Re: [Computer-go] Tencent World AI Weiqi Competition will be held in June 23 and 24
I think you meant "cross my fingers". On Jun 21, 2018 3:28 PM, Ingo Althöfer <3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de> wrote: Dear Hiroshi, thank you for spreading the news. Please, keep us informed about the results on this weekend. (As sign of thankyou I will press my thumbs for the Japanese soccer team in the Wordchampionships.) Cheers, Ingo. > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. Juni 2018 um 20:33 Uhr > Von: "Hiroshi Yamashita" > An: computer-go@computer-go.org > Betreff: [Computer-go] Tencent World AI Weiqi Competition will be held in > June 23 and 24 > > Hi, > > Tencent World AI Weiqi Competition will be held in June 23 and 24. > > 11 programs will play. > 4 from China. Fine Art, and so on. > 3 from Japan. AQ, Raynz, Aya. > 2 from Korea. DolBaram, Baduki. > 1 from Belgium. Leela Zero > 1 from America. ELF OpenGo > > Top 8 programs will play round-robin on FoxGo next month. > Top 4 programs will play final late July. > > Tencent World AI Weiqi Competition (in Chinese) > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__sports.sina.com.cn_go_2018-2D06-2D21_doc-2Dihefphqk9706598.shtml=DwIGaQ=Oo8bPJf7k7r_cPTz1JF7vEiFxvFRfQtp-j14fFwh71U=i0hg-cKH69CA5MsdosvezQ=xlE9iMUT40W1RtFGp0L66iv4nYBpPa8tCjJcOwqBMvY=SV4KgPV8MFdiKd2Dc8oS4i3PVA8RHJXFOEKNsmParGY= > 2018 Tencent World AI Weiqi Competition (in Chinese) > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__txwq.qq.com_act_game_index.html=DwIGaQ=Oo8bPJf7k7r_cPTz1JF7vEiFxvFRfQtp-j14fFwh71U=i0hg-cKH69CA5MsdosvezQ=xlE9iMUT40W1RtFGp0L66iv4nYBpPa8tCjJcOwqBMvY=s_LQxj3aRBOVxMtnNg5Oz6BN9CcB2MuBHjCjFIoEA44= > Rule > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__weiqi.qq.com_special_109.html=DwIGaQ=Oo8bPJf7k7r_cPTz1JF7vEiFxvFRfQtp-j14fFwh71U=i0hg-cKH69CA5MsdosvezQ=xlE9iMUT40W1RtFGp0L66iv4nYBpPa8tCjJcOwqBMvY=4VExtw43V9EZ0RybrdyXUg7QXsj79aaNejCyC8SGcD8= > > Thanks, > Hiroshi Yamashita > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__computer-2Dgo.org_mailman_listinfo_computer-2Dgo=DwIGaQ=Oo8bPJf7k7r_cPTz1JF7vEiFxvFRfQtp-j14fFwh71U=i0hg-cKH69CA5MsdosvezQ=xlE9iMUT40W1RtFGp0L66iv4nYBpPa8tCjJcOwqBMvY=5fZ3ly8uNlEtZ2xF04pacmQNc7LhP8hazit9u_4Q1lE= ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__computer-2Dgo.org_mailman_listinfo_computer-2Dgo=DwIGaQ=Oo8bPJf7k7r_cPTz1JF7vEiFxvFRfQtp-j14fFwh71U=i0hg-cKH69CA5MsdosvezQ=xlE9iMUT40W1RtFGp0L66iv4nYBpPa8tCjJcOwqBMvY=5fZ3ly8uNlEtZ2xF04pacmQNc7LhP8hazit9u_4Q1lE= ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Paper “Complexity of Go” by Robson
On 21/06/18 18:45, Álvaro Begué wrote: > I am here for the discussions about computer go, > not gender politics. Absolutely. Neither I am. I subscribed to ask help to finding a paper about Go (the origin of this thread), that Marcel and Andreis kindly helped me with, not to get misandrist propaganda. ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Paper “Complexity of Go” by Robson
On 21/06/18 18:42, uurtamo wrote: > Re: trolling Apparently reminding people about the established meaning of words is “““trolling””” these days. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Paper “Complexity of Go” by Robson
Did not intend to go to the whole group On Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 5:01 PM uurtamo wrote: > So deep down I think that first capture isn't that hard. > > I also think that what makes real go that hard is ko, but you've shown > that it's equivalent to ladder, which frankly baffles me. I'd love to > understand that. > > You've done great combinatorics work and great small scale work. > > What's your thinking about interesting problems forward? > > s. > > On Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 4:52 PM John Tromp wrote: > >> >>> Direct link to image: http://tromp.github.io/img/WO5lives.png >> >> Might be useful for go event organizers in need of arrow signs... >> >> regards, >> -John >> ___ >> Computer-go mailing list >> Computer-go@computer-go.org >> http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > > ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Paper “Complexity of Go” by Robson
So deep down I think that first capture isn't that hard. I also think that what makes real go that hard is ko, but you've shown that it's equivalent to ladder, which frankly baffles me. I'd love to understand that. You've done great combinatorics work and great small scale work. What's your thinking about interesting problems forward? s. On Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 4:52 PM John Tromp wrote: > >>> Direct link to image: http://tromp.github.io/img/WO5lives.png > > Might be useful for go event organizers in need of arrow signs... > > regards, > -John > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Paper “Complexity of Go” by Robson
Thanks for sharing your opinion. - But I don't understand how it is related to the game of Go or computer programs. Maybe you accidentally emailed the wrong list? Best regards, Sighris On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 4:37 PM Mario Xerxes Castelán Castro < marioxcc...@yandex.com> wrote: > “He” is the genetic singular pronoun in English. If anybody feels > excluded, is because he wants to feel excluded or is intentionally > playing the ignorant card. What happen is that the social justice > warrior-dominated United States is the source of many attempts to > redefine reality when it goes against the ultraliberal agenda. > > ___ > Computer-go mailing list ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Paper “Complexity of Go” by Robson
...or you could just not get your knickers in a twist over somebody's pronoun selection. I am here for the discussions about computer go, not gender politics. On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 6:24 PM, Mario Xerxes Castelán Castro wrote: > “He” is the genetic singular pronoun in English. If anybody feels > excluded, is because he wants to feel excluded or is intentionally > playing the ignorant card. What happen is that the social justice > warrior-dominated United States is the source of many attempts to > redefine reality when it goes against the ultraliberal agenda. > > > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Paper “Complexity of Go” by Robson
Re: trolling On Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 4:37 PM Mario Xerxes Castelán Castro < marioxcc...@yandex.com> wrote: > “He” is the genetic singular pronoun in English. If anybody feels > excluded, is because he wants to feel excluded or is intentionally > playing the ignorant card. What happen is that the social justice > warrior-dominated United States is the source of many attempts to > redefine reality when it goes against the ultraliberal agenda. > > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Paper “Complexity of Go” by Robson
>>> Direct link to image: http://tromp.github.io/img/WO5lives.png Might be useful for go event organizers in need of arrow signs... regards, -John ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Paper “Complexity of Go” by Robson
“He” is the genetic singular pronoun in English. If anybody feels excluded, is because he wants to feel excluded or is intentionally playing the ignorant card. What happen is that the social justice warrior-dominated United States is the source of many attempts to redefine reality when it goes against the ultraliberal agenda. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Paper “Complexity of Go” by Robson
>> I have attempted to reduce this y || (x && z) problem to the minimum >> number of stones >> at the bottom of my Go page http://tromp.github.io/go.html, which also >> contains an sgf link. >> Direct link to image: http://tromp.github.io/img/WO5lives.png > > Unfortunately, my ko gadgets don't work properly. > Black can connect 2 of her stones (eg. at P12) to break the ko for White. > Back to the drawing board... Hopefully fixed now. Please let me know if you find any problems with the optimizations... regards, -John ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Paper “Complexity of Go” by Robson
Without discouraging speech of any kind, I'd like to suggest that the prior statement was of the form "axe to grind" or "mild trolling". s. On Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 1:45 PM Dan Schmidt wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 1:41 PM, Mario Xerxes Castelán Castro < > marioxcc...@yandex.com> wrote: > > Why the misandry? In English, “he” serves for both neutral and male >> gender, but “she” always excludes men. >> > > Standards change. I could give examples of constructions that used to be > considered polite but are no longer, but by definition they wouldn't be > polite... > > I'm not going to get into an argument about usage (and I hope no one else > here is either, as that is not the subject of this mailing list), so this > will be my only reply on the subject, but here is one starting point if you > are interested in the topic, as you seem to be: > https://www.apaonline.org/page/nonsexist (the American Philosophical > Association's "Guidelines for Non-Sexist Use Of Language"). Searching for > "gender-fair language" on the internet will turn up plenty of other > resources. > > Dan > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Paper “Complexity of Go” by Robson
On Thu, Jun 21st, Dan Schmidt wrote: ... > > Standards change... > Nothing to complex there... > ... here is one starting point if you are interested in the topic, as you > seem to be: https://www.apaonline.org/page/nonsexist (the American > Philosophical Association's "Guidelines for Non-Sexist Use Of Language"). > Searching for "gender-fair language" on the internet will turn up plenty of > other resources. > > Dan > > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > > +1 Thanks, Sighris ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Tencent World AI Weiqi Competition will be held in June 23 and 24
Dear Hiroshi, thank you for spreading the news. Please, keep us informed about the results on this weekend. (As sign of thankyou I will press my thumbs for the Japanese soccer team in the Wordchampionships.) Cheers, Ingo. > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. Juni 2018 um 20:33 Uhr > Von: "Hiroshi Yamashita" > An: computer-go@computer-go.org > Betreff: [Computer-go] Tencent World AI Weiqi Competition will be held in > June 23 and 24 > > Hi, > > Tencent World AI Weiqi Competition will be held in June 23 and 24. > > 11 programs will play. > 4 from China. Fine Art, and so on. > 3 from Japan. AQ, Raynz, Aya. > 2 from Korea. DolBaram, Baduki. > 1 from Belgium. Leela Zero > 1 from America. ELF OpenGo > > Top 8 programs will play round-robin on FoxGo next month. > Top 4 programs will play final late July. > > Tencent World AI Weiqi Competition (in Chinese) > http://sports.sina.com.cn/go/2018-06-21/doc-ihefphqk9706598.shtml > 2018 Tencent World AI Weiqi Competition (in Chinese) > https://txwq.qq.com/act/game/index.html > Rule > http://weiqi.qq.com/special/109.html > > Thanks, > Hiroshi Yamashita > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Paper “Complexity of Go” by Robson
On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 1:41 PM, Mario Xerxes Castelán Castro < marioxcc...@yandex.com> wrote: Why the misandry? In English, “he” serves for both neutral and male > gender, but “she” always excludes men. > Standards change. I could give examples of constructions that used to be considered polite but are no longer, but by definition they wouldn't be polite... I'm not going to get into an argument about usage (and I hope no one else here is either, as that is not the subject of this mailing list), so this will be my only reply on the subject, but here is one starting point if you are interested in the topic, as you seem to be: https://www.apaonline.org/page/nonsexist (the American Philosophical Association's "Guidelines for Non-Sexist Use Of Language"). Searching for "gender-fair language" on the internet will turn up plenty of other resources. Dan ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] Tencent World AI Weiqi Competition will be held in June 23 and 24
Hi, Tencent World AI Weiqi Competition will be held in June 23 and 24. 11 programs will play. 4 from China. Fine Art, and so on. 3 from Japan. AQ, Raynz, Aya. 2 from Korea. DolBaram, Baduki. 1 from Belgium. Leela Zero 1 from America. ELF OpenGo Top 8 programs will play round-robin on FoxGo next month. Top 4 programs will play final late July. Tencent World AI Weiqi Competition (in Chinese) http://sports.sina.com.cn/go/2018-06-21/doc-ihefphqk9706598.shtml 2018 Tencent World AI Weiqi Competition (in Chinese) https://txwq.qq.com/act/game/index.html Rule http://weiqi.qq.com/special/109.html Thanks, Hiroshi Yamashita ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Paper “Complexity of Go” by Robson
On 21/06/18 11:51, John Tromp wrote: > Unfortunately, my ko gadgets don't work properly. > Black can connect 2 of her stones (eg. at P12) to break the ko for White. > Back to the drawing board... Why the misandry? In English, “he” serves for both neutral and male gender, but “she” always excludes men. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Paper “Complexity of Go” by Robson
> I have attempted to reduce this y || (x && z) problem to the minimum > number of stones > at the bottom of my Go page http://tromp.github.io/go.html, which also > contains an sgf link. > Direct link to image: http://tromp.github.io/img/WO5lives.png Unfortunately, my ko gadgets don't work properly. Black can connect 2 of her stones (eg. at P12) to break the ko for White. Back to the drawing board... regards, -John ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Paper “Complexity of Go” by Robson
> If we call the three kos x,y,z from top to bottom, then a succesfull > White ladder amounts to > (x || y) && (y || z). Which is equivalent to y || (x && z). > So with y currently false, and White unable to flip it, White should > take the bottom ko to make z true. > Black can the make x false, but that allows White to make y true, > after which she can successfully escape > in a ladder. I have attempted to reduce this y || (x && z) problem to the minimum number of stones at the bottom of my Go page http://tromp.github.io/go.html, which also contains an sgf link. Direct link to image: http://tromp.github.io/img/WO5lives.png regards, -John ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
