[CentOS-es] nagios en centos
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[CentOS-es] Invitación a conectarnos en LinkedIn
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Re: [CentOS] backup script
Hi, Try the ff: On 1/25/11 4:31 PM, madu...@gmail.com wrote: I want to create bash script to have a zip copy from a website running on linux /var/www/htdocs/* local on the same box on different directory I am thinking to do a local backup using crontab (snapshot my web) tar -cvzf /tmp/website-$(date +%Y%m%d-%H%M).tgz /var/www/htdocs/* This command will create a file /tmp/website-20110101-1459.tgz I want it run on daily basis Yes, just use crontab for that. Something like, 30 6 * * * command-or-path-to-script-here to run the command or script everyday 6:30 a.m. and to keep the last 5days backup on the box and remove older version than 5days. Can you point me out. I think the easiest way is to use logrotate. man logrotate for details. HTH, -- - Edwin - mailto:ml2ed...@gmail.com “Pleasant sayings are a honeycomb, sweet to the soul and a healing to the bones.”—Proverbs 16:24 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] backup script
You could create a script and have a variable date --date=5 days ago append to your tar file and after that, combine it with if syntax. If match, then rm. HTH On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:31 PM, madu...@gmail.com madu...@gmail.comwrote: I want to create bash script to have a zip copy from a website running on linux /var/www/htdocs/* local on the same box on different directory I am thinking to do a local backup using crontab (snapshot my web) tar -cvzf /tmp/website-$(date +%Y%m%d-%H%M).tgz /var/www/htdocs/* This command will create a file /tmp/website-20110101-1459.tgz I want it run on daily basis and to keep the last 5days backup on the box and remove older version than 5days. Can you point me out. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] backup script
Am thinking to have this in my script
#!/bin/bash
tar -cvzf /tmp/website-$(date +%Y%m%d-%H%M).tgz /var/www/htdocs/*
find /tmp/website/website*.tgz -ctime +5 -exec rm {} \; # removes
older then 5 days
crontab it
30 6 * * * /mypath/myscript
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Nelson ntseraf...@gmail.com wrote:
You could create a script and have a variable date --date=5 days ago
append to your tar file and after that, combine it with if syntax. If match,
then rm.
HTH
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:31 PM, madu...@gmail.com madu...@gmail.com
wrote:
I want to create bash script to have a zip copy from a website running
on linux /var/www/htdocs/* local on the same box on different
directory
I am thinking to do a local backup using crontab (snapshot my web)
tar -cvzf /tmp/website-$(date +%Y%m%d-%H%M).tgz /var/www/htdocs/*
This command will create a file /tmp/website-20110101-1459.tgz
I want it run on daily basis and to keep the last 5days backup on the
box and remove older version than 5days.
Can you point me out.
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Re: [CentOS] kernel update
mahmoud mansy wrote: and the main problem is that i wanna take the RHCE and the best suggested OS is centos not fedora and i wanna run it on my laptop which i tried to do so with the centos 5.5 but there was so many miisings like the wireless card driverr and the display card drivers as mentioned by others, you can get a recent mainline kernel from elrepo.org. you might also get your hardware to work by installing stuff from elrepo, they offer kmods with recent hardware drivers compiled for the regular centos 5 kernel. Including nvidia and ATI drivers (GPU) and many wireless drivers. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] kernel security issues+
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[CentOS] kernel security issues
Hi, after watching the security alerts for the centos kernel I've the impression that altought they are fixed fastly there are more alerts than for the vanilla one of the same version. Question: Are those alerts mostly specifically centos related or do they also affect the vanilla sources? -- mailint...@123mail.org -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access your email from home and the web ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] kernel security issues
On Tue, 2011-01-25 at 02:24 -0800, Dave wrote: Question: Are those alerts mostly specifically centos related or do they also affect the vanilla sources? Yes and No. It is dependent on where you are getting the source security updates from. Some times it can come down all the way from kernel.org rh CentOS. Then at times the security problem never effects kernel.org kernel. There can be issues into play that upstream introduced into the kernel itself from patchwork that will never get into or see light of day to the kernel.org kernel. John ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] kernel security issues
Yes and No. It is dependent on where you are getting the source security updates from. Some times it can come down all the way from kernel.org rh CentOS. Then at times the security problem never effects kernel.org kernel. There can be issues into play that upstream introduced into the kernel itself from patchwork that will never get into or see light of day to the kernel.org kernel. Thanks. I do see more clearly now. -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Same, same, but different... ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] kernel security issues
On 01/25/2011 10:24 AM, Dave wrote: after watching the security alerts for the centos kernel I've the impression that altought they are fixed fastly there are more alerts than for the vanilla one of the same version. vanilla one for the same version isnt really that actively maintained is it ? Also, the EL kernels contain a fair bit of backports which makes things a bit more interesting. - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] kernel security issues
On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 11:34 +, Karanbir Singh mail-li...@karan.org wrote: On 01/25/2011 10:24 AM, Dave wrote: after watching the security alerts for the centos kernel I've the impression that altought they are fixed fastly there are more alerts than for the vanilla one of the same version. vanilla one for the same version isnt really that actively maintained is it ? Also, the EL kernels contain a fair bit of backports which makes things a bit more interesting. Not sure. That's why I'm asking for. eg 2.6.32 2.6.32.28 (longterm) are there only improvements but no fixes? On the other hand EL kernels are as far as I got information from here more adapted to Industry needs. So they have special code added vanilla kernels don't have. Right? -- http://www.fastmail.fm - A no graphics, no pop-ups email service ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] tar-ing subdirectories separately
Hello Nico,
On Mon, 2011-01-24 at 19:21 -0500, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 8:00 AM, Leonard den Ottolander
$ find dir -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -type d -exec tar cz {} -f {}.tgz \;
Ahh-ahh-ahh! You forgot some subdirectories, especially generated from
projects served to Windows systems, may have spaces in their names,
and you'll want parentheses around those {} bits. Without those,
chaos can ensue.
And don't get me *started* on what happens if some smart aleck starts
slipping $ into directory names.
I don't know what implementation of find you use, but the stock find on
CentOS 4 and 5 does not do any shell expansions, despite what the man
page might suggest. And why should it, find should be perfectly capable
to quote its results before injecting them back into a shell.
See for yourself:
$ mkdir testdir; cd testdir
$ mkdir foo; touch foo/bar; mkdir foo\ bar; mkdir \$PATH; mkdir \ \.\;rm\ \-rf\
foo\;; ls -1
$ find . -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -type d -exec tar cz {} -f {}.tgz \;
$ ls foo
This is not a perl or shell script, it's a command that substitutes its
own results back into a shell. Afacit it does this safely (compare
printquoted.c). No user interaction in the form of the quoting of {}
required. If your version of find does I would consider that a bug ;) .
Regards,
Leonard.
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Re: [CentOS] kernel security issues
On 01/25/2011 02:24 AM, Dave wrote: Question: Are those alerts mostly specifically centos related or do they also affect the vanilla sources? I don't recall having ever seen a security problem in the RHEL/CentOS kernel that didn't affect the upstream sources. There's no need to rely on impressions, though. Go to: http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/rhel-server-errata-security.html Select security to trim down the number of entries listed. Search for kernel and open each one. The errata notice will state This update fixes the following security issue: and include a CVE ID. You can look that up to see if the upstream kernel is affected. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] backup script
On 25/01/11 21:56, madu...@gmail.com wrote:
Am thinking to have this in my script
#!/bin/bash
tar -cvzf /tmp/website-$(date +%Y%m%d-%H%M).tgz /var/www/htdocs/*
find /tmp/website/website*.tgz -ctime +5 -exec rm {} \; # removes
older then 5 days
That should do in your case. Though, in general, you would prefer the
following (because, in the general case, that glob could match a _lot_
of things, though in _your_ case, it should be fine).
find /tmp/website/ -name website\*.tgz -ctime +5 -exec rm {} \;
Also, from a security standpoint (especially if your website contains
things private materials the webserver would not serve), you should use
umask to change the default permissions the archive is assigned. You can
set this temporarily as follows:
(umask 077; tar )
The (...) construct defines a _subshell_. A umask specifies the mode
bits to clear on a new file, so 077 causes new files to be created as
rw---. Umask is a property inherited from parent process to child
processes, and is in effect until either changed or the parent proces
(the shell, typically) ends.
The umask _command_ (actually, _shell-internal_ command) affects the
umask of the shell process, which causes the tar child process to see
the change). To prevent subsequent processes also getting that same,
restrictive, umask, I've used a sub-shell (the round-brackets), to limit
the scope of the umask effect to just the tar command.
PS. You're not really keeping your website backups in /tmp, are you?
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Re: [CentOS] backup script
From: madu...@gmail.com madu...@gmail.com I want to create bash script to have a zip copy from a website running on linux /var/www/htdocs/* local on the same box on different directory I am thinking to do a local backup using crontab (snapshot my web) tar -cvzf /tmp/website-$(date +%Y%m%d-%H%M).tgz /var/www/htdocs/* This command will create a file /tmp/website-20110101-1459.tgz I want it run on daily basis and to keep the last 5days backup on the box and remove older version than 5days. A quick way to do it is to use the day of the week: website-$(date +%u).tgz It will automaticaly keep the last 7 days... Otherwise, you will have to use date calculations... JD ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] kernel security issues
On 01/25/2011 12:59 PM, Dave wrote: vanilla one for the same version isnt really that actively maintained is it ? Also, the EL kernels contain a fair bit of backports which makes things a bit more interesting. Not sure. That's why I'm asking for. eg 2.6.32 2.6.32.28 (longterm) are there only improvements but no fixes? the CentOS-5 kernel is at 2.6.18 ( as based ) with a 2xx TAG for release. It contains backports from newer kernels, added hardware support from upstream and fix's + enhancements from the 2.6.18 base. On the other hand EL kernels are as far as I got information from here more adapted to Industry needs. So they have special code added vanilla kernels don't have. Right? That is perhaps one ( a marketing person spun ? ) way of looking at things. - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] mysqld status discrepancy
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Re: [CentOS] mysqld status discrepancy
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[CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
I persuaded a reluctant friend to buy a new computer. I enthusiastically extolled the joys and benefits of Centos and promised to install it on his new machine - dual booting with Micro$oft Windoze 7. His super-duper new laptop arrived. Acer, AMD 4 core, fast etc. but not as nice looking as my impressive HP DV5. The wireless refused to connect. After 8 hours on Saturday I could sometimes see hubs in the neighbourhood but could not connect to my own hub using WPA2. iwlist wlan0 scan produced technical details of local hubs - but still could not connect. NetworkManager sometimes froze. Spent many hours Googling for his wifi adaptor Altheros AR928K which uses a driver known as ATH9K. Many others have had a similar problem. Kernel 2.6.27 apparently includes this driver but Centos 5.5 is 2.6.18. On my Sony Vaio netbook I abandoned XP and installed Centos 5.5. No wifi (yet XP had) but luckily for me I eventually discovered the Altheros AR8132 needed ATL1E which, for Centos 5.5, means a kernel modification. Luckily it is on Elrepo as kmod-atl1e. A quick Yum and I was connected. Many thanks to Elrepo. The netbook comes to life with Centos. Its now a really usable machine. XP on a netbook was pure crap. However ATH9K for Centos 5.5 does not exist. This afternoon I had to tell my friend his brand new computer is incompatible with Centos and wifi. Please can anyone recommend a suitable Linux variant with a kernel = 2.6.27 that is a bit like Centos ? Does anyone know if Centos 5.6 will be on 2.6.18 and whether it will have drivers like ATH9K ? Anyone any idea what kernel version Centos 6 will have ? Thank you. Best regards, Paul GB Centos on 2 VPS, 2 desktops, 1 laptop and 1 netbook. Going cheap : genuine Windoze 95 and 98 installation disks :-) ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
On 01/25/2011 09:49 AM, Always Learning wrote: I persuaded a reluctant friend to buy a new computer. I enthusiastically extolled the joys and benefits of Centos and promised to install it on his new machine - dual booting with Micro$oft Windoze 7. [...] For a new laptop your best hope for a successful native install is probably Ubuntu 10.10. Laptops in particular are difficult platforms for hardware support and CentOS5 is not 'cutting edge'. If you want CentOS on it to work well, you will probably need to wait for CentOS6 - which could be a month or two. An alternative I've used is to install VMware Workstation on top of Windows and install Linux into a VM. Running fullscreen the practical difference is nil. Then you by and large get the laptop hardware support gratis from the windows layer including things like wireless and video drivers drivers. -- Benjamin Franz ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
Always Learning wrote: snip After 8 hours on Saturday I could sometimes see hubs in the neighbourhood but could not connect to my own hub using WPA2. iwlist wlan0 scan produced technical details of local hubs - but still could not connect. NetworkManager sometimes froze. Spent many hours Googling for his wifi adaptor Altheros AR928K which uses a driver known as ATH9K. Many others have had a similar problem. Kernel 2.6.27 apparently includes this driver but Centos 5.5 is 2.6.18. About 5 years ago, I had to install a wireless card in my tower, and it's an ATH9xx, I *think* - I can check this evening, if that's relevant. I was running SuSE, and had to find drivers from madwifi. A few minutes of googling found... http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ath9k/RHEL5, where the module's been backported to RHEL5. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Always Learning cen...@g7.u22.net wrote: I persuaded a reluctant friend to buy a new computer. I enthusiastically extolled the joys and benefits of Centos and promised to install it on his new machine - dual booting with Micro$oft Windoze 7. His super-duper new laptop arrived. Acer, AMD 4 core, fast etc. but not as nice looking as my impressive HP DV5. The wireless refused to connect. After 8 hours on Saturday I could sometimes see hubs in the neighbourhood but could not connect to my own hub using WPA2. iwlist wlan0 scan produced technical details of local hubs - but still could not connect. NetworkManager sometimes froze. Spent many hours Googling for his wifi adaptor Altheros AR928K which uses a driver known as ATH9K. Many others have had a similar problem. Kernel 2.6.27 apparently includes this driver but Centos 5.5 is 2.6.18. On my Sony Vaio netbook I abandoned XP and installed Centos 5.5. No wifi (yet XP had) but luckily for me I eventually discovered the Altheros AR8132 needed ATL1E which, for Centos 5.5, means a kernel modification. Luckily it is on Elrepo as kmod-atl1e. A quick Yum and I was connected. Many thanks to Elrepo. The netbook comes to life with Centos. Its now a really usable machine. XP on a netbook was pure crap. However ATH9K for Centos 5.5 does not exist. This afternoon I had to tell my friend his brand new computer is incompatible with Centos and wifi. Please can anyone recommend a suitable Linux variant with a kernel = 2.6.27 that is a bit like Centos ? Does anyone know if Centos 5.6 will be on 2.6.18 and whether it will have drivers like ATH9K ? Anyone any idea what kernel version Centos 6 will have ? Thank you. Best regards, Paul GB CentOS is great for servers, but absolutely not for a new person you're trying to get to try Linux. This approach actually hurts Linux since people think oh I tried Linux and it sucked. Ubuntu is the way to go for this, and I would at least start from a LiveCD (though it is slow) and work from there. VirtualBox is a good next step from the LiveCD, as almost no one wants to be dual-booting. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
Mark wrote:- About 5 years ago, I had to install a wireless card in my tower, and it's an ATH9xx, I *think* - I can check this evening, if that's relevant. I was running SuSE, and had to find drivers from madwifi. A few minutes of googling found... http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ath9k/RHEL5, where the module's been backported to RHEL5. Golly ! I'm a Linux novice (started last June). Can I literally install one of those rpm on the laptop and that should, hopefully, cure everything ? Thank you very much. I would prefer a Centos solution and then everything is the same O/S and simpler to maintain. Thank you. Best regards, Paul GB. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
At Tue, 25 Jan 2011 17:49:39 + CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote: I persuaded a reluctant friend to buy a new computer. I enthusiastically extolled the joys and benefits of Centos and promised to install it on his new machine - dual booting with Micro$oft Windoze 7. His super-duper new laptop arrived. Acer, AMD 4 core, fast etc. but not as nice looking as my impressive HP DV5. The wireless refused to connect. After 8 hours on Saturday I could sometimes see hubs in the neighbourhood but could not connect to my own hub using WPA2. iwlist wlan0 scan produced technical details of local hubs - but still could not connect. NetworkManager sometimes froze. Spent many hours Googling for his wifi adaptor Altheros AR928K which uses a driver known as ATH9K. Many others have had a similar problem. Kernel 2.6.27 apparently includes this driver but Centos 5.5 is 2.6.18. On my Sony Vaio netbook I abandoned XP and installed Centos 5.5. No wifi (yet XP had) but luckily for me I eventually discovered the Altheros AR8132 needed ATL1E which, for Centos 5.5, means a kernel modification. Luckily it is on Elrepo as kmod-atl1e. A quick Yum and I was connected. Many thanks to Elrepo. The netbook comes to life with Centos. Its now a really usable machine. XP on a netbook was pure crap. However ATH9K for Centos 5.5 does not exist. This afternoon I had to tell my friend his brand new computer is incompatible with Centos and wifi. Please can anyone recommend a suitable Linux variant with a kernel = 2.6.27 that is a bit like Centos ? Hmm... For a hot new laptop, you are pretty much out-of-luck for something like CentOS. FC14 *might* work, but I don't know how stable or end-user friendly FC14 is. A current release of Ubuntu will likely work, but Ubuntu is not like CentOS -- its admin 'style' is a bit different -- things are in different places and the admin tools are different -- as a CentOS user / admin, you'll find them 'strange. OTOH, it is likely to be more newbie / end-user friendly and likely will work better with hot new hardware. Does anyone know if Centos 5.6 will be on 2.6.18 and whether it will have drivers like ATH9K ? CentOS 5.x will always have a 2.6.18 base kernel, but will have backported drivers and security fixes, etc. But probably not drivers for bleeding edge WiFi. Anyone any idea what kernel version Centos 6 will have ? Probably whatever Fedora Core 12 (?) has. Whether this will work on your friend's laptop is uncertain. Thank you. Best regards, Paul GB Centos on 2 VPS, 2 desktops, 1 laptop and 1 netbook. Going cheap : genuine Windoze 95 and 98 installation disks :-) ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933 / hel...@deepsoft.com Deepwoods Software-- http://www.deepsoft.com/ () ascii ribbon campaign -- against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org -- against proprietary attachments ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
Jerry Franz wrote: For a new laptop your best hope for a successful native install is probably Ubuntu 10.10. Laptops in particular are difficult platforms for hardware support and CentOS5 is not 'cutting edge'. If you want CentOS on it to work well, you will probably need to wait for CentOS6 - which could be a month or two. I'm eagerly waiting for Centos 6. Is so refreshingly nice to use a real computer operating system. It reminds me of the good old mainframe days long before MS-DOS 1. Thank you for the recommendation. I'll have a look at Ubuntu. Mark suggested http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ath9k/RHEL5 which might solve the problem and produce a working Centos wifi. Centos is not 'cutting-edge'. It's just solid, reliable, plain boring and just works. Everything a good computer system should be. An alternative I've used is to install VMware Workstation on top of Windows and install Linux into a VM. Running fullscreen the practical difference is nil. Then you by and large get the laptop hardware support gratis from the windows layer including things like wireless and video drivers drivers. I'll keep that as a back-up option. Thank you very much. Best regards, Paul. GB. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
Always Learning wrote: Mark wrote:- About 5 years ago, I had to install a wireless card in my tower, and it's an ATH9xx, I *think* - I can check this evening, if that's relevant. I was running SuSE, and had to find drivers from madwifi. A few minutes of googling found... http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ath9k/RHEL5, where the module's been backported to RHEL5. Golly ! I'm a Linux novice (started last June). Can I literally install one of those rpm on the laptop and that should, hopefully, cure everything ? One should hope. An rpm - R(edhat)P(ackage)M(anager) are packages of files, with configuration, etc, run during the install, meaning you should only need minor tweaks, if at all, to the configuration files to have them go. Kernel modules, AFAIK, during the install, are usually autoconfigured to load. Thank you very much. I would prefer a Centos solution and then everything is the same O/S and simpler to maintain. You do understand the relationship of CentOS to RHEL, right? mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
Brian Mathis wrote: CentOS is great for servers, I agree. I have 2 VPS and two desktop servers on it. but absolutely not for a new person you're trying to get to try Linux. This approach actually hurts Linux since people think oh I tried Linux and it sucked. The only thing that 'sucks' is M$ Windoze. M$ is declining. It is time the European Commission breaks the Windoze on every new computer cartel. With 43 years computer experience I loath Windoze and the horrible experience of trying to make what should be a very simple configuration change. Most of the world uses Linux. I started as a new Linux user with Centos and it was a very step learning curve but I persevered and benefited from the experience. Ubuntu is the way to go for this, and I would at least start from a LiveCD (though it is slow) and work from there. VirtualBox is a good next step from the LiveCD, as almost no one wants to be dual-booting. Thanks for the Ubuntu recommendation. I tend to buy the DVD's and install from them. I have VBox running Win98SE on a Centos desktop because I want to run software and applications from 1992 (my own DOS Cobol database) which also runs in DosBox, 1993 (my customised Ami Pro 3) and 1999 (Acrobat Exchange 4) easier than PDFedit. With best regards, Paul. GB. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
On 1/25/2011 12:18 PM, Always Learning wrote: An alternative I've used is to install VMware Workstation on top of Windows and install Linux into a VM. Running fullscreen the practical difference is nil. Then you by and large get the laptop hardware support gratis from the windows layer including things like wireless and video drivers drivers. I'll keep that as a back-up option. I've forgotten how I did it now (and searching for a current reference would be better anyway) but my laptop has a bootable ubuntu partition (because Centos didn't see the wireless card) that I can also run under vmware player without rebooting. And I also have a Centos VM in an image file. The VMs use NAT networking and piggyback on whatever connect the host has. I think I installed vmware server to configure things, then removed it and installed player, but that might not be necessary with the current version of player. I don't think you can match windows sleep mode on Centos - not sure about current Ubuntu. I normally just close the lid with applications open, and when I open it again it wakes up in seconds and adapts to the current network connection. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
Always Learning wrote: snip Thanks for the Ubuntu recommendation. I tend to buy the DVD's and install from them. I have VBox running Win98SE on a Centos desktop because I want to run software and applications from 1992 (my own DOS Cobol database) which also runs in DosBox, 1993 (my customised Ami Pro Why not install gcc, and recompile your COBOL for Linux? g snip mark, pulling a brown paper bag over his head before admitting to having written a *lot* of COBOL back before I got to Unix ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
Mark Roth wrote: You do understand the relationship of CentOS to RHEL, right? Right :-) Once upon a time Red Hat was free. Then they decided to exist purely on support fees. Meanwhile a bunch of supporters invented a downstream variant called Centos. They worked very hard to remove all the Red Hat branding and recompile (is that the correct Linux term?) the software. There was so ugly goings on which were publicised but eventually resolved. The other downstream variant is called Scientific Linux and that is a joint collaboration between Europe's CERN and it's USA equivalent Fermilab. Then one day a big bad wolf called Oracle of very expensive Oracle SQL fame swallowed Red Hat, like they swallowed MySQL, Solaris, Open Office and Visual Box. The long term future for these is uncertain. Pure Centos is identical to Red Hat. However various repositories offer extras and variants which make the installed Centos slightly different from Red Hat. One can sometimes install some Fedora items into Centos. Centos is great. Will that do ? -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
Chiming in I find CentOs VERY stable. I need this for my User community (Wife and Daughter) It has to look and work the same always. For the new people to Linux I've noted that NT admins can very easily install ubuntu and get it running (for awhile). From what I remember it had a Windozie feel. Coming from the Solaris, AIX, and HP world I prefer stability. -- Thanks, Gene Brandt SCSA 8625 Carriage Road River Ridge, LA 70123 home 504-737-4295 cell 504-452-3250 Family Web Page | My Web Page | LinkedIn | Facebook | Resumebucket On Tue, 2011-01-25 at 19:20 +, Always Learning wrote: Mark Roth wrote: You do understand the relationship of CentOS to RHEL, right? Right :-) Once upon a time Red Hat was free. Then they decided to exist purely on support fees. Meanwhile a bunch of supporters invented a downstream variant called Centos. They worked very hard to remove all the Red Hat branding and recompile (is that the correct Linux term?) the software. There was so ugly goings on which were publicised but eventually resolved. The other downstream variant is called Scientific Linux and that is a joint collaboration between Europe's CERN and it's USA equivalent Fermilab. Then one day a big bad wolf called Oracle of very expensive Oracle SQL fame swallowed Red Hat, like they swallowed MySQL, Solaris, Open Office and Visual Box. The long term future for these is uncertain. Pure Centos is identical to Red Hat. However various repositories offer extras and variants which make the installed Centos slightly different from Red Hat. One can sometimes install some Fedora items into Centos. Centos is great. Will that do ? ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
For years, I've been using Fedora Core for my desktop/laptop systems and CentOS for my servers. It's a good balance, because upgrading Fedora Core takes about an hour or so, plus a day or two of occasional interruptions to shake out various drivers and stuff. Also, I don't have to keep two different Operating Systems sorted out On my hard disk, I have my /home, /boot, and / directories each on their own partitions, and when I'm upgrading my Fedora, I just format / and /boot, and leave /home alone. Although I've transfered it a few times between hard disk and computer upgrades, I've been using the same /home directory for well over 10 years now, with nary a hitch! Make sure you have backups, etc., especially when upgrading versions, though I've not had much problem. Fedora Core is cutting edge and had no particular trouble shaking out drivers on my recent Dell Precision M4500. -Ben On Tuesday, January 25, 2011 09:49:39 am Always Learning wrote: I persuaded a reluctant friend to buy a new computer. I enthusiastically extolled the joys and benefits of Centos and promised to install it on his new machine - dual booting with Micro$oft Windoze 7. His super-duper new laptop arrived. Acer, AMD 4 core, fast etc. but not as nice looking as my impressive HP DV5. The wireless refused to connect. After 8 hours on Saturday I could sometimes see hubs in the neighbourhood but could not connect to my own hub using WPA2. iwlist wlan0 scan produced technical details of local hubs - but still could not connect. NetworkManager sometimes froze. Spent many hours Googling for his wifi adaptor Altheros AR928K which uses a driver known as ATH9K. Many others have had a similar problem. Kernel 2.6.27 apparently includes this driver but Centos 5.5 is 2.6.18. On my Sony Vaio netbook I abandoned XP and installed Centos 5.5. No wifi (yet XP had) but luckily for me I eventually discovered the Altheros AR8132 needed ATL1E which, for Centos 5.5, means a kernel modification. Luckily it is on Elrepo as kmod-atl1e. A quick Yum and I was connected. Many thanks to Elrepo. The netbook comes to life with Centos. Its now a really usable machine. XP on a netbook was pure crap. However ATH9K for Centos 5.5 does not exist. This afternoon I had to tell my friend his brand new computer is incompatible with Centos and wifi. Please can anyone recommend a suitable Linux variant with a kernel = 2.6.27 that is a bit like Centos ? Does anyone know if Centos 5.6 will be on 2.6.18 and whether it will have drivers like ATH9K ? Anyone any idea what kernel version Centos 6 will have ? Thank you. Best regards, Paul GB Centos on 2 VPS, 2 desktops, 1 laptop and 1 netbook. Going cheap : genuine Windoze 95 and 98 installation disks :-) ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
Always Learning wrote: Mark Roth wrote: You do understand the relationship of CentOS to RHEL, right? Right :-) Once upon a time Red Hat was free. Then they decided to exist purely on Actually, you were supposed to buy the CDs, which I did (I really suppose I can get rid of my 5.2, 6, 7, 7.1, 7.2, and 7.3 CDs g). They weren't expensive. However, after 9 (shrike), they'd already become the distro of choice for business use in the US (it was SuSE in Europe), and they rebranded their main branch Red Hat Enterprise Linux, to make PHB's feel warm and fuzzy. support fees. Meanwhile a bunch of supporters invented a downstream variant called Centos. They worked very hard to remove all the Red Hat branding and recompile (is that the correct Linux term?) the software. Yes, you compile *real* software g. My description is they file off the serial numbers (and remove the proprietary stuff), then rebuild the whole shebang. There was so ugly goings on which were publicised but eventually resolved. The other downstream variant is called Scientific Linux and that is a joint collaboration between Europe's CERN and it's USA equivalent Fermilab. No, Fermilab and -its-* equivalent, CERN. Then one day a big bad wolf called Oracle of very expensive Oracle SQL fame swallowed Red Hat, like they swallowed MySQL, Solaris, Open Office and Visual Box. The long term future for these is uncertain. Um, no, not sure where you got that. Oracle bought a license, or something, from RH, and rebranded it, with changes as a VAR, Oracle Unbreakable Linux. RH is still its* company, not owned by Oracle in any way. Pure Centos is identical to Red Hat. However various repositories offer extras and variants which make the installed Centos slightly different from Red Hat. One can sometimes install some Fedora items into Centos. Yup on the latter, but mostly older fedora, which is bleeding edge. snip mark * These notes brought to you in behalf of the Professional Organization of English Majors, who want to remind you that it's == it is, and is not the possessive whatchamacallit, its, as in it's got a shoe on its foot. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] #!/bin/csh -v not work on CENTOS 5.5
We have several csh batch scripts using #!/bin/csh -v. It work fine, before Centos 5.5. After cenos 5.5, it will NOT execute and only list history. Anyone know why? Thanks. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
Benjamin Smith wrote: snip On my hard disk, I have my /home, /boot, and / directories each on their own partitions, and when I'm upgrading my Fedora, I just format / and /boot, and leave /home alone. Although I've transfered it a few times between hard snip Yep. ALWAYS have /home on its own partition. You *might* want /opt on its own, also. For more on my views on this, here's my copy of the article I had published a few years ago in SysAdmin (now defunct, unfortunately) http://24.5-cent.us/upgrading_linux.doc mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] #!/bin/csh -v not work on CENTOS 5.5
On 26/01/11 08:48, mcclnx mcc wrote: We have several csh batch scripts using #!/bin/csh -v. It work fine, before Centos 5.5. After cenos 5.5, it will NOT execute and only list history. Any particular error message that is generated? ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
On Tue, 25 Jan 2011, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org From: m.r...@5-cent.us Subject: Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster Always Learning wrote: snip After 8 hours on Saturday I could sometimes see hubs in the neighbourhood but could not connect to my own hub using WPA2. iwlist wlan0 scan produced technical details of local hubs - but still could not connect. NetworkManager sometimes froze. Spent many hours Googling for his wifi adaptor Altheros AR928K which uses a driver known as ATH9K. Many others have had a similar problem. Kernel 2.6.27 apparently includes this driver but Centos 5.5 is 2.6.18. I came from Fedora 10 to Centos, and the learning curve was basically a flat line. Using Centos is like stepping back in time to FC8 for me. So I recommend Fedora as it's cutting edge, and I had no major problems apart from not being able to print from Java apps - but that got sorted a long time ago AFAIR. Kind Regards, Keith - Websites: http://www.karsites.net http://www.php-debuggers.net http://www.raised-from-the-dead.org.uk All email addresses are challenge-response protected with TMDA [http://tmda.net] - ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] #!/bin/csh -v not work on CENTOS 5.5
mcclnx mcc wrote: We have several csh batch scripts using #!/bin/csh -v. It work fine, before Centos 5.5. After cenos 5.5, it will NOT execute and only list history. Anyone know why? Check the tsch logs. Try some tests - I forget what we used here, but they broke tcsh's globbing about a year and a half ago, then fixed it; just saw where there was another fix a month or so ago. Or yum downgrade tcsh, till they fix it. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] adding raid1 to running system
Robert Heller wrote: At Mon, 24 Jan 2011 14:53:45 -0600 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote: I have followed the procedure on the Centos page: http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/CentOS5ConvertToRAID Is there a how too for CentOS 4.x? It shouldn't be much different than the 5.x howto. Iam on Centos 5.5 with all updates. My setup is slightly different. I am using two partitions, / and /home. I have setup swap as a file, /home/swapfile. My hard drives are 500Gig sda and sdb. In modifying the instructions for initializing  sdb I have: used /dev/md0 for / (sdb1) used /dev/md1 for /home (sdb2) In section 3.6 The line: mount /dev/RaidSys/Root /mnt/root.new was changed to mount /dev/md0 /mnt/root.new Everything seems to go well until I get to section 4.4.1/4.4.2 Install grub. The commands for installing grub show success but when I edit the /mnt/root.new/boot/grub/menu.lst the contents still point to hd0 not hd1. In section 4.4.4 I am not sure how the following should be changed: umount /mnt/boot.new mount /dev/md0 /mnt/root.new/boot The umount is not needed in my case but should the second line be: mount /dev/md0 /mnt/root.new Other info I have found includes creating a /etc/mdadm.conf. This is not referred to in the instructions. Are the changes I have made correct? Am I missing any other changes? Thanks for any help, David ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Gene Brandt bran...@bellsouth.net wrote: Chiming in I find CentOs VERY stable. I need this for my User community (Wife and Daughter) It has to look and work the same always. For the new people to Linux I've noted that NT admins can very easily install ubuntu and get it running (for awhile). From what I remember it had a Windozie feel. Coming from the Solaris, AIX, and HP world I prefer stability. -- Thanks, Gene Brandt SCSA I need to call you on this one. Windozie (implying some kind of decent user interface) and stability are not mutually exclusive, as your comment suggests. In the old days you may have had to choose, but that's long past. Windows 7 is very stable, as is Mac OS X. This is the type of false dichotomy that a certain US-based news network (rhymes with Blox Fews) uses to misinform a naive public. Please don't bring that kind of logic into tech discussions. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
Where did I say that! From what I remember it had a Windozie feel In MY opinion ( only an opinion) Winblows will never be stable. -- Thanks, Gene Brandt SCSA 8625 Carriage Road River Ridge, LA 70123 home 504-737-4295 cell 504-452-3250 Family Web Page | My Web Page | LinkedIn | Facebook | Resumebucket On Tue, 2011-01-25 at 15:04 -0500, Brian Mathis wrote: On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Gene Brandt bran...@bellsouth.net wrote: Chiming in I find CentOs VERY stable. I need this for my User community (Wife and Daughter) It has to look and work the same always. For the new people to Linux I've noted that NT admins can very easily install ubuntu and get it running (for awhile). From what I remember it had a Windozie feel. Coming from the Solaris, AIX, and HP world I prefer stability. -- Thanks, Gene Brandt SCSA I need to call you on this one. Windozie (implying some kind of decent user interface) and stability are not mutually exclusive, as your comment suggests. In the old days you may have had to choose, but that's long past. Windows 7 is very stable, as is Mac OS X. This is the type of false dichotomy that a certain US-based news network (rhymes with Blox Fews) uses to misinform a naive public. Please don't bring that kind of logic into tech discussions. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
At Tue, 25 Jan 2011 14:45:44 -0500 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote: Always Learning wrote: Mark Roth wrote: You do understand the relationship of CentOS to RHEL, right? Right :-) Once upon a time Red Hat was free. Then they decided to exist purely on Actually, you were supposed to buy the CDs, which I did (I really suppose I can get rid of my 5.2, 6, 7, 7.1, 7.2, and 7.3 CDs g). They weren't expensive. However, after 9 (shrike), they'd already become the distro of choice for business use in the US (it was SuSE in Europe), and they rebranded their main branch Red Hat Enterprise Linux, to make PHB's feel warm and fuzzy. support fees. Meanwhile a bunch of supporters invented a downstream variant called Centos. They worked very hard to remove all the Red Hat branding and recompile (is that the correct Linux term?) the software. Yes, you compile *real* software g. My description is they file off the serial numbers (and remove the proprietary stuff), then rebuild the whole shebang. There was so ugly goings on which were publicised but eventually resolved. The other downstream variant is called Scientific Linux and that is a joint collaboration between Europe's CERN and it's USA equivalent Fermilab. No, Fermilab and -its-* equivalent, CERN. Then one day a big bad wolf called Oracle of very expensive Oracle SQL fame swallowed Red Hat, like they swallowed MySQL, Solaris, Open Office and Visual Box. The long term future for these is uncertain. Um, no, not sure where you got that. Oracle bought a license, or something, from RH, and rebranded it, with changes as a VAR, Oracle Unbreakable Linux. RH is still its* company, not owned by Oracle in any way. Right. Oracle bought *Sun Microsystems*. (Sun Microsystems had come onto 'hard times'.) Sun Microsystems owned the Solaris O/S (originally SunOS), and provided the major support for MySQL and Open Office. Now Oracle owns the Solaris O/S and is in the position of providing major support for MySQL and Open Office. Since MySQL is a nominal Open Source 'competitor' of Oracle's (closed source) DB, it is uncertain what Oracle will do with MySQL (or what the MySQL developers will do, etc.). Oracle's owner is just as much anti-Microsoft as the former owner/founder of Sun Microsystems, so it is likely that Oracle will continue to support Open Office (if only as a anti-Microsoft gesture). Pure Centos is identical to Red Hat. However various repositories offer extras and variants which make the installed Centos slightly different from Red Hat. One can sometimes install some Fedora items into Centos. Yup on the latter, but mostly older fedora, which is bleeding edge. snip mark * These notes brought to you in behalf of the Professional Organization of English Majors, who want to remind you that it's == it is, and is not the possessive whatchamacallit, its, as in it's got a shoe on its foot. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933 / hel...@deepsoft.com Deepwoods Software-- http://www.deepsoft.com/ () ascii ribbon campaign -- against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org -- against proprietary attachments ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
Any version of Windows is stable - its only when ppl start adding the pretty butterfly screen savers, or open email attachments that things go wrong. It is very vulnerable, especially IE, but with a little education, preventive steps, and decent backups, the majority of businesses in the world that use it manage fine.. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
Gene Brandt wrote: On Tue, 2011-01-25 at 15:04 -0500, Brian Mathis wrote: On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Gene Brandt bran...@bellsouth.net wrote: Chiming in I find CentOs VERY stable. I need this for my User community (Wife and Daughter) It has to look and work the same always. For the new people to Linux I've noted that NT admins can very easily install ubuntu and get it running (for awhile). From what I remember it had a Windozie feel. Coming from the Solaris, AIX, and HP world I prefer stability. I need to call you on this one. Windozie (implying some kind of decent user interface) and stability are not mutually exclusive, as your comment suggests. In the old days you may have had to choose, but that's long past. Windows 7 is very stable, as is Mac OS X. This is the type of false dichotomy that a certain US-based news network (rhymes with Blox Fews) uses to misinform a naive public. Please don't bring that kind of logic into tech discussions. Where did I say that! From what I remember it had a Windozie feel In MY opinion ( only an opinion) Winblows will never be stable. I've got 7 on my work laptop, and my lady's got Vista at home. I *despise* both of them: they do their best to hide what you need to do, if it's anything other than looking at pictures, playing music, email, and web. And, IMO, part of the time they have problems with that. We won't even *begin* to talk about how the work laptop is so locked down that even wtih a local admin account, I can't do almost anything mark, yes, I do loathe WinDoze ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
compdoc wrote: Any version of Windows is stable - its only when ppl start adding the pretty butterfly screen savers, or open email attachments that things go wrong. It is very vulnerable, especially IE, but with a little education, preventive steps, and decent backups, the majority of businesses in the world that use it manage fine.. Hah. Hah. And hah. Feel free to talk to me offlist about what I went through, for example, to use a barcode scanner, or to install ocsinventory. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
On 01/25/2011 03:04 PM, Brian Mathis wrote: I need to call you on this one. Windozie (implying some kind of decent user interface) and stability are not mutually exclusive, as your comment suggests. In the old days you may have had to choose, but that's long past. Windows 7 is very stable, as is Mac OS X. This is the type of false dichotomy that a certain US-based news network (rhymes with Blox Fews) uses to misinform a naive public. Please don't bring that kind of logic into tech discussions. I have to agree here as well. Too many times do I see people just blasting other operating systems for these reasons. I'd even go as far as argue that Windows XP is stable too, so long as it's managed, administered, and setup securely and correctly. I don't notice any more crashes on the Ubuntu systems I have set up, compared to those of CentOS/RHEL, or to even Windows XP and 7 systems. And I administer all of the above in the same network. People mix these perceptions up all to frequently, or personally because I simply believe they like to bash other operating systems that they don't like or want to use. Just my 0.02 cents. Regards, Max ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
Windows CAN be plenty stable... I used a very stable windows box just like this one this morning! http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19991001 On Jan 25, 2011, at 12:23 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: compdoc wrote: Any version of Windows is stable - its only when ppl start adding the pretty butterfly screen savers, or open email attachments that things go wrong. It is very vulnerable, especially IE, but with a little education, preventive steps, and decent backups, the majority of businesses in the world that use it manage fine.. Hah. Hah. And hah. Feel free to talk to me offlist about what I went through, for example, to use a barcode scanner, or to install ocsinventory. mark -- Don Krause This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
I do IT for local businesses in Denver. I build workstations and servers, do hardware upgrades, networking, VPNs, firewalls, virtual machines - anything a business might need. Windows and linux. Any tech worth his salt will have learned how windows works and how to repair it. It is possible to repair. Same is true of any Linux technician. My first 'real' computer was a Fat Mac, so I still love a good GUI. And Windows has a nice GUI. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
On Tuesday, January 25, 2011 12:21:35 pm m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: I've got 7 on my work laptop, and my lady's got Vista at home. I *despise* both of them: they do their best to hide what you need to do, if it's anything other than looking at pictures, playing music, email, and web. And, IMO, part of the time they have problems with that. We won't even *begin* to talk about how the work laptop is so locked down that even wtih a local admin account, I can't do almost anything mark, yes, I do loathe WinDoze When did this become a Windows discussion list? Sure, I loathe Windows, too. (until I want to play a game!) But I'm not here to read about Windows' many faults -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
Max Hetrick wrote: On 01/25/2011 03:04 PM, Brian Mathis wrote: I need to call you on this one. Windozie (implying some kind of decent user interface) and stability are not mutually exclusive, as your comment suggests. In the old days you may have had to choose, but that's long past. Windows 7 is very stable, as is Mac OS X. This is the type of false dichotomy that a certain US-based news network (rhymes with Blox Fews) uses to misinform a naive public. Please don't bring that kind of logic into tech discussions. I have to agree here as well. Too many times do I see people just blasting other operating systems for these reasons. I'd even go as far as argue that Windows XP is stable too, so long as it's managed, administered, and setup securely and correctly. So what happens when one does the monthly tuesday patches for windoze and your security door controller running on SQLserver (micro$oft) fails. Back out all the patches - inform micro$oft - wait - wait some more - never get a response - call the security software vendor - aware of patch problem - no fix planned - buy the newest version. All this on a stable windoze XP prof. Dell box. that's all that matters. I don't notice any more crashes on the Ubuntu systems I have set up, compared to those of CentOS/RHEL, or to even Windows XP and 7 systems. And I administer all of the above in the same network. People mix these perceptions up all to frequently, or personally because I simply believe they like to bash other operating systems that they don't like or want to use. Just my 0.02 cents. Regards, Max ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos attachment: rkampen.vcf___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:45 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: : * These notes brought to you in behalf of the Professional Organization of English Majors, who want to remind you that it's == it is, and is not the possessive whatchamacallit, its, as in it's got a shoe on its foot. So, it is got a shoe on its foot? Hmm :-) ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
Mark wrote: On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:45 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: : * These notes brought to you in behalf of the Professional Organization of English Majors, who want to remind you that it's == it is, and is not the possessive whatchamacallit, its, as in it's got a shoe on its foot. So, it is got a shoe on its foot? Hmm Right, but I wasn't the English major, y'know It can also be it has. mark defeet went over defence before detail ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
compdoc wrote: snip My first 'real' computer was a Fat Mac, so I still love a good GUI. And Windows has a nice GUI. Windows was ok. Oh, sorry, Windows 3.x. One reason I dispise Window (post 3.x) is the incredibly stupid design decision to put the GUI into ring 0. Something goes wrong with the GUI, you're toast. Win 3.x, *Nix (including OS X), oh, well, restart the GUI. And because it's all in there, lessee, I just read the other week that an average laptop these days has the processing power of a mid-nineties Cray supercomputer... and they run like an 8088 (ok, maybe an 80286), just for all the eye candy: style, not content. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] mail problems after setting up lynx for https with c_rehash
Hi List, I am not sure it's related but after I ran c_rehash over my ssl certificate directory I am having email delay problems. 1. my thunderbird client now regularly times out and tells me the smtp server is not available - a retry always works - this never occurred before. I do use TLS for the smtp server on port 25 for my connection. 2. another mail server that regularly sends me mail reports:- ** ** THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY ** ** YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE ** ** The original message was received at Mon, 24 Jan 2011 21:12:16 -0800 from relay07 [10.183.136.126] - Transcript of session follows - rkam...@reaching-clients.com... Deferred: 403 4.7.0 TLS handshake failed. Warning: message still undelivered after 1 minute Will keep trying until message is 5 days old The mails arrive just fine a bit later - related?? I have checked the load on the server - low I have checked maillog and can see nothing different or unusual running centos 5.5 on 2.6.18-194.26.1.el5 BTW lynx with https is working just fine now Not sure where to look next - any ideas or suggestions appreciated TIA attachment: rkampen.vcf___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
On 1/25/2011 2:49 PM, Rob Kampen wrote: So what happens when one does the monthly tuesday patches for windoze and your security door controller running on SQLserver (micro$oft) fails. Back out all the patches - inform micro$oft - wait - wait some more - never get a response - call the security software vendor - aware of patch problem - no fix planned - buy the newest version. All this on a stable windoze XP prof. Dell box. that's all that matters. Running XP as a server??? You do know there are Windows server products, right? -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: Running XP as a server??? There are lots of bloatware Windows products which use MS SQL server as an embedded database, Les. My personal favourite was the software for a TV tuner card (Pinnacle) which used SQL Server to store its program schedule. Bloatware of the first order, and unstable as hell, too. Meanwhile, for those who a spot of schadenfreude: http://failblog.org/2011/01/25/m-thru-f-why-so-blue/ Best, --- Les Bell [http://www.lesbell.com.au] Tel: +61 2 9451 1144 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] mail problems after setting up lynx for https with c_rehash
On Tue, 2011-01-25 at 16:12 -0500, Rob Kampen wrote: running centos 5.5 on 2.6.18-194.26.1.el5 I'm running 5.5 but with 2.6.18-194.32.1.el5 (64 bit). -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
On Tue, 2011-01-25 at 16:01 -0500, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: processing power of a mid-nineties Cray supercomputer... and they run like an 8088 (ok, maybe an 80286), just for all the eye candy: style, not content. Give me the good old 6502 any day and its mainframe predecessor with a 36 bit word which was 4 Ascii or 6 BCD characters. -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
Les Bell wrote: Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: Running XP as a server??? There are lots of bloatware Windows products which use MS SQL server as an embedded database, Les. My personal favourite was the software for a TV tuner card (Pinnacle) which used SQL Server to store its program schedule. Bloatware of the first order, and unstable as hell, too. Meanwhile, for those who a spot of schadenfreude: http://failblog.org/2011/01/25/m-thru-f-why-so-blue/ Heh. About 10 years ago, in Chicago, there's this huge screen diagonlly on a corner over a restaurant... and it was BSoD, for a while mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] libsrtp package anywhere?
Reviving this thread as I've discovered RedHat has officially added (a sane) libsrtp package to fedora and RHEL6. As I'd like to get this onto CentOS5, I've tried to rebuild the source rpm, downloadable here: http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/libsrtp/1.4.4/2.20101004cvs.el6/src/libsrtp-1.4.4-2.20101004cvs.el6.src.rpm So, of course, I hit a snag trying simply, $ rpmbuild --rebuild libsrtp-1.4.4-2.20101004cvs.el6.src.rpm Installing libsrtp-1.4.4-2.20101004cvs.el6.src.rpm warning: user mockbuild does not exist - using root warning: group mockbuild does not exist - using root error: unpacking of archive failed on file /home/bbeers/redhat/SOURCES/libsrtp-1.4.4-shared.patch;4d3f3b3c: cpio: MD5 sum mismatch error: libsrtp-1.4.4-2.20101004cvs.el6.src.rpm cannot be installed Then I found the hint suggesting: $ rpm -ivh --nomd5 libsrtp-1.4.4-2.20101004cvs.el6.src.rpm followed by: $ rpmbuild -bb ~/redhat/SPECS/libsrtp.spec And progress was made, but the package did not build. Here is the output of the rpmbuild command: $ rpmbuild -bb ~/redhat/SPECS/libsrtp.spec Executing(%prep): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.75608 + umask 022 + cd /home/bbeers/redhat//BUILD + LANG=C + export LANG + unset DISPLAY + cd /home/bbeers/redhat/BUILD + rm -rf srtp + /usr/bin/bzip2 -dc /home/bbeers/redhat/SOURCES/srtp-1.4.4-20101004cvs.tar.bz2 + tar -xf - + STATUS=0 + '[' 0 -ne 0 ']' + cd srtp ++ /usr/bin/id -u + '[' 503 = 0 ']' ++ /usr/bin/id -u + '[' 503 = 0 ']' + /bin/chmod -Rf a+rX,u+w,g-w,o-w . + echo 'Patch #0 (libsrtp-1.4.4-shared.patch):' Patch #0 (libsrtp-1.4.4-shared.patch): + patch -p1 -b --suffix .shared -s + sed -i 's/\r//g' doc/draft-irtf-cfrg-icm-00.txt + exit 0 Executing(%build): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.28921 + umask 022 + cd /home/bbeers/redhat//BUILD + cd srtp + LANG=C + export LANG + unset DISPLAY + export 'CFLAGS=-O2 -g -pipe -Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -m32 -march=i386 -mtune=generic -fasynchronous-unwind-tables -fPIC' + CFLAGS='-O2 -g -pipe -Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -m32 -march=i386 -mtune=generic -fasynchronous-unwind-tables -fPIC' + CFLAGS='-O2 -g -pipe -Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -m32 -march=i386 -mtune=generic -fasynchronous-unwind-tables -fPIC' + export CFLAGS + CXXFLAGS='-O2 -g -pipe -Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -m32 -march=i386 -mtune=generic -fasynchronous-unwind-tables' + export CXXFLAGS + FFLAGS='-O2 -g -pipe -Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -m32 -march=i386 -mtune=generic -fasynchronous-unwind-tables' + export FFLAGS ++ find . -name config.guess -o -name config.sub + for i in '$(find . -name config.guess -o -name config.sub)' ++ basename ./config.guess + '[' -f /usr/lib/rpm/redhat/config.guess ']' + /bin/rm -f ./config.guess ++ basename ./config.guess + /bin/cp -fv /usr/lib/rpm/redhat/config.guess ./config.guess `/usr/lib/rpm/redhat/config.guess' - `./config.guess' + for i in '$(find . -name config.guess -o -name config.sub)' ++ basename ./config.sub + '[' -f /usr/lib/rpm/redhat/config.sub ']' + /bin/rm -f ./config.sub ++ basename ./config.sub + /bin/cp -fv /usr/lib/rpm/redhat/config.sub ./config.sub `/usr/lib/rpm/redhat/config.sub' - `./config.sub' + ./configure --build=i686-redhat-linux-gnu --host=i686-redhat-linux-gnu --target=i386-redhat-linux-gnu --program-prefix= --prefix=/usr --exec-prefix=/usr --bindir=/usr/bin --sbindir=/usr/sbin --sysconfdir=/etc --datadir=/usr/share --includedir=/usr/include --libdir=/usr/lib --libexecdir=/usr/libexec --localstatedir=/var --sharedstatedir=/usr/com --mandir=/usr/share/man --infodir=/usr/share/info --disable-static checking for i686-redhat-linux-gnu-ranlib... no checking for ranlib... ranlib checking for i686-redhat-linux-gnu-gcc... no checking for gcc... gcc checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out checking whether the C compiler works... yes checking whether we are cross compiling... no checking for suffix of executables... checking for suffix of object files... o checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes checking for gcc option to accept ANSI C... none needed checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c checking whether byte ordering is bigendian... no checking build system type... i686-redhat-linux-gnu checking host system type... i686-redhat-linux-gnu checking whether to build for Linux kernel context... no checking for /dev/urandom... yes checking which random device to use... /dev/urandom checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E checking for egrep... grep -E checking for ANSI C header files... yes checking for sys/types.h... yes checking for sys/stat.h... yes checking for stdlib.h... yes checking for string.h... yes checking for memory.h... yes checking for
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
On Tuesday, January 25, 2011 01:45:34 pm Always Learning wrote: Give me the good old 6502 any day and its mainframe predecessor with a 36 bit word which was 4 Ascii or 6 BCD characters. http://www.6502.org/tools/emu/ Done? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
On 01/25/2011 03:49 PM, Rob Kampen wrote: So what happens when one does the monthly tuesday patches for windoze and your security door controller running on SQLserver (micro$oft) fails. Back out all the patches - inform micro$oft - wait - wait some more - never get a response - call the security software vendor - aware of patch problem - no fix planned - buy the newest version. All this on a stable windoze XP prof. Dell box. that's all that matters. Windows aside, my point was that I see it far to often from people that just because something is pretty or has the windozie feel, they automatically dismiss it as a non-stable product. Take Ubuntu for example, it has the prettiness and all the GUI tools, which is what attracts desktop users, but then you have those that say it's not stable and is too cutting edge because of that reason. I personally don't find it to be the case, but that's my experience with working with it. Every OS has an application, it depends on what you're trying to accomplish. Running CentOS for normal user desktops didn't yield good results for me, where Ubuntu did and fit that purpose. Or running Windows XP as a server, where a Windows Server 2003/2008 instance should be. A lot of it is decision making for what is trying to be done. Too many are narrow minded about this kind of stuff, because they don't want to work with something different, or with what is out of their comfort zone. My point was to not fall into that mind frame of GUI is bad or bleeding edge and doesn't work, and therefor is automatic crap. That is certainly not the case. I've seen GUI tools be refused to be used simply because they are GUI tools, and to me that's not 2011 type thinking. Personally, I run CentOS on my laptop. I also like all the guifications, so I spend lots of time setting that GUI pretty feel up for myself. Since my employer runs a lot of RHEL/CentOS on servers, I want and like to have a system similar to use, but I also like my desktop eye candy too. But I also run Ubuntu, SuSE, and Windows. If systems are properly applied to the appropriate applications, and set up and managed correctly, then I don't have problems running many kinds of operating systems. I don't fall victim to the religion of one operating system, I use many kinds to get my job done that I'm paid to do. Again, just my 0.02 cents as I was backing Brian's comments about the divide between thinking nice user interface can't be said in the same sentence as a stable platform to use. Regards, Max ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
On Tuesday, January 25, 2011 11:20:34 am Always Learning wrote: Then one day a big bad wolf called Oracle of very expensive Oracle SQL fame swallowed Red Hat, like they swallowed MySQL, Solaris, Open Office and Visual Box. The long term future for these is uncertain. Whaaa...? Facts would seem otherwise Here's an article from just a few months ago! http://www.glgroup.com/News/Oracle-to-Red-Hat--Its-Not-Your-Fathers-Linux- Market-Anymore-51058.html -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] kickstart and grub parameters
Keith Keller wrote on Tue, 25 Jan 2011 14:05:01 -0800: grub's menu.lst sure, you don't mean grub.conf? grub.conf seems to be the official conf. menu.lst used to be that in the past and is now only a symlink. If you have both a menu.lst and a grub.conf file that are different ... this would explain your problem. Also, I wonder if you really want to comment *out* hiddenmenu? Kai ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] kickstart and grub parameters
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 01:31:17AM +0100, Kai Schaetzl wrote: Keith Keller wrote on Tue, 25 Jan 2011 14:05:01 -0800: grub's menu.lst sure, you don't mean grub.conf? grub.conf seems to be the official conf. A-ha! Yes, you are indeed correct. I suspect that my kickstart %post section removed the symlink and created a new menu.lst file, whereas on my other system menu.lst is still a symlink because I never attempted to mangle it. (I used a perl one-liner to modify menu.lst, and I've tested that perl -pi does remove a symlink to make a new file.) Also, I wonder if you really want to comment *out* hiddenmenu? Yep. I really like to see everything! :) Thanks for the pointer--I will be sure to use grub.conf in the future. --keith -- kkel...@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us pgpF3LLGNGOXp.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
On Tue, 2011-01-25 at 14:25 -0800, Benjamin Smith wrote: On Tuesday, January 25, 2011 11:20:34 am Always Learning wrote: Then one day a big bad wolf called Oracle of very expensive Oracle SQL fame swallowed Red Hat, like they swallowed MySQL, Solaris, Open Office and Visual Box. The long term future for these is uncertain. Whaaa...? Facts would seem otherwise Here's an article from just a few months ago! http://www.glgroup.com/News/Oracle-to-Red-Hat--Its-Not-Your-Fathers-Linux- Market-Anymore-51058.html Thank you. Happily I got the 'swallowed Red Hat' wrong. Sadly the long term future for Red Hat, MySQL, Open Office and Visual Box is certainly uncertain. I've seen the changes in the computer world first-hand for 43 years staring when there were no screens, no keyboards and no disks although one installation, a KDF9, did have a magnetic drum. Everything changes. Computer companies and software change, evolve and then eventually disappear. It's 'computer evolution'. What is noticeable is the vast number of organisations failing to use computers properly - not extracting the maximum benefit from their computer systems and running incompatible systems which can not exchange basic data. In the UK in 2011 A.D. local authorities (councils) and the territorial police forces operate this way. Despite vast computer budgets, and a supporting bureaucracy which includes computer managers lacking any of the skills possessed by participants on this mailing list, important decisions appear to be made by morons usually assisted by consultants whose shinny shoes and expensive suits are much more conspicuous than technical acumen. Gone are the days when an in-house team of programmers and analysts would design and code customised programmes that fully satisfied the business needs of the organisations. The intelligence services and scientific research are exceptions. In the commercial sphere it is M$ and Oracle applications (especially Oracle Financials) plus proprietary software from third parties. The number of 'computer experts' that know only how to press the correct key in a M$ application yet lack any appreciation of how computer systems work or the logic behind them is increasing. Linux, the BSDs and Solaris continue the good tradition of 'real' computing while expensive Apple demonstrates how good Windoze could be if M$ really tried. Will we one day be dependent on open source Chinese Linux if Western open source Linux dries-up ? -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] unable to check in code to svn when files contain spaces or characters
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 9:06 AM, cpol...@surewest.net wrote: Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: i as able to add other files with space using the following command : svn st |grep ? |cut -c8- |sed 's/ /\\ /g' |xargs svn add Second, stop playing with xargs in command line handling. It is not your friend. That seems harsh. Can you explain? It's been my experience that using find mumble/ -print0 | xargs -0 mumble almost always provides a way to process arbitrary file names. But maybe this particular case can't be shoehorned into that idiom? It's a bit harsh, The fact that this conversation is happening here, instead of the subversion user list where it would be more appropriate, is a bit problematic. I personally hang out on both, but you'll get better application advice like this on the appropriate user mailing list. xargs is very useful, but for line-by-line processing like this, its default mangling of whitespace is designed to pass the set of arguments as command line arguments to some basic shell command like rm or cp or cat. Read the manual page for details, or run info xargs to get the full texinfo documentation. If you *NEED* to do this, you can use something like: svn st |grep ^'?' |cut -c8- | xargs --null svn add This helps avoid border cases with spaces or tabs or '?' in filenames. Robustly sanitizing inputs is an art form. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
On Tue, 2011-01-25 at 13:12 -0500, Robert Heller wrote: At Tue, 25 Jan 2011 17:49:39 + CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote: Anyone any idea what kernel version Centos 6 will have ? Probably whatever Fedora Core 12 (?) has. Whether this will work on your friend's laptop is uncertain. 2.6.31 Linux kernel, Kernel 2.6.32 was pushed to updates repository on 27 February 2010 But no Gnome 3 just 2.28 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora_%28operating_system%29#Fedora_12 -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
Quoting Always Learning cen...@g7.u22.net: On Tue, 2011-01-25 at 13:12 -0500, Robert Heller wrote: At Tue, 25 Jan 2011 17:49:39 + CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote: Anyone any idea what kernel version Centos 6 will have ? My RHEL 6 machine (fully updated) has kernel 2.6.32-71.14.1. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
On Tue, 2011-01-25 at 13:46 -0500, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Always Learning wrote: snip Thanks for the Ubuntu recommendation. I tend to buy the DVD's and install from them. I have VBox running Win98SE on a Centos desktop because I want to run software and applications from 1992 (my own DOS Cobol database) which also runs in DosBox, 1993 (my customised Ami Pro Why not install gcc, and recompile your COBOL for Linux? g snip mark, pulling a brown paper bag over his head before admitting to having written a *lot* of COBOL back before I got to Unix Years ago, before I discovered PHP, I might have. Cobol was the second language I leaned in 1967 from a hardware manufacturer's tutor who didn't have a clue. The first was Easycoder (an assembler type) which I loved. Having used Cobol for 30+ years and remembering it with some affection and also remembering a Schiphol airport programmer's 15 page compound IF statement (Hallo Hans! 60 coding lines a page; GO TO was banned) it is a bit long-winded. These days I prefer PHP with the fast MySQL databases. -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
On Wednesday, January 26, 2011 05:24 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: On 1/25/2011 2:49 PM, Rob Kampen wrote: So what happens when one does the monthly tuesday patches for windoze and your security door controller running on SQLserver (micro$oft) fails. Back out all the patches - inform micro$oft - wait - wait some more - never get a response - call the security software vendor - aware of patch problem - no fix planned - buy the newest version. All this on a stable windoze XP prof. Dell box. that's all that matters. Running XP as a server??? You do know there are Windows server products, right? Bah, just hack XP to enable the stuff on Windows 2003 Server. :p ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
On Wednesday, January 26, 2011 11:55 AM, Always Learning wrote: On Tue, 2011-01-25 at 14:25 -0800, Benjamin Smith wrote: On Tuesday, January 25, 2011 11:20:34 am Always Learning wrote: Then one day a big bad wolf called Oracle of very expensive Oracle SQL fame swallowed Red Hat, like they swallowed MySQL, Solaris, Open Office and Visual Box. The long term future for these is uncertain. Whaaa...? Facts would seem otherwise Here's an article from just a few months ago! http://www.glgroup.com/News/Oracle-to-Red-Hat--Its-Not-Your-Fathers-Linux- Market-Anymore-51058.html Thank you. Happily I got the 'swallowed Red Hat' wrong. Sadly the long term future for Red Hat, MySQL, Open Office and Visual Box is certainly uncertain. Ah, I get your drift! Illumos and OpenIndiana is the way to go! Will we one day be dependent on open source Chinese Linux if Western open source Linux dries-up ? ??? Surely you mean stuff from the rising sun Illumos and OpenIndiana! ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
On 01/25/11 8:49 PM, Always Learning wrote: Cobol was the second language I leaned in 1967 from a hardware manufacturer's tutor who didn't have a clue. The first was Easycoder (an assembler type) which I loved. do you mean autocoder? that was the 'assembler' on the IBM 1400 series ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
On Wednesday, January 26, 2011 12:41 PM, Barry Brimer wrote: Quoting Always Learningcen...@g7.u22.net: On Tue, 2011-01-25 at 13:12 -0500, Robert Heller wrote: At Tue, 25 Jan 2011 17:49:39 + CentOS mailing listcentos@centos.org wrote: Anyone any idea what kernel version Centos 6 will have ? My RHEL 6 machine (fully updated) has kernel 2.6.32-71.14.1. Alright, that's it, I want Centos 6 now! ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
On Wed, 2011-01-26 at 13:27 +0800, Christopher Chan wrote: Surely you mean stuff from the rising sun Illumos and OpenIndiana! Nope. Not convinced by what I read about them. Still have my unused Open Solaris disks from 2008.05 and my single CD of Red Hat Linux v.6 from 1999. :-) -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
On Tue, 2011-01-25 at 21:29 -0800, John R Pierce wrote: On 01/25/11 8:49 PM, Always Learning wrote: Cobol was the second language I leaned in 1967 from a hardware manufacturer's tutor who didn't have a clue. The first was Easycoder (an assembler type) which I loved. do you mean autocoder? that was the 'assembler' on the IBM 1400 series You're right about Autocoder being on IBM. I remember it mentioned a lot at the time. Easycoder was a Honeywell product and used on the H-200, H-120, H-125, H-1250 etc. In those days we had 'core' memory which really was magnetic cores with wires passing through the cores. A H-120 I worked on has a massive 32K of memory and it took 1 hour to do a Cobol compilation. -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Wed, 2011-01-26 at 13:29 +0800, Christopher Chan wrote: On Wednesday, January 26, 2011 12:41 PM, Barry Brimer wrote: My RHEL 6 machine (fully updated) has kernel 2.6.32-71.14.1. Alright, that's it, I want Centos 6 now! Me too. Yes please Mr Centos. -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Tue, 2011-01-25 at 14:49 -0500, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Benjamin Smith wrote: On my hard disk, I have my /home, /boot, and / directories each on their own partitions, and when I'm upgrading my Fedora, I just format / and /boot, and leave /home alone. Although I've transfered it a few times between hard Yep. ALWAYS have /home on its own partition. You *might* want /opt on its own, also. For more on my views on this, here's my copy of the article I had published a few years ago in SysAdmin (now defunct, unfortunately) http://24.5-cent.us/upgrading_linux.doc Thanks for the good advice. I wondered why the installer gave those choices. Now it makes sense. All my production data resides on /data and I tend to leave the standard directories alone but I did create a /root/bin and put in it simple commands like .l # /bin/bash ls -al .f # /bin/bash find / -iwholename *$1 .fs # /bin/bash find /data -iwholename *$1 find /ax -iwholename *$1 find /bx -iwholename *$1 find /cx -iwholename *$1 Obviously with the chmod +x. The last one makes searching times much faster when seeking non-operating system files. Because I'm lazy or perhaps because I firmly believe the computer should do the work for the people not vice versa, I did some links (ln -s) for service and some copies of ipt tables etc. so I can quickly type sv ipt status ipt -I . ipt -nvL Command lines are like what computers used to be like. You know with a fast but noisy Teletype banging-out text at 75 baud or a luxury terminal running at a staggeringly fast 300 baud giving a top speed of 30 characters a second. -- With best regards, Paul. England, EU. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Wednesday, January 26, 2011 01:37 PM, Always Learning wrote: On Wed, 2011-01-26 at 13:27 +0800, Christopher Chan wrote: Surely you mean stuff from the rising sun Illumos and OpenIndiana! Nope. Not convinced by what I read about them. Still have my unused Open Solaris disks from 2008.05 and my single CD of Red Hat Linux v.6 from 1999. :-) bsdmag.org Not that I would recommend OpenIndiana for a desktop (only because I do not like GNOME) but I think you will find that quite a lot of basic stuff can be done. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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Always Learning cen...@g7.u22.net wrote: Thanks for the good advice. I wondered why the installer gave those choices. Now it makes sense. All my production data resides on /data and I tend to leave the standard directories alone Paul, if you want a basic explanation of the rationale behind the Linux Filesystem Hierarchy Standard, you might enjoy this article from a course I wrote years ago - it's a little dated, but still applicable today. http://www.lesbell.com.au/Home.nsf/web/What+Goes+Where+on+a+Linux+System?OpenDocument Best, --- Les Bell [http://www.lesbell.com.au] Tel: +61 2 9451 1144 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
-Original Message- From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of m.r...@5-cent.us Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 7:00 PM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster About 5 years ago, I had to install a wireless card in my tower, and it's an ATH9xx, I *think* - I can check this evening, if that's relevant. I was running SuSE, and had to find drivers from madwifi. A few minutes of googling found... I second that, ie OpenSUSE. I've too had two laptops with incompatible wifi-hardware visavi CentOS. Ubuntu kinda' worked in that it found the wifi-hardware, but couldn't connect to my WPA2-AP at home in a stable manner. After having gone through a few other distros, I ventured into OpenSUSE 10 and later 11 and voilá, it both found the hardware and was able to connect to the WPA2-enabled AP, as well as having a stable connection. As good as CentOS is with respect to stability both as a server and as a desktop-solution, it shouldn't maybe be your first choice for a laptop. That's my experience and my five oere... -- /Sorin smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster
-Original Message- From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Brian Mathis Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 7:03 PM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] Recommendation for a Linux alternative to Centos - ATH9K disaster CentOS is great for servers, but absolutely not for a new person you're trying to get to try Linux. This approach actually hurts Linux since people think oh I tried Linux and it sucked. My 50+-year-old and technically very unsavvy mother manages CentOS just fine on her computer. The trick is to use the Redmond theme... -- /Sorin smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
