Re: Solr Summary Text

2011-09-20 Thread Victor Moore

Dean,

I will greatly appreciated if you can find them. I have looked
everywhere and nothing pops up as obvious.
There a number of people having the same issue in the last few months
but no definitive answer and (unfortunately) Adobe is not very
helpful. If anything the docs are wrong as ContextBytes has no effect.
One will think that after 2+years since the product was released they
will at least update the docs.

Regards
Victor

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 9:04 PM, Dean Lawrence dean...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey Victor,

 Yes, I was finally able to get this working. If I remember correctly,
 it was a combination of editing the schema.xml and the solrconfig.xml
 files. However, I don't remember what updates I actually made. I will
 try to compare my backup files with the live files that are working.
 I'm pretty swamped over the next couple of days, but I will try to
 post my results as soon as I can.

 Dean

 On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Victor Moore victor.mo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dean,

 did you find a solution to this?  I have cf 901 with CHF901 installed
 and no luck

 Regards
 Victor


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Re: Solr Summary Text

2011-09-19 Thread Victor Moore

Dean,

did you find a solution to this?  I have cf 901 with CHF901 installed
and no luck

Regards
Victor

On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Dean Lawrence dean...@gmail.com wrote:

 I don't believe so. I'll have to double check. I did look at the
 release notes though and did not see anything related to Solr. If I
 don't have the newest CHF installed, I will try to get it installed
 this evening to see if that changes anything.

 On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Raymond Camden rcam...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ah ok - thanks for the clarification. You mentioned 901. Are you also
 running the CHF?




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Re: Solr Summary Text

2011-09-19 Thread Dan Baughman

You can change solr's configuration through editing its text file to include
the context when the entries in that collection are updated.

I can't recall off the top of my head how to do this, but I can you can dig
around on google for adding context to solr coldfusion 9 or something.

They say the reason they excluded that is because it makes the index much
smaller to omit the context and only include the title. I guess I see
their point but in my experience it would save me tons of time if they would
just enable it by default.

Dan

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 6:52 PM, Victor Moore victor.mo...@gmail.comwrote:


 Dean,

 did you find a solution to this?  I have cf 901 with CHF901 installed
 and no luck

 Regards
 Victor

 On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Dean Lawrence dean...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  I don't believe so. I'll have to double check. I did look at the
  release notes though and did not see anything related to Solr. If I
  don't have the newest CHF installed, I will try to get it installed
  this evening to see if that changes anything.
 
  On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Raymond Camden rcam...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Ah ok - thanks for the clarification. You mentioned 901. Are you also
  running the CHF?
 
 
 
 
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Re: Solr Summary Text

2011-09-19 Thread Dean Lawrence

Hey Victor,

Yes, I was finally able to get this working. If I remember correctly,
it was a combination of editing the schema.xml and the solrconfig.xml
files. However, I don't remember what updates I actually made. I will
try to compare my backup files with the live files that are working.
I'm pretty swamped over the next couple of days, but I will try to
post my results as soon as I can.

Dean

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Victor Moore victor.mo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dean,

 did you find a solution to this?  I have cf 901 with CHF901 installed
 and no luck

 Regards
 Victor


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Re: Solr Summary Text

2011-09-19 Thread Victor Moore

I will check it out and let you know.
You are right, kind of disappointing that some many things were left
out of the cf9 implementation of solr .

Thank you Sir
Victor

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 8:57 PM, Dan Baughman dan.baugh...@gmail.com wrote:

 You can change solr's configuration through editing its text file to include
 the context when the entries in that collection are updated.

 I can't recall off the top of my head how to do this, but I can you can dig
 around on google for adding context to solr coldfusion 9 or something.

 They say the reason they excluded that is because it makes the index much
 smaller to omit the context and only include the title. I guess I see
 their point but in my experience it would save me tons of time if they would
 just enable it by default.

 Dan

 On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 6:52 PM, Victor Moore victor.mo...@gmail.comwrote:


 Dean,

 did you find a solution to this?  I have cf 901 with CHF901 installed
 and no luck

 Regards
 Victo

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Re: Solr Summary Text

2011-03-17 Thread Raymond Camden

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Dean Lawrence dean...@gmail.com wrote:
 Unfortunately, the contextPassages does not seem to work with Solr.
 When using it against a verity collection, but the summary and context
 columns are populated with the same text which is properly being
 controlled by the contextPassages setting. However, when I try the
 exact same settings against a Solr collection, the summary column
 still has very limited information in it and the context column is
 empty.

I want to pick up on one small point here. Obviously you want context
to have data in it. But it seemed as if you were saying you also
wanted context to equal summary since it does Verity. You don't really
want that, do you?

-r

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Re: Solr Summary Text

2011-03-17 Thread Dean Lawrence

Hey Ray,

I am actually just looking for something that is usable to display
back to the end-user. When I mentioned the information that was
appearing in the summary and context columns, I was only stating what
I was seeing in a dump of collections. For me, I don't really care if
the descriptive text that I show with the search results comes from
summary or context column, just that it is there somewhere. I'm not
trying to do anything fancy with suggestions or previous searches or
anything like that. I just want to query the collection and return a
list of results showing the document title and some copy of what the
document contains. If you have any additional insight into any way
that I can tweak this, it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Dean

On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Raymond Camden rcam...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Dean Lawrence dean...@gmail.com wrote:
 Unfortunately, the contextPassages does not seem to work with Solr.
 When using it against a verity collection, but the summary and context
 columns are populated with the same text which is properly being
 controlled by the contextPassages setting. However, when I try the
 exact same settings against a Solr collection, the summary column
 still has very limited information in it and the context column is
 empty.

 I want to pick up on one small point here. Obviously you want context
 to have data in it. But it seemed as if you were saying you also
 wanted context to equal summary since it does Verity. You don't really
 want that, do you?

 -r

 

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Re: Solr Summary Text

2011-03-17 Thread Raymond Camden

Ah ok - thanks for the clarification. You mentioned 901. Are you also
running the CHF?


On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 8:08 AM, Dean Lawrence dean...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey Ray,

 I am actually just looking for something that is usable to display
 back to the end-user. When I mentioned the information that was
 appearing in the summary and context columns, I was only stating what
 I was seeing in a dump of collections. For me, I don't really care if
 the descriptive text that I show with the search results comes from
 summary or context column, just that it is there somewhere. I'm not
 trying to do anything fancy with suggestions or previous searches or
 anything like that. I just want to query the collection and return a
 list of results showing the document title and some copy of what the
 document contains. If you have any additional insight into any way
 that I can tweak this, it would be greatly appreciated.

 Thanks,

 Dean

 On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Raymond Camden rcam...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Dean Lawrence dean...@gmail.com wrote:
 Unfortunately, the contextPassages does not seem to work with Solr.
 When using it against a verity collection, but the summary and context
 columns are populated with the same text which is properly being
 controlled by the contextPassages setting. However, when I try the
 exact same settings against a Solr collection, the summary column
 still has very limited information in it and the context column is
 empty.

 I want to pick up on one small point here. Obviously you want context
 to have data in it. But it seemed as if you were saying you also
 wanted context to equal summary since it does Verity. You don't really
 want that, do you?

 -r



 

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Re: Solr Summary Text

2011-03-17 Thread Dean Lawrence

I don't believe so. I'll have to double check. I did look at the
release notes though and did not see anything related to Solr. If I
don't have the newest CHF installed, I will try to get it installed
this evening to see if that changes anything.

On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Raymond Camden rcam...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ah ok - thanks for the clarification. You mentioned 901. Are you also
 running the CHF?




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Re: Solr Summary Text

2011-03-16 Thread Dean Lawrence

Am I the only one who is having a problem with this? I know that Adobe will be 
dropping support for Verity in future releases, so I would like to move over to 
Solr. However, this is really making it difficult as the summary really isn't 
good enough to let someone know if the result is what they were looking for or 
not.

Any insight, even if it is to that's as good as it gets, would be very much 
appreciated.

Thanks,

Dean

 Does anyone know if you can control how much text is included in the 
 summary text that Solr returns with it's results? I am trying to 
 migrate from Verity to Solr, but the summary text that I am getting 
 back is very short when using Solr. With Verity, I get back about a 
 paragraph or so of text, but for the same data record with Solr, I am 
 less than a sentence. I have tried adjusting both the contextBytes and 
 contextPassages settings, but neither one changes what is being 
 returned.
 
 I am running CF 9.01 and the content that is being indexed are 
 database records. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
 Dean 


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Re: Solr Summary Text

2011-03-16 Thread Dorioo

1. According to the docs, the summary is automatically generated by
cfindex so that's unlikely to help.
2. The context summary may provide more information for you so I'd check
it out to see what kind of results it gives you.

contextPassages |  Optional | 0 | The number of passages/sentences Verity
returns in the context summary (that is, the context column of the results).
The default i s 0, which disables context summary.

3. It might be possible to mess with the solr instance directly to get this
information, but I haven't tried it and assume you'd like to keep the
solution within CF.

- Gabriel

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Dean Lawrence dean...@gmail.com wrote:


 Am I the only one who is having a problem with this? I know that Adobe will
 be dropping support for Verity in future releases, so I would like to move
 over to Solr. However, this is really making it difficult as the summary
 really isn't good enough to let someone know if the result is what they were
 looking for or not.

 Any insight, even if it is to that's as good as it gets, would be very
 much appreciated.

 Thanks,

 Dean

  Does anyone know if you can control how much text is included in the
  summary text that Solr returns with it's results? I am trying to
  migrate from Verity to Solr, but the summary text that I am getting
  back is very short when using Solr. With Verity, I get back about a
  paragraph or so of text, but for the same data record with Solr, I am
  less than a sentence. I have tried adjusting both the contextBytes and
  contextPassages settings, but neither one changes what is being
  returned.
 
  I am running CF 9.01 and the content that is being indexed are
  database records. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
  Dean


 

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Re: Solr Summary Text

2011-03-16 Thread Dean Lawrence

Thanks Gabriel,

Unfortunately, the contextPassages does not seem to work with Solr.
When using it against a verity collection, but the summary and context
columns are populated with the same text which is properly being
controlled by the contextPassages setting. However, when I try the
exact same settings against a Solr collection, the summary column
still has very limited information in it and the context column is
empty.

You are correct that I would prefer to keep it in CF, as this would
allow me to perform per-collection tuning. However, if there is a
config file somewhere that affect all Solr collections, then I am fine
making the change there as well.

Dean

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Dorioo dor...@gmail.com wrote:

 1. According to the docs, the summary is automatically generated by
 cfindex so that's unlikely to help.
 2. The context summary may provide more information for you so I'd check
 it out to see what kind of results it gives you.

 contextPassages |  Optional | 0 | The number of passages/sentences Verity
 returns in the context summary (that is, the context column of the results).
 The default i s 0, which disables context summary.

 3. It might be possible to mess with the solr instance directly to get this
 information, but I haven't tried it and assume you'd like to keep the
 solution within CF.

 - Gabriel

 On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Dean Lawrence dean...@gmail.com wrote:


 Am I the only one who is having a problem with this? I know that Adobe will
 be dropping support for Verity in future releases, so I would like to move
 over to Solr. However, this is really making it difficult as the summary
 really isn't good enough to let someone know if the result is what they were
 looking for or not.

 Any insight, even if it is to that's as good as it gets, would be very
 much appreciated.

 Thanks,

 Dean

  Does anyone know if you can control how much text is included in the
  summary text that Solr returns with it's results? I am trying to
  migrate from Verity to Solr, but the summary text that I am getting
  back is very short when using Solr. With Verity, I get back about a
  paragraph or so of text, but for the same data record with Solr, I am
  less than a sentence. I have tried adjusting both the contextBytes and
  contextPassages settings, but neither one changes what is being
  returned.
 
  I am running CF 9.01 and the content that is being indexed are
  database records. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
  Dean




 

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Re: Solr Summary Text

2011-03-16 Thread Dorioo

Then it may be as good as it gets within CF, unfortunately. Don't know if
it's even possible to change the length of the summary that is automatically
created by CF.

Another idea is to query the collection directly and process the XML that is
returned yourself. If you look at the doc  arr name=spell  str node,
it may contain all of the text that is indexed and you could use that to
create your own summary.

The url below might show your collections. Click on one and provide a a
query string to see the results. Otherwise, change the url needed based on
where your solr server is running.

http://localhost:8983/solr/

- Gabriel

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Dean Lawrence dean...@gmail.com wrote:


 Thanks Gabriel,

 Unfortunately, the contextPassages does not seem to work with Solr.
 When using it against a verity collection, but the summary and context
 columns are populated with the same text which is properly being
 controlled by the contextPassages setting. However, when I try the
 exact same settings against a Solr collection, the summary column
 still has very limited information in it and the context column is
 empty.

 You are correct that I would prefer to keep it in CF, as this would
 allow me to perform per-collection tuning. However, if there is a
 config file somewhere that affect all Solr collections, then I am fine
 making the change there as well.

 Dean

 On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Dorioo dor...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  1. According to the docs, the summary is automatically generated by
  cfindex so that's unlikely to help.
  2. The context summary may provide more information for you so I'd
 check
  it out to see what kind of results it gives you.
 
  contextPassages |  Optional | 0 | The number of passages/sentences Verity
  returns in the context summary (that is, the context column of the
 results).
  The default i s 0, which disables context summary.
 
  3. It might be possible to mess with the solr instance directly to get
 this
  information, but I haven't tried it and assume you'd like to keep the
  solution within CF.
 
  - Gabriel
 
  On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Dean Lawrence dean...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 
  Am I the only one who is having a problem with this? I know that Adobe
 will
  be dropping support for Verity in future releases, so I would like to
 move
  over to Solr. However, this is really making it difficult as the summary
  really isn't good enough to let someone know if the result is what they
 were
  looking for or not.
 
  Any insight, even if it is to that's as good as it gets, would be very
  much appreciated.
 
  Thanks,
 
  Dean
 
   Does anyone know if you can control how much text is included in the
   summary text that Solr returns with it's results? I am trying to
   migrate from Verity to Solr, but the summary text that I am getting
   back is very short when using Solr. With Verity, I get back about a
   paragraph or so of text, but for the same data record with Solr, I am
   less than a sentence. I have tried adjusting both the contextBytes and
   contextPassages settings, but neither one changes what is being
   returned.
  
   I am running CF 9.01 and the content that is being indexed are
   database records. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
  
   Dean
 
 
 
 
 

 

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Re: Solr Summary Text

2011-03-16 Thread Dan Baughman

They work you just have to adjust ur settings.  You have to edit the xml
files that configure solr so that they retain the text and thus can present
the context passage.

Follow these instructions and then rebuild your index and you'll have
context passages:
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/ColdFusion/9.0/Developing/WSe9cbe5cf462523a0-5bf1c839123792503fa-8000.html

http://help.adobe.com/en_US/ColdFusion/9.0/Developing/WSe9cbe5cf462523a0-5bf1c839123792503fa-8000.htmlI,
for one, found that solr was immensely more powerful and graceful than
verity once I got it grokked.  Solr has a wiki that breaks down their query
syntax, as well, so check it out. You can do almost anything.

To really get soem of the good stuff for ecommerce and heavy category
searching ( facet counts, facet queries, etc) you have to directly interact
with the solr web service rather than going through cfsearch, but its
generally worth it.  There are some cfc's out there that do it, check ria
forge.

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Dean Lawrence dean...@gmail.com wrote:


 Thanks Gabriel,

 Unfortunately, the contextPassages does not seem to work with Solr.
 When using it against a verity collection, but the summary and context
 columns are populated with the same text which is properly being
 controlled by the contextPassages setting. However, when I try the
 exact same settings against a Solr collection, the summary column
 still has very limited information in it and the context column is
 empty.

 You are correct that I would prefer to keep it in CF, as this would
 allow me to perform per-collection tuning. However, if there is a
 config file somewhere that affect all Solr collections, then I am fine
 making the change there as well.

 Dean

 On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Dorioo dor...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  1. According to the docs, the summary is automatically generated by
  cfindex so that's unlikely to help.
  2. The context summary may provide more information for you so I'd
 check
  it out to see what kind of results it gives you.
 
  contextPassages |  Optional | 0 | The number of passages/sentences Verity
  returns in the context summary (that is, the context column of the
 results).
  The default i s 0, which disables context summary.
 
  3. It might be possible to mess with the solr instance directly to get
 this
  information, but I haven't tried it and assume you'd like to keep the
  solution within CF.
 
  - Gabriel
 
  On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Dean Lawrence dean...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 
  Am I the only one who is having a problem with this? I know that Adobe
 will
  be dropping support for Verity in future releases, so I would like to
 move
  over to Solr. However, this is really making it difficult as the summary
  really isn't good enough to let someone know if the result is what they
 were
  looking for or not.
 
  Any insight, even if it is to that's as good as it gets, would be very
  much appreciated.
 
  Thanks,
 
  Dean
 
   Does anyone know if you can control how much text is included in the
   summary text that Solr returns with it's results? I am trying to
   migrate from Verity to Solr, but the summary text that I am getting
   back is very short when using Solr. With Verity, I get back about a
   paragraph or so of text, but for the same data record with Solr, I am
   less than a sentence. I have tried adjusting both the contextBytes and
   contextPassages settings, but neither one changes what is being
   returned.
  
   I am running CF 9.01 and the content that is being indexed are
   database records. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
  
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Re: Solr Summary Text

2011-03-16 Thread Dean Lawrence

Thanks Gabriel and Dan, you've at least pointed me in a direction to
research some more.

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Dan Baughman dan.baugh...@gmail.com wrote:
 They work you just have to adjust ur settings.  You have to edit the xml
 files that configure solr so that they retain the text and thus can present
 the context passage.
 Follow these instructions and then rebuild your index and you'll have
 context passages:
 http://help.adobe.com/en_US/ColdFusion/9.0/Developing/WSe9cbe5cf462523a0-5bf1c839123792503fa-8000.html
 I, for one, found that solr was immensely more powerful and graceful than
 verity once I got it grokked.  Solr has a wiki that breaks down their query
 syntax, as well, so check it out. You can do almost anything.
 To really get soem of the good stuff for ecommerce and heavy category
 searching ( facet counts, facet queries, etc) you have to directly interact
 with the solr web service rather than going through cfsearch, but its
 generally worth it.  There are some cfc's out there that do it, check ria
 forge.

 On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Dean Lawrence dean...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks Gabriel,

 Unfortunately, the contextPassages does not seem to work with Solr.
 When using it against a verity collection, but the summary and context
 columns are populated with the same text which is properly being
 controlled by the contextPassages setting. However, when I try the
 exact same settings against a Solr collection, the summary column
 still has very limited information in it and the context column is
 empty.

 You are correct that I would prefer to keep it in CF, as this would
 allow me to perform per-collection tuning. However, if there is a
 config file somewhere that affect all Solr collections, then I am fine
 making the change there as well.

 Dean

 On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Dorioo dor...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  1. According to the docs, the summary is automatically generated by
  cfindex so that's unlikely to help.
  2. The context summary may provide more information for you so I'd
  check
  it out to see what kind of results it gives you.
 
  contextPassages |  Optional | 0 | The number of passages/sentences
  Verity
  returns in the context summary (that is, the context column of the
  results).
  The default i s 0, which disables context summary.
 
  3. It might be possible to mess with the solr instance directly to get
  this
  information, but I haven't tried it and assume you'd like to keep the
  solution within CF.
 
  - Gabriel
 
  On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Dean Lawrence dean...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
 
  Am I the only one who is having a problem with this? I know that Adobe
  will
  be dropping support for Verity in future releases, so I would like to
  move
  over to Solr. However, this is really making it difficult as the
  summary
  really isn't good enough to let someone know if the result is what they
  were
  looking for or not.
 
  Any insight, even if it is to that's as good as it gets, would be
  very
  much appreciated.
 
  Thanks,
 
  Dean
 
   Does anyone know if you can control how much text is included in the
   summary text that Solr returns with it's results? I am trying to
   migrate from Verity to Solr, but the summary text that I am getting
   back is very short when using Solr. With Verity, I get back about a
   paragraph or so of text, but for the same data record with Solr, I am
   less than a sentence. I have tried adjusting both the contextBytes
   and
   contextPassages settings, but neither one changes what is being
   returned.
  
   I am running CF 9.01 and the content that is being indexed are
   database records. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
  
   Dean
 
 
 
 
 

 

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Solr Summary Text

2011-03-14 Thread Dean Lawrence

Does anyone know if you can control how much text is included in the summary 
text that Solr returns with it's results? I am trying to migrate from Verity to 
Solr, but the summary text that I am getting back is very short when using 
Solr. With Verity, I get back about a paragraph or so of text, but for the same 
data record with Solr, I am less than a sentence. I have tried adjusting both 
the contextBytes and contextPassages settings, but neither one changes what is 
being returned.

I am running CF 9.01 and the content that is being indexed are database 
records. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Dean 

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