Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours
I contacted the group behind the Indiegogo campaign on Twitter: https://twitter.com/davesgonechina/status/596148115465371649 1. 1. *Caravan Studios* @*caravanstudios* https://twitter.com/caravanstudios May 2 https://twitter.com/caravanstudios/status/594226589631533056 Help us raise $10K to put #*libraries* https://twitter.com/hashtag/libraries?src=hash locations hours in #*Rangeapp* https://twitter.com/hashtag/Rangeapp?src=hash help youth find free #*summermeals* https://twitter.com/hashtag/summermeals?src=hash #*safeplaces* https://twitter.com/hashtag/safeplaces?src=hash http:// bit.ly/rangecampaign http://t.co/Pq9Nmi8nQT https://twitter.com/caravanstudios/status/594226589631533056 11 retweets 8 favorites 1. *davesgonechina* @*davesgonechina* https://twitter.com/davesgonechina @*caravanstudios* https://twitter.com/caravanstudios also, library hours change often, budgets get cut. Is $10K enuff 2 run regular scrapes for years, or is this a one-off? 0 retweets 0 favorites 11:02 AM - 7 May 2015 Tweet text Reply to @caravanstudios https://twitter.com/caravanstudios 1.*Caravan Studios* @*caravanstudios* https://twitter.com/caravanstudios 7h7 hours ago https://twitter.com/caravanstudios/status/596400357242077184 .@*davesgonechina* https://twitter.com/davesgonechina this is a one time push for this summer. We'll open up the system so librarians can update their own data next year. https://twitter.com/caravanstudios/status/596400357242077184 1 retweet 0 favorites 2. 3. *davesgonechina* @*davesgonechina* https://twitter.com/davesgonechina 3h3 hours ago https://twitter.com/davesgonechina/status/596461555710955520 @*caravanstudios* https://twitter.com/caravanstudios that presumes librarians have the bandwidth/inclination to update ur $10K DB. Just sayin. https://twitter.com/davesgonechina/status/596461555710955520 0 retweets 1 favorite On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 1:33 AM, Dan Scott deni...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 8:15 AM, Ethan Gruber ewg4x...@gmail.com wrote: +1 on the RDFa and schema.org. For those that don't know the library URL off-hand, it is much easier to find a library website by Googling than it is to go through the central university portal, and the hours will show up at the top of the page after having been harvested by search engines. Hi, so this is an area that I've done, and am doing, a fair bit of work. See http://stuff.coffeecode.net/2015/ola_white_hat_seo/#/1/10 for some fun slides from a presentation I gave in January at the Ontario Library Association SuperConference that show some ways data gets into Google/Yahoo/Bing and concludes that the OCLC Registry manually maintain yet another copy of your data elsewhere approach isn't working. (Hit s to get speaker notes). The rest of the presentation goes into depth on how to use RDFa to mark up a real library web page with location, contact info, opening hours, and event info. And I've posited that crawling library sites to pull single-sourced data (e.g. you update your website to provide updated hours to humans, and the machines automatically benefit) would be a much more effective, accurate, and usable approach than maintaining copies of the data in Google+, OCLC Registry, etc. We could produce results like http://cwrc.ca/rsc-src/ that stay accurate, rather than being one-off efforts that decay over time. (It would be great if the OCLC Registry had a crawl this URL option so that it could keep all of its data up-to-date and incentive libraries to publish the data in a machine-readable format such as RDFa + schema.org.) On the but that's technically challenging front, I tried pursuing some grant funding to produce templates for publishing that structured info in Drupal, Joomla, and other commonly used CMSs. Sadly, my application was recently denied, but that will only slow me down; I'm not going to give up on the goal. I have a paper in the works that will expand on the content of the presentation for those sites that have the ability (technical and administrative) to modify their own web pages. Sites running the Evergreen library system already generate a page for each of their libraries that contains this structured data (e.g. https://laurentian.concat.ca/eg/opac/library/OSUL), which is single sourced from the data that has to be maintained in the library system anyway. I'll happily acknowledge that getting search engines to harvest the right data is not easy, though: right now, for example, if you search for J.N. Desmarais Library it currently shows that the library is open 24 hours a day, which is completely false--probably maliciously submitted--information. *sigh* I've edited that info in the Google+ page
Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours
404-235-7138 tmcca...@georgialibraries.org - Original Message - From: Peter Murray jes...@dltj.org To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 4:36:56 PM Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours OCLC has an institutional registry [1], which had (in part) library hours, addresses, and so forth. It seems to be unavailable, though [2]. That is the only systematic collection of library hours data that I know about. Peter [1] https://www.oclc.org/worldcat-registry.en.html [2] https://www.worldcat.org/registry/institution/ On May 5, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Bigwood, David dbigw...@hou.usra.edu wrote: This looks like a decent group, but I find this statement hard to believe. Your tax-deductible donation supports adding the names, address and the hours of operation of all libraries to Range. The Institute of Museum and Library Services publishes an open data catalog which is the source we'll use for the names and the addresses of the nation's libraries. However, there isn't a listing of the days and hours of operation for all libraries in the US. We are going to track down the hours of operation for all 17,000 libraries and make that information available -- in Range and for other developers who may want to use it. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/range-food-and-safe-places-for-youth Are the hours of public libraries really not available? Sincerely, David Bigwood dbigw...@gmail.commailto:dbigw...@gmail.com Lunar and Planetary Institute @LPI_Library https://www.flickr.com/photos/lunarandplanetaryinstitute/ -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net m: +1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600
Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours
+1 on the RDFa and schema.org. For those that don't know the library URL off-hand, it is much easier to find a library website by Googling than it is to go through the central university portal, and the hours will show up at the top of the page after having been harvested by search engines. On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 6:54 PM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote: Note that library hours is one of the possible bits of information that could be encoded as RDFa in the library web site, thus making it possible to derive library hours directly from the listing of hours on the web site rather than keeping a separate list. Schema.org does have the elements such that hours can be encoded. This would mean that hours could show in the display of the library's catalog entry on Google, Yahoo and Bing. Being available directly through the search engines might be sufficient, not necessitating creating yet-another-database for that data. Schema.org uses a restaurant as its opening hours example, but much of the data would be the same for a library: div vocab=http://schema.org/; typeof=Restaurant span property=nameGreatFood/span div property=aggregateRating typeof=AggregateRating span property=ratingValue4/span stars - based on span property=reviewCount250/span reviews /div div property=address typeof=PostalAddress span property=streetAddress1901 Lemur Ave/span span property=addressLocalitySunnyvale/span, span property=addressRegionCA/span span property=postalCode94086/span /div span property=telephone(408) 714-1489/span a property=url href=http://www.dishdash.com;www.greatfood.com/a Hours: meta property=openingHours content=Mo-Sa 11:00-14:30Mon-Sat 11am - 2:30pm meta property=openingHours content=Mo-Th 17:00-21:30Mon-Thu 5pm - 9:30pm meta property=openingHours content=Fr-Sa 17:00-22:00Fri-Sat 5pm - 10:00pm Categories: span property=servesCuisine Middle Eastern /span, span property=servesCuisine Mediterranean /span Price Range: span property=priceRange$$/span Takes Reservations: Yes /div It seems to me that using schema.org would get more bang for the buck -- it would get into the search engines and could also be aggregated into whatever database is needed. As we've seen with OCLC, having a separate listing is likely to mean that the data will be out of date. kc On 5/5/15 2:19 PM, nitin arora wrote: I can't see they distinguished between public libraries and other types on their campaign page. They say all libraries as far as I can see. So I suppose then that this is true for all libraries: Libraries offer a space anyone can enter, where money isn't exchanged, and documentation doesn't have to be shown. Who knew fines and library/student-IDs were a thing of the past? The only data sets I can find where they got the 17,000 number is for public libraries: http://www.imls.gov/research/pls_data_files.aspx Maybe I missed something. There is an hours field on one of the CSVs I downloaded, etc for 2012 data (the most recent I could find). Asking 10k for something targeted for completion in June and without a grasp on what types of libraries there are and how volatile the hours information is (especially in crisis) ... Sounds naive at best, sketchy at worst. The flexible funding button says this campaign will receive all funds raised even if it does not reach its goals. The value of these places for youth cannot be underestimated. So is the value of a quick buck ... On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 4:53 PM, McCanna, Terran tmcca...@georgialibraries.org wrote: I'm not at all surprised that this doesn't already exist, and even if OCLC's was available, I'd be willing to bet it was out of date. Public library hours, especially in underfunded areas, may fluctuate depending on funding cycles, seasons (whether school is in or out), etc., not to mention closing/reopening/moving because of old buildings that need to be updated. We have around 280 locations in our consortium and we have to rely on self-reporting to find out if their hours change. We certainly don't have staff time to check every one of their web sites on regular basis, I can't imagine keeping track of 17,000! Terran McCanna PINES Program Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 Atlanta, GA 30345 404-235-7138 tmcca...@georgialibraries.org - Original Message - From: Peter Murray jes...@dltj.org To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 4:36:56 PM Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours OCLC has an institutional registry [1], which had (in part) library hours, addresses, and so forth. It seems to be unavailable, though [2]. That is the only systematic collection of library hours data that I know about. Peter [1] https://www.oclc.org/worldcat-registry.en.html [2] https://www.worldcat.org/registry/institution/ On May 5, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Bigwood
Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours
information is (especially in crisis) ... Sounds naive at best, sketchy at worst. The flexible funding button says this campaign will receive all funds raised even if it does not reach its goals. The value of these places for youth cannot be underestimated. So is the value of a quick buck ... On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 4:53 PM, McCanna, Terran tmcca...@georgialibraries.org wrote: I'm not at all surprised that this doesn't already exist, and even if OCLC's was available, I'd be willing to bet it was out of date. Public library hours, especially in underfunded areas, may fluctuate depending on funding cycles, seasons (whether school is in or out), etc., not to mention closing/reopening/moving because of old buildings that need to be updated. We have around 280 locations in our consortium and we have to rely on self-reporting to find out if their hours change. We certainly don't have staff time to check every one of their web sites on regular basis, I can't imagine keeping track of 17,000! Terran McCanna PINES Program Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 Atlanta, GA 30345 404-235-7138 tmcca...@georgialibraries.org - Original Message - From: Peter Murray jes...@dltj.org To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 4:36:56 PM Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours OCLC has an institutional registry [1], which had (in part) library hours, addresses, and so forth. It seems to be unavailable, though [2]. That is the only systematic collection of library hours data that I know about. Peter [1] https://www.oclc.org/worldcat-registry.en.html [2] https://www.worldcat.org/registry/institution/ On May 5, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Bigwood, David dbigw...@hou.usra.edu wrote: This looks like a decent group, but I find this statement hard to believe. Your tax-deductible donation supports adding the names, address and the hours of operation of all libraries to Range. The Institute of Museum and Library Services publishes an open data catalog which is the source we'll use for the names and the addresses of the nation's libraries. However, there isn't a listing of the days and hours of operation for all libraries in the US. We are going to track down the hours of operation for all 17,000 libraries and make that information available -- in Range and for other developers who may want to use it. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/range-food-and-safe-places-for-youth Are the hours of public libraries really not available? Sincerely, David Bigwood dbigw...@gmail.commailto:dbigw...@gmail.com Lunar and Planetary Institute @LPI_Library https://www.flickr.com/photos/lunarandplanetaryinstitute/ -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net m: +1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600 -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net m: +1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600
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Hi Open today · 9:00 am – 8:00 pm javascript:void(0) but I have no idea where that comes from. probably because the web page http://sfpl.org/index.php?pg=010101 insert library hours inside div id=library-hours /div Bye Zeno Tajoli -- Dr. Zeno Tajoli Servizi Innovativi -- Automazione Biblioteche z.taj...@cineca.it fax +39 02 2135520 CINECA - Sede operativa di Segrate
Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours
it was out of date. Public library hours, especially in underfunded areas, may fluctuate depending on funding cycles, seasons (whether school is in or out), etc., not to mention closing/reopening/moving because of old buildings that need to be updated. We have around 280 locations in our consortium and we have to rely on self-reporting to find out if their hours change. We certainly don't have staff time to check every one of their web sites on regular basis, I can't imagine keeping track of 17,000! Terran McCanna PINES Program Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 Atlanta, GA 30345 404-235-7138 tmcca...@georgialibraries.org - Original Message - From: Peter Murray jes...@dltj.org To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 4:36:56 PM Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours OCLC has an institutional registry [1], which had (in part) library hours, addresses, and so forth. It seems to be unavailable, though [2]. That is the only systematic collection of library hours data that I know about. Peter [1] https://www.oclc.org/worldcat-registry.en.html [2] https://www.worldcat.org/registry/institution/ On May 5, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Bigwood, David dbigw...@hou.usra.edu wrote: This looks like a decent group, but I find this statement hard to believe. Your tax-deductible donation supports adding the names, address and the hours of operation of all libraries to Range. The Institute of Museum and Library Services publishes an open data catalog which is the source we'll use for the names and the addresses of the nation's libraries. However, there isn't a listing of the days and hours of operation for all libraries in the US. We are going to track down the hours of operation for all 17,000 libraries and make that information available -- in Range and for other developers who may want to use it. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/range-food-and-safe-places-for-youth Are the hours of public libraries really not available? Sincerely, David Bigwood dbigw...@gmail.commailto:dbigw...@gmail.com Lunar and Planetary Institute @LPI_Library https://www.flickr.com/photos/lunarandplanetaryinstitute/ -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net m: +1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600 -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net m: +1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600
Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours
was available, I'd be willing to bet it was out of date. Public library hours, especially in underfunded areas, may fluctuate depending on funding cycles, seasons (whether school is in or out), etc., not to mention closing/reopening/moving because of old buildings that need to be updated. We have around 280 locations in our consortium and we have to rely on self-reporting to find out if their hours change. We certainly don't have staff time to check every one of their web sites on regular basis, I can't imagine keeping track of 17,000! Terran McCanna PINES Program Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 Atlanta, GA 30345 404-235-7138 tmcca...@georgialibraries.org - Original Message - From: Peter Murray jes...@dltj.org To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 4:36:56 PM Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours OCLC has an institutional registry [1], which had (in part) library hours, addresses, and so forth. It seems to be unavailable, though [2]. That is the only systematic collection of library hours data that I know about. Peter [1] https://www.oclc.org/worldcat-registry.en.html [2] https://www.worldcat.org/registry/institution/ On May 5, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Bigwood, David dbigw...@hou.usra.edu wrote: This looks like a decent group, but I find this statement hard to believe. Your tax-deductible donation supports adding the names, address and the hours of operation of all libraries to Range. The Institute of Museum and Library Services publishes an open data catalog which is the source we'll use for the names and the addresses of the nation's libraries. However, there isn't a listing of the days and hours of operation for all libraries in the US. We are going to track down the hours of operation for all 17,000 libraries and make that information available -- in Range and for other developers who may want to use it. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/range-food-and-safe-places-for-youth Are the hours of public libraries really not available? Sincerely, David Bigwood dbigw...@gmail.commailto:dbigw...@gmail.com Lunar and Planetary Institute @LPI_Library https://www.flickr.com/photos/lunarandplanetaryinstitute/ -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net m: +1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600 -- Nitin Arora nitaro74 (at) gmail (dot) com Hope always, expect never. humaneguitarist.org blog.humaneguitarist.org
Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours
that using schema.org would get more bang for the buck -- it would get into the search engines and could also be aggregated into whatever database is needed. As we've seen with OCLC, having a separate listing is likely to mean that the data will be out of date. kc On 5/5/15 2:19 PM, nitin arora wrote: I can't see they distinguished between public libraries and other types on their campaign page. They say all libraries as far as I can see. So I suppose then that this is true for all libraries: Libraries offer a space anyone can enter, where money isn't exchanged, and documentation doesn't have to be shown. Who knew fines and library/student-IDs were a thing of the past? The only data sets I can find where they got the 17,000 number is for public libraries: http://www.imls.gov/research/pls_data_files.aspx Maybe I missed something. There is an hours field on one of the CSVs I downloaded, etc for 2012 data (the most recent I could find). Asking 10k for something targeted for completion in June and without a grasp on what types of libraries there are and how volatile the hours information is (especially in crisis) ... Sounds naive at best, sketchy at worst. The flexible funding button says this campaign will receive all funds raised even if it does not reach its goals. The value of these places for youth cannot be underestimated. So is the value of a quick buck ... On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 4:53 PM, McCanna, Terran tmcca...@georgialibraries.org wrote: I'm not at all surprised that this doesn't already exist, and even if OCLC's was available, I'd be willing to bet it was out of date. Public library hours, especially in underfunded areas, may fluctuate depending on funding cycles, seasons (whether school is in or out), etc., not to mention closing/reopening/moving because of old buildings that need to be updated. We have around 280 locations in our consortium and we have to rely on self-reporting to find out if their hours change. We certainly don't have staff time to check every one of their web sites on regular basis, I can't imagine keeping track of 17,000! Terran McCanna PINES Program Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 Atlanta, GA 30345 404-235-7138 tmcca...@georgialibraries.org - Original Message - From: Peter Murray jes...@dltj.org To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 4:36:56 PM Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours OCLC has an institutional registry [1], which had (in part) library hours, addresses, and so forth. It seems to be unavailable, though [2]. That is the only systematic collection of library hours data that I know about. Peter [1] https://www.oclc.org/worldcat-registry.en.html [2] https://www.worldcat.org/registry/institution/ On May 5, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Bigwood, David dbigw...@hou.usra.edu wrote: This looks like a decent group, but I find this statement hard to believe. Your tax-deductible donation supports adding the names, address and the hours of operation of all libraries to Range. The Institute of Museum and Library Services publishes an open data catalog which is the source we'll use for the names and the addresses of the nation's libraries. However, there isn't a listing of the days and hours of operation for all libraries in the US. We are going to track down the hours of operation for all 17,000 libraries and make that information available -- in Range and for other developers who may want to use it. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/range-food-and-safe-places-for-youth Are the hours of public libraries really not available? Sincerely, David Bigwood dbigw...@gmail.commailto:dbigw...@gmail.com Lunar and Planetary Institute @LPI_Library https://www.flickr.com/photos/lunarandplanetaryinstitute/ -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net m: +1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600 -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net m: +1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600
Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours
Right, but I don't think that meets any particular standard, which means that Google is doing a lot of text analysis when it indexes pages, looking for a pattern that looks like opening hours. That takes more cycles than having it all neatly wrapped in some known RDFa. kc On 5/6/15 6:54 AM, Tajoli Zeno wrote: Hi Open today · 9:00 am – 8:00 pm javascript:void(0) but I have no idea where that comes from. probably because the web page http://sfpl.org/index.php?pg=010101 insert library hours inside div id=library-hours /div Bye Zeno Tajoli -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net m: +1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600
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doesn't have to be shown. Who knew fines and library/student-IDs were a thing of the past? The only data sets I can find where they got the 17,000 number is for public libraries: http://www.imls.gov/research/pls_data_files.aspx Maybe I missed something. There is an hours field on one of the CSVs I downloaded, etc for 2012 data (the most recent I could find). Asking 10k for something targeted for completion in June and without a grasp on what types of libraries there are and how volatile the hours information is (especially in crisis) ... Sounds naive at best, sketchy at worst. The flexible funding button says this campaign will receive all funds raised even if it does not reach its goals. The value of these places for youth cannot be underestimated. So is the value of a quick buck ... On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 4:53 PM, McCanna, Terran tmcca...@georgialibraries.org wrote: I'm not at all surprised that this doesn't already exist, and even if OCLC's was available, I'd be willing to bet it was out of date. Public library hours, especially in underfunded areas, may fluctuate depending on funding cycles, seasons (whether school is in or out), etc., not to mention closing/reopening/moving because of old buildings that need to be updated. We have around 280 locations in our consortium and we have to rely on self-reporting to find out if their hours change. We certainly don't have staff time to check every one of their web sites on regular basis, I can't imagine keeping track of 17,000! Terran McCanna PINES Program Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 Atlanta, GA 30345 404-235-7138 tmcca...@georgialibraries.org - Original Message - From: Peter Murray jes...@dltj.org To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 4:36:56 PM Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours OCLC has an institutional registry [1], which had (in part) library hours, addresses, and so forth. It seems to be unavailable, though [2]. That is the only systematic collection of library hours data that I know about. Peter [1] https://www.oclc.org/worldcat-registry.en.html [2] https://www.worldcat.org/registry/institution/ On May 5, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Bigwood, David dbigw...@hou.usra.edu wrote: This looks like a decent group, but I find this statement hard to believe. Your tax-deductible donation supports adding the names, address and the hours of operation of all libraries to Range. The Institute of Museum and Library Services publishes an open data catalog which is the source we'll use for the names and the addresses of the nation's libraries. However, there isn't a listing of the days and hours of operation for all libraries in the US. We are going to track down the hours of operation for all 17,000 libraries and make that information available -- in Range and for other developers who may want to use it. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/range-food-and-safe-places-for-youth Are the hours of public libraries really not available? Sincerely, David Bigwood dbigw...@gmail.commailto:dbigw...@gmail.com Lunar and Planetary Institute @LPI_Library https://www.flickr.com/photos/lunarandplanetaryinstitute/ -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net m: +1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600 -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net m: +1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600 -- Richard Wallis Founder, Data Liberate http://dataliberate.com Tel: +44 (0)7767 886 005 Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/richardwallis Skype: richard.wallis1 Twitter: @rjw
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entry on Google, Yahoo and Bing. Being available directly through the search engines might be sufficient, not necessitating creating yet-another-database for that data. Schema.org uses a restaurant as its opening hours example, but much of the data would be the same for a library: div vocab=http://schema.org/; typeof=Restaurant span property=nameGreatFood/span div property=aggregateRating typeof=AggregateRating span property=ratingValue4/span stars - based on span property=reviewCount250/span reviews /div div property=address typeof=PostalAddress span property=streetAddress1901 Lemur Ave/span span property=addressLocalitySunnyvale/span, span property=addressRegionCA/span span property=postalCode94086/span /div span property=telephone(408) 714-1489/span a property=url href=http://www.dishdash.com; www.greatfood.com /a Hours: meta property=openingHours content=Mo-Sa 11:00-14:30Mon-Sat 11am - 2:30pm meta property=openingHours content=Mo-Th 17:00-21:30Mon-Thu 5pm - 9:30pm meta property=openingHours content=Fr-Sa 17:00-22:00Fri-Sat 5pm - 10:00pm Categories: span property=servesCuisine Middle Eastern /span, span property=servesCuisine Mediterranean /span Price Range: span property=priceRange$$/span Takes Reservations: Yes /div It seems to me that using schema.org would get more bang for the buck -- it would get into the search engines and could also be aggregated into whatever database is needed. As we've seen with OCLC, having a separate listing is likely to mean that the data will be out of date. kc On 5/5/15 2:19 PM, nitin arora wrote: I can't see they distinguished between public libraries and other types on their campaign page. They say all libraries as far as I can see. So I suppose then that this is true for all libraries: Libraries offer a space anyone can enter, where money isn't exchanged, and documentation doesn't have to be shown. Who knew fines and library/student-IDs were a thing of the past? The only data sets I can find where they got the 17,000 number is for public libraries: http://www.imls.gov/research/pls_data_files.aspx Maybe I missed something. There is an hours field on one of the CSVs I downloaded, etc for 2012 data (the most recent I could find). Asking 10k for something targeted for completion in June and without a grasp on what types of libraries there are and how volatile the hours information is (especially in crisis) ... Sounds naive at best, sketchy at worst. The flexible funding button says this campaign will receive all funds raised even if it does not reach its goals. The value of these places for youth cannot be underestimated. So is the value of a quick buck ... On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 4:53 PM, McCanna, Terran tmcca...@georgialibraries.org wrote: I'm not at all surprised that this doesn't already exist, and even if OCLC's was available, I'd be willing to bet it was out of date. Public library hours, especially in underfunded areas, may fluctuate depending on funding cycles, seasons (whether school is in or out), etc., not to mention closing/reopening/moving because of old buildings that need to be updated. We have around 280 locations in our consortium and we have to rely on self-reporting to find out if their hours change. We certainly don't have staff time to check every one of their web sites on regular basis, I can't imagine keeping track of 17,000! Terran McCanna PINES Program Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 Atlanta, GA 30345 404-235-7138 tmcca...@georgialibraries.org - Original Message - From: Peter Murray jes...@dltj.org To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 4:36:56 PM Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours OCLC has an institutional registry [1], which had (in part) library hours, addresses, and so forth. It seems to be unavailable, though [2]. That is the only systematic collection of library hours data that I know about. Peter [1] https://www.oclc.org/worldcat-registry.en.html [2] https://www.worldcat.org/registry/institution/ On May 5, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Bigwood, David dbigw...@hou.usra.edu wrote: This looks like a decent group, but I find this statement hard to believe. Your tax-deductible donation supports adding the names, address and the hours of operation of all libraries to Range. The Institute of Museum and Library Services publishes an open data catalog which is the source we'll use for the names and the addresses of the nation's libraries. However, there isn't a listing of the days and hours of operation for all libraries in the US. We are going to track down the hours of operation for all 17,000 libraries and make that information available -- in Range and for other developers who
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for completion in June and without a grasp on what types of libraries there are and how volatile the hours information is (especially in crisis) ... Sounds naive at best, sketchy at worst. The flexible funding button says this campaign will receive all funds raised even if it does not reach its goals. The value of these places for youth cannot be underestimated. So is the value of a quick buck ... On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 4:53 PM, McCanna, Terran tmcca...@georgialibraries.org wrote: I'm not at all surprised that this doesn't already exist, and even if OCLC's was available, I'd be willing to bet it was out of date. Public library hours, especially in underfunded areas, may fluctuate depending on funding cycles, seasons (whether school is in or out), etc., not to mention closing/reopening/moving because of old buildings that need to be updated. We have around 280 locations in our consortium and we have to rely on self-reporting to find out if their hours change. We certainly don't have staff time to check every one of their web sites on regular basis, I can't imagine keeping track of 17,000! Terran McCanna PINES Program Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 Atlanta, GA 30345 404-235-7138 tmcca...@georgialibraries.org - Original Message - From: Peter Murray jes...@dltj.org To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 4:36:56 PM Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours OCLC has an institutional registry [1], which had (in part) library hours, addresses, and so forth. It seems to be unavailable, though [2]. That is the only systematic collection of library hours data that I know about. Peter [1] https://www.oclc.org/worldcat-registry.en.html [2] https://www.worldcat.org/registry/institution/ On May 5, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Bigwood, David dbigw...@hou.usra.edu wrote: This looks like a decent group, but I find this statement hard to believe. Your tax-deductible donation supports adding the names, address and the hours of operation of all libraries to Range. The Institute of Museum and Library Services publishes an open data catalog which is the source we'll use for the names and the addresses of the nation's libraries. However, there isn't a listing of the days and hours of operation for all libraries in the US. We are going to track down the hours of operation for all 17,000 libraries and make that information available -- in Range and for other developers who may want to use it. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/range-food-and-safe-places-for-youth Are the hours of public libraries really not available? Sincerely, David Bigwood dbigw...@gmail.commailto:dbigw...@gmail.com Lunar and Planetary Institute @LPI_Library https://www.flickr.com/photos/lunarandplanetaryinstitute/ -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net m: +1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600 -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net m: +1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600
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href=http://www.dishdash.com;www.greatfood.com /a Hours: meta property=openingHours content=Mo-Sa 11:00-14:30Mon-Sat 11am - 2:30pm meta property=openingHours content=Mo-Th 17:00-21:30Mon-Thu 5pm - 9:30pm meta property=openingHours content=Fr-Sa 17:00-22:00Fri-Sat 5pm - 10:00pm Categories: span property=servesCuisine Middle Eastern /span, span property=servesCuisine Mediterranean /span Price Range: span property=priceRange$$/span Takes Reservations: Yes /div It seems to me that using schema.org would get more bang for the buck -- it would get into the search engines and could also be aggregated into whatever database is needed. As we've seen with OCLC, having a separate listing is likely to mean that the data will be out of date. kc On 5/5/15 2:19 PM, nitin arora wrote: I can't see they distinguished between public libraries and other types on their campaign page. They say all libraries as far as I can see. So I suppose then that this is true for all libraries: Libraries offer a space anyone can enter, where money isn't exchanged, and documentation doesn't have to be shown. Who knew fines and library/student-IDs were a thing of the past? The only data sets I can find where they got the 17,000 number is for public libraries: http://www.imls.gov/research/pls_data_files.aspx Maybe I missed something. There is an hours field on one of the CSVs I downloaded, etc for 2012 data (the most recent I could find). Asking 10k for something targeted for completion in June and without a grasp on what types of libraries there are and how volatile the hours information is (especially in crisis) ... Sounds naive at best, sketchy at worst. The flexible funding button says this campaign will receive all funds raised even if it does not reach its goals. The value of these places for youth cannot be underestimated. So is the value of a quick buck ... On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 4:53 PM, McCanna, Terran tmcca...@georgialibraries.org wrote: I'm not at all surprised that this doesn't already exist, and even if OCLC's was available, I'd be willing to bet it was out of date. Public library hours, especially in underfunded areas, may fluctuate depending on funding cycles, seasons (whether school is in or out), etc., not to mention closing/reopening/moving because of old buildings that need to be updated. We have around 280 locations in our consortium and we have to rely on self-reporting to find out if their hours change. We certainly don't have staff time to check every one of their web sites on regular basis, I can't imagine keeping track of 17,000! Terran McCanna PINES Program Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 Atlanta, GA 30345 404-235-7138 tmcca...@georgialibraries.org - Original Message - From: Peter Murray jes...@dltj.org To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 4:36:56 PM Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours OCLC has an institutional registry [1], which had (in part) library hours, addresses, and so forth. It seems to be unavailable, though [2]. That is the only systematic collection of library hours data that I know about. Peter [1] https://www.oclc.org/worldcat-registry.en.html [2] https://www.worldcat.org/registry/institution/ On May 5, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Bigwood, David dbigw...@hou.usra.edu wrote: This looks like a decent group, but I find this statement hard to believe. Your tax-deductible donation supports adding the names, address and the hours of operation of all libraries to Range. The Institute of Museum and Library Services publishes an open data catalog which is the source we'll use for the names and the addresses of the nation's libraries. However, there isn't a listing of the days and hours of operation for all libraries in the US. We are going to track down the hours of operation for all 17,000 libraries and make that information available -- in Range and for other developers who may want to use it. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/range-food-and-safe-places-for-youth Are the hours of public libraries really not available? Sincerely, David Bigwood dbigw...@gmail.commailto:dbigw...@gmail.com Lunar and Planetary Institute @LPI_Library https://www.flickr.com/photos/lunarandplanetaryinstitute/ -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net m: +1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600 -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net m: +1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600 -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net m: +1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600
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On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 8:15 AM, Ethan Gruber ewg4x...@gmail.com wrote: +1 on the RDFa and schema.org. For those that don't know the library URL off-hand, it is much easier to find a library website by Googling than it is to go through the central university portal, and the hours will show up at the top of the page after having been harvested by search engines. Hi, so this is an area that I've done, and am doing, a fair bit of work. See http://stuff.coffeecode.net/2015/ola_white_hat_seo/#/1/10 for some fun slides from a presentation I gave in January at the Ontario Library Association SuperConference that show some ways data gets into Google/Yahoo/Bing and concludes that the OCLC Registry manually maintain yet another copy of your data elsewhere approach isn't working. (Hit s to get speaker notes). The rest of the presentation goes into depth on how to use RDFa to mark up a real library web page with location, contact info, opening hours, and event info. And I've posited that crawling library sites to pull single-sourced data (e.g. you update your website to provide updated hours to humans, and the machines automatically benefit) would be a much more effective, accurate, and usable approach than maintaining copies of the data in Google+, OCLC Registry, etc. We could produce results like http://cwrc.ca/rsc-src/ that stay accurate, rather than being one-off efforts that decay over time. (It would be great if the OCLC Registry had a crawl this URL option so that it could keep all of its data up-to-date and incentive libraries to publish the data in a machine-readable format such as RDFa + schema.org.) On the but that's technically challenging front, I tried pursuing some grant funding to produce templates for publishing that structured info in Drupal, Joomla, and other commonly used CMSs. Sadly, my application was recently denied, but that will only slow me down; I'm not going to give up on the goal. I have a paper in the works that will expand on the content of the presentation for those sites that have the ability (technical and administrative) to modify their own web pages. Sites running the Evergreen library system already generate a page for each of their libraries that contains this structured data (e.g. https://laurentian.concat.ca/eg/opac/library/OSUL), which is single sourced from the data that has to be maintained in the library system anyway. I'll happily acknowledge that getting search engines to harvest the right data is not easy, though: right now, for example, if you search for J.N. Desmarais Library it currently shows that the library is open 24 hours a day, which is completely false--probably maliciously submitted--information. *sigh* I've edited that info in the Google+ page at https://plus.google.com/+JNDesmaraisLibraryGreaterSudbury but even though it is a verified place and I am a manager of the G+ page, the edits still go through approval by Googlers. There appears to be no good way to tell Google Hey, *this* is the URL you are looking for!. Somewhat amusingly, the entire reason I started working with schema.org dates back to an presentation I attended about Google Places years ago, where I whined about having to maintain yet another copy of data in yet another place, and the response inferred that schema.org might be the solution to that problem. Also, due to the structure of university web property ownership, we currently don't have the ability to modify our actual library home page to include any RDFa, which is a *wee* bit frustrating given my work in the field. Heh. Dan Scott Laurentian University
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Salvete! Google often draws data from OpenStreetMap. If one wanted to, one could simply edit the Library information there and watch it get picked up rather quickly. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dlibrary #justsayin Brooke
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can't imagine keeping track of 17,000! Terran McCanna PINES Program Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 Atlanta, GA 30345 404-235-7138 tmcca...@georgialibraries.org - Original Message - From: Peter Murray jes...@dltj.org To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 4:36:56 PM Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours OCLC has an institutional registry [1], which had (in part) library hours, addresses, and so forth. It seems to be unavailable, though [2]. That is the only systematic collection of library hours data that I know about. Peter [1] https://www.oclc.org/worldcat-registry.en.html [2] https://www.worldcat.org/registry/institution/ On May 5, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Bigwood, David dbigw...@hou.usra.edu wrote: This looks like a decent group, but I find this statement hard to believe. Your tax-deductible donation supports adding the names, address and the hours of operation of all libraries to Range. The Institute of Museum and Library Services publishes an open data catalog which is the source we'll use for the names and the addresses of the nation's libraries. However, there isn't a listing of the days and hours of operation for all libraries in the US. We are going to track down the hours of operation for all 17,000 libraries and make that information available -- in Range and for other developers who may want to use it. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/range-food-and-safe-places-for-youth Are the hours of public libraries really not available? Sincerely, David Bigwood dbigw...@gmail.commailto:dbigw...@gmail.com Lunar and Planetary Institute @LPI_Library https://www.flickr.com/photos/lunarandplanetaryinstitute/ -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net m: +1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600 -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net m: +1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600 -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net m: +1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600
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Yes, it definitely does. Which actually is a problem for Wikipedia because it encourages people/companies to try to get entries into WP for SEO purposes and so that the sidebox will show up. I spend a lot of time on the articles for deletion pages of WP trying to get these promotional pages out of the encyclopedia. A big success is when I see them disappear from search results. (BTW, the various ways that self-published authors of written crap game the system is truly astonishing. A+ for effort, and their skill in PR is way beyond their literary skills.) kc On 5/6/15 8:33 AM, Bigwood, David wrote: I have heard that at least part of the sidebox is constructed using data from Wikipedia, especially the structured info in the infobox there. Dave -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Coyle Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 9:21 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours Tom, Google will not tell you. The entirety of how Google search works is a trade secret. We don't know the algorithm for ranking, and we don't know what information they glean from web pages -- and they are unlikely to tell. It is a constant on the schema.org discussion list that developers want to know what Google/Bing/Yahoo/Yandex will do with specific information in the web pages, and it is a constant that the reps there reply: we cannot tell you that. The only way to find out is to code and observe. kc -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net m: +1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600
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. This would mean that hours could show in the display of the library's catalog entry on Google, Yahoo and Bing. Being available directly through the search engines might be sufficient, not necessitating creating yet-another-database for that data. Schema.org uses a restaurant as its opening hours example, but much of the data would be the same for a library: div vocab=http://schema.org/; typeof=Restaurant span property=nameGreatFood/span div property=aggregateRating typeof=AggregateRating span property=ratingValue4/span stars - based on span property=reviewCount250/span reviews /div div property=address typeof=PostalAddress span property=streetAddress1901 Lemur Ave/span span property=addressLocalitySunnyvale/span, span property=addressRegionCA/span span property=postalCode94086/span /div span property=telephone(408) 714-1489/span a property=url href=http://www.dishdash.com; www.greatfood.com /a Hours: meta property=openingHours content=Mo-Sa 11:00-14:30Mon-Sat 11am - 2:30pm meta property=openingHours content=Mo-Th 17:00-21:30Mon-Thu 5pm - 9:30pm meta property=openingHours content=Fr-Sa 17:00-22:00Fri-Sat 5pm - 10:00pm Categories: span property=servesCuisine Middle Eastern /span, span property=servesCuisine Mediterranean /span Price Range: span property=priceRange$$/span Takes Reservations: Yes /div It seems to me that using schema.org would get more bang for the buck -- it would get into the search engines and could also be aggregated into whatever database is needed. As we've seen with OCLC, having a separate listing is likely to mean that the data will be out of date. kc On 5/5/15 2:19 PM, nitin arora wrote: I can't see they distinguished between public libraries and other types on their campaign page. They say all libraries as far as I can see. So I suppose then that this is true for all libraries: Libraries offer a space anyone can enter, where money isn't exchanged, and documentation doesn't have to be shown. Who knew fines and library/student-IDs were a thing of the past? The only data sets I can find where they got the 17,000 number is for public libraries: http://www.imls.gov/research/pls_data_files.aspx Maybe I missed something. There is an hours field on one of the CSVs I downloaded, etc for 2012 data (the most recent I could find). Asking 10k for something targeted for completion in June and without a grasp on what types of libraries there are and how volatile the hours information is (especially in crisis) ... Sounds naive at best, sketchy at worst. The flexible funding button says this campaign will receive all funds raised even if it does not reach its goals. The value of these places for youth cannot be underestimated. So is the value of a quick buck ... On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 4:53 PM, McCanna, Terran tmcca...@georgialibraries.org wrote: I'm not at all surprised that this doesn't already exist, and even if OCLC's was available, I'd be willing to bet it was out of date. Public library hours, especially in underfunded areas, may fluctuate depending on funding cycles, seasons (whether school is in or out), etc., not to mention closing/reopening/moving because of old buildings that need to be updated. We have around 280 locations in our consortium and we have to rely on self-reporting to find out if their hours change. We certainly don't have staff time to check every one of their web sites on regular basis, I can't imagine keeping track of 17,000! Terran McCanna PINES Program Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 Atlanta, GA 30345 404-235-7138 tmcca...@georgialibraries.org - Original Message - From: Peter Murray jes...@dltj.org To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 4:36:56 PM Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours OCLC has an institutional registry [1], which had (in part) library hours, addresses, and so forth. It seems to be unavailable, though [2]. That is the only systematic collection of library hours data that I know about. Peter [1] https://www.oclc.org/worldcat-registry.en.html [2] https://www.worldcat.org/registry/institution/ On May 5, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Bigwood, David dbigw...@hou.usra.edu wrote: This looks like a decent group, but I find this statement hard to believe. Your tax-deductible donation supports adding the names, address and the hours of operation of all libraries to Range. The Institute of Museum and Library Services publishes an open data catalog which is the source we'll use for the names and the addresses of the nation's libraries. However, there isn't a listing of the days and hours of operation for all libraries in the US. We are going to track down the hours of operation for all 17,000 libraries and make that information available -- in Range and for other developers who may want
Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours
Note that library hours is one of the possible bits of information that could be encoded as RDFa in the library web site, thus making it possible to derive library hours directly from the listing of hours on the web site rather than keeping a separate list. Schema.org does have the elements such that hours can be encoded. This would mean that hours could show in the display of the library's catalog entry on Google, Yahoo and Bing. Being available directly through the search engines might be sufficient, not necessitating creating yet-another-database for that data. Schema.org uses a restaurant as its opening hours example, but much of the data would be the same for a library: div vocab=http://schema.org/; typeof=Restaurant span property=nameGreatFood/span div property=aggregateRating typeof=AggregateRating span property=ratingValue4/span stars - based on span property=reviewCount250/span reviews /div div property=address typeof=PostalAddress span property=streetAddress1901 Lemur Ave/span span property=addressLocalitySunnyvale/span, span property=addressRegionCA/span span property=postalCode94086/span /div span property=telephone(408) 714-1489/span a property=url href=http://www.dishdash.com;www.greatfood.com/a Hours: meta property=openingHours content=Mo-Sa 11:00-14:30Mon-Sat 11am - 2:30pm meta property=openingHours content=Mo-Th 17:00-21:30Mon-Thu 5pm - 9:30pm meta property=openingHours content=Fr-Sa 17:00-22:00Fri-Sat 5pm - 10:00pm Categories: span property=servesCuisine Middle Eastern /span, span property=servesCuisine Mediterranean /span Price Range: span property=priceRange$$/span Takes Reservations: Yes /div It seems to me that using schema.org would get more bang for the buck -- it would get into the search engines and could also be aggregated into whatever database is needed. As we've seen with OCLC, having a separate listing is likely to mean that the data will be out of date. kc On 5/5/15 2:19 PM, nitin arora wrote: I can't see they distinguished between public libraries and other types on their campaign page. They say all libraries as far as I can see. So I suppose then that this is true for all libraries: Libraries offer a space anyone can enter, where money isn't exchanged, and documentation doesn't have to be shown. Who knew fines and library/student-IDs were a thing of the past? The only data sets I can find where they got the 17,000 number is for public libraries: http://www.imls.gov/research/pls_data_files.aspx Maybe I missed something. There is an hours field on one of the CSVs I downloaded, etc for 2012 data (the most recent I could find). Asking 10k for something targeted for completion in June and without a grasp on what types of libraries there are and how volatile the hours information is (especially in crisis) ... Sounds naive at best, sketchy at worst. The flexible funding button says this campaign will receive all funds raised even if it does not reach its goals. The value of these places for youth cannot be underestimated. So is the value of a quick buck ... On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 4:53 PM, McCanna, Terran tmcca...@georgialibraries.org wrote: I'm not at all surprised that this doesn't already exist, and even if OCLC's was available, I'd be willing to bet it was out of date. Public library hours, especially in underfunded areas, may fluctuate depending on funding cycles, seasons (whether school is in or out), etc., not to mention closing/reopening/moving because of old buildings that need to be updated. We have around 280 locations in our consortium and we have to rely on self-reporting to find out if their hours change. We certainly don't have staff time to check every one of their web sites on regular basis, I can't imagine keeping track of 17,000! Terran McCanna PINES Program Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 Atlanta, GA 30345 404-235-7138 tmcca...@georgialibraries.org - Original Message - From: Peter Murray jes...@dltj.org To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 4:36:56 PM Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours OCLC has an institutional registry [1], which had (in part) library hours, addresses, and so forth. It seems to be unavailable, though [2]. That is the only systematic collection of library hours data that I know about. Peter [1] https://www.oclc.org/worldcat-registry.en.html [2] https://www.worldcat.org/registry/institution/ On May 5, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Bigwood, David dbigw...@hou.usra.edu wrote: This looks like a decent group, but I find this statement hard to believe. Your tax-deductible donation supports adding the names, address and the hours of operation of all libraries to Range. The Institute of Museum and Library Services publishes an open data catalog which is the source we'll use for the names and the addresses of the nation's libraries. However, there isn't a listing of the days
[CODE4LIB] Library Hours
This looks like a decent group, but I find this statement hard to believe. Your tax-deductible donation supports adding the names, address and the hours of operation of all libraries to Range. The Institute of Museum and Library Services publishes an open data catalog which is the source we'll use for the names and the addresses of the nation's libraries. However, there isn't a listing of the days and hours of operation for all libraries in the US. We are going to track down the hours of operation for all 17,000 libraries and make that information available -- in Range and for other developers who may want to use it. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/range-food-and-safe-places-for-youth Are the hours of public libraries really not available? Sincerely, David Bigwood dbigw...@gmail.commailto:dbigw...@gmail.com Lunar and Planetary Institute @LPI_Library https://www.flickr.com/photos/lunarandplanetaryinstitute/
Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours
I'm not at all surprised that this doesn't already exist, and even if OCLC's was available, I'd be willing to bet it was out of date. Public library hours, especially in underfunded areas, may fluctuate depending on funding cycles, seasons (whether school is in or out), etc., not to mention closing/reopening/moving because of old buildings that need to be updated. We have around 280 locations in our consortium and we have to rely on self-reporting to find out if their hours change. We certainly don't have staff time to check every one of their web sites on regular basis, I can't imagine keeping track of 17,000! Terran McCanna PINES Program Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 Atlanta, GA 30345 404-235-7138 tmcca...@georgialibraries.org - Original Message - From: Peter Murray jes...@dltj.org To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 4:36:56 PM Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours OCLC has an institutional registry [1], which had (in part) library hours, addresses, and so forth. It seems to be unavailable, though [2]. That is the only systematic collection of library hours data that I know about. Peter [1] https://www.oclc.org/worldcat-registry.en.html [2] https://www.worldcat.org/registry/institution/ On May 5, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Bigwood, David dbigw...@hou.usra.edu wrote: This looks like a decent group, but I find this statement hard to believe. Your tax-deductible donation supports adding the names, address and the hours of operation of all libraries to Range. The Institute of Museum and Library Services publishes an open data catalog which is the source we'll use for the names and the addresses of the nation's libraries. However, there isn't a listing of the days and hours of operation for all libraries in the US. We are going to track down the hours of operation for all 17,000 libraries and make that information available -- in Range and for other developers who may want to use it. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/range-food-and-safe-places-for-youth Are the hours of public libraries really not available? Sincerely, David Bigwood dbigw...@gmail.commailto:dbigw...@gmail.com Lunar and Planetary Institute @LPI_Library https://www.flickr.com/photos/lunarandplanetaryinstitute/
Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours
OCLC has an institutional registry [1], which had (in part) library hours, addresses, and so forth. It seems to be unavailable, though [2]. That is the only systematic collection of library hours data that I know about. Peter [1] https://www.oclc.org/worldcat-registry.en.html [2] https://www.worldcat.org/registry/institution/ On May 5, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Bigwood, David dbigw...@hou.usra.edu wrote: This looks like a decent group, but I find this statement hard to believe. Your tax-deductible donation supports adding the names, address and the hours of operation of all libraries to Range. The Institute of Museum and Library Services publishes an open data catalog which is the source we'll use for the names and the addresses of the nation's libraries. However, there isn't a listing of the days and hours of operation for all libraries in the US. We are going to track down the hours of operation for all 17,000 libraries and make that information available -- in Range and for other developers who may want to use it. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/range-food-and-safe-places-for-youth Are the hours of public libraries really not available? Sincerely, David Bigwood dbigw...@gmail.commailto:dbigw...@gmail.com Lunar and Planetary Institute @LPI_Library https://www.flickr.com/photos/lunarandplanetaryinstitute/
Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours
Maybe you were looking for this? http://www.worldcat.org/registry/Institutions Lesli On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Peter Murray jes...@dltj.org wrote: OCLC has an institutional registry [1], which had (in part) library hours, addresses, and so forth. It seems to be unavailable, though [2]. That is the only systematic collection of library hours data that I know about. Peter [1] https://www.oclc.org/worldcat-registry.en.html [2] https://www.worldcat.org/registry/institution/ On May 5, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Bigwood, David dbigw...@hou.usra.edu wrote: This looks like a decent group, but I find this statement hard to believe. Your tax-deductible donation supports adding the names, address and the hours of operation of all libraries to Range. The Institute of Museum and Library Services publishes an open data catalog which is the source we'll use for the names and the addresses of the nation's libraries. However, there isn't a listing of the days and hours of operation for all libraries in the US. We are going to track down the hours of operation for all 17,000 libraries and make that information available -- in Range and for other developers who may want to use it. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/range-food-and-safe-places-for-youth Are the hours of public libraries really not available? Sincerely, David Bigwood dbigw...@gmail.commailto:dbigw...@gmail.com Lunar and Planetary Institute @LPI_Library https://www.flickr.com/photos/lunarandplanetaryinstitute/
Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours
Data in the OCLC Registry is maintained by the library. I have that on my long list of things to attend to, and only check it rarely. The Registry is a great idea -- and would be better if library vendors pointed at it for such basic things as link resolver address (as an example). But as far as I know, essentially nobody consumes the data, so there's not much of an impetus to keep it updated. -- Ken Varnum | Web Systems Manager | University of Michigan Library var...@umich.edu | @varnum | 734-615-3287 http://www.lib.umich.edu/users/varnum On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 4:53 PM, McCanna, Terran tmcca...@georgialibraries.org wrote: I'm not at all surprised that this doesn't already exist, and even if OCLC's was available, I'd be willing to bet it was out of date. Public library hours, especially in underfunded areas, may fluctuate depending on funding cycles, seasons (whether school is in or out), etc., not to mention closing/reopening/moving because of old buildings that need to be updated. We have around 280 locations in our consortium and we have to rely on self-reporting to find out if their hours change. We certainly don't have staff time to check every one of their web sites on regular basis, I can't imagine keeping track of 17,000! Terran McCanna PINES Program Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 Atlanta, GA 30345 404-235-7138 tmcca...@georgialibraries.org - Original Message - From: Peter Murray jes...@dltj.org To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 4:36:56 PM Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours OCLC has an institutional registry [1], which had (in part) library hours, addresses, and so forth. It seems to be unavailable, though [2]. That is the only systematic collection of library hours data that I know about. Peter [1] https://www.oclc.org/worldcat-registry.en.html [2] https://www.worldcat.org/registry/institution/ On May 5, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Bigwood, David dbigw...@hou.usra.edu wrote: This looks like a decent group, but I find this statement hard to believe. Your tax-deductible donation supports adding the names, address and the hours of operation of all libraries to Range. The Institute of Museum and Library Services publishes an open data catalog which is the source we'll use for the names and the addresses of the nation's libraries. However, there isn't a listing of the days and hours of operation for all libraries in the US. We are going to track down the hours of operation for all 17,000 libraries and make that information available -- in Range and for other developers who may want to use it. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/range-food-and-safe-places-for-youth Are the hours of public libraries really not available? Sincerely, David Bigwood dbigw...@gmail.commailto:dbigw...@gmail.com Lunar and Planetary Institute @LPI_Library https://www.flickr.com/photos/lunarandplanetaryinstitute/
Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours
Does the OCLC Registry even allow libraries to post their hours if they want to? I'm looking at the published library listings in WorldCat, and I don't see hours on any of them (so far). Terran McCanna PINES Program Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 Atlanta, GA 30345 404-235-7138 tmcca...@georgialibraries.org - Original Message - From: Ken Varnum var...@umich.edu To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 4:58:45 PM Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours Data in the OCLC Registry is maintained by the library. I have that on my long list of things to attend to, and only check it rarely. The Registry is a great idea -- and would be better if library vendors pointed at it for such basic things as link resolver address (as an example). But as far as I know, essentially nobody consumes the data, so there's not much of an impetus to keep it updated. -- Ken Varnum | Web Systems Manager | University of Michigan Library var...@umich.edu | @varnum | 734-615-3287 http://www.lib.umich.edu/users/varnum
Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours
My bad: apparently June 15 is the date thank-you gifts are sent. On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 5:19 PM, nitin arora nitar...@gmail.com wrote: I can't see they distinguished between public libraries and other types on their campaign page. They say all libraries as far as I can see. So I suppose then that this is true for all libraries: Libraries offer a space anyone can enter, where money isn't exchanged, and documentation doesn't have to be shown. Who knew fines and library/student-IDs were a thing of the past? The only data sets I can find where they got the 17,000 number is for public libraries: http://www.imls.gov/research/pls_data_files.aspx Maybe I missed something. There is an hours field on one of the CSVs I downloaded, etc for 2012 data (the most recent I could find). Asking 10k for something targeted for completion in June and without a grasp on what types of libraries there are and how volatile the hours information is (especially in crisis) ... Sounds naive at best, sketchy at worst. The flexible funding button says this campaign will receive all funds raised even if it does not reach its goals. The value of these places for youth cannot be underestimated. So is the value of a quick buck ... On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 4:53 PM, McCanna, Terran tmcca...@georgialibraries.org wrote: I'm not at all surprised that this doesn't already exist, and even if OCLC's was available, I'd be willing to bet it was out of date. Public library hours, especially in underfunded areas, may fluctuate depending on funding cycles, seasons (whether school is in or out), etc., not to mention closing/reopening/moving because of old buildings that need to be updated. We have around 280 locations in our consortium and we have to rely on self-reporting to find out if their hours change. We certainly don't have staff time to check every one of their web sites on regular basis, I can't imagine keeping track of 17,000! Terran McCanna PINES Program Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 Atlanta, GA 30345 404-235-7138 tmcca...@georgialibraries.org - Original Message - From: Peter Murray jes...@dltj.org To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 4:36:56 PM Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours OCLC has an institutional registry [1], which had (in part) library hours, addresses, and so forth. It seems to be unavailable, though [2]. That is the only systematic collection of library hours data that I know about. Peter [1] https://www.oclc.org/worldcat-registry.en.html [2] https://www.worldcat.org/registry/institution/ On May 5, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Bigwood, David dbigw...@hou.usra.edu wrote: This looks like a decent group, but I find this statement hard to believe. Your tax-deductible donation supports adding the names, address and the hours of operation of all libraries to Range. The Institute of Museum and Library Services publishes an open data catalog which is the source we'll use for the names and the addresses of the nation's libraries. However, there isn't a listing of the days and hours of operation for all libraries in the US. We are going to track down the hours of operation for all 17,000 libraries and make that information available -- in Range and for other developers who may want to use it. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/range-food-and-safe-places-for-youth Are the hours of public libraries really not available? Sincerely, David Bigwood dbigw...@gmail.commailto:dbigw...@gmail.com Lunar and Planetary Institute @LPI_Library https://www.flickr.com/photos/lunarandplanetaryinstitute/ -- Nitin Arora nitaro74 (at) gmail (dot) com Hope always, expect never. humaneguitarist.org blog.humaneguitarist.org -- Nitin Arora nitaro74 (at) gmail (dot) com Hope always, expect never. humaneguitarist.org blog.humaneguitarist.org
Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours
I can't see they distinguished between public libraries and other types on their campaign page. They say all libraries as far as I can see. So I suppose then that this is true for all libraries: Libraries offer a space anyone can enter, where money isn't exchanged, and documentation doesn't have to be shown. Who knew fines and library/student-IDs were a thing of the past? The only data sets I can find where they got the 17,000 number is for public libraries: http://www.imls.gov/research/pls_data_files.aspx Maybe I missed something. There is an hours field on one of the CSVs I downloaded, etc for 2012 data (the most recent I could find). Asking 10k for something targeted for completion in June and without a grasp on what types of libraries there are and how volatile the hours information is (especially in crisis) ... Sounds naive at best, sketchy at worst. The flexible funding button says this campaign will receive all funds raised even if it does not reach its goals. The value of these places for youth cannot be underestimated. So is the value of a quick buck ... On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 4:53 PM, McCanna, Terran tmcca...@georgialibraries.org wrote: I'm not at all surprised that this doesn't already exist, and even if OCLC's was available, I'd be willing to bet it was out of date. Public library hours, especially in underfunded areas, may fluctuate depending on funding cycles, seasons (whether school is in or out), etc., not to mention closing/reopening/moving because of old buildings that need to be updated. We have around 280 locations in our consortium and we have to rely on self-reporting to find out if their hours change. We certainly don't have staff time to check every one of their web sites on regular basis, I can't imagine keeping track of 17,000! Terran McCanna PINES Program Manager Georgia Public Library Service 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 Atlanta, GA 30345 404-235-7138 tmcca...@georgialibraries.org - Original Message - From: Peter Murray jes...@dltj.org To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 4:36:56 PM Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours OCLC has an institutional registry [1], which had (in part) library hours, addresses, and so forth. It seems to be unavailable, though [2]. That is the only systematic collection of library hours data that I know about. Peter [1] https://www.oclc.org/worldcat-registry.en.html [2] https://www.worldcat.org/registry/institution/ On May 5, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Bigwood, David dbigw...@hou.usra.edu wrote: This looks like a decent group, but I find this statement hard to believe. Your tax-deductible donation supports adding the names, address and the hours of operation of all libraries to Range. The Institute of Museum and Library Services publishes an open data catalog which is the source we'll use for the names and the addresses of the nation's libraries. However, there isn't a listing of the days and hours of operation for all libraries in the US. We are going to track down the hours of operation for all 17,000 libraries and make that information available -- in Range and for other developers who may want to use it. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/range-food-and-safe-places-for-youth Are the hours of public libraries really not available? Sincerely, David Bigwood dbigw...@gmail.commailto:dbigw...@gmail.com Lunar and Planetary Institute @LPI_Library https://www.flickr.com/photos/lunarandplanetaryinstitute/ -- Nitin Arora nitaro74 (at) gmail (dot) com Hope always, expect never. humaneguitarist.org blog.humaneguitarist.org
Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours Fail
Here's a status update on how I am using the LibCal Hours API to display hours on my library's homepage. For MPOW, the API gave me a URL for JSON as: https://api3.libcal.com/api_hours_grid.php?iid=567format=jsonweeks=1 The problem I had was that the LibCal v2 documentation didn't say how to obtain JSONP rather than JSON in order to avoid the CORS problem. I resigned myself to writing my own custom PHP script to turn the LibCal JSON into JSONP, but Emily King pointed me in the right direction and a programmer at SpringShare advised me that all I had to do was to add the string callback=? at the end of the URL to generate JSONP directly. E.G., https://api3.libcal.com/api_hours_grid.php?iid=567format=jsonweeks=1callback= ? After playing around with several other APIs to gain experience working with JSON, I have come to realize this is a common practice (adding the callback attribute) and that it is often undocumented. I guess you are just supposed to know. Here's a codepen displaying the current week's hours. If the currently_open attribute for a given day is set to true -- i.e., is it today and are we currently open -- a CSS class is added to highlight that day in the list. http://codepen.io/tomkeays/pen/MYewYN?editors=001 Our situation is that we have extended hours from 9 pm - 2 am from Sunday - Thursday, when patrons have to use their ID cards as keycards to swipe and gain entrance to the building. LibCal let me set this up quite easily. In the pen, if you change the offset from 0 to 1 (from current week to next week), you can see what that looks like. Tom On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Tom Keays tomke...@gmail.com wrote: I've been playing with the hours options in LibCal. I especially like being able to pull out today's hours so easily. LibCal gives you options to do this using HTML (iframe), JavaScript, JSON, or RSS. HTML and JavaScript both format the output in a table, which is probably desirable if you have multiple locations, but maybe less good if you have one location only. That made me want to look into rolling my own solution using the JSON option. The problem is that to avoid XSS vulnerabilities, you can't use plain JSON, but must instead use JSONP, which is NOT an option being offered by LibCal (if anybody knows otherwise, I'd appreciate the information). So, my solution was to write a meatball PHP script that wraps the JSON in a JSONP callback. I wish I didn't have to do the extra server hop, but it works. Here's my demo. http://codepen.io/tomkeays/pen/EaKrgg/?editors=101 Now, I wish there was a JSON option to display a week's worth of hours for a given location instead of just the one day's worth. On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Heidi Steiner Burkhardt hmstei...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Mary, You mentioned LibCal and I do not think anyone else has addressed this yet...you can use the Hours module for one location with the free version http://www.springshare.com/free.html. The one location piece is the only limitation...so it should work for you if you just need it for one library's hours. It is what we use on our website http://academics.norwich.edu/library/about/hours/. You can set the hours for the whole year (using templates and exceptions) and then do not have to worry about it. There are a few different widget/API options http://help.springshare.com/usinghourslc/widgetapi. All best, Heidi -- Heidi Steiner Burkhardt Head of Digital Services Kreitzberg Library, Norwich University 158 Harmon Dr. Northfield, Vermont 802.485.2171 On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Mary E. Hanlin mhan...@reynolds.edu wrote: Hi All, I know this has been covered a bit here, but I have a rather exigent conundrum, and I'm hoping to figure out the best/easiest solution. Yesterday, the script to hour library hours (on our front page) which pulls from Google calendar stopped working (Error at line undefined in undefined[!] - the exclamation point is mine; it seemed like it needed one.) Basically, the code came from a site that walked one through how to call daily hours (javascript) using Google's V2 API, but the V2 is fully deprecated (as I abruptly discovered), and I need to figure out another solution. (I haven't been able to find similar documentation for V3's API.) Some constraints: 1. Our IT will not support php.We are an .NET shop with IIS servers. 2. We may not have the dough to pay for something like LibCal which seems to me the easiest solution. 3. I'm semi-new to this Internets/webmaster thing, and really only know front-end coding, so a solution involving something like .NET, Python, etc. would have to have, How to make a peanut butter sandwich, kind of documentation. Right now, I've just manually coded our hours, which is fine until Saturday when our hours change, and I'm not here (hopefully). I will be super grateful for insight or knowledge. Mary. Mary Hanlin
Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours Fail
I've been playing with the hours options in LibCal. I especially like being able to pull out today's hours so easily. LibCal gives you options to do this using HTML (iframe), JavaScript, JSON, or RSS. HTML and JavaScript both format the output in a table, which is probably desirable if you have multiple locations, but maybe less good if you have one location only. That made me want to look into rolling my own solution using the JSON option. The problem is that to avoid XSS vulnerabilities, you can't use plain JSON, but must instead use JSONP, which is NOT an option being offered by LibCal (if anybody knows otherwise, I'd appreciate the information). So, my solution was to write a meatball PHP script that wraps the JSON in a JSONP callback. I wish I didn't have to do the extra server hop, but it works. Here's my demo. http://codepen.io/tomkeays/pen/EaKrgg/?editors=101 Now, I wish there was a JSON option to display a week's worth of hours for a given location instead of just the one day's worth. On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Heidi Steiner Burkhardt hmstei...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Mary, You mentioned LibCal and I do not think anyone else has addressed this yet...you can use the Hours module for one location with the free version http://www.springshare.com/free.html. The one location piece is the only limitation...so it should work for you if you just need it for one library's hours. It is what we use on our website http://academics.norwich.edu/library/about/hours/. You can set the hours for the whole year (using templates and exceptions) and then do not have to worry about it. There are a few different widget/API options http://help.springshare.com/usinghourslc/widgetapi. All best, Heidi -- Heidi Steiner Burkhardt Head of Digital Services Kreitzberg Library, Norwich University 158 Harmon Dr. Northfield, Vermont 802.485.2171 On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Mary E. Hanlin mhan...@reynolds.edu wrote: Hi All, I know this has been covered a bit here, but I have a rather exigent conundrum, and I'm hoping to figure out the best/easiest solution. Yesterday, the script to hour library hours (on our front page) which pulls from Google calendar stopped working (Error at line undefined in undefined[!] - the exclamation point is mine; it seemed like it needed one.) Basically, the code came from a site that walked one through how to call daily hours (javascript) using Google's V2 API, but the V2 is fully deprecated (as I abruptly discovered), and I need to figure out another solution. (I haven't been able to find similar documentation for V3's API.) Some constraints: 1. Our IT will not support php.We are an .NET shop with IIS servers. 2. We may not have the dough to pay for something like LibCal which seems to me the easiest solution. 3. I'm semi-new to this Internets/webmaster thing, and really only know front-end coding, so a solution involving something like .NET, Python, etc. would have to have, How to make a peanut butter sandwich, kind of documentation. Right now, I've just manually coded our hours, which is fine until Saturday when our hours change, and I'm not here (hopefully). I will be super grateful for insight or knowledge. Mary. Mary Hanlin Electronic Resources and Web Librarian J. Sargeant Reynolds Community College Phone:804.523.5323 Email: mhan...@reynolds.edu
Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours Fail
We'd been using Andrew Darby's method and ran into this problem earlier this year. A (now ex-)colleague coded Calibr (https://github.com/LincolnUniLTL/calibr ) when we ran into this problem, and we've been running it since. Does depend on tidy csv though. Deborah -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Heller, Margaret Sent: Wednesday, 19 November 2014 11:51 a.m. To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours Fail Wish I had checked the list this morning, as I just discovered we had the same problem. We have been using Andrew Darby's method outlined here: http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/46. Is there by any chance someone using this method who happened to know the V2 API was being deprecated who already updated their app to V3? If not anyone who wants to work on getting this to work tomorrow? Margaret Heller Digital Services Librarian Loyola University Chicago 773-508-2686 -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Mary E. Hanlin Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 8:19 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours Fail Hi All, I know this has been covered a bit here, but I have a rather exigent conundrum, and I'm hoping to figure out the best/easiest solution. Yesterday, the script to hour library hours (on our front page) which pulls from Google calendar stopped working (Error at line undefined in undefined[!] - the exclamation point is mine; it seemed like it needed one.) Basically, the code came from a site that walked one through how to call daily hours (javascript) using Google's V2 API, but the V2 is fully deprecated (as I abruptly discovered), and I need to figure out another solution. (I haven't been able to find similar documentation for V3's API.) Some constraints: 1. Our IT will not support php.We are an .NET shop with IIS servers. 2. We may not have the dough to pay for something like LibCal which seems to me the easiest solution. 3. I'm semi-new to this Internets/webmaster thing, and really only know front-end coding, so a solution involving something like .NET, Python, etc. would have to have, How to make a peanut butter sandwich, kind of documentation. Right now, I've just manually coded our hours, which is fine until Saturday when our hours change, and I'm not here (hopefully). I will be super grateful for insight or knowledge. Mary. Mary Hanlin Electronic Resources and Web Librarian J. Sargeant Reynolds Community College Phone:804.523.5323 Email: mhan...@reynolds.edu P Please consider the environment before you print this email. The contents of this e-mail (including any attachments) may be confidential and/or subject to copyright. Any unauthorised use, distribution, or copying of the contents is expressly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please advise the sender by return e-mail or telephone and then delete this e-mail together with all attachments from your system.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours Fail
I have a solution running that is compatible with API V3 but it is pretty specific to Ruby on Rails. The idea is to use Google's iCal interface rather than the API. iCal is going to stay the same no matter how many iterations the API goes through. You basically just need to find an iCal parsing library for whatever language you are using. The only problem is that Google does a bad job with exceptions to recurrence rules (rrules). Instead of editing a single event in a repeating series, you have to delete that event and re-add it as a separate event. https://gist.github.com/jswelker/04997f378d9bc02311d2 In this example, I have a MySQL table listing several Google Calendars and the URL given for their iCal files in the calendar settings page. It loops through each calendar, fetches the iCal, parses it, and saves the resulting hours to a separate Events table. This might be more complicated than people are wanting. Josh Welker -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Heller, Margaret Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 4:51 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours Fail Wish I had checked the list this morning, as I just discovered we had the same problem. We have been using Andrew Darby's method outlined here: http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/46. Is there by any chance someone using this method who happened to know the V2 API was being deprecated who already updated their app to V3? If not anyone who wants to work on getting this to work tomorrow? Margaret Heller Digital Services Librarian Loyola University Chicago 773-508-2686 -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Mary E. Hanlin Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 8:19 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours Fail Hi All, I know this has been covered a bit here, but I have a rather exigent conundrum, and I'm hoping to figure out the best/easiest solution. Yesterday, the script to hour library hours (on our front page) which pulls from Google calendar stopped working (Error at line undefined in undefined[!] - the exclamation point is mine; it seemed like it needed one.) Basically, the code came from a site that walked one through how to call daily hours (javascript) using Google's V2 API, but the V2 is fully deprecated (as I abruptly discovered), and I need to figure out another solution. (I haven't been able to find similar documentation for V3's API.) Some constraints: 1. Our IT will not support php.We are an .NET shop with IIS servers. 2. We may not have the dough to pay for something like LibCal which seems to me the easiest solution. 3. I'm semi-new to this Internets/webmaster thing, and really only know front-end coding, so a solution involving something like .NET, Python, etc. would have to have, How to make a peanut butter sandwich, kind of documentation. Right now, I've just manually coded our hours, which is fine until Saturday when our hours change, and I'm not here (hopefully). I will be super grateful for insight or knowledge. Mary. Mary Hanlin Electronic Resources and Web Librarian J. Sargeant Reynolds Community College Phone:804.523.5323 Email: mhan...@reynolds.edu
Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours Fail
Josh, A nice job. I like how you integrated the hours in your homepage, too. For people who did not see it: https://library.ucmo.edu/ I helped a friend upgrading a hours calendar to API v3 from API v2 last night. The major difference between v2 and. v3 is the returned data is changed from Atom feed to JSon, in addition to the requirement of OAuth authorization. I added OAuth code (following the Google's example) first. Then, I changed a few lines and property names in the listEvents function to parse the data correctly. This is what I came up with. The source code is written in JavaScript. http://bit.ly/nwlivecalendar (see the libhours.js file in the source code) Sarah Park -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Joshua Welker Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 8:39 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours Fail I have a solution running that is compatible with API V3 but it is pretty specific to Ruby on Rails. The idea is to use Google's iCal interface rather than the API. iCal is going to stay the same no matter how many iterations the API goes through. You basically just need to find an iCal parsing library for whatever language you are using. The only problem is that Google does a bad job with exceptions to recurrence rules (rrules). Instead of editing a single event in a repeating series, you have to delete that event and re-add it as a separate event. https://gist.github.com/jswelker/04997f378d9bc02311d2 In this example, I have a MySQL table listing several Google Calendars and the URL given for their iCal files in the calendar settings page. It loops through each calendar, fetches the iCal, parses it, and saves the resulting hours to a separate Events table. This might be more complicated than people are wanting. Josh Welker -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Heller, Margaret Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 4:51 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours Fail Wish I had checked the list this morning, as I just discovered we had the same problem. We have been using Andrew Darby's method outlined here: http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/46. Is there by any chance someone using this method who happened to know the V2 API was being deprecated who already updated their app to V3? If not anyone who wants to work on getting this to work tomorrow? Margaret Heller Digital Services Librarian Loyola University Chicago 773-508-2686 -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Mary E. Hanlin Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 8:19 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours Fail Hi All, I know this has been covered a bit here, but I have a rather exigent conundrum, and I'm hoping to figure out the best/easiest solution. Yesterday, the script to hour library hours (on our front page) which pulls from Google calendar stopped working (Error at line undefined in undefined[!] - the exclamation point is mine; it seemed like it needed one.) Basically, the code came from a site that walked one through how to call daily hours (javascript) using Google's V2 API, but the V2 is fully deprecated (as I abruptly discovered), and I need to figure out another solution. (I haven't been able to find similar documentation for V3's API.) Some constraints: 1. Our IT will not support php.We are an .NET shop with IIS servers. 2. We may not have the dough to pay for something like LibCal which seems to me the easiest solution. 3. I'm semi-new to this Internets/webmaster thing, and really only know front-end coding, so a solution involving something like .NET, Python, etc. would have to have, How to make a peanut butter sandwich, kind of documentation. Right now, I've just manually coded our hours, which is fine until Saturday when our hours change, and I'm not here (hopefully). I will be super grateful for insight or knowledge. Mary. Mary Hanlin Electronic Resources and Web Librarian J. Sargeant Reynolds Community College Phone:804.523.5323 Email: mhan...@reynolds.edu
Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours Fail
Heidi: You just made my day. I hadn't realized we could run that through libcal. We have a couple calendars through them but have never used them. I have the weekly javascript option (like Nick mentioned) running our Today's Hours now and I'm so excited that I'll be able to set it and forget it for the whole year (instead of changing every time there's a schedule deviation - and then changing back.) woohoo! On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Sarah Park gp...@siue.edu wrote: Josh, A nice job. I like how you integrated the hours in your homepage, too. For people who did not see it: https://library.ucmo.edu/ I helped a friend upgrading a hours calendar to API v3 from API v2 last night. The major difference between v2 and. v3 is the returned data is changed from Atom feed to JSon, in addition to the requirement of OAuth authorization. I added OAuth code (following the Google's example) first. Then, I changed a few lines and property names in the listEvents function to parse the data correctly. This is what I came up with. The source code is written in JavaScript. http://bit.ly/nwlivecalendar (see the libhours.js file in the source code) Sarah Park -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Joshua Welker Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 8:39 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours Fail I have a solution running that is compatible with API V3 but it is pretty specific to Ruby on Rails. The idea is to use Google's iCal interface rather than the API. iCal is going to stay the same no matter how many iterations the API goes through. You basically just need to find an iCal parsing library for whatever language you are using. The only problem is that Google does a bad job with exceptions to recurrence rules (rrules). Instead of editing a single event in a repeating series, you have to delete that event and re-add it as a separate event. https://gist.github.com/jswelker/04997f378d9bc02311d2 In this example, I have a MySQL table listing several Google Calendars and the URL given for their iCal files in the calendar settings page. It loops through each calendar, fetches the iCal, parses it, and saves the resulting hours to a separate Events table. This might be more complicated than people are wanting. Josh Welker -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Heller, Margaret Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 4:51 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours Fail Wish I had checked the list this morning, as I just discovered we had the same problem. We have been using Andrew Darby's method outlined here: http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/46. Is there by any chance someone using this method who happened to know the V2 API was being deprecated who already updated their app to V3? If not anyone who wants to work on getting this to work tomorrow? Margaret Heller Digital Services Librarian Loyola University Chicago 773-508-2686 -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Mary E. Hanlin Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 8:19 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours Fail Hi All, I know this has been covered a bit here, but I have a rather exigent conundrum, and I'm hoping to figure out the best/easiest solution. Yesterday, the script to hour library hours (on our front page) which pulls from Google calendar stopped working (Error at line undefined in undefined[!] - the exclamation point is mine; it seemed like it needed one.) Basically, the code came from a site that walked one through how to call daily hours (javascript) using Google's V2 API, but the V2 is fully deprecated (as I abruptly discovered), and I need to figure out another solution. (I haven't been able to find similar documentation for V3's API.) Some constraints: 1. Our IT will not support php.We are an .NET shop with IIS servers. 2. We may not have the dough to pay for something like LibCal which seems to me the easiest solution. 3. I'm semi-new to this Internets/webmaster thing, and really only know front-end coding, so a solution involving something like .NET, Python, etc. would have to have, How to make a peanut butter sandwich, kind of documentation. Right now, I've just manually coded our hours, which is fine until Saturday when our hours change, and I'm not here (hopefully). I will be super grateful for insight or knowledge. Mary. Mary Hanlin Electronic Resources and Web Librarian J. Sargeant Reynolds Community College Phone:804.523.5323 Email: mhan...@reynolds.edu -- Brad Coffield, MLIS Assistant Information and Web Services Librarian Saint Francis University 814-472-3315 bcoffi...@francis.edu
[CODE4LIB] Library Hours Fail
Hi All, I know this has been covered a bit here, but I have a rather exigent conundrum, and I'm hoping to figure out the best/easiest solution. Yesterday, the script to hour library hours (on our front page) which pulls from Google calendar stopped working (Error at line undefined in undefined[!] - the exclamation point is mine; it seemed like it needed one.) Basically, the code came from a site that walked one through how to call daily hours (javascript) using Google's V2 API, but the V2 is fully deprecated (as I abruptly discovered), and I need to figure out another solution. (I haven't been able to find similar documentation for V3's API.) Some constraints: 1. Our IT will not support php.We are an .NET shop with IIS servers. 2. We may not have the dough to pay for something like LibCal which seems to me the easiest solution. 3. I'm semi-new to this Internets/webmaster thing, and really only know front-end coding, so a solution involving something like .NET, Python, etc. would have to have, How to make a peanut butter sandwich, kind of documentation. Right now, I've just manually coded our hours, which is fine until Saturday when our hours change, and I'm not here (hopefully). I will be super grateful for insight or knowledge. Mary. Mary Hanlin Electronic Resources and Web Librarian J. Sargeant Reynolds Community College Phone:804.523.5323 Email: mhan...@reynolds.edu
Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours Fail
Hi Mary,
This is probably not the best solution, but it is easy. The javascript
below gives you a week of hours and displays only the current day, so you
only have to update it when the weekly hours change. This is what we use
on our site (http://www.bc.edu/schools/law/library.html).
p
Today's Library Hours:br
script type=text/javascript
var Sunday='10AM - 11:45PM';
var Monday = '7:30AM - 11:45PM';
var Tuesday = '7:30AM - 11:45PM';
var Wednesday = '7:30AM - 11:45PM';
var Thursday = '7:30AM - 11:45PM';
var Friday = '7:30AM - 10PM';
var Saturday = '9AM - 10PM';
function Hours (n) {
this.length = n;
for (var i =1; i = n; i++) {
this[i] = ' '
}
}
hours = new Array(7);
hours[0] = Sunday
hours[1] = Monday
hours[2] = Tuesday
hours[3] = Wednesday
hours[4] = Thursday
hours[5] = Friday
hours[6] = Saturday
var currentdate = new Date();
var daynumber = currentdate.getDay();
document.write(hours[daynumber]);
/script
br
a
href=/content/dam/files/schools/law_sites/library/pdf/Hours.pdfDetailed
Listing of Hours/a/p
I hope that helps, even if its just a short-term solution.
Best,
Nick
Nick Szydlowski
Digital Initiatives and Scholarly Communication Librarian
Boston College Law School
617 552-4474
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Mary E. Hanlin mhan...@reynolds.edu
wrote:
Hi All,
I know this has been covered a bit here, but I have a rather exigent
conundrum, and I'm hoping to figure out the best/easiest solution.
Yesterday, the script to hour library hours (on our front page) which pulls
from Google calendar stopped working (Error at line undefined in
undefined[!] - the exclamation point is mine; it seemed like it needed
one.)
Basically, the code came from a site that walked one through how to call
daily hours (javascript) using Google's V2 API, but the V2 is fully
deprecated (as I abruptly discovered), and I need to figure out another
solution. (I haven't been able to find similar documentation for V3's API.)
Some constraints: 1. Our IT will not support php.We are an .NET shop
with IIS servers. 2. We may not have the dough to pay for something like
LibCal which seems to me the easiest solution. 3. I'm semi-new to this
Internets/webmaster thing, and really only know front-end coding, so a
solution involving something like .NET, Python, etc. would have to have,
How to make a peanut butter sandwich, kind of documentation.
Right now, I've just manually coded our hours, which is fine until
Saturday when our hours change, and I'm not here (hopefully). I will be
super grateful for insight or knowledge.
Mary.
Mary Hanlin
Electronic Resources and Web Librarian
J. Sargeant Reynolds Community College
Phone:804.523.5323
Email: mhan...@reynolds.edu
Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours Fail
Hi Mary, Here's an asp script that I used to use to display our hours ( http://library.dowling.edu). It has a feature to allow for predefined closures. It just needs to be called via javascript from the page you wish to use it on. We used to have a IIS server, but have recently changed over to a linux one. So, I had to rewrite it as php, but this always worked reliably. Take care, Laura Pope Robbins Dowling College On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Mary E. Hanlin mhan...@reynolds.edu wrote: Hi All, I know this has been covered a bit here, but I have a rather exigent conundrum, and I'm hoping to figure out the best/easiest solution. Yesterday, the script to hour library hours (on our front page) which pulls from Google calendar stopped working (Error at line undefined in undefined[!] - the exclamation point is mine; it seemed like it needed one.) Basically, the code came from a site that walked one through how to call daily hours (javascript) using Google's V2 API, but the V2 is fully deprecated (as I abruptly discovered), and I need to figure out another solution. (I haven't been able to find similar documentation for V3's API.) Some constraints: 1. Our IT will not support php.We are an .NET shop with IIS servers. 2. We may not have the dough to pay for something like LibCal which seems to me the easiest solution. 3. I'm semi-new to this Internets/webmaster thing, and really only know front-end coding, so a solution involving something like .NET, Python, etc. would have to have, How to make a peanut butter sandwich, kind of documentation. Right now, I've just manually coded our hours, which is fine until Saturday when our hours change, and I'm not here (hopefully). I will be super grateful for insight or knowledge. Mary. Mary Hanlin Electronic Resources and Web Librarian J. Sargeant Reynolds Community College Phone:804.523.5323 Email: mhan...@reynolds.edu hours2.asp Description: Binary data
Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours Fail
Hi Mary, I'm working up a web component that will do hours from a Google Cal. It's a bit alpha (and bleeding edge) given it's a web component and I haven't gotten around to using it in production. Feel free to ignore the rest of this email. example: https://github.com/uvalib-components/uvalib-hours-ui/blob/master/uvalib-hours-ui.html repo: https://github.com/uvalib-components/uvalib-hours-ui Cheers, --Doug On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Laura Robbins pope...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Mary, Here's an asp script that I used to use to display our hours ( http://library.dowling.edu). It has a feature to allow for predefined closures. It just needs to be called via javascript from the page you wish to use it on. We used to have a IIS server, but have recently changed over to a linux one. So, I had to rewrite it as php, but this always worked reliably. Take care, Laura Pope Robbins Dowling College On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Mary E. Hanlin mhan...@reynolds.edu wrote: Hi All, I know this has been covered a bit here, but I have a rather exigent conundrum, and I'm hoping to figure out the best/easiest solution. Yesterday, the script to hour library hours (on our front page) which pulls from Google calendar stopped working (Error at line undefined in undefined[!] - the exclamation point is mine; it seemed like it needed one.) Basically, the code came from a site that walked one through how to call daily hours (javascript) using Google's V2 API, but the V2 is fully deprecated (as I abruptly discovered), and I need to figure out another solution. (I haven't been able to find similar documentation for V3's API.) Some constraints: 1. Our IT will not support php.We are an .NET shop with IIS servers. 2. We may not have the dough to pay for something like LibCal which seems to me the easiest solution. 3. I'm semi-new to this Internets/webmaster thing, and really only know front-end coding, so a solution involving something like .NET, Python, etc. would have to have, How to make a peanut butter sandwich, kind of documentation. Right now, I've just manually coded our hours, which is fine until Saturday when our hours change, and I'm not here (hopefully). I will be super grateful for insight or knowledge. Mary. Mary Hanlin Electronic Resources and Web Librarian J. Sargeant Reynolds Community College Phone:804.523.5323 Email: mhan...@reynolds.edu
Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours Fail
Sorry, fixed example link as my clipboard is acting up today: http://uvalib-components.github.io/uvalib-hours-ui/components/uvalib-hours-ui/demo.html On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Doug Chestnut dougchest...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Mary, I'm working up a web component that will do hours from a Google Cal. It's a bit alpha (and bleeding edge) given it's a web component and I haven't gotten around to using it in production. Feel free to ignore the rest of this email. example: https://github.com/uvalib-components/uvalib-hours-ui/blob/master/uvalib-hours-ui.html repo: https://github.com/uvalib-components/uvalib-hours-ui Cheers, --Doug On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Laura Robbins pope...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Mary, Here's an asp script that I used to use to display our hours ( http://library.dowling.edu). It has a feature to allow for predefined closures. It just needs to be called via javascript from the page you wish to use it on. We used to have a IIS server, but have recently changed over to a linux one. So, I had to rewrite it as php, but this always worked reliably. Take care, Laura Pope Robbins Dowling College On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Mary E. Hanlin mhan...@reynolds.edu wrote: Hi All, I know this has been covered a bit here, but I have a rather exigent conundrum, and I'm hoping to figure out the best/easiest solution. Yesterday, the script to hour library hours (on our front page) which pulls from Google calendar stopped working (Error at line undefined in undefined[!] - the exclamation point is mine; it seemed like it needed one.) Basically, the code came from a site that walked one through how to call daily hours (javascript) using Google's V2 API, but the V2 is fully deprecated (as I abruptly discovered), and I need to figure out another solution. (I haven't been able to find similar documentation for V3's API.) Some constraints: 1. Our IT will not support php.We are an .NET shop with IIS servers. 2. We may not have the dough to pay for something like LibCal which seems to me the easiest solution. 3. I'm semi-new to this Internets/webmaster thing, and really only know front-end coding, so a solution involving something like .NET, Python, etc. would have to have, How to make a peanut butter sandwich, kind of documentation. Right now, I've just manually coded our hours, which is fine until Saturday when our hours change, and I'm not here (hopefully). I will be super grateful for insight or knowledge. Mary. Mary Hanlin Electronic Resources and Web Librarian J. Sargeant Reynolds Community College Phone:804.523.5323 Email: mhan...@reynolds.edu
Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours Fail
Wish I had checked the list this morning, as I just discovered we had the same problem. We have been using Andrew Darby's method outlined here: http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/46. Is there by any chance someone using this method who happened to know the V2 API was being deprecated who already updated their app to V3? If not anyone who wants to work on getting this to work tomorrow? Margaret Heller Digital Services Librarian Loyola University Chicago 773-508-2686 -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Mary E. Hanlin Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 8:19 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours Fail Hi All, I know this has been covered a bit here, but I have a rather exigent conundrum, and I'm hoping to figure out the best/easiest solution. Yesterday, the script to hour library hours (on our front page) which pulls from Google calendar stopped working (Error at line undefined in undefined[!] - the exclamation point is mine; it seemed like it needed one.) Basically, the code came from a site that walked one through how to call daily hours (javascript) using Google's V2 API, but the V2 is fully deprecated (as I abruptly discovered), and I need to figure out another solution. (I haven't been able to find similar documentation for V3's API.) Some constraints: 1. Our IT will not support php.We are an .NET shop with IIS servers. 2. We may not have the dough to pay for something like LibCal which seems to me the easiest solution. 3. I'm semi-new to this Internets/webmaster thing, and really only know front-end coding, so a solution involving something like .NET, Python, etc. would have to have, How to make a peanut butter sandwich, kind of documentation. Right now, I've just manually coded our hours, which is fine until Saturday when our hours change, and I'm not here (hopefully). I will be super grateful for insight or knowledge. Mary. Mary Hanlin Electronic Resources and Web Librarian J. Sargeant Reynolds Community College Phone:804.523.5323 Email: mhan...@reynolds.edu
Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours Fail
** I sent this earlier today, but it didn't seem to go through, probably due to the attachment. I've replaced the previously attached source code with this online demo: http://codepen.io/troub/pen/VYYjxM/?editors=101 ** You can just grab the JS part and save it as a .js file and call that from your HTML (see below). We used probably the same javascript code (I remember I adapted it from some example buried somewhere in the Google documentation universe). I looked at it today and the attached code should work to get going with the Calendar API v3 (.txt extension added to avoid getting flagged as active code or something). Like before, you'll need to have a couple of things in your HTML; divs that get updated with the content: div id=calendarTitle style=font-weight:boldLoading Today's Hours/div div id=eventsi class=fa fa-refresh fa-spin/i/div And the script source and a call to the Google Client API code: script type=text/javascript src=/calendar-v3.js /script script src=https://apis.google.com/js/client.js?onload=handleClientLoad;/script You'll need to make sure you set up a project in the Google Developers Console ( https://console.developers.google.com ) and enable the Calendar API, then create a browser API key to use in the attached script file (somehow the v2 code always worked for us without an actual API key, if you were already using one you're halfway there). The .js code has the whole bit included for OAuth 2.0 authentication (the clientId and scopes variables, and all the Auth functions), which as I was trying to work this all out seemed necessary at first, but then once I got it all working I was able to shortcut past it. Make sure your website address(es) are listed as allowed referers on your API key, too. This is working for us now, and even though it took a while to work through exactly what was expected from the API, the new code is much simpler than the old, even with the OAuth stuff in there. Steven - /Steven Pryor Director of Digital Initiatives and Technologies Library and Information Services Southern Illinois University Edwardsville (618) 650-3080 stpr...@siue.edu / On 11/18/2014 8:18 AM, Mary E. Hanlin wrote: Hi All, I know this has been covered a bit here, but I have a rather exigent conundrum, and I'm hoping to figure out the best/easiest solution. Yesterday, the script to hour library hours (on our front page) which pulls from Google calendar stopped working (Error at line undefined in undefined[!] - the exclamation point is mine; it seemed like it needed one.) Basically, the code came from a site that walked one through how to call daily hours (javascript) using Google's V2 API, but the V2 is fully deprecated (as I abruptly discovered), and I need to figure out another solution. (I haven't been able to find similar documentation for V3's API.) Some constraints: 1. Our IT will not support php.We are an .NET shop with IIS servers. 2. We may not have the dough to pay for something like LibCal which seems to me the easiest solution. 3. I'm semi-new to this Internets/webmaster thing, and really only know front-end coding, so a solution involving something like .NET, Python, etc. would have to have, How to make a peanut butter sandwich, kind of documentation. Right now, I've just manually coded our hours, which is fine until Saturday when our hours change, and I'm not here (hopefully). I will be super grateful for insight or knowledge. Mary. Mary Hanlin Electronic Resources and Web Librarian J. Sargeant Reynolds Community College Phone:804.523.5323 Email:mhan...@reynolds.edu
Re: [CODE4LIB] library hours database/tool?
There's an Code4Lib journal on managing library hours with Google Calendar here: http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/46 Ron Gilmour Web Services Librarian Ithaca College Library On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Baksik, Corinna M. corinna_bak...@harvard.edu wrote: At Harvard we need to implement a new library hours database/tool. We have over 70 libraries and are looking for something that's easy for staff to update (~100 staff users), and has some form of API such that other sites (like the Med or Law school library sites), can access it so they don't have to update hours in multiple places. It needs to include amenities info, café hours, etc. Preferably staff could set default hours and then override them when hours vary. Are there any libraries doing this that are using open-source software, and like what they have? (If you have a locally built system and like what you have, I'm interested in that too). Many thanks, Corinna Corinna Baksik Systems Librarian Library Technology Services Harvard University 90 Mt. Auburn St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617.495.3724
[CODE4LIB] library hours database/tool?
At Harvard we need to implement a new library hours database/tool. We have over 70 libraries and are looking for something that's easy for staff to update (~100 staff users), and has some form of API such that other sites (like the Med or Law school library sites), can access it so they don't have to update hours in multiple places. It needs to include amenities info, café hours, etc. Preferably staff could set default hours and then override them when hours vary. Are there any libraries doing this that are using open-source software, and like what they have? (If you have a locally built system and like what you have, I'm interested in that too). Many thanks, Corinna Corinna Baksik Systems Librarian Library Technology Services Harvard University 90 Mt. Auburn St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617.495.3724
Re: [CODE4LIB] library hours database/tool?
I'm implementing this in Google Calendar. Easy to update for non-tech staff. Easy to have multiple calendars (one per location), and the API is baked in. Amenities info, etc. can be included in the notes field of the calendar entry. -Sean --- Sean Hannan Web Developer Sheridan Libraries Johns Hopkins University On 6/14/12 3:38 PM, Baksik, Corinna M. corinna_bak...@harvard.edu wrote: At Harvard we need to implement a new library hours database/tool. We have over 70 libraries and are looking for something that's easy for staff to update (~100 staff users), and has some form of API such that other sites (like the Med or Law school library sites), can access it so they don't have to update hours in multiple places. It needs to include amenities info, café hours, etc. Preferably staff could set default hours and then override them when hours vary. Are there any libraries doing this that are using open-source software, and like what they have? (If you have a locally built system and like what you have, I'm interested in that too). Many thanks, Corinna Corinna Baksik Systems Librarian Library Technology Services Harvard University 90 Mt. Auburn St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617.495.3724
Re: [CODE4LIB] library hours database/tool?
I have used Google Calendar for personal projects and I agree that it's easy to use. Here's some PHP code I've used to have Google Calendar power a simple calendar page: https://github.com/media-uk/GCalPHP However, I think that this is such a common task for university libraries that it would be a great project to collaborate on. I could see it as a web service that other systems could use to not only post hours, but also validate scheduling inputs for room bookings, book request pickup, reading room delivery, etc. -Shaun On 6/14/12 3:54 PM, Sean Hannan wrote: I'm implementing this in Google Calendar. Easy to update for non-tech staff. Easy to have multiple calendars (one per location), and the API is baked in. Amenities info, etc. can be included in the notes field of the calendar entry. -Sean --- Sean Hannan Web Developer Sheridan Libraries Johns Hopkins University On 6/14/12 3:38 PM, Baksik, Corinna M.corinna_bak...@harvard.edu wrote: At Harvard we need to implement a new library hours database/tool. We have over 70 libraries and are looking for something that's easy for staff to update (~100 staff users), and has some form of API such that other sites (like the Med or Law school library sites), can access it so they don't have to update hours in multiple places. It needs to include amenities info, café hours, etc. Preferably staff could set default hours and then override them when hours vary. Are there any libraries doing this that are using open-source software, and like what they have? (If you have a locally built system and like what you have, I'm interested in that too). Many thanks, Corinna Corinna Baksik Systems Librarian Library Technology Services Harvard University 90 Mt. Auburn St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617.495.3724 -- Shaun D. Ellis Digital Library Interface Developer Firestone Library, Princeton University voice: 609.258.1698 | sha...@princeton.edu
