Re: [CentOS] HP vs. Brother Printers: Use with Centos/Fedora

2020-06-27 Thread John Pierce 
Re ink jets.   I have one, a Canon Pro wide carriage photo printer, that
uses like 8 colors and makes gorgeous full color prints.Its connected
to a Windows workstation.   Its the first inkjet I've had that can go
months of disuse, then fire up and print a glossy 11x17 or whatever right
the first time.

We use the networked Brother laser for 99%
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Re: [CentOS] HP vs. Brother Printers: Use with Centos/Fedora

2020-06-27 Thread Robert Heller 
At Sat, 27 Jun 2020 22:09:47 -0500 CentOS mailing list  
wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> On 6/27/20 5:26 PM, Ron Loftin wrote:
> > On Sat, 2020-06-27 at 18:17 -0400, Jay Hart wrote:
> >> We currently have a Brother MFC-5490CN. Printer firmware is dated
> >> June 1010. (yeah, 10 years old).  Few years ago the brother software
> >> wouldn't work for printing under Fedora.  No problem, can print under
> >> Windows 10.  Then it stopped scanning.  Could still 
> >> print...under
> >> Windows.
> >>
> >> Now, to fix the scanning features working I installed updated drivers
> >> under Windows, now it scans like champ, but won't print, at all.
> >>
> >> Time to go!!!
> > 
> > I'd say that 10 years is a decent run for a printer, depending on
> > usage.
> > 
> > If you want to stick with Brother, check out the Staples Web site and
> > look at the refurb page.  I've gotten some good deals there.
> >
> 
> I would recommend HP LaserJet printers. Have no experience with ink 
> printers. I would recommend to make sure that you get postscript 
> printer. Then you will be OK on Linux and UNIX (CUPS will be your friend).
> 
> I have no experience with low end printers. I was hesitant recently, and 
> could not throw away HP LaserJet 4050, which was purchased 18 years ago, 
> was getting really tough beating being used in the Department I support, 
> and still works.

HP *used* to make very good laser printers. *Maybe* they still do, at their
higher end, but they are just very expensive. For the most part HP's *inkjet*
printers are junk. Inkjet technology is a technology that seems to never
really delivered on the promise of low-cost, but good quality. They seem to be
cheaply made and can be terribly expensive in terms of consumables -- but in a
nickle and dime way -- eg a $20 cartridge only prints 100-200 pages or
something -- you end up being nickle and dimed to death... Part of what
happened is that laser printers have gotten cheaper, generally without losing
quality.  Laser printers only *seem* expensive (higher capital cost -- but 
tend to last longer) with more costly cartrides (but each cartridge prints 
several *thousand* pages, vs. ink carts only printing *hundreds* of pages).  
Once you look in terms of *years* of service and *thousands* of pages, laser 
printers are actually cheaper to buy and operate than inkjets.

The other *big* gotcha is printer language: laser printers are page oriented
devices -- they *must* buffer a whole page at a time -- so often laser
printers speak some flavor of PostScript (they might as well, since PostScript
is also page oriented) -- this makes them almost always Linux / UNIX friendly
devices. Inkjet printers are line oriented and generally only buffer a "line".
Inkjet printers almost never speak PostScript, but instead use a whole pile of
"languages". And *some* are "winprinters" which use some arcane protocol /
language that only works properly under MS-Windows.

> 
> Valeri
> 
> >>
> >> Hence my question...
> >>
> >> Jay
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Our office has had a Brother MFC-8510DN for at least five years -
> >>> no issues.  As has been said below, you do have to download and
> >>> install
> >>> the driver but the process hasn't been problematic.  Having said
> >>> that, I haven't pushed the limit on it's capabilities, just done
> >>> rather
> >>> plain printing.
> >>>
> >>> 
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Re: [CentOS] HP vs. Brother Printers: Use with Centos/Fedora

2020-06-27 Thread Mark LaPierre 

On 6/27/20 5:33 PM, Jay Hart wrote:

If you had to rate which printer brand works better with Linux (Fedora and 
Centos), what would it be?

TIA,

Jay



I have an HP Laser Jet Pro M402n connected on my network.  I used to 
work just fine from CentOS 6 but recently no joy.  Something broke and 
I'm not fixing it because CentOS 6 will be EOL soon and I'm in the 
process changing over all my systems to CentOS 8.


From CentOS 8 there's no issues as far a plain paper printing is concerned.

When I comes to printing on envelopes I just this evening won a battle 
with the printer when printing on #6 3/4 envelopes.  I resolved the 
problem by setting the printer to print on C5 envelopes, and LibreOffice 
Writer to use the same C5 envelope.  The C5 envelope is considerably 
larger that the #6 3/4 envelope.  With some tweeking of the location of 
the address on the document in LibreOffice Writer I got it to print the 
address on the #6 3/4 envelope in the right place.


The M402n does not support the #6 3/4 envelope directly.  You have to 
fiddle with it.  If you have to print on envelopes make sure that the 
printer you buy supports the envelope you want to print on unless you 
like fiddling.  Me, I'm a tuba player, not a fiddle player. YMMV


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Re: [CentOS] HP vs. Brother Printers: Use with Centos/Fedora

2020-06-27 Thread Valeri Galtsev 



On 6/27/20 5:26 PM, Ron Loftin wrote:

On Sat, 2020-06-27 at 18:17 -0400, Jay Hart wrote:

We currently have a Brother MFC-5490CN. Printer firmware is dated
June 1010. (yeah, 10 years old).  Few years ago the brother software
wouldn't work for printing under Fedora.  No problem, can print under
Windows 10.  Then it stopped scanning.  Could still print...under
Windows.

Now, to fix the scanning features working I installed updated drivers
under Windows, now it scans like champ, but won't print, at all.

Time to go!!!


I'd say that 10 years is a decent run for a printer, depending on
usage.

If you want to stick with Brother, check out the Staples Web site and
look at the refurb page.  I've gotten some good deals there.



I would recommend HP LaserJet printers. Have no experience with ink 
printers. I would recommend to make sure that you get postscript 
printer. Then you will be OK on Linux and UNIX (CUPS will be your friend).


I have no experience with low end printers. I was hesitant recently, and 
could not throw away HP LaserJet 4050, which was purchased 18 years ago, 
was getting really tough beating being used in the Department I support, 
and still works.


Valeri



Hence my question...

Jay



Our office has had a Brother MFC-8510DN for at least five years -
no issues.  As has been said below, you do have to download and
install
the driver but the process hasn't been problematic.  Having said
that, I haven't pushed the limit on it's capabilities, just done
rather
plain printing.


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On Sat, 2020-06-27 at 15:44 -0600, Frank Cox wrote:


On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 17:33:39 -0400
Jay Hart wrote:




If you had to rate which printer brand works better with Linux
(Fedora and
Centos), what would it be?

Any Brother printer that I've ever had the misfortune to have to
deal
with either didn't work at all or if could be made to work, it
didn't
work for long.

If it's a Brother, run away as fast as you can.  They're the
cheapest
crappiest thing you can possibly imagine.

My wife makes quilts and says the same thing about Brother sewing
machines.


I can't speak to the sewing machines, but I have to say that I've
had
very good luck with Brother printers.  However, we have to be
honest
and acknowledge that I'm talking about LASER printers, not the
$%^&*
inkjet silliness.

In my DEFINITELY not-so-humble opinion, the "run away as fast as
you
can" advice applies to ALL inkjets that are intended for home use.

The only real differences I'm aware of between Brother and HP LASER
printers are price, and the fact that the HP drivers are usually
included in the distribution by default, and you have to download
and
install the Brother drivers.  I'm sitting next to a Brother MFC L-
2750DW that is a year or so old, and it does everything I need it
to.

As always, YMMV.

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Re: [CentOS] HP vs. Brother Printers: Use with Centos/Fedora

2020-06-27 Thread Peter 

On 28/06/20 9:33 am, Jay Hart wrote:

If you had to rate which printer brand works better with Linux (Fedora and 
Centos), what would it be?


I'm currently on a Brother MFC-J4620DW and I recommend it 
wholeheartedly.  Others here have recommended brother for laser printing 
but I also think they're great ink jet printers.  Because you're not 
replacing the print head every time you replace the ink cartridge it 
cuts back on ink cost considerably and I have had no problems using 
3rd-party ink cartridges with it which really bring the cost down big 
time.  You can order sets of 3rd-party cartidges online for next to 
nothing, and I can count on two fingers the number of times I've 
received a dud cartridge.


I wouldn't touch an HP with a ten foot pole, though.


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Re: [CentOS] HP vs. Brother Printers: Use with Centos/Fedora

2020-06-27 Thread Fred Smith 
On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 03:44:00PM -0600, Frank Cox wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 17:33:39 -0400
> Jay Hart wrote:
> 
> > If you had to rate which printer brand works better with Linux (Fedora and
> > Centos), what would it be?
> 
> Any Brother printer that I've ever had the misfortune to have to deal with 
> either didn't work at all or if could be made to work, it didn't work for 
> long.
> 
> If it's a Brother, run away as fast as you can.  They're the cheapest 
> crappiest thing you can possibly imagine.
> 
> My wife makes quilts and says the same thing about Brother sewing machines.

Sewing machines, I know nothing, not Brother machines anyway.

We've had a few different Brother laser printers here (at home) and
they've been great.

The first one, a HL2070N, when first connected (via USB at that time)
caused a popup window (On Centos, probably 5.x) saying brother printer
found, do I want to configure it now? I did, and it just worked.

Newer ones may require Brother's drivers, but they exist and work.

My newer HL-L2360D also works with one of the default CUPS drivers
on C7, though I forget which one. Discovered this only after using
the Brother drivers for a year or two.

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Re: [CentOS] HP vs. Brother Printers: Use with Centos/Fedora

2020-06-27 Thread Rob Kampen 

On 28/06/20 9:44 am, Frank Cox wrote:

On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 17:33:39 -0400
Jay Hart wrote:


If you had to rate which printer brand works better with Linux (Fedora and
Centos), what would it be?

Any Brother printer that I've ever had the misfortune to have to deal with 
either didn't work at all or if could be made to work, it didn't work for long.

If it's a Brother, run away as fast as you can.  They're the cheapest crappiest 
thing you can possibly imagine.

My wife makes quilts and says the same thing about Brother sewing machines.

Cannot comment on sewing machines, however I always head to brother for 
laser printers. I don't do inkjet ever, as the cost per page doesn't fit 
my use case and dried out ink cartridges drive me nuts.


Great thing about brother is they really support linux! yes you do need 
to visit their web site but they offer drivers and they seem to provide 
access to all the printer's features.


Only gotcha I've had is trying to use alternative toner cartridges - 
that really didn't go well at all, got brother product and it was good 
as new - go figure.


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Re: [CentOS] HP vs. Brother Printers: Use with Centos/Fedora

2020-06-27 Thread Ron Loftin 
On Sat, 2020-06-27 at 18:17 -0400, Jay Hart wrote:
> We currently have a Brother MFC-5490CN. Printer firmware is dated
> June 1010. (yeah, 10 years old).  Few years ago the brother software
> wouldn't work for printing under Fedora.  No problem, can print under
> Windows 10.  Then it stopped scanning.  Could still print...under
> Windows.
> 
> Now, to fix the scanning features working I installed updated drivers
> under Windows, now it scans like champ, but won't print, at all.
> 
> Time to go!!!

I'd say that 10 years is a decent run for a printer, depending on
usage.

If you want to stick with Brother, check out the Staples Web site and
look at the refurb page.  I've gotten some good deals there.

> 
> Hence my question...
> 
> Jay
> 
> > 
> > Our office has had a Brother MFC-8510DN for at least five years -
> > no issues.  As has been said below, you do have to download and
> > install
> > the driver but the process hasn't been problematic.  Having said
> > that, I haven't pushed the limit on it's capabilities, just done
> > rather
> > plain printing.
> > 
> > 
> > From: CentOS  on behalf of Ron Loftin  > elof...@twcny.rr.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 5:02 PM
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> > On Sat, 2020-06-27 at 15:44 -0600, Frank Cox wrote:
> > > 
> > > On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 17:33:39 -0400
> > > Jay Hart wrote:
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > If you had to rate which printer brand works better with Linux
> > > > (Fedora and
> > > > Centos), what would it be?
> > > Any Brother printer that I've ever had the misfortune to have to
> > > deal
> > > with either didn't work at all or if could be made to work, it
> > > didn't
> > > work for long.
> > > 
> > > If it's a Brother, run away as fast as you can.  They're the
> > > cheapest
> > > crappiest thing you can possibly imagine.
> > > 
> > > My wife makes quilts and says the same thing about Brother sewing
> > > machines.
> > > 
> > I can't speak to the sewing machines, but I have to say that I've
> > had
> > very good luck with Brother printers.  However, we have to be
> > honest
> > and acknowledge that I'm talking about LASER printers, not the
> > $%^&*
> > inkjet silliness.
> > 
> > In my DEFINITELY not-so-humble opinion, the "run away as fast as
> > you
> > can" advice applies to ALL inkjets that are intended for home use.
> > 
> > The only real differences I'm aware of between Brother and HP LASER
> > printers are price, and the fact that the HP drivers are usually
> > included in the distribution by default, and you have to download
> > and
> > install the Brother drivers.  I'm sitting next to a Brother MFC L-
> > 2750DW that is a year or so old, and it does everything I need it
> > to.
> > 
> > As always, YMMV.
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Re: [CentOS] HP vs. Brother Printers: Use with Centos/Fedora

2020-06-27 Thread Jay Hart 
We currently have a Brother MFC-5490CN. Printer firmware is dated June 1010. 
(yeah, 10 years old).  Few years ago the brother software
wouldn't work for printing under Fedora.  No problem, can print under Windows 
10.  Then it stopped scanning.  Could still print...under
Windows.

Now, to fix the scanning features working I installed updated drivers under 
Windows, now it scans like champ, but won't print, at all.

Time to go!!!

Hence my question...

Jay

> Our office has had a Brother MFC-8510DN for at least five years - no issues.  
> As has been said below, you do have to download and install
> the driver but the process hasn't been problematic.  Having said that, I 
> haven't pushed the limit on it's capabilities, just done rather
> plain printing.
>
> 
> From: CentOS  on behalf of Ron Loftin 
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> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 5:02 PM
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> On Sat, 2020-06-27 at 15:44 -0600, Frank Cox wrote:
>> On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 17:33:39 -0400
>> Jay Hart wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > If you had to rate which printer brand works better with Linux
>> > (Fedora and
>> > Centos), what would it be?
>> Any Brother printer that I've ever had the misfortune to have to deal
>> with either didn't work at all or if could be made to work, it didn't
>> work for long.
>>
>> If it's a Brother, run away as fast as you can.  They're the cheapest
>> crappiest thing you can possibly imagine.
>>
>> My wife makes quilts and says the same thing about Brother sewing
>> machines.
>>
>
> I can't speak to the sewing machines, but I have to say that I've had
> very good luck with Brother printers.  However, we have to be honest
> and acknowledge that I'm talking about LASER printers, not the $%^&*
> inkjet silliness.
>
> In my DEFINITELY not-so-humble opinion, the "run away as fast as you
> can" advice applies to ALL inkjets that are intended for home use.
>
> The only real differences I'm aware of between Brother and HP LASER
> printers are price, and the fact that the HP drivers are usually
> included in the distribution by default, and you have to download and
> install the Brother drivers.  I'm sitting next to a Brother MFC L-
> 2750DW that is a year or so old, and it does everything I need it to.
>
> As always, YMMV.
>
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Re: [CentOS] HP vs. Brother Printers: Use with Centos/Fedora

2020-06-27 Thread Leroy Tennison 
Our office has had a Brother MFC-8510DN for at least five years - no issues.  
As has been said below, you do have to download and install the driver but the 
process hasn't been problematic.  Having said that, I haven't pushed the limit 
on it's capabilities, just done rather plain printing.


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On Sat, 2020-06-27 at 15:44 -0600, Frank Cox wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 17:33:39 -0400
> Jay Hart wrote:
>
> >
> > If you had to rate which printer brand works better with Linux
> > (Fedora and
> > Centos), what would it be?
> Any Brother printer that I've ever had the misfortune to have to deal
> with either didn't work at all or if could be made to work, it didn't
> work for long.
>
> If it's a Brother, run away as fast as you can.  They're the cheapest
> crappiest thing you can possibly imagine.
>
> My wife makes quilts and says the same thing about Brother sewing
> machines.
>

I can't speak to the sewing machines, but I have to say that I've had
very good luck with Brother printers.  However, we have to be honest
and acknowledge that I'm talking about LASER printers, not the $%^&*
inkjet silliness.

In my DEFINITELY not-so-humble opinion, the "run away as fast as you
can" advice applies to ALL inkjets that are intended for home use.

The only real differences I'm aware of between Brother and HP LASER
printers are price, and the fact that the HP drivers are usually
included in the distribution by default, and you have to download and
install the Brother drivers.  I'm sitting next to a Brother MFC L-
2750DW that is a year or so old, and it does everything I need it to.

As always, YMMV.

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Re: [CentOS] HP vs. Brother Printers: Use with Centos/Fedora

2020-06-27 Thread Ron Loftin 
On Sat, 2020-06-27 at 15:44 -0600, Frank Cox wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 17:33:39 -0400
> Jay Hart wrote:
> 
> > 
> > If you had to rate which printer brand works better with Linux
> > (Fedora and
> > Centos), what would it be?
> Any Brother printer that I've ever had the misfortune to have to deal
> with either didn't work at all or if could be made to work, it didn't
> work for long.
> 
> If it's a Brother, run away as fast as you can.  They're the cheapest
> crappiest thing you can possibly imagine.
> 
> My wife makes quilts and says the same thing about Brother sewing
> machines.
> 

I can't speak to the sewing machines, but I have to say that I've had
very good luck with Brother printers.  However, we have to be honest
and acknowledge that I'm talking about LASER printers, not the $%^&*
inkjet silliness.

In my DEFINITELY not-so-humble opinion, the "run away as fast as you
can" advice applies to ALL inkjets that are intended for home use.

The only real differences I'm aware of between Brother and HP LASER
printers are price, and the fact that the HP drivers are usually
included in the distribution by default, and you have to download and
install the Brother drivers.  I'm sitting next to a Brother MFC L-
2750DW that is a year or so old, and it does everything I need it to.

As always, YMMV.

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Re: [CentOS] HP vs. Brother Printers: Use with Centos/Fedora

2020-06-27 Thread J Martin Rushton via CentOS 
I've been running an HP MFP281 for a year or two now and it functions 
well.  There are some downsides though to be aware of:


* HPLIP doesn't support all HP printers, and not as quickly as you might 
wish, so be prepared to find the nearest model for CUPS.


* HP have sharp practice over toner cartridges.  To be clear, software 
updates will invalidate full third party cartridges which end up on the 
skip.  The phrase "sod the customer" comes to mind.


On the plus side, quality is good.  Colour is fine and the resolution of 
the scanner is good.  The paper feed mechanisms both for printing and 
for scanning are fine.


HTH,
Martin

On 27/06/2020 22:49, Jay Hart wrote:

Centos 8, I should specify...

Jay


If you had to rate which printer brand works better with Linux (Fedora and 
Centos), what would it be?

TIA,

Jay



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Re: [CentOS] HP vs. Brother Printers: Use with Centos/Fedora

2020-06-27 Thread John Pierce 
On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 2:44 PM Frank Cox  wrote:

>
> Any Brother printer that I've ever had the misfortune to have to deal with
> either didn't work at all or if could be made to work, it didn't work for
> long.
>
> If it's a Brother, run away as fast as you can.  They're the cheapest
> crappiest thing you can possibly imagine.
>

odd, I've had very good luck with Brother B laser printers.   Supplies
are far cheaper than HP or whatever, my MFC-8810DW sits on my LAN (via
ethernet although it has wifi too) and lets everything in the house print
to it, and it can scan to a SMB file server without needing any special
software, just push a few buttons on the printer, it scans either flatbed
or sheet fed (single or double sided) and a PDF appears on the file share a
few seconds later.Brother supports both LPR and CUPS.


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Re: [CentOS] HP vs. Brother Printers: Use with Centos/Fedora

2020-06-27 Thread Jay Hart 
Centos 8, I should specify...

Jay

> If you had to rate which printer brand works better with Linux (Fedora and 
> Centos), what would it be?
>
> TIA,
>
> Jay
>
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Re: [CentOS] HP vs. Brother Printers: Use with Centos/Fedora

2020-06-27 Thread Frank Cox 
On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 17:33:39 -0400
Jay Hart wrote:

> If you had to rate which printer brand works better with Linux (Fedora and
> Centos), what would it be?

Any Brother printer that I've ever had the misfortune to have to deal with 
either didn't work at all or if could be made to work, it didn't work for long.

If it's a Brother, run away as fast as you can.  They're the cheapest crappiest 
thing you can possibly imagine.

My wife makes quilts and says the same thing about Brother sewing machines.

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[CentOS] HP vs. Brother Printers: Use with Centos/Fedora

2020-06-27 Thread Jay Hart 
If you had to rate which printer brand works better with Linux (Fedora and 
Centos), what would it be?

TIA,

Jay

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[CentOS-docs] [centos/centos.org] branch master updated (de83a23 -> d65a894)

2020-06-27 Thread git 
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from de83a23  Merge #40 `Update table presentation on downloads`
 add 81e3d78  Merge branch 'master' of 
ssh://git.centos.org/centos/centos.org
 add 48a8025  Update downloads table using DataTables
 add f805008  Merge branch 'master' of 
ssh://git.centos.org/centos/centos.org
 add d65a894  Remove arrow images no longer used

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 _layouts/default.html  |   2 +-
 _layouts/page-download-mirror.html |  17 +++--
 assets/css/styles.min.css  |   2 +-
 assets/img/arrow_asc.gif   | Bin 110 -> 0 bytes
 assets/img/arrow_desc.gif  | Bin 109 -> 0 bytes
 assets/img/search-solid.png| Bin 942 -> 0 bytes
 assets/js/script.min.js|   2 +-
 download/aws-images.md |  14 ++
 download/mirrors-altarch.md|  12 ++--
 download/mirrors.md|  12 ++--
 10 files changed, 48 insertions(+), 13 deletions(-)
 delete mode 100644 assets/img/arrow_asc.gif
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[CentOS] C7, mdadm generating selinux warnings

2020-06-27 Thread Fred Smith 
Hi!

I'm getting these frequently. several times I've done the steps listed
there to suppress the messages, but I keep getting them.

Anyone got a good idea how to deal with this?

Thanks in advance!



SELinux is preventing mdadm from 'read, open' accesses on the file 
/var/log/rear/rear-fcshome.log.lockless.

*  Plugin restorecon (99.5 confidence) suggests   

If you want to fix the label. 
/var/log/rear/rear-fcshome.log.lockless default label should be var_log_t.
Then you can run restorecon. The access attempt may have been stopped due to 
insufficient permissions to access a parent directory in which case try to 
change the following command accordingly.
Do
# /sbin/restorecon -v /var/log/rear/rear-fcshome.log.lockless

*  Plugin catchall (1.49 confidence) suggests   **

If you believe that mdadm should be allowed read open access on the 
rear-fcshome.log.lockless file by default.
Then you should report this as a bug.
You can generate a local policy module to allow this access.
Do
allow this access for now by executing:
# ausearch -c 'mdadm' --raw | audit2allow -M my-mdadm
# semodule -i my-mdadm.pp

Additional Information:
Source Contextsystem_u:system_r:mdadm_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023
Target Contextsystem_u:object_r:cron_log_t:s0

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[CentOS-docs] [centos/centos.org] 01/01: Merge #40 `Update table presentation on downloads`

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commit de83a23bda4faf788398224c6ddd61d1399db778
Merge: 6b2fdf0 5e29e58
Author: Fabian Arrotin 
AuthorDate: Sat Jun 27 18:41:28 2020 +

Merge #40 `Update table presentation on downloads`

 assets/css/styles.min.css   |  2 +-
 download/aws-images.md  | 20 ++--
 download/mirrors-altarch.md | 14 +++---
 download/mirrors.md | 14 +++---
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[CentOS-docs] [centos/centos.org] branch master updated (6b2fdf0 -> de83a23)

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[CentOS-docs] [centos/centos.org] branch master updated: Updated page for AWS AMI images ID and link

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commit 34ad21c7bdf8b4190fed5ab9facc149199598da2
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Updated page for AWS AMI images ID and link

Signed-off-by: Fabian Arrotin 
---
 _data/aws-images.csv | 129 ++-
 download.md  |  14 +++-
 download/{cloud.md => aws-images.md} |  15 +++-
 3 files changed, 104 insertions(+), 54 deletions(-)

diff --git a/_data/aws-images.csv b/_data/aws-images.csv
index cadcdc0..4d6c7a9 100644
--- a/_data/aws-images.csv
+++ b/_data/aws-images.csv
@@ -1,50 +1,81 @@
 "Version","Region","Architecture","AMI ID","Deploy link"
-"CentOS 
8","us-east-1","x86_64","ami-01ca03df4a6012157","https://console.aws.amazon.com/ec2/v2/home?region=us-east-1#LaunchInstanceWizard:ami=ami-01ca03df4a6012157;
-"CentOS 
8","us-east-1","x86_64","ami-01ca03df4a6012157","https://console.aws.amazon.com/ec2/v2/home?region=us-east-1#LaunchInstanceWizard:ami=ami-01ca03df4a6012157;
-"CentOS 
8","us-east-1","x86_64","ami-01ca03df4a6012157","https://console.aws.amazon.com/ec2/v2/home?region=us-east-1#LaunchInstanceWizard:ami=ami-01ca03df4a6012157;
-"CentOS 
8","us-east-1","x86_64","ami-01ca03df4a6012157","https://console.aws.amazon.com/ec2/v2/home?region=us-east-1#LaunchInstanceWizard:ami=ami-01ca03df4a6012157;
-"CentOS 
8","us-east-1","x86_64","ami-01ca03df4a6012157","https://console.aws.amazon.com/ec2/v2/home?region=us-east-1#LaunchInstanceWizard:ami=ami-01ca03df4a6012157;
-"CentOS 
8","us-east-1","x86_64","ami-01ca03df4a6012157","https://console.aws.amazon.com/ec2/v2/home?region=us-east-1#LaunchInstanceWizard:ami=ami-01ca03df4a6012157;
-"CentOS 
8","us-east-1","x86_64","ami-01ca03df4a6012157","https://console.aws.amazon.com/ec2/v2/home?region=us-east-1#LaunchInstanceWizard:ami=ami-01ca03df4a6012157;
-"CentOS 
8","us-east-1","x86_64","ami-01ca03df4a6012157","https://console.aws.amazon.com/ec2/v2/home?region=us-east-1#LaunchInstanceWizard:ami=ami-01ca03df4a6012157;
-"CentOS 
8","us-east-1","x86_64","ami-01ca03df4a6012157","https://console.aws.amazon.com/ec2/v2/home?region=us-east-1#LaunchInstanceWizard:ami=ami-01ca03df4a6012157;
-"CentOS 
8","us-east-1","x86_64","ami-01ca03df4a6012157","https://console.aws.amazon.com/ec2/v2/home?region=us-east-1#LaunchInstanceWizard:ami=ami-01ca03df4a6012157;
-"CentOS 
8","us-east-1","x86_64","ami-01ca03df4a6012157","https://console.aws.amazon.com/ec2/v2/home?region=us-east-1#LaunchInstanceWizard:ami=ami-01ca03df4a6012157;
-"CentOS 
8","us-east-1","x86_64","ami-01ca03df4a6012157","https://console.aws.amazon.com/ec2/v2/home?region=us-east-1#LaunchInstanceWizard:ami=ami-01ca03df4a6012157;
-"CentOS 
8","us-east-1","x86_64","ami-01ca03df4a6012157","https://console.aws.amazon.com/ec2/v2/home?region=us-east-1#LaunchInstanceWizard:ami=ami-01ca03df4a6012157;
-"CentOS 
8","us-east-1","x86_64","ami-01ca03df4a6012157","https://console.aws.amazon.com/ec2/v2/home?region=us-east-1#LaunchInstanceWizard:ami=ami-01ca03df4a6012157;
-"CentOS 
8","us-east-1","x86_64","ami-01ca03df4a6012157","https://console.aws.amazon.com/ec2/v2/home?region=us-east-1#LaunchInstanceWizard:ami=ami-01ca03df4a6012157;
-"CentOS 
8","us-east-1","x86_64","ami-01ca03df4a6012157","https://console.aws.amazon.com/ec2/v2/home?region=us-east-1#LaunchInstanceWizard:ami=ami-01ca03df4a6012157;
-"CentOS 
8","us-east-1","x86_64","ami-01ca03df4a6012157","https://console.aws.amazon.com/ec2/v2/home?region=us-east-1#LaunchInstanceWizard:ami=ami-01ca03df4a6012157;
-"CentOS 
8","us-east-1","x86_64","ami-01ca03df4a6012157","https://console.aws.amazon.com/ec2/v2/home?region=us-east-1#LaunchInstanceWizard:ami=ami-01ca03df4a6012157;
-"CentOS 
8","us-east-1","x86_64","ami-01ca03df4a6012157","https://console.aws.amazon.com/ec2/v2/home?region=us-east-1#LaunchInstanceWizard:ami=ami-01ca03df4a6012157;
-"CentOS 
8","us-east-1","x86_64","ami-01ca03df4a6012157","https://console.aws.amazon.com/ec2/v2/home?region=us-east-1#LaunchInstanceWizard:ami=ami-01ca03df4a6012157;
-"CentOS 
8","us-east-1","x86_64","ami-01ca03df4a6012157","https://console.aws.amazon.com/ec2/v2/home?region=us-east-1#LaunchInstanceWizard:ami=ami-01ca03df4a6012157;
-"CentOS 
8","us-east-1","x86_64","ami-01ca03df4a6012157","https://console.aws.amazon.com/ec2/v2/home?region=us-east-1#LaunchInstanceWizard:ami=ami-01ca03df4a6012157;
-"CentOS 
8","us-east-1","x86_64","ami-01ca03df4a6012157","https://console.aws.amazon.com/ec2/v2/home?region=us-east-1#LaunchInstanceWizard:ami=ami-01ca03df4a6012157;
-"CentOS 
8","us-east-1","x86_64","ami-01ca03df4a6012157","https://console.aws.amazon.com/ec2/v2/home?region=us-east-1#LaunchInstanceWizard:ami=ami-01ca03df4a6012157;
-"CentOS