subject:"RE\: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform..."

No you won't...you will lose your benefits.  It says nowhere that you will
be charged with a felony.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 11:48 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
platform...

It's like this.

I didn't ask to be put in this program.  As a matter of fact I've appealed
and begged and pleaded every way I can to not be in it.

However if I am in it, and I work full time, I will be charged with a
federal felony.  As though it is fraud.  Even though I'm telling them I
would rather work, would rather return to my permanent 70%.

It's a bull shit way of paying us 100% without having to pay all the
benefits.  If you're 100% permanent and total your kids get CHAMPUS health
care and additional benefits.  In TDIU you get nothing for family.  The 100%
permanent rating has all kinds of additional programs and benefits
associated with it.

On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 11:16 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote:

 I don't get it..I still cannot find (or maybe understand) where it 
 says you are not legally allowed to work. Do you (or these links) mean 
 to say that in order to get the 100% disability benefit you cannot work?

 On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 9:58 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:

  Sorry, I have a lot of links around.

  That's describing the program I was put in, the next link gets into 
  it
 and
  lists the law

  I am not sure where it says on that page that you are not allowed to 
  be gainfully employed, On Jun 1, 2014 8:06 PM, LRS Scout 
  lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:

   I am prohibited by law from maintaining gainful employment

 http://www.benefits.va.gov/compensation/claims-special-individual_unem
 ployability.asp
   On Jun 1, 2014 5:07 PM, Eric Roberts 
 ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
   wrote:

Bullshit Tim.  You have only been experiencing the VA for a 
couple of years.
I first started going to the VA when Clinton was in office.  I 
saw firsthand how it nosedived from day one of the Bush 
Administration and it fell deep...much like our economy fell 
deep thanks to him.  Not only did
  Bush
rape the funding for the VA, which would have caused some 
problems on
   their
own, with the introduction of 2 wars, he also exponentially 
increased
  the
number of people relying on the VA for services.  Add to that 
the
 rape
  of
the economy which added even more burden to the VA, I am 
surprised we
  get
as
good of a service as we do out of the VA.  Quit whining that you 
are getting denied shit because you broke the law.  While I 
disagree with pot
 being
illegal...if you want to break the law and use it anyway, then 
that
 is
  on
you and you alone.  Take responsibility for your own actions.  
You
 are
   not
prohibited by law from maintaining gainful employment.  You will 
lose
   some
of the free benefits if you reach a certain income level.  You 
are
 not
being
denied shit.  I am also going to call bullshit on being denied
 medical
care.
You cannot be refused medical care.  That is illegal.  All 
veterans
 are
eligible for care at the VA...you do not have to be rated or
 disabled.
The
scale it based on whether or not you are disabled and sevice
 connected
   and
if not, then it is based on income on what you have to pay as 
far as
   copays
for visits and prescriptions.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 2:02 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare 
reform
 as
  a
platform...

Only eight of those years are thanks to Bush.

If you don't want the job don't apply for it.  We're pretty deep 
into
  the
second term to still be blaming the last guy.

You are taking out your ass about the VA.

While the health care issues are regional, due to the way the VA 
is organized, the problems on the benefits (VBA) side are 
equally
 insane,
   with
huge backlogs and major civil rights violations all over.

The surveys themselves are conducted internally, I have no faith 
in
  them
what so ever, this organization is riddled with inefficiency and 
corruption.

The rules are totally different for us, forever.  Your HIPPA
  protections
don't exist for us.  Our 4th and 5th amendment rights basically 
don't exist, our private medical information, including therapy 
notes and shit, is freely shared with federal law enforcement, 
without a warrant.  My property
  has
been stolen, without a warrant, my home searched, with out a
warrant.

I've been detained multiple times.  Local officers have lied to 
my neighbors and told them I have warrants, but

RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


No...this is the same person that whines about people collecting welfare and
he whines that if he works...which is saying that he can, he loses his
benefits.  So if he can work and is capable of working, then he should and
not just collect his 100% non-service connected disability.  So feel free to
go fuck yourself Mo...

Eric

-Original Message-
From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 9:51 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
platform...


You sir, are a clueless ass, whose has no idea what you are talking about.

On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 8:32 PM, Eric Roberts
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:

 So in order to keep your free handouts...you must not be able to
work...let'
 be honest Tim...if you are able to work, then you are scamming the 
 government.



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Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...

2014-06-02 Thread Sam


It has nothing to do with funding, most agree more funding just makes it
worse. It's the culture of corruption, these idiots get huge bonuses for
gaming the wait time numbers. This agency needs to go away. It would cost a
fraction of the cost to put the Vets on regular insurance plans. But then
cronies don't get to buy big houses. This is the model for Obamacare, be
very afraid.

.


On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 10:34 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote:


 As we discussed in another conversation, placing blame gets nothing done.

 However, if blame is going to be placed, time doesn't matter.  It
 should be laid at the feet of those who are responsible.

 The problems with the VA go back decades, and are mostly the result of
 wars that are started but not funded properly.  Congress provides the
 funding.  Look there for your villains.




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Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...

2014-06-02 Thread Larry C. Lyons


I still think you're a complete ass however.

On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Awww...so sweet

 Larry's going soft:)

 I like bitter or red ales or a nice lager.

 .


 On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 6:03 PM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com
 wrote:


 AS much as I personally dislike Sam's ideology, his ideology simply
 does not fit within the definitions of fascism as noted here:
 http://www.rense.com/general37/char.htm

 At his worse, its simply on the extreme end of the Republican
 spectrum. When I was younger and in London I remember kicking a few
 fascists to the curb. He's nothing like that. I could even have a beer
 with Sam. Provided it was something decent that is.

 On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Eric Roberts
 ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:
 
  Not all fascists are like Hitler.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:larrycly...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 2:06 PM
  To: cf-community
  Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
  platform...
 
 
  Fascist is too much. Sam is no Fascist. He's too civilized for that.
  He may be at the right wing end of this group, but he's no fascist.
 
  On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Eric Roberts
  ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:
 
  It's because it fits into Sam's fascist worldview fed by Fox News and
  folks like Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh.  It doesn't matter what facts
  or the volume of facts thrown at him, he will insist that this means
  the law is bad then scream Benghazi.
 
  Eric
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com]
  Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2014 10:41 PM
  To: cf-community
  Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform
  as a platform...
 
 
  The Oregon exchange is certainly an abject failure. It was a large
  failure on the part of the vendor (Oracle) and on management that did
  a crappy job of monitoring the vendor and auditing their work (the
  Oregon Health Authority). Plenty of blame to go around with a doubt.
 
  But how does one flawed implementation point to a problem with the
  law? You say most failed. That is bullshit. Oregon's failed. And now
  we are moving things along to piggy back on the national exchange.
  This is not the first IT project that has ever failed, nor the
  largest.  We need to learn from it, without a doubt, but a failure of
  the IT project does indicate that the law behind it is a failure. As
  noted by others, plenty of exchanges have worked very well.
 
  IT projects fail. Demand accountability (high level people have been
  fired and Oracle is getting sued), learn from mistakes, recover the
  best you can, and move forward.
 
  Judah
 
 
  On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 7:20 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
  Think it's saved any lives of people who couldn't get healthcare
  before, or for conditions that weren't covered?
  á§
 
 
  On 31 May 2014 10:08, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  
   Just look at the VA scandal if you want to know what Obamacare will
   look like when fully implemented.
   Didn't we just waste around $1 billion dollars trying to get the
  exchanges
   working and most failed. How's Oregon doing with their exchange?
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 



 

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Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...

2014-06-02 Thread Sam


That's the Larry I know

.


On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com
wrote:


 I still think you're a complete ass however.

 On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Awww...so sweet
 
  Larry's going soft:)
 
  I like bitter or red ales or a nice lager.
 
  .
 
 



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Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...

2014-06-02 Thread Vivec


@Eric:
Based on what he is saying, and the reading on the subject, there is some
category that the US Government PREVENTS someone from working.
So no, this isn't voluntary which kinda invalidates this opinion.

Based on some criteria, the US Government has determined that Tim, based on
his past, his skillset, his temperament and mental
state...whatever...should not be in the public working.
But because of his past service to his country, his country owes it to take
care of him, as perhaps that same country maybe responsible, at least
partly, for his current evaluation.

Now you can complain and beg to differ on the US Gov's analysis, but that
has nothing to do with the individual who has been placed in this bracket.
á§

On 1 June 2014 20:32, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:


 So in order to keep your free handouts...you must not be able to
 work...let'
 be honest Tim...if you are able to work, then you are scamming the
 government.




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RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


I have asked multiple times to be removed from these programs.
On Jun 2, 2014 9:39 AM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
wrote:


 No...this is the same person that whines about people collecting welfare
 and
 he whines that if he works...which is saying that he can, he loses his
 benefits.  So if he can work and is capable of working, then he should and
 not just collect his 100% non-service connected disability.  So feel free
 to
 go fuck yourself Mo...

 Eric

 -Original Message-
 From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 9:51 PM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
 platform...


 You sir, are a clueless ass, whose has no idea what you are talking about.

 On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 8:32 PM, Eric Roberts
 ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:
 
  So in order to keep your free handouts...you must not be able to
 work...let'
  be honest Tim...if you are able to work, then you are scamming the
  government.



 

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RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


If you get a job, you will be dropped because you no longer qualify...From
everything you posted, that is what I took from it.  I didn't see anything
that said you will be charged with a crime for working...unless of course
you do not notify them that you are working.  Nothing at stated that you
cannot work and are forced to not work.  It only says that to qualify for
this you must not be able to work due to your disability.  If you are able
to work and remain on this, then I would say you are being fraudulent.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 10:27 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
platform...


I have asked multiple times to be removed from these programs.
On Jun 2, 2014 9:39 AM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
wrote:


 No...this is the same person that whines about people collecting 
 welfare and he whines that if he works...which is saying that he can, 
 he loses his benefits.  So if he can work and is capable of working, 
 then he should and not just collect his 100% non-service connected 
 disability.  So feel free to go fuck yourself Mo...

 Eric

 -Original Message-
 From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 9:51 PM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform 
 as a platform...


 You sir, are a clueless ass, whose has no idea what you are talking about.

 On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 8:32 PM, Eric Roberts 
 ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:
 
  So in order to keep your free handouts...you must not be able to
 work...let'
  be honest Tim...if you are able to work, then you are scamming the 
  government.



 



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RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


We often refer to Individual Unemployability as TDIU or IU.

The Individual Unemployability Benefit is equal in every way to a 100%
Schedular rating. The compensation is 100% and that dollar amount is equal
to both ratings. If the veteran is rated as 100% Schedular, he or she may
work at any job they are capable of doing. The veteran who is rated as IU
may not hold gainful employment.

The IU veteran is required to complete a yearly VA Form 21-4140 to verify
that there has been no employment in the previous year. Each Regional Office
seems to have its own way of delivering these forms, all too often they
don't deliver them at all. It is the veterans responsibility to ensure that
the 4140 is completed and mailed in on or about the anniversary of the award
each year.

The veteran should download the form, print it and mail it in using
certified mail, return receipt requested. Either the 100% Schedular rating
or the 100% IU rating may be rated as Permanent and Total (PT). Either
rating may be a temporary one with future examinations scheduled.

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 7:29 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
platform...


http://www.vawatchdog.org/tdiu-unemployability.html
On Jun 1, 2014 8:28 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://www.vawatchdog.org/fiduciary-appointments.html
 On Jun 1, 2014 8:23 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Seriously Eric, look into the fiduciary program and VA unemployability.

 Everything I said is 100% true.  I realize it's only 200,000 
 veterans that have to deal the worst of its prescriptions, but I'm one of
them.
 On Jun 1, 2014 8:16 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:

 No I'm not.

 Although thanks for making the stereotype plainly obvious.
 On Jun 1, 2014 5:10 PM, Eric Roberts 
 ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
 wrote:


 Yeah...coming from the guy who is actually in therapy...

 -Original Message-
 From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 2:11 PM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare 
 reform as a platform...


 You're insane.

 That's one of the most ridiculous things I've read you write.
 On May 31, 2014 5:21 PM, Eric Roberts  
 ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
 wrote:

 
  Exactly.  I think it has done quite well given the hand it was dealt.
  The secret waiting lists were an unconscionable violation of our 
  trust, but efforts to improve the VA with adequate funding had a 
  lot
 to do
 with that.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:larrycly...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2014 9:33 AM
  To: cf-community
  Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare 
  reform as a platform...
 
 
  AS for the VA scandal, its more of a problem of facilities and
access.
  Because of cuts and increased demands from 12 years of war 
  (courtesy of your hero G. W. Bush) and over promising they don't 
  have the space simply put.
  In
  the last 25 years the VA has built only one, that is ONE, new 
  care facility.
  Compare that to the number built by for profit health care companies.
  If the VA had the same level of investment the scheduling scandal 
  never would have happened. That said, its a systemic problem with 
  the VA system, brought on by years of increasing demands on the 
  system and trying to make increasingly fewer resources stretch to 
  cover more and more. And still surveys show that the majority of 
  vets are very satisfied with their VA care. Now imagine how well 
  the VA could have done if the system had the right funding.
  At times its seems that this country is all for getting its 
  soldiers wounded and messed up but isn't really concerned about
afterwards.
  After all what's a few vets in comparison to the shiny new hangar 
  queen
  F-35
  LIghtning II that costs $142.6 million a piece.
 
  On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   Just look at the VA scandal if you want to know what Obamacare 
   will look like when fully implemented.
   Didn't we just waste around $1 billion dollars trying to get 
   the exchanges working and most failed. How's Oregon doing with 
   their
  exchange?
  
   .
  
  
   On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 1:05 AM, Eric Roberts  
   ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:
  
  
   ...and Sam...
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Jerry Milo Johnson [mailto:jmi...@gmail.com]
   Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 10:40 PM
   To: cf-community
   Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare 
   reform as a platform...
  
  
   difficult to lie.
  
   you greatly underestimate our political class.
  
  
   On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 11:26 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  
   
   
   
 http://www.californiahealthline.org/road-to-reform/2014/then-vs-n
ow
-ho

RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...

OK...but show me where it says that you cannot have a job and will be
prosecuted if you get one (assuming that you report that you have a job and
do not try to hide the fact that you have one)...

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 10:27 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
platform...

I have asked multiple times to be removed from these programs.
On Jun 2, 2014 9:39 AM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
wrote:

 No...this is the same person that whines about people collecting 
 welfare and he whines that if he works...which is saying that he can, 
 he loses his benefits.  So if he can work and is capable of working, 
 then he should and not just collect his 100% non-service connected 
 disability.  So feel free to go fuck yourself Mo...

 Eric

 -Original Message-
 From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 9:51 PM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform 
 as a platform...

 You sir, are a clueless ass, whose has no idea what you are talking about.

 On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 8:32 PM, Eric Roberts 
 ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:

  So in order to keep your free handouts...you must not be able to
 work...let'
  be honest Tim...if you are able to work, then you are scamming the 
  government.

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Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...

2014-06-02 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey


On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Eric Roberts 
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:

 OK...but show me where it says that you cannot have a job and will be
 prosecuted if you get one (assuming that you report that you have a job and
 do not try to hide the fact that you have one)...


Just jumping in here with a link -
http://benefits.va.gov/BENEFITS/factsheets/serviceconnected/IU.PDF

According to that, Veterans who are in receipt of Individual
Unemployability benefits may work as long as it is not considered
substantially gainful employment. The employment must be considered
marginal employment.

Marginal employment is generally deemed to exist when a Veteran's earned
income does not exceed the amount established by the U.S. Census Bureau as
the poverty level for the Veteran only. For more information on the U.S.
Census Bureau's poverty thresholds, see
http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/data/threshld/index.html;

That said, I haven't found the penalty issue.

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Every cloud does have a silver lining.  Sometimes you just have to do some
smelting to find it.


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RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


I have a field manager.  He is a gs-13 named Kris Wolf.  He decides whether
I have to stay in the unemployability and fiduciary programs.  I've asked
to be removed for two years now.  Certified letters, followed the appeals
process.

I've had the atf and fbi in my home on multiple occasions.  I have an
official POC with the local fusion center, Det. Dickinson.  I have been
told these things on many occasions and if you read the .mil (government)
site, the individual comments will show you that it is the manner in which
it is handled.

It is the specific combination of programs, neither of which I requested,
and that I am not being permitted to leave, that causes the unique problems
I run into.

There are only 200,000 vets in the fiduciary program, less than that in
both of them.

You said I broke the law, but I haven't been convicted if anything.

When I start these conversations, even with veterans, I get the same exact
responses.

First they insist I must be a felon if I lost my guns, then it's all a
lie.  After that it's you're a druggie or you're so crazy you need to be
treated like this.  All of my rights outlined in the bill of rights gave
been violated but the third.  Second fourth and fifth and fourteenth
amendment villains are clear.  My property was violated and stolen without
a warrant.

Some of the laws in this sphere directly contradict each other.

People on this list helped me when there were literally federal agents and
local police trying to intimidate me into taking down my blog.

My previous field manager was fired after an OIG investigation found she
was abusing her power, not just with me but with multiple veterans.

Eric. I wrote some scathing shit to you in regards to the fraud and free
handout bull shit.

A few people reading this have pdf copies of all the documentation the VA
has sent me.

I've talked to senators and congressmen.

I'm not a liar, or a fake.

I had dual complimentary careers before a war stripped me of that.

If you want to throw down dd-214s and see who earned what I'm down.

After that we can compare tax records and see who paid for what.

Dude, you think I'm gonna work this hard for 36k a year?

Gfy man

I keep writing mean shit here so I'm gonna close...

But I'm getting free hand outs.
On Jun 2, 2014 12:25 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
wrote:


 If you get a job, you will be dropped because you no longer qualify...From
 everything you posted, that is what I took from it.  I didn't see anything
 that said you will be charged with a crime for working...unless of course
 you do not notify them that you are working.  Nothing at stated that you
 cannot work and are forced to not work.  It only says that to qualify for
 this you must not be able to work due to your disability.  If you are able
 to work and remain on this, then I would say you are being fraudulent.

 Eric

 -Original Message-
 From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 10:27 AM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
 platform...


 I have asked multiple times to be removed from these programs.
 On Jun 2, 2014 9:39 AM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
 wrote:

 
  No...this is the same person that whines about people collecting
  welfare and he whines that if he works...which is saying that he can,
  he loses his benefits.  So if he can work and is capable of working,
  then he should and not just collect his 100% non-service connected
  disability.  So feel free to go fuck yourself Mo...
 
  Eric
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 9:51 PM
  To: cf-community
  Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform
  as a platform...
 
 
  You sir, are a clueless ass, whose has no idea what you are talking
 about.
 
  On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 8:32 PM, Eric Roberts
  ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:
  
   So in order to keep your free handouts...you must not be able to
  work...let'
   be honest Tim...if you are able to work, then you are scamming the
   government.
 
 
 
 



 

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You either admitted to smoking pot or you tested positive...i am guessing
you tested positive.  There doesn't need to be a conviction.  You broke the
law by smoking pot.

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 11:54 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
platform...

I have a field manager.  He is a gs-13 named Kris Wolf.  He decides whether
I have to stay in the unemployability and fiduciary programs.  I've asked to
be removed for two years now.  Certified letters, followed the appeals
process.

I've had the atf and fbi in my home on multiple occasions.  I have an
official POC with the local fusion center, Det. Dickinson.  I have been told
these things on many occasions and if you read the .mil (government) site,
the individual comments will show you that it is the manner in which it is
handled.

It is the specific combination of programs, neither of which I requested,
and that I am not being permitted to leave, that causes the unique problems
I run into.

There are only 200,000 vets in the fiduciary program, less than that in both
of them.

You said I broke the law, but I haven't been convicted if anything.

When I start these conversations, even with veterans, I get the same exact
responses.

First they insist I must be a felon if I lost my guns, then it's all a lie.
After that it's you're a druggie or you're so crazy you need to be treated
like this.  All of my rights outlined in the bill of rights gave been
violated but the third.  Second fourth and fifth and fourteenth amendment
villains are clear.  My property was violated and stolen without a warrant.

Some of the laws in this sphere directly contradict each other.

People on this list helped me when there were literally federal agents and
local police trying to intimidate me into taking down my blog.

My previous field manager was fired after an OIG investigation found she was
abusing her power, not just with me but with multiple veterans.

Eric. I wrote some scathing shit to you in regards to the fraud and free
handout bull shit.

A few people reading this have pdf copies of all the documentation the VA
has sent me.

I've talked to senators and congressmen.

I'm not a liar, or a fake.

I had dual complimentary careers before a war stripped me of that.

If you want to throw down dd-214s and see who earned what I'm down.

After that we can compare tax records and see who paid for what.

Dude, you think I'm gonna work this hard for 36k a year?

Gfy man

I keep writing mean shit here so I'm gonna close...

But I'm getting free hand outs.
On Jun 2, 2014 12:25 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
wrote:

 If you get a job, you will be dropped because you no longer 
 qualify...From everything you posted, that is what I took from it.  I 
 didn't see anything that said you will be charged with a crime for 
 working...unless of course you do not notify them that you are 
 working.  Nothing at stated that you cannot work and are forced to not 
 work.  It only says that to qualify for this you must not be able to 
 work due to your disability.  If you are able to work and remain on this,
then I would say you are being fraudulent.

 Eric

 -Original Message-
 From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 10:27 AM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform 
 as a platform...

 I have asked multiple times to be removed from these programs.
 On Jun 2, 2014 9:39 AM, Eric Roberts 
 ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
 wrote:

  No...this is the same person that whines about people collecting 
  welfare and he whines that if he works...which is saying that he 
  can, he loses his benefits.  So if he can work and is capable of 
  working, then he should and not just collect his 100% non-service 
  connected disability.  So feel free to go fuck yourself Mo...

  Eric

  -Original Message-
  From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 9:51 PM
  To: cf-community
  Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform 
  as a platform...

  You sir, are a clueless ass, whose has no idea what you are talking
 about.

  On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 8:32 PM, Eric Roberts 
  ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:

   So in order to keep your free handouts...you must not be able to
  work...let'
   be honest Tim...if you are able to work, then you are scamming the 
   government.

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RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


There doesn't need to be a conviction?

Are you serious?

Do you know what hearsay is?

Due process?

Innocent until proven guilty?

This isn't just about guns.

Until 2010 there wasn't even an appeals process.  Until last year I was no
longer permitted to purchase real property.

I'm 100% honest about smoking pot.

There is no federal law against minor possessions, there is no local
criminal law against it.  It is an infraction, a civil matter, not a
criminal one.  Read that again, and then go google it.

I'm not sure even what else I can say.

So you're of the opinion that I deserve to have my rights trampled because
I smoke pot.
On Jun 2, 2014 2:47 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
wrote:


 You either admitted to smoking pot or you tested positive...i am guessing
 you tested positive.  There doesn't need to be a conviction.  You broke the
 law by smoking pot.

 -Original Message-
 From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 11:54 AM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
 platform...


 I have a field manager.  He is a gs-13 named Kris Wolf.  He decides whether
 I have to stay in the unemployability and fiduciary programs.  I've asked
 to
 be removed for two years now.  Certified letters, followed the appeals
 process.

 I've had the atf and fbi in my home on multiple occasions.  I have an
 official POC with the local fusion center, Det. Dickinson.  I have been
 told
 these things on many occasions and if you read the .mil (government) site,
 the individual comments will show you that it is the manner in which it is
 handled.

 It is the specific combination of programs, neither of which I requested,
 and that I am not being permitted to leave, that causes the unique problems
 I run into.

 There are only 200,000 vets in the fiduciary program, less than that in
 both
 of them.

 You said I broke the law, but I haven't been convicted if anything.

 When I start these conversations, even with veterans, I get the same exact
 responses.

 First they insist I must be a felon if I lost my guns, then it's all a lie.
 After that it's you're a druggie or you're so crazy you need to be treated
 like this.  All of my rights outlined in the bill of rights gave been
 violated but the third.  Second fourth and fifth and fourteenth amendment
 villains are clear.  My property was violated and stolen without a warrant.

 Some of the laws in this sphere directly contradict each other.

 People on this list helped me when there were literally federal agents and
 local police trying to intimidate me into taking down my blog.

 My previous field manager was fired after an OIG investigation found she
 was
 abusing her power, not just with me but with multiple veterans.

 Eric. I wrote some scathing shit to you in regards to the fraud and free
 handout bull shit.

 A few people reading this have pdf copies of all the documentation the VA
 has sent me.

 I've talked to senators and congressmen.

 I'm not a liar, or a fake.

 I had dual complimentary careers before a war stripped me of that.

 If you want to throw down dd-214s and see who earned what I'm down.

 After that we can compare tax records and see who paid for what.

 Dude, you think I'm gonna work this hard for 36k a year?

 Gfy man

 I keep writing mean shit here so I'm gonna close...

 But I'm getting free hand outs.
 On Jun 2, 2014 12:25 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
 wrote:

 
  If you get a job, you will be dropped because you no longer
  qualify...From everything you posted, that is what I took from it.  I
  didn't see anything that said you will be charged with a crime for
  working...unless of course you do not notify them that you are
  working.  Nothing at stated that you cannot work and are forced to not
  work.  It only says that to qualify for this you must not be able to
  work due to your disability.  If you are able to work and remain on this,
 then I would say you are being fraudulent.
 
  Eric
 
  -Original Message-
  From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 10:27 AM
  To: cf-community
  Subject: RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform
  as a platform...
 
 
  I have asked multiple times to be removed from these programs.
  On Jun 2, 2014 9:39 AM, Eric Roberts
  ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
  wrote:
 
  
   No...this is the same person that whines about people collecting
   welfare and he whines that if he works...which is saying that he
   can, he loses his benefits.  So if he can work and is capable of
   working, then he should and not just collect his 100% non-service
   connected disability.  So feel free to go fuck yourself Mo...
  
   Eric
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com]
   Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 9:51 PM
   To: cf-community
   Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform
   as

RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


If you test positive...you can be fired from your job...lose your CDL
license...all sorts of shit without a trial.  Don't be naive Tim...

Yes...there are federal laws against it.  It is what they are using to bust
people even though it is legal in the state.  They have been doing that with
medical MJ since the first states approved it.  Violations of federal, state
and local drug laws are all criminal actions...not civil actions.  You are
sadly (and unfortunately) mistaken.  If these were not criminal violations,
then why do we have so many people in jail for minor drug offenses?
Admitting to illegal drug use in the VA will get you into a lot of trouble.
I get tested regularly because I take Vicodin for chronic pain.  Ever since
then, they test me at least 4-5 times a year for other illegal substances.
And the VA, since they are a federal agency,  goes by what the fed says is
illegal...not the states.  I wish it were different.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 4:56 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
platform...


There doesn't need to be a conviction?

Are you serious?

Do you know what hearsay is?

Due process?

Innocent until proven guilty?

This isn't just about guns.

Until 2010 there wasn't even an appeals process.  Until last year I was no
longer permitted to purchase real property.

I'm 100% honest about smoking pot.

There is no federal law against minor possessions, there is no local
criminal law against it.  It is an infraction, a civil matter, not a
criminal one.  Read that again, and then go google it.

I'm not sure even what else I can say.

So you're of the opinion that I deserve to have my rights trampled because I
smoke pot.
On Jun 2, 2014 2:47 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
wrote:


 You either admitted to smoking pot or you tested positive...i am 
 guessing you tested positive.  There doesn't need to be a conviction.  
 You broke the law by smoking pot.

 -Original Message-
 From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 11:54 AM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform 
 as a platform...


 I have a field manager.  He is a gs-13 named Kris Wolf.  He decides 
 whether I have to stay in the unemployability and fiduciary programs.  
 I've asked to be removed for two years now.  Certified letters, 
 followed the appeals process.

 I've had the atf and fbi in my home on multiple occasions.  I have an 
 official POC with the local fusion center, Det. Dickinson.  I have 
 been told these things on many occasions and if you read the .mil 
 (government) site, the individual comments will show you that it is 
 the manner in which it is handled.

 It is the specific combination of programs, neither of which I 
 requested, and that I am not being permitted to leave, that causes the 
 unique problems I run into.

 There are only 200,000 vets in the fiduciary program, less than that 
 in both of them.

 You said I broke the law, but I haven't been convicted if anything.

 When I start these conversations, even with veterans, I get the same 
 exact responses.

 First they insist I must be a felon if I lost my guns, then it's all a
lie.
 After that it's you're a druggie or you're so crazy you need to be 
 treated like this.  All of my rights outlined in the bill of rights 
 gave been violated but the third.  Second fourth and fifth and 
 fourteenth amendment villains are clear.  My property was violated and
stolen without a warrant.

 Some of the laws in this sphere directly contradict each other.

 People on this list helped me when there were literally federal agents 
 and local police trying to intimidate me into taking down my blog.

 My previous field manager was fired after an OIG investigation found 
 she was abusing her power, not just with me but with multiple 
 veterans.

 Eric. I wrote some scathing shit to you in regards to the fraud and 
 free handout bull shit.

 A few people reading this have pdf copies of all the documentation the 
 VA has sent me.

 I've talked to senators and congressmen.

 I'm not a liar, or a fake.

 I had dual complimentary careers before a war stripped me of that.

 If you want to throw down dd-214s and see who earned what I'm down.

 After that we can compare tax records and see who paid for what.

 Dude, you think I'm gonna work this hard for 36k a year?

 Gfy man

 I keep writing mean shit here so I'm gonna close...

 But I'm getting free hand outs.
 On Jun 2, 2014 12:25 PM, Eric Roberts 
 ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
 wrote:

 
  If you get a job, you will be dropped because you no longer 
  qualify...From everything you posted, that is what I took from it.  
  I didn't see anything that said you will be charged with a crime for 
  working...unless of course you do not notify them that you are 
  working.  Nothing at stated

Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...

2014-06-02 Thread Maureen


No, he thinks you deserve to have your rights trampled because he
disagrees with your politics.  He's just using the pot charge as a
smoke-screen to cover his real agenda.

On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 5:56 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:

 So you're of the opinion that I deserve to have my rights trampled because
 I smoke pot.

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Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


I don't have a job, as you've loved to point out.  I'm dealing with the
government, and they do not have the power to share my medical information
or use it against me.  This isn't a private interaction, it's not even a
voluntary interaction.

The federal crime comes with distribution and certain amounts of weight.
 There is no federal crime fore small scale personal possession unless you
are on federal property, and that would still require a conviction in a
court of law.  That is how they get the MMJ clubs and shops, distribution.

Most drug laws are like that, based on amount and value.  Use is not
illegal.  Small possession of some substances are illegal, and yes even
minor possession of pot is a criminal act in many states still.  It is not
in Ohio.  I do not distribute or buy large amounts.  I don't cross state
lines.

These are all the facts in the case and seem to be totally missing the
nature of the violations of anyone's individual rights.  Even if they think
I'm actually dangerous to myself and others the constitution requires in
several places that they prove that in a court of law.  Primarily the
Judicial Due Process is laid out in the 4th-8th amendments, and
incorporated and expanded upon in the 14th.


On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 6:03 PM, Eric Roberts 
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:


 If you test positive...you can be fired from your job...lose your CDL
 license...all sorts of shit without a trial.  Don't be naive Tim...

 Yes...there are federal laws against it.  It is what they are using to bust
 people even though it is legal in the state.  They have been doing that
 with
 medical MJ since the first states approved it.  Violations of federal,
 state
 and local drug laws are all criminal actions...not civil actions.  You are
 sadly (and unfortunately) mistaken.  If these were not criminal violations,
 then why do we have so many people in jail for minor drug offenses?
 Admitting to illegal drug use in the VA will get you into a lot of trouble.
 I get tested regularly because I take Vicodin for chronic pain.  Ever since
 then, they test me at least 4-5 times a year for other illegal substances.
 And the VA, since they are a federal agency,  goes by what the fed says is
 illegal...not the states.  I wish it were different.

 Eric

 -Original Message-
 From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 4:56 PM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
 platform...


 There doesn't need to be a conviction?

 Are you serious?

 Do you know what hearsay is?

 Due process?

 Innocent until proven guilty?

 This isn't just about guns.

 Until 2010 there wasn't even an appeals process.  Until last year I was no
 longer permitted to purchase real property.

 I'm 100% honest about smoking pot.

 There is no federal law against minor possessions, there is no local
 criminal law against it.  It is an infraction, a civil matter, not a
 criminal one.  Read that again, and then go google it.

 I'm not sure even what else I can say.

 So you're of the opinion that I deserve to have my rights trampled because
 I
 smoke pot.
 On Jun 2, 2014 2:47 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
 wrote:

 
  You either admitted to smoking pot or you tested positive...i am
  guessing you tested positive.  There doesn't need to be a conviction.
  You broke the law by smoking pot.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 11:54 AM
  To: cf-community
  Subject: RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform
  as a platform...
 
 
  I have a field manager.  He is a gs-13 named Kris Wolf.  He decides
  whether I have to stay in the unemployability and fiduciary programs.
  I've asked to be removed for two years now.  Certified letters,
  followed the appeals process.
 
  I've had the atf and fbi in my home on multiple occasions.  I have an
  official POC with the local fusion center, Det. Dickinson.  I have
  been told these things on many occasions and if you read the .mil
  (government) site, the individual comments will show you that it is
  the manner in which it is handled.
 
  It is the specific combination of programs, neither of which I
  requested, and that I am not being permitted to leave, that causes the
  unique problems I run into.
 
  There are only 200,000 vets in the fiduciary program, less than that
  in both of them.
 
  You said I broke the law, but I haven't been convicted if anything.
 
  When I start these conversations, even with veterans, I get the same
  exact responses.
 
  First they insist I must be a felon if I lost my guns, then it's all a
 lie.
  After that it's you're a druggie or you're so crazy you need to be
  treated like this.  All of my rights outlined in the bill of rights
  gave been violated but the third.  Second fourth and fifth and
  fourteenth amendment villains are clear.  My property was violated and

RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...

Yet if you come up hot on the piss test at the VA...you get entered into all
sorts of programs for drug abuse.  That is the reality of the situation.
Just like you can lose your job if you come up hot in a drug test...no court
required.

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 5:13 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
platform...

I don't have a job, as you've loved to point out.  I'm dealing with the
government, and they do not have the power to share my medical information
or use it against me.  This isn't a private interaction, it's not even a
voluntary interaction.

The federal crime comes with distribution and certain amounts of weight.
 There is no federal crime fore small scale personal possession unless you
are on federal property, and that would still require a conviction in a
court of law.  That is how they get the MMJ clubs and shops, distribution.

Most drug laws are like that, based on amount and value.  Use is not
illegal.  Small possession of some substances are illegal, and yes even
minor possession of pot is a criminal act in many states still.  It is not
in Ohio.  I do not distribute or buy large amounts.  I don't cross state
lines.

These are all the facts in the case and seem to be totally missing the
nature of the violations of anyone's individual rights.  Even if they think
I'm actually dangerous to myself and others the constitution requires in
several places that they prove that in a court of law.  Primarily the
Judicial Due Process is laid out in the 4th-8th amendments, and
incorporated and expanded upon in the 14th.

On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 6:03 PM, Eric Roberts 
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:

 If you test positive...you can be fired from your job...lose your CDL 
 license...all sorts of shit without a trial.  Don't be naive Tim...

 Yes...there are federal laws against it.  It is what they are using to 
 bust people even though it is legal in the state.  They have been 
 doing that with medical MJ since the first states approved it.  
 Violations of federal, state and local drug laws are all criminal 
 actions...not civil actions.  You are sadly (and unfortunately) 
 mistaken.  If these were not criminal violations, then why do we have 
 so many people in jail for minor drug offenses?
 Admitting to illegal drug use in the VA will get you into a lot of
trouble.
 I get tested regularly because I take Vicodin for chronic pain.  Ever 
 since then, they test me at least 4-5 times a year for other illegal
substances.
 And the VA, since they are a federal agency,  goes by what the fed 
 says is illegal...not the states.  I wish it were different.

 Eric

 -Original Message-
 From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 4:56 PM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform 
 as a platform...

 There doesn't need to be a conviction?

 Are you serious?

 Do you know what hearsay is?

 Due process?

 Innocent until proven guilty?

 This isn't just about guns.

 Until 2010 there wasn't even an appeals process.  Until last year I 
 was no longer permitted to purchase real property.

 I'm 100% honest about smoking pot.

 There is no federal law against minor possessions, there is no local 
 criminal law against it.  It is an infraction, a civil matter, not a 
 criminal one.  Read that again, and then go google it.

 I'm not sure even what else I can say.

 So you're of the opinion that I deserve to have my rights trampled 
 because I smoke pot.
 On Jun 2, 2014 2:47 PM, Eric Roberts 
 ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
 wrote:

  You either admitted to smoking pot or you tested positive...i am 
  guessing you tested positive.  There doesn't need to be a conviction.
  You broke the law by smoking pot.

  -Original Message-
  From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 11:54 AM
  To: cf-community
  Subject: RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform 
  as a platform...

  I have a field manager.  He is a gs-13 named Kris Wolf.  He decides 
  whether I have to stay in the unemployability and fiduciary programs.
  I've asked to be removed for two years now.  Certified letters, 
  followed the appeals process.

  I've had the atf and fbi in my home on multiple occasions.  I have 
  an official POC with the local fusion center, Det. Dickinson.  I 
  have been told these things on many occasions and if you read the 
  .mil
  (government) site, the individual comments will show you that it is 
  the manner in which it is handled.

  It is the specific combination of programs, neither of which I 
  requested, and that I am not being permitted to leave, that causes 
  the unique problems I run into.

  There are only 200,000 vets in the fiduciary program, less than that 
  in both of them.

  You said I broke the law, but I haven't been

RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


No Mo...if you actually bothered to read before vomiting at the mouth, he
stated that he could not have a job because he would have a felony charge
levied against him.  He also complained that because he came up hot on a
piss test that he is being penalized...he violated the law and is whining
that he is getting punished for it.  No agenda there...get your head out of
your ass and read please.  It has nothing to do with his politics.  Get a
fucking clue Mo.

-Original Message-
From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 5:09 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
platform...


No, he thinks you deserve to have your rights trampled because he disagrees
with your politics.  He's just using the pot charge as a smoke-screen to
cover his real agenda.

On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 5:56 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:

 So you're of the opinion that I deserve to have my rights trampled 
 because I smoke pot.



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Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


Oh, and as for my refusal to be treated.

2 weeks ago I went into the patient advocate here.  We talked for a while
about my case and the way the doctor was treating me, and this was the
second or third time (enough that she remembered me) lodging the same exact
complaints.  My doctor refuses to treat me, will not send me to inpatient
as she has promised multiple times.  Lied in her record.  The Patient
Advocate then said she would put me in for a new doctor, and that I should
look for a letter in the mail within a week.

I recorded this conversation.

It is now two weeks later and I went in this morning, as I had not received
the expected letter.  She didn't even record that I was there.  No record
what so ever.  She's gone now as her husband found new employment.

http://fixtheva.vyndo.com/doc/va.wav

That's the recording.  She is a public servant in the operations of her
duties and has no expectation of privacy within that building anyway as it
says all over.

I found out today that I have a Disruptive Flag.  So I went to find out
what that meant.  If you have 2 or more interactions with the VA Police,
whether you're found to be in the wrong or not, your name must be submitted
to a local council of both medical staff and administrators.  I have had
precisely two interactions with the VA Police.  The first time was when I
was refused service several months ago, the lady at the desk called the
cops, he heard what was going on and took me to the patient advocate.  I
didn't threaten or curse or anything.  The other time I was going to an
inpatient program.  Not a lock down, and voluntarily.  I told them I will
not go if I cannot smoke cigarettes.  They put me in a mental health lock
down, in a room for 12 hours.  I finally said I signed in I'm signing out
and left against medical advice.  They called the VA Police to try to
restrain me, instead when the police showed up they told the staff that I
had to be let go.

I have a FOIA request I'm waiting to be filled for all VA police records
too.


On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 6:12 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:

 I don't have a job, as you've loved to point out.  I'm dealing with the
 government, and they do not have the power to share my medical information
 or use it against me.  This isn't a private interaction, it's not even a
 voluntary interaction.

 The federal crime comes with distribution and certain amounts of weight.
  There is no federal crime fore small scale personal possession unless you
 are on federal property, and that would still require a conviction in a
 court of law.  That is how they get the MMJ clubs and shops, distribution.

 Most drug laws are like that, based on amount and value.  Use is not
 illegal.  Small possession of some substances are illegal, and yes even
 minor possession of pot is a criminal act in many states still.  It is not
 in Ohio.  I do not distribute or buy large amounts.  I don't cross state
 lines.

 These are all the facts in the case and seem to be totally missing the
 nature of the violations of anyone's individual rights.  Even if they think
 I'm actually dangerous to myself and others the constitution requires in
 several places that they prove that in a court of law.  Primarily the
 Judicial Due Process is laid out in the 4th-8th amendments, and
 incorporated and expanded upon in the 14th.


 On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 6:03 PM, Eric Roberts 
 ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:


 If you test positive...you can be fired from your job...lose your CDL
 license...all sorts of shit without a trial.  Don't be naive Tim...

 Yes...there are federal laws against it.  It is what they are using to
 bust
 people even though it is legal in the state.  They have been doing that
 with
 medical MJ since the first states approved it.  Violations of federal,
 state
 and local drug laws are all criminal actions...not civil actions.  You are
 sadly (and unfortunately) mistaken.  If these were not criminal
 violations,
 then why do we have so many people in jail for minor drug offenses?
 Admitting to illegal drug use in the VA will get you into a lot of
 trouble.
 I get tested regularly because I take Vicodin for chronic pain.  Ever
 since
 then, they test me at least 4-5 times a year for other illegal substances.
 And the VA, since they are a federal agency,  goes by what the fed says is
 illegal...not the states.  I wish it were different.

 Eric

 -Original Message-
 From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 4:56 PM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
 platform...


 There doesn't need to be a conviction?

 Are you serious?

 Do you know what hearsay is?

 Due process?

 Innocent until proven guilty?

 This isn't just about guns.

 Until 2010 there wasn't even an appeals process.  Until last year I was no
 longer permitted to purchase real property.

 I'm 100% honest about smoking pot.

 There is no federal law against minor

Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


And that is illegal and immoral

Your job is a private voluntary interaction.  Dealing with the government
is not.


On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 6:31 PM, Eric Roberts 
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:


 Yet if you come up hot on the piss test at the VA...you get entered into
 all
 sorts of programs for drug abuse.  That is the reality of the situation.
 Just like you can lose your job if you come up hot in a drug test...no
 court
 required.

 -Original Message-
 From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 5:13 PM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
 platform...


 I don't have a job, as you've loved to point out.  I'm dealing with the
 government, and they do not have the power to share my medical information
 or use it against me.  This isn't a private interaction, it's not even a
 voluntary interaction.

 The federal crime comes with distribution and certain amounts of weight.
  There is no federal crime fore small scale personal possession unless you
 are on federal property, and that would still require a conviction in a
 court of law.  That is how they get the MMJ clubs and shops, distribution.

 Most drug laws are like that, based on amount and value.  Use is not
 illegal.  Small possession of some substances are illegal, and yes even
 minor possession of pot is a criminal act in many states still.  It is not
 in Ohio.  I do not distribute or buy large amounts.  I don't cross state
 lines.

 These are all the facts in the case and seem to be totally missing the
 nature of the violations of anyone's individual rights.  Even if they think
 I'm actually dangerous to myself and others the constitution requires in
 several places that they prove that in a court of law.  Primarily the
 Judicial Due Process is laid out in the 4th-8th amendments, and
 incorporated and expanded upon in the 14th.


 On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 6:03 PM, Eric Roberts 
 ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:

 
  If you test positive...you can be fired from your job...lose your CDL
  license...all sorts of shit without a trial.  Don't be naive Tim...
 
  Yes...there are federal laws against it.  It is what they are using to
  bust people even though it is legal in the state.  They have been
  doing that with medical MJ since the first states approved it.
  Violations of federal, state and local drug laws are all criminal
  actions...not civil actions.  You are sadly (and unfortunately)
  mistaken.  If these were not criminal violations, then why do we have
  so many people in jail for minor drug offenses?
  Admitting to illegal drug use in the VA will get you into a lot of
 trouble.
  I get tested regularly because I take Vicodin for chronic pain.  Ever
  since then, they test me at least 4-5 times a year for other illegal
 substances.
  And the VA, since they are a federal agency,  goes by what the fed
  says is illegal...not the states.  I wish it were different.
 
  Eric
 
  -Original Message-
  From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 4:56 PM
  To: cf-community
  Subject: RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform
  as a platform...
 
 
  There doesn't need to be a conviction?
 
  Are you serious?
 
  Do you know what hearsay is?
 
  Due process?
 
  Innocent until proven guilty?
 
  This isn't just about guns.
 
  Until 2010 there wasn't even an appeals process.  Until last year I
  was no longer permitted to purchase real property.
 
  I'm 100% honest about smoking pot.
 
  There is no federal law against minor possessions, there is no local
  criminal law against it.  It is an infraction, a civil matter, not a
  criminal one.  Read that again, and then go google it.
 
  I'm not sure even what else I can say.
 
  So you're of the opinion that I deserve to have my rights trampled
  because I smoke pot.
  On Jun 2, 2014 2:47 PM, Eric Roberts
  ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
  wrote:
 
  
   You either admitted to smoking pot or you tested positive...i am
   guessing you tested positive.  There doesn't need to be a conviction.
   You broke the law by smoking pot.
  
   -Original Message-
   From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
   Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 11:54 AM
   To: cf-community
   Subject: RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform
   as a platform...
  
  
   I have a field manager.  He is a gs-13 named Kris Wolf.  He decides
   whether I have to stay in the unemployability and fiduciary programs.
   I've asked to be removed for two years now.  Certified letters,
   followed the appeals process.
  
   I've had the atf and fbi in my home on multiple occasions.  I have
   an official POC with the local fusion center, Det. Dickinson.  I
   have been told these things on many occasions and if you read the
   .mil
   (government) site, the individual comments will show you that it is
   the manner in which it is handled.
  
   It is the

Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


I din't say I came up hot, you did.  I tell them I smoke all the time.


On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 6:33 PM, Eric Roberts 
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:


 No Mo...if you actually bothered to read before vomiting at the mouth, he
 stated that he could not have a job because he would have a felony charge
 levied against him.  He also complained that because he came up hot on a
 piss test that he is being penalized...he violated the law and is whining
 that he is getting punished for it.  No agenda there...get your head out of
 your ass and read please.  It has nothing to do with his politics.  Get a
 fucking clue Mo.

 -Original Message-
 From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 5:09 PM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
 platform...


 No, he thinks you deserve to have your rights trampled because he disagrees
 with your politics.  He's just using the pot charge as a smoke-screen to
 cover his real agenda.

 On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 5:56 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  So you're of the opinion that I deserve to have my rights trampled
  because I smoke pot.



 

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Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


I'm not on pain meds or anything else except for antibiotics for my skin.


On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 6:36 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:

 I din't say I came up hot, you did.  I tell them I smoke all the time.


 On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 6:33 PM, Eric Roberts 
 ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:


 No Mo...if you actually bothered to read before vomiting at the mouth, he
 stated that he could not have a job because he would have a felony charge
 levied against him.  He also complained that because he came up hot on a
 piss test that he is being penalized...he violated the law and is whining
 that he is getting punished for it.  No agenda there...get your head out
 of
 your ass and read please.  It has nothing to do with his politics.  Get a
 fucking clue Mo.

 -Original Message-
 From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 5:09 PM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
 platform...


 No, he thinks you deserve to have your rights trampled because he
 disagrees
 with your politics.  He's just using the pot charge as a smoke-screen to
 cover his real agenda.

 On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 5:56 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  So you're of the opinion that I deserve to have my rights trampled
  because I smoke pot.



 

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RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...

Telling them that you smoke is just as damning...

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 5:36 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
platform...

I din't say I came up hot, you did.  I tell them I smoke all the time.

On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 6:33 PM, Eric Roberts 
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:

 No Mo...if you actually bothered to read before vomiting at the mouth, 
 he stated that he could not have a job because he would have a felony 
 charge levied against him.  He also complained that because he came up 
 hot on a piss test that he is being penalized...he violated the law 
 and is whining that he is getting punished for it.  No agenda 
 there...get your head out of your ass and read please.  It has nothing 
 to do with his politics.  Get a fucking clue Mo.

 -Original Message-
 From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 5:09 PM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform 
 as a platform...

 No, he thinks you deserve to have your rights trampled because he 
 disagrees with your politics.  He's just using the pot charge as a 
 smoke-screen to cover his real agenda.

 On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 5:56 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:

  So you're of the opinion that I deserve to have my rights trampled 
  because I smoke pot.

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Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


According to what?


On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Eric Roberts 
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:


 Telling them that you smoke is just as damning...

 -Original Message-
 From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 5:36 PM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
 platform...


 I din't say I came up hot, you did.  I tell them I smoke all the time.


 On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 6:33 PM, Eric Roberts 
 ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:

 
  No Mo...if you actually bothered to read before vomiting at the mouth,
  he stated that he could not have a job because he would have a felony
  charge levied against him.  He also complained that because he came up
  hot on a piss test that he is being penalized...he violated the law
  and is whining that he is getting punished for it.  No agenda
  there...get your head out of your ass and read please.  It has nothing
  to do with his politics.  Get a fucking clue Mo.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 5:09 PM
  To: cf-community
  Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform
  as a platform...
 
 
  No, he thinks you deserve to have your rights trampled because he
  disagrees with your politics.  He's just using the pot charge as a
  smoke-screen to cover his real agenda.
 
  On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 5:56 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   So you're of the opinion that I deserve to have my rights trampled
   because I smoke pot.
 
 
 
 



 

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RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...

Your personal experience for one...  I have seen that with other vets who
admit to pot use and other drug use.

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 6:23 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
platform...

According to what?

On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Eric Roberts 
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:

 Telling them that you smoke is just as damning...

 -Original Message-
 From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 5:36 PM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform 
 as a platform...

 I din't say I came up hot, you did.  I tell them I smoke all the time.

 On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 6:33 PM, Eric Roberts  
 ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:

  No Mo...if you actually bothered to read before vomiting at the 
  mouth, he stated that he could not have a job because he would have 
  a felony charge levied against him.  He also complained that because 
  he came up hot on a piss test that he is being penalized...he 
  violated the law and is whining that he is getting punished for it.  
  No agenda there...get your head out of your ass and read please.  It 
  has nothing to do with his politics.  Get a fucking clue Mo.

  -Original Message-
  From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 5:09 PM
  To: cf-community
  Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform 
  as a platform...

  No, he thinks you deserve to have your rights trampled because he 
  disagrees with your politics.  He's just using the pot charge as a 
  smoke-screen to cover his real agenda.

  On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 5:56 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:

   So you're of the opinion that I deserve to have my rights trampled 
   because I smoke pot.

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Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


But what is the legal justification?

On 6/2/14, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:

 Your personal experience for one...  I have seen that with other vets who
 admit to pot use and other drug use.


 -Original Message-
 From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 6:23 PM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
 platform...


 According to what?


 On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Eric Roberts 
 ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:


 Telling them that you smoke is just as damning...

 -Original Message-
 From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 5:36 PM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform
 as a platform...


 I din't say I came up hot, you did.  I tell them I smoke all the time.


 On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 6:33 PM, Eric Roberts 
 ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:

 
  No Mo...if you actually bothered to read before vomiting at the
  mouth, he stated that he could not have a job because he would have
  a felony charge levied against him.  He also complained that because
  he came up hot on a piss test that he is being penalized...he
  violated the law and is whining that he is getting punished for it.
  No agenda there...get your head out of your ass and read please.  It
  has nothing to do with his politics.  Get a fucking clue Mo.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 5:09 PM
  To: cf-community
  Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform
  as a platform...
 
 
  No, he thinks you deserve to have your rights trampled because he
  disagrees with your politics.  He's just using the pot charge as a
  smoke-screen to cover his real agenda.
 
  On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 5:56 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   So you're of the opinion that I deserve to have my rights trampled
   because I smoke pot.
 
 
 
 







 

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RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...

Because it is a scheduled drug...it allows them to do it.

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 6:40 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
platform...

But what is the legal justification?

On 6/2/14, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:

 Your personal experience for one...  I have seen that with other vets 
 who admit to pot use and other drug use.

 -Original Message-
 From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 6:23 PM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform 
 as a platform...

 According to what?

 On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Eric Roberts  
 ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:

 Telling them that you smoke is just as damning...

 -Original Message-
 From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 5:36 PM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform 
 as a platform...

 I din't say I came up hot, you did.  I tell them I smoke all the time.

 On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 6:33 PM, Eric Roberts  
 ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:

  No Mo...if you actually bothered to read before vomiting at the 
  mouth, he stated that he could not have a job because he would have 
  a felony charge levied against him.  He also complained that 
  because he came up hot on a piss test that he is being 
  penalized...he violated the law and is whining that he is getting
punished for it.
  No agenda there...get your head out of your ass and read please.  
  It has nothing to do with his politics.  Get a fucking clue Mo.

  -Original Message-
  From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 5:09 PM
  To: cf-community
  Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare 
  reform as a platform...

  No, he thinks you deserve to have your rights trampled because he 
  disagrees with your politics.  He's just using the pot charge as a 
  smoke-screen to cover his real agenda.

  On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 5:56 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:

   So you're of the opinion that I deserve to have my rights 
   trampled because I smoke pot.

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Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


Where is that written down?


On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Eric Roberts 
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:


 Because it is a scheduled drug...it allows them to do it.

 -Original Message-
 From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 6:40 PM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
 platform...


 But what is the legal justification?

 On 6/2/14, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:
 
  Your personal experience for one...  I have seen that with other vets
  who admit to pot use and other drug use.
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 6:23 PM
  To: cf-community
  Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform
  as a platform...
 
 
  According to what?
 
 
  On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Eric Roberts 
  ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:
 
 
  Telling them that you smoke is just as damning...
 
  -Original Message-
  From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 5:36 PM
  To: cf-community
  Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform
  as a platform...
 
 
  I din't say I came up hot, you did.  I tell them I smoke all the time.
 
 
  On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 6:33 PM, Eric Roberts 
  ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:
 
  
   No Mo...if you actually bothered to read before vomiting at the
   mouth, he stated that he could not have a job because he would have
   a felony charge levied against him.  He also complained that
   because he came up hot on a piss test that he is being
   penalized...he violated the law and is whining that he is getting
 punished for it.
   No agenda there...get your head out of your ass and read please.
   It has nothing to do with his politics.  Get a fucking clue Mo.
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com]
   Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 5:09 PM
   To: cf-community
   Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare
   reform as a platform...
  
  
   No, he thinks you deserve to have your rights trampled because he
   disagrees with your politics.  He's just using the pot charge as a
   smoke-screen to cover his real agenda.
  
   On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 5:56 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:
   
So you're of the opinion that I deserve to have my rights
trampled because I smoke pot.
  
  
  
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 



 

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RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


I think it is fucked up...especially with many states completely legalizing
it or at least legalizing medical MJ.  I am hoping that once IL gets it shit
together with the regs (we passed medical MJ earlier this year), I will have
private insurance so I can get a medical MJ card.  A few tokes of that is
worth a day and a half of vicoden...and much safer.  I am not saying I am
agreeing with it, but that is the current reality.  I would never ever admit
to them that I ever smoked it...even as a teen.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 6:40 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
platform...


But what is the legal justification?

On 6/2/14, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:

 Your personal experience for one...  I have seen that with other vets 
 who admit to pot use and other drug use.


 -Original Message-
 From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 6:23 PM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform 
 as a platform...


 According to what?


 On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Eric Roberts  
 ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:


 Telling them that you smoke is just as damning...

 -Original Message-
 From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 5:36 PM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform 
 as a platform...


 I din't say I came up hot, you did.  I tell them I smoke all the time.


 On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 6:33 PM, Eric Roberts  
 ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:

 
  No Mo...if you actually bothered to read before vomiting at the 
  mouth, he stated that he could not have a job because he would have 
  a felony charge levied against him.  He also complained that 
  because he came up hot on a piss test that he is being 
  penalized...he violated the law and is whining that he is getting
punished for it.
  No agenda there...get your head out of your ass and read please.  
  It has nothing to do with his politics.  Get a fucking clue Mo.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 5:09 PM
  To: cf-community
  Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare 
  reform as a platform...
 
 
  No, he thinks you deserve to have your rights trampled because he 
  disagrees with your politics.  He's just using the pot charge as a 
  smoke-screen to cover his real agenda.
 
  On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 5:56 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   So you're of the opinion that I deserve to have my rights 
   trampled because I smoke pot.
 
 
 
 







 



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Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


That still doesn't answer the question.

You totally haven't addressed what I just posted in regards to the
recording, and them not even scheduling me.

You haven't shown me anywhere in any document that gives them the power to
do this.

HIPPA should specifically prevent some of this, as should the patients
bill of rights and the privacy act probably.  There's all kinds of
applicable case law on how to find someone legally incompetent.  It happens
in a court of law.  In the open.  In front of a jury if that right isn't
waived.  The executive branch has now made it quasi legal as part of their
anti gun executive orders by increasing the reporting requirements past the
traditional limit of a danger to themselves or others.


On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 8:31 PM, Eric Roberts 
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:


 I think it is fucked up...especially with many states completely legalizing
 it or at least legalizing medical MJ.  I am hoping that once IL gets it
 shit
 together with the regs (we passed medical MJ earlier this year), I will
 have
 private insurance so I can get a medical MJ card.  A few tokes of that is
 worth a day and a half of vicoden...and much safer.  I am not saying I am
 agreeing with it, but that is the current reality.  I would never ever
 admit
 to them that I ever smoked it...even as a teen.

 Eric

 -Original Message-
 From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 6:40 PM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
 platform...


 But what is the legal justification?

 On 6/2/14, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:
 
  Your personal experience for one...  I have seen that with other vets
  who admit to pot use and other drug use.
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 6:23 PM
  To: cf-community
  Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform
  as a platform...
 
 
  According to what?
 
 
  On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Eric Roberts 
  ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:
 
 
  Telling them that you smoke is just as damning...
 
  -Original Message-
  From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 5:36 PM
  To: cf-community
  Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform
  as a platform...
 
 
  I din't say I came up hot, you did.  I tell them I smoke all the time.
 
 
  On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 6:33 PM, Eric Roberts 
  ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:
 
  
   No Mo...if you actually bothered to read before vomiting at the
   mouth, he stated that he could not have a job because he would have
   a felony charge levied against him.  He also complained that
   because he came up hot on a piss test that he is being
   penalized...he violated the law and is whining that he is getting
 punished for it.
   No agenda there...get your head out of your ass and read please.
   It has nothing to do with his politics.  Get a fucking clue Mo.
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com]
   Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 5:09 PM
   To: cf-community
   Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare
   reform as a platform...
  
  
   No, he thinks you deserve to have your rights trampled because he
   disagrees with your politics.  He's just using the pot charge as a
   smoke-screen to cover his real agenda.
  
   On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 5:56 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:
   
So you're of the opinion that I deserve to have my rights
trampled because I smoke pot.
  
  
  
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 



 

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RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...

http://www.justice.gov/dea/druginfo/ds.shtml
-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 7:31 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
platform...

Where is that written down?

On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Eric Roberts 
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:

 Because it is a scheduled drug...it allows them to do it.

 -Original Message-
 From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 6:40 PM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform 
 as a platform...

 But what is the legal justification?

 On 6/2/14, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:

  Your personal experience for one...  I have seen that with other 
  vets who admit to pot use and other drug use.

  -Original Message-
  From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 6:23 PM
  To: cf-community
  Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform 
  as a platform...

  According to what?

  On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Eric Roberts  
  ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:

  Telling them that you smoke is just as damning...

  -Original Message-
  From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 5:36 PM
  To: cf-community
  Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare 
  reform as a platform...

  I din't say I came up hot, you did.  I tell them I smoke all the time.

  On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 6:33 PM, Eric Roberts  
  ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:

   No Mo...if you actually bothered to read before vomiting at the 
   mouth, he stated that he could not have a job because he would 
   have a felony charge levied against him.  He also complained that 
   because he came up hot on a piss test that he is being 
   penalized...he violated the law and is whining that he is getting
 punished for it.
   No agenda there...get your head out of your ass and read please.
   It has nothing to do with his politics.  Get a fucking clue Mo.

   -Original Message-
   From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com]
   Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 5:09 PM
   To: cf-community
   Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare 
   reform as a platform...

   No, he thinks you deserve to have your rights trampled because he 
   disagrees with your politics.  He's just using the pot charge as 
   a smoke-screen to cover his real agenda.

   On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 5:56 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:

So you're of the opinion that I deserve to have my rights 
trampled because I smoke pot.

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Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


Well, lookie here:

http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/21cfr/21usc/844a.htm

SUBCHAPTER I â CONTROL AND ENFORCEMENTPart D â Offenses And Penalties 
Â§844a.
Civil penalty for possession of small amounts of certain controlled
substances

See where it says civil?

Do you understand the difference between civil and criminal?

If I am not even accused of a crime, how can a federal agent enter my home,
detain me, lay hands on me, rifle through my things, and steal some of my
belongs, some of which weren't even guns?  Without a search warrant.
 Without an arrest warrant.  Without a receipt for the items stolen?


On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 8:38 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:

 That still doesn't answer the question.

 You totally haven't addressed what I just posted in regards to the
 recording, and them not even scheduling me.

 You haven't shown me anywhere in any document that gives them the power to
 do this.

 HIPPA should specifically prevent some of this, as should the patients
 bill of rights and the privacy act probably.  There's all kinds of
 applicable case law on how to find someone legally incompetent.  It happens
 in a court of law.  In the open.  In front of a jury if that right isn't
 waived.  The executive branch has now made it quasi legal as part of their
 anti gun executive orders by increasing the reporting requirements past the
 traditional limit of a danger to themselves or others.


 On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 8:31 PM, Eric Roberts 
 ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:


 I think it is fucked up...especially with many states completely
 legalizing
 it or at least legalizing medical MJ.  I am hoping that once IL gets it
 shit
 together with the regs (we passed medical MJ earlier this year), I will
 have
 private insurance so I can get a medical MJ card.  A few tokes of that is
 worth a day and a half of vicoden...and much safer.  I am not saying I am
 agreeing with it, but that is the current reality.  I would never ever
 admit
 to them that I ever smoked it...even as a teen.

 Eric

 -Original Message-
 From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 6:40 PM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
 platform...


 But what is the legal justification?

 On 6/2/14, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:
 
  Your personal experience for one...  I have seen that with other vets
  who admit to pot use and other drug use.
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 6:23 PM
  To: cf-community
  Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform
  as a platform...
 
 
  According to what?
 
 
  On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Eric Roberts 
  ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:
 
 
  Telling them that you smoke is just as damning...
 
  -Original Message-
  From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 5:36 PM
  To: cf-community
  Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform
  as a platform...
 
 
  I din't say I came up hot, you did.  I tell them I smoke all the time.
 
 
  On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 6:33 PM, Eric Roberts 
  ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:
 
  
   No Mo...if you actually bothered to read before vomiting at the
   mouth, he stated that he could not have a job because he would have
   a felony charge levied against him.  He also complained that
   because he came up hot on a piss test that he is being
   penalized...he violated the law and is whining that he is getting
 punished for it.
   No agenda there...get your head out of your ass and read please.
   It has nothing to do with his politics.  Get a fucking clue Mo.
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com]
   Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 5:09 PM
   To: cf-community
   Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare
   reform as a platform...
  
  
   No, he thinks you deserve to have your rights trampled because he
   disagrees with your politics.  He's just using the pot charge as a
   smoke-screen to cover his real agenda.
  
   On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 5:56 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com
 wrote:
   
So you're of the opinion that I deserve to have my rights
trampled because I smoke pot.
  
  
  
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 



 

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RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


It is also a violation of VA Regs.  
http://www.justanswer.com/military-law/27e7x-us-veteran-100-service-connected-disability-and.html


Expert:  P. Simmons replied 4 years ago.
Thanks

OK, did some research this morning. I could not find any authority that states 
you will loose eligibility. I did find that if you are incarcerated, you will 
loose eligibility for the period of incarceration only...so you would regain 
eligibility on release. This suggests that the drug test alone will not be 
enough.

Now, if you are questioned by the VA about this, you may want to consider your 
words carefully and consider talking to a local attorney prior to admitting to 
any illegal drug use. It may be that any admissions you give to the VA could be 
used against you. There are rules that can protect your conversations with 
doctors...but these are a bit complex and its better to err on the side of 
caution, rather than to give a statement that could be used to prosecute you.


And, PRIOR to taking any action that would take away your benefits, the VA is 
required to give you notice and the opportunity to be heard on the matter. So 
if that happens, I would seek legal counsel.

Hope that helps



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Expert:  P. Simmons replied 4 years ago.
The VA can not incarcerate you. To be incarcerated you would need to be charged 
with a crime and taken to trial and convicted.

However, if you admit to the VA your use of illegal drugs, they could report 
this to law enforcement. For example, in AZ its a criminal offense to use many 
illegal drugs.

Here is the code in AZ for illegal use of marijuana.

13-3405. Possession, use, production, sale or transportation of marijuana; 
classification

A. A person shall not knowingly:

1. Possess or use marijuana.

2. Possess marijuana for sale.

3. Produce marijuana.

4. Transport for sale, import into this state or offer to transport for sale or 
import into this state, sell, transfer or offer to sell or transfer marijuana.

B. A person who violates:

1. Subsection A, paragraph 1 of this section involving an amount of marijuana 
not possessed for sale having a weight of less than two pounds is guilty of a 
class 6 felony.

There are similar laws for other illegal drugs.


So, its a good idea to not admit to use, or at least discuss with a local 
attorney prior to admitting to use.

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 7:47 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a 
platform...


Well, lookie here:

http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/21cfr/21usc/844a.htm

SUBCHAPTER I Ã¢â¬â CONTROL AND ENFORCEMENTPart D Ã¢â¬â Offenses And 
Penalties ÃÂ§844a.
Civil penalty for possession of small amounts of certain controlled substances

See where it says civil?

Do you understand the difference between civil and criminal?

If I am not even accused of a crime, how can a federal agent enter my home, 
detain me, lay hands on me, rifle through my things, and steal some of my 
belongs, some of which weren't even guns?  Without a search warrant.
 Without an arrest warrant.  Without a receipt for the items stolen?


On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 8:38 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:

 That still doesn't answer the question.

 You totally haven't addressed what I just posted in regards to the 
 recording, and them not even scheduling me.

 You haven't shown me anywhere in any document that gives them the 
 power to do this.

 HIPPA should specifically prevent some of this, as should the patients 
 bill of rights and

RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


Did you read what you pasted?

I haven't been incarcerated, that would require a criminal charge, and a
trial.

It said they could report it to local authorities.

I've smoked in front of local authorities here.

I've never even gotten a ticket, only one even dumped my shit.

It's an infraction now in Ohio.

Twice your posts make my point for me.
On Jun 2, 2014 9:59 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
wrote:


 It is also a violation of VA Regs.
 http://www.justanswer.com/military-law/27e7x-us-veteran-100-service-connected-disability-and.html


 Expert:  P. Simmons replied 4 years ago.
 Thanks

 OK, did some research this morning. I could not find any authority that
 states you will loose eligibility. I did find that if you are incarcerated,
 you will loose eligibility for the period of incarceration only...so you
 would regain eligibility on release. This suggests that the drug test alone
 will not be enough.

 Now, if you are questioned by the VA about this, you may want to consider
 your words carefully and consider talking to a local attorney prior to
 admitting to any illegal drug use. It may be that any admissions you give
 to the VA could be used against you. There are rules that can protect your
 conversations with doctors...but these are a bit complex and its better to
 err on the side of caution, rather than to give a statement that could be
 used to prosecute you.


 And, PRIOR to taking any action that would take away your benefits, the VA
 is required to give you notice and the opportunity to be heard on the
 matter. So if that happens, I would seek legal counsel.

 Hope that helps



 Please let me know if you have further questions; if so I will do my best
 to answer them. If not please hit the accept button, its the only way I get
 credit for my work.

 Terms and Conditions: By your continuing in this conversation with me, or
 by your clicking âAcceptâ, you are expressly agreeing to all of the
 following: (1) our communication is for entertainment purposes only; (2)
 you are not consulting me in my professional capacity as an attorney; (3)
 you do not seek to establish an attorney-client relationship with me, nor
 do I with you; (4) you will not rely on anything I say and you will obtain
 appropriate legal counsel via a traditional/office consultation with an
 attorney licensed to practice in the jurisdiction where your legal issue
 arises (and you may not use our communication to avoid taxpayer penalties
 imposed by the U.S. Dept. of Treasury); (5) by communicating with me in
 this public forum you are irrevocably waiving any right to privacy,
 confidentiality and attorney-client privilege concerning the matters
 discussed. You further separately declare that any payment made by you is
 not consideration for this contract, nor offered for any services rendered
 by me on your behalf, but rather is made in genuine admiration and respect
 for my desire to help others. If you do not agree with these terms and
 conditions, then you must advise me immediately.


 Expert:  P. Simmons replied 4 years ago.
 The VA can not incarcerate you. To be incarcerated you would need to be
 charged with a crime and taken to trial and convicted.

 However, if you admit to the VA your use of illegal drugs, they could
 report this to law enforcement. For example, in AZ its a criminal offense
 to use many illegal drugs.

 Here is the code in AZ for illegal use of marijuana.

 13-3405. Possession, use, production, sale or transportation of marijuana;
 classification

 A. A person shall not knowingly:

 1. Possess or use marijuana.

 2. Possess marijuana for sale.

 3. Produce marijuana.

 4. Transport for sale, import into this state or offer to transport for
 sale or import into this state, sell, transfer or offer to sell or transfer
 marijuana.

 B. A person who violates:

 1. Subsection A, paragraph 1 of this section involving an amount of
 marijuana not possessed for sale having a weight of less than two pounds is
 guilty of a class 6 felony.

 There are similar laws for other illegal drugs.


 So, its a good idea to not admit to use, or at least discuss with a local
 attorney prior to admitting to use.

 -Original Message-
 From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 7:47 PM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
 platform...


 Well, lookie here:

 http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/21cfr/21usc/844a.htm

 SUBCHAPTER I Ã¢â¬â CONTROL AND ENFORCEMENTPart D Ã¢â¬â Offenses And 
 Penalties
 ÃÂ§844a.
 Civil penalty for possession of small amounts of certain controlled
 substances

 See where it says civil?

 Do you understand the difference between civil and criminal?

 If I am not even accused of a crime, how can a federal agent enter my
 home, detain me, lay hands on me, rifle through my things, and steal some
 of my belongs, some of which weren't even guns?  Without a search warrant.
  Without an

RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


It's because it fits into Sam's fascist worldview fed by Fox News and folks
like Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh.  It doesn't matter what facts or the
volume of facts thrown at him, he will insist that this means the law is bad
then scream Benghazi.

Eric

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From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com] 
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2014 10:41 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
platform...


The Oregon exchange is certainly an abject failure. It was a large failure
on the part of the vendor (Oracle) and on management that did a crappy job
of monitoring the vendor and auditing their work (the Oregon Health
Authority). Plenty of blame to go around with a doubt.

But how does one flawed implementation point to a problem with the law? You
say most failed. That is bullshit. Oregon's failed. And now we are moving
things along to piggy back on the national exchange. This is not the first
IT project that has ever failed, nor the largest.  We need to learn from it,
without a doubt, but a failure of the IT project does indicate that the law
behind it is a failure. As noted by others, plenty of exchanges have worked
very well.

IT projects fail. Demand accountability (high level people have been fired
and Oracle is getting sued), learn from mistakes, recover the best you can,
and move forward.

Judah


On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 7:20 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote:


 Think it's saved any lives of people who couldn't get healthcare 
 before, or for conditions that weren't covered?
 á§


 On 31 May 2014 10:08, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:

 
  Just look at the VA scandal if you want to know what Obamacare will 
  look like when fully implemented.
  Didn't we just waste around $1 billion dollars trying to get the
 exchanges
  working and most failed. How's Oregon doing with their exchange?
 


 



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Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


the only person who mentioned Bush is you.

On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:

 So we're still blaming Bush for everything? The money is there for the VA,
 they just abuse it. Obamacare has no chance of being better.

 .


 On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 10:33 AM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com
 wrote:


 AS for the VA scandal, its more of a problem of facilities and access.
 Because of cuts and increased demands from 12 years of war (courtesy
 of your hero G. W. Bush) and over promising they don't have the space
 simply put. In the last 25 years the VA has built only one, that is
 ONE, new care facility. Compare that to the number built by for profit
 health care companies. If the VA had the same level of investment the
 scheduling scandal never would have happened. That said, its a
 systemic problem with the VA system, brought on by years of increasing
 demands on the system and trying to make increasingly fewer resources
 stretch to cover more and more. And still surveys show that the
 majority of vets are very satisfied with their VA care. Now imagine
 how well the VA could have done if the system had the right funding.
 At times its seems that this country is all for getting its soldiers
 wounded and messed up but isn't really concerned about afterwards.
 After all what's a few vets in comparison to the shiny new hangar
 queen F-35 LIghtning II that costs $142.6 million a piece.

 On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Just look at the VA scandal if you want to know what Obamacare will look
  like when fully implemented.
  Didn't we just waste around $1 billion dollars trying to get the
 exchanges
  working and most failed. How's Oregon doing with their exchange?
 
  .
 
 
  On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 1:05 AM, Eric Roberts 
  ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:
 
 
  ...and Sam...
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Jerry Milo Johnson [mailto:jmi...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 10:40 PM
  To: cf-community
  Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as
 a
  platform...
 
 
  difficult to lie.
 
  you greatly underestimate our political class.
 
 
  On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 11:26 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  
  
  
 http://www.californiahealthline.org/road-to-reform/2014/then-vs-now-ho
   w-dire-predictions-about-obamacare-mostly-didnt-come-to-pass?wpisrc=nl
   _wonk
  
   A tracker indicates that newly insured patients aren't overwhelming
   doctors.A batch of anecdotal reports suggests that hospitals'
   uncompensated care spending is falling.And a survey of physicians
   finds that -- while many doctors are upset about the law's added
   complexity -- they're generally happy with the pay that they're seeing
   through the ACA's new marketplace plans.
  
   I guess wants it actually starts working, it becomes very difficult to
   lie lol ^_^ á§
  
  
  
 
 
 
 
 
 



 

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Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


Only eight of those years are thanks to Bush.

If you don't want the job don't apply for it.  We're pretty deep into the
second term to still be blaming the last guy.

You are taking out your ass about the VA.

While the health care issues are regional, due to the way the VA is
organized, the problems on the benefits (VBA) side are equally insane, with
huge backlogs and major civil rights violations all over.

The surveys themselves are conducted internally, I have no faith in them
what so ever, this organization is riddled with inefficiency and corruption.

The rules are totally different for us, forever.  Your HIPPA protections
don't exist for us.  Our 4th and 5th amendment rights basically don't
exist, our private medical information, including therapy notes and shit,
is freely shared with federal law enforcement, without a warrant.  My
property has been stolen, without a warrant, my home searched, with out a
warrant.

I've been detained multiple times.  Local officers have lied to my
neighbors and told them I have warrants, but I haven't even been accused of
a crime.

I'm prohibited by law from maintaining gainful employment because I'm too
nutty to work, bit I'm denied ssdi based off doctors records that I smoke
pot.  So I don't get half of what I'm supposed to, and now in even being
refused medical care for staph and MRSA because my doctor screwed up my
meds and appointments, and lied in my record to cover her mistake.

It takes an average of 45-60 to see your primary care doctor here, longer
to get to a specialist, but you can't be scrolled for the specialist
without a referral from primary care, so you're looking at a four month
minimum wait to see a specialist.

Something a lot of outsiders miss is that the VA is scaled.  The vast
majority of people who have earned it don't use it, even those who do use
it mainly use it as part of their health care, and aren't rated and
disabled at all.

The real problems in the system begin when you are rated at 30% and they
start becoming involved in every aspect of your life.

The clinics are well funded, the medical staff is mainly top notch, with
the exception of the many foreign doctors, who often do not have the
empathy and cultural awareness this situation requires, and lack a respect
for the special nature if their customer base.  The main problem on the
health care side is in administrators.

The VA is the epitome of a federal bureaucracy run amok.  The
administrators are bitter, entitled, king term government employees who
know how hard it is to get fired.  It often seems add though there job is
denial of services, and it is.  This is an attitude that was fostered after
Vietnam die to large scale fraud by veterans and liars that has since been
stamped out.  Now it serves to save them money.

Many veterans refuse to use VA health care it other benefits due to the
Times and difficulties involved, and the impacts on the individual.  For
many years it's seemed like this has been a coordinated effort.

Christ the evil deranged domestic terrorist combat veteran is now a media
talking point, even if a statistical anomaly.


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Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


You said 12 years thanks to Bush
On Jun 1, 2014 2:58 PM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote:


 the only person who mentioned Bush is you.

 On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  So we're still blaming Bush for everything? The money is there for the
 VA,
  they just abuse it. Obamacare has no chance of being better.
 
  .
 
 
  On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 10:33 AM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
 
  AS for the VA scandal, its more of a problem of facilities and access.
  Because of cuts and increased demands from 12 years of war (courtesy
  of your hero G. W. Bush) and over promising they don't have the space
  simply put. In the last 25 years the VA has built only one, that is
  ONE, new care facility. Compare that to the number built by for profit
  health care companies. If the VA had the same level of investment the
  scheduling scandal never would have happened. That said, its a
  systemic problem with the VA system, brought on by years of increasing
  demands on the system and trying to make increasingly fewer resources
  stretch to cover more and more. And still surveys show that the
  majority of vets are very satisfied with their VA care. Now imagine
  how well the VA could have done if the system had the right funding.
  At times its seems that this country is all for getting its soldiers
  wounded and messed up but isn't really concerned about afterwards.
  After all what's a few vets in comparison to the shiny new hangar
  queen F-35 LIghtning II that costs $142.6 million a piece.
 
  On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   Just look at the VA scandal if you want to know what Obamacare will
 look
   like when fully implemented.
   Didn't we just waste around $1 billion dollars trying to get the
  exchanges
   working and most failed. How's Oregon doing with their exchange?
  
   .
  
  
   On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 1:05 AM, Eric Roberts 
   ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:
  
  
   ...and Sam...
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Jerry Milo Johnson [mailto:jmi...@gmail.com]
   Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 10:40 PM
   To: cf-community
   Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform
 as
  a
   platform...
  
  
   difficult to lie.
  
   you greatly underestimate our political class.
  
  
   On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 11:26 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   
   
   
  http://www.californiahealthline.org/road-to-reform/2014/then-vs-now-ho
   
 w-dire-predictions-about-obamacare-mostly-didnt-come-to-pass?wpisrc=nl
_wonk
   
A tracker indicates that newly insured patients aren't
 overwhelming
doctors.A batch of anecdotal reports suggests that hospitals'
uncompensated care spending is falling.And a survey of physicians
finds that -- while many doctors are upset about the law's added
complexity -- they're generally happy with the pay that they're
 seeing
through the ACA's new marketplace plans.
   
I guess wants it actually starts working, it becomes very
 difficult to
lie lol ^_^ á§
   
   
   
  
  
  
  
  
  
 
 
 
 

 

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Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


my bad I didn't read enough I did mention Shrubbery.

That said, think of it genius, what happens when

1) your guys are shot at more don't a few get hit?
2) with more people getting wounded don't you think that would result
in greater demands on the system Just a wild guess on my part however.
3) Facing IED's and similar forms of attack, that means more leg and
arm injuries. Also the pressure wave does a number on the brain - As
someone a bit familiar with neuroanatomy I think I can guess the
effect of a blast wave on the brain would not be good. Ergo increased
use.
4) Congress has widened coverage eligibility quite a lot in the last
10 years for VA care. Don't you think that would increase demand.
5) The VA has opened only ONE new hospital in the last 25 years.

So yes there has been a massive demand on the VA medical system much
due to George W. Bush's wars. And your republican party has blocked
increases in VA funding multiple times over the last 5 years. So if
anything the blame is on the Republicans.

On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote:
 the only person who mentioned Bush is you.

 On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:

 So we're still blaming Bush for everything? The money is there for the VA,
 they just abuse it. Obamacare has no chance of being better.

 .


 On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 10:33 AM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com
 wrote:


 AS for the VA scandal, its more of a problem of facilities and access.
 Because of cuts and increased demands from 12 years of war (courtesy
 of your hero G. W. Bush) and over promising they don't have the space
 simply put. In the last 25 years the VA has built only one, that is
 ONE, new care facility. Compare that to the number built by for profit
 health care companies. If the VA had the same level of investment the
 scheduling scandal never would have happened. That said, its a
 systemic problem with the VA system, brought on by years of increasing
 demands on the system and trying to make increasingly fewer resources
 stretch to cover more and more. And still surveys show that the
 majority of vets are very satisfied with their VA care. Now imagine
 how well the VA could have done if the system had the right funding.
 At times its seems that this country is all for getting its soldiers
 wounded and messed up but isn't really concerned about afterwards.
 After all what's a few vets in comparison to the shiny new hangar
 queen F-35 LIghtning II that costs $142.6 million a piece.

 On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Just look at the VA scandal if you want to know what Obamacare will look
  like when fully implemented.
  Didn't we just waste around $1 billion dollars trying to get the
 exchanges
  working and most failed. How's Oregon doing with their exchange?
 
  .
 
 
  On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 1:05 AM, Eric Roberts 
  ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:
 
 
  ...and Sam...
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Jerry Milo Johnson [mailto:jmi...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 10:40 PM
  To: cf-community
  Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as
 a
  platform...
 
 
  difficult to lie.
 
  you greatly underestimate our political class.
 
 
  On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 11:26 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  
  
  
 http://www.californiahealthline.org/road-to-reform/2014/then-vs-now-ho
   w-dire-predictions-about-obamacare-mostly-didnt-come-to-pass?wpisrc=nl
   _wonk
  
   A tracker indicates that newly insured patients aren't overwhelming
   doctors.A batch of anecdotal reports suggests that hospitals'
   uncompensated care spending is falling.And a survey of physicians
   finds that -- while many doctors are upset about the law's added
   complexity -- they're generally happy with the pay that they're seeing
   through the ACA's new marketplace plans.
  
   I guess wants it actually starts working, it becomes very difficult to
   lie lol ^_^ á§
  
  
  
 
 
 
 
 
 



 

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Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


Fascist is too much. Sam is no Fascist. He's too civilized for that.
He may be at the right wing end of this group, but he's no fascist.

On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Eric Roberts
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:

 It's because it fits into Sam's fascist worldview fed by Fox News and folks
 like Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh.  It doesn't matter what facts or the
 volume of facts thrown at him, he will insist that this means the law is bad
 then scream Benghazi.

 Eric

 -Original Message-
 From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com]
 Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2014 10:41 PM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
 platform...


 The Oregon exchange is certainly an abject failure. It was a large failure
 on the part of the vendor (Oracle) and on management that did a crappy job
 of monitoring the vendor and auditing their work (the Oregon Health
 Authority). Plenty of blame to go around with a doubt.

 But how does one flawed implementation point to a problem with the law? You
 say most failed. That is bullshit. Oregon's failed. And now we are moving
 things along to piggy back on the national exchange. This is not the first
 IT project that has ever failed, nor the largest.  We need to learn from it,
 without a doubt, but a failure of the IT project does indicate that the law
 behind it is a failure. As noted by others, plenty of exchanges have worked
 very well.

 IT projects fail. Demand accountability (high level people have been fired
 and Oracle is getting sued), learn from mistakes, recover the best you can,
 and move forward.

 Judah


 On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 7:20 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote:


 Think it's saved any lives of people who couldn't get healthcare
 before, or for conditions that weren't covered?
 á§


 On 31 May 2014 10:08, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:

 
  Just look at the VA scandal if you want to know what Obamacare will
  look like when fully implemented.
  Didn't we just waste around $1 billion dollars trying to get the
 exchanges
  working and most failed. How's Oregon doing with their exchange?
 






 

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RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


Really, your emergency room isn't required to treat by law like every other
one in America?

Plus you said you were 20% that means you pay a co pay and stuff, and how
far away you were.  You went through the process in between wars, and
you've worked for most of that time and had other health care options,
correct?

On May 31, 2014 5:19 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
wrote:


 Yup...if it wasn't for the VA...I would have died long time ago due to
 complications of diabetes


 -Original Message-
 From: Vivec [mailto:gel21...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2014 9:20 AM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
 platform...


 Think it's saved any lives of people who couldn't get healthcare before,
or
 for conditions that weren't covered?
 á§


 On 31 May 2014 10:08, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:

 
  Just look at the VA scandal if you want to know what Obamacare will
  look like when fully implemented.
  Didn't we just waste around $1 billion dollars trying to get the
  exchanges working and most failed. How's Oregon doing with their
exchange?
 




 

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Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


As there are less people actually insured now?
On May 31, 2014 10:21 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote:


 Think it's saved any lives of people who couldn't get healthcare before, or
 for conditions that weren't covered?
 á§


 On 31 May 2014 10:08, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:

 
  Just look at the VA scandal if you want to know what Obamacare will look
  like when fully implemented.
  Didn't we just waste around $1 billion dollars trying to get the
 exchanges
  working and most failed. How's Oregon doing with their exchange?
 


 

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RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


He was asking about obamacare
On May 31, 2014 5:19 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
wrote:


 Yup...if it wasn't for the VA...I would have died long time ago due to
 complications of diabetes


 -Original Message-
 From: Vivec [mailto:gel21...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2014 9:20 AM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
 platform...


 Think it's saved any lives of people who couldn't get healthcare before, or
 for conditions that weren't covered?
 á§


 On 31 May 2014 10:08, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:

 
  Just look at the VA scandal if you want to know what Obamacare will
  look like when fully implemented.
  Didn't we just waste around $1 billion dollars trying to get the
  exchanges working and most failed. How's Oregon doing with their
 exchange?
 




 

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RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


You're insane.

That's one of the most ridiculous things I've read you write.
On May 31, 2014 5:21 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
wrote:


 Exactly.  I think it has done quite well given the hand it was dealt.  The
 secret waiting lists were an unconscionable violation of our trust, but
 efforts to improve the VA with adequate funding had a lot to do with that.

 -Original Message-
 From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:larrycly...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2014 9:33 AM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
 platform...


 AS for the VA scandal, its more of a problem of facilities and access.
 Because of cuts and increased demands from 12 years of war (courtesy of
 your
 hero G. W. Bush) and over promising they don't have the space simply put.
 In
 the last 25 years the VA has built only one, that is ONE, new care
 facility.
 Compare that to the number built by for profit health care companies. If
 the
 VA had the same level of investment the scheduling scandal never would have
 happened. That said, its a systemic problem with the VA system, brought on
 by years of increasing demands on the system and trying to make
 increasingly
 fewer resources stretch to cover more and more. And still surveys show that
 the majority of vets are very satisfied with their VA care. Now imagine how
 well the VA could have done if the system had the right funding.
 At times its seems that this country is all for getting its soldiers
 wounded
 and messed up but isn't really concerned about afterwards.
 After all what's a few vets in comparison to the shiny new hangar queen
 F-35
 LIghtning II that costs $142.6 million a piece.

 On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Just look at the VA scandal if you want to know what Obamacare will
  look like when fully implemented.
  Didn't we just waste around $1 billion dollars trying to get the
  exchanges working and most failed. How's Oregon doing with their
 exchange?
 
  .
 
 
  On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 1:05 AM, Eric Roberts 
  ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:
 
 
  ...and Sam...
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Jerry Milo Johnson [mailto:jmi...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 10:40 PM
  To: cf-community
  Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform
  as a platform...
 
 
  difficult to lie.
 
  you greatly underestimate our political class.
 
 
  On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 11:26 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  
  
   http://www.californiahealthline.org/road-to-reform/2014/then-vs-now
   -ho
   w-dire-predictions-about-obamacare-mostly-didnt-come-to-pass?wpisrc
   =nl
   _wonk
  
   A tracker indicates that newly insured patients aren't
   overwhelming doctors.A batch of anecdotal reports suggests that
 hospitals'
   uncompensated care spending is falling.And a survey of physicians
   finds that -- while many doctors are upset about the law's added
   complexity -- they're generally happy with the pay that they're
   seeing through the ACA's new marketplace plans.
  
   I guess wants it actually starts working, it becomes very difficult
   to lie lol ^_^ á§
  
  
  
 
 
 
 
 
 



 

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RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


That the law is bad is evidenced by the fact that there are less people now
insured than there were before the law took effect.  It was demonstrated in
the abject failure of the launch of the registration, the rising costs, how
can people defend this crap?
On Jun 1, 2014 2:32 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
wrote:


 It's because it fits into Sam's fascist worldview fed by Fox News and folks
 like Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh.  It doesn't matter what facts or the
 volume of facts thrown at him, he will insist that this means the law is
 bad
 then scream Benghazi.

 Eric

 -Original Message-
 From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com]
 Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2014 10:41 PM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
 platform...


 The Oregon exchange is certainly an abject failure. It was a large failure
 on the part of the vendor (Oracle) and on management that did a crappy job
 of monitoring the vendor and auditing their work (the Oregon Health
 Authority). Plenty of blame to go around with a doubt.

 But how does one flawed implementation point to a problem with the law? You
 say most failed. That is bullshit. Oregon's failed. And now we are moving
 things along to piggy back on the national exchange. This is not the first
 IT project that has ever failed, nor the largest.  We need to learn from
 it,
 without a doubt, but a failure of the IT project does indicate that the law
 behind it is a failure. As noted by others, plenty of exchanges have worked
 very well.

 IT projects fail. Demand accountability (high level people have been fired
 and Oracle is getting sued), learn from mistakes, recover the best you can,
 and move forward.

 Judah


 On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 7:20 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote:

 
  Think it's saved any lives of people who couldn't get healthcare
  before, or for conditions that weren't covered?
  á§
 
 
  On 31 May 2014 10:08, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  
   Just look at the VA scandal if you want to know what Obamacare will
   look like when fully implemented.
   Didn't we just waste around $1 billion dollars trying to get the
  exchanges
   working and most failed. How's Oregon doing with their exchange?
  
 
 
 



 

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The VA has existed longer than 25 years and had Eisenhower style properties
all over the nation.

They've chosen to only build one hospital, but have built tons of
versatility clinics all over so they don't have to let you get private
health care, because there is a mileage limit.

The blame is on everyone, but mainly the God damned institution and the
government service slugs who populate its hallways.  The insane regulatory
over sight and administrative costs.  Why not just insurance?  Tricare or
whatever?
On Jun 1, 2014 3:05 PM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote:


 my bad I didn't read enough I did mention Shrubbery.

 That said, think of it genius, what happens when

 1) your guys are shot at more don't a few get hit?
 2) with more people getting wounded don't you think that would result
 in greater demands on the system Just a wild guess on my part however.
 3) Facing IED's and similar forms of attack, that means more leg and
 arm injuries. Also the pressure wave does a number on the brain - As
 someone a bit familiar with neuroanatomy I think I can guess the
 effect of a blast wave on the brain would not be good. Ergo increased
 use.
 4) Congress has widened coverage eligibility quite a lot in the last
 10 years for VA care. Don't you think that would increase demand.
 5) The VA has opened only ONE new hospital in the last 25 years.

 So yes there has been a massive demand on the VA medical system much
 due to George W. Bush's wars. And your republican party has blocked
 increases in VA funding multiple times over the last 5 years. So if
 anything the blame is on the Republicans.

 On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  the only person who mentioned Bush is you.
 
  On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  So we're still blaming Bush for everything? The money is there for the
 VA,
  they just abuse it. Obamacare has no chance of being better.
 
  .
 
 
  On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 10:33 AM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com
 
  wrote:
 
 
  AS for the VA scandal, its more of a problem of facilities and access.
  Because of cuts and increased demands from 12 years of war (courtesy
  of your hero G. W. Bush) and over promising they don't have the space
  simply put. In the last 25 years the VA has built only one, that is
  ONE, new care facility. Compare that to the number built by for profit
  health care companies. If the VA had the same level of investment the
  scheduling scandal never would have happened. That said, its a
  systemic problem with the VA system, brought on by years of increasing
  demands on the system and trying to make increasingly fewer resources
  stretch to cover more and more. And still surveys show that the
  majority of vets are very satisfied with their VA care. Now imagine
  how well the VA could have done if the system had the right funding.
  At times its seems that this country is all for getting its soldiers
  wounded and messed up but isn't really concerned about afterwards.
  After all what's a few vets in comparison to the shiny new hangar
  queen F-35 LIghtning II that costs $142.6 million a piece.
 
  On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   Just look at the VA scandal if you want to know what Obamacare will
 look
   like when fully implemented.
   Didn't we just waste around $1 billion dollars trying to get the
  exchanges
   working and most failed. How's Oregon doing with their exchange?
  
   .
  
  
   On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 1:05 AM, Eric Roberts 
   ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:
  
  
   ...and Sam...
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Jerry Milo Johnson [mailto:jmi...@gmail.com]
   Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 10:40 PM
   To: cf-community
   Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare
 reform as
  a
   platform...
  
  
   difficult to lie.
  
   you greatly underestimate our political class.
  
  
   On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 11:26 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   
   
   
  http://www.californiahealthline.org/road-to-reform/2014/then-vs-now-ho
   
 w-dire-predictions-about-obamacare-mostly-didnt-come-to-pass?wpisrc=nl
_wonk
   
A tracker indicates that newly insured patients aren't
 overwhelming
doctors.A batch of anecdotal reports suggests that hospitals'
uncompensated care spending is falling.And a survey of physicians
finds that -- while many doctors are upset about the law's added
complexity -- they're generally happy with the pay that they're
 seeing
through the ACA's new marketplace plans.
   
I guess wants it actually starts working, it becomes very
 difficult to
lie lol ^_^ á§
   
   
   
  
  
  
  
  
  
 
 
 
 

 

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RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


Bullshit Tim.  You have only been experiencing the VA for a couple of years.
I first started going to the VA when Clinton was in office.  I saw firsthand
how it nosedived from day one of the Bush Administration and it fell
deep...much like our economy fell deep thanks to him.  Not only did Bush
rape the funding for the VA, which would have caused some problems on their
own, with the introduction of 2 wars, he also exponentially increased the
number of people relying on the VA for services.  Add to that the rape of
the economy which added even more burden to the VA, I am surprised we get as
good of a service as we do out of the VA.  Quit whining that you are getting
denied shit because you broke the law.  While I disagree with pot being
illegal...if you want to break the law and use it anyway, then that is on
you and you alone.  Take responsibility for your own actions.  You are not
prohibited by law from maintaining gainful employment.  You will lose some
of the free benefits if you reach a certain income level.  You are not being
denied shit.  I am also going to call bullshit on being denied medical care.
You cannot be refused medical care.  That is illegal.  All veterans are
eligible for care at the VA...you do not have to be rated or disabled.  The
scale it based on whether or not you are disabled and sevice connected and
if not, then it is based on income on what you have to pay as far as copays
for visits and prescriptions.


Eric

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 2:02 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
platform...


Only eight of those years are thanks to Bush.

If you don't want the job don't apply for it.  We're pretty deep into the
second term to still be blaming the last guy.

You are taking out your ass about the VA.

While the health care issues are regional, due to the way the VA is
organized, the problems on the benefits (VBA) side are equally insane, with
huge backlogs and major civil rights violations all over.

The surveys themselves are conducted internally, I have no faith in them
what so ever, this organization is riddled with inefficiency and corruption.

The rules are totally different for us, forever.  Your HIPPA protections
don't exist for us.  Our 4th and 5th amendment rights basically don't exist,
our private medical information, including therapy notes and shit, is freely
shared with federal law enforcement, without a warrant.  My property has
been stolen, without a warrant, my home searched, with out a warrant.

I've been detained multiple times.  Local officers have lied to my neighbors
and told them I have warrants, but I haven't even been accused of a crime.

I'm prohibited by law from maintaining gainful employment because I'm too
nutty to work, bit I'm denied ssdi based off doctors records that I smoke
pot.  So I don't get half of what I'm supposed to, and now in even being
refused medical care for staph and MRSA because my doctor screwed up my meds
and appointments, and lied in my record to cover her mistake.

It takes an average of 45-60 to see your primary care doctor here, longer to
get to a specialist, but you can't be scrolled for the specialist without a
referral from primary care, so you're looking at a four month minimum wait
to see a specialist.

Something a lot of outsiders miss is that the VA is scaled.  The vast
majority of people who have earned it don't use it, even those who do use it
mainly use it as part of their health care, and aren't rated and disabled at
all.

The real problems in the system begin when you are rated at 30% and they
start becoming involved in every aspect of your life.

The clinics are well funded, the medical staff is mainly top notch, with the
exception of the many foreign doctors, who often do not have the empathy and
cultural awareness this situation requires, and lack a respect for the
special nature if their customer base.  The main problem on the health care
side is in administrators.

The VA is the epitome of a federal bureaucracy run amok.  The administrators
are bitter, entitled, king term government employees who know how hard it is
to get fired.  It often seems add though there job is denial of services,
and it is.  This is an attitude that was fostered after Vietnam die to large
scale fraud by veterans and liars that has since been stamped out.  Now it
serves to save them money.

Many veterans refuse to use VA health care it other benefits due to the
Times and difficulties involved, and the impacts on the individual.  For
many years it's seemed like this has been a coordinated effort.

Christ the evil deranged domestic terrorist combat veteran is now a media
talking point, even if a statistical anomaly.




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RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...

Not all fascists are like Hitler.

-Original Message-
From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:larrycly...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 2:06 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
platform...

Fascist is too much. Sam is no Fascist. He's too civilized for that.
He may be at the right wing end of this group, but he's no fascist.

On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Eric Roberts
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:

 It's because it fits into Sam's fascist worldview fed by Fox News and 
 folks like Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh.  It doesn't matter what facts 
 or the volume of facts thrown at him, he will insist that this means 
 the law is bad then scream Benghazi.

 Eric

 -Original Message-
 From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com]
 Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2014 10:41 PM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform 
 as a platform...

 The Oregon exchange is certainly an abject failure. It was a large 
 failure on the part of the vendor (Oracle) and on management that did 
 a crappy job of monitoring the vendor and auditing their work (the 
 Oregon Health Authority). Plenty of blame to go around with a doubt.

 But how does one flawed implementation point to a problem with the 
 law? You say most failed. That is bullshit. Oregon's failed. And now 
 we are moving things along to piggy back on the national exchange. 
 This is not the first IT project that has ever failed, nor the 
 largest.  We need to learn from it, without a doubt, but a failure of 
 the IT project does indicate that the law behind it is a failure. As 
 noted by others, plenty of exchanges have worked very well.

 IT projects fail. Demand accountability (high level people have been 
 fired and Oracle is getting sued), learn from mistakes, recover the 
 best you can, and move forward.

 Judah

 On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 7:20 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote:

 Think it's saved any lives of people who couldn't get healthcare 
 before, or for conditions that weren't covered?
 á§

 On 31 May 2014 10:08, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:

  Just look at the VA scandal if you want to know what Obamacare will 
  look like when fully implemented.
  Didn't we just waste around $1 billion dollars trying to get the
 exchanges
  working and most failed. How's Oregon doing with their exchange?

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RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


Er only stabilizes you...they do not treat you or give you the meds you need
to maintain health.  Anyone that thinks the ER does this is way out of touch
with reality...\


Most of the past 15 years have been contract work, so no...I had no benefits
and because I have diabetes and asthma, no insurance company would insure me
on my own.

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 2:07 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
platform...


Really, your emergency room isn't required to treat by law like every other
one in America?

Plus you said you were 20% that means you pay a co pay and stuff, and how
far away you were.  You went through the process in between wars, and you've
worked for most of that time and had other health care options, correct?

On May 31, 2014 5:19 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
wrote:


 Yup...if it wasn't for the VA...I would have died long time ago due to 
 complications of diabetes


 -Original Message-
 From: Vivec [mailto:gel21...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2014 9:20 AM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform 
 as a platform...


 Think it's saved any lives of people who couldn't get healthcare 
 before,
or
 for conditions that weren't covered?
 á§


 On 31 May 2014 10:08, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:

 
  Just look at the VA scandal if you want to know what Obamacare will 
  look like when fully implemented.
  Didn't we just waste around $1 billion dollars trying to get the 
  exchanges working and most failed. How's Oregon doing with their
exchange?
 




 



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RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...

Keep parroting Fox news Tim...

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 2:14 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
platform...

That the law is bad is evidenced by the fact that there are less people now
insured than there were before the law took effect.  It was demonstrated in
the abject failure of the launch of the registration, the rising costs, how
can people defend this crap?
On Jun 1, 2014 2:32 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
wrote:

 It's because it fits into Sam's fascist worldview fed by Fox News and 
 folks like Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh.  It doesn't matter what facts 
 or the volume of facts thrown at him, he will insist that this means 
 the law is bad then scream Benghazi.

 Eric

 -Original Message-
 From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com]
 Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2014 10:41 PM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform 
 as a platform...

 The Oregon exchange is certainly an abject failure. It was a large 
 failure on the part of the vendor (Oracle) and on management that did 
 a crappy job of monitoring the vendor and auditing their work (the 
 Oregon Health Authority). Plenty of blame to go around with a doubt.

 But how does one flawed implementation point to a problem with the 
 law? You say most failed. That is bullshit. Oregon's failed. And now 
 we are moving things along to piggy back on the national exchange. 
 This is not the first IT project that has ever failed, nor the 
 largest.  We need to learn from it, without a doubt, but a failure of 
 the IT project does indicate that the law behind it is a failure. As 
 noted by others, plenty of exchanges have worked very well.

 IT projects fail. Demand accountability (high level people have been 
 fired and Oracle is getting sued), learn from mistakes, recover the 
 best you can, and move forward.

 Judah

 On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 7:20 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote:

  Think it's saved any lives of people who couldn't get healthcare 
  before, or for conditions that weren't covered?
  á§

  On 31 May 2014 10:08, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:

   Just look at the VA scandal if you want to know what Obamacare 
   will look like when fully implemented.
   Didn't we just waste around $1 billion dollars trying to get the
  exchanges
   working and most failed. How's Oregon doing with their exchange?

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RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...

Yeah...coming from the guy who is actually in therapy...

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 2:11 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
platform...

You're insane.

That's one of the most ridiculous things I've read you write.
On May 31, 2014 5:21 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
wrote:

 Exactly.  I think it has done quite well given the hand it was dealt.  
 The secret waiting lists were an unconscionable violation of our 
 trust, but efforts to improve the VA with adequate funding had a lot to do
with that.

 -Original Message-
 From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:larrycly...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2014 9:33 AM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform 
 as a platform...

 AS for the VA scandal, its more of a problem of facilities and access.
 Because of cuts and increased demands from 12 years of war (courtesy 
 of your hero G. W. Bush) and over promising they don't have the space 
 simply put.
 In
 the last 25 years the VA has built only one, that is ONE, new care 
 facility.
 Compare that to the number built by for profit health care companies. 
 If the VA had the same level of investment the scheduling scandal 
 never would have happened. That said, its a systemic problem with the 
 VA system, brought on by years of increasing demands on the system and 
 trying to make increasingly fewer resources stretch to cover more and 
 more. And still surveys show that the majority of vets are very 
 satisfied with their VA care. Now imagine how well the VA could have 
 done if the system had the right funding.
 At times its seems that this country is all for getting its soldiers 
 wounded and messed up but isn't really concerned about afterwards.
 After all what's a few vets in comparison to the shiny new hangar 
 queen
 F-35
 LIghtning II that costs $142.6 million a piece.

 On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:

  Just look at the VA scandal if you want to know what Obamacare will 
  look like when fully implemented.
  Didn't we just waste around $1 billion dollars trying to get the 
  exchanges working and most failed. How's Oregon doing with their
 exchange?

  .

  On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 1:05 AM, Eric Roberts  
  ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:

  ...and Sam...

  -Original Message-
  From: Jerry Milo Johnson [mailto:jmi...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 10:40 PM
  To: cf-community
  Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare 
  reform as a platform...

  difficult to lie.

  you greatly underestimate our political class.

  On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 11:26 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote:

   http://www.californiahealthline.org/road-to-reform/2014/then-vs-n
   ow
   -ho
   w-dire-predictions-about-obamacare-mostly-didnt-come-to-pass?wpis
   rc
   =nl
   _wonk

   A tracker indicates that newly insured patients aren't 
   overwhelming doctors.A batch of anecdotal reports suggests that
 hospitals'
   uncompensated care spending is falling.And a survey of physicians 
   finds that -- while many doctors are upset about the law's added 
   complexity -- they're generally happy with the pay that they're 
   seeing through the ACA's new marketplace plans.

   I guess wants it actually starts working, it becomes very 
   difficult to lie lol ^_^ á§

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AS much as I personally dislike Sam's ideology, his ideology simply
does not fit within the definitions of fascism as noted here:
http://www.rense.com/general37/char.htm

At his worse, its simply on the extreme end of the Republican
spectrum. When I was younger and in London I remember kicking a few
fascists to the curb. He's nothing like that. I could even have a beer
with Sam. Provided it was something decent that is.

On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Eric Roberts
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:

 Not all fascists are like Hitler.

 -Original Message-
 From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:larrycly...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 2:06 PM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
 platform...


 Fascist is too much. Sam is no Fascist. He's too civilized for that.
 He may be at the right wing end of this group, but he's no fascist.

 On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Eric Roberts
 ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:

 It's because it fits into Sam's fascist worldview fed by Fox News and
 folks like Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh.  It doesn't matter what facts
 or the volume of facts thrown at him, he will insist that this means
 the law is bad then scream Benghazi.

 Eric

 -Original Message-
 From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com]
 Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2014 10:41 PM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform
 as a platform...


 The Oregon exchange is certainly an abject failure. It was a large
 failure on the part of the vendor (Oracle) and on management that did
 a crappy job of monitoring the vendor and auditing their work (the
 Oregon Health Authority). Plenty of blame to go around with a doubt.

 But how does one flawed implementation point to a problem with the
 law? You say most failed. That is bullshit. Oregon's failed. And now
 we are moving things along to piggy back on the national exchange.
 This is not the first IT project that has ever failed, nor the
 largest.  We need to learn from it, without a doubt, but a failure of
 the IT project does indicate that the law behind it is a failure. As
 noted by others, plenty of exchanges have worked very well.

 IT projects fail. Demand accountability (high level people have been
 fired and Oracle is getting sued), learn from mistakes, recover the
 best you can, and move forward.

 Judah


 On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 7:20 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote:


 Think it's saved any lives of people who couldn't get healthcare
 before, or for conditions that weren't covered?
 á§


 On 31 May 2014 10:08, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:

 
  Just look at the VA scandal if you want to know what Obamacare will
  look like when fully implemented.
  Didn't we just waste around $1 billion dollars trying to get the
 exchanges
  working and most failed. How's Oregon doing with their exchange?
 










 

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RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


I am prohibited by law from maintaining gainful employment

http://www.benefits.va.gov/compensation/claims-special-individual_unemployability.asp
On Jun 1, 2014 5:07 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
wrote:


 Bullshit Tim.  You have only been experiencing the VA for a couple of
 years.
 I first started going to the VA when Clinton was in office.  I saw
 firsthand
 how it nosedived from day one of the Bush Administration and it fell
 deep...much like our economy fell deep thanks to him.  Not only did Bush
 rape the funding for the VA, which would have caused some problems on their
 own, with the introduction of 2 wars, he also exponentially increased the
 number of people relying on the VA for services.  Add to that the rape of
 the economy which added even more burden to the VA, I am surprised we get
 as
 good of a service as we do out of the VA.  Quit whining that you are
 getting
 denied shit because you broke the law.  While I disagree with pot being
 illegal...if you want to break the law and use it anyway, then that is on
 you and you alone.  Take responsibility for your own actions.  You are not
 prohibited by law from maintaining gainful employment.  You will lose some
 of the free benefits if you reach a certain income level.  You are not
 being
 denied shit.  I am also going to call bullshit on being denied medical
 care.
 You cannot be refused medical care.  That is illegal.  All veterans are
 eligible for care at the VA...you do not have to be rated or disabled.  The
 scale it based on whether or not you are disabled and sevice connected and
 if not, then it is based on income on what you have to pay as far as copays
 for visits and prescriptions.


 Eric

 -Original Message-
 From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 2:02 PM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
 platform...


 Only eight of those years are thanks to Bush.

 If you don't want the job don't apply for it.  We're pretty deep into the
 second term to still be blaming the last guy.

 You are taking out your ass about the VA.

 While the health care issues are regional, due to the way the VA is
 organized, the problems on the benefits (VBA) side are equally insane, with
 huge backlogs and major civil rights violations all over.

 The surveys themselves are conducted internally, I have no faith in them
 what so ever, this organization is riddled with inefficiency and
 corruption.

 The rules are totally different for us, forever.  Your HIPPA protections
 don't exist for us.  Our 4th and 5th amendment rights basically don't
 exist,
 our private medical information, including therapy notes and shit, is
 freely
 shared with federal law enforcement, without a warrant.  My property has
 been stolen, without a warrant, my home searched, with out a warrant.

 I've been detained multiple times.  Local officers have lied to my
 neighbors
 and told them I have warrants, but I haven't even been accused of a crime.

 I'm prohibited by law from maintaining gainful employment because I'm too
 nutty to work, bit I'm denied ssdi based off doctors records that I smoke
 pot.  So I don't get half of what I'm supposed to, and now in even being
 refused medical care for staph and MRSA because my doctor screwed up my
 meds
 and appointments, and lied in my record to cover her mistake.

 It takes an average of 45-60 to see your primary care doctor here, longer
 to
 get to a specialist, but you can't be scrolled for the specialist without a
 referral from primary care, so you're looking at a four month minimum wait
 to see a specialist.

 Something a lot of outsiders miss is that the VA is scaled.  The vast
 majority of people who have earned it don't use it, even those who do use
 it
 mainly use it as part of their health care, and aren't rated and disabled
 at
 all.

 The real problems in the system begin when you are rated at 30% and they
 start becoming involved in every aspect of your life.

 The clinics are well funded, the medical staff is mainly top notch, with
 the
 exception of the many foreign doctors, who often do not have the empathy
 and
 cultural awareness this situation requires, and lack a respect for the
 special nature if their customer base.  The main problem on the health care
 side is in administrators.

 The VA is the epitome of a federal bureaucracy run amok.  The
 administrators
 are bitter, entitled, king term government employees who know how hard it
 is
 to get fired.  It often seems add though there job is denial of services,
 and it is.  This is an attitude that was fostered after Vietnam die to
 large
 scale fraud by veterans and liars that has since been stamped out.  Now it
 serves to save them money.

 Many veterans refuse to use VA health care it other benefits due to the
 Times and difficulties involved, and the impacts on the individual.  For
 many years it's seemed like this has been a coordinated effort.

RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


What law is pot break in Ohio?

It doesn't.

What law am I breaking federally?

I'm not, use is not illegal, so you tell me, what the fuck did I do wrong?

You forget I enlisted and got out under Clinton too.

Pot in Ohio has been decriminalized, it's an infraction, not a crime.  As
I'm not going across state borders the federal government should have
nothing to say about it, and doesn't provided I'm not possessing at
distribution levels.

I haven't been accused or convicted of a God damned thing.
On Jun 1, 2014 5:07 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
wrote:


 Bullshit Tim.  You have only been experiencing the VA for a couple of
 years.
 I first started going to the VA when Clinton was in office.  I saw
 firsthand
 how it nosedived from day one of the Bush Administration and it fell
 deep...much like our economy fell deep thanks to him.  Not only did Bush
 rape the funding for the VA, which would have caused some problems on their
 own, with the introduction of 2 wars, he also exponentially increased the
 number of people relying on the VA for services.  Add to that the rape of
 the economy which added even more burden to the VA, I am surprised we get
 as
 good of a service as we do out of the VA.  Quit whining that you are
 getting
 denied shit because you broke the law.  While I disagree with pot being
 illegal...if you want to break the law and use it anyway, then that is on
 you and you alone.  Take responsibility for your own actions.  You are not
 prohibited by law from maintaining gainful employment.  You will lose some
 of the free benefits if you reach a certain income level.  You are not
 being
 denied shit.  I am also going to call bullshit on being denied medical
 care.
 You cannot be refused medical care.  That is illegal.  All veterans are
 eligible for care at the VA...you do not have to be rated or disabled.  The
 scale it based on whether or not you are disabled and sevice connected and
 if not, then it is based on income on what you have to pay as far as copays
 for visits and prescriptions.


 Eric

 -Original Message-
 From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 2:02 PM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
 platform...


 Only eight of those years are thanks to Bush.

 If you don't want the job don't apply for it.  We're pretty deep into the
 second term to still be blaming the last guy.

 You are taking out your ass about the VA.

 While the health care issues are regional, due to the way the VA is
 organized, the problems on the benefits (VBA) side are equally insane, with
 huge backlogs and major civil rights violations all over.

 The surveys themselves are conducted internally, I have no faith in them
 what so ever, this organization is riddled with inefficiency and
 corruption.

 The rules are totally different for us, forever.  Your HIPPA protections
 don't exist for us.  Our 4th and 5th amendment rights basically don't
 exist,
 our private medical information, including therapy notes and shit, is
 freely
 shared with federal law enforcement, without a warrant.  My property has
 been stolen, without a warrant, my home searched, with out a warrant.

 I've been detained multiple times.  Local officers have lied to my
 neighbors
 and told them I have warrants, but I haven't even been accused of a crime.

 I'm prohibited by law from maintaining gainful employment because I'm too
 nutty to work, bit I'm denied ssdi based off doctors records that I smoke
 pot.  So I don't get half of what I'm supposed to, and now in even being
 refused medical care for staph and MRSA because my doctor screwed up my
 meds
 and appointments, and lied in my record to cover her mistake.

 It takes an average of 45-60 to see your primary care doctor here, longer
 to
 get to a specialist, but you can't be scrolled for the specialist without a
 referral from primary care, so you're looking at a four month minimum wait
 to see a specialist.

 Something a lot of outsiders miss is that the VA is scaled.  The vast
 majority of people who have earned it don't use it, even those who do use
 it
 mainly use it as part of their health care, and aren't rated and disabled
 at
 all.

 The real problems in the system begin when you are rated at 30% and they
 start becoming involved in every aspect of your life.

 The clinics are well funded, the medical staff is mainly top notch, with
 the
 exception of the many foreign doctors, who often do not have the empathy
 and
 cultural awareness this situation requires, and lack a respect for the
 special nature if their customer base.  The main problem on the health care
 side is in administrators.

 The VA is the epitome of a federal bureaucracy run amok.  The
 administrators
 are bitter, entitled, king term government employees who know how hard it
 is
 to get fired.  It often seems add though there job is denial of services,
 and it is.  This is an attitude that was

RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


As for denial of medical care, think what you want, I've been escorted off
site more than once by VA police.  This layers time the doctor told me she
would not see me after I asked why she didn't give me refills of my
required antibiotics.  I've already dealt with the patient advocate and the
office of the inspector General.

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
On Jun 1, 2014 5:07 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
wrote:


 Bullshit Tim.  You have only been experiencing the VA for a couple of
 years.
 I first started going to the VA when Clinton was in office.  I saw
 firsthand
 how it nosedived from day one of the Bush Administration and it fell
 deep...much like our economy fell deep thanks to him.  Not only did Bush
 rape the funding for the VA, which would have caused some problems on their
 own, with the introduction of 2 wars, he also exponentially increased the
 number of people relying on the VA for services.  Add to that the rape of
 the economy which added even more burden to the VA, I am surprised we get
 as
 good of a service as we do out of the VA.  Quit whining that you are
 getting
 denied shit because you broke the law.  While I disagree with pot being
 illegal...if you want to break the law and use it anyway, then that is on
 you and you alone.  Take responsibility for your own actions.  You are not
 prohibited by law from maintaining gainful employment.  You will lose some
 of the free benefits if you reach a certain income level.  You are not
 being
 denied shit.  I am also going to call bullshit on being denied medical
 care.
 You cannot be refused medical care.  That is illegal.  All veterans are
 eligible for care at the VA...you do not have to be rated or disabled.  The
 scale it based on whether or not you are disabled and sevice connected and
 if not, then it is based on income on what you have to pay as far as copays
 for visits and prescriptions.


 Eric

 -Original Message-
 From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 2:02 PM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
 platform...


 Only eight of those years are thanks to Bush.

 If you don't want the job don't apply for it.  We're pretty deep into the
 second term to still be blaming the last guy.

 You are taking out your ass about the VA.

 While the health care issues are regional, due to the way the VA is
 organized, the problems on the benefits (VBA) side are equally insane, with
 huge backlogs and major civil rights violations all over.

 The surveys themselves are conducted internally, I have no faith in them
 what so ever, this organization is riddled with inefficiency and
 corruption.

 The rules are totally different for us, forever.  Your HIPPA protections
 don't exist for us.  Our 4th and 5th amendment rights basically don't
 exist,
 our private medical information, including therapy notes and shit, is
 freely
 shared with federal law enforcement, without a warrant.  My property has
 been stolen, without a warrant, my home searched, with out a warrant.

 I've been detained multiple times.  Local officers have lied to my
 neighbors
 and told them I have warrants, but I haven't even been accused of a crime.

 I'm prohibited by law from maintaining gainful employment because I'm too
 nutty to work, bit I'm denied ssdi based off doctors records that I smoke
 pot.  So I don't get half of what I'm supposed to, and now in even being
 refused medical care for staph and MRSA because my doctor screwed up my
 meds
 and appointments, and lied in my record to cover her mistake.

 It takes an average of 45-60 to see your primary care doctor here, longer
 to
 get to a specialist, but you can't be scrolled for the specialist without a
 referral from primary care, so you're looking at a four month minimum wait
 to see a specialist.

 Something a lot of outsiders miss is that the VA is scaled.  The vast
 majority of people who have earned it don't use it, even those who do use
 it
 mainly use it as part of their health care, and aren't rated and disabled
 at
 all.

 The real problems in the system begin when you are rated at 30% and they
 start becoming involved in every aspect of your life.

 The clinics are well funded, the medical staff is mainly top notch, with
 the
 exception of the many foreign doctors, who often do not have the empathy
 and
 cultural awareness this situation requires, and lack a respect for the
 special nature if their customer base.  The main problem on the health care
 side is in administrators.

 The VA is the epitome of a federal bureaucracy run amok.  The
 administrators
 are bitter, entitled, king term government employees who know how hard it
 is
 to get fired.  It often seems add though there job is denial of services,
 and it is.  This is an attitude that was fostered after Vietnam die to
 large
 scale fraud by veterans and liars that has since been stamped out.  Now it
 serves to

RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


No I'm not.

Although thanks for making the stereotype plainly obvious.
On Jun 1, 2014 5:10 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
wrote:


 Yeah...coming from the guy who is actually in therapy...

 -Original Message-
 From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 2:11 PM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
 platform...


 You're insane.

 That's one of the most ridiculous things I've read you write.
 On May 31, 2014 5:21 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
 wrote:

 
  Exactly.  I think it has done quite well given the hand it was dealt.
  The secret waiting lists were an unconscionable violation of our
  trust, but efforts to improve the VA with adequate funding had a lot to
 do
 with that.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:larrycly...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2014 9:33 AM
  To: cf-community
  Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform
  as a platform...
 
 
  AS for the VA scandal, its more of a problem of facilities and access.
  Because of cuts and increased demands from 12 years of war (courtesy
  of your hero G. W. Bush) and over promising they don't have the space
  simply put.
  In
  the last 25 years the VA has built only one, that is ONE, new care
  facility.
  Compare that to the number built by for profit health care companies.
  If the VA had the same level of investment the scheduling scandal
  never would have happened. That said, its a systemic problem with the
  VA system, brought on by years of increasing demands on the system and
  trying to make increasingly fewer resources stretch to cover more and
  more. And still surveys show that the majority of vets are very
  satisfied with their VA care. Now imagine how well the VA could have
  done if the system had the right funding.
  At times its seems that this country is all for getting its soldiers
  wounded and messed up but isn't really concerned about afterwards.
  After all what's a few vets in comparison to the shiny new hangar
  queen
  F-35
  LIghtning II that costs $142.6 million a piece.
 
  On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   Just look at the VA scandal if you want to know what Obamacare will
   look like when fully implemented.
   Didn't we just waste around $1 billion dollars trying to get the
   exchanges working and most failed. How's Oregon doing with their
  exchange?
  
   .
  
  
   On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 1:05 AM, Eric Roberts 
   ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:
  
  
   ...and Sam...
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Jerry Milo Johnson [mailto:jmi...@gmail.com]
   Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 10:40 PM
   To: cf-community
   Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare
   reform as a platform...
  
  
   difficult to lie.
  
   you greatly underestimate our political class.
  
  
   On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 11:26 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   
   
http://www.californiahealthline.org/road-to-reform/2014/then-vs-n
ow
-ho
w-dire-predictions-about-obamacare-mostly-didnt-come-to-pass?wpis
rc
=nl
_wonk
   
A tracker indicates that newly insured patients aren't
overwhelming doctors.A batch of anecdotal reports suggests that
  hospitals'
uncompensated care spending is falling.And a survey of physicians
finds that -- while many doctors are upset about the law's added
complexity -- they're generally happy with the pay that they're
seeing through the ACA's new marketplace plans.
   
I guess wants it actually starts working, it becomes very
difficult to lie lol ^_^ á§
   
   
   
  
  
  
  
  
  
 
 
 
 



 

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RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


Seriously Eric, look into the fiduciary program and VA unemployability.

Everything I said is 100% true.  I realize it's only 200,000 veterans
that have to deal the worst of its prescriptions, but I'm one of them.
On Jun 1, 2014 8:16 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:

 No I'm not.

 Although thanks for making the stereotype plainly obvious.
 On Jun 1, 2014 5:10 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
 wrote:


 Yeah...coming from the guy who is actually in therapy...

 -Original Message-
 From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 2:11 PM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
 platform...


 You're insane.

 That's one of the most ridiculous things I've read you write.
 On May 31, 2014 5:21 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
 wrote:

 
  Exactly.  I think it has done quite well given the hand it was dealt.
  The secret waiting lists were an unconscionable violation of our
  trust, but efforts to improve the VA with adequate funding had a lot to
 do
 with that.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:larrycly...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2014 9:33 AM
  To: cf-community
  Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform
  as a platform...
 
 
  AS for the VA scandal, its more of a problem of facilities and access.
  Because of cuts and increased demands from 12 years of war (courtesy
  of your hero G. W. Bush) and over promising they don't have the space
  simply put.
  In
  the last 25 years the VA has built only one, that is ONE, new care
  facility.
  Compare that to the number built by for profit health care companies.
  If the VA had the same level of investment the scheduling scandal
  never would have happened. That said, its a systemic problem with the
  VA system, brought on by years of increasing demands on the system and
  trying to make increasingly fewer resources stretch to cover more and
  more. And still surveys show that the majority of vets are very
  satisfied with their VA care. Now imagine how well the VA could have
  done if the system had the right funding.
  At times its seems that this country is all for getting its soldiers
  wounded and messed up but isn't really concerned about afterwards.
  After all what's a few vets in comparison to the shiny new hangar
  queen
  F-35
  LIghtning II that costs $142.6 million a piece.
 
  On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   Just look at the VA scandal if you want to know what Obamacare will
   look like when fully implemented.
   Didn't we just waste around $1 billion dollars trying to get the
   exchanges working and most failed. How's Oregon doing with their
  exchange?
  
   .
  
  
   On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 1:05 AM, Eric Roberts 
   ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:
  
  
   ...and Sam...
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Jerry Milo Johnson [mailto:jmi...@gmail.com]
   Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 10:40 PM
   To: cf-community
   Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare
   reform as a platform...
  
  
   difficult to lie.
  
   you greatly underestimate our political class.
  
  
   On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 11:26 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   
   
http://www.californiahealthline.org/road-to-reform/2014/then-vs-n
ow
-ho
w-dire-predictions-about-obamacare-mostly-didnt-come-to-pass?wpis
rc
=nl
_wonk
   
A tracker indicates that newly insured patients aren't
overwhelming doctors.A batch of anecdotal reports suggests that
  hospitals'
uncompensated care spending is falling.And a survey of physicians
finds that -- while many doctors are upset about the law's added
complexity -- they're generally happy with the pay that they're
seeing through the ACA's new marketplace plans.
   
I guess wants it actually starts working, it becomes very
difficult to lie lol ^_^ á§
   
   
   
  
  
  
  
  
  
 
 
 
 



 

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RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


http://www.vawatchdog.org/fiduciary-appointments.html
On Jun 1, 2014 8:23 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Seriously Eric, look into the fiduciary program and VA unemployability.

 Everything I said is 100% true.  I realize it's only 200,000 veterans
 that have to deal the worst of its prescriptions, but I'm one of them.
 On Jun 1, 2014 8:16 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:

 No I'm not.

 Although thanks for making the stereotype plainly obvious.
 On Jun 1, 2014 5:10 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
 wrote:


 Yeah...coming from the guy who is actually in therapy...

 -Original Message-
 From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 2:11 PM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
 platform...


 You're insane.

 That's one of the most ridiculous things I've read you write.
 On May 31, 2014 5:21 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
 
 wrote:

 
  Exactly.  I think it has done quite well given the hand it was dealt.
  The secret waiting lists were an unconscionable violation of our
  trust, but efforts to improve the VA with adequate funding had a lot
 to do
 with that.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:larrycly...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2014 9:33 AM
  To: cf-community
  Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform
  as a platform...
 
 
  AS for the VA scandal, its more of a problem of facilities and access.
  Because of cuts and increased demands from 12 years of war (courtesy
  of your hero G. W. Bush) and over promising they don't have the space
  simply put.
  In
  the last 25 years the VA has built only one, that is ONE, new care
  facility.
  Compare that to the number built by for profit health care companies.
  If the VA had the same level of investment the scheduling scandal
  never would have happened. That said, its a systemic problem with the
  VA system, brought on by years of increasing demands on the system and
  trying to make increasingly fewer resources stretch to cover more and
  more. And still surveys show that the majority of vets are very
  satisfied with their VA care. Now imagine how well the VA could have
  done if the system had the right funding.
  At times its seems that this country is all for getting its soldiers
  wounded and messed up but isn't really concerned about afterwards.
  After all what's a few vets in comparison to the shiny new hangar
  queen
  F-35
  LIghtning II that costs $142.6 million a piece.
 
  On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   Just look at the VA scandal if you want to know what Obamacare will
   look like when fully implemented.
   Didn't we just waste around $1 billion dollars trying to get the
   exchanges working and most failed. How's Oregon doing with their
  exchange?
  
   .
  
  
   On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 1:05 AM, Eric Roberts 
   ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:
  
  
   ...and Sam...
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Jerry Milo Johnson [mailto:jmi...@gmail.com]
   Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 10:40 PM
   To: cf-community
   Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare
   reform as a platform...
  
  
   difficult to lie.
  
   you greatly underestimate our political class.
  
  
   On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 11:26 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   
   
http://www.californiahealthline.org/road-to-reform/2014/then-vs-n
ow
-ho
w-dire-predictions-about-obamacare-mostly-didnt-come-to-pass?wpis
rc
=nl
_wonk
   
A tracker indicates that newly insured patients aren't
overwhelming doctors.A batch of anecdotal reports suggests that
  hospitals'
uncompensated care spending is falling.And a survey of physicians
finds that -- while many doctors are upset about the law's added
complexity -- they're generally happy with the pay that they're
seeing through the ACA's new marketplace plans.
   
I guess wants it actually starts working, it becomes very
difficult to lie lol ^_^ á§
   
   
   
  
  
  
  
  
  
 
 
 
 



 

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RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


http://www.vawatchdog.org/tdiu-unemployability.html
On Jun 1, 2014 8:28 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://www.vawatchdog.org/fiduciary-appointments.html
 On Jun 1, 2014 8:23 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Seriously Eric, look into the fiduciary program and VA unemployability.

 Everything I said is 100% true.  I realize it's only 200,000 veterans
 that have to deal the worst of its prescriptions, but I'm one of them.
 On Jun 1, 2014 8:16 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:

 No I'm not.

 Although thanks for making the stereotype plainly obvious.
 On Jun 1, 2014 5:10 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
 wrote:


 Yeah...coming from the guy who is actually in therapy...

 -Original Message-
 From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 2:11 PM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as
 a
 platform...


 You're insane.

 That's one of the most ridiculous things I've read you write.
 On May 31, 2014 5:21 PM, Eric Roberts 
 ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
 wrote:

 
  Exactly.  I think it has done quite well given the hand it was dealt.
  The secret waiting lists were an unconscionable violation of our
  trust, but efforts to improve the VA with adequate funding had a lot
 to do
 with that.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:larrycly...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2014 9:33 AM
  To: cf-community
  Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform
  as a platform...
 
 
  AS for the VA scandal, its more of a problem of facilities and access.
  Because of cuts and increased demands from 12 years of war (courtesy
  of your hero G. W. Bush) and over promising they don't have the space
  simply put.
  In
  the last 25 years the VA has built only one, that is ONE, new care
  facility.
  Compare that to the number built by for profit health care companies.
  If the VA had the same level of investment the scheduling scandal
  never would have happened. That said, its a systemic problem with the
  VA system, brought on by years of increasing demands on the system and
  trying to make increasingly fewer resources stretch to cover more and
  more. And still surveys show that the majority of vets are very
  satisfied with their VA care. Now imagine how well the VA could have
  done if the system had the right funding.
  At times its seems that this country is all for getting its soldiers
  wounded and messed up but isn't really concerned about afterwards.
  After all what's a few vets in comparison to the shiny new hangar
  queen
  F-35
  LIghtning II that costs $142.6 million a piece.
 
  On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   Just look at the VA scandal if you want to know what Obamacare will
   look like when fully implemented.
   Didn't we just waste around $1 billion dollars trying to get the
   exchanges working and most failed. How's Oregon doing with their
  exchange?
  
   .
  
  
   On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 1:05 AM, Eric Roberts 
   ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:
  
  
   ...and Sam...
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Jerry Milo Johnson [mailto:jmi...@gmail.com]
   Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 10:40 PM
   To: cf-community
   Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare
   reform as a platform...
  
  
   difficult to lie.
  
   you greatly underestimate our political class.
  
  
   On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 11:26 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  
   
   
   
 http://www.californiahealthline.org/road-to-reform/2014/then-vs-n
ow
-ho
w-dire-predictions-about-obamacare-mostly-didnt-come-to-pass?wpis
rc
=nl
_wonk
   
A tracker indicates that newly insured patients aren't
overwhelming doctors.A batch of anecdotal reports suggests that
  hospitals'
uncompensated care spending is falling.And a survey of physicians
finds that -- while many doctors are upset about the law's added
complexity -- they're generally happy with the pay that they're
seeing through the ACA's new marketplace plans.
   
I guess wants it actually starts working, it becomes very
difficult to lie lol ^_^ á§
   
   
   
  
  
  
  
  
  
 
 
 
 



 

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RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...

So in order to keep your free handouts...you must not be able to work...let'
be honest Tim...if you are able to work, then you are scamming the
government.

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 7:06 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
platform...

I am prohibited by law from maintaining gainful employment

http://www.benefits.va.gov/compensation/claims-special-individual_unemployab
ility.asp
On Jun 1, 2014 5:07 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
wrote:

 Bullshit Tim.  You have only been experiencing the VA for a couple of 
 years.
 I first started going to the VA when Clinton was in office.  I saw 
 firsthand how it nosedived from day one of the Bush Administration and 
 it fell deep...much like our economy fell deep thanks to him.  Not 
 only did Bush rape the funding for the VA, which would have caused 
 some problems on their own, with the introduction of 2 wars, he also 
 exponentially increased the number of people relying on the VA for 
 services.  Add to that the rape of the economy which added even more 
 burden to the VA, I am surprised we get as good of a service as we do 
 out of the VA.  Quit whining that you are getting denied shit because 
 you broke the law.  While I disagree with pot being illegal...if you 
 want to break the law and use it anyway, then that is on you and you 
 alone.  Take responsibility for your own actions.  You are not 
 prohibited by law from maintaining gainful employment.  You will lose 
 some of the free benefits if you reach a certain income level.  You 
 are not being denied shit.  I am also going to call bullshit on being 
 denied medical care.
 You cannot be refused medical care.  That is illegal.  All veterans 
 are eligible for care at the VA...you do not have to be rated or 
 disabled.  The scale it based on whether or not you are disabled and 
 sevice connected and if not, then it is based on income on what you 
 have to pay as far as copays for visits and prescriptions.

 Eric

 -Original Message-
 From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 2:02 PM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform 
 as a platform...

 Only eight of those years are thanks to Bush.

 If you don't want the job don't apply for it.  We're pretty deep into 
 the second term to still be blaming the last guy.

 You are taking out your ass about the VA.

 While the health care issues are regional, due to the way the VA is 
 organized, the problems on the benefits (VBA) side are equally insane, 
 with huge backlogs and major civil rights violations all over.

 The surveys themselves are conducted internally, I have no faith in 
 them what so ever, this organization is riddled with inefficiency and 
 corruption.

 The rules are totally different for us, forever.  Your HIPPA 
 protections don't exist for us.  Our 4th and 5th amendment rights 
 basically don't exist, our private medical information, including 
 therapy notes and shit, is freely shared with federal law enforcement, 
 without a warrant.  My property has been stolen, without a warrant, my 
 home searched, with out a warrant.

 I've been detained multiple times.  Local officers have lied to my 
 neighbors and told them I have warrants, but I haven't even been 
 accused of a crime.

 I'm prohibited by law from maintaining gainful employment because 
 I'm too nutty to work, bit I'm denied ssdi based off doctors records 
 that I smoke pot.  So I don't get half of what I'm supposed to, and 
 now in even being refused medical care for staph and MRSA because my 
 doctor screwed up my meds and appointments, and lied in my record to 
 cover her mistake.

 It takes an average of 45-60 to see your primary care doctor here, 
 longer to get to a specialist, but you can't be scrolled for the 
 specialist without a referral from primary care, so you're looking at 
 a four month minimum wait to see a specialist.

 Something a lot of outsiders miss is that the VA is scaled.  The vast 
 majority of people who have earned it don't use it, even those who do 
 use it mainly use it as part of their health care, and aren't rated 
 and disabled at all.

 The real problems in the system begin when you are rated at 30% and 
 they start becoming involved in every aspect of your life.

 The clinics are well funded, the medical staff is mainly top notch, 
 with the exception of the many foreign doctors, who often do not have 
 the empathy and cultural awareness this situation requires, and lack a 
 respect for the special nature if their customer base.  The main 
 problem on the health care side is in administrators.

 The VA is the epitome of a federal bureaucracy run amok.  The 
 administrators are bitter, entitled, king term government employees 
 who know how hard it is to get fired.  It often seems add though there 
 job is denial

RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...

Probably because you started cursing them out and ot what they saw as
becoming or on your way to becoming violent.  Personal responsibility Tim...

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 7:15 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
platform...

As for denial of medical care, think what you want, I've been escorted off
site more than once by VA police.  This layers time the doctor told me she
would not see me after I asked why she didn't give me refills of my required
antibiotics.  I've already dealt with the patient advocate and the office of
the inspector General.

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
On Jun 1, 2014 5:07 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
wrote:

 Bullshit Tim.  You have only been experiencing the VA for a couple of 
 years.
 I first started going to the VA when Clinton was in office.  I saw 
 firsthand how it nosedived from day one of the Bush Administration and 
 it fell deep...much like our economy fell deep thanks to him.  Not 
 only did Bush rape the funding for the VA, which would have caused 
 some problems on their own, with the introduction of 2 wars, he also 
 exponentially increased the number of people relying on the VA for 
 services.  Add to that the rape of the economy which added even more 
 burden to the VA, I am surprised we get as good of a service as we do 
 out of the VA.  Quit whining that you are getting denied shit because 
 you broke the law.  While I disagree with pot being illegal...if you 
 want to break the law and use it anyway, then that is on you and you 
 alone.  Take responsibility for your own actions.  You are not 
 prohibited by law from maintaining gainful employment.  You will lose 
 some of the free benefits if you reach a certain income level.  You 
 are not being denied shit.  I am also going to call bullshit on being 
 denied medical care.
 You cannot be refused medical care.  That is illegal.  All veterans 
 are eligible for care at the VA...you do not have to be rated or 
 disabled.  The scale it based on whether or not you are disabled and 
 sevice connected and if not, then it is based on income on what you 
 have to pay as far as copays for visits and prescriptions.

 Eric

 -Original Message-
 From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 2:02 PM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform 
 as a platform...

 Only eight of those years are thanks to Bush.

 If you don't want the job don't apply for it.  We're pretty deep into 
 the second term to still be blaming the last guy.

 You are taking out your ass about the VA.

 While the health care issues are regional, due to the way the VA is 
 organized, the problems on the benefits (VBA) side are equally insane, 
 with huge backlogs and major civil rights violations all over.

 The surveys themselves are conducted internally, I have no faith in 
 them what so ever, this organization is riddled with inefficiency and 
 corruption.

 The rules are totally different for us, forever.  Your HIPPA 
 protections don't exist for us.  Our 4th and 5th amendment rights 
 basically don't exist, our private medical information, including 
 therapy notes and shit, is freely shared with federal law enforcement, 
 without a warrant.  My property has been stolen, without a warrant, my 
 home searched, with out a warrant.

 I've been detained multiple times.  Local officers have lied to my 
 neighbors and told them I have warrants, but I haven't even been 
 accused of a crime.

 I'm prohibited by law from maintaining gainful employment because 
 I'm too nutty to work, bit I'm denied ssdi based off doctors records 
 that I smoke pot.  So I don't get half of what I'm supposed to, and 
 now in even being refused medical care for staph and MRSA because my 
 doctor screwed up my meds and appointments, and lied in my record to 
 cover her mistake.

 It takes an average of 45-60 to see your primary care doctor here, 
 longer to get to a specialist, but you can't be scrolled for the 
 specialist without a referral from primary care, so you're looking at 
 a four month minimum wait to see a specialist.

 Something a lot of outsiders miss is that the VA is scaled.  The vast 
 majority of people who have earned it don't use it, even those who do 
 use it mainly use it as part of their health care, and aren't rated 
 and disabled at all.

 The real problems in the system begin when you are rated at 30% and 
 they start becoming involved in every aspect of your life.

 The clinics are well funded, the medical staff is mainly top notch, 
 with the exception of the many foreign doctors, who often do not have 
 the empathy and cultural awareness this situation requires, and lack a 
 respect for the special nature if their customer base.  The main 
 problem on the health care side is in administrators.

RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


It is still a federal offense.  Just because they give you a ticket instead
of hauling you to jail does not mean it is no longer illegal.  It is still a
crime.  An infraction is still a crime.  If it was not a crime, they would
not be able to ticket you.  Twist it however you want...you seem to be good
at it.

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 7:12 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
platform...


What law is pot break in Ohio?

It doesn't.

What law am I breaking federally?

I'm not, use is not illegal, so you tell me, what the fuck did I do wrong?

You forget I enlisted and got out under Clinton too.

Pot in Ohio has been decriminalized, it's an infraction, not a crime.  As
I'm not going across state borders the federal government should have
nothing to say about it, and doesn't provided I'm not possessing at
distribution levels.

I haven't been accused or convicted of a God damned thing.
On Jun 1, 2014 5:07 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
wrote:


 Bullshit Tim.  You have only been experiencing the VA for a couple of 
 years.
 I first started going to the VA when Clinton was in office.  I saw 
 firsthand how it nosedived from day one of the Bush Administration and 
 it fell deep...much like our economy fell deep thanks to him.  Not 
 only did Bush rape the funding for the VA, which would have caused 
 some problems on their own, with the introduction of 2 wars, he also 
 exponentially increased the number of people relying on the VA for 
 services.  Add to that the rape of the economy which added even more 
 burden to the VA, I am surprised we get as good of a service as we do 
 out of the VA.  Quit whining that you are getting denied shit because 
 you broke the law.  While I disagree with pot being illegal...if you 
 want to break the law and use it anyway, then that is on you and you 
 alone.  Take responsibility for your own actions.  You are not 
 prohibited by law from maintaining gainful employment.  You will lose 
 some of the free benefits if you reach a certain income level.  You 
 are not being denied shit.  I am also going to call bullshit on being 
 denied medical care.
 You cannot be refused medical care.  That is illegal.  All veterans 
 are eligible for care at the VA...you do not have to be rated or 
 disabled.  The scale it based on whether or not you are disabled and 
 sevice connected and if not, then it is based on income on what you 
 have to pay as far as copays for visits and prescriptions.


 Eric

 -Original Message-
 From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 2:02 PM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform 
 as a platform...


 Only eight of those years are thanks to Bush.

 If you don't want the job don't apply for it.  We're pretty deep into 
 the second term to still be blaming the last guy.

 You are taking out your ass about the VA.

 While the health care issues are regional, due to the way the VA is 
 organized, the problems on the benefits (VBA) side are equally insane, 
 with huge backlogs and major civil rights violations all over.

 The surveys themselves are conducted internally, I have no faith in 
 them what so ever, this organization is riddled with inefficiency and 
 corruption.

 The rules are totally different for us, forever.  Your HIPPA 
 protections don't exist for us.  Our 4th and 5th amendment rights 
 basically don't exist, our private medical information, including 
 therapy notes and shit, is freely shared with federal law enforcement, 
 without a warrant.  My property has been stolen, without a warrant, my 
 home searched, with out a warrant.

 I've been detained multiple times.  Local officers have lied to my 
 neighbors and told them I have warrants, but I haven't even been 
 accused of a crime.

 I'm prohibited by law from maintaining gainful employment because 
 I'm too nutty to work, bit I'm denied ssdi based off doctors records 
 that I smoke pot.  So I don't get half of what I'm supposed to, and 
 now in even being refused medical care for staph and MRSA because my 
 doctor screwed up my meds and appointments, and lied in my record to 
 cover her mistake.

 It takes an average of 45-60 to see your primary care doctor here, 
 longer to get to a specialist, but you can't be scrolled for the 
 specialist without a referral from primary care, so you're looking at 
 a four month minimum wait to see a specialist.

 Something a lot of outsiders miss is that the VA is scaled.  The vast 
 majority of people who have earned it don't use it, even those who do 
 use it mainly use it as part of their health care, and aren't rated 
 and disabled at all.

 The real problems in the system begin when you are rated at 30% and 
 they start becoming involved in every aspect of your life.

 The clinics are well funded, the medical staff is

RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


An infraction is not a crime.  It is not.  Go look it up in a law library.

I haven't been touched either though, do I'm being at a minimum punished
without due process
On Jun 1, 2014 8:35 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
wrote:


 It is still a federal offense.  Just because they give you a ticket instead
 of hauling you to jail does not mean it is no longer illegal.  It is still
 a
 crime.  An infraction is still a crime.  If it was not a crime, they would
 not be able to ticket you.  Twist it however you want...you seem to be good
 at it.

 -Original Message-
 From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 7:12 PM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
 platform...


 What law is pot break in Ohio?

 It doesn't.

 What law am I breaking federally?

 I'm not, use is not illegal, so you tell me, what the fuck did I do wrong?

 You forget I enlisted and got out under Clinton too.

 Pot in Ohio has been decriminalized, it's an infraction, not a crime.  As
 I'm not going across state borders the federal government should have
 nothing to say about it, and doesn't provided I'm not possessing at
 distribution levels.

 I haven't been accused or convicted of a God damned thing.
 On Jun 1, 2014 5:07 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
 wrote:

 
  Bullshit Tim.  You have only been experiencing the VA for a couple of
  years.
  I first started going to the VA when Clinton was in office.  I saw
  firsthand how it nosedived from day one of the Bush Administration and
  it fell deep...much like our economy fell deep thanks to him.  Not
  only did Bush rape the funding for the VA, which would have caused
  some problems on their own, with the introduction of 2 wars, he also
  exponentially increased the number of people relying on the VA for
  services.  Add to that the rape of the economy which added even more
  burden to the VA, I am surprised we get as good of a service as we do
  out of the VA.  Quit whining that you are getting denied shit because
  you broke the law.  While I disagree with pot being illegal...if you
  want to break the law and use it anyway, then that is on you and you
  alone.  Take responsibility for your own actions.  You are not
  prohibited by law from maintaining gainful employment.  You will lose
  some of the free benefits if you reach a certain income level.  You
  are not being denied shit.  I am also going to call bullshit on being
  denied medical care.
  You cannot be refused medical care.  That is illegal.  All veterans
  are eligible for care at the VA...you do not have to be rated or
  disabled.  The scale it based on whether or not you are disabled and
  sevice connected and if not, then it is based on income on what you
  have to pay as far as copays for visits and prescriptions.
 
 
  Eric
 
  -Original Message-
  From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 2:02 PM
  To: cf-community
  Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform
  as a platform...
 
 
  Only eight of those years are thanks to Bush.
 
  If you don't want the job don't apply for it.  We're pretty deep into
  the second term to still be blaming the last guy.
 
  You are taking out your ass about the VA.
 
  While the health care issues are regional, due to the way the VA is
  organized, the problems on the benefits (VBA) side are equally insane,
  with huge backlogs and major civil rights violations all over.
 
  The surveys themselves are conducted internally, I have no faith in
  them what so ever, this organization is riddled with inefficiency and
  corruption.
 
  The rules are totally different for us, forever.  Your HIPPA
  protections don't exist for us.  Our 4th and 5th amendment rights
  basically don't exist, our private medical information, including
  therapy notes and shit, is freely shared with federal law enforcement,
  without a warrant.  My property has been stolen, without a warrant, my
  home searched, with out a warrant.
 
  I've been detained multiple times.  Local officers have lied to my
  neighbors and told them I have warrants, but I haven't even been
  accused of a crime.
 
  I'm prohibited by law from maintaining gainful employment because
  I'm too nutty to work, bit I'm denied ssdi based off doctors records
  that I smoke pot.  So I don't get half of what I'm supposed to, and
  now in even being refused medical care for staph and MRSA because my
  doctor screwed up my meds and appointments, and lied in my record to
  cover her mistake.
 
  It takes an average of 45-60 to see your primary care doctor here,
  longer to get to a specialist, but you can't be scrolled for the
  specialist without a referral from primary care, so you're looking at
  a four month minimum wait to see a specialist.
 
  Something a lot of outsiders miss is that the VA is scaled.  The vast
  majority of people who have earned it

RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...

2014-06-01 Thread Scott Stroz


I am not sure where it says on that page that you are not allowed to be
gainfully employed,
On Jun 1, 2014 8:06 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:


 I am prohibited by law from maintaining gainful employment


 http://www.benefits.va.gov/compensation/claims-special-individual_unemployability.asp
 On Jun 1, 2014 5:07 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
 wrote:

 
  Bullshit Tim.  You have only been experiencing the VA for a couple of
  years.
  I first started going to the VA when Clinton was in office.  I saw
  firsthand
  how it nosedived from day one of the Bush Administration and it fell
  deep...much like our economy fell deep thanks to him.  Not only did Bush
  rape the funding for the VA, which would have caused some problems on
 their
  own, with the introduction of 2 wars, he also exponentially increased the
  number of people relying on the VA for services.  Add to that the rape of
  the economy which added even more burden to the VA, I am surprised we get
  as
  good of a service as we do out of the VA.  Quit whining that you are
  getting
  denied shit because you broke the law.  While I disagree with pot being
  illegal...if you want to break the law and use it anyway, then that is on
  you and you alone.  Take responsibility for your own actions.  You are
 not
  prohibited by law from maintaining gainful employment.  You will lose
 some
  of the free benefits if you reach a certain income level.  You are not
  being
  denied shit.  I am also going to call bullshit on being denied medical
  care.
  You cannot be refused medical care.  That is illegal.  All veterans are
  eligible for care at the VA...you do not have to be rated or disabled.
  The
  scale it based on whether or not you are disabled and sevice connected
 and
  if not, then it is based on income on what you have to pay as far as
 copays
  for visits and prescriptions.
 
 
  Eric
 
  -Original Message-
  From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 2:02 PM
  To: cf-community
  Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
  platform...
 
 
  Only eight of those years are thanks to Bush.
 
  If you don't want the job don't apply for it.  We're pretty deep into the
  second term to still be blaming the last guy.
 
  You are taking out your ass about the VA.
 
  While the health care issues are regional, due to the way the VA is
  organized, the problems on the benefits (VBA) side are equally insane,
 with
  huge backlogs and major civil rights violations all over.
 
  The surveys themselves are conducted internally, I have no faith in them
  what so ever, this organization is riddled with inefficiency and
  corruption.
 
  The rules are totally different for us, forever.  Your HIPPA protections
  don't exist for us.  Our 4th and 5th amendment rights basically don't
  exist,
  our private medical information, including therapy notes and shit, is
  freely
  shared with federal law enforcement, without a warrant.  My property has
  been stolen, without a warrant, my home searched, with out a warrant.
 
  I've been detained multiple times.  Local officers have lied to my
  neighbors
  and told them I have warrants, but I haven't even been accused of a
 crime.
 
  I'm prohibited by law from maintaining gainful employment because I'm
 too
  nutty to work, bit I'm denied ssdi based off doctors records that I smoke
  pot.  So I don't get half of what I'm supposed to, and now in even being
  refused medical care for staph and MRSA because my doctor screwed up my
  meds
  and appointments, and lied in my record to cover her mistake.
 
  It takes an average of 45-60 to see your primary care doctor here, longer
  to
  get to a specialist, but you can't be scrolled for the specialist
 without a
  referral from primary care, so you're looking at a four month minimum
 wait
  to see a specialist.
 
  Something a lot of outsiders miss is that the VA is scaled.  The vast
  majority of people who have earned it don't use it, even those who do use
  it
  mainly use it as part of their health care, and aren't rated and disabled
  at
  all.
 
  The real problems in the system begin when you are rated at 30% and they
  start becoming involved in every aspect of your life.
 
  The clinics are well funded, the medical staff is mainly top notch, with
  the
  exception of the many foreign doctors, who often do not have the empathy
  and
  cultural awareness this situation requires, and lack a respect for the
  special nature if their customer base.  The main problem on the health
 care
  side is in administrators.
 
  The VA is the epitome of a federal bureaucracy run amok.  The
  administrators
  are bitter, entitled, king term government employees who know how hard it
  is
  to get fired.  It often seems add though there job is denial of services,
  and it is.  This is an attitude that was fostered after Vietnam die to
  large
  scale fraud by veterans and liars that has

RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


http://afterdeployment.t2.health.mil/comment/129
On Jun 1, 2014 9:21 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote:


 I am not sure where it says on that page that you are not allowed to be
 gainfully employed,
 On Jun 1, 2014 8:06 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:

 
  I am prohibited by law from maintaining gainful employment
 
 
 
 http://www.benefits.va.gov/compensation/claims-special-individual_unemployability.asp
  On Jun 1, 2014 5:07 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
  wrote:
 
  
   Bullshit Tim.  You have only been experiencing the VA for a couple of
   years.
   I first started going to the VA when Clinton was in office.  I saw
   firsthand
   how it nosedived from day one of the Bush Administration and it fell
   deep...much like our economy fell deep thanks to him.  Not only did
 Bush
   rape the funding for the VA, which would have caused some problems on
  their
   own, with the introduction of 2 wars, he also exponentially increased
 the
   number of people relying on the VA for services.  Add to that the rape
 of
   the economy which added even more burden to the VA, I am surprised we
 get
   as
   good of a service as we do out of the VA.  Quit whining that you are
   getting
   denied shit because you broke the law.  While I disagree with pot being
   illegal...if you want to break the law and use it anyway, then that is
 on
   you and you alone.  Take responsibility for your own actions.  You are
  not
   prohibited by law from maintaining gainful employment.  You will lose
  some
   of the free benefits if you reach a certain income level.  You are not
   being
   denied shit.  I am also going to call bullshit on being denied medical
   care.
   You cannot be refused medical care.  That is illegal.  All veterans are
   eligible for care at the VA...you do not have to be rated or disabled.
   The
   scale it based on whether or not you are disabled and sevice connected
  and
   if not, then it is based on income on what you have to pay as far as
  copays
   for visits and prescriptions.
  
  
   Eric
  
   -Original Message-
   From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
   Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 2:02 PM
   To: cf-community
   Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform
 as a
   platform...
  
  
   Only eight of those years are thanks to Bush.
  
   If you don't want the job don't apply for it.  We're pretty deep into
 the
   second term to still be blaming the last guy.
  
   You are taking out your ass about the VA.
  
   While the health care issues are regional, due to the way the VA is
   organized, the problems on the benefits (VBA) side are equally insane,
  with
   huge backlogs and major civil rights violations all over.
  
   The surveys themselves are conducted internally, I have no faith in
 them
   what so ever, this organization is riddled with inefficiency and
   corruption.
  
   The rules are totally different for us, forever.  Your HIPPA
 protections
   don't exist for us.  Our 4th and 5th amendment rights basically don't
   exist,
   our private medical information, including therapy notes and shit, is
   freely
   shared with federal law enforcement, without a warrant.  My property
 has
   been stolen, without a warrant, my home searched, with out a warrant.
  
   I've been detained multiple times.  Local officers have lied to my
   neighbors
   and told them I have warrants, but I haven't even been accused of a
  crime.
  
   I'm prohibited by law from maintaining gainful employment because I'm
  too
   nutty to work, bit I'm denied ssdi based off doctors records that I
 smoke
   pot.  So I don't get half of what I'm supposed to, and now in even
 being
   refused medical care for staph and MRSA because my doctor screwed up my
   meds
   and appointments, and lied in my record to cover her mistake.
  
   It takes an average of 45-60 to see your primary care doctor here,
 longer
   to
   get to a specialist, but you can't be scrolled for the specialist
  without a
   referral from primary care, so you're looking at a four month minimum
  wait
   to see a specialist.
  
   Something a lot of outsiders miss is that the VA is scaled.  The vast
   majority of people who have earned it don't use it, even those who do
 use
   it
   mainly use it as part of their health care, and aren't rated and
 disabled
   at
   all.
  
   The real problems in the system begin when you are rated at 30% and
 they
   start becoming involved in every aspect of your life.
  
   The clinics are well funded, the medical staff is mainly top notch,
 with
   the
   exception of the many foreign doctors, who often do not have the
 empathy
   and
   cultural awareness this situation requires, and lack a respect for the
   special nature if their customer base.  The main problem on the health
  care
   side is in administrators.
  
   The VA is the epitome of a federal bureaucracy run amok.  The
   administrators
   are bitter, entitled, king

RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


Sorry, I have a lot of links around.

That's describing the program I was put in, the next link gets into it and
lists the law

I am not sure where it says on that page that you are not allowed to be
gainfully employed,
On Jun 1, 2014 8:06 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:


 I am prohibited by law from maintaining gainful employment



http://www.benefits.va.gov/compensation/claims-special-individual_unemployability.asp
 On Jun 1, 2014 5:07 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
 wrote:

 
  Bullshit Tim.  You have only been experiencing the VA for a couple of
  years.
  I first started going to the VA when Clinton was in office.  I saw
  firsthand
  how it nosedived from day one of the Bush Administration and it fell
  deep...much like our economy fell deep thanks to him.  Not only did Bush
  rape the funding for the VA, which would have caused some problems on
 their
  own, with the introduction of 2 wars, he also exponentially increased
the
  number of people relying on the VA for services.  Add to that the rape
of
  the economy which added even more burden to the VA, I am surprised we
get
  as
  good of a service as we do out of the VA.  Quit whining that you are
  getting
  denied shit because you broke the law.  While I disagree with pot being
  illegal...if you want to break the law and use it anyway, then that is
on
  you and you alone.  Take responsibility for your own actions.  You are
 not
  prohibited by law from maintaining gainful employment.  You will lose
 some
  of the free benefits if you reach a certain income level.  You are not
  being
  denied shit.  I am also going to call bullshit on being denied medical
  care.
  You cannot be refused medical care.  That is illegal.  All veterans are
  eligible for care at the VA...you do not have to be rated or disabled.
  The
  scale it based on whether or not you are disabled and sevice connected
 and
  if not, then it is based on income on what you have to pay as far as
 copays
  for visits and prescriptions.
 
 
  Eric
 
  -Original Message-
  From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 2:02 PM
  To: cf-community
  Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as
a
  platform...
 
 
  Only eight of those years are thanks to Bush.
 
  If you don't want the job don't apply for it.  We're pretty deep into
the
  second term to still be blaming the last guy.
 
  You are taking out your ass about the VA.
 
  While the health care issues are regional, due to the way the VA is
  organized, the problems on the benefits (VBA) side are equally insane,
 with
  huge backlogs and major civil rights violations all over.
 
  The surveys themselves are conducted internally, I have no faith in them
  what so ever, this organization is riddled with inefficiency and
  corruption.
 
  The rules are totally different for us, forever.  Your HIPPA protections
  don't exist for us.  Our 4th and 5th amendment rights basically don't
  exist,
  our private medical information, including therapy notes and shit, is
  freely
  shared with federal law enforcement, without a warrant.  My property has
  been stolen, without a warrant, my home searched, with out a warrant.
 
  I've been detained multiple times.  Local officers have lied to my
  neighbors
  and told them I have warrants, but I haven't even been accused of a
 crime.
 
  I'm prohibited by law from maintaining gainful employment because I'm
 too
  nutty to work, bit I'm denied ssdi based off doctors records that I
smoke
  pot.  So I don't get half of what I'm supposed to, and now in even being
  refused medical care for staph and MRSA because my doctor screwed up my
  meds
  and appointments, and lied in my record to cover her mistake.
 
  It takes an average of 45-60 to see your primary care doctor here,
longer
  to
  get to a specialist, but you can't be scrolled for the specialist
 without a
  referral from primary care, so you're looking at a four month minimum
 wait
  to see a specialist.
 
  Something a lot of outsiders miss is that the VA is scaled.  The vast
  majority of people who have earned it don't use it, even those who do
use
  it
  mainly use it as part of their health care, and aren't rated and
disabled
  at
  all.
 
  The real problems in the system begin when you are rated at 30% and they
  start becoming involved in every aspect of your life.
 
  The clinics are well funded, the medical staff is mainly top notch, with
  the
  exception of the many foreign doctors, who often do not have the empathy
  and
  cultural awareness this situation requires, and lack a respect for the
  special nature if their customer base.  The main problem on the health
 care
  side is in administrators.
 
  The VA is the epitome of a federal bureaucracy run amok.  The
  administrators
  are bitter, entitled, king term government employees who know how hard
it
  is
  to get fired.  It often seems add though there job is denial of
services,

RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


Free handouts

Ha

So in order to keep your free handouts...you must not be able to work...let'
be honest Tim...if you are able to work, then you are scamming the
government.

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 7:06 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
platform...


I am prohibited by law from maintaining gainful employment

http://www.benefits.va.gov/compensation/claims-special-individual_unemployab
ility.asp
On Jun 1, 2014 5:07 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
wrote:


 Bullshit Tim.  You have only been experiencing the VA for a couple of
 years.
 I first started going to the VA when Clinton was in office.  I saw
 firsthand how it nosedived from day one of the Bush Administration and
 it fell deep...much like our economy fell deep thanks to him.  Not
 only did Bush rape the funding for the VA, which would have caused
 some problems on their own, with the introduction of 2 wars, he also
 exponentially increased the number of people relying on the VA for
 services.  Add to that the rape of the economy which added even more
 burden to the VA, I am surprised we get as good of a service as we do
 out of the VA.  Quit whining that you are getting denied shit because
 you broke the law.  While I disagree with pot being illegal...if you
 want to break the law and use it anyway, then that is on you and you
 alone.  Take responsibility for your own actions.  You are not
 prohibited by law from maintaining gainful employment.  You will lose
 some of the free benefits if you reach a certain income level.  You
 are not being denied shit.  I am also going to call bullshit on being
 denied medical care.
 You cannot be refused medical care.  That is illegal.  All veterans
 are eligible for care at the VA...you do not have to be rated or
 disabled.  The scale it based on whether or not you are disabled and
 sevice connected and if not, then it is based on income on what you
 have to pay as far as copays for visits and prescriptions.


 Eric

 -Original Message-
 From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 2:02 PM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform
 as a platform...


 Only eight of those years are thanks to Bush.

 If you don't want the job don't apply for it.  We're pretty deep into
 the second term to still be blaming the last guy.

 You are taking out your ass about the VA.

 While the health care issues are regional, due to the way the VA is
 organized, the problems on the benefits (VBA) side are equally insane,
 with huge backlogs and major civil rights violations all over.

 The surveys themselves are conducted internally, I have no faith in
 them what so ever, this organization is riddled with inefficiency and
 corruption.

 The rules are totally different for us, forever.  Your HIPPA
 protections don't exist for us.  Our 4th and 5th amendment rights
 basically don't exist, our private medical information, including
 therapy notes and shit, is freely shared with federal law enforcement,
 without a warrant.  My property has been stolen, without a warrant, my
 home searched, with out a warrant.

 I've been detained multiple times.  Local officers have lied to my
 neighbors and told them I have warrants, but I haven't even been
 accused of a crime.

 I'm prohibited by law from maintaining gainful employment because
 I'm too nutty to work, bit I'm denied ssdi based off doctors records
 that I smoke pot.  So I don't get half of what I'm supposed to, and
 now in even being refused medical care for staph and MRSA because my
 doctor screwed up my meds and appointments, and lied in my record to
 cover her mistake.

 It takes an average of 45-60 to see your primary care doctor here,
 longer to get to a specialist, but you can't be scrolled for the
 specialist without a referral from primary care, so you're looking at
 a four month minimum wait to see a specialist.

 Something a lot of outsiders miss is that the VA is scaled.  The vast
 majority of people who have earned it don't use it, even those who do
 use it mainly use it as part of their health care, and aren't rated
 and disabled at all.

 The real problems in the system begin when you are rated at 30% and
 they start becoming involved in every aspect of your life.

 The clinics are well funded, the medical staff is mainly top notch,
 with the exception of the many foreign doctors, who often do not have
 the empathy and cultural awareness this situation requires, and lack a
 respect for the special nature if their customer base.  The main
 problem on the health care side is in administrators.

 The VA is the epitome of a federal bureaucracy run amok.  The
 administrators are bitter, entitled, king term government employees
 who know how hard it is to get fired.  It often seems add though there
 job is denial of services, and it is.  This is an

Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...

2014-06-01 Thread Maureen


As we discussed in another conversation, placing blame gets nothing done.

However, if blame is going to be placed, time doesn't matter.  It
should be laid at the feet of those who are responsible.

The problems with the VA go back decades, and are mostly the result of
wars that are started but not funded properly.  Congress provides the
funding.  Look there for your villains.

On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 3:02 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Only eight of those years are thanks to Bush.

 If you don't want the job don't apply for it.  We're pretty deep into the
 second term to still be blaming the last guy.

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Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...

2014-06-01 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey


On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 10:34 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote:

 Congress provides the funding.  Look there for your villains.


Very well said, needs to be trumpeted on most issues... but is sadly not
understood.  I have tried in recent times to distinguish my disdain for
administration officials vs President vs Congress Critters.

It doesn't help that the current President likes to be seen and heard as
often as possible while the rest don't garner much camera time unless you
count C-SPAN.





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Every cloud does have a silver lining.  Sometimes you just have to do some
smelting to find it.


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RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


Only Washington state and Colorado have recreational pot
legalized...everywhere else, it is still a criminal act.  States that have
medical marijuana laws require that you have a card for it.  If you do not
have that and do not live in a state that has legalized medical
marijuana...it is still a crime.  Not an infraction.  Many states have
reduced the penalty to a fine and made it a ticket-able offence rather than
dragging you to prison off the bat...that doesn't mean that it is not a
crime still.  While I disagree with it being a crime anywhere...as long as
it is, you have to play by the rules or be prepared to pay the piper.  Don't
blame someone else for actions you took knowing full well that it was
against the law.  No one forced tyou to smoke.

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 8:13 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
platform...


An infraction is not a crime.  It is not.  Go look it up in a law library.

I haven't been touched either though, do I'm being at a minimum punished
without due process On Jun 1, 2014 8:35 PM, Eric Roberts
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
wrote:


 It is still a federal offense.  Just because they give you a ticket 
 instead of hauling you to jail does not mean it is no longer illegal.  
 It is still a crime.  An infraction is still a crime.  If it was not a 
 crime, they would not be able to ticket you.  Twist it however you 
 want...you seem to be good at it.

 -Original Message-
 From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 7:12 PM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform 
 as a platform...


 What law is pot break in Ohio?

 It doesn't.

 What law am I breaking federally?

 I'm not, use is not illegal, so you tell me, what the fuck did I do wrong?

 You forget I enlisted and got out under Clinton too.

 Pot in Ohio has been decriminalized, it's an infraction, not a crime.  
 As I'm not going across state borders the federal government should 
 have nothing to say about it, and doesn't provided I'm not possessing 
 at distribution levels.

 I haven't been accused or convicted of a God damned thing.
 On Jun 1, 2014 5:07 PM, Eric Roberts 
 ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
 wrote:

 
  Bullshit Tim.  You have only been experiencing the VA for a couple 
  of years.
  I first started going to the VA when Clinton was in office.  I saw 
  firsthand how it nosedived from day one of the Bush Administration 
  and it fell deep...much like our economy fell deep thanks to him.  
  Not only did Bush rape the funding for the VA, which would have 
  caused some problems on their own, with the introduction of 2 wars, 
  he also exponentially increased the number of people relying on the 
  VA for services.  Add to that the rape of the economy which added 
  even more burden to the VA, I am surprised we get as good of a 
  service as we do out of the VA.  Quit whining that you are getting 
  denied shit because you broke the law.  While I disagree with pot 
  being illegal...if you want to break the law and use it anyway, then 
  that is on you and you alone.  Take responsibility for your own 
  actions.  You are not prohibited by law from maintaining gainful 
  employment.  You will lose some of the free benefits if you reach a 
  certain income level.  You are not being denied shit.  I am also 
  going to call bullshit on being denied medical care.
  You cannot be refused medical care.  That is illegal.  All veterans 
  are eligible for care at the VA...you do not have to be rated or 
  disabled.  The scale it based on whether or not you are disabled and 
  sevice connected and if not, then it is based on income on what you 
  have to pay as far as copays for visits and prescriptions.
 
 
  Eric
 
  -Original Message-
  From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 2:02 PM
  To: cf-community
  Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform 
  as a platform...
 
 
  Only eight of those years are thanks to Bush.
 
  If you don't want the job don't apply for it.  We're pretty deep 
  into the second term to still be blaming the last guy.
 
  You are taking out your ass about the VA.
 
  While the health care issues are regional, due to the way the VA is 
  organized, the problems on the benefits (VBA) side are equally 
  insane, with huge backlogs and major civil rights violations all over.
 
  The surveys themselves are conducted internally, I have no faith in 
  them what so ever, this organization is riddled with inefficiency 
  and corruption.
 
  The rules are totally different for us, forever.  Your HIPPA 
  protections don't exist for us.  Our 4th and 5th amendment rights 
  basically don't exist, our private medical information, including 
  therapy notes and shit, is freely shared with federal law 
  enforcement,

Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...

2014-06-01 Thread Maureen


You sir, are a clueless ass, whose has no idea what you are talking about.

On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 8:32 PM, Eric Roberts
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:

 So in order to keep your free handouts...you must not be able to work...let'
 be honest Tim...if you are able to work, then you are scamming the
 government.

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RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


Is that what you and your fellow conservatives whine about with welfare
recipients?  Apparently you are getting 100% disability even though you are
not 100% rated, according to everything you have posted...so you are getting
extra money that was not directly earned via the service connected
disability you do have.  How is that any different from someone collecting
welfare money?  They can work too right?  Then they wouldn't need the full
disability...right?  So if you are able to work, they why are you claiming
you are a 100% disabled?  Sorry if I have little sympathy for that.  You
can't have that both ways.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 9:00 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
platform...


Free handouts

Ha

So in order to keep your free handouts...you must not be able to work...let'
be honest Tim...if you are able to work, then you are scamming the
government.

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 7:06 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: RE: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
platform...


I am prohibited by law from maintaining gainful employment

http://www.benefits.va.gov/compensation/claims-special-individual_unemployab
ility.asp
On Jun 1, 2014 5:07 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
wrote:


 Bullshit Tim.  You have only been experiencing the VA for a couple of 
 years.
 I first started going to the VA when Clinton was in office.  I saw 
 firsthand how it nosedived from day one of the Bush Administration and 
 it fell deep...much like our economy fell deep thanks to him.  Not 
 only did Bush rape the funding for the VA, which would have caused 
 some problems on their own, with the introduction of 2 wars, he also 
 exponentially increased the number of people relying on the VA for 
 services.  Add to that the rape of the economy which added even more 
 burden to the VA, I am surprised we get as good of a service as we do 
 out of the VA.  Quit whining that you are getting denied shit because 
 you broke the law.  While I disagree with pot being illegal...if you 
 want to break the law and use it anyway, then that is on you and you 
 alone.  Take responsibility for your own actions.  You are not 
 prohibited by law from maintaining gainful employment.  You will lose 
 some of the free benefits if you reach a certain income level.  You 
 are not being denied shit.  I am also going to call bullshit on being 
 denied medical care.
 You cannot be refused medical care.  That is illegal.  All veterans 
 are eligible for care at the VA...you do not have to be rated or 
 disabled.  The scale it based on whether or not you are disabled and 
 sevice connected and if not, then it is based on income on what you 
 have to pay as far as copays for visits and prescriptions.


 Eric

 -Original Message-
 From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 2:02 PM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform 
 as a platform...


 Only eight of those years are thanks to Bush.

 If you don't want the job don't apply for it.  We're pretty deep into 
 the second term to still be blaming the last guy.

 You are taking out your ass about the VA.

 While the health care issues are regional, due to the way the VA is 
 organized, the problems on the benefits (VBA) side are equally insane, 
 with huge backlogs and major civil rights violations all over.

 The surveys themselves are conducted internally, I have no faith in 
 them what so ever, this organization is riddled with inefficiency and 
 corruption.

 The rules are totally different for us, forever.  Your HIPPA 
 protections don't exist for us.  Our 4th and 5th amendment rights 
 basically don't exist, our private medical information, including 
 therapy notes and shit, is freely shared with federal law enforcement, 
 without a warrant.  My property has been stolen, without a warrant, my 
 home searched, with out a warrant.

 I've been detained multiple times.  Local officers have lied to my 
 neighbors and told them I have warrants, but I haven't even been 
 accused of a crime.

 I'm prohibited by law from maintaining gainful employment because 
 I'm too nutty to work, bit I'm denied ssdi based off doctors records 
 that I smoke pot.  So I don't get half of what I'm supposed to, and 
 now in even being refused medical care for staph and MRSA because my 
 doctor screwed up my meds and appointments, and lied in my record to 
 cover her mistake.

 It takes an average of 45-60 to see your primary care doctor here, 
 longer to get to a specialist, but you can't be scrolled for the 
 specialist without a referral from primary care, so you're looking at 
 a four month minimum wait to see a specialist.

 Something a lot of outsiders miss is that the VA is scaled.  The vast

Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...

2014-06-01 Thread Scott Stroz


I don't get it..I still cannot find (or maybe understand) where it says you
are not legally allowed to work. Do you (or these links) mean to say that
in order to get the 100% disability benefit you cannot work?


On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 9:58 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:


 Sorry, I have a lot of links around.

 That's describing the program I was put in, the next link gets into it and
 lists the law

 I am not sure where it says on that page that you are not allowed to be
 gainfully employed,
 On Jun 1, 2014 8:06 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:

 
  I am prohibited by law from maintaining gainful employment
 
 
 

 http://www.benefits.va.gov/compensation/claims-special-individual_unemployability.asp
  On Jun 1, 2014 5:07 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
  wrote:
 
  
   Bullshit Tim.  You have only been experiencing the VA for a couple of
   years.
   I first started going to the VA when Clinton was in office.  I saw
   firsthand
   how it nosedived from day one of the Bush Administration and it fell
   deep...much like our economy fell deep thanks to him.  Not only did
 Bush
   rape the funding for the VA, which would have caused some problems on
  their
   own, with the introduction of 2 wars, he also exponentially increased
 the
   number of people relying on the VA for services.  Add to that the rape
 of
   the economy which added even more burden to the VA, I am surprised we
 get
   as
   good of a service as we do out of the VA.  Quit whining that you are
   getting
   denied shit because you broke the law.  While I disagree with pot being
   illegal...if you want to break the law and use it anyway, then that is
 on
   you and you alone.  Take responsibility for your own actions.  You are
  not
   prohibited by law from maintaining gainful employment.  You will lose
  some
   of the free benefits if you reach a certain income level.  You are not
   being
   denied shit.  I am also going to call bullshit on being denied medical
   care.
   You cannot be refused medical care.  That is illegal.  All veterans are
   eligible for care at the VA...you do not have to be rated or disabled.
   The
   scale it based on whether or not you are disabled and sevice connected
  and
   if not, then it is based on income on what you have to pay as far as
  copays
   for visits and prescriptions.
  
  
   Eric
  
   -Original Message-
   From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
   Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 2:02 PM
   To: cf-community
   Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as
 a
   platform...
  
  
   Only eight of those years are thanks to Bush.
  
   If you don't want the job don't apply for it.  We're pretty deep into
 the
   second term to still be blaming the last guy.
  
   You are taking out your ass about the VA.
  
   While the health care issues are regional, due to the way the VA is
   organized, the problems on the benefits (VBA) side are equally insane,
  with
   huge backlogs and major civil rights violations all over.
  
   The surveys themselves are conducted internally, I have no faith in
 them
   what so ever, this organization is riddled with inefficiency and
   corruption.
  
   The rules are totally different for us, forever.  Your HIPPA
 protections
   don't exist for us.  Our 4th and 5th amendment rights basically don't
   exist,
   our private medical information, including therapy notes and shit, is
   freely
   shared with federal law enforcement, without a warrant.  My property
 has
   been stolen, without a warrant, my home searched, with out a warrant.
  
   I've been detained multiple times.  Local officers have lied to my
   neighbors
   and told them I have warrants, but I haven't even been accused of a
  crime.
  
   I'm prohibited by law from maintaining gainful employment because I'm
  too
   nutty to work, bit I'm denied ssdi based off doctors records that I
 smoke
   pot.  So I don't get half of what I'm supposed to, and now in even
 being
   refused medical care for staph and MRSA because my doctor screwed up my
   meds
   and appointments, and lied in my record to cover her mistake.
  
   It takes an average of 45-60 to see your primary care doctor here,
 longer
   to
   get to a specialist, but you can't be scrolled for the specialist
  without a
   referral from primary care, so you're looking at a four month minimum
  wait
   to see a specialist.
  
   Something a lot of outsiders miss is that the VA is scaled.  The vast
   majority of people who have earned it don't use it, even those who do
 use
   it
   mainly use it as part of their health care, and aren't rated and
 disabled
   at
   all.
  
   The real problems in the system begin when you are rated at 30% and
 they
   start becoming involved in every aspect of your life.
  
   The clinics are well funded, the medical staff is mainly top notch,
 with
   the
   exception of the many foreign doctors, who often do not have the
 empathy
   and

Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...

2014-06-01 Thread Scott Stroz


I bet if Haliburton could have made a  profit off of it, our vets would
have the best healthcare on the planet.


On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 10:34 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote:


 As we discussed in another conversation, placing blame gets nothing done.

 However, if blame is going to be placed, time doesn't matter.  It
 should be laid at the feet of those who are responsible.

 The problems with the VA go back decades, and are mostly the result of
 wars that are started but not funded properly.  Congress provides the
 funding.  Look there for your villains.

 On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 3:02 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Only eight of those years are thanks to Bush.
 
  If you don't want the job don't apply for it.  We're pretty deep into the
  second term to still be blaming the last guy.

 

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Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


It's like this.

I didn't ask to be put in this program.  As a matter of fact I've appealed
and begged and pleaded every way I can to not be in it.

However if I am in it, and I work full time, I will be charged with a
federal felony.  As though it is fraud.  Even though I'm telling them I
would rather work, would rather return to my permanent 70%.

It's a bull shit way of paying us 100% without having to pay all the
benefits.  If you're 100% permanent and total your kids get CHAMPUS health
care and additional benefits.  In TDIU you get nothing for family.  The
100% permanent rating has all kinds of additional programs and benefits
associated with it.


On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 11:16 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote:


 I don't get it..I still cannot find (or maybe understand) where it says you
 are not legally allowed to work. Do you (or these links) mean to say that
 in order to get the 100% disability benefit you cannot work?


 On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 9:58 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:

 
  Sorry, I have a lot of links around.
 
  That's describing the program I was put in, the next link gets into it
 and
  lists the law
 
  I am not sure where it says on that page that you are not allowed to be
  gainfully employed,
  On Jun 1, 2014 8:06 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  
   I am prohibited by law from maintaining gainful employment
  
  
  
 
 
 http://www.benefits.va.gov/compensation/claims-special-individual_unemployability.asp
   On Jun 1, 2014 5:07 PM, Eric Roberts 
 ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
   wrote:
  
   
Bullshit Tim.  You have only been experiencing the VA for a couple of
years.
I first started going to the VA when Clinton was in office.  I saw
firsthand
how it nosedived from day one of the Bush Administration and it fell
deep...much like our economy fell deep thanks to him.  Not only did
  Bush
rape the funding for the VA, which would have caused some problems on
   their
own, with the introduction of 2 wars, he also exponentially increased
  the
number of people relying on the VA for services.  Add to that the
 rape
  of
the economy which added even more burden to the VA, I am surprised we
  get
as
good of a service as we do out of the VA.  Quit whining that you are
getting
denied shit because you broke the law.  While I disagree with pot
 being
illegal...if you want to break the law and use it anyway, then that
 is
  on
you and you alone.  Take responsibility for your own actions.  You
 are
   not
prohibited by law from maintaining gainful employment.  You will lose
   some
of the free benefits if you reach a certain income level.  You are
 not
being
denied shit.  I am also going to call bullshit on being denied
 medical
care.
You cannot be refused medical care.  That is illegal.  All veterans
 are
eligible for care at the VA...you do not have to be rated or
 disabled.
The
scale it based on whether or not you are disabled and sevice
 connected
   and
if not, then it is based on income on what you have to pay as far as
   copays
for visits and prescriptions.
   
   
Eric
   
-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 2:02 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform
 as
  a
platform...
   
   
Only eight of those years are thanks to Bush.
   
If you don't want the job don't apply for it.  We're pretty deep into
  the
second term to still be blaming the last guy.
   
You are taking out your ass about the VA.
   
While the health care issues are regional, due to the way the VA is
organized, the problems on the benefits (VBA) side are equally
 insane,
   with
huge backlogs and major civil rights violations all over.
   
The surveys themselves are conducted internally, I have no faith in
  them
what so ever, this organization is riddled with inefficiency and
corruption.
   
The rules are totally different for us, forever.  Your HIPPA
  protections
don't exist for us.  Our 4th and 5th amendment rights basically don't
exist,
our private medical information, including therapy notes and shit, is
freely
shared with federal law enforcement, without a warrant.  My property
  has
been stolen, without a warrant, my home searched, with out a warrant.
   
I've been detained multiple times.  Local officers have lied to my
neighbors
and told them I have warrants, but I haven't even been accused of a
   crime.
   
I'm prohibited by law from maintaining gainful employment because
 I'm
   too
nutty to work, bit I'm denied ssdi based off doctors records that I
  smoke
pot.  So I don't get half of what I'm supposed to, and now in even
  being
refused medical care for staph and MRSA because my doctor screwed up
 my
meds
and appointments, and lied

Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


Just look at the VA scandal if you want to know what Obamacare will look
like when fully implemented.
Didn't we just waste around $1 billion dollars trying to get the exchanges
working and most failed. How's Oregon doing with their exchange?

.


On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 1:05 AM, Eric Roberts 
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:


 ...and Sam...

 -Original Message-
 From: Jerry Milo Johnson [mailto:jmi...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 10:40 PM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
 platform...


 difficult to lie.

 you greatly underestimate our political class.


 On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 11:26 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 
  http://www.californiahealthline.org/road-to-reform/2014/then-vs-now-ho
  w-dire-predictions-about-obamacare-mostly-didnt-come-to-pass?wpisrc=nl
  _wonk
 
  A tracker indicates that newly insured patients aren't overwhelming
  doctors.A batch of anecdotal reports suggests that hospitals'
  uncompensated care spending is falling.And a survey of physicians
  finds that -- while many doctors are upset about the law's added
  complexity -- they're generally happy with the pay that they're seeing
  through the ACA's new marketplace plans.
 
  I guess wants it actually starts working, it becomes very difficult to
  lie lol ^_^ á§
 
 
 



 

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Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...

2014-05-31 Thread Vivec


Think it's saved any lives of people who couldn't get healthcare before, or
for conditions that weren't covered?
á§


On 31 May 2014 10:08, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:


 Just look at the VA scandal if you want to know what Obamacare will look
 like when fully implemented.
 Didn't we just waste around $1 billion dollars trying to get the exchanges
 working and most failed. How's Oregon doing with their exchange?



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Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...

2014-05-31 Thread Larry C. Lyons

You could also look at the Kentucky system which is very successful.

As for the Oregon exchange, blame Oracle. They over promised, and
under delivered.

FWIW however the GOP does appear to be backing away from their anti-ACA stance.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/gop-candidates-show-signs-of-retreat-on-full-obamacare-repeal-as-midterms-approach/2014/05/30/3c175b30-e5ab-11e3-8f90-73e071f3d637_story.html?tid=pm_pop

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2014/05/30/morning-plum-gop-retreat-on-obamacare-continues-apace/

But hey that's only reality. In the Conservative bubble there is no such thing.

On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:

Just look at the VA scandal if you want to know what Obamacare will look
like when fully implemented.
Didn't we just waste around $1 billion dollars trying to get the exchanges
working and most failed. How's Oregon doing with their exchange?

On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 1:05 AM, Eric Roberts
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:

...and Sam...

-Original Message-
From: Jerry Milo Johnson [mailto:jmi...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 10:40 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
platform...

difficult to lie.

you greatly underestimate our political class.

On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 11:26 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote:

http://www.californiahealthline.org/road-to-reform/2014/then-vs-now-ho
w-dire-predictions-about-obamacare-mostly-didnt-come-to-pass?wpisrc=nl
_wonk

A tracker indicates that newly insured patients aren't overwhelming
doctors.A batch of anecdotal reports suggests that hospitals'
uncompensated care spending is falling.And a survey of physicians
finds that -- while many doctors are upset about the law's added
complexity -- they're generally happy with the pay that they're seeing
through the ACA's new marketplace plans.

I guess wants it actually starts working, it becomes very difficult to
lie lol ^_^ á§

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Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...

2014-05-31 Thread Larry C. Lyons


AS for the VA scandal, its more of a problem of facilities and access.
Because of cuts and increased demands from 12 years of war (courtesy
of your hero G. W. Bush) and over promising they don't have the space
simply put. In the last 25 years the VA has built only one, that is
ONE, new care facility. Compare that to the number built by for profit
health care companies. If the VA had the same level of investment the
scheduling scandal never would have happened. That said, its a
systemic problem with the VA system, brought on by years of increasing
demands on the system and trying to make increasingly fewer resources
stretch to cover more and more. And still surveys show that the
majority of vets are very satisfied with their VA care. Now imagine
how well the VA could have done if the system had the right funding.
At times its seems that this country is all for getting its soldiers
wounded and messed up but isn't really concerned about afterwards.
After all what's a few vets in comparison to the shiny new hangar
queen F-35 LIghtning II that costs $142.6 million a piece.

On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Just look at the VA scandal if you want to know what Obamacare will look
 like when fully implemented.
 Didn't we just waste around $1 billion dollars trying to get the exchanges
 working and most failed. How's Oregon doing with their exchange?

 .


 On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 1:05 AM, Eric Roberts 
 ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:


 ...and Sam...

 -Original Message-
 From: Jerry Milo Johnson [mailto:jmi...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 10:40 PM
 To: cf-community
 Subject: Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a
 platform...


 difficult to lie.

 you greatly underestimate our political class.


 On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 11:26 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 
  http://www.californiahealthline.org/road-to-reform/2014/then-vs-now-ho
  w-dire-predictions-about-obamacare-mostly-didnt-come-to-pass?wpisrc=nl
  _wonk
 
  A tracker indicates that newly insured patients aren't overwhelming
  doctors.A batch of anecdotal reports suggests that hospitals'
  uncompensated care spending is falling.And a survey of physicians
  finds that -- while many doctors are upset about the law's added
  complexity -- they're generally happy with the pay that they're seeing
  through the ACA's new marketplace plans.
 
  I guess wants it actually starts working, it becomes very difficult to
  lie lol ^_^ á§
 
 
 





 

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Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...


No, most people on obamacare had insurance.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/02/24/Obamacare-Skyrockets-Cancer-Patient-s-Meds-to-14-000-for-8-Week-Supply

http://nationalreport.net/eleven-deaths-linked-obamacare-critical-patients-die-waiting-approval/

.





On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote:


 Think it's saved any lives of people who couldn't get healthcare before, or
 for conditions that weren't covered?
 á§


 On 31 May 2014 10:08, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:

 
  Just look at the VA scandal if you want to know what Obamacare will look
  like when fully implemented.
  Didn't we just waste around $1 billion dollars trying to get the
 exchanges
  working and most failed. How's Oregon doing with their exchange?
 


 

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Re: So this is why the GOP is backing off healthcare reform as a platform...

I wouldn't go by the Chamber of Commerce. They are the worst when it comes
to big money buying government influence.

On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com
wrote:

You could also look at the Kentucky system which is very successful.

As for the Oregon exchange, blame Oracle. They over promised, and
under delivered.

FWIW however the GOP does appear to be backing away from their anti-ACA
stance.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/gop-candidates-show-signs-of-retreat-on-full-obamacare-repeal-as-midterms-approach/2014/05/30/3c175b30-e5ab-11e3-8f90-73e071f3d637_story.html?tid=pm_pop

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2014/05/30/morning-plum-gop-retreat-on-obamacare-continues-apace/

But hey that's only reality. In the Conservative bubble there is no such
thing.

On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:

Just look at the VA scandal if you want to know what Obamacare will look
like when fully implemented.
Didn't we just waste around $1 billion dollars trying to get the
exchanges
working and most failed. How's Oregon doing with their exchange?

On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 1:05 AM, Eric Roberts
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:

...and Sam...

difficult to lie.

you greatly underestimate our political class.

On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 11:26 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote:

http://www.californiahealthline.org/road-to-reform/2014/then-vs-now-ho
w-dire-predictions-about-obamacare-mostly-didnt-come-to-pass?wpisrc=nl
_wonk

I guess wants it actually starts working, it becomes very difficult to
lie lol ^_^ á§

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