RE: Smartertools (was Looking for the right SMTP server)
My argument was over a reseller account I was dealing with Jeffrey J. Hardy, Vice President of Business Operations He was Argumentative, insulting, accused me of fraudulent activity and criminal intent and told blatant lies to myself and the other party involved trying to play us off against each other. Now I tend to give as good as I get SO I then of course said I no longer wanted anything more to do with Smartertools or their products, which is a shame as I think their products are good. Obviously I never expected to hear anything more on the subject, but have since heard from colleagues and other partners that they have had problems with Smartertools refusing to do business with them simply because they were associated with my company in some way. So don't upset Jeff hardy or he will go after your friends, your family and anyone that knows you LOL Russ -Original Message- From: Al Musella, DPM [mailto:muse...@virtualtrials.com] Sent: 05 October 2010 02:36 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Looking for the right SMTP server I am glad you said that. I thought it was me. I never had a software company be as rude to me as smartertools. They detected that I had the software running on 2 servers and sent me a really rude invoice asking me to pay for the second licence. I wrote back explaining how the licence specifically allows me to use the software for free as a backup mail server as long as it has no real email boxes. (I only have a total of about 10 mail boxes on the first instance! None on the second.) They said they would look into it. 6 months later, I get another nasty letter saying I am in violation. I call them and explain the situation and they said ok.. I am right, ignore it. Then it happened again. Now I just ignore it. I also stopped upgrading and am moving most of the mailboxes to google. At 08:44 PM 9/29/2010, you wrote: Smartertools used to be great, but the bigger they got the more arrogant they got and the higher their prices got and the worse the customer service got, you wouldn't believe how rude they are. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:337856 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Looking for the right SMTP server
I am glad you said that. I thought it was me. I never had a software company be as rude to me as smartertools. They detected that I had the software running on 2 servers and sent me a really rude invoice asking me to pay for the second licence. I wrote back explaining how the licence specifically allows me to use the software for free as a backup mail server as long as it has no real email boxes. (I only have a total of about 10 mail boxes on the first instance! None on the second.) They said they would look into it. 6 months later, I get another nasty letter saying I am in violation. I call them and explain the situation and they said ok.. I am right, ignore it. Then it happened again. Now I just ignore it. I also stopped upgrading and am moving most of the mailboxes to google. At 08:44 PM 9/29/2010, you wrote: Smartertools used to be great, but the bigger they got the more arrogant they got and the higher their prices got and the worse the customer service got, you wouldn't believe how rude they are. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:337851 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Looking for the right SMTP server
Smartertools used to be great, but the bigger they got the more arrogant they got and the higher their prices got and the worse the customer service got, you wouldn't believe how rude they are. Since we're talking about full-on mail servers now, I'll toss out ModusMail by Vircom. They've been around for a long time and support is still great, spam filtering is second-to-none, and it's easy to manage and troubleshoot even though it is very flexible with tons of options. It is, however, somewhat expensive compared with other Windows-based mail servers. In my opinion it's worth every penny though. -Justin ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:337688 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Looking for the right SMTP server
Damn I miss IMS! Howie where the heck are you? Where did www.coolfusion.com disappear to?? Brook -Original Message- From: Justin Scott [mailto:jscott-li...@gravityfree.com] Sent: September-30-10 8:06 AM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Looking for the right SMTP server Smartertools used to be great, but the bigger they got the more arrogant they got and the higher their prices got and the worse the customer service got, you wouldn't believe how rude they are. Since we're talking about full-on mail servers now, I'll toss out ModusMail by Vircom. They've been around for a long time and support is still great, spam filtering is second-to-none, and it's easy to manage and troubleshoot even though it is very flexible with tons of options. It is, however, somewhat expensive compared with other Windows-based mail servers. In my opinion it's worth every penny though. -Justin ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:337692 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Looking for the right SMTP server
Damn I miss IMS! Question is: does it store its logs in a database? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:337701 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Looking for the right SMTP server
I just got an email from MarshallSoft on their new api program. http://www.marshallsoft.com/mcm.htm Client Mailer Features â¢Uses macro substitution to personalize outgoing letters. â¢Can send text or HTML letters. â¢Supports multiple attachments. â¢Can handle arbitrarily large lists of recipients. â¢Detects duplicate email addresses. â¢Supports multiple lists of recipients that should always be skipped. â¢Supports ASCII, and ISO_8859 character sets. â¢Supports WIN_1252, WIN_1255, and UTF8 character sets. â¢Can use up to 24 connections simultaneously for fast email delivery. â¢Can process undeliverable mail replies. â¢Can process multiple user replies (REMOVE, CONFIRM, etc) â¢Has extensive error detection and logging capability ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:337702 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Looking for the right SMTP server
Hi, I run several sites specialized for associations. They send thousand of mails to their members. Presently I'm using Mail-enable, but I'm looking for a better tool to help me manage all these mails. What I'd like is to be able to assign an Id to each mail and be able to trace it through all steps involved in the process. The way ME stores activities in flat log files makes it a PITA to do the job. What I'd like is to be able to: - have logs registered in a database so I can search for them and get reports easily from CF. - have simple logs like message delivered at such time or delivery failed for such reason. - logs include fields for Subject, From: and To: addresses Does any one know such a gem? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:337603 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Looking for the right SMTP server
Claude- Take a look at JangoSMTP and SMTP2Go I forget which one offers audit and tracking,and I'm not sure if it contains all the data you are wanting to capture, but it is a place to start. I'm pretty sure both have test account/trials so you can see if they fit your needs. /Scott ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:337635 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Looking for the right SMTP server
Take a look at JangoSMTP and SMTP2Go Thanks, but these are external mail services. I'm more looking for a true SMTP server software I can install on my own server. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:337640 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Looking for the right SMTP server
SendGrid is a third part smtp host. They provied the analytics, deliverance, tracking and increasing your deliverablity. They do not have connectors to CRM. If you want that, take a look at SalesFusion which goes to both Dynamics and Salesforce. http://sendgrid.com/ http://www.SalesFusion.com/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:337641 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Looking for the right SMTP server
SendGrid is a third part smtp host. Thanks, but I'm not looking for a hosted service, but for a true server software. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:337642 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Looking for the right SMTP server
For windows try hmailserver, its rather good for a free server. Regards -- Russ Michaels www.cfmldeveloper.com - free CFML hosting for developers my blog: http://russ.michaels.me.uk/ skype: russmichaels ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:337643 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Looking for the right SMTP server
There's this: http://code.google.com/p/subetha/ I've used bits of that project for doing mail stuff. Very configurable/extendable. :Den -- Convictions are more dangerous foes of truth than lies. Friedrich Nietzsche On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:18 AM, wrote: SendGrid is a third part smtp host. Thanks, but I'm not looking for a hosted service, but for a true server software. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:337647 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Looking for the right SMTP server
We've been using SmarterMail since iMIS kind of disappeared. Not bad, but we're having problems with it choking somewhere between 58k-140k messages. Pretty easy to trace individual messages through their logs, and search utilities in the console. We also have mailenable in use, and it has been rock solid. Doesn't have the ease of search for tracing that SmarterMail does. All that said, we're looking at moving to a 3rd-party service due to the difficulty in managing the large amount of messages we send -- can be several hundred thousand a day depending on the news day. Cheers, Kris Thanks, but I'm not looking for a hosted service, but for a true server software. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:337669 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Looking for the right SMTP server
Smartertools used to be great, but the bigger they got the more arrogant they got and the higher their prices got and the worse the customer service got, you wouldn't believe how rude they are. I think smartermail was the best solution on a budget for a long while, not sure if that is still the case now though, although it is not as expensive as some. We put hundreds of thousands of emails through MDaemon every day, on a not especially powerful server. So if your prepared to pay for a mail solution, this is the best one we have used so far, support is pretty good too. We also use Merak Mail which has done us well for many years, however it is far too expensive now and their support is the most diabolical you could imagine. You cannot trust any advice they give you as it could totally screw up your server and cause email to be lost, that is if they even reply, not unusual for them to take weeks or even months to reply to tickets. There are also plenty of other cheap or free solutions. argo mail hmail mailenable On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 1:31 AM, Kris Jones kris.jon...@verizon.net wrote: We've been using SmarterMail since iMIS kind of disappeared. Not bad, but we're having problems with it choking somewhere between 58k-140k messages. Pretty easy to trace individual messages through their logs, and search utilities in the console. We also have mailenable in use, and it has been rock solid. Doesn't have the ease of search for tracing that SmarterMail does. All that said, we're looking at moving to a 3rd-party service due to the difficulty in managing the large amount of messages we send -- can be several hundred thousand a day depending on the news day. Cheers, Kris Thanks, but I'm not looking for a hosted service, but for a true server software. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:337670 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Looking for the right SMTP server
Claude, what about an external solution. I've found that MailChimp (www.mailchimp.com) does all what you want, and you don't have to manage it. Moreover there's a CFC wrapper for their API if you really want to get into working out a coding solution. Myself I'd rather not reinvent the wheel. regards, larry Hi, I run several sites specialized for associations. They send thousand of mails to their members. Presently I'm using Mail-enable, but I'm looking for a better tool to help me manage all these mails. What I'd like is to be able to assign an Id to each mail and be able to trace it through all steps involved in the process. The way ME stores activities in flat log files makes it a PITA to do the job. What I'd like is to be able to: - have logs registered in a database so I can search for them and get reports easily from CF. - have simple logs like message delivered at such time or delivery failed for such reason. - logs include fields for Subject, From: and To: addresses Does any one know such a gem? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:337673 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Looking for the right SMTP server
Pretty easy to trace individual messages through their logs, and search utilities in the console. Ok, but are the log stored in a database in real time? I've written a small application to convert MailEnable text files into a database, but I have to reread the whole file every time I want to trace messages the same day, since the file grows up until the next day. I need to be able to automatically identify addresses causing a problem, and have my customers get a report about their mailing from inside their application. I don't want to trace messages by hand using any console on the server. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:337674 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Looking for the right SMTP server
Thanks. I've seen a couple of them, some store accounts in a database indeed, but no one clearly states that the logs go in it as well. Having accounts in a database is fine if you need to have customers manage their own mail boxes from their application, but what I'm looking for more specifically are logs in a database. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:337675 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
