Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]

2003-08-27 Thread Tetsuya Kitahata

On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:49:41 +0200
Henning Schmiedehausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Which should be documented somewhere (or I was too blind to see it).
 
   Regards
   Henning

Ditto: (+1)

Also, I think [EMAIL PROTECTED] can use the same script,
if the moderators of [EMAIL PROTECTED] are now getting
many spam mails, coming to this address.
(Of course, I mean all the announce(ments)@tlp.apache.org lists)

Things should be simpler.:) .. Apache.org is complicated enough.

-- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

P.S. One suggestion, Hennings. Turbine-2.3-RC2 released -
Jakarta Turbine-2.3-RC2 released or Apache Turbine-2.3-RC2 released
from next announcement.

 On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 14:00, David Reid wrote:
  And a very sensible one at that!
  
  :)
  
  david
  
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  Subject: Re: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org
  [Fwd:Returnedpost for [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  
   David Reid wrote:
As one of the moderators for announce@apache.org I'd have happily
  moderated
through your announcement...
  
   unless something has been changed, only mail originating from an
  @apache.org
   address will even reach the announce@apache.org moderation queue.  all
  other
   sources will get silently dropped.  an anti-spam measure.
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Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]

2003-08-27 Thread Henning Schmiedehausen
Hi,

I simply stole^Wborrowed the layout from Martins' Torque announcement. I
will put Jakarta Turbine in for the final release. Thanks for the
suggestion.

Regards
Henning

On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 02:56, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
 On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:49:41 +0200
 Henning Schmiedehausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Which should be documented somewhere (or I was too blind to see it).
  
  Regards
  Henning
 
 Ditto: (+1)
 
 Also, I think [EMAIL PROTECTED] can use the same script,
 if the moderators of [EMAIL PROTECTED] are now getting
 many spam mails, coming to this address.
 (Of course, I mean all the announce(ments)@tlp.apache.org lists)
 
 Things should be simpler.:) .. Apache.org is complicated enough.
 
 -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
 
 P.S. One suggestion, Hennings. Turbine-2.3-RC2 released -
 Jakarta Turbine-2.3-RC2 released or Apache Turbine-2.3-RC2 released
 from next announcement.
 
  On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 14:00, David Reid wrote:
   And a very sensible one at that!
   
   :)
   
   david
   
   - Original Message - 
   From: Rodent of Unusual Size [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: community@apache.org
   Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 12:53 PM
   Subject: Re: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org
   [Fwd:Returnedpost for [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
   
David Reid wrote:
 As one of the moderators for announce@apache.org I'd have happily
   moderated
 through your announcement...
   
unless something has been changed, only mail originating from an
   @apache.org
address will even reach the announce@apache.org moderation queue.  all
   other
sources will get silently dropped.  an anti-spam measure.
-- 
#ken P-)}
   
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Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]

2003-08-26 Thread David Reid
As one of the moderators for announce@apache.org I'd have happily moderated
through your announcement...

If you wish to stick to using the jakarta address them I don't mind and it
may reach more of your intended audience - just curious :)

david

- Original Message - 
From: Henning Schmiedehausen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: community@apache.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org
[Fwd:Returnedpost for [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 10:36, David Reid wrote:
  Any reason why you didn't send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Because I looked at

 http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail2.html#Announcement

 and got the intention that announcements@jakarta.apache.org is the right
 address for jakarta announcements.

 I did BTW sent it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject [NEWS],
 too as suggested on http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news.html but it got
 lost there, too.

 Regards
 Henning


 
  david
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Henning Schmiedehausen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: community@apache.org
  Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 3:07 PM
  Subject: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:
Returnedpost
  for [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
   Hi,
  
   who must I send this to if I want something to be put on the
   announcement list? This lingered for a week and then got returned by
the
   mailing list program. :-(
  
   Regards
   Henning
 
 
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Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]

2003-08-26 Thread Henning Schmiedehausen
As I said, I was just looking on the web pages. Maybe we should update
them.

Regards
Henning


On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 12:26, David Reid wrote:
 As one of the moderators for announce@apache.org I'd have happily moderated
 through your announcement...
 
 If you wish to stick to using the jakarta address them I don't mind and it
 may reach more of your intended audience - just curious :)
 
 david
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Henning Schmiedehausen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: community@apache.org
 Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:21 AM
 Subject: Re: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org
 [Fwd:Returnedpost for [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
  On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 10:36, David Reid wrote:
   Any reason why you didn't send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  Because I looked at
 
  http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail2.html#Announcement
 
  and got the intention that announcements@jakarta.apache.org is the right
  address for jakarta announcements.
 
  I did BTW sent it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject [NEWS],
  too as suggested on http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news.html but it got
  lost there, too.
 
  Regards
  Henning
 
 
  
   david
  
   - Original Message - 
   From: Henning Schmiedehausen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: community@apache.org
   Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 3:07 PM
   Subject: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:
 Returnedpost
   for [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  
Hi,
   
who must I send this to if I want something to be put on the
announcement list? This lingered for a week and then got returned by
 the
mailing list program. :-(
   
Regards
Henning
  
  
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Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]

2003-08-26 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
David Reid wrote:
 As one of the moderators for announce@apache.org I'd have happily moderated
 through your announcement...

unless something has been changed, only mail originating from an @apache.org
address will even reach the announce@apache.org moderation queue.  all other
sources will get silently dropped.  an anti-spam measure.
-- 
#kenP-)}

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Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]

2003-08-26 Thread Tetsuya Kitahata

On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 07:53:50 -0400
Rodent of Unusual Size [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 David Reid wrote:
  As one of the moderators for announce@apache.org I'd have happily moderated
  through your announcement...
 
 unless something has been changed, only mail originating from an
 @apache.org address will even reach the announce@apache.org moderation
 queue.  all other sources will get silently dropped.  an anti-spam
 measure.

Humhum. I got it! bin/ezmlm-filter-from-apache.. right?

It only checks the From:  header line, however, it would be
effective to reject most of the spam mails as you said.

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Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]

2003-08-26 Thread Thom May
* Tetsuya Kitahata ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
 
 Wait, wait.
 
 If I remember correctly, Brian modified the settings of each
 announce(ments)@tlp.apache.org mailing lists to forward to
 announce@apache.org automatically... Right!?
 
wrong.
-Thom

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Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]

2003-08-26 Thread David Reid
And a very sensible one at that!

:)

david

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To: community@apache.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org
[Fwd:Returnedpost for [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 David Reid wrote:
  As one of the moderators for announce@apache.org I'd have happily
moderated
  through your announcement...

 unless something has been changed, only mail originating from an
@apache.org
 address will even reach the announce@apache.org moderation queue.  all
other
 sources will get silently dropped.  an anti-spam measure.
 -- 
 #ken P-)}

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Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]

2003-08-26 Thread Henning Schmiedehausen
Which should be documented somewhere (or I was too blind to see it).

Regards
Henning


On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 14:00, David Reid wrote:
 And a very sensible one at that!
 
 :)
 
 david
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Rodent of Unusual Size [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: community@apache.org
 Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 12:53 PM
 Subject: Re: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org
 [Fwd:Returnedpost for [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
  David Reid wrote:
   As one of the moderators for announce@apache.org I'd have happily
 moderated
   through your announcement...
 
  unless something has been changed, only mail originating from an
 @apache.org
  address will even reach the announce@apache.org moderation queue.  all
 other
  sources will get silently dropped.  an anti-spam measure.
  -- 
  #ken P-)}
 
  Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini  http://Golux.Com/coar/
  Author, developer, opinionist  http://Apache-Server.Com/
 
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Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]

2003-08-26 Thread Henning Schmiedehausen
Hi,

now I know a reason:

--- cut ---
Hi. This is the qmail-send program at apache.org.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following
addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.

announce@apache.org:
Must be sent from an @apache.org address.
--- cut ---

This isn't nice. :-(

Regards
Henning




On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 12:26, David Reid wrote:
 As one of the moderators for announce@apache.org I'd have happily moderated
 through your announcement...
 
 If you wish to stick to using the jakarta address them I don't mind and it
 may reach more of your intended audience - just curious :)
 
 david
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Henning Schmiedehausen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: community@apache.org
 Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:21 AM
 Subject: Re: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org
 [Fwd:Returnedpost for [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
  On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 10:36, David Reid wrote:
   Any reason why you didn't send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  Because I looked at
 
  http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail2.html#Announcement
 
  and got the intention that announcements@jakarta.apache.org is the right
  address for jakarta announcements.
 
  I did BTW sent it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject [NEWS],
  too as suggested on http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news.html but it got
  lost there, too.
 
  Regards
  Henning
 
 
  
   david
  
   - Original Message - 
   From: Henning Schmiedehausen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: community@apache.org
   Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 3:07 PM
   Subject: No answer from announcements@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:
 Returnedpost
   for [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  
Hi,
   
who must I send this to if I want something to be put on the
announcement list? This lingered for a week and then got returned by
 the
mailing list program. :-(
   
Regards
Henning
  
  
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Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]

2003-08-26 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:
 Hi,
 
 now I know a reason:
 
 --- cut ---
 Hi. This is the qmail-send program at apache.org.
 I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following
 addresses.
 This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
 
 announce@apache.org:
 Must be sent from an @apache.org address.
 --- cut ---
 
 This isn't nice. :-(

henning, that's a judgement made from too little information.
if you were responsible for assessing hundreds of daily messages
to that address to see which should be moderated, you would
most likely have a different opinion.  changing your return address
to an @apache.org one long enough to send a message is a lot
less strenuous for the community than allowing postings to it
from just anywhere and imposing the additional burden on the
moderators.  who are volunteers, by the way.

and now that this has been discussed on a publicly archived list,
it will probably have to made even more stringent, such as
requiring the mail be sent from your account on one of the asf
machines or something.
-- 
#kenP-)}

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Re: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]

2003-08-26 Thread Brian Behlendorf
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
 If I remember correctly, Brian modified the settings of each
 announce(ments)@tlp.apache.org mailing lists to forward to
 announce@apache.org automatically... Right!?

Nope, in fact I was arguing against it, unless someone crafts a message to
let the subscribers of announce@apache.org be aware of such a
configuration, so they can decide which list to subscribe to.  But even
then, ezmlm does not like having one mailing list send to another (as an
anti-mail-loop mechanism).

Brian


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RE: No answer from announceme...@jakarta.apache.org [Fwd:Returnedpost for announceme...@jakarta.apache.org]

2003-08-26 Thread Noel J. Bergman
 If I remember correctly, Brian modified the settings of each
 announce(ments)@tlp.apache.org mailing lists to forward to
 announce@apache.org automatically... Right!?

It was discussed, but I don't believe that it was effected.  Brian had some
concerns.  See the community@ archives.

--- Noel


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