[cia-drugs] Re: [political-research] Dick Eastman Apologizes for His Antisemitism
Kris, Remember when Sean/Chip would not admit that the war in Iraq was about OIL? Are you familiar with Nico Haupt. I saw him at Fetzer's 911 book rollout event back in April 2007 at VOX POP in Brooklyn NY with Sander Hicks. Let's just put it like this: Nico is wrapped a bit too tight. He was gaunt and chain smoking cigarettes and claiming everybody was disinfo and CIA in a highly precise german accent. He has aligned himself with Webfairy and believes the planes crashing into WTC were not real, not possible. Fetzer believes that in addition to the planes and explosives, there must have been something like scalar weapons or mininukes used because the towers collapsed too fast. Nico thinks Fetzer is making progress in having made this accomodation but is still far off the mark. I told Fetzer that the minute you bring in the miraculous and magical stuff into the equation, you turn people off - better to just state what could not be a sufficient cause and leave it at that. 9/11/07 should be an interesting day in NYC. Whast do you think Victor Thorn and Lisa Guliani will be doing? --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, RoadsEnd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chip, you really are quite the gag-puller. Peace, Kris Millegan On Aug 28, 2007, at 10:44 AM, Sean McBride wrote: I'm not sure this post contributes to inter-ethnic amity, but Eastman has rather invited it. Generally, if you kick other ethnic or religious groups hard in sensitive areas, they will kick back. It's all purely Pavlovian. By the way, I've never allowed Dick Eastman to post here because of this problem he has. I think he's a sincere truth seeker with some original insights about deep politics, but injecting any form of bigotry into these discussions makes it impossible to proceed rationally. He needs to rework his world model from the ground up. tigerbengalis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He's still an asshat, no doubt still an anti-Semitic moron, and probably has a closet full of porn. Sean McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My comment: Dick Eastman deserves some credit for acknowledging and apologizing for the antisemitism which disfigures quite a few of his posts. (And Mark Bilk and I deserve some credit for confronting him about this antisemitism.) No one is beyond redemption -- perhaps Eastman will begin to think more clearly about these issues in the future. A basic rule of thumb: judge people as individuals, not as members of ethnic, religious or national groups. Don't attack entire groups of people on the basis of ethnic, religious or national stereotypes. It's the American Way. All forms of obsessive ethnic and religious bigotry are much like alcoholism -- the victims of this disease need help. Deep inside all bigots know that they have a psychological problem and that this is no way to live. Dick Eastman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Dick Eastman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: When I attacked Jewish culture in my last post -- I crossed over into Hitlerland. Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 00:55:48 -0700 I have let myself become unjustly critical of Jews as a group -- greatly harming the effort of bringing to justice individual (Jewish) perpetrators of specific monstrous crimes and social problems Mark Bilk warned me this would happen. As some find it hard not to blame the white man in general -- so this white man has gone and slandered innocent Jews (by bunching them with the guilty ones.) Guilt belongs only to individuals. Collective guilt is unjust. And to attack a people and their entire culture is to engage in collective guilt. I probably won't quit posting -- never seem to be able to do that for long. But you and I know that I have a problem. It doesn't matter how right I am on some things -- better to let the guilty go free than to condemn the innocent. Dick Eastman Yakima, Washington p.s. in case you are confused -- I am referring to my post: Re: Weaponized Porn -- letters and responses -- oi vey! Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center.
Re: [cia-drugs] Re: [political-research] Dick Eastman Apologizes for His Antisemitism
Did you notice who was on the History Channel as the big Debunker, ol' J.F. Chipper, himself. Now, isn't it funny that the biggest debunker (Democracy Now and now the History Channel) has NO (Well, not under his name) presence in the email community about 9-11. Peace, K On Aug 28, 2007, at 12:10 PM, mark urban wrote: Kris, Remember when Sean/Chip would not admit that the war in Iraq was about OIL? Are you familiar with Nico Haupt. I saw him at Fetzer's 911 book rollout event back in April 2007 at VOX POP in Brooklyn NY with Sander Hicks. Let's just put it like this: Nico is wrapped a bit too tight. He was gaunt and chain smoking cigarettes and claiming everybody was disinfo and CIA in a highly precise german accent. He has aligned himself with Webfairy and believes the planes crashing into WTC were not real, not possible. Fetzer believes that in addition to the planes and explosives, there must have been something like scalar weapons or mininukes used because the towers collapsed too fast. Nico thinks Fetzer is making progress in having made this accomodation but is still far off the mark. I told Fetzer that the minute you bring in the miraculous and magical stuff into the equation, you turn people off - better to just state what could not be a sufficient cause and leave it at that. 9/11/07 should be an interesting day in NYC. Whast do you think Victor Thorn and Lisa Guliani will be doing? --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, RoadsEnd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chip, you really are quite the gag-puller. Peace, Kris Millegan On Aug 28, 2007, at 10:44 AM, Sean McBride wrote: I'm not sure this post contributes to inter-ethnic amity, but Eastman has rather invited it. Generally, if you kick other ethnic or religious groups hard in sensitive areas, they will kick back. It's all purely Pavlovian. By the way, I've never allowed Dick Eastman to post here because of this problem he has. I think he's a sincere truth seeker with some original insights about deep politics, but injecting any form of bigotry into these discussions makes it impossible to proceed rationally. He needs to rework his world model from the ground up. tigerbengalis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He's still an asshat, no doubt still an anti-Semitic moron, and probably has a closet full of porn. Sean McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My comment: Dick Eastman deserves some credit for acknowledging and apologizing for the antisemitism which disfigures quite a few of his posts. (And Mark Bilk and I deserve some credit for confronting him about this antisemitism.) No one is beyond redemption -- perhaps Eastman will begin to think more clearly about these issues in the future. A basic rule of thumb: judge people as individuals, not as members of ethnic, religious or national groups. Don't attack entire groups of people on the basis of ethnic, religious or national stereotypes. It's the American Way. All forms of obsessive ethnic and religious bigotry are much like alcoholism -- the victims of this disease need help. Deep inside all bigots know that they have a psychological problem and that this is no way to live. Dick Eastman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Dick Eastman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: When I attacked Jewish culture in my last post -- I crossed over into Hitlerland. Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 00:55:48 -0700 I have let myself become unjustly critical of Jews as a group -- greatly harming the effort of bringing to justice individual (Jewish) perpetrators of specific monstrous crimes and social problems Mark Bilk warned me this would happen. As some find it hard not to blame the white man in general -- so this white man has gone and slandered innocent Jews (by bunching them with the guilty ones.) Guilt belongs only to individuals. Collective guilt is unjust. And to attack a people and their entire culture is to engage in collective guilt. I probably won't quit posting -- never seem to be able to do that for long. But you and I know that I have a problem. It doesn't matter how right I am on some things -- better to let the guilty go free than to condemn the innocent. Dick Eastman Yakima, Washington p.s. in case you are confused -- I am referring to my post: Re: Weaponized Porn -- letters and responses -- oi vey! Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links
[cia-drugs] Re: [political-research] Dick Eastman Apologizes for His Antisemitism
Chip Berlet is a spook, which makes Sean McBride another name for a spook. Peace, Kris Millegan On Aug 28, 2007, at 12:43 PM, Sean McBride wrote: For the record: it's still the case that I've never met with or communicated with Chip Berlet, nor have I barely thought of him since the last time this subject came up. I just did a quick search on Berlet and discovered that he now has a blog here: http://chipberlet.blogspot.com/ Frankly, to indulge in a bit of braggadocio, I think political- research and my Google Reader Shared Items page cover a much wider range of interesting topics than Berlet's blog. He seems to be mostly focused on Dominionism these days, and not much else. I must admit that I do agree with his views on that subject, as no doubt do most of the readers of this list. I favor the term Christian Armageddonists to describe the phenomenon. RoadsEnd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chip, you really are quite the gag-puller. Peace, Kris Millegan On Aug 28, 2007, at 10:44 AM, Sean McBride wrote: I'm not sure this post contributes to inter-ethnic amity, but Eastman has rather invited it. Generally, if you kick other ethnic or religious groups hard in sensitive areas, they will kick back. It's all purely Pavlovian. By the way, I've never allowed Dick Eastman to post here because of this problem he has. I think he's a sincere truth seeker with some original insights about deep politics, but injecting any form of bigotry into these discussions makes it impossible to proceed rationally. He needs to rework his world model from the ground up. tigerbengalis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He's still an asshat, no doubt still an anti-Semitic moron, and probably has a closet full of porn. Sean McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My comment: Dick Eastman deserves some credit for acknowledging and apologizing for the antisemitism which disfigures quite a few of his posts. (And Mark Bilk and I deserve some credit for confronting him about this antisemitism.) No one is beyond redemption -- perhaps Eastman will begin to think more clearly about these issues in the future. A basic rule of thumb: judge people as individuals, not as members of ethnic, religious or national groups. Don't attack entire groups of people on the basis of ethnic, religious or national stereotypes. It's the American Way. All forms of obsessive ethnic and religious bigotry are much like alcoholism -- the victims of this disease need help. Deep inside all bigots know that they have a psychological problem and that this is no way to live. Dick Eastman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Dick Eastman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: When I attacked Jewish culture in my last post -- I crossed over into Hitlerland. Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 00:55:48 -0700 I have let myself become unjustly critical of Jews as a group -- greatly harming the effort of bringing to justice individual (Jewish) perpetrators of specific monstrous crimes and social problems Mark Bilk warned me this would happen. As some find it hard not to blame the white man in general -- so this white man has gone and slandered innocent Jews (by bunching them with the guilty ones.) Guilt belongs only to individuals. Collective guilt is unjust. And to attack a people and their entire culture is to engage in collective guilt. I probably won't quit posting -- never seem to be able to do that for long. But you and I know that I have a problem. It doesn't matter how right I am on some things -- better to let the guilty go free than to condemn the innocent. Dick Eastman Yakima, Washington p.s. in case you are confused -- I am referring to my post: Re: Weaponized Porn -- letters and responses -- oi vey! Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. =
