Re: [CentOS] Are linux distros redundant?
technicaly SL is shutting down but in reality they are just merging with centos effort wise. this is not a bad thing as there was duplication of effort being that the outcome was so similar. so in effect the rhel based platform just got more focused. regards peter On 28 April 2019 16:07:18 "Eddie O'Connor" wrote: I know this much, Scientific Linux shutting down?is a definite sign! (And I've loved SL from my first foray into Linixin 2002!) sad to see my "personal favorite" as a server OS going away . I mean ...I guess I should be happy that CEntOS is still here...(for now?) but what if "Big Blue" decides to swallow up "Code Red"?...wonder where that would leave me in my search for a server OS replacement? ( HmmDebian Stable is starting to look a bit more inviting now!LoL!) EGO II On Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 12:22 PM John R. Dennison wrote: On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 10:18:40AM -0400, mark wrote: > > Nope. Well... actually, my manager's talking about Ubuntu or maybe even > FreeBSD. He's *extremely* upset with RH being so slow - 8 should have been > out for some time, for one, and a lot of 7, even with SCL, is far behind, It should have been? Says who? John -- You may know how little God thinks of money by observing on what bad and contemptible characters he often bestows it. -- Thomas Guthrie (1803-1873), Scottish divine and philanthropist, Man and the Gospel (1865) ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos Sent with AquaMail for Android https://www.mobisystems.com/aqua-mail ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Are linux distros redundant?
I know this much, Scientific Linux shutting down?is a definite sign! (And I've loved SL from my first foray into Linixin 2002!) sad to see my "personal favorite" as a server OS going away . I mean ...I guess I should be happy that CEntOS is still here...(for now?) but what if "Big Blue" decides to swallow up "Code Red"?...wonder where that would leave me in my search for a server OS replacement? ( HmmDebian Stable is starting to look a bit more inviting now!LoL!) EGO II On Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 12:22 PM John R. Dennison wrote: > On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 10:18:40AM -0400, mark wrote: > > > > Nope. Well... actually, my manager's talking about Ubuntu or maybe even > > FreeBSD. He's *extremely* upset with RH being so slow - 8 should have > been > > out for some time, for one, and a lot of 7, even with SCL, is far behind, > > > It should have been? Says who? > > > > > > > John > -- > You may know how little God thinks of money by observing on what bad and > contemptible characters he often bestows it. > > -- Thomas Guthrie (1803-1873), Scottish divine and philanthropist, >Man and the Gospel (1865) > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Are linux distros redundant?
> James B. Byrne via CentOS wrote: >> On Wed, April 24, 2019 11:14, Simon Matter wrote: >>> >>> I'm afraid too many clouds make the wider horizon invisible :-) >> >> At that point it is called fog. > > But, don'tcha know, the only way to clear the fog is to send lots of money > to them Well, of course, because they still run it on hardware servers with CPUs, storage devices, networking, cooling, whatever. That's so yesterday, the future is Serverless Computing... a bit like brainless thinking :-) ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Are linux distros redundant?
James B. Byrne via CentOS wrote: > On Wed, April 24, 2019 11:14, Simon Matter wrote: >> >> I'm afraid too many clouds make the wider horizon invisible :-) > > At that point it is called fog. But, don'tcha know, the only way to clear the fog is to send lots of money to them mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Are linux distros redundant?
On Wed, April 24, 2019 11:14, Simon Matter wrote: > > I'm afraid too many clouds make the wider horizon invisible :-) > At that point it is called fog. -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrnemailto:byrn...@harte-lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Are linux distros redundant?
On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 07:35:53AM -0400, mark wrote: > On 04/25/19 04:36, Gary Stainburn wrote: > > On Wednesday 24 April 2019 17:22:13 John R. Dennison wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 10:18:40AM -0400, mark wrote: > > > > Nope. Well... actually, my manager's talking about Ubuntu or maybe even > > > > FreeBSD. He's *extremely* upset with RH being so slow - 8 should have > > > > been out for some time, for one, and a lot of 7, even with SCL, is far > > > > behind, > > > > > > It should have been? Says who? > > > > I may only be guessing, but maybe he was referring to the age of C7. There > > is > > no doubt that C7 is now VERY old software wise. I've just gone through > > building a new web server, and have had to use a lot of external > > repositories > > in order to pull in even reasonably new Postgresql / Apache / PHP etc. > > Got it in one - that's exactly why he thinks it should have been out before. Perhaps you've never seen the Software Collections repositories? https://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/Repositories/SCL For what its worth, RHEL8 (and subsequently, CentOS8) will have Application Streams, which will be somewhat like SCLs, except they'll be more core to the OS. That'll let you update software like python, perl, apache httpd, etc. without interferring with the OS. https://developers.redhat.com/blog/2018/11/15/rhel8-introducing-appstreams/ -- Jonathan Billings ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Are linux distros redundant?
On 04/25/19 04:36, Gary Stainburn wrote: On Wednesday 24 April 2019 17:22:13 John R. Dennison wrote: On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 10:18:40AM -0400, mark wrote: Nope. Well... actually, my manager's talking about Ubuntu or maybe even FreeBSD. He's *extremely* upset with RH being so slow - 8 should have been out for some time, for one, and a lot of 7, even with SCL, is far behind, It should have been? Says who? I may only be guessing, but maybe he was referring to the age of C7. There is no doubt that C7 is now VERY old software wise. I've just gone through building a new web server, and have had to use a lot of external repositories in order to pull in even reasonably new Postgresql / Apache / PHP etc. Got it in one - that's exactly why he thinks it should have been out before. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Are linux distros redundant?
On Wednesday 24 April 2019 17:22:13 John R. Dennison wrote: > On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 10:18:40AM -0400, mark wrote: > > Nope. Well... actually, my manager's talking about Ubuntu or maybe even > > FreeBSD. He's *extremely* upset with RH being so slow - 8 should have > > been out for some time, for one, and a lot of 7, even with SCL, is far > > behind, > > It should have been? Says who? I may only be guessing, but maybe he was referring to the age of C7. There is no doubt that C7 is now VERY old software wise. I've just gone through building a new web server, and have had to use a lot of external repositories in order to pull in even reasonably new Postgresql / Apache / PHP etc. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Are linux distros redundant?
On Wednesday, April 24, 2019 11:25:00 AM PDT Andrew Holway wrote: > > Btw, right now, we've just built a new server as Ubuntu, because my > > manager wants to use it to test zfs, including its ability to a) act as a > > RAID, directly, without an underlying RAID, and b) encrypt the whole thing > > natively. > > ZFS on linux was originally an EL project. Ubuntu support came later. I've been running ZoL on CentOS for years. Wonderful stuff. SysAdmin's dream, although we keep all ZoL boxes off any public access and update on a carefully tested schedule to ensure that no RPM version weirdness happens. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Are linux distros redundant?
At Wed, 24 Apr 2019 12:02:54 -0700 CentOS mailing list wrote: > > Kubernetes isn't really a general-purpose UNIX operating system and so > the question seems like it's comparing apples with oranges, at least, > unless you're doing a very narrow and specific thing with certain > automation and scalability requirements. > > I don't think the fundamental raison d'être for a UNIX workstation or > server operating environment has changed in four decades, even if there > are also specialized grids for scalable application or HPC operations. I have a "UNIX workstation" on my workbench. It is a Raspberry Pi (an older Model 2B). It is (at this time) my main circuit board CAD box. Also my main build box for: ARM (embeded) Linux (Raspberry Pi and Beagle Boards) and things like ESP32, ARM, and AVR microcontrollers (eg Arduino IDE). And I access it remotely with my laptop, running CentOS. > > Cheers, > Ben > > On 4/24/19 5:42 AM, Andrew Holway wrote: > > I just realised that I haven't touched a centos/redhat machine in more than > > a couple of years. Everything I do now is Kubernetes based or using cloud > > services (or k8s cloud services). > > > > What about it listeroons? Is your fleet of centos boxes ever expanding or > > are you just taking care of a single java 6 jboss application that takes > > care of the companies widget stocks? > > > > How are your jobs changing? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Andrew > > ___ > > CentOS mailing list > > CentOS@centos.org > > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > > > -- Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933 Deepwoods Software-- Custom Software Services http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services hel...@deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Are linux distros redundant?
Kubernetes isn't really a general-purpose UNIX operating system and so the question seems like it's comparing apples with oranges, at least, unless you're doing a very narrow and specific thing with certain automation and scalability requirements. I don't think the fundamental raison d'être for a UNIX workstation or server operating environment has changed in four decades, even if there are also specialized grids for scalable application or HPC operations. Cheers, Ben On 4/24/19 5:42 AM, Andrew Holway wrote: I just realised that I haven't touched a centos/redhat machine in more than a couple of years. Everything I do now is Kubernetes based or using cloud services (or k8s cloud services). What about it listeroons? Is your fleet of centos boxes ever expanding or are you just taking care of a single java 6 jboss application that takes care of the companies widget stocks? How are your jobs changing? Cheers, Andrew ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- Benjamin Hauger SysAdmin/CSDC-DMO Rm. 94 x8371 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Are linux distros redundant?
On 4/24/19 5:42 AM, Andrew Holway wrote: I just realised that I haven't touched a centos/redhat machine in more than a couple of years. I think that's a very narrow view of what Red Hat does. They're not just writing rpm spec files and building somone else's code. Red Hat is the largest contributor to most of the core GNU/Linux software stack. If you use GNU/Linux, then you're using Red Hat's work. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Are linux distros redundant?
> > Btw, right now, we've just built a new server as Ubuntu, because my > manager wants to use it to test zfs, including its ability to a) act as a > RAID, directly, without an underlying RAID, and b) encrypt the whole thing > natively. > ZFS on linux was originally an EL project. Ubuntu support came later. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Are linux distros redundant?
Simon Matter via CentOS wrote: >> Andrew Holway wrote: >> >>> I just realised that I haven't touched a centos/redhat machine in >>> more than a couple of years. Everything I do now is Kubernetes based >>> or using cloud services (or k8s cloud services). >>> >>> What about it listeroons? Is your fleet of centos boxes ever >>> expanding or are you just taking care of a single java 6 jboss >>> application that takes care of the companies widget stocks? >>> >>> How are your jobs changing? >>> >> >> Nope. Well... actually, my manager's talking about Ubuntu or maybe even >> FreeBSD. He's *extremely* upset with RH being so slow - 8 should have >> been out for some time, for one, and a lot of 7, even with SCL, is far >> behind, and our researchers want newer software. > > Maybe you should try to explain to your manager why RHEL/CentOS exist and > why it's widely used in the corporate world. If he talks about Ubuntu > then you could explain to him what Fedora is any why and how it differs > from RHEL/CentOS. Btw, right now, we've just built a new server as Ubuntu, because my manager wants to use it to test zfs, including its ability to a) act as a RAID, directly, without an underlying RAID, and b) encrypt the whole thing natively. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Are linux distros redundant?
Simon Matter via CentOS wrote: >> Andrew Holway wrote: >> >>> I just realised that I haven't touched a centos/redhat machine in >>> more than a couple of years. Everything I do now is Kubernetes based >>> or using cloud services (or k8s cloud services). >>> >>> What about it listeroons? Is your fleet of centos boxes ever >>> expanding or are you just taking care of a single java 6 jboss >>> application that takes care of the companies widget stocks? >>> >>> How are your jobs changing? >> >> Nope. Well... actually, my manager's talking about Ubuntu or maybe even >> FreeBSD. He's *extremely* upset with RH being so slow - 8 should have >> been out for some time, for one, and a lot of 7, even with SCL, is far >> behind, and our researchers want newer software. > > Maybe you should try to explain to your manager why RHEL/CentOS exist and > why it's widely used in the corporate world. If he talks about Ubuntu > then you could explain to him what Fedora is any why and how it differs > from RHEL/CentOS. > > Of course, managers do not always listen to those who do the real work. Bad assumption, in this case. My manager is also a sr. sysadmin. He pushed CentOS a long time ago - we were running 5 when I got here, almost 10 years ago. But the folks we support keep wanting to run software that uses much newer PHP, and Python, and stuff from newer kernels. For example, allegedly (don't know for sure), some version of Ubuntu supports CUDA out of the box, as opposed to the mess I have to go through getting it and updating it from NVidia. mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Are linux distros redundant?
Another point is that Ubuntu is not just a Fedora alternative, they have a long-term support option known as LTS - all the even numbered releases: 14.04 (at EOL), 16.04, 18.04 (latest). I have heard that for 18.04 forward, they are going to a 10-year support model. For a Fedora alternative the odd-numbered releases should be used. From: CentOS on behalf of Andrew Holway Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 12:08:14 PM To: Simon Matter; centos Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [CentOS] Are linux distros redundant? > Maybe you should try to explain to your manager why RHEL/CentOS exist and > why it's widely used in the corporate world. If he talks about Ubuntu then > you could explain to him what Fedora is any why and how it differs from > RHEL/CentOS. > I'm not really sure that the reasons for Rhel really exist anymore. The oft quoted Library stabilty is more of a hindrance than a help in modern development environments with well operating CI. When the dinosaur IBM bought RH it was clear that it had become a fossil. Of course there is still legacy applications that need that but I see a definite shift away from OS dependant monoliths even in the more traditional enterprises > > ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos Harriscomputer Leroy Tennison Network Information/Cyber Security Specialist E: le...@datavoiceint.com [cid:Data-Voice-International-LOGO_aa3d1c6e-5cfb-451f-ba2c-af8059e69609.PNG] 2220 Bush Dr McKinney, Texas 75070 www.datavoiceint.com<http://www..com> This message has been sent on behalf of a company that is part of the Harris Operating Group of Constellation Software Inc. These companies are listed here<http://subscribe.harriscomputer.com/>. If you prefer not to be contacted by Harris Operating Group please notify us<http://subscribe.harriscomputer.com/>. This message is intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This communication may contain information that is proprietary, privileged or confidential or otherwise legally exempt from disclosure. If you are not the named addressee, you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy or disseminate this message or any part of it. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail and delete all copies of the message. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Are linux distros redundant?
> Maybe you should try to explain to your manager why RHEL/CentOS exist and > why it's widely used in the corporate world. If he talks about Ubuntu then > you could explain to him what Fedora is any why and how it differs from > RHEL/CentOS. > I'm not really sure that the reasons for Rhel really exist anymore. The oft quoted Library stabilty is more of a hindrance than a help in modern development environments with well operating CI. When the dinosaur IBM bought RH it was clear that it had become a fossil. Of course there is still legacy applications that need that but I see a definite shift away from OS dependant monoliths even in the more traditional enterprises > > ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Are linux distros redundant?
> Andrew Holway wrote: >> I just realised that I haven't touched a centos/redhat machine in more >> than a couple of years. Everything I do now is Kubernetes based or using >> cloud services (or k8s cloud services). >> >> What about it listeroons? Is your fleet of centos boxes ever expanding >> or >> are you just taking care of a single java 6 jboss application that >> takes >> care of the companies widget stocks? >> >> How are your jobs changing? > > Nope. Well... actually, my manager's talking about Ubuntu or maybe even > FreeBSD. He's *extremely* upset with RH being so slow - 8 should have been > out for some time, for one, and a lot of 7, even with SCL, is far behind, > and our researchers want newer software. Maybe you should try to explain to your manager why RHEL/CentOS exist and why it's widely used in the corporate world. If he talks about Ubuntu then you could explain to him what Fedora is any why and how it differs from RHEL/CentOS. Of course, managers do not always listen to those who do the real work. Regards, Simon ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 10:18:40AM -0400, mark wrote: > > Nope. Well... actually, my manager's talking about Ubuntu or maybe even > FreeBSD. He's *extremely* upset with RH being so slow - 8 should have been > out for some time, for one, and a lot of 7, even with SCL, is far behind, It should have been? Says who? John -- You may know how little God thinks of money by observing on what bad and contemptible characters he often bestows it. -- Thomas Guthrie (1803-1873), Scottish divine and philanthropist, Man and the Gospel (1865) pgpLya87lhiSw.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Are linux distros redundant?
>> What OS are your k8s clusters running on? How about your cloud >> providers? Mine are on RHEL and CentOS. >> > > I don't know. We use fully managed services from Google. I think its > coreOS. I'm wondering what desktops you run then, are they also running on Kubernetes? I know some prefer Windows or Mac OS, but others really like Linux to work with. How would that work if no Linux distributions exist anymore? Apart from that, there are people in this world who like to stay as far away from G**gle as possible. And there are some who do it with good reason and the same applies to A**zon, A**le, M$$rosoft you name them. They will never ask if distributions became redundant. I'm afraid too many clouds make the wider horizon invisible :-) Regards, Simon ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Are linux distros redundant?
Andrew Holway wrote: > I just realised that I haven't touched a centos/redhat machine in more > than a couple of years. Everything I do now is Kubernetes based or using > cloud services (or k8s cloud services). > > What about it listeroons? Is your fleet of centos boxes ever expanding or > are you just taking care of a single java 6 jboss application that takes > care of the companies widget stocks? > > How are your jobs changing? Nope. Well... actually, my manager's talking about Ubuntu or maybe even FreeBSD. He's *extremely* upset with RH being so slow - 8 should have been out for some time, for one, and a lot of 7, even with SCL, is far behind, and our researchers want newer software. But most of our Office's work is done in-house. Lots of CentOS and RH, lesser amounts, AFAIK, of ubuntu. Cloud? Why would I want to go back to time-sharing on a mainframe?* mark * Go ahead, explain the difference to me, and if you start to write "but it's many servers", then you don't understand timesharing on a mainframe. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 9:32 AM Andrew Holway wrote: > > > What OS are your k8s clusters running on? How about your cloud > > providers? Mine are on RHEL and CentOS. > > > > I don't know. We use fully managed services from Google. I think its coreOS. > Some of us build the infrastructure others use, which is what Google does. That includes having baremetal servers people can access (reserve, tell it which OS to install) to develop code for PCI devices which will later be used by the Google and Amazons which will then abstract them to their users. If you are working at the kubernetes level, you could not care less about whether a given NIC works or is giving the maximum performance; you do not even care about which NIC is being used. It is all about what you do. > > > -- > > Jonathan Billings > > ___ > > CentOS mailing list > > CentOS@centos.org > > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > > > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 at 09:32, Andrew Holway wrote: > > What OS are your k8s clusters running on? How about your cloud > > providers? Mine are on RHEL and CentOS. > > > > I don't know. We use fully managed services from Google. I think its > coreOS. > > > If its old coreOS then it is a rebuild of Gentoo. If it is newer coreOS it is a repackaged Fedora/RHEL. At some point it may be a repackaged CentOS.. but it isn't at a level you deal with. You have moved up the stack.. other people are dealing with the lower levels of plumbing and you are able to deal with higher level operations. -- Stephen J Smoogen. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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> What OS are your k8s clusters running on? How about your cloud > providers? Mine are on RHEL and CentOS. > I don't know. We use fully managed services from Google. I think its coreOS. > -- > Jonathan Billings > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 09:16:33AM -0400, Jonathan Billings wrote: > What OS are your k8s clusters running on? How about your cloud > providers? Mine are on RHEL and CentOS. On top of that, I often use centos as my base image for Dockerfiles, using the Centos docker repository. While I also use alpine sometimes if I want it really tiny, it is really nice to be able to just rebuild the image against updates and not have to worry as much about underlying API changes breaking my app. -- Jonathan Billings ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 02:42:19PM +0200, Andrew Holway wrote: > I just realised that I haven't touched a centos/redhat machine in more than > a couple of years. Everything I do now is Kubernetes based or using cloud > services (or k8s cloud services). > > What about it listeroons? Is your fleet of centos boxes ever expanding or > are you just taking care of a single java 6 jboss application that takes > care of the companies widget stocks? What OS are your k8s clusters running on? How about your cloud providers? Mine are on RHEL and CentOS. -- Jonathan Billings ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
