[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Short contact between symmetry equivalents

2013-05-28 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Deav Kavya,

The acetate is probably conformationally disordered. I would examine the 
electron density maps to see if there might be an alternative orientation. If 
so, you could model this and with occupancies around 0.5 your validation 
problem would be solved and your model would probably be closer to the true 
situation in the crystal.

My 2 cts,
Herman
 

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Sir,

Ok yes. I tried with 0.5 occupancy, ended up getting positive density around 
acetate on both sides equally.
Later I tried with 0.8, 0.99 for which the map was normal and also validation 
did not report it as short contact.
Is it ok if I give 0.99 occupancy?

Thank you
Regards
Kavya


 It does not interact - you cannot have 1.8A distance between atoms.
 Assuming that it is indeed acetate it must be partially occupied, 0.5 
 or less.  Keep in mind that when you lower occupancy you may see 
 additional density for whatever occupies the space on the other side 
 of the symmetry element (e.g. water) which you may need to model.



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Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Short contact between symmetry equivalents

2013-05-28 Thread Kavyashree Manjunath
Dear Sir,

Ok Sir. I will check for other possible orientations.
Thank you all for the Help..

Regards
Kavya


 Deav Kavya,

 The acetate is probably conformationally disordered. I would examine the
 electron density maps to see if there might be an alternative orientation.
 If so, you could model this and with occupancies around 0.5 your
 validation problem would be solved and your model would probably be closer
 to the true situation in the crystal.

 My 2 cts,
 Herman


 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
 Von: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] Im Auftrag von
 Kavyashree Manjunath
 Gesendet: Montag, 27. Mai 2013 18:15
 An: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
 Betreff: Re: [ccp4bb] Short contact between symmetry equivalents

 Sir,

 Ok yes. I tried with 0.5 occupancy, ended up getting positive density
 around acetate on both sides equally.
 Later I tried with 0.8, 0.99 for which the map was normal and also
 validation did not report it as short contact.
 Is it ok if I give 0.99 occupancy?

 Thank you
 Regards
 Kavya


 It does not interact - you cannot have 1.8A distance between atoms.
 Assuming that it is indeed acetate it must be partially occupied, 0.5
 or less.  Keep in mind that when you lower occupancy you may see
 additional density for whatever occupies the space on the other side
 of the symmetry element (e.g. water) which you may need to model.



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