Re: [cayugabirds-l] Carolina wren

2020-02-27 Thread Bard Prentiss 
Hi Alicia,  

After I posted i continued to search and found this JOURNAL ARTICLE
Sexual Size Dimorphism and Assortative Mating in Carolina Wrens

Thomas M. Haggerty
Journal of Field Ornithology
Vol. 77, No. 3 (Summer, 2006), pp. 259-265 
It states clearly that: "Analysis revealed that males were significantly larger 
than females in all body measurements."
I had read that only males sing but it was  not clear till I found this that 
males were larger. you suggest that females sing too.
> On Feb 27, 2020, at 3:56 PM, Alicia  wrote:
> 
> Hi Bard,
> 
> We have had C. Wrens in our yard since 1995, when we moved in, except for 15 
> mos following the cruel February of 2015 which wiped out the majority of the 
> C. Wrens in this area.  Have never noticed any size differential in any of 
> the pairs & have only been able to tell them apt by song: the male sings a 
> two or three part song and the female has a buzzier, irritated sounding 
> response - they duet.  The young birds do take a month or so to get up to 
> size after they fledge, but that wouldn't explain a small one at your feeder 
> all winter. 
> 
> That great resource Wikipedia, however, says there is a size difference on 
> average & gives citations for that proposition:
>> At 12.5 to 14 cm (4.9 to 5.5 in) long, with a 29 cm (11 in) wingspan and a 
>> weight of about 18 to 23 g (0.63 to 0.81 oz), the Carolina wren is a fairly 
>> large wren; the second largest in the United States species after the cactus 
>> wren. Among standard measurements, the wing chord is 5.4 to 6.4 cm (2.1 to 
>> 2.5 in), the tail is 4.5 to 5.6 cm (1.8 to 2.2 in), the culmen is 1.4 to 1.8 
>> cm (0.55 to 0.71 in) and the tarsus is 2 to 2.3 cm (0.79 to 0.91 in).3 
>>   Sexual 
>> dimorphisma is slight with males being larger than their mates. A study 
>> indicated that out of 42 mated pairs, all but one of male was larger than 
>> the female of the pair. The males were on average 11 percent heavier along 
>> with having longer wing chords.13 
>> C.
>>  Wrens sing all year round, although I am not sure if females do except in 
>> response to male song. Did your small bird sing?  The males also have a call 
>> that is somewhat similar to the female's buzzy song but I don't think the 
>> females ever sing anything melodic so if your small bird did sing 
>> melodically, I think that means it's a male.
> 
> The idea of a small C. Wren seems so odd - for a wren, they seem massive to 
> me!  Will be interested in hearing about whether they interbreed.
> 
> Alicia
> 
> P.S. This photo 
>  (which 
> comes from a webpage Kevin McGowan posted to show much white can be in C. 
> Wren tail feathers) also shows a much greater size differential than I at 
> least would have expected!
> 
> 
> On 2/27/2020 3:00 PM, Bard Prentiss wrote:
>> Throughout the winter our feeders have been visited by a small c. Wren. 
>> Today it was joined by a notably larger one. Probably the other half of the 
>> pair that has nested here for several years.  There is a clear size 
>> difference in that pair. If sex doesn’t account for size differentiation  
>>  in this species what might explain it?
>> Do sub species interbreed?
>> Best,
>> Bard 
>> 
>>  Bard Prentiss 
>> 
>> (607)882-0504
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>> Best,
>> Bard 
>> 
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RE: [cayugabirds-l] Carolina Wren, Aythyas

2015-02-14 Thread Donna Lee Scott 
I have seen at least one of my usual two CAROLINA WRENS here by Cayuga Lake 
today, while counting for the GBBC. Also, lots of other usual feeder birds, 
including 5 PINE SISKINS, as well as a small raft of Aythyas - REDHEADS, 
CANVASBACK, SCAUP SP, RINGNECKED DUCKS, plus COMMON MERGS., HERRING GULL, G. 
BLACKBACKED GULL, CANADA GOOSE (1 !)

Donna L. Scott
Lansing Station Road
Lansing

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Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Carolina Wren

There was a surprise visitor at our feeder this morning during the snowstorm: a 
rather plump-looking Carolina Wren. It was clinging to the suet feeder 
diligently picking at the suet while around it a mix of Sparrows and Juncos 
worked the seed fallen from our other feeder.

I don't recall seeing it at our feeder before - perhaps the cold has forced it 
in.

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Re:[cayugabirds-l] Carolina wren 2.17.2014

2014-02-18 Thread Nari Mistry 
A year or two ago, I put chicken wire around our double-caged 
suet-feeder (suet cage inside a bigger feeder cage) to stop the 
red-squirrel from sitting inside all day and excluding birds from the 
suet. This frustrated the squirrel all right, and small birds could get 
in and out. But I noticed that sometimes when trying to get out fast, 
they could scrape  perhaps damage their flight feathers. So I took the 
chicken wire off. Especially since a Carolina Wren pair  loves to come 
to the suet. (This Feb we have had only one of the pair coming.) 
Two-inch mesh chicken wire is too large to keep the squirrel out.

An interesting observation: the Red-br Nuthatch pair were the first to 
figure out how to get in through  the ch-wire, then chickadees and 
carolina wrens. But the goldfinches just could never figure out that 
they had to perch and get in before they could get to the suet. They 
kept going round and round, never got in.

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Carolina wren 2.17.2014

2014-02-18 Thread Linda Orkin 
Hello Nari,

Nice post.  And here's perhaps an explanation for your Goldfinches, maybe
they were just wondering what all the excitement was about. : )

From All About Birds

Goldfinches are among the strictest vegetarians in the bird world,
selecting an entirely vegetable diet and only inadvertently swallowing an
occasional insect.

Linda Orkin
Muriel Street
Ithaca


On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Nari Mistry n...@cornell.edu wrote:

  A year or two ago, I put chicken wire around our double-caged suet-feeder
 (suet cage inside a bigger feeder cage) to stop the red-squirrel from
 sitting inside all day and excluding birds from the suet. This frustrated
 the squirrel all right, and small birds could get in and out. But I noticed
 that sometimes when trying to get out fast, they could scrape  perhaps
 damage their flight feathers. So I took the chicken wire off. Especially
 since a Carolina Wren pair  loves to come to the suet. (This Feb we have
 had only one of the pair coming.) Two-inch mesh chicken wire is too large
 to keep the squirrel out.

 An interesting observation: the Red-br Nuthatch pair were the first to
 figure out how to get in through  the ch-wire, then chickadees and carolina
 wrens. But the goldfinches just could never figure out that they had to
 perch and get in before they could get to the suet. They kept going round
 and round, never got in.

 Nari Mistry, Ellis Hollow Rd.
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Carolina Wren

2011-12-02 Thread Jesse Ross 
I can't resist sending along this short video of a Carolina Wren, who
taught me a valuable lesson this summer about earbirding with caution!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clzEw92JjsE

Best,
Jesse Ross


On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Mark Miller mmiller...@rochester.rr.comwrote:

 **
 Talking about strange vocalizations, a few times in the last week or two
 I've found a Carolina Wren (got a visual ID at about 5' away) making a
 croaking sound. It was definitely not it's typical song, but each time
 was at 7 AM and it flies off before it gets light enough to photograph.
 This was along Seneca Lake, southeast of Geneva, off East Lake Rd.
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Carolina Wren serenade

2011-07-22 Thread Geo Kloppel 
He may very well be at your window. Around my house the window trim,  
eaves and rafter tails are good places to find spiders, flies, and  
other tasty items, and the Carolina Wrens are not shy about  
investigating them.


-Geo

On Jul 22, 2011, at 8:50 AM, Nari Mistry wrote:

A Carolina Wren is singing loudly just outside my window right  now  
as I sit at my desk. I can see his throat action as he sings. He  
has been flitting up  down the spruce branches within 15 ft. of my  
window. Now he is trying out a whole variety of songs in his  
repertoire! Possibly he is a young bird trying all his songs and  
trills.
Some mornings his song seems loud enough as if he sitting at our  
bedroom window.

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RE: [cayugabirds-l] Carolina Wren pair come to be counted today.

2011-02-21 Thread Naomi Brewer 
Nari -
Your story of your squirrel made me want to share my story -
Saturday(2nd day of bird count) morning I noticed the cardinals flying to my
big green metal feeder, then flying away without stopping for food. I
thought it must be empty, my son thought not. He went out with a bucket of
food anyway and as he got to the feeder he could see gray fur where the
birds would eat so he carefully raised the metal cover and out flew a gray
squirrel. It had to have spent the night in there at least. And he had eaten
all the food.!!  I don't see how he got the metal cover up enough to get in.
My 4 pair of Cardinals and all the other birds are happy again. 
Naomi Brewer
7214 Wyers Pt. Rd.
Ovid, N.Y. 14521

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Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Carolina Wren pair come to be counted today.

Both of the Carolina Wren pair appeared together today at our suet, just so
they could be counted for the GBBC. They were missing since last Thursday
and only one at a time has appeared sporadically last week. A red squirrel
happily sits all day inside the outer suet cage, discouraging small birds --
in spite of my efforts to persuade him away to seed elsewhere, cajole him,
threaten him.

In  past years a CAWren pair has stayed around all year and even once nested
in a brush pile. Hope they do again.
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Carolina Wren!

2010-01-09 Thread Gary Kohlenberg 
I was surprised this week to see a Carolina Wren had taken up residence 
in my garage. It has the advantage of no door and only a few feet from 
the feeders, good living.


Gary


bilba...@pop.lightlink.com wrote:

I have had at least one and perhaps 2 Carolina Wrens (I have heard two
singing back and forth once, a few weeks ago) at my feeders since before
Thanksgiving. They like the sunflower seeds,  but especially take advantage
of the suet I have out. I'm in Caroline Center at about 1640 Ft.

Bill
Baker

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