are so intent on killing birds at the south end of Cayuga Lake that it appears to me they are willing to break various rules. Regarding the City of Ithaca, in 1994 it rescinded the lake hunting whose start was bemoaned in the historic newspaper column which Jane Graves posted on the club website and which Linda Orkin just sent out. Nowadays, shooting in the City is simply banned except for self defense, police purposes, funeral services, and at supervised indoor ranges, according to the City Code, Chapter 219, section 1. And according to 219-2, No person shall hunt, pursue or kill with a gun or firearm any wild animals, fowl or birds or engage in hunting within the city. What many people don't realize, though, is that the City of Ithaca includes not just the southern shoreline of Cayuga Lake (all of Allen H. Treman State Marine Park west to NYS-89, all of Stewart Park, and both the lighthouses), but the City of Ithaca also includes the lake itself all the way to the western shore as far north as #883 Taughannock Boulevard, and south of an east-west line which extends almost to the shore just north of #940 East Shore Drive, the northernmost of the first group of houses. Only a tiny strip of east shoreline water from the Chamber of Commerce Visitor Center north past those houses is outside the City of Ithaca. Thus a piece of the lake which would serve resting waterfowl very well happens to be within City limits. To see for yourself, zoom in on this map: http://geo.tompkins-co.org/html/?viewer=tcpropmo Furthermore, Stewart Park, which has additional protections, extends north to that limit. According to the City Code 336-10, Stewart Park extends ...down Fall Creek to its mouth; thence north to the north City line; thence east along the north City line to the west
[cayugabirds-l] 67 Wild Turkeys!!
In our yard right now in Brooktondale. I sure hope they show up tomorrow! --Sandy Podulka -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [cayugabirds-l] 67 Wild Turkeys!!
Tomorrow you can fill in: http://www.dec.ny.gov/animals/48756.html The 2014 Wild Turkey Winter Flock Survey (PDF) (31 kB) is available for printing or download. Completed survey forms should be sent to: Winter Turkey Survey NYSDEC 625 Broadway Albany, NY 12233-4754 Nigel On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Sandy Podulka s...@cornell.edu wrote: In our yard right now in Brooktondale. I sure hope they show up tomorrow! --Sandy Podulka .. -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [cayugabirds-l] 67 Wild Turkeys!!
I wish it were possible to 'like' an e-mail! :) What were they eating? On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Sandy Podulka s...@cornell.edu wrote: In our yard right now in Brooktondale. I sure hope they show up tomorrow! --Sandy Podulka -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [cayugabirds-l] count v hunting: a possible solution
As Dave may remember from his days skirmishing with dog walkers at Treman Marina, the City neither owns nor controls what happens offshore in Cayuga Lake. The lake bottom, and what happens above it, is regulated solely by the state of NY. (Unlike most bodies of water in NYS, both Cayuga and Seneca Lakes, including the lake bottoms, are owned by the state.) This which is why if you want to build a dock or boat house over the lake, for example, you have to get permission from the State in addition to regular building permits. So while the City can control who carries guns in Stewart Park, it can't keep someone from having a gun if s/he is standing in the lake itself. The Ithaca City Court recognized the limits of the city's power when it held the city could not ticket off leash dogs swimming in the lake at Treman Marina: while the city has a law against off leash dogs, as does the state park system, the state itself does not and it is NYS that regulates the lake. Similarly, the city can prohibit someone from landing a boat at Stewart Park, but unless there is some state law giving it the power to do so, it cannot prohibit one from approaching, regardless of what the statute says. Finally, FWIW, Treman Marina is located geographically within the city but as state park land, it is not subject to city laws - the state park laws and state laws regulate what is permissible there. Best - Alicia On 12/31/2013 12:32 PM, Linda Orkin wrote: It will come as no surprise that I would be very willing to work with others to enact out existing statutes regarding this. This is great information Dave and thank you. You will be sorely missed tomorrow. Linda Sent from my iPhone On Dec 31, 2013, at 11:46 AM, Dave Nutter nutter.d...@me.com mailto:nutter.d...@me.com wrote: I support keeping New Year's Day for the Ithaca count, despite the difficulty in explaining to people why our Christmas Bird Count is on the wrong holiday. The reasons have to do with data, birds, and people, and an alternative solution. The Ithaca count has a long tradition of being on this date starting with Doc Allen, so our records are likely more valuable for consistency than most counts, many of which vary by several days between years as they try to use (and conflict with one another) on weekend days. Being late in the 3-week window for counts, our count may also give a better picture of winter bird numbers. As climate change occurs it's even more important to have data which is taken consistently from year to year. Yes, the disruption of waterfowl in the past several years has been significant, and should be noted in the records for those using waterfowl data, but the Christmas Bird Count is not just of water birds and not just on the lake. Sorry, Ken, that your job has been made more difficult as Stewart Park counter. I'd like to try to change the situation in the City (more below). On the human side, I think having the count on this secular holiday is both good for getting a large and consistent turn-out of counters (I think I am an exception in that I work Wednesdays regardless so I won't be counting this year.), it is appropriately celebrated by birders as we start our year lists. Of course always want more counters because we have higher standards for coverage than most counts, and we always miss the great birders who migrate away according to the academic calendar, but I don't think we are likely to get more college folks participating unless we move the date to the very earliest end (with maximum data screw-up), and meanwhile any change from New Year's Day will lose a bunch of regular counters. About gunning season, from what I have just read in the resources which others have supplied to this listserv (thank-you!), I think the feds set the start and end date, as well as the maximum number of days in between which may be open, while the states decide which calendar days will be open. The state is nominally open to input, but (again looking at those resources) clearly is interested mainly (only?) in the views of those wanting maximum shooting opportunities, so the state makes a big effort to include as many weekends and holidays as possible, which of course are also the times when those of us who are not killing things or endangering anyone also have the most free time to be out, so the conflicts are maximized. We could try, but I think it would be difficult to get a holiday from shooting on New Year's Day. It's another question whether it's possible to reason with the particular individuals who are so intent on killing birds at the south end of Cayuga Lake that it appears to me they are willing to break various rules. Regarding the City of Ithaca, in 1994 it rescinded the lake hunting whose start was bemoaned in the historic newspaper column which Jane Graves posted on the club
[cayugabirds-l] a passle of snow buntings-Hanshaw Rd
At about 1300 today 31 Dec 13, there was a flighty, flickering flock of 200-250 snow buntings working back and forth on the S side of Hanshaw road, near the closest woods line, a short distance East of the SPCA. Absolutely beautiful--cannot imagine picking out one and keeping my eye on it. They were distant and only sometimes landed where could be scoped, but I looked enough and took sufficient pictures to satisfy myself that there were no larks among them. Anne Clark -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [cayugabirds-l] a passle of snow buntings-Hanshaw Rd
Saw a similar flock on Waterwagon road at 4:00 PM. Bob Horn On Dec 31, 2013, at 4:48 PM, Anne Clark wrote: At about 1300 today 31 Dec 13, there was a flighty, flickering flock of 200-250 snow buntings working back and forth on the S side of Hanshaw road, near the closest woods line, a short distance East of the SPCA. Absolutely beautiful--cannot imagine picking out one and keeping my eye on it. They were distant and only sometimes landed where could be scoped, but I looked enough and took sufficient pictures to satisfy myself that there were no larks among them. Anne Clark -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[cayugabirds-l] More Snowy Owls (Montezuma)
At 4 PM Tuesday, 2 owls were west of the potato barn on the poles along rte 31. One took off just before I left (unobserved) but the remaining one was still on a pole near the tater barn. Sent from Windows Mail -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
RE:[cayugabirds-l] snowy owl
Karel Sedlacek and I made our way up there at 1:45 pm and found a Snowy (same one I suppose) north of that location at the intersection of Indian Field Rd and Townline Rd. It was perched on top of a telephone pole on the east side of the road. Karel streamed it live - http://new.livestream.com/accounts/3414738/events/2657890 It caught a critter and had some lunch (see Video on Snowy -- Clip 2 starting at 00:10:00 on the clip). Some of the best shots are on Video on Snowy -- Clip 2 starting at 1:33 on the clip - on a fence post on Indian Field Rd, 300 yds north of the farm/intersection - at eye level - got scared away by a passing tractor. We believe it to be either an adult female or a first year male. It moved from pole to pole up and down Indian Field Road and eventually settled in a corn stubble field east of our first location. It appeared to center its movement around the farm at that intersection. We met the farm owner and they said that this was the first they had seen it (they were also watching it) this year but had seen one last year. An absolutely magnificent bird, I will never forget those eyes! Happy New Year!!! -Neil Belcher From: bounce-111454939-62211...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-111454939-62211...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Linda Post Van Buskirk Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 9:33 AM To: CAYUGABIRDS-L Cc: judybaile...@yahoo.com Subject: [cayugabirds-l] snowy owl I just had a call from a friend on Indian Field Road. Their snowy owl has been sitting on a pole just south (I believe) of the intersection of Indian Field Road and Poplar Ridge Road (Cayuga County; I'm not sure whether that's in Venice or Genoa; Indian Field is between 34 and 34B). -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basicshttp://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME Rules and Informationhttp://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES Subscribe, Configuration and Leavehttp://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm Archives: The Mail Archivehttp://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html Surfbirdshttp://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds BirdingOnThe.Nethttp://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBirdhttp://ebird.org/content/ebird/! -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: RE:[cayugabirds-l] snowy owl
I was there around 3:45 today, but unfortunately did not find or did not see the Snowy Owl. Lucky Neil and friends! Donna Scott - Original Message - From: Neil F. Belcher To: CAYUGABIRDS-L Cc: Karel V. Sedlacek ; Cynthia L. Sedlacek ; Stephanie P. Herrick Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 8:16 PM Subject: RE:[cayugabirds-l] snowy owl Karel Sedlacek and I made our way up there at 1:45 pm and found a Snowy (same one I suppose) north of that location at the intersection of Indian Field Rd and Townline Rd. It was perched on top of a telephone pole on the east side of the road. Karel streamed it live - http://new.livestream.com/accounts/3414738/events/2657890 It caught a critter and had some lunch (see Video on Snowy -- Clip 2 starting at 00:10:00 on the clip). Some of the best shots are on Video on Snowy -- Clip 2 starting at 1:33 on the clip - on a fence post on Indian Field Rd, 300 yds north of the farm/intersection - at eye level - got scared away by a passing tractor. We believe it to be either an adult female or a first year male. It moved from pole to pole up and down Indian Field Road and eventually settled in a corn stubble field east of our first location. It appeared to center its movement around the farm at that intersection. We met the farm owner and they said that this was the first they had seen it (they were also watching it) this year but had seen one last year. An absolutely magnificent bird, I will never forget those eyes! Happy New Year!!! -Neil Belcher From: bounce-111454939-62211...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-111454939-62211...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Linda Post Van Buskirk Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 9:33 AM To: CAYUGABIRDS-L Cc: judybaile...@yahoo.com Subject: [cayugabirds-l] snowy owl I just had a call from a friend on Indian Field Road. Their snowy owl has been sitting on a pole just south (I believe) of the intersection of Indian Field Road and Poplar Ridge Road (Cayuga County; I'm not sure whether that's in Venice or Genoa; Indian Field is between 34 and 34B). -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds BirdingOnThe.Net Please submit your observations to eBird! -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds BirdingOnThe.Net Please submit your observations to eBird! -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
