Re: [CMake] CMake 3.9 change to dependencies of object compilation

[Robert Maynard]

I see no reason that we couldn't provide a TARGET_OBJ_DIR:tgt
generator expression that states where the objects reside. Opening
TARGET_OBJ_DIR and TARGET_OBJECTS to be evaluated for any target would
require some work, and an interested CMake developer.

FYI Due to XCode limitations we can't allow people to specify where
object files should be placed for a library :( .

On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Puetz Kevin A <puetzkev...@johndeere.com> wrote:
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Ben Boeckel [mailto:ben.boec...@kitware.com]
>> Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 12:55 PM
>> To: Puetz Kevin A <puetzkev...@johndeere.com>
>> Cc: cmake@cmake.org; Robert Maynard <robert.mayn...@kitware.com>
>> Subject: Re: CMake 3.9 change to dependencies of object compilation
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 04, 2017 at 17:35:53 +, Puetz Kevin A wrote:
>
>> > > > 2. MSVC's #import construct which needs the indirect dependencies
>> > > > (dependencies of the #import-ed dependency) be registered, which
>> > > > is handled as part of the target using add_custom_command(TARGET
>> > > > foo POST_BUILD COMMAND ...)
>> > >
>> > > So there's an issue here that there's a dependency between your
>> > > build rules which CMake doesn't know about (though I don't know
>> > > #import well enough, the docs don't state where the information
>> *goes*).
>> >
>> > #import will load a COM typelib during preprocessing, possibly
>> > following registry keys to locate other typelibs which the specified
>> > one refers to. It will have the byproduct of creating .tlh/.tli files
>> > next to the other compiler outputs (e.g. .o file) Arguably the
>> > .tlh/.tli files should be listed in OBJECT_OUTPUTS, but I can't
>> > because I don't know their location; CMake doesn't have a
>> > variable/property/generator expression that reveals where it's going
>> > to place the object files (i.e. /Fo$out), so I don't know where they
>> > will end up. Luckily the .tlh/.tli files aren't important to list for
>> > dependency resolution anyway, because the #import also automatically
>> > #includes the just-generated headers, (though this is not mentioned in
>> > /showIncludes). So CMake is at least *consistently* unaware of these
>> > files, and they get regenerated any time they would have been read so
>> > it doesn't really need to know.
>>
>> OK, a genex for where object outputs may be useful anyways. I think there's
>> something along those lines with Cuda's PTX file generation?
>
> It would also be really nice for things like precompiled headers; I have some 
> custom commands where it really feels right to put their outputs with the 
> other object files for a target (this automatically getting things right for 
> multi-configuration generators and such), but can't because there's no 
> expression for that. Something like $ would be very 
> welcome.
>
>> > The important missing dependency is the one between
>> > creating/regstering the typelib (we'll call this target COMServer) and
>> > the #import that will read it in a source file in another target
>> > (we'll call it COMClient).  I have a call add_custom_command(TARGET
>> > COMServer POST_BUILD COMMAND regsvr32 $> COMServer>),
>> > which will create the registry keys under HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT. This
>> > needs to happen before the source file in COMClient can preprocess the
>> > #import successfully. Prior to CMake 3.9, I could inform CMake of this
>> > by just using add_dependencies(COMClient COMServer) to tell CMake that
>> > it couldn't build (any of) Client until Server had been built (and
>> > thus its POST_BUILD had also run to register it). But in 3.9,
>> > add_dependencies has changed in meaning; although the documentation
>> > still says "to ensure that they build before  does", in
>> > practice this now only means "to ensure that they build before
>> >  *links*"; these edges do not apply to object compilation or
>> > add_custom_command rules.
>> >
>> > add_custom_command is no problem; it already had a DEPENDS argument
>> > that allows target-level dependencies, and arguably such dependencies
>> > needed to be stated there anyway since an add_custom_command output
>> > can get reused by multiple targets in the same subdir. But object
>> > compilation is a problem because there's nowhere to add them
>> > per-source, and add_dependencies doesn't work anymore to add them
>> > per-target.
>>
>> It sounds like

Re: [CMake] CMake 3.9 change to dependencies of object compilation

[Puetz Kevin A]

> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Boeckel [mailto:ben.boec...@kitware.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 12:55 PM
> To: Puetz Kevin A <puetzkev...@johndeere.com>
> Cc: cmake@cmake.org; Robert Maynard <robert.mayn...@kitware.com>
> Subject: Re: CMake 3.9 change to dependencies of object compilation
> 
> On Fri, Aug 04, 2017 at 17:35:53 +, Puetz Kevin A wrote:

> > > > 2. MSVC's #import construct which needs the indirect dependencies
> > > > (dependencies of the #import-ed dependency) be registered, which
> > > > is handled as part of the target using add_custom_command(TARGET
> > > > foo POST_BUILD COMMAND ...)
> > >
> > > So there's an issue here that there's a dependency between your
> > > build rules which CMake doesn't know about (though I don't know
> > > #import well enough, the docs don't state where the information
> *goes*).
> >
> > #import will load a COM typelib during preprocessing, possibly
> > following registry keys to locate other typelibs which the specified
> > one refers to. It will have the byproduct of creating .tlh/.tli files
> > next to the other compiler outputs (e.g. .o file) Arguably the
> > .tlh/.tli files should be listed in OBJECT_OUTPUTS, but I can't
> > because I don't know their location; CMake doesn't have a
> > variable/property/generator expression that reveals where it's going
> > to place the object files (i.e. /Fo$out), so I don't know where they
> > will end up. Luckily the .tlh/.tli files aren't important to list for
> > dependency resolution anyway, because the #import also automatically
> > #includes the just-generated headers, (though this is not mentioned in
> > /showIncludes). So CMake is at least *consistently* unaware of these
> > files, and they get regenerated any time they would have been read so
> > it doesn't really need to know.
> 
> OK, a genex for where object outputs may be useful anyways. I think there's
> something along those lines with Cuda's PTX file generation?

It would also be really nice for things like precompiled headers; I have some 
custom commands where it really feels right to put their outputs with the other 
object files for a target (this automatically getting things right for 
multi-configuration generators and such), but can't because there's no 
expression for that. Something like $ would be very welcome.

> > The important missing dependency is the one between
> > creating/regstering the typelib (we'll call this target COMServer) and
> > the #import that will read it in a source file in another target
> > (we'll call it COMClient).  I have a call add_custom_command(TARGET
> > COMServer POST_BUILD COMMAND regsvr32 $ COMServer>),
> > which will create the registry keys under HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT. This
> > needs to happen before the source file in COMClient can preprocess the
> > #import successfully. Prior to CMake 3.9, I could inform CMake of this
> > by just using add_dependencies(COMClient COMServer) to tell CMake that
> > it couldn't build (any of) Client until Server had been built (and
> > thus its POST_BUILD had also run to register it). But in 3.9,
> > add_dependencies has changed in meaning; although the documentation
> > still says "to ensure that they build before  does", in
> > practice this now only means "to ensure that they build before
> >  *links*"; these edges do not apply to object compilation or
> > add_custom_command rules.
> >
> > add_custom_command is no problem; it already had a DEPENDS argument
> > that allows target-level dependencies, and arguably such dependencies
> > needed to be stated there anyway since an add_custom_command output
> > can get reused by multiple targets in the same subdir. But object
> > compilation is a problem because there's nowhere to add them
> > per-source, and add_dependencies doesn't work anymore to add them
> > per-target.
> 
> It sounds like the logic may need fixing then. Do you have an example case
> where add_dependencies doesn't work anymore in Ninja?

CMakeLists.txt:
cmake_minimum_required(VERSION 3.7)

add_library(A SHARED a.c)

add_custom_command(TARGET A POST_BUILD
COMMENT "hello A"
COMMAND ${CMAKE_COMMAND} -E sleep 3
COMMAND ${CMAKE_COMMAND} -E echo "hello A")

add_custom_command(OUTPUT b.custom
COMMENT "hello B"
COMMAND ${CMAKE_COMMAND} -E touch b.custom)

add_executable(B b.c b.custom)
add_dependencies(B A)

a.c:
void foo() {}

b.c:
int main() { return 0; }

In CMake 3.7:

build cmake_order_depends_target_B: phony || A.dll b.custom
build b.custom: CUSTOM_COMMAND || A.dll
build CMakeFiles

Re: [CMake] CMake 3.9 change to dependencies of object compilation

[Puetz Kevin A]

> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Maynard [mailto:robert.mayn...@kitware.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 1:03 PM
> To: Ben Boeckel <ben.boec...@kitware.com>
> Cc: Puetz Kevin A <puetzkev...@johndeere.com>; cmake@cmake.org
> Subject: Re: CMake 3.9 change to dependencies of object compilation
> 
> You can find the location for object files by using
> $<TARGET_OBJECTS:${name}>. This can be used as the DEPENDS of a custom
> command. I would not try using OBJECT_OUTPUTS as IIRC that is only used by
> the makefile generator.

Isn't TARGET_OBJECTS  only for OBJECT libraries? I don't think it would give me 
a way to get the paths for the .o file that's going to result from a particular 
source file (in order to locate other files the compiler is going to generate 
alongside a .o file).

But and in any case, this was a little bit of an aside, just because Ben asked 
what #import generated. It would feel *correct* to inform that the .tlh/.tli 
files were OBJECT_OUTPUTS, but nothing in the processing really *needs* to 
know. The problem I'm having with 3.9 is the input dependency on registry keys 
(previously modeled as a dependency on the target whose POST_BUILD would create 
them), not on the outputs.
 
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Re: [CMake] CMake 3.9 change to dependencies of object compilation

[Puetz Kevin A]

Thanks for the reply, questions/clarifications below.

> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Boeckel [mailto:ben.boec...@kitware.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 10:59 AM
> To: cmake@cmake.org
> Cc: Robert Maynard <robert.mayn...@kitware.com>; Puetz Kevin A
> <puetzkev...@johndeere.com>
> Subject: Re: CMake 3.9 change to dependencies of object compilation
> 
> > . The Ninja generator has loosened the dependencies of object
> > compilation. Object compilation now depends only on custom targets and
> > custom commands associated with libraries on which the object's target
> > depends and no longer depends on the libraries themselves. Source
> > files in dependent targets may now compile without waiting for their
> > targets' dependencies to link.
> 
> Correct.
> 
> > We have a few cases where the object compilation really does depend on
> > the TARGET_FILE itself, e.g.
> > 1. An RC compiler embedding the resulting file of a custom target (I
> > think this one may still work, since custom targets appear to have
> > been exempted from the change)
> 
> Correct, though this issue:
> 
> https://gitlab.kitware.com/cmake/cmake/issues/17097
> 
> requests that that be fixed as well (though that is backwards compatible
> since the solution will likely involve ).

Sentence cut off? I assume you meant "will likely involve a new keyword"?

> > 2. MSVC's #import construct which needs the indirect dependencies
> > (dependencies of the #import-ed dependency) be registered, which is
> > handled as part of the target using add_custom_command(TARGET foo
> > POST_BUILD COMMAND ...)
> 
> So there's an issue here that there's a dependency between your build rules
> which CMake doesn't know about (though I don't know #import well
> enough, the docs don't state where the information *goes*).

#import will load a COM typelib during preprocessing, possibly following 
registry keys to locate other typelibs which the specified one refers to. It 
will have the byproduct of creating .tlh/.tli files next to the other compiler 
outputs (e.g. .o file) Arguably the .tlh/.tli files should be listed in 
OBJECT_OUTPUTS, but I can't because I don't know their location; CMake doesn't 
have a variable/property/generator expression that reveals where it's going to 
place the object files (i.e. /Fo$out), so I don't know where they will end up. 
Luckily the .tlh/.tli files aren't important to list for dependency resolution 
anyway, because the #import also automatically #includes the just-generated 
headers, (though this is not mentioned in /showIncludes). So CMake is at least 
*consistently* unaware of these files, and they get regenerated any time they 
would have been read so it doesn't really need to know.

The important missing dependency is the one between creating/regstering the 
typelib (we'll call this target COMServer) and the #import that will read it in 
a source file in another target (we'll call it COMClient).  I have a call 
add_custom_command(TARGET COMServer POST_BUILD COMMAND regsvr32 $), which will create the registry keys under HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT. This 
needs to happen before the source file in COMClient can preprocess the #import 
successfully. Prior to CMake 3.9, I could inform CMake of this by just using 
add_dependencies(COMClient COMServer) to tell CMake that it couldn't build (any 
of) Client until Server had been built (and thus its POST_BUILD had also run to 
register it). But in 3.9, add_dependencies has changed in meaning; although the 
documentation still says "to ensure that they build before  does", in 
practice this now only means "to ensure that they build before  
*links*"; these edges do not apply to object compilation or add_
 custom_command rules.

add_custom_command is no problem; it already had a DEPENDS argument that allows 
target-level dependencies, and arguably such dependencies needed to be stated 
there anyway since an add_custom_command output can get reused by multiple 
targets in the same subdir. But object compilation is a problem because there's 
nowhere to add them per-source, and add_dependencies doesn't work anymore to 
add them per-target.

> When adding
> this custom command, you may use the `BYPRODUCTS` argument
> (introduced in 3.2.0) to let CMake know what's going on here. It only affects
> Ninja, but the other generators do target-level dependencies anyways. That
> output can then be depended on via `OBJECT_DEPENDS` and the
> dependency should link up properly.

There is not an explicit file output, though I could do the usual workaround of 
a stamp/witness file listed in BYPRODUCTS to the add_custom_command(TARGET ... 
POST_BUILD ...). But I don't think that will work with most generators, since 
CMake doesn't generally allow file-level depends to set

Re: [CMake] CMake 3.9 change to dependencies of object compilation

[Robert Maynard]

You can find the location for object files by using
$. This can be used as the DEPENDS of a custom
command. I would not try using OBJECT_OUTPUTS as IIRC that is only
used by the makefile generator.

On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 1:55 PM, Ben Boeckel  wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 04, 2017 at 17:35:53 +, Puetz Kevin A wrote:
>> Thanks for the reply, questions/clarifications below.
>> > requests that that be fixed as well (though that is backwards compatible
>> > since the solution will likely involve ).
>>
>> Sentence cut off? I assume you meant "will likely involve a new keyword"?
>
> Yep, sorry.
>
>> > > 2. MSVC's #import construct which needs the indirect dependencies
>> > > (dependencies of the #import-ed dependency) be registered, which is
>> > > handled as part of the target using add_custom_command(TARGET foo
>> > > POST_BUILD COMMAND ...)
>> >
>> > So there's an issue here that there's a dependency between your build rules
>> > which CMake doesn't know about (though I don't know #import well
>> > enough, the docs don't state where the information *goes*).
>>
>> #import will load a COM typelib during preprocessing, possibly
>> following registry keys to locate other typelibs which the specified
>> one refers to. It will have the byproduct of creating .tlh/.tli files
>> next to the other compiler outputs (e.g. .o file) Arguably the
>> .tlh/.tli files should be listed in OBJECT_OUTPUTS, but I can't
>> because I don't know their location; CMake doesn't have a
>> variable/property/generator expression that reveals where it's going
>> to place the object files (i.e. /Fo$out), so I don't know where they
>> will end up. Luckily the .tlh/.tli files aren't important to list for
>> dependency resolution anyway, because the #import also automatically
>> #includes the just-generated headers, (though this is not mentioned in
>> /showIncludes). So CMake is at least *consistently* unaware of these
>> files, and they get regenerated any time they would have been read so
>> it doesn't really need to know.
>
> OK, a genex for where object outputs may be useful anyways. I think
> there's something along those lines with Cuda's PTX file generation?
>
>> The important missing dependency is the one between
>> creating/regstering the typelib (we'll call this target COMServer) and
>> the #import that will read it in a source file in another target
>> (we'll call it COMClient).  I have a call add_custom_command(TARGET
>> COMServer POST_BUILD COMMAND regsvr32 $),
>> which will create the registry keys under HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT. This
>> needs to happen before the source file in COMClient can preprocess the
>> #import successfully. Prior to CMake 3.9, I could inform CMake of this
>> by just using add_dependencies(COMClient COMServer) to tell CMake that
>> it couldn't build (any of) Client until Server had been built (and
>> thus its POST_BUILD had also run to register it). But in 3.9,
>> add_dependencies has changed in meaning; although the documentation
>> still says "to ensure that they build before  does", in
>> practice this now only means "to ensure that they build before
>>  *links*"; these edges do not apply to object compilation or
>> add_custom_command rules.
>>
>> add_custom_command is no problem; it already had a DEPENDS argument
>> that allows target-level dependencies, and arguably such dependencies
>> needed to be stated there anyway since an add_custom_command output
>> can get reused by multiple targets in the same subdir. But object
>> compilation is a problem because there's nowhere to add them
>> per-source, and add_dependencies doesn't work anymore to add them
>> per-target.
>
> It sounds like the logic may need fixing then. Do you have an example
> case where add_dependencies doesn't work anymore in Ninja?
>
>> > When adding
>> > this custom command, you may use the `BYPRODUCTS` argument
>> > (introduced in 3.2.0) to let CMake know what's going on here. It only 
>> > affects
>> > Ninja, but the other generators do target-level dependencies anyways. That
>> > output can then be depended on via `OBJECT_DEPENDS` and the
>> > dependency should link up properly.
>>
>> There is not an explicit file output, though I could do the usual
>> workaround of a stamp/witness file listed in BYPRODUCTS to the
>> add_custom_command(TARGET ... POST_BUILD ...). But I don't think that
>> will work with most generators, since CMake doesn't generally allow
>> file-level depends to set the order in which targets are built. I
>> suppose it might work out in practice for ninja since that writes a
>> monolithic set of rules, but conditional code where I have to peek at
>> CMAKE_GENERATOR and use BYPRODUCTS/OBJECT_DEPENDS for ninja and
>> add_dependencies for other generators seems like the sort of thing
>> this list would tell me not to do :-)
>
> Well, other generators are generally target-ordered anyways. Ninja is
> the oddball here (which is why it's the only one to get the feature). I
> don't 

Re: [CMake] CMake 3.9 change to dependencies of object compilation

[Ben Boeckel]

On Fri, Aug 04, 2017 at 17:35:53 +, Puetz Kevin A wrote:
> Thanks for the reply, questions/clarifications below.
> > requests that that be fixed as well (though that is backwards compatible
> > since the solution will likely involve ).
> 
> Sentence cut off? I assume you meant "will likely involve a new keyword"?

Yep, sorry.

> > > 2. MSVC's #import construct which needs the indirect dependencies
> > > (dependencies of the #import-ed dependency) be registered, which is
> > > handled as part of the target using add_custom_command(TARGET foo
> > > POST_BUILD COMMAND ...)
> > 
> > So there's an issue here that there's a dependency between your build rules
> > which CMake doesn't know about (though I don't know #import well
> > enough, the docs don't state where the information *goes*).
> 
> #import will load a COM typelib during preprocessing, possibly
> following registry keys to locate other typelibs which the specified
> one refers to. It will have the byproduct of creating .tlh/.tli files
> next to the other compiler outputs (e.g. .o file) Arguably the
> .tlh/.tli files should be listed in OBJECT_OUTPUTS, but I can't
> because I don't know their location; CMake doesn't have a
> variable/property/generator expression that reveals where it's going
> to place the object files (i.e. /Fo$out), so I don't know where they
> will end up. Luckily the .tlh/.tli files aren't important to list for
> dependency resolution anyway, because the #import also automatically
> #includes the just-generated headers, (though this is not mentioned in
> /showIncludes). So CMake is at least *consistently* unaware of these
> files, and they get regenerated any time they would have been read so
> it doesn't really need to know.

OK, a genex for where object outputs may be useful anyways. I think
there's something along those lines with Cuda's PTX file generation?

> The important missing dependency is the one between
> creating/regstering the typelib (we'll call this target COMServer) and
> the #import that will read it in a source file in another target
> (we'll call it COMClient).  I have a call add_custom_command(TARGET
> COMServer POST_BUILD COMMAND regsvr32 $),
> which will create the registry keys under HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT. This
> needs to happen before the source file in COMClient can preprocess the
> #import successfully. Prior to CMake 3.9, I could inform CMake of this
> by just using add_dependencies(COMClient COMServer) to tell CMake that
> it couldn't build (any of) Client until Server had been built (and
> thus its POST_BUILD had also run to register it). But in 3.9,
> add_dependencies has changed in meaning; although the documentation
> still says "to ensure that they build before  does", in
> practice this now only means "to ensure that they build before
>  *links*"; these edges do not apply to object compilation or
> add_custom_command rules.
> 
> add_custom_command is no problem; it already had a DEPENDS argument
> that allows target-level dependencies, and arguably such dependencies
> needed to be stated there anyway since an add_custom_command output
> can get reused by multiple targets in the same subdir. But object
> compilation is a problem because there's nowhere to add them
> per-source, and add_dependencies doesn't work anymore to add them
> per-target.

It sounds like the logic may need fixing then. Do you have an example
case where add_dependencies doesn't work anymore in Ninja?

> > When adding
> > this custom command, you may use the `BYPRODUCTS` argument
> > (introduced in 3.2.0) to let CMake know what's going on here. It only 
> > affects
> > Ninja, but the other generators do target-level dependencies anyways. That
> > output can then be depended on via `OBJECT_DEPENDS` and the
> > dependency should link up properly.
> 
> There is not an explicit file output, though I could do the usual
> workaround of a stamp/witness file listed in BYPRODUCTS to the
> add_custom_command(TARGET ... POST_BUILD ...). But I don't think that
> will work with most generators, since CMake doesn't generally allow
> file-level depends to set the order in which targets are built. I
> suppose it might work out in practice for ninja since that writes a
> monolithic set of rules, but conditional code where I have to peek at
> CMAKE_GENERATOR and use BYPRODUCTS/OBJECT_DEPENDS for ninja and
> add_dependencies for other generators seems like the sort of thing
> this list would tell me not to do :-)

Well, other generators are generally target-ordered anyways. Ninja is
the oddball here (which is why it's the only one to get the feature). I
don't know the effect it'd have in other generators, but I feel like I'd
be surprised if it *broke* them since excess dependencies (usually) only
result in either slower builds or circular dependency loops and Ninja
complains loudly about the latter. And since BYPRODUCTS only affects
Ninja, if BYPRODUCTS is used, other generators shouldn't care anyways.

> And even for ninja I think I'd have to 

Re: [CMake] CMake 3.9 change to dependencies of object compilation

[Ben Boeckel]

> . The Ninja generator has loosened the dependencies of object
> compilation. Object compilation now depends only on custom targets and
> custom commands associated with libraries on which the object's target
> depends and no longer depends on the libraries themselves. Source
> files in dependent targets may now compile without waiting for their
> targets' dependencies to link.

Correct.

> We have a few cases where the object compilation really does depend on
> the TARGET_FILE itself, e.g.
> 1. An RC compiler embedding the resulting file of a custom target (I
> think this one may still work, since custom targets appear to have
> been exempted from the change)

Correct, though this issue:

https://gitlab.kitware.com/cmake/cmake/issues/17097

requests that that be fixed as well (though that is backwards
compatible since the solution will likely involve ).

> 2. MSVC's #import construct which needs the indirect dependencies
> (dependencies of the #import-ed dependency) be registered, which is
> handled as part of the target using add_custom_command(TARGET foo
> POST_BUILD COMMAND ...)

So there's an issue here that there's a dependency between your build
rules which CMake doesn't know about (though I don't know #import well
enough, the docs don't state where the information *goes*). When adding
this custom command, you may use the `BYPRODUCTS` argument (introduced
in 3.2.0) to let CMake know what's going on here. It only affects Ninja,
but the other generators do target-level dependencies anyways. That
output can then be depended on via `OBJECT_DEPENDS` and the dependency
should link up properly.

If it instead gets registered somewhere in the aether (as far as CMake
is concerned), adding support for generator expressions to
`OBJECT_DEPENDS` so that `$` may be used there would be
the next solution.

Making `POST_BUILD` write out a stamp file would also work and then
using `OBJECT_DEPENDS` on that would also work.

--Ben
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