RE: Bug Tracking Tool
Hello, We really like http://www.bugzilla.org/ BugZilla it's comprehensive, open source and free. Cheers, Mike Randolph At 01:42 PM 7/24/2003 -0600, you wrote: Thanks for the suggestions. Nate -Original Message- From: Kola Oyedeji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 6:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Bug Tracking Tool If you want cheap and cheerful: www.elementool.com The limited version is free but everything is hosted on their servers. Kola -Original Message- From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 July 2003 07:47 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Bug Tracking Tool On Wednesday 23 Jul 2003 22:21 pm, Nate Nelson wrote: priced. If anyone here has used a tool or has seen something worth suggesting please let me know. We're about (fingers crossed) to buy Jira (atlassian.com). Depends on the size of your co0mpany, but for us it's 'only' 800UKP, which compaired to something like project central ($200/seat) is great. Plus we get the source code. -- Tom C Land of the free, home of the brave... you have to be brave to live there and enjoy the freedoms ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Slightly OT Mileage and Mapping Software Worldwide?
Hello Mike, Our long time customer http://www.esri.com/ is a fan of ColdFusion and provides these kinds of applications. It's been a few years since I've looked but I though that some of their mapping applications rely on CF? Either way they are database products that could be integrated with ColdFusion. Kind Regards, Mike Randolph AbleCommerce.com Does anyone know of a software package or system that provides maps and point to point mileage calculations which works well with CF. Or one that makes its information accessible as a web service? Kind Regards - Mike Brunt ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Purging Session Vars
Hello, Found this in google...don't know if it will work? cfscript StructClear(session); cfscript cheers Mike At 02:27 AM 6/5/2003 -0400, you wrote: Hello Everyone.. I am having a bit of trouble with purging some session variables... I have in the application.cfm an application(obviously) that is set to hang on to the session for 20 minutes BUT if someone finishes a certain step on the form.. I want to write a few into a cookie and loop through and purge them... I decided that I can just overwrite them - set them to using something like this... cfcookie name=LitReq1a value=#session.fname#, #session.lname#, #session.company#, #session.email# expires=NEVER CFLOOP COLLECTION=#session# ITEM=ThisKey CFOUTPUTcfset session.ThisKey= cfset session.#ThisKey#=br/CFOUTPUT /CFLOOP While it outputs snip cfset session.CFTOKEN= cfset session.COMMENTS= cfset session.COMPANY= cfset session.CONTACTBY= cfset session.EMAIL= etc etc etc /snip I go visit the first page of my form and the vars do indeed still exist. What is the right way to purge these session vars ??? My application code is as such... cfapplication name=LitReq setclientcookies=Yes sessionmanagement=Yes sessiontimeout=#createTimeSpan(0,0,20,0)# hope this was clear.. Thanks in advance! jay ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Template not executing in Scheduler
Hello, What has gotten me before is firewalls and DNS. If you behind a firewall be sure your using the internal IP. If you have an in progress domain ... note that the server is now doing the DNS lookup not the browser. Cheers, Mike Randolph At 05:04 PM 5/30/2003 -0700, you wrote: Hello - Does anyone know why a task would not execute a template from the scheduler when you slick the run button on the scheduled tasks screen in the coldfusion administrator. The template executes perfectly from the browser, sends an e-mail and deletes a specified file. Whats the difference between running it from the scheduled task screen and the browser? Thanks all, Casey Cook This is a PRIVATE message. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete without copying and kindly advise us by e-mail of the mistake in delivery. NOTE: Regardless of content, this e-mail shall not operate to bind CSC to any order or other contract unless pursuant to explicit written agreement or government initiative expressly permitting the use of e-mail for such purpose. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
CF Dev Journal Heaviest Advertiser Awards.
Hello Everyone, These award's are NOW NOTHING but a perk of advertising with CFDJ with their new vote counting procedures (see below). So when you decide on your next CF purchase please don't accept these awards as meaning anything but the company has an advertising budget with CFDJ. I know this is a rant, but everyone should know the truth about this years award when you make your software purchasing decision. If you want to flame me please do it off list, as this is an FYI not a thread that needs to run forever. These all should read 'BEST CFDJ Advertisers' Best Book Best CF Web Service Best Consulting Service Best Content Management Tool Best Custom Tag or Component Best eBusiness Software Best Education and Training Best Web Application Best Web Development Tool Best Web Hosting Best Web Site or Community Most Innovative CF Application VOTING UPDATE 4/8/03: The new 'vote counting procedure'* is working perfectly, and the top slots are GUARANTEED to be filled with ColdFusion Developer Journal advertiser's. We sincerely appreciate your support and should we be named the 'ColdFusion Developers Journal Heaviest Advertiser' for 2003 we will be very proud. * As part of our 2003 Readers' Choice Awards Voting Process - ACTIVE subscribers (Advertising viewers) of ColdFusion Developer's Journal votes will be qualified as 2 points in our voting tally. New subscribers votes will count as 1 point. Subscription records are verified as of the start of voting - March 31, 2003. Kind Regards, Mike Randolph WHY I'M MAD: Please note that without this tainting we would quite likely be winning (or likely could win) the Best eBusiness Software category. The leader in the 'Most Innovative CF Application' is a ColdFusion Application SERVER, but they advertise a lot so what the heck right. * Why doesn't Macromedia put ColdFusion MX in Most innovative CF Application category it'd be just the same (not the right category), but at least then Macromedia wont look so silly when the OTHER SERVER wins. LOL. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Host with the leader in ColdFusion hosting. Voted #1 ColdFusion host by CF Developers. Offering shared and dedicated hosting options. www.cfxhosting.com/default.cfm?redirect=10481 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: correct way to implement this
Hello Dave,
I'd think you should have an 'strippedtextoutvar' (whatever the name)
defined in the module call, but I'm not familiar with that specific tag.
Kind Regards,
Mike Randolph
At 09:38 PM 5/29/2003 -0400, you wrote:
if i have the following insert statement
cfquery name=qaddEmployee datasource=fly
INSERT INTO employee (firstName)
VALUES ('#form.firstName#')
/cfquery
how do i add this tag to the insert statement?
cfmodule template=../cf_tags/StripHTML.cfm
textinvar = FORM.FRarea
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Re: OT: any flash experts?
Hey Tony, No answer for you but I've been lurking on the chatty fig Flash lists and there very active, I'd join quick :) http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/ Cheers (It's after 5:)), Mike Randolph At 09:42 PM 5/29/2003 -0400, you wrote: hey, any flash people out there... sorry cftalk for the ot, but this is something i gotta figure out, before i waste too much time with flash... can i do a gradient mask, so that images could go from one side to the other, and when they get to the left side they fade into white? does that make sense? thanks... and sorry :/ tony tony weeg [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.revolutionwebdesign.com rEvOlUtIoN wEb DeSiGn 410.334.6331 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: extra eyes on this insert
Hello Dave, Are your sure your getting to the insert query? Can you orderby a column that is not in your select query? I don't see any glaring issues with the insert. 11 fields, 11 updates no missing quotes?? Kind Regards, Mike Randolph At 11:51 PM 5/29/2003 -0400, you wrote: cfquery name=qfr datasource=#dsn# SELECT FRID FROM fr ORDER BY subjectID DESC ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: extra eyes on this insert
Hello Dave,
This error normally or historically would be a typo in on of the field
names. So if the other idea is WRONG, carefully check your field names.
Kind Regards,
Mike Randolph
At 11:51 PM 5/29/2003 -0400, you wrote:
this sems like it should work but i just cant find the error, i keep
getting is this
[MERANT][SequeLink JDBC Driver][ODBC Socket][Microsoft][ODBC Microsoft
Access Driver] Too few parameters. Expected 1.
I checked the reserved db names but I just cant find it. I even did a
standard db insert just to see and still got the same error.
!--- start insert, make sure has been submitted ---
cfif isDefined(form.submit)
cftransaction isolation=serializable
!--- get last posted subjectID ---
cfquery name=qfr datasource=#dsn#
SELECT FRID
FROM fr
ORDER BY subjectID DESC
/cfquery
!--- finalize insert ---
cfquery name=qifr datasource=#dsn#
INSERT INTO fr (FRarea,
author,
FRreport,
PM,
rating,
weather,
waterFlow,
waterTemp,
hotFly,
hatch,
IP)
VALUES ('#trim(form.FRarea)#',
'#trim(form.author)#',
'#trim(form.FRreport)#',
#val(form.PM)#,
#val(form.rating)#,
'#trim(form.weather)#',
'#trim(form.waterFlow)#',
#val(form.waterTemp)#,
'#trim(form.hotFly)#',
'#trim(form.hatch)#',
#val(form.IP)#
)
/cfquery
/cftransaction
/cfif
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Re: extra eyes on this insert
Hello Dave, Try renaming ...the second fridto FFrid they cant be the same name. Cheers, Mike RAndolph At 12:11 AM 5/30/2003 -0400, you wrote: i agree I dont think its getting to the insert I hear what you were saying about the first sql, actually i have tried adding the other field. I even added * and still the error. So then I tried this sql !--- get last posted subjectID --- cfquery name=qfr datasource=#dsn# SELECT max(FRID) AS FRID FROM fr /cfquery that code max(fieldID) AS fieldID never works for me, lol and it gives me this error could that be cause its an an autoNumber field? Error Executing Database Query. [MERANT][SequeLink JDBC Driver][ODBC Socket][Microsoft][ODBC Microsoft Access Driver] Circular reference caused by alias 'FRID' in query definition's SELECT list. - Original Message - From: Mike Randolph [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:58 PM Subject: Re: extra eyes on this insert Hello Dave, Are your sure your getting to the insert query? Can you orderby a column that is not in your select query? I don't see any glaring issues with the insert. 11 fields, 11 updates no missing quotes?? Kind Regards, Mike Randolph At 11:51 PM 5/29/2003 -0400, you wrote: cfquery name=qfr datasource=#dsn# SELECT FRID FROM fr ORDER BY subjectID DESC ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
3 New Versions of AbleCommerce 2 for Macromedia's products NEO and JSP
Hello Larry Juncker, As Steve already told you last week, we have NOT DROPPED COLDFUSION we are simply going to release our new COLDFUSION PRODUCT ON NEO THE NEW COLDFUSION ENGINE. Neo was suppose to be out a while back, the Java/JSP version is 80% complete and the modules used for the Java/JSP version are going to be used for the new NEO version of AbleCommerce 4.0. LET ME REPEAT WE WILL HAVE THREE VERSIONS OF ABLECOMMERCE TWO OF THEM SUPPORTING MACROMEDIA PRODUCTS 1. Microsoft ASP version is done and in Beta 2. Macromedia JSP version 80% complete 3. NEO version in the works and will be done and released around the same time as NEO. CF_MAIN POINT We are here to support our ColdFusion Clients, we just were not going to do a re-write of our new product on the OLD ColdFusion engine when we knew NEO was in the works. /CF_MAIN POINT If anyone should have any questions and/or comments please give me a call (360) 253-4142. Just in case you were wondering the new version kicks ass! Cheers, Mike Randolph AbleCommerce, CEO P.S. We are still going to continue to support ColdFusion in addition to Macromedia JRUN and Microsoft ASP. Larry Juncker wrote: It is a tough program to change code in, but it can be done. I felt let down though myself as I was told for a year that the new Fusebox package was coming and so we trudged along with it only to find out that the new package was written entirely in ASP. A lot of good that did us. But all in all the code can be edited, however expect to have fun with it. They certainly lost a lot of credibility with that switch, with us and several others out there. Larry Juncker Senior Cold Fusion Developer Heartland Communications Group, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: C Runyan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 4:18 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: AbleCommerce I'm working at a company that is planning to buy AbleCommerce to do e-commerce. Just wondering if anyone has opinions positive or negative about using it. If anyone has done source code modifications it would be helpful to know how easy that is. We're expecting to do some of that as well to get what we want out of it. Chris ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
CFToken and CFID not secure for ecommerce
Hello All, CFTOKEN AND CFID according to Macromedia's own admission and our own internal testing is not secure enought for a web applications where credit card data and money is involved. Goto a site like Amazon and notice the session ID they use are not a wimpy numeric string, they use a long alpha-numeric string. CFToken and CFID is so easy to break it is amazing. First of all most of your administrators will be the lower numbered CFID's due to the nature of how they are handed out, that leaves only the cftoken for security purposes and it being a numeric value only is less than secure. Don't leave yourself open to hacking avoid relying on CFToken and CFID to track secure sessions. Cheers, Mike Randolph AbleCommerce, CEO P.S. We respect our clients data and have never relyed on CFTOKEN and CFID, our testing showed them to be way to insecure. Thats the AbleCommerce difference...We think, we test, we don't just copy, hack, sell and hope. ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: WDDX
Hello Duane, http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml is the XML specifications, I haven't seen any specific limits while transmitting a packet via WDDX. I would just take note of the physical connection available (T1, 56k, etc), as if the packet is too big you'll wind up causing timeouts, possible dataloss, etc. Cheers, Mike Randolph AbleCommerce Duane Boudreau wrote: Is there any limit to the length that a string can be inside a wddx packet? TIA, ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: E-Commerce...? Duane Boudreau FIRED by client
Hello Everyone, I'm done listening to Duane Boudreau chiming in... About AbleCommerce. When Duane dropped the ball on an AbleCommerce project and was FIRED by the client he was obviously left with some hard feelings ...The project was quickly done by a real CF Programmer. (being as PC as I can be) Out techical support is second to NONE, we answer our phone we quickly resolve issues. You don't get a real company to stand behind a product for free. We were recently reviewed against IBM and Microsoft's commerce products and did very well. Thanks, Mike Randolph CEO of AbleCommerce Duane Boudreau wrote: Ian, If you plan to do any customization of the product yourself, I would strongly advise against ablecommerce. Unfortunately, I've had the displeasure of working with and customizing ACB 2.6-2.9 for the past 9 months and here are just some of the things I've found. Its expensive (as compared to apps like CFWebStore). The code is some places is very poorly written and very poorly thought out (being PC as possible here). Maintainability, and ease of customization clearly wasn't a consideration during development. There is little to no documentation and good luck trying to secure a database diagram from the folks at ACB. I tried for almost a month and all they would give me is some marketing documents. I would never recommend ACB to anyone! JMHO, Duane -Original Message- From: Mark Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 1:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: E-Commerce...? Ian ,I would look at this company's offering. http://ablecommerce.com/ Mark Campbell Ian Lurie wrote: I know this has been asked before, but here goes: Anyone out there know a good e-commerce product, preferably easily customized, that can handle a fairly large store (500-1000 products)? Thanks, Ian Portent Interactive http://www.portentinteractive.com Combining process, design, content to create great web sites since 1995 ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Able Commerce knock-off
Hello CF-Talk, As everyone like's to read more into my statements than is needed, and given the fact that except on this list we very very VERY rarely run into any of the competitors at this level and our honest competitors (the ones we're normally compaired to, Adrian) are IBM, Microsoft, OpenMarket and IntershopI'm doneSorry...Thanks...WhateverHave a nice dayI have to go beat up on Bill Gates now ;)~ Best Regards, Mike Randolph P.S. I guess marketing is right, I should never never never post to these lists...bad mike, no cookie. - From: Mike Randolph [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 April 2000 19:12 The fusebox "like" AuctionBuilder product is ONE example of the future of our products, which we are releasing many this year. What does "fusebox like" mean - does it mean it conforms totally to fusebox, or it conforms to your interpretation of fusebox, or to your intepretation of what fusebox should be? I'm sure on the flexibility point we are the winner, as far as price goes we have set it FAR below all of our "honest competitors" and yet still have enough Define "honest". margin in it to allow for support, Research Development and exspansion of the company. IBM, Microsoft, OpenMarket, and Intershop hate running into us, our product is much easer to get started with than any of those products that offer "similar" levels of features and COMPANY SUPPORT. I think that applies to most CF based products of this type - that is the strength of CF. As for support - you are making the somewhat biased assumption that only you provide it. The ONLY reason I originally posted was because the copyright and patent laws of our country suck, but our country's ethics don't?Go try to "knock off" a song, book or corporate logo...etc. It is obvious to me that the reason you have gone to such extremes to defend your product is because you are seriously concerned about the competition. If you were not concerned about the competition, and your product stood on its own as unsurpassable, you wouldn't have to. You keep mentioning AuctionBuilder - this discussion is not about AuctionBuilder it is about Able Commerce - how about addressing the concerns of your potential customers? Adrian Cooper. --- --- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
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UNSUBSCRIBE maybe a central flame-post web site could be set up. anyone who receives what they feel is a rude email, could send it to a moderator. then the moderator could post it if it's meets some criteria. maybe people would think twice about being an a**h*le if they realized that the programming community in general had a means of seeing what they had done. - Original Message - From: "Chris Lott" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 4:01 PM Subject: Re: What happened to this list? Just compare some of the responses about structures: *** From one response: "Wow, I feel so enlightened! Imagine all the wasted time I've spent using structures! Every stop to consider that structures can be members of structures, or that you can have arrays of structures? ..." *** *** From Kevin's: "I totally understand what you're saying. When I first considered structures, they seemed like really complicated mechanisms for holding data that could be just as easily placed into a query or a list. What I've found, however..." *** This is not to pick on the person who posted the first example (he contributes a lot of good stuff to this group!) byt to illustrate the range of responses. Which one is more likely to generate a flurry of debate defenerating into flames? c -- Chris Lott [EMAIL PROTECTED], Technical Manager p907.474.5122 | f907.474.5402 | PGP Key ID: 0x8687E87E - - Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. --- --- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Able Commerce knock-off
Hello CF-Talk, "Able Commerce knock-off called " Do you really want to purchase from a product that is so obviously built while looking at the AbleCommerce Builder product? What does this say about the company? We pride ourselves at AbleCommerce in providing original solutions to tough e-business issues. Look at our new AuctionBuilder product to see where our new products are headed, BEFORE you drop your money on the table. AbleCommerce Builder is a proven product, with proven support and a proven company behind it. Cheers, Mike Randolph -Original Message- From: Bill Poff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, April 20, 2000 7:59 AM Subject: Re: Is Able Commerce truly user-unfriendly and hence useless? We are an Able Commerce customer and paid the "big bucks" for the source code version. The product is very powerful but not user friendly and more than a little obfuscated. If you're having trouble with one store you can imagine our fun developing and hosting multiple sites at once. I recently discovered an Able Commerce knock-off called CFWebstore which might be a much better solution for smaller stores. CFWebstore costs $150, less in quantities. http://www.cfwebstore.com I don't know anything about the product but the price is definitely right. $150 for full source code. At that price you can afford to do some bug fixing. We're thinking about giving our customers the choice of which software they want us to use for their site. --Bill At 02:44 PM 4/16/00 , you wrote: I am only about 4 months into Cold Fusion. Able is the first CF store package for me to use. I have been very frustrated with it's "Wizards" mostly due to a lack or non-integration of help files. Figuring out how to customize something is mostly a 'try and see what happens' process. Their documentation is not easily accessible as far as trying to find specifically what you want to do. I started with the standard version and was too limited, so I had to upgrade to the open source. I'm not saying they do this, but it almost seems that they limit what you can do just so you'll have to pay another $1500 for open source. I'm just starting to get comfortable with it and would probably use it again since I would be much more familiar with it the next time around. The backend is very solid and with my limited experience with CF I wouldn't even want to try to build everything the program does. If I were able to give Able some advice, it would be to add a help button to every page of the admin section. Hitting the button would load a pop up window with help that is specific to where you are in the program. This would have saved me hours in learning it... and having to call support to figure it out. Chris Giminez Owner - Cyber Scriber Web Site Design 831-728-4469 ICQ# 2628000 I have tried to get Able Commerce which is built on Cold Fusion templates up and running as an e-commerce solution. Problem is the program seems so utterly rigid in deployment that there's no way to get into the pages to customize the look. The basic look made by Able Commerce is so ugly that the resulting pages make one desire to throw up. Hence changing the look is critical, yet apparently impossible when you go to the editing web pages section. Is Able Commerce truly an impossible program to work with and could anyone for the love of God please recommend something more user friendly and actually usable. We've lost a good two weeks messing around with Able Commerce, it has all in all been a highly frustrating experience. Would appreciate a reference to any other shopping cart e-commerce solution. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. - Bill Poff - ICN.NET INTERNET HOSTING - DEVELOPMENT - CONSULTING SERVICES PO Box 2570, Roanoke, VA 24010 - 540-343-8322 - Fax: 540-343-0691 - --- --- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http:
Re: Able Commerce knock-off
Hello CF-Talk, When you are purchasing any product, the future MUST be considered if growth is planned? The fusebox "like" AuctionBuilder product is ONE example of the future of our products, which we are releasing many this year. I'm sure on the flexibility point we are the winner, as far as price goes we have set it FAR below all of our "honest competitors" and yet still have enough margin in it to allow for support, Research Development and exspansion of the company. IBM, Microsoft, OpenMarket, and Intershop hate running into us, our product is much easer to get started with than any of those products that offer "similar" levels of features and COMPANY SUPPORT. One of our new customers spent 3 months trying to get IBM's solution to work, angry with the problems one of the developers went home early on Friday and downloaded our software. Returning to work on Monday with an almost fully completed site they dropped the IBM solution in favor of ours. The ONLY reason I originally posted was because the copyright and patent laws of our country suck, but our country's ethics don't?Go try to "knock off" a song, book or corporate logo...etc. VERY Respectfully yours, Mike Randolph Do you really want to purchase from a product that is so obviously built while looking at the AbleCommerce Builder product? What does this say about the company? It says to me that they recognise the good qualities of your product, whilst also recognising the defficiencies as they perceive them to be - and apparently others perceive them to be as well. If they can address those issues at 1/10 of the price - then good luck to them I say. If CF WebShop does everything AbleCommerce does, is more flexible, and 1/10 of the price for open source - where would_you_put your eCommerce platform dollars? We pride ourselves at AbleCommerce in providing original solutions to tough e-business issues. Look at our new AuctionBuilder product to see where our new products are headed, The disucssion is not about Auction products, it is about eStore products. BEFORE you drop your money on the table. AbleCommerce Builder is a proven product, with proven support and a proven company behind it. That as may be - but it doesn't mean that you can be arrogant or complacent about it. Being first to market, or market leader isn't always good enough unless you are M$ or Inte$. Over here at least we have a saying - "the customer is always right" - which means that you should listen to your customers and act acordingly. If your customers say that your product is difficult to customise, too expensive for open source etc., - then you should listen to them. I for one don't have a problem with AbleCommerce, and I certainly do recognise its significance and standing, but that does not mean you are unique in that. Instead of telling us how great your product is, how about addressing the issues of flexibility and price? Adrian Cooper. --- --- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
