Re: [Computer-go] TAAI details?
Hi! On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 11:32:24AM +0900, Hideki Kato wrote: BTW, the official announce of Denseisen has been released. http://entcog.c.ooco.jp/entcog/densei/ (in J) and a pdf file for press. http://entcog.c.ooco.jp/entcog/densei/Release20121120.pdf (in J) Denseisen is the name of a serie of (handicap) games between professional players and computer players under the contract between Nihon Ki-in (Ichigaya, Tokyo) and UEC (The University of Electro-Communications, Chofu, Tokyo). The contract is valid for five years. Note that Denseisen is an offical serie. #For Denseisen. The den, sei and sen mean electric or electronic, saint and match, respectively. Similar to well-known Kiseisen, in which Kisei means a saint of Go (or Shogi) where saint suggests almost the God level. Historically, there is a word Kensei where ken and sei mean sword and saint. The title Kensei is used for the very excellent swordmen for long years in Japan and is still well known. Hence, Densei is created as the title for very excellent computer Go players. The first match will be held on March 20th, 2013 (a Spring holiday) at UEC. Two games are planned. The professional player for both is Shuho Ishida 24th Hon'inbo (Yoshio Ishida 9p). The computer players are the 1st and 2nd places of the Sixth UEC Cup, which will be held on March 16th and 17th, 2013. Handicaps will be studied after the UEC Cup. Nihon Ki-in: http://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/index-e.htm UEC: http://www.uec.ac.jp/eng/ That is mighty awesome, thank you so much for sharing this news! Participation in UEC Cup seems suddenly to be something to consider much more seriously! If I read Google Translate output right, there is also prize 100,000 and 200,000 yen for the matches; is this something the winner of the Densei match receives, or is placement in the UEC Cup enough (i.e. just qualifying for the Densei match)? This could at least cover any travel expenses, and seems to be after long time first open computer Go match with significant financial reward. P.S.: In UEC cup, do you bring the whole cluster in the playing room, or does Zen run only on a single computer? :-) Petr Pasky Baudis ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] TAAI details?
Hi Pasky, The winners of Denseisen (professionals or the authors) will get the prize money: 100,000 or 200,000 yen for the winner of the first or second game (Ishida 9p versus the second or first place program of UEC Cup), respectively. #Since 2009 I brought my laptop to the venue and connected to Zen (actually a pc cluster at my room) through the Internet. Oversea entrants also use remote connections. Hideki Petr Baudis: 20121122232017.gg7...@machine.or.cz: Hi! On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 11:32:24AM +0900, Hideki Kato wrote: BTW, the official announce of Denseisen has been released. http://entcog.c.ooco.jp/entcog/densei/ (in J) and a pdf file for press. http://entcog.c.ooco.jp/entcog/densei/Release20121120.pdf (in J) Denseisen is the name of a serie of (handicap) games between professional players and computer players under the contract between Nihon Ki-in (Ichigaya, Tokyo) and UEC (The University of Electro-Communications, Chofu, Tokyo). The contract is valid for five years. Note that Denseisen is an offical serie. #For Denseisen. The den, sei and sen mean electric or electronic, saint and match, respectively. Similar to well-known Kiseisen, in which Kisei means a saint of Go (or Shogi) where saint suggests almost the God level. Historically, there is a word Kensei where ken and sei mean sword and saint. The title Kensei is used for the very excellent swordmen for long years in Japan and is still well known. Hence, Densei is created as the title for very excellent computer Go players. The first match will be held on March 20th, 2013 (a Spring holiday) at UEC. Two games are planned. The professional player for both is Shuho Ishida 24th Hon'inbo (Yoshio Ishida 9p). The computer players are the 1st and 2nd places of the Sixth UEC Cup, which will be held on March 16th and 17th, 2013. Handicaps will be studied after the UEC Cup. Nihon Ki-in: http://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/index-e.htm UEC: http://www.uec.ac.jp/eng/ That is mighty awesome, thank you so much for sharing this news! Participation in UEC Cup seems suddenly to be something to consider much more seriously! If I read Google Translate output right, there is also prize 100,000 and 200,000 yen for the matches; is this something the winner of the Densei match receives, or is placement in the UEC Cup enough (i.e. just qualifying for the Densei match)? This could at least cover any travel expenses, and seems to be after long time first open computer Go match with significant financial reward. P.S.: In UEC cup, do you bring the whole cluster in the playing room, or does Zen run only on a single computer? :-) Petr Pasky Baudis ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go -- Hideki Kato mailto:hideki_ka...@ybb.ne.jp ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] TAAI details?
Many Faces was running on a 16 core Xeon (AWS Cluster Compute 8x extra large), using 16 threads, 48 GB of memory. It started well in both handicap games, then fell apart in the endgame. In the main 19x19 tournament, ManyFaces beat Zen once. David -Original Message- From: computer-go-boun...@dvandva.org [mailto:computer-go- boun...@dvandva.org] On Behalf Of Ingo Althöfer Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 10:43 AM To: computer-go@dvandva.org Subject: [Computer-go] TAAI details? Hello, during the TAAI 2012 conference several exhibition games between pro players and top bots were played. Here seem to be the sgf of the games on 19x19: Zen - two games won with handicap 4 (against 9p Chun-Hsun Chou) http://www.gokgs.com/gameArchives.jsp?user=taai1 Perhaps Zen should get some shot with handicap 3 in next year. ManyFaces - one game lost with handicap 4 and one lost with handicap 5 http://www.gokgs.com/gameArchives.jsp?user=taai2 Aya - one game lost with handicap 4, one game one (on time) with handicap 5 http://www.gokgs.com/gameArchives.jsp?user=taai3 Can the programmers please give some detail information? Thanks in advance, Ingo. PS-1. It seems that the time setting (45 min sudden death) can lead to desasters ... Perhaps for future events some (mini) byoyomi might be a good solution. PS-2. Nick Wedds list also shows some forthcoming events. http://www.computer-go.info/h-c/index.html ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] TAAI details?
That's my impression too. It feels like Zen is slacking his way to the 4 stone wins. 3 stones will be a lot more interesting imo, as we will probably get to see some of the famous zen attacks. It's probably not a good idea to try to recruit well known players for the first 3 stone games. Takemiya must have felt slightly duped when he was drawn into his 5 stone and 4 stones losses. Ofcourse it was great publicity for Zen to beat Takemiya, but in the future Zen should make it safe to lose for famous players, by first vanquishing young pros and/or inseis. Stefan ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] TAAI details?
Hi, Aya was running on 10 machines, each has 12 cores @3.3GHz(10x12 =120 cores). I borrowed it from The University of Electro-Communications. Cluster is Root Parallelization with summing up root results each 0.5 sec. Aya uses GTP(Go Text Protocol) to communicate another machines. I tested this cluster as AyaMC6 on KGS. But it got only 1d or 2d. AyaMC5 (4 cores) has 2d. I think my method may be something wrong. Regards, Hiroshi Yamashita - Original Message - From: Ingo Althöfer 3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de To: computer-go@dvandva.org Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 3:43 AM Subject: [Computer-go] TAAI details? Hello, during the TAAI 2012 conference several exhibition games between pro players and top bots were played. Here seem to be the sgf of the games on 19x19: Zen - two games won with handicap 4 (against 9p Chun-Hsun Chou) http://www.gokgs.com/gameArchives.jsp?user=taai1 Perhaps Zen should get some shot with handicap 3 in next year. ManyFaces - one game lost with handicap 4 and one lost with handicap 5 http://www.gokgs.com/gameArchives.jsp?user=taai2 Aya - one game lost with handicap 4, one game one (on time) with handicap 5 http://www.gokgs.com/gameArchives.jsp?user=taai3 Can the programmers please give some detail information? Thanks in advance, Ingo. PS-1. It seems that the time setting (45 min sudden death) can lead to desasters ... Perhaps for future events some (mini) byoyomi might be a good solution. PS-2. Nick Wedds list also shows some forthcoming events. http://www.computer-go.info/h-c/index.html ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] TAAI details?
Hi! On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 08:03:38PM +0900, Hiroshi Yamashita wrote: Aya was running on 10 machines, each has 12 cores @3.3GHz(10x12 =120 cores). I borrowed it from The University of Electro-Communications. Cluster is Root Parallelization with summing up root results each 0.5 sec. Aya uses GTP(Go Text Protocol) to communicate another machines. I tested this cluster as AyaMC6 on KGS. But it got only 1d or 2d. AyaMC5 (4 cores) has 2d. I think my method may be something wrong. Have you looked at Pachi's usage of virtual wins and virtual losses? Does using that make a difference for you? Best, Petr Pasky Baudis ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] TAAI details?
Dear Ingo, Zen's settings are nothing special. Zen19S these days runs on a cluster of four desktop computers, a dual Intel Xeon X5680, Intel i7 3930K, Intel i7 980X and Intel Xeon W3680, all run at 4 GHz. The cluster paralellization code has been, though, improved a little since the match vs Takemiya 9p in March. BTW, the official announce of Denseisen has been released. http://entcog.c.ooco.jp/entcog/densei/ (in J) and a pdf file for press. http://entcog.c.ooco.jp/entcog/densei/Release20121120.pdf (in J) Denseisen is the name of a serie of (handicap) games between professional players and computer players under the contract between Nihon Ki-in (Ichigaya, Tokyo) and UEC (The University of Electro-Communications, Chofu, Tokyo). The contract is valid for five years. Note that Denseisen is an offical serie. #For Denseisen. The den, sei and sen mean electric or electronic, saint and match, respectively. Similar to well-known Kiseisen, in which Kisei means a saint of Go (or Shogi) where saint suggests almost the God level. Historically, there is a word Kensei where ken and sei mean sword and saint. The title Kensei is used for the very excellent swordmen for long years in Japan and is still well known. Hence, Densei is created as the title for very excellent computer Go players. The first match will be held on March 20th, 2013 (a Spring holiday) at UEC. Two games are planned. The professional player for both is Shuho Ishida 24th Hon'inbo (Yoshio Ishida 9p). The computer players are the 1st and 2nd places of the Sixth UEC Cup, which will be held on March 16th and 17th, 2013. Handicaps will be studied after the UEC Cup. Nihon Ki-in: http://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/index-e.htm UEC: http://www.uec.ac.jp/eng/ The latest info of the comming events this week: The 9x9 match (six no-handicap games between three professinals and Zen) on Nov 25th will be broadcast on Niconico movie (http://live.nicov ideo.jp/watch/lv115455271 (in J)). The first game will start at 10:20 AM JST (UTC+0900). http://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/news/2012/11/_2_2.html (in J) http://entcog.c.ooco.jp/entcog/event/event20121125.html (in J) Also, there will be a professional (Ha, Yongil 5p in Kansai Ki-in; 4 handicap) vs Zen game at Nov 23rd (a holyday for workers) on KGS, as an event at Neyagawa Shogi and Igo Festval. I don't know the detailed schedule but the reharsal will start at 1 PM JST (UTC+0900) on KGS. http://www.igoshogineyagawa.org/ (in J) Ha 5p: http://kansaikiin.jp/profile/cgi/profile.cgi?id=hayonniru (in J) Best, Hideki Ingo Althöfer: 20121120184313.167...@gmx.net: Hello, during the TAAI 2012 conference several exhibition games between pro players and top bots were played. Here seem to be the sgf of the games on 19x19: Zen - two games won with handicap 4 (against 9p Chun-Hsun Chou) http://www.gokgs.com/gameArchives.jsp?user=taai1 Perhaps Zen should get some shot with handicap 3 in next year. ManyFaces - one game lost with handicap 4 and one lost with handicap 5 http://www.gokgs.com/gameArchives.jsp?user=taai2 Aya - one game lost with handicap 4, one game one (on time) with handicap 5 http://www.gokgs.com/gameArchives.jsp?user=taai3 Can the programmers please give some detail information? Thanks in advance, Ingo. PS-1. It seems that the time setting (45 min sudden death) can lead to desasters ... Perhaps for future events some (mini) byoyomi might be a good solution. PS-2. Nick Wedds list also shows some forthcoming events. http://www.computer-go.info/h-c/index.html ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go -- Hideki Kato mailto:hideki_ka...@ybb.ne.jp ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] TAAI details?
Hi, Have you looked at Pachi's usage of virtual wins and virtual losses? I had read your paper. That was useful. Thanks. http://pasky.or.cz/go/pachi-tr.pdf I use VirtualLoss N=10 on single machine. I have not tried VirtualWin. I'll try. Winrate vs VirtualLoss N=1 Winrate N 0.457 0 0.532 2 0.494 3 0.544 4 0.538 5 0.536 6 0.550 8 0.559 10 0.549 11 0.556 12 0.510 20 0.536 30 0.562 40 0.553 100 (1sec/move, 4 threads, 9x9, 1000 games selfplay.) Regards, Hiroshi Yamashita - Original Message - From: Petr Baudis pa...@ucw.cz To: computer-go@dvandva.org Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [Computer-go] TAAI details? Hi! On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 08:03:38PM +0900, Hiroshi Yamashita wrote: Aya was running on 10 machines, each has 12 cores @3.3GHz(10x12 =120 cores). I borrowed it from The University of Electro-Communications. Cluster is Root Parallelization with summing up root results each 0.5 sec. Aya uses GTP(Go Text Protocol) to communicate another machines. I tested this cluster as AyaMC6 on KGS. But it got only 1d or 2d. AyaMC5 (4 cores) has 2d. I think my method may be something wrong. Have you looked at Pachi's usage of virtual wins and virtual losses? Does using that make a difference for you? Best, Petr Pasky Baudis ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@dvandva.org http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
