[CTRL] Globulisation
-Caveat Lector- From http://www.antiwar.com/szamuely/pf/p-sz110300.html }}Begin Decline of The West by George Szamuely Antiwar.com November 3, 2000 Washington's Nightmare: The Rise of Europe Globalization is not going to happen. Borders are not about to come down; states are not about to disappear; US corporations are not about to take over the world. The moment of global US supremacy has come and gone. The world is dividing into geopolitical power blocs. The United States today confronts a superpower rival stretching across much of the Eurasian landmass the European Union allied with Russia. The European Union, once merely a trading bloc, then a single internal market has evolved into a political federation, aspiring to its own foreign and defense policy. Now it is threatening to make Russias vast energy and mineral resources its own. This is the stuff of Washington nightmares. Since the Second World War, successive US Administrations have championed the cause of European unity. They never took the idea terribly seriously, of course. The Europeans had been fighting one another for centuries. They were hardly likely to become peace-loving nations now. By European unity Americans meant little more than the creation of institutions to facilitate compliance with Washingtons commands. Rather than having a dozen capitals to call, the President of the United States could convey his wishes with a single phone call to Brussels. The European Economic Community as it was once known was seen as a mechanism to ensure that the Europeans paid their share of NATOs costs and did not wander off the reservation pursuing their own separate foreign policies. Throughout the Cold War, any assertion of European independence was met by US threats to withdraw from NATO. It was all a bluff, of course, and the Europeans knew it. The Americans were not stationing hundreds of thousands of troops on the European continent out of the kindness of their hearts. Washington had always regarded NATO as a mechanism to ensure US supremacy over potential economic and political rivals. Nonetheless, the Europeans went to some trouble to avoid antagonizing the United States by overt displays of independence. The Soviet Union was still around, and no one in Europe wanted to shell out large sums of money on defense. This suited Uncle Sam just fine, and thus was relationship of mutual dependence born. Europeans lived comfortably and America got to be "leader of the free world." The end of the Cold War inevitably brought all this to an end. There was now nothing to stop the Europeans from asserting their independence. While the US subsidy was still nice, there was no real need for it any longer. Europeans could make do with a much smaller defense budget, one that even they could afford. The economic rivalries that had been suppressed for the sake of Allied unity during the Cold War broke out into the open. As individual nation states the Europeans could not possibly challenge the Americans. They were too small and vulnerable for that. But as member states of the European Union they comprised a Great Power. I wrote last week about the multiplying trade disputes between the two continents. The World Trade Organization has served to increase the ferocity of these fights, since everyone ignores its rulings. Indeed, it can only be a matter of time now before either the United States or the European Union pulls out of the WTO altogether. The US claims that the EU gives preferential treatment to bananas imported from its former Caribbean colonies. The WTO ruled against the EU. The Europeans ignored the ruling; the US unilaterally imposed sanctions. The United States claims the EU unfairly restricts imports of hormone-treated beef. The WTO ruled against the EU; the EU ignored the ruling; the US imposed sanctions. The EU claims the US subsidizes the exports of its multinationals, through the creation of so-called "foreign sales corporations" paper companies that US exporters have been allowed to set up abroad for the purpose of claiming breaks their US tax bills. The WTO ruled in favor of the EU; the US ignored the ruling; the EU imposed sanctions. Now the US is claiming that the EU subsidizes Airbus Industrie, Boeings chief European rival. Recently, the United States proposed to the World Trade Organization that governments change the way they subsidize farmers. Under the plan, the current domestic subsidies system would be revised to eliminate those agricultural subsidies not directly linked to price and volume of output. There also would be a ceiling on the level of domestic subsidies based on a percentage of the countrys total agricultural production. The Europeans strongly object to this proposal. The EU pays farmers not to farm. On the other hand, the Europeans claim that the US also subsidizes its farmers through the
[CTRL] USDA urges processors to test meats themselves
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(In keeping with Bush's idea for Texas polluters to police themselves. We'll
see more of this nonsense if Bush is elected. Less government where it
count$!
BTW, it won't work so look for manditory irradiation to be proposed soon,
with only your $afety in mind, naturally. --SW)
USDA urges processors to test meats themselves
By PHILIP BRASHER, Associated Press
WASHINGTON (November 2, 2000 10:50 p.m. EST
http://www.nandotimes.com) - Meat processors that make hot dogs and
other precooked products are being encouraged by the government to do
their own testing for harmful bacteria rather than rely on federal inspectors
to do the monitoring.
Under a policy announced Thursday, the Agriculture Department said it will
stop doing routine microbiological tests in plants that have adequate
sampling programs of their own. USDA officials said they want to target
their testing on processors, usually smaller plants, that don't have adequate
monitoring programs.
The change will result in more testing being done industrywide, said
Thomas Billy, administrator of USDA's Food Safety and Inspection
Service.
"By following a strategy that encourages industry to test, there will be much
more product testing overall ... than FSIS could ever do on its own," he
said.
The tests, which look for pathogens such as Listeria monocytogenes and
salmonella, are designed to catch contamination in plants or flaws in their
sanitation systems.
"This is a step forward, because you're going to end up with substantially
more tests," said Carol Tucker Foreman, director of the Consumer
Federation of America's Food Policy Institute.
Processors have a powerful incentive to do the testing themselves: When
federal inspectors conduct the tests, all the meat in the lots being sampled
is typically kept out of distribution until the results come back, in case there
is a positive test result, industry officials said.
If the companies are doing the routine testing themselves, there would be
no need to hold the product for test results, but plants would still be
expected to issue a recall for products in which harmful bacteria are found,
USDA officials said.
The new testing policy will result in safer food, said Lloyd Hontz, director of
food inspection issues for the National Food Processors Association, a
trade group.
"Consumers are better protected with a policy like this which encourages
the industry to do its own testing," he said. "They can really look for spots or
points or places in their production operations that might be harboring
pathogens and find them and get rid of them."
Plants that already do some pathogen testing may be required to do it
more frequently if they want to be exempt from routine USDA monitoring,
Hontz said.
Processors that start their own testing program will have just as many
USDA inspectors on site as they do now, but they will have more time for
other jobs, such as checking plant records to verify that sanitation
procedures are being followed, agency officials said.
The new policy is part of a general strategy by the Clinton administration to
require the meat industry to take more responsibility for improving plant
sanitation and testing for pathogens. While some critics say that USDA has
gone too far, consumer advocacy groups have generally supported the
agency.
Ready-to-eat meat products are a major source of listeria-related illnesses.
Listeria is estimated to kill 500 Americans a year and sicken 2,000 more. It
causes flu-like symptoms in most healthy people, but it can be serious in
the young, old or weak. In pregnant women, the bacterium can cause
miscarriage or stillbirth even if the mother feels no symptoms.
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-Caveat Lector- RadTimes # 89 October, 2000 An informally produced compendium of vital irregularities. "We're living in rad times!" --- Contents: --- --Anti-Capitalist Youths Challenge IMF in Montreal --Protesters' message reaches economic meeting in Canada --Global Stench --The New Asterix --Ecuador asks U.S. for $160 mln in anti-drug aid Linked stories: *Fingerprint Security Gets Handier *Selling Votes or Peddling Lies? *In Search of Cyber Humanity --- Begin stories: --- Anti-Capitalist Youths Challenge IMF in Montreal Students, Cops Clash At Bankers' Summit By Josina Dunkel Montreal First in Seattle, then Washington, then Prague, now Montreal. Once again the youths of a major city clashed with the International Monetary Fund and the so-called free-trade forces. In a militant but mostly peaceful demonstration Oct. 23, hundreds of protesters expressed their anger at the Group of 20 conference scheduled to begin the following day in Montreal. The crowd--mostly students--chanted in French and English and danced to drums in front of the Sheraton Centre, site of the conference. A few students threw paint and eggs at the hotel, and a plate glass window was broken. According to the G-20 Web site, "In Sept. 1999 in Washington, D.C., the finance ministers of the Group of Seven (G-7) leading industrialized nations announced the creation of the Group of Twenty (G-20). This new international forum of finance ministers and central bank governors represents 19 countries, the European Union and the Bretton Woods Institutions (the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank)." The G-20 include both major imperialist powers and oppressed countries. They are: Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Britain, Canada, China, France, Germany, India, Indonesia, Italy, Japan, Mexico, Russia, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, South Korea, Turkey, the United States and the European Union. One protester told the Canadian Broadcasting Co. evening news, "The G-20, the IMF and their policymakers require violence. The very policies they implement are violent by nature. The fact that 19,000 children die each day in the Third World because of IMF restructuring policies--I think that is violent." Police provoked the protesters to lash out. They pushed the crowd back and chanted, "Move, move, move," to the menacing beat of their billy clubs smacking their shields. The cops were clearly prepared for the situation they created, having worn riot gear all afternoon. A Molotov cocktail was thrown at the cops, who responded with a gas that choked the young crowd. But the standoff wasn't over yet. Riot police, backed up by the cavalry, repeatedly charged into the crowd to move the protesters off the major street they were occupying. While the protesters would fall back, moments later they would surge forward to continue their action. Some pelted the cops with rocks and pieces of a fence they were dismantling. One cop was injured and seen limping away with the support of two other riot police. Two other cops were also reported injured. Several protesters were aided by medics, mostly for the effects of the gas. Thirty-nine were arrested. The demonstrators marched away, vowing to return the following day. Bigger, louder protests were expected at the conference opening. While the protest here was much smaller than those recently held in Seattle, Washington and Prague, there was a high degree of militancy. People expressed fierce opposition to the cruelties of the so-called free trade system being forced on the poor of the world by the United States, Canada and the other imperialist powers. Not surprisingly, Canadian Finance Minister Paul Martin, the conference chairperson, refused to come out of the hotel to meet with the protesters. Via Workers World News Service Reprinted from the Nov. 2, 2000 issue of Workers World newspaper --- Protesters' message reaches economic meeting in Canada October 25, 2000 MONTREAL (AP) -- After two days of demonstrations that deteriorated into ugly battles with police, some of the world economic leaders who gathered here insist they hear protesters' message and want to tackle the problems of globalization. Police pushed about 200 protesters away from the hotel where finance ministers and central bank governors from the Group of 20 were meeting Tuesday night. Seven demonstrators were arrested. Inside the downtown Sheraton Hotel, Canadian Finance Minister Paul Martin said he and others at the meeting, which convenes again Wednesday, shared the fears of some
Re: [CTRL] Bush Finally Admits DUI Arrest
-Caveat Lector- I remember that well, it was on the Nightly News on one of the major networks. And please, let's don't leave anyone out, as we've known for eight long years that Albert Gore isn't ready for prime time either. I still vividly remember video of AL GORE, visiting with William Jefferson Clinton, in 1992, at the Jefferson memorial, pointing up to the president's busts that lined the round office of the former founding father, and Big Al asking: "Who are these guys?" OH MY! eagle 1 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [Fwd: Fw: [toeslist] Fast Track Trade...]
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Subject: Fw: [toeslist] Fast Track Trade... Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 21:57:40 -0600 (CST) From: "Emilie F. Nichols" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: ? To: undisclosed-recipients:; -Original Message- From: Drusha L. Mayhue [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 6:25 PM Subject: [toeslist] Fast Track Trade... 1. Washington Trade Daily Tuesday, October 31, 2000 FTAA, Fast Track Will Top President Bushs Early Agenda 2. USA TODAY November 1, 2000 Candidates keep silent on trade Bush, Gore seem to want same things, but the issues are complex, unpopular *** 1) Washington Trade Daily Tuesday, October 31, 2000 FTAA, Fast Track Will Top President Bushs Early Agenda Completion of a hemispheric-wide free trade agreement will be a top priority for Gov. George W. Bush if he becomes President S unlike the Clinton/Gore Administration that has allowed the negotiations to slow to a crawl, an advisor to the Republican Presidential candidate said yesterday (WTD, 10/30/00). A Bush Administration would have its Latin America policy firmly in place within its first hundred days in office in time for the Summit of the Americas meeting of the hemisphere s leaders in Quebec City next April, according to Mr. Bush s chief trade advisor Robert Zoellick. This would include being well on the road toward winning Presidential fast track trade negotiating authority from Congress. Unless the other Free Trade Area of the Americas members know fast track is on its way, the United States will be effectively shut out of the next hemispheric summit, Mr. Zoellick told a forum sponsored by the Council on Foreign Relations. The Republican and Labor and the Environment Gov. Bush would be better able to gain fast track negotiating authority from Congress than his rival Vice President Gore because the governor will address the sticky questions of labor and environmental issues in a way that does not alienate either political party, Mr. Zoellick said. Candidate Bush has made clear that he favors addressing labor and environmental concerns as long as the issues do not become forms of protectionism. It was the Administration of Gov. Bush s father that originated the labor and environment side agreements in the North American Free Trade Agreement, Mr. Zoellick noted. Gov. Bush is more likely to win Congressional consensus for fast track negotiating authority because Republicans will be more comfortable if it is a Republican President linking labor and environmental issues to trade. Mr. Bush views the FTAA as critical to forging stronger strategic as well as economic ties with Latin America. The Clinton Administration has paid only sporadic attention to this hemisphere, especially in the last few years engaging in the region only when crises have forced their attention, the Bush advisor said. The United States must rebuild its credibility with Latin America and the best way to do that is by restoring the momentum for free trade. That will send a clear signal to all of Latin America that the United States is ready to make a long-term commitment to the hemisphere, he said. ### 2) USA TODAY November 1, 2000 Candidates keep silent on trade Bush, Gore seem to want same things, but the issues are complex, unpopular James Cox With Al Gore and George W. Bush mainly silent on the issue of trade, Campaign 2000 is a race in search of a giant sucking sound. Take the trade deficit, on pace to hit $ 353 million and top last year's record by 33%. "Neither side has said anything about it," says Ernest Preeg, senior fellow at the Manufacturers Alliance, which does trade analysis. "Once you say it's a problem, you have to say what you'll do with it." With few exceptions, the candidates say they want the same things: expanded trade, a new round of global trade talks, strong enforcement of U.S. anti-dumping laws and a freer hand from Congress to negotiate trade pacts. Even Gore adviser Laura Tyson, once a top economic aide to President Clinton, notes some similarities between the vice president and the Texas governor on trade. Bush policy director Josh Bolten says the free-trade rhetoric coming out of the two campaigns is a coincidence. "There's a very important difference: We mean it." Where do the two men stand on trade issues? Labor and environment. Gore vows to build "core standards" for both into new trade agreements. Bush pledges to keep labor and the environment out of trade talks. Unions say standards are vital to protect worker rights and natural resources -- and to keep foreign firms from lowering costs by exploiting labor and cutting environmental corners. Poor countries insist they won't sign anything that holds them to U.S. standards and robs them of the competitive advantage they get from cheaper labor. "The rest of the world is going to say, 'No way, Jose,' as far as any new trade agreements," says Dean
Re: [CTRL] Bush Finally Admits DUI Arrest
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/02/2000 8:09:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "It's not something he's proud of," Bush spokeswoman Mindy Tucker said, explaining why Bush had not come forward with the information on his own. Bush was pulled over by police for driving too slowly near his family's Kennebunkport, Maine, summer home during the Labor Day weekend. Other people were in the car, but Tucker did not know who. There are a lot of reasons why I don't want Dubya for president, but none of them have anything to do with an ancient DUI. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush Finally Admits DUI Arrest
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/02/2000 10:09:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: YOU'D HAVE TO GO WISH BUSH ... SURELY??? Oh surely not! Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/02/2000 9:11:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Who really cares about who lied about what? The past is the past and no one is going to change what either one of these nutzoids did in their pasts. The bottom line is you are not going to find the perfect candidate in the choices for president available. So why bother? And why even bother to vote? NEITHER is worthy of my time to go to the poll. Now wait a minute. We've spent eight years investigating things that the Clintons might or might not have done for the past thirty years. I thought the past was the past, until the Republicans spent millions of tax dollars insisting that every little bit of anything really counted. So if you don't want to vote, don't vote, but don't tell me the past is the past until you can get the Republican party to cough up the money they cost us investigating it. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: Fw: [toeslist] Fast Track Trade...]
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/03/2000 7:16:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This would include being âwell on the roadâ toward winning Presidential fast track trade negotiating authority from Congress. Unless the other Free Trade Area of the Americas members know fast track is on its way, the United States will be effectively shut out of the next hemispheric summit, Mr. Zoellick told a forum sponsored by the Council on Foreign Relatio Smells like MAI to me. I guess there's another reason to try really hard to keep old Dubya out of office. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: GOP News Views - November 3, 2000
Well Clinton let our West burn all to hell and the Los Alamos fire was deliberately set - on a very windy day - so why not let the mid east burn? A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy To unsubscribe send "leave chuckmuth" in body of message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or hit reply with "remove" in subject or go to http://www.incor.com/l10003/newsletter.htm to remove X-ListMember: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Clinton Campaigns While Mideast Burns "Three Israeli soldiers and six Palestinians died yesterday in fierce gunbattles throughout the West Bank and Gaza Strip in a day that Israelis said had turned a civilian uprising into a war," reported the Washington Times yesterday. Still, the increasing violence hasn't detracted the president from his important fundraising and campaign duties. Priorities, priorities. "October Surprise" Hits Two Days Late OK. George W. Bush was arrested for misdemeanor drunk driving in 1976. Fine. That was a long time ago, in Bush's youth, and well before driving under the influence ... thanks primarily to the efforts of groups such as Mothers Against Drunk Driving ... became such a social taboo. And fact is, Bush didn't use his family's influence to duck his responsibility and he his dues. In addition, he readily has admitted "youthful indiscretions" in the past and quit drinking altogether some 16 years ago. Now ... was the revelation of the incident politically motivated? Duh. Of course it was. But the real issue is how in the HELL does a $100 million+ presidential campaign NOT know about an incident like this? And if it DID know, why in the HELL didn't they address it a LONG time ago? How in the HELL does a presidential campaign let something like this hang out there until 5 days before D-Day, betting America's future that no one would "find out"? And how in the HELL did all those other Republican presidential candidates NOT find this information during the PRIMARY? This has got to be one of the most brutal examples of political incompetence in the history of the GOP. Fred Barnes of the "Weekly Standard" was right: "Republicans never blow an opportunity to blow an opportunity." Many Republicans have worried for a long time that Bush's Austin team wasn't quite ready for prime time. Seems those fears were more than justified. Let's hope the American voters are smarter than the boobs who tried to hide this incident and allowed this stink bomb to go off so close to the finish line. *** Trick or Treat "Peter Roff, a well-known Washington political strategist, says he was out trick-or-treating with his children Tuesday night in the left-leaning streets of Alexandria, Va., 'and we come up to a house that has standing in front of it a life-size cardboard cutout of Al Gore ... nothing else, just a Gore cutout ... with a sign attached to it that says: 'This is the scariest thing we could think of.' " - John McCaslin's "Inside the Beltway," 11/2/00 *** Goin' Down the Toilet "Faced with defections to Ralph Nader, the Gore campaign and its allies keep talking about 'energizing the base' of the Democratic Party. That led Philadelphia Inquirer reporter Dick Polman yesterday to quote Democratic activist James Carville: '[W]henever I hear a campaign talk about a need to energize the base, that's a campaign that's going down the toilet. It's a pretty good indication that ... they're getting shelled back into their own bunker.' Mr. Carville made the remark in his first book, referring to the election of 1992 when President Bush was struggling to lock up his base as many Republicans defected to Ross Perot." - Greg Pierce's "Inside Politics," 11/2/00 * No Wonder Sonny Dumped Her "Cher is so panic-stricken at the thought of a Bush victory that she has postponed a trip to Europe to stay in America and campaign for Gore, ABCNews.com reports. The singer-actress spells out the case for her man with her usual taste and subtlety: 'Has everyone lost their f---ing minds? Doesn't anybody remember the illustrious Reagan-Bush years when people had no money and no jobs? What has happened to people's memories? It's like they have Alzheimer's or something.'" - WSJ.com's OpinionJournal, 11/2/00 ** D.C. Dufus "(I)f George W. Bush is a lightweight, Al Gore is a deep lightweight: deep on the surface, profoundly shallow down below. ... He is the kind of intellect that parrots whatever cyber-sophistry is dressed up in the livery of au courant sophistication by phony futurists, M.I.T.-media-lab-type gurus, Tom Peters-type management theory shills and snake-oil Internet 'visionaries'. ... Al Gore gives intelligence a bad name." - New York Observer's "Edgy Enthusiast" columnist, Ron Rosenbaum *** The Lyin' King "Why should we believe you will tell the truth as president if you
[CTRL] Fw: Physician's Group Opposes Mandatory Vaccinations
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - Please copy and distribute to other interested individuals and groups ** 11/2/00 Doctor's Group Opposes Vaccine Mandates A leading national physician organization is calling for a moratorium on all government mandated vaccines and has passed a resolution to that end at their annual meeting. The resolution passed without a single "no" vote. http://www.healthmall.com/newsletter.cfm Full story for your convience: Doctor's Group Opposes Vaccine Mandates A leading national physician organization is calling for a moratorium on all government mandated vaccines and has passed a resolution to that end at their annual meeting. Members of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) voted this week at their 57th Annual Meeting in St. Louis to pass a resolution calling for an end to mandatory childhood vaccines. The resolution passed without a single "no" vote. (Resolution and mandatory vaccine fact sheet posted at www.aapsonline.org) "Our children face the possibility of death or serious long-term adverse effects from mandated vaccines that aren't necessary or that have very limited benefits," said Jane M. Orient, MD, AAPS Executive Director. "This is not a vote against vaccines," said Dr. Orient. "This resolution only attempts to halt blanket vaccine mandates by government agencies and school districts that give no consideration for the rights of the parents or the individual medical condition of the child." Forty-two states have mandatory vaccine policies, and many children are required to have 22 shots before first grade. On top of that, as a condition for school attendance, many school districts require vaccination for diseases such as hepatitis B -- primarily an adult disease, usually spread by multiple sex partners, drug abuse or an occupation with exposure to blood. And yet, children under the age of 14 are three times more likely to suffer adverse effects -- including death -- following the hepatitis b vaccine than to catch the disease itself. Just last week, students in Utica, NY were sent home from school, and told they could not return until they had been forced to receive hep B vaccinations. Further, parents were threatened by Child Protective Services with possible seizure of their children based on "education neglect." "It's obscene to threaten to seize a child just because his parents refuse medical treatment that is obviously unnecessary and perhaps even dangerous," said Dr. Orient. "AAPS believes that parents, with the advice of their doctors, should make decisions about their children's medical care -- not government bureaucrats. This Resolution affirms that position. ** A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush Finally Admits DUI Arrest
-Caveat Lector- Well why don;t someone ask Gore and Clinton if they are Communists? They are traitors! Bill A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Physician's Group Opposes Mandatory Vaccinations
-Caveat Lector- This is probably the most important item I have ever read on the web.recently it was speaking of this encephalitis causing the brain to swell, etc., and way back in the 1970 period I had information put out by the US Deprtment of Health that 1 in 150,000 could have "swelling of the brain" which often leads to a child spending his life in a wheel chair, or "palsied", etc., and it was taken as just one of those things. I had refused to submit my daughter to this one vaccine and was threated with potential arrest - now I worked for a Court at the time and was not easily threatened..I demanded that this loud mouthed school nurse, or the doctor sign papers taking full responsibility should anything happen - and of course, the doctor wanted no part of that and the school nurse wanted no part of itmatter dropped. Whatever ever happened to the vaccine where it was revealed 1 out of every 5 children could be made autistic? The "dumbing down" of American children - could some of these vaccines be behind this? Remember the deadly swine flu shots? If that isn't insulting enough, "swine" flu as opposed to Victorian flu - how many people today live a life of hell because of that one and cui bono. I am glad to see doctors fighting back - and I would like to know how much Clinton has profitted along with Admiral Crowe - and see how the anthrax vaccine controversy has faded awayso now to save face, they claim there are shortages - hoping people will rush out like to the Super Market prior to a deep freeze. Vaccinations to give or not to give should be decision of the doctor - and to think these tiny little babies, not yet two years old in some instances - they want to give them HIV shots (so they won't get HIV like our President) before they have a chance to live. So now I question why they are bringing or going to bring in thousands of Africans with AIDS, for that is the requirement to get in USA, you mus have AIDS - why are they bringing in these people to America? Food shortage from murdering white farmers, or desire to spread this disease further in America. Keep out of public restrooms and public swimming poolsfirst place Health Department closes down during epidemic, is your local filthy swimming pool . street people in some instances have been sleeping not only in the streets, but in public restrooms - many of whom have AIDS and other diseasesdo not subject your children to these conditions. And imagine - many of these Africans with AIDS will become food handlers - goodoobye Sarah Lee.. A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush Finally Admits DUI Arrest: Now Votescam...
Who really cares about who lied about what? The past is the past and no one is going to change what either one of these nutzoids did in their pasts. The bottom line is you are not going to find the perfect candidate in the choices for president available. So why bother?And why even botherto vote?*** NEITHER is worthy of my time to go to the poll. eagle 1 Good Question there Eagle 1... www.votescam.com You're running in your first election for City Council in a crowded field of 26 candidates. Nine will be elected. The No. I local anchorman comes on T.V. at about 9:15 PM and announces that you're going to do very well for a first time candidatehe flashes on the screen that you're running 12th; only three places from victory. Such a finish would give hope to all who were daring to fight city hall. Earlier in the evening, a liberal-leftist hometown university professor who was analyzing early returns for another local TV station had projected that your arch-rival, and his allya sweetheart of the anti-God portion of the establishmentwas headed towards defeat. But HO-L-L-L-D EVERYTHING !!!At approximately 9.45 PM the same anchorman announces that there has been a computer breakdown. 45 minutes later when the computers come back up, a massive switch has occurred. You and 7 other feisty challengers have fallen to the very bottom of the heap The establishment sweetheart has jumped into a winning positionagainst all odds. Despite unprecedented public dissatisfaction, the same oldfaces are elected once again. Many conclude that "you just can't fight city hall. " Things have worked out just great for all those entrenched politicians who seemed to be the object of such public dissatisfaction right up to election day. The next morning, you scan the papers in vain for any mention of the computer breakdown no record for posterity. The above scenario is my storybut it was happening in dozens of places all across the nation. It was 1979 and a new day had quietly dawned in America - UNVERIFIABLE, RIGGABLE computerized vote tabulation. Ballots for BulletsWhen I was small I remember my Dad saying how in other countries they would shoot each other to decide the transfer of power. In our country it was done by the ballot at election time. Millions of American soldiers have fought and bled and died to protect your right to free and fair elections; to protect your right to an orderly, peaceful transfer of power when the people so will. How Your Parents' Votes Were CountedOnce upon a time, Americans voted by Paper Ballot. At the end of the day after the polls had closed, neighborhood people, Democrats and Republicans, worked together to count the votes in the precinct (polling place) BEFORE the votes left that precinct. The count was then posted at the precinct polling place for all to see. This is the only way to insure a verifiable election. Variations of method are possible, but the elements of physical ballots which are counted and posted at the precinct before the ballots leave each precinct are essential to insure a fair and honest count. To rig an election with the above safeguards built in, one would have to bribe many hundreds of neighborhood people, including key Democrats and Republicans in each precinct you hoped to rig. Finally, the group of people bribed at each precinct would only have access to a tiny fraction of the vote. There would be no hope of throwing an election from a central location with the push of a button. The Greatest Cover-up Begins About 1974 a sinister development was in full swing all over the United States. In many areas, especially high population regions, the votes were no longer being counted in the precincts by neighborhood people. The switch was on to computer vote counting systems. Typical was Cincinnati, Oluo where votes were bundled up immediately after the polls closed and sent to a mysterious centra computer room to be counted by secret computer codes. To add insult to injury, the votes were counted away from the watchful eye of the entire electorate and the press.Despite the brutal cover up that has been conducted for going on date decades by the newsmedia and the major parties to prevent you from hearing about this issue, some major media news items have appeared. In a rare but superb news story on the eve of the 1988 Presidential election, Dan Rather (CBS Evening News) engaged in this exchange with computer expert Howard J. Strauss of Princeton University: Rather- "Realistically, could the fix be put on in a national election?" Strauss: "Get me a job with the company that writes the software for this program. (ed- Strauss was referring to the most common computer program in use) Then I'd have access to one third of the votes. Is that enough to fix a general election?" "A
Re: [CTRL] Could Israel Have Bombed The USS Cole???
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/2/00 6:55:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Suicide missions have not been part of the Israeli military strategy. I would never suspect them. Prudy But what if the mossad convinced a couple of arabs to do the suicide mission for the greater good of all arabs against the Great Satan? Of course it would be understood that they would not tell the arabs that they were Jews but would pass themselves off as arabs. Bill A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush Finally Admits DUI Arrest
-Caveat Lector- Let's see now... Did Bush drive his car off a bridge while drunk? Did a female passenger drown? Did he fail to recue her? Since none of these things happened, Bush obviously is totally worthless. ### Those who expect to reap the benefits of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it. - Thomas Paine A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [corp-focus] It's No Accident
It's No Accident By Russell Mokhiber and Robert Weissman Imagine this: You are a prosecutor. You indict a person for homicide. You type up a press release and plan to hold a press conference to announce the indictment. But before you say anything to the media about the indictment, you must first consult with the lawyer for the defendant. And under the law, the lawyer for the defendant has a right to veto anything you say in the press release, or at the press conference. And the lawyer for the defendant has the right to negotiate the wording of the press release. No prosecutor in his or her right mind would accept such an intrusion by a person accused of a crime. But a similar situation is being tolerated by the Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC), the federal policing agency set up to enforce consumer protection laws, including those covering children's products made by companies such as Hasbro (Playskool), Mattel (Fisher-Price), Graco/Century Products, Evenflo, Cosco, Safety 1st and Kolcraft. Under the law that set up the CPSC, before the agency releases information to the public, it must notify the company of its intention. If the company disputes the accuracy or fairness of the information to be released, then the general counsel of the CPSC gets involved and the dispute over the press release could end up in federal court. But the CPSC is strapped for resources, and the result is, in most cases, the company gets its way. What's the consequence of such a policy? More than most, this policing agency has become subordinate to the industry it polices. And the result is that hundreds of innocent children are killed and thousands are injured by consumer products every year -- products that would have been pulled off the market by an independent agency not hamstrung by corporate interference. One such infant who died was Danny Keysar. In May 1998, 17-month old Danny was at a daycare home. His daycare provider put him down for a nap in a Playskool Travel-Lite portable crib. A short while later, when she went to check on him, she found that the crib had collapsed with Danny in it. His neck was caught in the rails. He wasn't breathing. He died. Marla Felcher, then a professor of marketing at Northwestern University, was a friend of Danny's parents. She attended Danny's funeral. At the funeral, Danny's mother urged Felcher to investigate why Danny died. Within a week of beginning her investigation, Felcher realized that Danny's death should never have happened. The crib that killed Danny had been recalled five years earlier. Danny was the fifth child to be killed by this particular Playskool portable crib model. Other companies manufactured cribs using the same design. And over 1.5 million units of other portable cribs had been recalled, and at least a dozen children have been killed in total. The whole idea of the portable crib is that it collapses easily. The top rails on these types of portable cribs have a hinge in the center. A child could stand up, grab onto the top rail, and collapse it. Danny's weight was strong enough to collapse the crib. When cribs of this sort collapse, the top rail bends at the center hinge, forms a "V" and the child is knocked down. His neck or chest can get caught in the grip of the V, and he is no longer able to breathe. The problem with the Playskool crib and others that were designed the same way is that it is possible for a caregiver to set up the crib and assume that it is locked into place, when it is not. "The coroners' reports on all these portable crib fatalities are shockingly similar -- the kid was found trapped in the 'V' of the folded crib rails," Felcher told us last week. The control that the consumer product industry has over the CPSC is truly mindboggling. For example, some products pose a serious risk of injury to children, while others present only a slight risk. But because the industry has a stranglehold over the information flow from CPSC to the public, reporters and consumer never find out whether the risk is serious or not. Thus while the CPSC rates how dangerous a product is -- A, B, C, D -- the rating is not made public. And because the CPSC is not aggressive in getting information out about product hazards, when it does recall a dangerous product, a very small percentage -- perhaps 10 to 30 percent -- of the product gets pulled off the market. One of those recalled products that failed to get pulled from the market was the crib that killed Danny Keysar. Felcher has written up the findings of her investigation in a book (It's No Accident: How the Infant Products Industry Compromises Baby Safety (Common Courage Press, February 2001)). And Danny's parents have set up a non-profit to help get dangerous children's products off the market (www.kidsindanger.org). But true progress won't be made until a new political culture sweeps Washington, one that values human life over the almighty dollar. Only then will the police be liberated
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Perot endorses Dubya.....new dossier, going up tomorrow, I hope
Hi all, This will go up tomorrow evening at disinfo.com Peace, Preston So Can we Really Trust G. W. Bush? While current Republican Presidential hopeful George W. Bush has admitted that in 1976 he was arrested for DUI while driving in Maine with friends, (Nov. 1, 2000), he still portrays himself as the man who will bring honor and integrity back to the highest office in the land. But this unfortunately is not the only shadiness in Bush’s past, nor the only illegal action on his part. G.W. Bush violated federal securities law at least 4 times in the late 80s and early 90s, says a recent report from the Center for Public Integrity by Knut Royce, reported in collaboration with TALK magazine. According to an internal government memo of the US Securities and Exchange Commission CPI obtained, written in 1991 during an investigation into a sale by Bush of Harken Energy Corporation stock just before the Gulf War dropped the value of company Director Bush’s shares drastically. Investigators found the Bush had made a habit of filing notice of insider information and sales with the SEC in an extremely untimely fashion. The press made much of the investigation at one point, alleging that because the SEC did not file charges on the one previously known sale of Harken shares in 1991, it must not have been a big deal. But CPI found that there were not one, but at least 4 separate instances where Bush had illegally waited to file notice with the SEC, and that SEC investigators could see a pattern to Bush’s late filings, almost as though he were trying to hide them for the maximum time he could. The Securities and Exchange Commission Act of 1934 requires that all company insiders must report publicly all transactions, both sales and purchases by filing a Form 4 report by the 10 day of the month following the deal. But Bush did not do that. This can alert “outside investors that company officers or directors are nervous about the company’s earnings or growth. They can also alert the SEC that an officer or director benefited from information that only an insider could have known, a violation of securities laws,” report CPI. All 4 late filings involved transactions totally more than $1 million dollars. While the SEC decided not to press charges, it is obvious from the SEC memo that investigators felt Bush knew he what he was doing, as he had already filed Form 4s in other transactions involving other companies at which he either sat on the board, or was director of. Bush has also been told by a judge in Texas that he must face a civil rights lawsuit filed by environmental activists who were non-violently protesting outside of the Governor’s mansion last Spring, according to Brian Hansen at the Environmental News Service. Bush told reporters a5t the time that “people just gotta respect the rules,” even though it was his action that was breaking the rules by allowing the Texas Department of Public Safety police officers arrest lawfully protesting activists. On Thursday, Nov. 2, 2000, Bush told a crowd of supporters during a campaign stop in Pittsburgh, while standing next to Gulf War “hero” Colin Powell, “In my administration, we’ll make it clear there is the controlling legal authority of conscience. We will make people proud again, so that Americans who love their country can once again respect their government,” reports Laurie Kellman of the Associated Press. This guy wants to be President of the biggest, most powerful country in the world. Both he and his running mate, Dick Cheney, are harping on about how they want to bring back a government the American people can trust. Ok, so who are they suggesting we can trust? Certainly not themselves I’d hope, but unfortunately for us all, that is exactly who they are talking about. 620 words Preston Peet [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1- Bush Gets Tough on Limited Liability http://mai.flora.org/forum/11881 3 pyramids This article and comment details G.W. Bush’s proposal to go after the shareholders for crimes committed in their name by corporations and companies. Sounds idealistic as the commentator notes, and more than a bit disingenuous. 2- The Bush Watch http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/3750/july2000.htm 4 pyramids This is a great page, with tons of info on Shrub, and if you scroll about half-way down the page you can see both info on Bush tax-cuts in Texas, the results of those cut, and his Dad’s Savings and Loans connections. 3- George W. Bush- Billionaires Politician Puppet http://georgewbushissues.freeyellow.com/bushbook/bushcover.html 4 pyramids This is the book by Chris Fick, online free at the George W. Bush Issues- Right House Home Page, for a limited time only, on Shrub and the strings that control him and make him dance. This is quite a read, and not cheerful. “Read the frightening story of GWB, and the Bush family’s involvement in the S and L scandal,” it says here. 4- George W. Bush Exploratory
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] The War Machine Outside the State
A reflection on the Virilio interview: "Today, almost all-current technologies put the speed of light to work. And, as you know, here we are not only talking about information at a distance but also operation at a distance, or, the possibility to act instantaneously, from afar." -- Paul Virilio Speed is very important to resistance. The goal isn't to slay an anaconda without breaking a heel (meow!), but, rather, to break heels, empires (and the ocassional will) in the great babylons while not getting crushed by the heels of the powerful. Power has set up its mechanisms of eliminating and marginalizing the dissidents. Mainly it wears them down and then co-opts them in an apathetic haze. Resistance today means establishing small, even temporary, territorial spaces from which to launch it. That can be the classic guerrilla jungle terrain (where the anacondas are our friends -- Mother Nature's land mine for those who don't know the jungle) and it can also be a "cyber-territory," a web site, an email address, or a combination of them to speed up Virilio's concept of a nuclear-type chain reaction leading to the pulverization of established spaces of power. And, yes, it does mean out-running the fat and slothful beasts of institutional power. Marcos of the Zapatistas, to me, is the pioneer of applying the work of Virilio, of Deleuze and Guattari, even of poor old Baudrillard. "This is a war of words, not of guns," he said, but he had to use guns to establish the small piece of territory with which to launch his cyber-guerrilla. The Party of the State in Mexico pulverized, but that is only the first evidence of what the Zapatistas have brought about. More is on the way. Power knows it. Has anybody read David Ronfeldt's work at the Rand Corporation on net-war? It was the first attempt from the Cathedrals of Power to offer an intellectual response to the new tactics established by Zapatismo. And at the same time it was part of the pulverization process, as serious opponents of the system used Ronfeldt's work as a model to improve upon cyber-Zapatismo. The other brilliance of Zapatismo -- and here is where they apply another realm of Virilio's work -- was in the resurrection of ancient indigenous thought processes and war strategies using the enemy's technological info-weapons. "The war machine outside the state" is a term of Felix Guattari and Gilles Deleuze from their 1972 "Anti-Oedipus." Virilio and others later analyzed the system of indigenous tribal wars in the Amazon as forces that prevented State power from establishing domain over territory. Given that the latest turn in the conquest is Power's aim to conquer territory and sovereignty by eliminating them, as Virilio spoke about in that interview, the study and use of what are really indigenous technologies of war and revolution is increasingly important. In my times "on the mountain" I never believed for a second that I had anything to teach the Zapatistas. To the contrary, it is them who have everything to teach us. Speed is also important in defusing information bombs thrown against the resistance. My view is that at current rates of speed, one has 24 hours to defuse a lie once it is launched, before it reproduces and mutates in a thousand forms. Another interesting reading on these concepts, less stodgy than our dear French philosophers, is Douglas Rushkoff's "Media Virus" and his concept of replicating information "memes". Baudrillard's "The Gulf War Never Happened", I and II, I would posit, was also part of a pulverization. Of course that concept was ridiculous, as a million or more dead or suffering Iraquis, and some poisoned US Vets, know all too well. In 1996, I co-hosted a birthday party in NY before leaving the States. My friend Sylvere Lotringer of Semiotext(e) came by with Baudrillard and they sat down at a table. I snippet of the conversation will always stay with me: Sylvere: This is Jean Baudrillard. Penny Arcade: You're not Baudrillard! Baudrillard: (inaudible grunt) Penny Arcade: You're not Baudrillard because Baudrillard doesn't exist. He didn't happen! --- But Marcos, he is still happening. And I sometimes wonder why more people who've read those great French works remain armchair readers and don't apply them in a serious resistance to Power. I've developed a distrust of almost anyone who doesn't put their own "lives, fortune and sacred honor" on the line. Talk is cheap. And as the Zapatistas have shown, it involves a whole lot more than developing "a culture of technology." Asserting a culture of food, work, home, land, justice and re-imposing these more basic aspects onto the technological morass is where the resistance is found. Ruthlessness, cunning, patience and sweetness are the four attributes said Castaneda's don Juan. Incoherence is non-response. "Revolutionary coherence," as Guy Debord writ, is mandatory. And it drives the incoherent to distraction. Oh well, sun's
[CTRL] OEN 11/3/00
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ Click Here: A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe/A - Withhold Not, and Ye Shall Not Be Withheld Arrow Plastics Stops Working for IRS Ends employee withholding taxes. While there are an ever growing number of Employer's that are taking steps to honor Employee request to legally stop withholding, it is a rare brave individual who steps forward and publicly proclaims before the whole country on the worldwide web that employee's are not required to furnish a Social Security Number or W-4 to work, in fact no withholding will be made from their remuneration. The below letter from Mr. Simkanin was received at Taxgate: As planned, starting the first of the year, Arrow Plastics stopped all withholding from its 45 employees. A few of the people are upset because they now have to take responsibility for themselves to pay a tax that they have determined they are responsible for. Two employees actually quit because of the new tax posture Arrow has taken. The rest have taken a wait and see attitude. About half have said they would not file this year based on the education they have been given by the company. NOTICE I said EDUCATION not ADVICE. On January 31, we filed corrected and amended W-2s, 941s, 940s and 1099s for the past three years. This involved $2,954,607.00 in remuneration. We hired four new people in January told them we did not need their SS# nor did we require a W4 from them. Needless to say they were delighted, after I gave them an explanation as to why we didn't need this information. And that reason is basically this: The company does not have the authority nor the police power to determine if the people that work for Arrow are or are not responsible for any tax what-so-ever. Also, Arrow has determined that they are not an agent for any government agency, including the IRS. In the past, Arrow has acted as an agent, FREE of CHARGE, for the IRS and collected money from every employee and passed it along to the IRS. Arrow has determined that this could be construed a conspiracy with the IRS to defraud the people that work for Arrow. Arrow Custom Plastics no longer wishes to participate in such an activity. BTW, 90% prayer and 10% consultation went into this decision. Remember, "for evil to prevail, all it takes is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke. Dick Simkanin, General Manager Arrow Custom Plastics 817 540 1892 Ext. 204 FAX 817 283 1081 Web Site: .ArrowPlastics.com Postal address: Arrow Custom Plastics 3717 Commerce Place, Suite A Bedford, Texas 76021 ( Be sure to visit their website at http://www.ArrowPlastics.com/opportunitie.htm ) Members have access to the latest data on how Employers are beginning legal zero withholding for their Employees. Thanks to several employers who have worked with us to forge ahead and tactfully insist that the IRS abide by their own laws and procedures, we will all benefit. The Senior Members and Senior Associates of Taxgate will continue to achieve newer and greater heights in this area as time goes on. We are very excited with the projects that are currently on the drawing board and being achieved as you read this. Call us on this if you need more info in the interim! http://www.taxgate.com/results/zero_withholding.htm, November 3, 2000 - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Jerusalem bomb kills daughter of religious leader
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac=003749863959665rtmo=Lxt7GdLdatmo=rrr qpg=/et/00/11/3/wmid03.html Click Here: A HREF="http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac=003749863959665rtmo=Lxt7GdLdatmo=r rrqpg=/et/00/11/3/wmid03.html"Jerusalem bomb kills daughter of religious lead /A - ISSUE 1988 Friday 3 November 2000 Jerusalem bomb kills daughter of religious leader By Alan Philps in Jerusalem Roots of violence are found in the olive groves Middle East Factfile A CAR bomb in the centre of Jerusalem that killed two people, including the daughter of a prominent religious party leader, yesterday complicated efforts to prop up a shaky truce designed to end five weeks of clashes between Israel and the Palestinians. Killed: Shahar LevyShahar Levy, 28, a mother of three, was the daughter of Yitzhak Levy, leader of the National Religious Party, which represents the interests of Jewish settlers in West Bank and Gaza Strip, who are in a state of near-war with their Palestinian neighbours. Witnesses said that a Mazda car packed with explosives blew up in a narrow street, killing two and injuring nine people. Yaakov Hassoum, a shopkeeper, said: "I saw her on the ground and her legs had been blown off. I hoped she was alive, but she was dead." The other victim was not immediately identified. Mrs Levy had just left a West Bank settlement to seek safety in Jerusalem from the violence in the Palestinian territories and was moving into a rented flat. Six of the other wounded were members of a family that had also sought refuge in the city - in their case from the southern suburb of Gilo, which has been the scene of nightly gun battles between the Israeli army and Palestinian militiamen. Fresh fighting erupted last night between Gilo and the Palestinian village of Beit Jala, with the army returning fire without its usual precaution of warning the Palestinian residents to take cover. Two more Palestinians were shot dead by the Israeli army yesterday, despite efforts to enforce a truce negotiated on Wednesday night by the former prime minister, Shimon Peres, as a way to bring both sides back from the brink of war. He said he had stepped in to prevent "terrible bloodshed". The fate of the truce hung in the balance last night, with the Israelis demanding that Yasser Arafat, the Palestinian leader, issue a personal appeal for an end to violence. This would be matched by a similar statement from Ehud Barak, the Israeli Prime Minister, who had been due to make his appeal when the car bomb exploded. But there was no talk of truce at the bomb site. David Tayfield, who lives near the site of the explosion, said: "Barak should go now and face justice. He legalised the Palestinian terrorists." A neighbour, Michael Bernstein, said: "The only answer is to raze Gaza and take over the territory. Why should we give it back to the Arabs? Are the Americans going to hand Texas back to the Spanish? The problem with us Jews is that we are always looking for approval. We need a strong leader who would not be afraid of the world." Last night, Mr Arafat said his Palestinian Authority was completely against the car bombing, which was claimed in Beirut by the militant Islamic Jihad, an Iranian-backed group known for a string of suicide bomb attacks. He said: "We are against it completely." Israel said it held the Palestinian Authority responsible by releasing Islamic militants at the start of the wave of unrest that has killed at least 168 people, mostly Palestinians. The car bombing, in Shomron Street, a pretty alley of small houses, could have been much worse. It is a religious neighbourhood and many residents saw the hand of God in averting a much greater catastrophe. French-born Mrs Camille Goslan said: "It is one of the miracles of the state of Israel. Without these miracles none of us would survive. The terrorists were heading for the Mahane Yehuda market. It is Thursday afternoon, the time that everyone stocks up on food for the weekend. They wanted to kill as many Jews as possible." The car that blew up was heading away from the market down a one-way street, perhaps lost in the maze of alleys. Some witnesses said the suspect car was being chased by the police and was blocked by a removal van. The driver apparently fled and detonated the explosives by remote control. There was an angry mood as crowds chanted "death to Arabs". When it emerged that the bombers had probably escaped, a manhunt began in all directions. There are many Arabs who work in the market stalls, and they melted away instantly, fearing possible vengeance. John Phillips, originally from Newcastle, said: "I was half asleep when there was an enormous boom. I heard the neighbours shouting and I rushed out half-dressed and bare-foot. They were saying there was half a body in the street." Last night, the atmosphere in Jerusalem was sombre, with people hurrying home early in case the car bomb was followed by another, as has been the
[CTRL] Judge threatens girls with `hell'
Judge threatens girls with `hell' November 2, 2000BY CHRIS FUSCO SUBURBAN REPORTER "If you lie, you will go to hell," a Cook County judge warned two girls in his court before they testified about their dead poodle.Judge James T. Ryan once kept a woman in court until she soiled herself, and fined another woman for speeding to a hospital to give birth. The former mayor of Arlington Heights says he has since learned to control his temper.Now, he's in trouble with Diane Tuzzolino, a Mount Prospect mother who says he scared her children, Karyn, 12, and Kara, 8."My older daughter went to testify," Tuzzolino said. "He told her, `You realize if you lie, you will go to hell. You realize what I'm saying, you will go to hell.' "The judge, she says, then made a similar statement to Kara.Ryan isn't disputing that he mentioned the afterlife in his Rolling Meadows courtroom. But he says he treated Tuzzolino's children with respect, speaking kindly to see if they were fit to testify in a heartbreaking case."I might have said, `It was conceivable you could go to hell,' though I don't remember exactly. Sometimes people misperceive what I'm trying to do."The family was in court Friday to dispute a $312.70 bill from a Schaumburg animal hospital, which cared for Tabitha, the family's 19-year-old black poodle-Pomeranian mix.Ryan, 66, sided with the plaintiff, Golf Rose Animal Hospital. But upsetting Tuzzolino just as much was Ryan's attitude toward her kids.State law requires judges to make sure that children under 15 know the consequences of lying. If judges have doubts, Ryan said, they can keep the children from testifying.Because small claims court doesn't have court reporters, it's impossible to know exactly what Ryan said. In an interview Wednesday, the judge said he "felt sorry for the kids" and was trying to discourage Tuzzolino from making them testify.A signed receipt for the veterinarian's work, Ryan said, made Tuzzolino responsible for the bill, despite her argument that the dog already had died when she brought it to the animal hospital last April. The girls testified that the dog's head had drooped in the car on the way to the vet, Ryan said."I didn't want the children to testify, but she was insistent," he said. "I questioned the children, asking them if they knew the difference between right and wrong ... and what would happen to them if they did not tell the truth."When she heard the judge, "I was basically speechless," said Tuzzolino, 38. "Never in my life have I heard a judge say that, even to an adult."Joseph J. Urso, presiding judge at the Rolling Meadows courthouse, said judges typically avoid such words."It has negative connotations," Urso said. "Most people would not use those kinds of words. But that doesn't mean the way it was used in this case was improper."Urso said he has received "virtually no complaints" about Ryan this year. Urso reassigned Ryan from traffic to small claims court in October 1999, after Ryan refused to let a Schaumburg woman use the bathroom. Ryan previously fined a Streamwood woman $95 for speeding to a hospital to give birth.Ryan, who plans to seek another term in 2002, said he's learned to control his demeanor in court, an opinion seconded by the chief judge."Judge Ryan has done a good job trying to curb many of the problems that might have occurred," Urso said. "I'm surprised to hear about this." Back to top Back to Home Find a nearby business with Ameritech® yellowpages.net [News] [Sports] [Business] [Showcase] [Classifieds] [Columnists] [Feedback] [Home] Copyright 2000, Digital Chicago Inc.
[CTRL] Houdini Hillary and Bill four years from a White House return
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.smh.com.au/news/0011/03/features/features2.html Click Here: A HREF="http://www.smh.com.au/news/0011/03/features/features2.html"Houdini Hillary and Bill four years from a Whit /A -FEATURES ARTS Houdini Hillary and Bill four years from a White House return 'Two for the price of one' - political fantasy (or prophesy?) as the Clintons look towards a New York Senatorial victory and 2004, asks Jennifer Hewett. When he was campaigning for the White House eight long years ago, Bill Clinton liked to joke that people were getting two for the price of one. The joke went horribly flat after Bill took it seriously and appointed Hillary to reform health care. The White House ended up with a political debacle and the deeply unpopular Hillary was dispatched to deep background. She only really re-emerged in 1998 - courtesy of Monica - when she got to play the Much Wronged Wife defending her husband no matter what. Talk about revenge. It now seems more than likely that we are going to see Senator Hillary Clinton, of New York. This should make Bill feel a little better about the prospect of Al Gore losing the unlosable election and squandering what he sees as the grand Clinton legacy. Instead, we'd all have the good senator to burnish the Clinton myth. Not to mention all the hype about Hillary using her victory to try for the White House in 2004. Oh dear. Just imagine all the trouble Bill could get into if returned to the White House as First Gentleman. The political psychologists would be beside themselves. The Clintons have already made the insides of the White House far more riveting than television rip-offs of real life such as Survivor. Act II could only become extraordinary essential daily viewing. All right, all right, this may be entering the realm of democratic fantasy, but the most remarkable thing about the Clinton twosome is that they are now both proven political Houdinis. What seems ridiculous or downright impossible becomes another amazing feat of escape and reinvention. Bill Clinton managed to slip right through the Monica Lewsinky scandal and out the other side, mocking everyone who had predicted his demise. Yes, most people don't think much of his character - particularly Hillary's former wife-in- arms, Tipper Gore - but he remains a highly popular President. No guilt here that can't be immediately expiated by dropping into a black church for forgiveness. Bill's latest trick was to suggest happily that seeing that he'd said sorry about the Lewinsky mess, it was time for Republicans to apologise. Cut to image of Gore family, teeth clenching. For most of this campaign, Al I'm-my-own-man Gore has treated his colleague as if Clinton has political halitosis. Mistake. Even though Clinton stirs some people to incandescent rage, their numbers are overwhelmed by the power of the presidential personality and the general feeling that the US has done well with him in the White House. He still sounds inspiring even if he has proved that words don't mean much other than the seamless spinning of illusion. If he could run for the presidency again, he would probably win. The Hillary picture is as complicated. She, too, has a large core of people who hate her with great passion - a passion she reciprocates. In this most unlikely campaign, though, she has managed to veer away from such obsessions and concentrate on persuading New Yorkers she cares about their issues. Smile sympathetically now. In terms of marketing, her successful relaunch can only be applauded. She has always had some of the Gore problem - lecturing people on detail in a way that is always vaguely irritating and know-all. But, unlike Al, she has proved quicker at learning campaign tricks from the master. She now connects personally with voters, helped by the fact that they know so much about the dreadful details of her marriage. It becomes harder to describe her as imperious and easier to consider her dignified in the face of humiliation. It's also true that she got lucky when Republican mayor Rudy Giuliani dropped out of the race. Despite the image problems of trigger happy police, he's admired for cleaning up New York City and would have undermined Hillary's strength there. Relentlessly suburban Rick Lazio doesn't have the star power to compete. Of course, Bill as senatorial spouse won't be quite the same as Bill as President, but don't expect him to fade away either. If Gore loses, the Democrats will be in despair. Clinton will be the best known national leader left standing. If Gore wins, Bill will be irrepressible and certain to claim his share of the credit. He will certainly be the perfect partner for Senator Clinton, saving the world in Washington. Think of it as two for the price of one. Copyright © 2000. The Sydney Morning Herald All rights reserved. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list.
[CTRL] Kasparov Loses His Crown As World Chess Champion
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.iht.com/IHT/TODAY/FRI/FPAGE/chess.2.html Click Here: A HREF="http://www.iht.com/IHT/TODAY/FRI/FPAGE/chess.2.html" Kasparov Loses His Crown As World Chess Champion/A - Paris, Friday, November 3, 2000 Kasparov Loses His Crown As World Chess Champion International Herald Tribune Garry Kasparov's 15-year reign as world chess champion ended Thursday in London. The former champion drew the 15th game of his 16-game match with a fellow Russian, Vladimir Kramnik, giving the challenger a score of 8.5 to Mr. Kasparov's 6.5. The psychological collapse of Mr. Kasparov, 37, in the match has baffled most experts. Mr. Kasparov has shown little of the fighting spirit for which is famous. Mr. Kramnik won the second and 10th games. All the others have been draws. One of the drawn games lasted only 11 moves and another only 14. Mr. Kasparov is the strongest grandmaster ever, with an Elo rating of 2,849. Mr. Kramnik, 25, a former student of Mr. Kasparov and his second during one of his successful title defenses, is the world No. 2 by Elo ranking, at 2,770. Mr. Kasparov had said that he expected Mr. Kramnik one day to succeed him as world champion. Despite Mr. Kasparov's loss of the title, the 16th game is to be played Saturday under terms of the match. As the victor, Mr. Kramnik is to receive $1.33 million of the $2 million purse. Mr. Kasparov will receive $670,000 Mr. Kasparov's only hope to retain the title had been to win on Thursday and again on Saturday, giving him a draw in a match in which he has not yet won a game. To explain his poor performance, Mr. Kasparov said over the weekend that he had ''experienced a problem all along during this contest.'' He added, ''It is a long story that I shall reveal later on.'' Michael Greengard, the American chess master who runs Mr. Kasparov's Web site, told The Associated Press before Thursday's game that he was tired of being asked what the problem was. ''I just tell everyone,'' he said, ''that aliens have stolen his brain and are going to transplant it into Elvis's body somewhere near Neptune.'' Mr. Kasparov won the world championship in 1985 at the age of 22 - the youngest player ever to do so. He had held the title for longer than any other player in the 20th century, with the exception of Emanuel Lasker of Germany, who was champion from 1894 to 1921. Mr. Kasparov was also the first world champion to lose his title without winning a single game since Mr. Lasker lost in 1921 to Jose Raul Capablanca of Cuba, who held the title until 1927. Mr. Kasparov's collapse did not surprise one grandmaster, however, who bet on Mr. Kasparov to lose before the match had even begun. Nigel Short of Britain, who challenged Mr. Kasparov for the title in 1993 and was easily defeated, has written that he made a $50 bet with a former world champion, Anatoli Karpov, that Mr. Kasparov would be beaten. Mr. Karpov, from whom Mr. Kasparov wrested the title in 1985, was so sure that Mr. Kasparov would retain the championship that he gave Mr. Short 2-1 odds. - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [CTRL] Fresia's book: The Secret Government and the Rise of Nazi Germany
From the extract presented it appears this book is another one sided effort ..but the British and Americans supported BOTH SIDES...the Whites and the Reds (but not the Greens) in the inter war period. Fresia is a good writer and researcher. Lets have the other side please' Good place to start is the Trans Siberian Railroad and Woodrow Wilson papers. Until you see this is Hegelian terms you will have gigantic gaps in the story ANTONY SUTTON
[CTRL] CLuMs crown Klum
-Caveat Lector- from:alt.conspiracy As, always, Caveat Lector Om K -Click Here: A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:649412"CLuMs crown Klum/A - Subject: CLuMs crown Klum From: A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] "[EMAIL PROTECTED] /A (Kansan1225) Date: Sat, Oct 28, 2000 7:24 PM Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The clandestine Luciferian Masons (CLuMs) who manage the Coors Brewing Company have crowned supermodel Heidi Klum as "Queen of Halloween" for the year 2000. Halloween is a very important Luciferian feast. For example, the Masons of Massachusetts had asked the Governor of that state to issue an official proclamation on Halloween recognizing the "contributions" of Freemasonry. Moreover, last year, on Halloween, CLuMs downed EgyptAir Flight 990. As I have written in the February 2000 issue of "Contemporary Indications of a Conspiracy", the birthdays of the two top German supermodels, Claudia Shapiro, a.k.a. Claudia Schiffer, and Heidi Klum, had presaged the assassinations of Pope Paul VI and Pope John Paul I, as well as the Luciferian Masonic death and resurrection of CIA-asset Karol Wojtyla, a.k.a. Pope John Paul II, on the thirteenth day of May 1981. These two birthdays also foreshadowed the assassination of Princess Diana of Wales. The Coors "Queen of Halloween" for 1999 was actress Salma Hayek. As I have written in the March 2000 issue of "Contemporary Indications", Shania Twain, Salma Hayek, and Cindy Crawford celebrated the beginning of the public reign of the Antichrist in last year's Revlon commercials by proclaiming: "Good-bye, clumps!" Here is wisdom: There was a New Moon on Halloween in 1997. Ms. Klum was born in Bergisch Gladbach. = Subject: Re: CLuMs crown Klum From: A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] "[EMAIL PROTECTED] /A (Kansan1225) Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 2:04 PM Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Manny Blanco wrote: Dear Kansan, I understand that you fear Masonry as you have no true knowledge of what it is about. I do not understand your attack on these beautiful young ladies who work very hard in their industry.. Your jealousy has no bounds I see... Regretfully, MasonTruth Bro. Manny Blanco (J.W.) Moreno Valley Lodge # 804 Moreno Valley, CA "Behold how good and pleasant it is for Brethren to dwell together in unity." I have nothing against these ladies individually. Heidi Klum, in particular, is a very pretty young lady with a great sense of humor. However, CLuM apparatchiks have picked them for celebrity because of their birthdays and birth places. Heidi's selection as "Queen of Halloween" further links the "accidental" death of Missouri Governor Mel Carnahan to the Zodiac attack on the USS "Cole". = Subject: Re: CLuMs crown Klum From: A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] "[EMAIL PROTECTED] /A (Kansan1225) Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 6:35 PM Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jim For wrote: Subject: Re: CLuMs crown Klum From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JimFor) Date: 10/29/00 4:38 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kansan1225 wrote:) Heidi's selection as "Queen of Halloween" further links the "accidental" death of Missouri Governor Mel Carnahan to the Zodiac attack on the USS "Cole". Please predict on this board several important things before they happen. Thanks. My major long-term prediction concerns the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. The central Masonic obsession is the Temple of Solomon and they have been planning to build the Third Temple over the centuries. What I predict will happen is that a CIA-guided "terrorist" organization like Hamas will take over the Temple Mount. The Israelis will then besiege them. In the ensuing battle the Islamic structures on the Mount will be demolished. The destruction will be blamed on the "terrorists" by Israel, and on Israel by the Arabs. The next step will be "urban renewal", the building of the Third Temple by CLuMs, to serve as the headquarters of the Antichrist. Last year I used to think that this scenario would take place in June 1999, because of the two Blue Moons in January and March 1999. It turned out that the two Blue Moons were used by CLuMs to mark the "war" over Kosovo, the final "world war" of the 20th century. (WWI, WWII, and the Gulf War were all started by CLuMs around the times of Blue Moons.) My present estimate for the Temple Mount battle is within the next five to ten years. = Subject: Re: CLuMs crown Klum From: A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] "[EMAIL PROTECTED] /A (JimFor) Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 10:52 AM Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks for the prediction. The definition of a bogus predictive ability might involve "predicting" things after they have occured.IMO, this seems to be the case among certain predictors. At least you made a prediction of something before it happened. I will save your prediction and see what happens. If you are correct,
[CTRL] Michael Parenti on American Fascism
-Caveat Lector- from:alt.conspiracy As, always, Caveat Lector Om K - Click Here: A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:649251"Michael Parenti on American Fascism/A - Subject: Michael Parenti on American Fascism From: Alex Constantine A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A Date: Fri, Oct 27, 2000 11:17 PM Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WARS FASCISM ... "... fascism in power is the open terrorist dictatorship of the most reactionary, most chauvinistic and most imperialist elements of finance capital." * Fascism destroys unions and assaults worker's rights. * Fascism is violent force an terrorist rule of state-monopoly-capitalism * Fascism is divide and conquer; it is hysteria and scapegoating. * Fascism is the destruction of communism. * Fascism is state-legal murder. * Fascism is racism and anti-Semitism. * Fascism is the way they defend corporate Amerikkka and profits. Germany was capitalism in the employ of the Nazis to destroy socialism and perpetrate the holocaust. America had similar aims, the destruction of socialism and socialists, many of whom were Jewish. Many monopolists supported Germany and the financial buildup of German and Italian fascism. But, when Nazi German became a threat to corporate interests in Amerikkka, it was time to go to war against Germany. It was a phony war. NATO are shock troops of imperialism and carry the banner of false democracy and liberty while conducting acts of aggression. Thousands of Nazi war criminals were expatriated to Amerikka because the objectives of monopoly capitalism is to oppose class antagonisms, liberation movements, communist ideology. The ideological war against communism/socialism continues. And the rewriting of world history is part of that ideological war. The truth is the enemy of fascist capitalism. There is class struggle and an awareness of this is necessary for our struggle. The Golem FASCISM: A FALSE RVOLUTION by Michael Parenti Fascism is a false revolution. It makes a revolutionary appeal without making an actual revolution. It propagates the widely proclaimed New Order while serving the same old monied interests. Before World War I, Benito Mussolini was a socialist, but the minute the wealthy classes in Italy offered him financial support and power, he didn't hesitate to switch sides. (We know about people who switch sides, don't we?) And with the huge sums he got from wealthy interests, Mussolini was able to project himself onto the national scene as the leader of a movement that specialized in attacking unions, peasant farm cooperatives, socialists, communists, and anarchists. After World War I, to maintain profit levels, the large industrialists and big land owners had to slash wages and raise prices. The state, in turn, had to provide the big owners with massive subsidies and tax exemptions. To finance this corporate welfarism, the populists had to be taxed more heavily, and social welfare expenditures drastically cut. (Does all of this sound familiar?) But the government wasn't completely free to apply harsh measures because many Italian workers and peasants had their own unions and fairly strong political organizations. With demonstrations, strikes, boycotts, factory takeovers, they won substantial concessions in wages and work conditions and the right to organize and were able to defend their standard of living. To roll back that standard of living and to get the economic changes that the plutocrats and tycoons wanted, the ruling interests had to abolish the democratic rights that helped workers and peasants defend that standard. The solution was to smash their organizations and their political liberties. The leaders of industry, along with top bankers and agribusiness associations, met with Mussolini to plan and finance the so-called "Fascist Revolution." Within two years after seizing state power, Mussolini had shut down all opposition newspapers and crushed the socialist, liberal, Catholic, democratic, and republican parties, which together had commanded about 80% of the vote. In Germany, there was a very similar pattern of complicity between fascists and capitalists. German workers and farm laborers had won the eight-hour day, unemployment insurance, the right to unionize. They had built very powerful political organizations, but heavy industry and big finance were in a state of near total collapse. Business wanted to cut wages and get tax-cuts and massive state subsidies to revive profit levels. The German tycoons greatly increased their subsidies to Hitler, and the Nazi party was propelled onto the national stage. Who did Mussolini and Hitler support once they seized state power? In both countries a strikingly similar agenda was pursued. Labor unions and strikes were outlawed, union property and publications were confiscated, farm cooperatives were handed over to rich private owners, big agribusiness farming was heavily subsidized. In both Germany and Italy the already modest wages of the
[CTRL] European Royal History: Bookstore
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.eurohistory.com/erh_bookstore.htm Click Here: A HREF="http://www.eurohistory.com/erh_bookstore.htm"European Royal History: Our Bookstore/A - updated 12/15/99 Following are the many royal history books readers/visitors can purchase from us. To order any of these titles simply contact us by mail, email or telephone. Payment in US$ must be made received before shipping. Table of Contents European Courts Austria Balkans Belgium Brazil France Germany Italy Portugal Russia Scandinavia Spain United Kingdom Key symbols N=New OP=Out of print A=Antiquarian Pb=Paperback Hb=Hard bound R=Reprint I=Import DJ=Dust jacket We now accept the following major credit cards! The Coat of Arms of the Royal House of Orange-Nassau European Courts: Alford, Kenneth. The Spoils of War: the American Military's role in stealing Europe's art treasures. Carol Publishing, 1994. HARDBOUND/DUSTJACKET/NEW $24.00 Alexander, Grand Duke of Russia. Twilight of Royalty. The famed memoirs of the brother-in-law of Nicholas II. A rare book! Antiquarian/Hardbound. (1932) $37.00 Almanach de Gotha 1850-1910, we have several editions at $65.00 each. Almanach de Gotha 1999. A genealogical tool covering the royal, princely and highest aristocratic houses of Europe. New/Hardbound/Import $100.00 Aronson, Theo. Crowns in Conflict. Tragedy overwhelmed royal Europe as the cousinhood went to war in 1914. (1986). Out of print/Hardbound/DUST JACKET. $32.00 Balansó, Juan. Los Reales Primos de Europa. An interesting book about Europeís royal cousinhood. (Spanish-1992) New/Paperback/Import. $40.00. Barrus, Pamela. Dream Sleeps: Castle and Palace Hotels of Europe. A tour guide for the royal traveler. It lists over 100 palaces and castles throughout Europe converted into hotels. New/Paperback. (1998) $17.95 Curley, Walter J.P. Monarchs in Waiting. Hutchison, 1975. Hardbound/Dustjacket $20.00 Devere-Summers, Anthony. War and the Royal Houses of Europe in the Twentieth Century. New/Hardbound/Import $34.00 Eilers, Marlene. Queen Victoria's Descendants. Second edition of this very good study of all of Queen Victoria and Prince Albert's descendants throughout Europe and the world. New/Hardbound/Import $48.00. Europas Fürstenhäuser. A pictorial book in tabletop format containing the leading princely and ducal houses of Europe. $76.00. (in German) New/Hardbound/Import/DUST JACKET Europas Köenigshäuser. A pictorial book in tabletop format with articles on the ruling families of Europe today. $66.00. (in German) New/Hardbound/I/DUST JACKET. Fenyvesi, Charles. Splendour in Exile. An interesting collection of interviews with Europeís ex-monarchs. 1979. Hardbound $24.00 Hall. Trevor. The Golden Age of Royalty: Photography from 1858-1930. Chartwell Books, 1981. Hardbound/Dustjacket $35.00 Hegermann-Lindencrone, L. de. In The Courts of Memory. (1932) Antiquarian/Hardbound/Out of print. (1912). $22.00 HRH Infanta Eulalia of Spain. Courts and Countries after the War. A memoir of the rebellious aunt of King Alfonso XIII. Antiquarian/Hardbound. (1930). $38.00 Judd, Dennis. The Eclipse of Kings. European monarchies in the Twentieth Century. A collection of rare royal photos. Hardbound/Dustjacket $45.00 Lalor, William Mead. Royalty Between the Wars. An excellent compendium of royal photos, many never-before-seen, of Europeís royal families between 1918-1939. Among the best books of 1999! New/Hardbound $37.50 Louda, Jiri and Michael Maclagan. Heraldry and the royal families of Europe. Clarksson . Potter, Inc., 1981. Hardbound/Dustjacket $45.00 Marek, George. The Eagle's Die. Harper and Row, 1974. Hardbound/Dustjacket $27.00 Massie, Robert K. and Jeffrey Finestone. The Last Courts of Europe. One of the best pictorial royal history books ever printed. It covers all of the royal houses of Europe between 1860 and 1914. Rare/Import/Hardbound/DUSTJACKET $78.00 Ormond, Franz Xavier Winterhalter and the Courts of Europe: 1830-1870. A wonderful book filled with plates of the many famed paintings produced by this most prolific of court-portraits artists: Franz Xavier Winterhalter. Hardbound/Dustjacket/Import $65.00 Rhl, John, et al. Purple Secret. A wonderful study of hereditary illness in the royal houses of Europe from the Stuarts to the Saxe-Meiningen, as well as Victoriaís English and European descendants. New/Paperback/Import $26.00 Randall, Richard. Royal Misbehavior: Crazy Kings and Kooky Queens. (1989) Paperback/Out of print. $15.00 Starke Verlag. Handbuch des Adels: Fürstlicherhäuser, Gräflicherhäuser. The German successor to the Almanach de Gotha. Contact us for information on volume availability! Volumes III-XV available...each priced differently. New/Import/Hardbound-gold trimmed! Scott, Jonathan F. Twilight of the Kings. Reynal and Hitchcock, 1938. Antiquarian/Hardbound $23.00 Taylor, Edmond. The Fall of the Dynasties. The climactic end of monarchy in Russia, Germany and Austria-Hungary. Out of print/Hardbound/DUST JACKET $22.00 Tuchman,
[CTRL] Iranian Newswire
-Caveat Lector- . I occasionally monitor the Iranian Newswire, to pickup on the latest going-ons there. http://www.irna.com/ From that source this morning Anti-US, anti-Israeli Rally held in Tehran Tehran, Nov 3, IRNA -- To mark the "National Day of Struggle Against Global Arrogance", a large group of people held a rally in front of the former U.S. embassy in Tehran to express their hatred towards America and the usurper Zionist regime. The demonstrators shouted "Death to U.S." and "Death to Israel" as they marched through Tehran streets towards the former embassy which is better known in Iran as the "nest of spies". Today, Aban 13 (Nov 3) marks three important events: anniversary of takeover of the former U.S. embassy in Tehran by the Muslim Students Following the Imam's Line, anniversary of exile of the late Founder of the Islamic Republic Imam Khomeini by the ex-shah, and the Students Day (the day early after the revolution when several students were martyred) The demonstrators also shouted slogans in support of Palestine and called for "unity" as the "only key to victory." The ralliers, before proceeding to the site of the Friday prayers at the Tehran University, issued a resolution in condemnation of the U.S. and Israeli atrocities in occupied Palestine. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] RealClear Politics - Media Coverage
All the political news and polls in one location. More info than you would ever ant to know! Amelia http://www.realclearpolitics.com/media.html RealClear Politics - Media Coverage.url
[CTRL] RealClear Politics - Polls
This is the link for the polls. All the major ones, state by state on charts for easy comparison. Amelia http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Polls/polls-Critical_States.html RealClear Politics - Polls.url
[CTRL] Bin Laden's name raised again
-Caveat Lector- Bin Laden's name raised again An intelligence primer on America's archnemesis By Robert Windrem NBC NEWS NEW YORK, Oct. 18 - Like Carlos the Jackal and Abu Nidal, Osama bin Laden has become a nemesis of the West, particularly the United States. His role in the deadly attack on a U.S. destroyer in Yemen is unclear, but American officials automatically regard him as a suspect in such cases. SLOWLY BUT SURELY, the United States has been building a database on bin Laden and his al-Qaeda guerrilla network, a database that has helped law enforcement and intelligence foil some plots, but not all, before they are carried out. As one high-ranking U.S. official said recently, "You cannot overestimate the threat this man poses to the United States." Here is a look at bin Laden's organization, according to U.S. intelligence and law enforcement sources, all of whom spoke on condition of anonymity. Where is Osama bin Laden? Most recently, he has been seen near Jalalabad, in eastern Afghanistan. He moves three or more times a week, living in mud huts, tent cities and caves. He is accompanied by a security entourage that includes heavily armed bodyguards as well as anti-aircraft guns mounted on trucks. Often, multiple sites are set up for his use and he will choose one at the last minute. He is believed to have a coterie of 400 operatives in Afghanistan, most having arrived with him from Sudan in 1996. How often does U.S. intelligence know where he is? In recent months, U.S. intelligence has gotten a better grasp on how he operates and where. "We are getting better at finding him. There are days and days where we don't know where he is," said one U.S. official. On other days, the United States has "different degrees of specificity as to where he is. Does he move every night? Not every night ... but he moves a lot." At the time of the embassy bombings, the United States had no idea where he was. How does he communicate? This is his biggest problem. The United States has successfully compromised his communications. One official said, "He's stopped using satellite phones. although we've caught many of his couriers; it only takes fifty bucks to buy someone in Afghanistan." Bin Laden used Inmarsat phones until he discovered that U.S. operatives were intercepting his communications off the Inmarsat-3 satellite over the Indian Ocean. For years, the National Security Agency would distribute transcripts of calls bin Laden made to subordinates. One of the biggest breaks in the embassy bombing investigation was the interception of a congratulatory phone call in the days after the blasts. Wanted: Osama bin Laden Other officials note the clever combination of 19th and 20th century means of communications bin Laden has adapted. His couriers often carry encrypted floppy disks and meet in third countries with couriers from target nations. Once in the hands of the target nation's cell, the information is de-encrypted. Bin Laden has also used faxes from remote locations and in some cases, Internet-based e-mail. In addition to encryption, al-Qaeda has used various code words and aliases to disguise identities. Bin Laden has been described in al-Qaeda communications as "the sheik," "Hajj," "Abu Abdullah," and "the director." Fazul Abdullah Mohammed, the alleged mastermind of the embassy bombings, used at least three aliases, and Ramzi Yousef, the convicted mastermind of the World Trade Center bombing, used 15 as well as 11 passports. One law enforcement source said al-Qaeda has been trying to recruit Americans as couriers, knowing an American passport is easier to use worldwide. Can he travel outside Afghanistan? Bin Laden is believed to have access to "several planes," the ownership of which is "a bit cloudily ... but there are certainly enough aircraft to move a rather tall terrorist," said one senior U.S. intelligence official. Bin Laden traveled around the Muslim world in charter jets for years prior to his exile in Afghanistan. He also owns a private jet, said another intelligence official. How is Bin Laden's network, al-Qaeda, structured? Bin Laden is the undisputed leader, called "emir" or "prince," by his followers, who must take a sworn oath to him. Any violation is punishable by death. Beneath him is the "shura al-majlis" or "consultative council," which includes his top lieutenants. His two aides are Egyptians: Ayman al-Zawahiri, a physician and leader of al-Jihad, the violent Egyptian group responsible for the Luxor tourist massacre in 1995, and Muhammed Atef, his military commander, who also served in al-Jihad. A committee of the council makes the decisions to carry out terrorist attacks. Where does al-Qaeda operate? Al-Qaeda is believed to have operations in 60 countries, and active cells in 20, including the United States. It is
Re: [CTRL] Bush Finally Admits DUI Arrest
Title: RE: [CTRL] Bush Finally Admits DUI Arrest I think you meant, did he even TRY to rescue her? In which he didn't. Let's see now... Did Bush drive his car off a bridge while drunk? Did a female passenger drown? Did he fail to recue her? Since none of these things happened, Bush obviously is totally worthless. ### Those who expect to reap the benefits of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it. - Thomas Paine
[CTRL] Why Israel Hasn't Attacked
Title: Why Israel Hasn't Attacked BOMBSHELL ON MICHAEL SAVAGE SHOW! I just had the opportunity to talk to a man who scared the hell out of me. We will just use his first name. He is James, a physician and a former combat pilot, a major who saw combat duty in Korea and had been shot down a few times. He who helped train Israeli pilots. James just made a call to the Savage show and the producer left him my number. He was gracious enough to call me. James just got back from a visit to Israel and told Michael on the air and then me off the air things which should worry everyone. His Isreali contacts go as high as brigadier general. My head is still spinning, but here are some of the highlights: - Israel was prepared to make a surgical strike WHEN IT RECEIVED A CALL FROM THE WHITE HOUSE AND ORDERED IT TO STAND DOWN! - Clinton has threatened to cut off diesel oil if Israel does not follow his directions - .Six months ago the U.S. was supposed to ship Israel diesel equipment but it was never sent. - Doctors and scientists are fleeing Israel. This situation is more serious than we have been led to believe. - young people between 20-26 are leaving Israel en masse - Arab millionaires are financing a coordinated effort in the Arab states because they see a real chance, thanks to Bill Clinton, to destroy Israel - African mercenaries have been hired as private guards to protect worshipers at the Wailing Wall - Arabs are mocking Christian and actually urinating on holy sites - when people go into an Arab controlled area to plant an olive tree in remembrance of a loved one who died, the tree is actually ripped out of the ground by Arabs after the people leave. James saw that happen. James is going to appear at Michael Savage's NAME 'EM AND SHAME 'EM event in San Francisco over the weekend. He has a story to tell that needs to be heard. In his opinion, a Gore victory will further encourage Arab terrorists and could lead to the destruction of Israel. The terrorists have felt very empowered with Clinton in office. These are very dangerous times. James believes that if we moved our carrier group from the Adriatic and demonstrated a show of force, we might be able to stem this dangerous tide. He also has very disturbing info regarding the Cole. Officers who want to tell America things we need to know have been threatened into silence. God bless you, doctor. If we FReepers have anything to say about it, your voice is going to be heard! Godspeed. There's More! * I sent the above to James in a hurry and he added the following in an e-mail: Dear Doug: The shipment was a major desalinization plant developed by the Navy on former very large super-tanker and which along with other Army portables could provide enough potable and drinkable water for the major cities as well as begin to backup their reservoir supplies,,this was a done deal but cancelled by Clintonthe diesel fired power station is also very vulnerable to terrorist Arab attacks and lies almost on the sea in Tel Aviv,,,their is little or no safeguards to defend this vital lifeline,,, I questioned my former Colonel friend he he stated that a POLITICAL DECISION HAD BEEN MADE BY BARAK TO DO THIS SO AS TO CALM THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL NOT TO WORRY,,,IF THEY SAW TROOPS AND MILITARY ARMOR,,NEAR THE POWER STATION...THEY MIGHT BEGIN TO LEAVE THE COLUNTRY IN DROVES. Furthermore, their intelligence sources have determined movement of heavy Arab armor towards Israel and they expect an internal civil war and bomb attacks to occur simultaneously with external breakouts and attacks by other Arab nations across their frontiers..this is why the Israeli Army was poised for s surgical strike and were called down because of a telephone call by Clinton to Barak,,, They were told they could do nothing without the USA not knowing about it,,,because all their communications equipment was being monitored, and that if they went ahead to do anything,,,that the USA would alert their Arab neighbors,,,In addition, he and other ranking military officers stated that the main problem that they have is water,,,water and water,,and that this is been brought up to Albright time after time,,and to Clinton by Barak OVER THE LAST EIGHT YEARS TO NO AVAILwhy didnt this administration help the Israelis establish other water supplies,,we have done this for every d*mn Arab country in the world as well as in Africa ,,,with countries who murdered our troops,,the time to do something is now,,before the clock runs out on the Israeli people,You are doing a good job,, Kindest personal regards,,JAMES
[CTRL] Fw: PALESTINIANS, NOT ISRAELIS, KILLED THE 12-YEAR-OLD BOY
-Caveat Lector- Arutz-7 news: PALESTINIANS, NOT ISRAELIS, KILLED THE 12-YEAR-OLD BOY 31 October 2000 http://www.israelnationalnews.com/english/newspaper/news/fnews.htm http://www.israelnationalnews.com/english/newspaper/news/fnews.htm An IDF investigation and re-enactment appears to show conclusively that the 12-year-old boy from Gaza, Muhammad al-Dura, was not shot by Israeli soldiers * but was rather the victim of a cruel plot staged by Palestinian sharp-shooters and a television cameraman. The incident in question occurred on Oct. 6, when the boy and his father happened to be walking past the scene of a major battle between Palestinian snipers and Israeli soldiers. Former IDF sniper Yosef Doriel, who initiated the re-enactment, said that he had several reasons to suspect that it was not the Israelis who shot the boy. "For one thing, the boy and his father were hiding behind and to the left of a barrel that was between them and the Israeli forces," he told Arutz-7 today. "In the video clip, you see four clean bullet holes to the side of them. These were not shot by the Israelis - they are 'clean' and full holes, not mere grazes that would have been formed by the 30-degree angle of the Israelis - but rather by Palestinians (stationed more directly in front of the father and son) to make sure that the two would stay put. Suddenly, you see the boy lying down in his father's lap, with another bullet hole in the wall directly behind him - again, it could not have come from the IDF position, which was behind the barrel and to the side, but only from the Palestinian position, which was more directly in front of the father and son. This is the bullet that went through his stomach and out of his back. At that point in the video, you can hear the firing - but the Israeli position was far away! Rather, what happened was that a Palestinian advanced to a spot very close to the photographer, and shot the fatal shot. You can also notice that at that moment of the fatal shots, the photographer suddenly 'shook' and the picture was blurred - a signal that the shots came from close to him." Doriel and a fellow physicist, Nachum Shachaf, proposed that O.C. Southern Command Yom Tov Samiyeh oversee a re-enactment of the entire incident, complete with the barrel and life-size dummies. Doriel concludes: "The Palestinian forces staged the event. The Israelis were firing, for sure - but the fatal shots came not from them, but from the Palestinian position in front of the boy, behind the cameraman." - A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: UFO abductions and otherworldly experiences-all in the mind?
-Caveat Lector- The "sleep paralysis" explanation covers a particular part of the abduction phenomenon but by no means all, or even the greater part of it. And most importantly, to my mind, it doesn't account for the strong phenomenological similrity bewween UFO abductions and near-death experiences -- by no means all of which occur in a state of being near to death, and few if any of which involve hypnosis. On the other hand, Michael A. Persinger has developed a theory that abduction experiences involve microseizures in the temporal lobe, and he has provided a number of empirical studies that support this theory. His theory covers both differences in predisposing factors within individuals and external, precipitating events. His theory does cover the similarity between abduction experiences and NDEs. Furthermore, his temporal lobe theory integrates a host of related phenomena, including hypnotic suggestibility, mystical experiences, and OBEs. He's published over 50 articles on this topic; the following is a nice introductory overview to his research programme: Persinger, M. A. (1983). Religious and mystical experiences as artifacts of temporal lobe function: A general hypothesis. Perceptual and Motor Skills, 57, 1255-1262. -- - -- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: 'Truth test' to uncover false rape allegations
-Caveat Lector- THE INDEPENDENT news | UK | This_Britain | 2000-10 'Truth test' to uncover false rape allegations As number of sex crimes rises but conviction rate falls, 'lie detector' could help police weed out bogus claims By Jason Bennetto, Crime Correspondent 31 October 2000 A "lie-detector" test to help uncover false allegations of rape is being developed by the police and criminologists. Between 10 and 41 per cent of allegations of rape are made up by the "victim", according to previous research. In the new test, a claimant's statement is analysed and points are given from a list of set clues people who have made up a rape allegation get a low score, while genuine complaints get a high score. Using this technique in two studies, police officers and researchers had a success rate of between 72 and 100 per cent in identifying genuine rape victims from liars. All the cases were real-life examples selected because of the existence of strong evidence, such as closed-circuit television footage, to prove the defendants' guilt or innocence. Full text: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/UK/This_Britain/2000-10/truth311000.shtml A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Multicultural brainwashing in Britain
-Caveat Lector- Prince Charles 'should have married black woman' By Alice Thomson http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac=003643439617680rtmo=gwSGjNnuatmo=r rvspg=/et/00/10/17/ngav17.html Report of the Commission on the Future of Multi-Ethnic Britain - Runnymede Trust Racial equality unit - Home Office Commission for Racial Equality Institute of Race Relations Runnymede trustees stay defiant to shrug off fuss THE Prince of Wales should have married a black woman as a symbol of his support for multi-cultural Britain, according to a member of the race relations think tank the Runnymede Trust. Lady Gavron, vice-chairman of the commission that produced last week's controversial report on the future of multi-ethnic Britain, said the Royal Family should take a lead in promoting racial integration. "It would have been great if Prince Charles had been told to marry someone black. Imagine what message that would have sent out," she said yesterday. She did not want to "get rid of" the Royal Family. "We don't need them but they're fun for tourists to look at." But she said they sent out the wrong message about Britain today. "They're a symbol of our unmeritocratic tendency and, of course, they're all white. It is part of a very unattractive hierarchy." Lady Gavron believes that Prince Charles's stated wish to be defender of faiths rather than Defender of the Faith when he becomes Supreme Governor of the Church of England is not enough. Yesterday she complained that the hereditary peerage was also too Anglo-Saxon. She said: "Anything hereditary is completely anachronistic and illogical; you wouldn't have an hereditary cricket team. At least this government has made some peers from ethnic minority groups." Kate Gavron is the wife of the publisher Lord Gavron, who was made a life peer after donating £500,000 to the Labour Party before the last general election. The report by the Commission on the Future of Multi-Ethnic Britain, which was launched by the Home Secretary, Jack Straw, nearly three years ago, suggested that much of Britain's history needed to be reappraised. Lady Gavron said yesterday: "We need to acknowledge that there are different ways of looking at history. The problem with the empire was the inequality of power. It was something we did to the Indians and Africans, not with them." However, she does not believe that British history should be totally rewritten. "We should keep the name Trafalgar Square. If you got rid of everything associated with anything bad you'd have nothing at all. A lot of street names coincided with the height of the Victorian empire and the peak of our colonial power, but we can't scrap all of them. We'd have to start losing the Norman names too if we were being purist." She said she loved hymns such as Jerusalem and I Vow To Thee My Country. "I am embarrassed by the words but the music is wonderful." In an interview with The Telegraph, she said that the Runnymede Trust had received a stream of offensive telephone calls since its report was published. "We've had non-stop hate mail. We had to turn the telephones off, there were so many racist calls. One started, 'Dear creeps, why don't you go and live abroad? Why not France, they're a bunch of bastards there as well.' A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] DEADLY RIOTS the UNITED NATIONS
-Caveat Lector- DEADLY RIOTS the UNITED NATIONS by Emanuel A. Winston, a Middle East analyst commentator Strangely, most of the members of the United Nations who voted that Israel had used excessive force, themselves have killed attacking rioters in time past. Rioters who are prepared to use and do use deadly force must be stopped before they reach their victims. Clearly, the countries in U.N. feel they may have the right to suppress lynch mobs in their own countries but, they seem to believe that Israel must allow her enemies freedom to commit their pogroms of shooting, firebombs and thrown rocks in order to kill Jews. This was the custom in these European and Islamic Mideast countries. So far this is âonlyâ a mini War of Attrition with the Arab nationsâ Armies standing by to join in if they think Israel is vulnerable enough to fall this time. The Arab nations have always used deadly force with no restraint and no apologies to the U.N. or the world at large. The Egyptians have frequently used deadly force to contain the Muslim Brotherhood who attack Egyptian institutions. When the Palestinians rioted on the Egyptian side of the border with Gaza at the start of the first Intifada in 1989, Egypt had her policemen indiscriminately gun down the rioters with submachine guns and then get back into their vehicles, leaving 20-30 rioters dead on the ground. The Egyptians riots (Intifada) in Egypt ended. (The U.N. did NOT vote condemnation of Egypt.) In Jordan September 1970 King Hussein had his Army kill an estimated 10,000 of Arafatâs Palestinians, with the rest fleeing to Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Iran. Arafatâs gun-toting PLO was going to take over Jordan but Hussein moved faster and with greater force. This was called Black September with no apologies by King Hussein. (The U.N. did NOT vote condemnation of Jordan.) Later Arafat created a mini-PLO state inside Lebanon while killing more than 75,000 Lebanese Christians and Muslims. Arafatâs law of killing off his enemies to make more room for his Palestinians was his formal foreign policy - which led to a 12 year Civil War and a total of over 100,000 dead. (The U.N. did NOT vote condemnation.) Arafat has initiated an almost identical war against Israel as he did in Lebanon. The U.N. did NOT vote to condemn Syria for ignoring the TAIF agreement wherein they committed to leave Lebanon. The U.N. did NOT vote to condemn Syria for taking over Lebanon with 35,000 to 40,000 troops; for using the Bekaâa Valley in Lebanon as a opium field which produced 20% of the heroin smuggled into America; or for undermining world currency by counterfeiting $100 bills. In 1982 the IDF (Israel Defense Force) came into Lebanon to counter Arafatâs terror attacks and to prevent his âMarch on Jerusalemâ (according to documents and weapons discovered in huge bunkers and deep, long tunnels). The Lebanese people welcomed the IDF with flowers, expecting to be delivered from Arafatâs brutal tyranny. Later Syria, with U.S. and U.N. silent approval, occupied Lebanon with 35,000 troops where they remain to this day. (The U.N. DID vote to condemn Israel and left the Syrians entrenched and in power against the Lebanese.) In Syria Hafez al Assad dealt with those who opposed him with Genocidal deadly force. Who can forget that he and his brother Rifat surrounded the town of Hamma and, with artillery and tank gun fire, leveling the city? Or that Assad went over the rubble with poison gas to insure that survivors would be gassed to death? The nations and media were virtually silent about this massacre killing of an estimated 20,000 Syrians. (The United Nations did NOT condemn Assad.) More recently, Saddam Hussein of Iraq attacked Kuwait, with the assistance of Arafatâs Palestinians who worked in Kuwait. They not only became a fifth column inside their host (Arab) country but they guided Saddamâs troops in their rape, massacre and pillaging of their Kuwaiti hosts. After the Gulf War, Desert Storm, the Kuwaitis paid them back in kind by killing and torturing those they caught. The Kuwaitis ejected more than 300,000 Palestinians into Jordan as untrustworthy and deadly enemies. (The U.N. did NOT vote condemnation for this transfer or killing of the rampaging Palestinians.) At the same time Saudi Arabia deported into Jordan an equal number of Palestinians who had worked there (approximately 350,000) because they were considered a deadly threat to the country and to the Royal Family. (The U.N. did NOT condemn this transfer of Palestinians.) Palestinian Arabs led by Yassir Arafat have been recognized as traitors to their countries of residence and disrupters of nations. All the Arab countries cut off funds and support for Arafat because they considered him the ultimate betrayer and never to be trusted. In brief, these are the same Arab countries who pushed the vote of condemnation of Israel in the U.N. for using âexcessiveâ force against Palestinian rioters who used deadly
[CTRL] How smart are the candidates
-Caveat Lector- http://www.vny.com/cf/news/upidetail.cfm?QID=128747 How smart are the candidates? Part 1 of 3 Wednesday, 18 October 2000 1:22 (ET) How smart are the candidates? Part 1 of 3 By STEVE SAILER, UPI National Correspondent LOS ANGELES, Oct. 17 (UPI) -- A recent "This Modern World" comic strip about the presidential debates featured the "Gorebot" admonishing voters: "Foolish humans! Do you not recognize the superior processing capabilities of my advanced neural network?" In reply, a George W. Bush drawn so as to highlight his unfortunate resemblance to Alfred E. Neuman, Mad magazine's "What, me worry?" cover kid, sniggers, "Get a load of the brainiac." As amusing as these widespread stereotypes are, voters need to ask whether Vice President Al Gore really is the closest carbon-based life-form to the supersmart HAL 9000 talking computer from the movie "2001:. A Space Odyssey." And is Bush truly as dumb as a box of rocks? Is there objective evidence to support these clichés? And even if it turned out that Gore's IQ towered over Bush's, would this tell us that Gore would make a better president? Fortunately, in 2000 the public has available more unbiased data on the intelligence of the candidates than ever. A variety of SAT and IQ scores have leaked out, allowing voters to compare candidates to each other or to themselves. But, what do these numbers mean? Can these test results be set in perspective? Part 2 of this series will cover the surprising consensus of IQ experts, political scientists, and historians on just how important innate intelligence is in the making of a good president. Perceptions of candidates' intelligence have long played a major role in American politics, as have attempts to manipulate those perceptions. Misspelling the word "potato," for example, was one of the many mis-steps that doomed former Vice President Dan Quayle's presidential ambitions. Thus, it's hardly surprising that some candidates have cultivated an image of brilliance. For example, Joseph Kennedy Sr. spent heavily on the ghostwriters who largely concocted the two nonfiction bestsellers published under his son John's name. JFK even won the Pulitzer Prize for "Profiles in Courage," which is now known to be mostly the work of speechwriter Theodore Sorenson. In reality, John Kennedy possessed a fine but hardly dazzling brain. According to historian Thomas C. Reeves, author of "A Question of Character: A Life of John F. Kennedy," in prep school JFK scored 119 on an IQ test. Although a 10th of the population scores higher than 119, a recent C-SPAN poll of 58 historians rated Kennedy as possessing the eight strongest leadership qualities of all 41 presidents. Similarly, the Democratic nominee in 1952 and 1956, Adlai Stevenson, portrayed himself as an intellectual. The press created the term "egghead" to describe the bald and supposedly scholarly Stevenson. In truth, Stevenson's resume was similar to Bush's. Stevenson was the grandson of Grover Cleveland's second vice president. As a rich socialite, Stevenson barely scraped through Princeton and Northwestern. After a nondescript early career, Stevenson unexpectedly became the popular and reasonably competent governor of Illinois. He then ran for president only four years later. At his death, the only book found resting upon his bedside table was "The Social Register." In sharp contrast, the man who twice beat Stevenson, Dwight Eisenhower, took pains to hide his considerable brainpower. He found it expedient to present himself as a kindly old duffer interested mostly in golf and Zane Grey's cowboy novels. This masquerade fooled even the historians of the time, who somehow assumed that the organizer of the staggeringly complex D-Day invasion had the IQ of a tree stump. Shortly after Eisenhower left office, a poll of historians rated him one of the 10 worst presidents. After Ike's death, however, a new generation of historians unearthed much evidence supporting the opinion of his vice president, Richard Nixon, that Eisenhower was "The most devious man I ever came across in politics." Therefore, this year's C-SPAN poll of historians rated him one of the 10 strongest presidential leaders. There are many valid objections to relying excessively on the IQ test and its close cousin, the college admissions exam, to judge candidates. IQ critic Howard Gardner, a Harvard professor who theorizes that there are between seven and nine "multiple intelligences," responded to an inquiry about Gore and Bush's test scores, "Many thoughtful people, including me, feel that the IQ test only captures aspects of scholastic intelligence and is quite remote from other important intellectual faculties." For all their limitations, IQ-style tests have a one unique advantage. While they certainly don't reveal the whole truth about someone, they can't intentionally lie. Professional spinmeisters can manipulate their clients' images, but they can't manipulate their old test scores.
[CTRL] government hiding papers on U.N. peace missions
-Caveat Lector- http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/11/02/peace.keeping.study.ap/index.html Investigators say government hiding papers on U.N. peace missions November 2, 2000 Web posted at: 6:39 PM EST (2339 GMT) WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Clinton administration is withholding information from investigators on how the United States decided to get involved in four of the U.N.'s largest peacekeeping operations, the General Accounting Office says. "This is clearly inappropriate and unacceptable," said Henry L. Hinton Jr., assistant comptroller of the GAO, Congress' investigative arm. Investigators say the lack of cooperation by the State Department, Defense Department and National Security Council since March is holding up a probe into whether the administration followed guidelines on approving U.S. support for peacekeeping missions in Kosovo, Sierra Leone, Congo and East Timor. The House International Relations Committee asked for the study to see if the administration follows its own 1994 guidelines for considering things such as the cost of the mission and number of troops involved, whether it meets the objective and if there is a deadline or exit strategy. Peacekeeping missions have been an issue in Congress, where some lawmakers fear the United States is getting involved in too many and providing too large a share of their costs. They also have become an issue in the U.S. presidential election with Republican candidate Texas Gov. George W. Bush advocating a diminished U.S. peacekeeping role in Europe and Democratic nominee Vice President Al Gore countering that such a position demonstrates a "lack of judgment and a complete misunderstanding of history." In pursuing its investigation of the four missions, the GAO said Wednesday that unless investigators get the information they need for their probe within a week it will issue a rarely used "formal demand letter" to the three government entities, roughly the agency's equivalent to a legal subpoena. Investigators say the State Department and NSC have failed to hand over some documents related to the investigation and handed over others that were so heavily edited they "provided little useful information," Hinton said in a letter Wednesday to the House International Relations Committee. "One 20-page unclassified document had a note on its cover page that ... it could be shared with U.S. allies and the United Nations, yet the remainder of the document was completely redacted, its pages completely blacked out," he said. The GAO says the Pentagon waited to see how the State Department was going to handle GAO access to records and didn't agree to begin searching for its own until mid-September -- six months after the probe began in March. Pentagon officials say they plan to have the search done by Nov. 6 but don't know when GAO can have access to the records. "We're doing the best we can," said Pentagon spokesman Lt. Col. George Rhynedance. "We're a large organization and we're trying to do a comprehensive search." The Clinton administration said it has offered to give the GAO a private briefing on the matter but doesn't want to release the documents because of the fear such an action would discourage others from offering frank advice. Rep. Benjamin A. Gilman, R-New York, who chairs the House International Relations Committee, introduced a resolution in the House expressing "concern at the administration's lack of cooperation." The United Nations is currently involved in 15 peacekeeping operations involving nearly 38,000 civilian and military staff. The United States has pressed the United Nations to keep a zero-growth budget for the past several years as part of its demand for a reformed and streamlined organization. But the United States has also been at the forefront of demands for an enlarged and more efficient peacekeeping department to cope with the new peacekeeping challenges in, among other places, Kosovo, East Timor and Sierra Leone. Copyright 2000 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A
Re: [CTRL] Why Israel Hasn't Attacked
Title: Why Israel Hasn't Attacked - Original Message - From: Stopforth, Jamie To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 November 2000 17:15 Subject: [CTRL] Why Israel Hasn't Attacked In his opinion, a Gore victory will further encourage Arab terrorists and could lead to the destruction of Israel. good thing too. too much fucking propaganda on this list- sooner you americanos elect your choice of puppet the better.
[CTRL] Fwd: Release: Computer Crime
-Caveat Lector- From: Libertarian Party Announcements [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- === NEWS FROM THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY 2600 Virginia Avenue, NW, Suite 100 Washington DC 20037 World Wide Web: http://www.LP.org === For release: November 3, 2000 === For additional information: George Getz, Press Secretary Phone: (202) 333-0008 Ext. 222 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] === New international cybersnooping treaty is all-out attack on privacy, says Browne WASHINGTON, DC -- A new international computer-crime treaty the U.S. government expects to sign this year is an "all-out attack on computer privacy" and should be rejected, Libertarian presidential candidate Harry Browne said today. "This treaty doesn't attack crime," he said. "Instead, it attacks privacy, the Fifth Amendment, and certain kinds of software -- while giving the government awesome new powers to cybersnoop on innocent Americans." The so-called "Draft Convention On Cybercrime" -- the first international computer crime agreement -- is currently being negotiated by the United States and the 41-nation Council of Europe. The treaty, which went through 19 drafts before the Justice Department revealed its existence earlier this year, could be finalized as soon as December, reported Wired.com. However, the U.S. Senate, which must approve all international treaties, should reject it outright, said Browne. "This treaty is just the latest example of politicians trying to prove they are tough on crime," he said. "As usual, they want to give bureaucrats and law enforcement new powers to appear to be fighting crime. And, as usual, it is innocent Americans who will bear the brunt of these new police powers." For example, the treaty would: * Give law enforcement the power to order Americans to reveal a computer password or encryption key -- in apparent violation of the Fifth Amendment's protection against self- incrimination. * Require Internet service providers (ISPs) to conduct real- time surveillance of customers' e-mail messages, at government request. In July, the FBI admitted it had already created a cybersnooping device code-named "Carnivore" that could scan millions of e-mails a second. * Effectively abolish anonymous e-mail by requiring "remailer" websites (which automatically distribute messages after stripping out the sender's name and return address) to collect information about their users. * Require ISPs to store at least 40 days worth of customer data, including e-mails, chat-room transcripts, and website visits, for possible review by the government. * Make illegal certain kinds of common software -- including network security utilities used by computer technicians -- on the grounds that it could be criminally misused by hackers. Although some of those provisions may be dropped in negotiations, Justice Department officials have privately said it is too late to make "major" changes to the treaty, according to the Wall Street Journal. That's why the U.S. Senate should reject the entire document, said Browne. "This treaty was negotiated in secret, with the approval of the same politicians who supported the Communications Decency Act, Know Your Customer, anti-encryption laws, the FBI's Carnivore system, the Clipper Chip, and innumerable other attacks on your privacy," he said. "And this treaty may be even worse than those previous anti-privacy initiatives because it globalizes the government's power to spy on you. "If the U.S. Senate cares about privacy, the civil liberties guaranteed in the Bill of Rights, and the Constitutional limitations on government, it will unanimously reject this Draft Convention On Cybercrime." But for individual Americans concerned about privacy, the problem is bigger than this one treaty, said Browne. "Unfortunately, stopping this treaty won't stop the relentless attacks on your civil liberties, because the same Republican and Democratic politicians will remain in power," he said. "Neither of those parties is dedicated to preserving an airtight individual right to privacy. Only the Libertarian Party is." That's why your vote on November 7 may be the most powerful pro-privacy statement you can make, said Browne. "Libertarians understand that we can't stop government snooping by fighting every new intrusion on your privacy," he said. "Our opponents will win too many of those battles, and government will get more and more intrusive. "Instead, we must fight to take completely away from government the power to enter any area of your life for which it has no explicit Constitutional authority. And the only way to accomplish that is by voting
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Perot endorses Dubya.....new dossier, going up tomorrow, I hope
-Caveat Lector- Perot's son was in the Reserves at Carswell AFB at the same time I was. I believe that Perot was actually blackmailed to throw in the towel when he ran last time, so this makes me wonder why he would do this now. a lot of background information and links at http://ThePiedPiper.tripod.com/index.htm Is a Vote for BUSH a Vote For ASPARTAME? http://ThePiedPiper.tripod.com/aspartame001.htm Adaptable Governmental Philosophies http://ThePiedPiper.tripod.com/communism0001.htm Index of Piper Creations http://ThePiedPiper.tripod.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Why Israel Hasn't Attacked
Title: Why Israel Hasn't Attacked In his opinion, a Gore victory will further encourage Arab terrorists and could lead to the destruction of Israel. good thing too. too much fucking propaganda on this list- sooner you americanos elect your choice of puppet the better. And whythe sooner the better?
[CTRL] Reno, press on 'anti-leak' bill/ CNN
-Caveat Lector- Reno says 'anti-leak' bill will close gap in U.S. security November 2, 2000 Web posted at: 2:43 p.m. EST (1943 GMT) David Williams CNN.com Writer WASHINGTON (CNN) -- U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno said Thursday that a controversial measure that would increase the penalties for leaking classified information will not lead to a dramatic increase in prosecutions. The provision would make the willful disclosure of classified information a felony punishable by up to three years in prison and a $10,000 fine. It cleared the House and Senate as part of the spending bill for intelligence agencies, and President Clinton has until Friday to either sign it or veto. When asked about the bill in her weekly news briefing, Reno said it was needed because current law only covers leaks related to national defense. "That leaves a gap, a very narrow gap involving other material that might not relate to national defense, but could jeopardize various interests of the United States," she said. Reno said the anti-leaking measure would not go after reporters, or other recipients of classified materials. At one point, a reporter asked why the administration is considering strengthening the law, when current restrictions on news leaks are rarely enforced. "I don't think there is a reluctance to prosecute the person who leaks information, but finding that person while at the same time honoring the First Amendment interests of the media is a very difficult task," Reno said. The CIA sought the provision after losing agents and sophisticated surveillance methods because of newspaper articles based on leaks of classified information. When describing why they favor the bill, some U.S. officials cite the example of a leak involving accused terrorist Osama bin Laden. The officials say a news report that U.S. intelligence was monitoring bin Laden's satellite telephone calls caused him to switch to other channels of communication, cutting off that method of U.S. surveillance of his activities. That reaction to the leak may have cost American lives, perhaps even in the bombing of the USS Cole, the officials said. Bin Laden's organization is on the list of possible suspects behind the terrorist attack. "People have been killed," said Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Alabama, who is chairman of the House Select Intelligence Committee. "Men and women that have operated with our agency and with other countries dealing with national security issues, when they are compromised, generally their lives are compromised," he said. But news organizations such as the Washington Post, the New York Times, and CNN sent a letter to the White House urging the president to veto the measure. Rep. Henry Hyde, R-Illinois, also opposes the bill, saying that leaker of the bin Laden satellite phone information could be prosecuted under existing laws. "To put a three year -- up to a three year -- felony sentence for leaking information that doesn't affect our national defense, our national security is overkill," he said. CNN National Security Correspondent David Ensor and Reuters contributed to this report. © 2000 Cable News Network. All Rights Reserved. == http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/11/02/classifiedleaks.ap/index.html News organizations ask Clinton to veto classified leaks bill November 2, 2000 Web posted at: 9:19 AM EST (1419 GMT) WASHINGTON (AP) -- Four of the nation's largest news organizations have asked President Clinton to veto a bill that would expand criminal penalties for government employees who leak secrets. "For the first time in our nation's history, a law would criminalize all unauthorized disclosures of classified information _ in effect creating an 'official secrets act' of the sort that exists elsewhere but that has always been rejected in this country," wrote top executives of the four media organizations in a letter sent Tuesday. Congress passed the legislation in October and sent it to Clinton for approval. Congressional intelligence committee leaders and the Justice Department say it is a tough measure needed to stop the flow of classified information that threatens to undermine national security. Rep. Porter Goss, the Florida Republican who chairs the House Intelligence Committee, has said the provision was "narrowly crafted to protect the rights that all Americans hold dear. It is not, as some will say, an affront to the First Amendment." But critics warn it also could silence whistle-blowers and stop the media from getting information to the public. In their three-page letter to Clinton, executives with CNN, The Washington Post, The New York Times and the Newspaper Association of America criticized the "antileak" law, part of an intelligence agency funding bill, saying it "simply goes too far." The letter said several important stories -- including those involving the Pentagon Papers, the Iran-Contra affair and cases of waste,
Re: [CTRL] Why Israel Hasn't Attacked
Title: Why Israel Hasn't Attacked - Original Message - From: Stopforth, Jamie To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 November 2000 19:18 Subject: Re: [CTRL] Why Israel Hasn't Attacked In his opinion, a Gore victory will further encourage Arab terrorists and could lead to the destruction of Israel. good thing too. too much fucking propaganda on this list- sooner you americanos elect your choice of puppet the better. And whythe sooner the better? sooner the better so that election 2000 propaganda masquerading as serious article will ease off to the natural state once more. If it isn't that it is tedium of the partisan dirge concerned with the eternal middle east 'crisis'. it makes a girlyearn for some of that good ol gun freedom stuff that usually pads the list out.
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Ross Perot Naked
The title of this message is about as appealing as what I saw Ross Perot doing on Larry King last night. My reaction is about the same to the reality of what I saw as it is to the contemplation of the title. Many of you know that I have spoken to Ross Perot, corresponded with him and served as the LA County Press Spokesman for his Presidential Campaign in 1992. Ross did a great job of creating an image over the years, with the assistance of TIME Magazine even, that he and George Bush were enemies. What I saw last night personally convinced me of the lengths that the "ruling elites" will go to, to establish mechanisms of control and create Judas Goats, stalking horses and false fronts. Although I became wise to Perot's true colors after the 1992 campaign there has been one individual on this list who deserves praise for having called this one correctly from the gate - Brian Downing Quig. Good job Brian. You had this one right all along. And, for a while, you had it nailed down better than I did. You missed it on McCain I think but you hit the center Bullseye with your analysis of Perot. My sense of the election is that psychologically we are now offered the choice between the "Don't really care to hide it too much," "We'll kill our enemies but we really like having famous musicians around" sleazoid open corruption of Clinton-Gore or the "I'm a clean and sober responsible good guy at heart" fascist Bush gang on the other. Either one will give us a war in Colombia and a bigger war on drugs. So, with much greater conviction, I am still voting for Ralph Nader on Election Day and that is my endorsement for Election 2000. Mike Ruppert www.copvcia.com www.suppressedwriters.com -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ FONT COLOR="#99"eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! /FONTA HREF="http://click.egroups.com/1/9699/16/_/475667/_/973275297/"BClick Here!/B/A -_-
[CTRL] This might be crude and insensitive but this is what Gore has done...
-Caveat Lector- Forwarded by individual on list which I thought I would pass on for this, is the Real Al Gore - and Stupid is, as Stupid Does.am glad he got caught up on this one - Since this story is a little - well its not as bad as what we have had to read re Clinton and Monica and Hilliary all over the world... Saba Mail message Help From: xDate: Thu, Nov 2, 2000, 11:46am (EST-3) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aleisha Saba) Subject: stuffing pants? maybe this will help explain it. Placement is Everything -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Once upon a time, there were two guys who wanted to pick up women on a beach. One was Italian (Vito) and the other was Russian (Vladamir). Vito had no problem picking up gorgeous women; he was the most popular guy on the beach. But Vladamir had no success. Vladamir: "Vito! How do you do it? How do you attract so many beautiful women?" Vito: "Well, I'll tell ya! But it's a secretjust between you and me. I don't want my system to become too public." Vladamir: "OK. Its a deal." Vito: "You see those potatoes over there? Well, every time I come to the beach I take one and put it in my Speedos. When the women see it they come running from miles around." Vladamir: "That's it? I can do that." The next day, Vladamir went over to the produce stand and picked out the biggest, most perfectly shaped potato he could find. He then went into the changing room and slipped it into his Speedos. As he walked out onto the beach he immediately noticed that women AND men began to take notice of him. "It's working!" he thought. But soon he began to realize that they were not looking interested but rather upset, almost disgusted by the sight of him. He rushed over to Vito and asked "Vito, what's the problem? Why isn't it working?" Vito: "Because you're supposed to put the potato in the front!" Contributed by: Tiki So this is the legend now associated with "Big Al".big dumb Stupid Al... A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: UFO abductions and otherworldly experiences-all in the mind?
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Persinger, M. A. (1983). Religious and mystical experiences as artifacts of temporal lobe function: A general hypothesis. Perceptual and Motor Skills, 57, 1255-1262. -- See also: http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/15.html A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Perot endorses Dubya.....new dossier, going up tomorrow, I hope
-Caveat Lector- Remember AL and Tipper Gore were also both diagnosed with some sort of thyroid problem. At the time, there was speculation concerning the Vice Presidential residence as both they and the Bush pair had occupied it. So does this mean a vote for Gore is also a vote for aspertame? They are both Big Corporation through and through! Amelia A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Fw: PALESTINIANS, NOT ISRAELIS, KILLED THE 12-YEAR-OLD BOY
-Caveat Lector- This is exactly what I thought happened at the time! There were far, far too many kids in the streets mixed among the Palestinians, even those trying to draw fire by throwing rocks. I also saw the women shouting to news reporter "Yes, I want to sacrifice my children to eliminate the Jews." How else could children do anything to the heavily armed Jewish forces other than as sacrificial PR lambs? It is the same as using them to clear mine fields then screaming about the mines injuring innocent children. Why does not the UN intervene in this use of children since that is a great concern of theirs? They should be condemning the use of these youngest of human shields. Also, despite the speculation, there is not yet one shred of evidence that Israel was behind the bombing of the USS Cole but what fun some folks have blaming them for everything that happens. Show me proof! But then so many "just know" these things! Yeah, sure you do. I'd rather meet a Jew in a dark alley as an Arab any time! And I hope the British do not think those British casualties we killed with our own misdirected "friendly fire" in the Gulf War were deliberate. I hope they can forgive us and not be dragging it up over and over again at every chance like some are doing with the USS Liberty, ad nauseum. Our mistake was more recent and we should have had better technology and intelligence. I can't remember if we killed 15 or 23 but those are the numbers that come to my mind. We are hardly in a position to "cast stones" in this regard, no pun intended. JMHO, Amelia - Original Message - From: "J Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 12:04 PM Subject: [CTRL] Fw: PALESTINIANS, NOT ISRAELIS, KILLED THE 12-YEAR-OLD BOY -Caveat Lector- Arutz-7 news: PALESTINIANS, NOT ISRAELIS, KILLED THE 12-YEAR-OLD BOY 31 October 2000 http://www.israelnationalnews.com/english/newspaper/news/fnews.htm http://www.israelnationalnews.com/english/newspaper/news/fnews.htm An IDF investigation and re-enactment appears to show conclusively that the 12-year-old boy from Gaza, Muhammad al-Dura, was not shot by Israeli soldiers * but was rather the victim of a cruel plot staged by Palestinian sharp-shooters and a television cameraman. The incident in question occurred on Oct. 6, when the boy and his father happened to be walking past the scene of a major battle between Palestinian snipers and Israeli soldiers. Former IDF sniper Yosef Doriel, who initiated the re-enactment, said that he had several reasons to suspect that it was not the Israelis who shot the boy. "For one thing, the boy and his father were hiding behind and to the left of a barrel that was between them and the Israeli forces," he told Arutz-7 today. "In the video clip, you see four clean bullet holes to the side of them. These were not shot by the Israelis - they are 'clean' and full holes, not mere grazes that would have been formed by the 30-degree angle of the Israelis - but rather by Palestinians (stationed more directly in front of the father and son) to make sure that the two would stay put. Suddenly, you see the boy lying down in his father's lap, with another bullet hole in the wall directly behind him - again, it could not have come from the IDF position, which was behind the barrel and to the side, but only from the Palestinian position, which was more directly in front of the father and son. This is the bullet that went through his stomach and out of his back. At that point in the video, you can hear the firing - but the Israeli position was far away! Rather, what happened was that a Palestinian advanced to a spot very close to the photographer, and shot the fatal shot. You can also notice that at that moment of the fatal shots, the photographer suddenly 'shook' and the picture was blurred - a signal that the shots came from close to him." Doriel and a fellow physicist, Nachum Shachaf, proposed that O.C. Southern Command Yom Tov Samiyeh oversee a re-enactment of the entire incident, complete with the barrel and life-size dummies. Doriel concludes: "The Palestinian forces staged the event. The Israelis were firing, for sure - but the fatal shots came not from them, but from the Palestinian position in front of the boy, behind the cameraman." - A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to
Re: [CTRL] Judge threatens girls with `hell'
-Caveat Lector- Maybe this Judge has been watching that loud mouth obnoxious Judge Judy and some of these TV judgesa Judge is to rule on the law, and it is against the law to lie in Court and you are faced with perjury not hell..like our President we know he what happened when he lied..he virtually got away with it in the end, but learned a lesson. A judge is supposed to rule on the law and not intimidate witnesses..this was intimidation. A simple question such as have you ever told a lie would have sufficed, and if the kid said no, well immediately the kid is suspect. Either way that question is always a tough one to answer. Most Judges can tell who is lying under oath be it a kid or an adult..even body language is often a giveaway and I could always read a Jury by their body language... You can go to hell for lyinig? You can go to jail for lying..that should have sufficed. A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] No One Deserves the Power
-Caveat Lector- The Wrong Question: No One Deserves the Power by James Bovard Once again, Americans are struggling to decide which candidate is least unfit to be President. Once again, the choice is between two major party candidates -- neither of whom scores of millions of Americans believe is mentally or morally equal to the job. We are asking the wrong question. The issue is not who should be trusted with all the power of the Presidency. Instead, we must ask how much power any candidate can be trusted with. Would you choose Bush or Gore to have the power to read your email -- without a court-authorized search warrant -- thanks to the FBI's Carnivore wiretap software and the National Security Agency's Echelon system? Since the Federal Communications Commission has ordered that new cell phones be homing devices for law enforcement, which candidate would you prefer knowing your location at all times? Would you choose either Gore or Bush to dictate the safety standards that might save your life -- or kill you (such as federally-mandated airbags that smite children and petite ladies)? How many new regulations and restrictions should either candidate be able to impose on you? Since 1993, federal agencies have issued more than 25,000 new regulations -- criminalizing everything from reliable toilets to snuff advertisements on race cars. The federal regulatory juggernaut is practically on automatic pilot, sure to continue advancing regardless of who wins on November 7. How many pretexts should the winning candidate receive to have you thrown you in prison? There are now more than 3,000 federal criminal offenses on the book -- 30 times more criminal laws than existed in 1900 and a thousand times more than existed at the birth of the Republic. The proliferation of vague laws are very convenient for federal agents and politically minded prosecutors who target certain citizens for ruin. Which candidate should have jurisdiction over federal agents who can seize your property -- without any criminal charges filed against you -- based on hearsay evidence that you may have violated one of over 200 federal laws that authorize asset forfeiture? Which candidate should have sway over the Justice Department lawyers who fight tooth-and-nail to deny due process to forfeiture victims? How much would you voluntarily give either candidate to spend largely at his discretion? The average two-income median income household pays $17,762 in federal taxes per year, according to the Tax Foundation. Would you write out a check for that amount even though you knew that Presidents routinely spend tax dollars for their own political aggrandizement? Would you write out a check even after realizing that some of your tax dollars will be spent to deceive and lull you into thinking you have nothing to fear from your rulers -- and thus no need to stand up for your rights and liberties? The federal government mangles the marketplace far more than most Americans realize. Which candidate should have the right to continue doubling the price of the sugar and peanut butter you buy? Which candidate should be entitled to levy a 25 percent surcharge on Japanese-made trucks or a 40 percent surcharge on Brazilian orange juice, as the U.S. tariff code now decrees? Does any President deserve a license to skewer consumers to reward campaign donors? How much power would you vest in either candidate to forcibly protect you against yourself -- vetoing your choices of lifestyle, food, and recreation? Is there any prominent politician from either party who could run your life better than you yourself? Is there any politician who is so superior to you in character and intellect that you should effectively sign your life over to his hands? Though few people would concede that any politician is so much their better, the current regime classifies citizens as, by definition, far inferior to their rulers. We have a paternalistic system with pervasive contempt for the Paternalist-in-Chief. We have created a huge engine of government -- even though there is no one even vaguely capable of intelligently driving it. A certain amount of government power is necessary to preserve the peace and deter foreign aggression. But the government passed that point decades ago. Einstein warned in 1945 that, with the invention of the atomic bomb, mankind had far more destructive power than people were capable of responsibly controlling. It is the same now with political power: government has amassed far more coercive power than politicians are capable of intelligently wielding. Even if the wisest, most virtuous citizen were elected President, our Leviathan would still be a public nuisance. There is no magic wand that even the best President could wave over the entire federal government. The only sure
[CTRL] WT: 'Drastic cutbacks' hurt Navy readiness
-Caveat Lector- November 3, 2000 'Drastic cutbacks' hurt Navy readiness By Rowan Scarborough THE WASHINGTON TIMES The Navy has sent a message to Atlantic Fleet air units that states budget shortfalls and inadequate spare parts are reducing combat readiness. The memo states a data cockpit display on the F-14, the Navy's front-line air-to-air fighter, breaks so often it is one of the "highest readiness degraders throughout the F-14 community." The mission-capable rates for E-2 radar planes fell 12 percent in the last three months alone because the units lacked money to buy parts to keep all planes flying. The October message also states that air bases at Oceana in Virginia Beach, and Norfolk began the new fiscal year Oct. 1 short $16 million to buy crucial spare parts and instituted "drastic cutbacks in spending." "Present aviation spare parts funding is not adequate to support the level of planned aviation operations," reads the message, a copy of which was obtained by The Washington Times. The message came from the Navy's Mid-Atlantic regional command and was sent to Naval Air Force, Atlantic Fleet. The command oversees 1,300 aircraft and their squadrons deployed on carriers at sea or stationed at naval air stations. The message focused on the woes of units in the Tidewater region awaiting a next deployment. Mike Maus, a spokesman for Naval Air Force, Atlantic Fleet, said he did not know how many planes are not functioning due to parts cannibalization. "We're still meeting our missions," he said. "We're not leaving planes behind for deployment because they can't deploy. Everything that is supposed to go on deployment is going." He said the memo was meant to inform units they have to keep an eye on spending. Combat readiness has become an issue in the presidential race, with Texas Gov. George W. Bush accusing the Clinton administration of mismanaging the military. Vice President Al Gore argues the military never has been in better shape. One naval aviator who reviewed the message says it paints an "abysmal" picture. Said another who read the memo: "The long and the short of this is that air crew aren't happy because they are not flying, and maintenance troops aren't happy because they are doing double work for half the results. This is what causes people to leave. Frustration." The Navy's Atlantic command message is particularly critical of the F-14 fighter's "detailed data display," or DDD, which is crucial to firing the jet's weapons. "Maintenance actions indicate the high rate of failure of numerous components in the DDD makes it one of the highest readiness degraders throughout the F-14 community," it reports. "This failure rate combined with known reliability of the DDD directly impacting overall fleet readiness." Paying the bills promises to get even worse this fiscal year. The price tags for major components have jumped more than 50 percent for some items, the memo states. A propeller for the E-2 Hawkeye aircraft has jumped from $156,000 to $211,000. A helicopter blade that cost $30,000 last year now is $49,000. "Increased [operational tempo], more expensive parts and lower funding are driving up per-hour flying costs and reducing the number of days" aircraft are air worthy, the memo states. "The inability to replenish stock assets had a direct negative impact on the readiness of" units. "The shortfall in 4th quarter money required drastic cutbacks in spending to the point where only high priority requirements were requisitioned." The memo reports squadrons coming off deployment "are swapping parts at unprecedented levels just to maintain status quo." When the carrier USS George Washington returns from deployment, the message states, "many of the jets are expected to require extensive repairs and maintenance from six months of carrier operations." The memo also states Oceana Naval Air Station had to cut back on flight hours so planes could participate in Virginia Beach's Neptune Festival Air Show in September. Said one aviator: "It doesn't seem to be the kind of thing we ought to see our guys do if we're having trouble fixing airplanes." But Mr. Maus said such air shows are important to the Navy mission. "Air shows and flight demonstrations are still a very vital part of the Navy," he said. "They are very, very beneficial to the recruiting effort." Other alarm bells have sounded concerning the deteriorating state of Navy aviation, a decline attributed to increased overseas operations and spare parts shortages. The Navy recently released an inspector general's report that said the aviation community has "big problems" primarily due to wear and tear on fighters and support aircraft. Readiness woes also afflict West Coast-based aircraft. Vice Adm. John B. Nathman confronted the problem during a speech as he assumed command of Pacific naval air forces. "To me, the fact is that we have reached such a low level of funding it will soon be impossible to meet the
[CTRL] NYP: DUBYA'S DUI
-Caveat Lector- DUBYA'S DUI Friday,November 3,2000 Dick Morris NYPOST THE bombshell revelation that George W. Bush was arrested, convicted and fined for driving under the influence of alcohol could derail his candidacy five days before the election, or it could pass as a blip in the night. It all depends on how he handles it. DWI is one of the most potent issues in American politics. In one survey I took five years ago, it ranked No. 1 among the 50 issues I tested. It is particularly important for mothers and other women, a key constituency that already views Bush with suspicion. What impact will this disclosure have? The key lies with other facts and other questions that the report of his conviction raises. The extenuating circumstances surrounding his arrest will likely shield the GOP nominee from the kind of initial damage which could kill him outright. Nobody was hurt. There was no accident. He was still young. It never happened again. He gave up drinking and moved on with his life. Most impressively, he didn't pull strings to avoid prosecution. His father was a famous man, particularly near his Maine home: He had already served as chairman of the Republican Party, head of the CIA and ambassador to China. George W. could have tried to throw his weight around - as Ted Kennedy did at Chappaquidick, for example. Bush didn't. He was arrested. He was convicted. He paid his fine. His license was suspended in Maine. On the other hand, two key questions loom. Bush better have good answers to them. First: Did he ever lie about this arrest? In applying for everything from a bank loan to security clearance, one is always asked "have you ever been arrested?" The temptation to check "no" and avoid the whole mess must have loomed large in his mind. But if he lied about this unattractive episode in his life on any official form, his candidacy may be cooked. Second: Why did Bush not disclose the arrest and conviction himself? He must have known it would come out. You don't keep secrets and run for president. Why did he let his party nominate him and never tell about potentially damaging information which could impair his viability as a candidate? Does his failure to tell us about so important a fact reflect on his judgment, maturity and discretion? Bush had better have a good answer. On the other hand, one is driven to ask why this revelation surfaced on Nov. 1. Who tipped off the Portland TV station? Did Gore's campaign unearth this fact? Did they hold onto it until five days before the election deliberately? I smell a dirty trick. Did some of Bill Clinton's secret police - the detectives he hires to discredit political opponents - dig up this dirt on Bush and then hold it until it would do maximum damage? This story isn't over. It will evolve in the coming days. Every reporter will dig to discover the answers to these questions. Bush's success or failure may hinge on the answers. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = == This mailing list is for discussion of Clinton Administration Scandals. If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send electronic mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the message body put: unsubscribe cas A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush Finally Admits DUI Arrest
In a message dated 11/2/00 11:39:43 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I still vividly remember video of AL GORE, visiting with William Jefferson Clinton, in 1992, at the Jefferson memorial, pointing up to the president's busts that lined the round office of the former founding father, and Big Al asking: "Who are these guys?" OH MY! eagle 1 What you "vividly remember" is a recent FOX News piece on this gaffe'...I hardly belive that you actually caught this when it was originally aired. Bill.
Re: [CTRL] Bush Finally Admits DUI Arrest
In a message dated 11/3/00 7:38:25 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well why don;t someone ask Gore and Clinton if they are Communists? They are traitors! So "stoopid"...why ask such DUMBASSED questions of this well-read list??? Here's a thought...LOOK UP THE WORD "COMMUNIST"...methinks you'll see why nobody with an OPERATIVE BRAIN asks such a MORONIC question! By the way..."socially liberal" DOESN'T equal COMMUNIST... NO FURTHER COMMENT NEEDED... Bill.
Re: [CTRL] Could Israel Have Bombed The USS Cole???
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Re: [CTRL] Bush Finally Admits DUI Arrest
In defense of "Eagle" I VIVIDLY remember it well and didn't see it aired recently. Seems like it was a tour of DC they and their wives were on and remember Gore gazing at these busts that lined the upper portion of a wall while making that statement. The first thought that came to my mind was "Well...here we go...this is gonna get good". I also waited for the tax cut Clinton promised us in his first campaign...what did we get...a Tax Increase. Clinton and Gore in my opinion have and are making promises they can't keep. I like to think I'm non-partisan and don't care for either candidate but would have to decide against Gore in this campaign. -Original Message-From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of William ShannonSent: Friday, November 03, 2000 8:33 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [CTRL] Bush Finally Admits DUI ArrestIn a message dated 11/2/00 11:39:43 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I still vividly remember video of AL GORE, visiting with William Jefferson Clinton, in 1992, at the Jefferson memorial, pointing up to the president's busts that lined the round office of the former founding father, and Big Al asking: "Who are these guys?" OH MY! eagle 1What you "vividly remember" is a recent FOX News piece on this gaffe'...I hardly belive that you actually caught this when it was originally aired. Bill.
Re: [CTRL] Bush Finally Admits DUI Arrest
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On 3 Nov 00, at 21:12, T Nohava wrote:
I also waited for the tax cut
Clinton promised us in his first campaign...what did we get...a Tax Increase.
At least Clinton/Gore balanced the budget for a change, as opposed to
300 Billion + deficits and sluggish economy during the Reagan/Bush years.
Now we have an booming economy, and a budget surplus. I guess some
would like to return to the failed ways of the past. Get a few hundred more
dollars back from a tax cut, with higher interest rates, higher unemployment,
soaring medical costs, etc. Just give the big companies a big tax break
and everything will be ok! I think you are dreaming...
Steve
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Re: [CTRL] Bush Finally Admits DUI Arrest
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/3/00 10:04:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I also waited for the tax cut Clinton promised us in his first campaign...what did we get...a Tax Increase. At least Clinton/Gore balanced the budget for a change, as opposed to 300 Billion + deficits and sluggish economy during the Reagan/Bush years. Now we have an booming economy, and a budget surplus. I guess some would like to return to the failed ways of the past. Get a few hundred more dollars back from a tax cut, with higher interest rates, higher unemployment, soaring medical costs, etc. Just give the big companies a big tax break and everything will be ok! I think you are dreaming... Steve you believe that? We are about to lose the bill of rights and constitution with Clinton Gore and Democratic Party! WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! ** *** A vote for Bush or Gore is a vote to continue Clinton policies! A vote for Buchanan is a vote to continue America! Therefore a vote for Gore or Bush is a wasted vote for America! Don't waste your vote! Vote for Patrick Buchanan! Today, candor compels us to admit that our vaunted two-party system is a snare and a delusion, a fraud upon the nation. Our two parties have become nothing but two wings of the same bird of prey... Patrick Buchanan A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Judge threatens girls with `hell'
-Caveat Lector- From: "Aleisha Saba" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maybe this Judge has been watching that loud mouth obnoxious Judge Judy and some of these TV judges... Judge Judy's kewl! So's her husband (People's Court) and Judge Mills Lane and Judge Joe Brown. We need more people like them who are willing to be politically incorrect and tell it like it is. June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] OS: DUI story shopped at Dem conventon?
-Caveat Lector- http://www.originalsources.com/OS11-00MQC/11-3-2000.1.html The Bush DUI Story Was Brought to the Democratic National Committee It Comes Down to "Who's Telling the Truth - Bush or Gore?" By: Mary Mostert, Analyst, Original Sources (www.originalsources.com) November 3, 2000 Yesterday, faxes mysteriously appeared on the desks of reporters telling them about a DUI arrest back on September 4, 1976 of George W. Bush. A little bit of sleuthing soon revealed, as the Washington Post put it, that a "lawyer who was delegate to the Democratic National Convention, had a copy of the docket" at the convention. Peddling it, perchance? Fox News broke the story nationally and it promptly became the major topic of discussion on talk shows. Endless discussion followed. Will the revelation derail the Bush juggernaut? Not likely. In the first place, having too many beers and driving too slowly hardly compares with the lying to a grand jury as Bill Clinton did, smoking pot, an illegal substance, as Al Gore did during the same period or leaving a body in your car at the bottom of a pond on Chappaquidick Island, as Senator Ted Kennedy did in 1969. And, secondly, this story is so obviously timed for political damage that it's apt to make some voters mad at the Democrats, not George W., who, after all, had said much earlier in the campaign that he had drinking problems and that he quit drinking 14 years ago when he turned 40. If, as I keep saying, this election is all about trust, what impact will the Bush DUI have on the electorate? Does that story mean we can't trust George Bush? Well, George W. Bush has told us the truth all along. He SAID he had problems with drinking. And, Calvin Bridges the arresting officer 24 years ago, said in a telephone interview that he recalled "driving home from work after midnight and spotting a car slipping briefly onto the shoulder before getting back on the road." The driver was George W. Bush and he failed a road sobriety test. He registered 0.10 blood-alcohol level -- the legal limit at the time, Bridges said. He also talked about Bush's attitude saying, "The man was, and I say this without being facetious, a picture of integrity. He gave no resistance. He was very cooperative." Bridges said Bush spent about 90 minutes in custody. He said he was contacted Thursday night by two Bush aides, including spokesman Dan Bartlett, and asked if he would accept a telephone call from a reporter. On the other hand Gore campaign spokesman Chris Lehane said yesterday, "This is just not something the Gore campaign is involved with in any shape, way or form. It's not something we would engage in." When the story first broke it was claimed that "two Portland, Maine, television stations said their reporters came across the incident while covering an unrelated arson case yesterday and overheard hallway conversations about the arrest. Reporters for the stations, WPXT-TV and WCSH-TV, pursued the story and found several documents confirming the Sept. 4, 1976, arrest, as well as the name of the arresting officer." Just 5 days before the election? Is that story true? Apparently not. It turns out that a Democrat lawyer from Maine brought the story to the Democratic Convention in Los Angeles. The Gore campaign obviously had had the story at least a couple of months. In fact, it turns out that the story came out of the Democratic National Convention which appears to have been released five days before the election. Does the Gore campaign really think the American people are so stupid that they will conclude they can't trust George W. because 24 years ago he had too many beers one night? Are we all supposed to forget, as Newsweek reporter Bill Turque wrote, that Al Gore and John Warnecke "would gather to talk politics late into the night, fueled by Grateful Dead albums and the high-grade marijuana that Warnecke imported from the West Coast. 'We'd get stoned and talk about what we'd do if we were president.'" "Warnecke and two other close friends from Gore's Nashville days say Gore was an enthusiastic recreational user, smoking sometimes as often as three or four times a week: afterhours at Warnecke's house, on weekends at the Gore farm or canoeing on the Caney Fork River. Andy Schlesinger, a former Tennessean reporter says that in the first few months after Gore returned from South Vietnam in 1971, he smoked with him 'at least a dozen times' at the Warneckes'. The partying continued, according to Warnecke and a Gore friend who declined to be named, until Gore ran his first House race in 1976." "He continued: 'Al Gore stoned was a mix of expansiveness, melancholy and paranoia, friends recall. 'These were low times,' Schlesinger says." Somehow, with all the scandals that have rocked the White House in the last 7 years, I can't see the "too many beers" story changing many votes. I also doubt that the "too many joints" story about Al Gore will change many votes for Al Gore. What is going
[CTRL] FW: 11-02-00 -- URGENT ACLU Action Update: What Is The Government Trying to Hide?
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[CTRL] POA Poll: Rasmussen comments on DUI
-Caveat Lector- http://www.portraitofamerica.com/html/poll-804.html PORTRAIT OF AMERICA November 3, 2000 Presidential Tracking Poll With four days remaining in the campaign, Rasmussen Research surveys for Portrait of America (POA) find Texas Governor George W. Bush leads Vice President Al Gore, 46% to 43%. This is the smallest lead for Bush since the first Presidential Debate. Much like polling data released the morning after the Debates, these results do not reflect any impact of the breaking news story about George W. Bushs 1976 arrest for driving under the influence of alcohol. These numbers do not reflect a general tightening of the race. In the Electoral College, Portrait of America's survey shows Bush leading in states with 231 Electoral Votes. Gore is leading in states with 168 Electoral Votes. Bush needs to win just 39 of the 139 toss-up votes to reach the magic number of 270. Al Gore needs to win 102 of those 139 toss-up votes. Gore's gains in our tracking poll are the result of a very strong night for the Vice President on Tuesday night. Our last two nights of polling (Wednesday and Thursday) show Governor Bush leading 47.4% to 41.8%. That 5.6% margin in favor of Bush is virtually identical to the 5.5% margin in our six day tracking average. Rasmussen Researchs assessment of the race remains unchanged. At least through Thursday night, Bush held a solid lead in the race for the White House. This is true in both the popular vote and the Electoral College. Barring something dramatic to shake up the race, Bush will be elected President next Tuesday. At this point, it is too early to tell whether or not the allegations about Bush's arrest for will be significant enough to make Al Gore the next President. While virtually every political junkie in the nation has an opinion about this, Rasmussen Research won't really know the public reaction until more telephone surveys are completed. Rasmussen Research will be conducting a special Friday night Portrait of America telephone survey to give an early indication on the impact or lack of impact generated by the story about Bushs 24-year old DUI arrest. These results from Friday night will be clues, rather than definitive answers because Friday nights are not considered optimum polling times, and because it may take several days before the full impact of this story is known. Results of the Friday night survey will be posted on the Portrait of America web site. POA demographic data shows 50% of government employees support Al Gore, while only 39% in the private sector support him. George W. Bush is supported by 50% of private sector workers, only 38% of government employees support Bush. Rasmussen Research will begin tracking the approval rating and key political issues of the new administration as soon as the elections are over. The next President will be the first in history to have public reaction to his policies and popularity polled every day he is in office. Rasmussen Research has been collecting daily information on the attitudes of investors, consumers, and the workforce about the economy and financial markets. As soon as the elections are over, this data will be available on the Portrait of America website. The telephone survey of 3,000 likely voters was conducted on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, October 31, November 1, and 2, 2000. The surveys margin of sampling error is +/- 1.8 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Presidential Tracking Poll Survey Dates Bush Gore October 31, Nov 1, 2 46 43 October 30, 31, Nov 147 42 October 29, 30, 31 47 41 October 28, 29, 30 47 40 October 26, 28, 29 47 41 October 25, 26, 28 46 42 October 24, 25, 26 46 42 October 23, 24, 25 47 40 October 22, 23, 24 47 41 October 21, 22, 23 47 41 October 19, 21, 22 47 41 October 18, 19, 21 46 41 October 17, 18, 19 46 41 October 16, 17, 18 45 41 October 15, 16, 17 47 40 = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not
[CTRL] NewsHawk: Bush LIED About ALL Post-'68 Drug/Alcohol Busts! (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 16:39:48 -0800 From: NewsHawk Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Bush LIED About ALL Post-'68 Drug/Alcohol Busts! 11.3.00 Bush LIED About ALL Post-'68 Drug/Alcohol Busts! According to the Dallas Morning News, Dubya Bush has CONSISTENTLY LIED and DENIED that he was ever arrested for drug and/or alcohol use any time after 1968. Again; our likely future president flat-out LIED about this VERY important issue!! NewsHawk® Inc. ±±± WIRE:11/03/2000 19:19:00 ET Dallas Paper Says Bush Denied Arrests After 1968 DALLAS (Reuters) - The Dallas Morning News published on Friday in its on-line edition claims by one its reporters that Texas Gov. George W. Bush, who acknowledged a 1976 drunk driving conviction this week, had denied two years ago any arrests after 1968. The newspaper also reported that Bush, called on for jury duty in a drunk driving case in 1996 during his first term as governor, omitted any mention of his conviction on a questionnaire for potential jurors. Bush confirmed on Thursday a news report that at age 30 he was arrested for drunk driving in Kennebunkport, Maine, pleaded guilty, paid a $150 fine and had his permission to drive suspended for 30 days. "In a 1998 interview, Mr. Bush responded, "No," when a reporter asked him whether he had been arrested on any charges "after 1968"," the Morning News reported in its on-line edition (http://www.dallasnews.com). The story was co-authored by reporter Wayne Slater, who previously told reporters traveling with the Bush campaign of the conversation with Bush as he recalled it. Slater told fellow reporters that Bush had told him in September 1998, in a brief exchange after a news conference at the Texas capitol in Austin, that he had no other arrests except for an arrest linked to a 1968 fraternity prank involving a stolen Christmas wreath. Slater said Bush answered "no" when he asked the Texas governor whether he had any other arrests, but that Bush then said "wait a minute" and appeared to want to say more when Hughes intervened to stop the interview. Campaign spokeswoman Karen Hughes earlier disputed Slater"s recollection. "We do not believe that is accurate," Hughes told reporters in Grand Rapids, Michigan. She said the only time Bush was ever asked publicly whether he had ever been arrested for drunk driving was in October 1996, when he responded without elaborating: "I do not have a perfect record as a youth." The Morning News said the jury questionnaire filled out by Bush in 1996 contained no answer to several questions, including three asking whether he had ever been accused, a complainant or a witness in a criminal case. The questionnaire was not filled out under oath and did not include a place for the governor"s signature, the paper said. The newspaper did not say where in Texas the jury was convened. It said Bush was dismissed from the panel before potential jury members were questioned about their histories of drinking and driving. _ ++ NewsHawk subscriptions cost $15 US for three months, payable by MONEY ORDER only, made out to JOHN QUINN (of course cash is OK, but inadvisable for snailmail). ++ Any donations of funds should also be sent as a money order made out to JOHN QUINN. ++ Mail donations and payments for subscriptions to: John Quinn PO Box 106 Laytonville, Calif. 95454 = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to
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-Caveat Lector- FBI Agent Sues To Report Misconduct By Michael J. Sniffen Associated Press Writer Friday, Nov. 3, 2000; 5:56 p.m. EST WASHINGTON A 20-year veteran FBI agent went to court Friday seeking the right to report to President Clinton and key members of Congress what he considers serious and criminal misconduct by federal workers during a top secret, undercover national security operation. FBI Director Louis Freeh and Deputy Attorney General Eric Holder have denied agent Joseph G. Rogoskey permission to relay his allegations to Clinton, Secretary of State Madeleine Albright and House and Senate committees that oversee the FBI. In a lawsuit against the FBI and Justice Department, Rogoskey said that as an undercover agent he "witnessed acts of serious misconduct and violation of federal law by employees of the federal government during the course of their employment." FBI spokesman Bill Carter said, "We understand all the allegations of government misconduct have long been appropriately addressed." Now on paid administrative leave, Rogoskey spent 12 years, 1987 through 1998, on top-secret, undercover operations involving some of the government's deepest secrets that are accessible only to specified people. Rogoskey is barred from telling his lawyer, Stephen Kohn, any details of the operation or the alleged misconduct. Kohn said he understands only that "it doesn't involve anyone stealing money. It involves what they were ordered and permitted by the government to do in this operation." Like the FBI, Holder advised Rogoskey by letter that he should report "whistle-blower-type allegations" to internal FBI investigators or Justice inspector general agents who "have the appropriate security clearances." But Kohn said, "Keeping whistle-blower allegations within the institution that authorized the misconduct does not serve the public interest and raises grave constitutional questions." Rogoskey first reported his allegations to his immediate supervisor in late 1997, "promptly upon observing them," Kohn said. "We don't know if the FBI has fixed the problem," Kohn said, because Rogoskey has been on leave since the summer of 1998. Since making the allegations, the FBI has retaliated against Rogoskey, the lawsuit said. The suit said this included an allegation of misconduct against Rogoskey, of which FBI investigators cleared him; efforts by superiors "to call into question his integrity"; and recently threatening to fire him for medical reasons if he fails a fitness for duty exam. The FBI's Carter responded: "Any internal disciplinary or other employment problems Mr. Rogoskey may have experienced are completely unrelated to providing the earlier allegations." Kohn said: "Fitness reviews are extremely intrusive. They include psychiatric exams, interviews with his wife and examination of his sex life." A fitness exam was ordered of another FBI whistle-blower client of Kohn's, Frederic Whitehurst, the FBI chemist whose allegations led to an inspector general's finding the FBI Laboratory engaged in sloppy science and gave biased testimony for the prosecution. "Even though Whitehurst was found fit, the FBI tried to discredit him with material from the fitness exam," Kohn said. Kohn said Rogoskey has applied for workman's compensation because two doctors concluded he suffers from post-traumatic stress disorder caused by his work. "He has work-related injuries because they kept him undercover too long and from the retaliation," Kohn said. FBI officials have said that agents who spend long periods undercover can suffer tensions from maintaining dual personalities. In the lawsuit, Rogoskey asked the U.S. District Court here to decide whether he can transmit his allegations to Clinton, Albright and congressional oversight committees, to bar the government from retaliation and to process his workman's compensation claim instead of ordering a fitness review. Because of secrecy rules, Rogoskey submitted his allegations in a sealed envelope to the FBI's publication review clearance board in May 1999. The agent had no publisher, wasn't seeking compensation and did not intend to publish the material for the general public, but wanted permission to send it to the named officials, Kohn said. FBI attorney Lyn Brown "denied the permission the next day by phone and said the information in the envelope should have been transported by armed guard." Kohn said. Freeh and Holder later upheld that denial. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing
[CTRL] Gore's Daddy Fixed his Tickets
-Caveat Lector- So here is interesting item sent to me by friend on another list. Now when tickets are fixed which is the case re Gore, a Reckless Operation Charge it is mandatory you appear in Court - and this Reckless Charge is usualy the result of drunk driving or driving under influence of drugs.and it is all too obvious Daddy Gore fixed his little boy's ticket - while George Bush so many years ago did not set himself above the law - he went to court and was given the fine and sentence as anybody else during that time frame. Daddy Gore had so much respect for the law that he held his son and obviously himself above the law - George Bush Sr. probably had the influence he could have done the same thing, but did not. The charge was a misdemeanor - and surely nothing to brag about - and having worked for the head honcho once in the Democrat Party, believe me the parties have even copies of parking tickets for nobody is perfect - look at Barney Frank and his male homosexual lovers on payroll..when working for the people. He was chastised, embarassed - but continues to do his job as best he can, whether we agree wih all he does or not. So Gore is desperate and at the last moment reveals an old ticket Bush had many years ago where he plead guilty - in all fairness, looking at the record and being a former clerk of court in a small city, when I see Reckless Operation with no other charge, this means the charge was reduced from driving under influence of drugs and/or alcohol...and we know, Al Gore inhaled. So George Bush already got my vote - based on his promise hat no US Soldier would wear UN Uniform so long as he was Presidenthe is his own man - he proved that when he stood as a man before a Judge and pled guilty to a misdemeanor charge of DUI and received the same sentence that you or I would have received...while Daddy Gore fixed his son's ticket..and sent two body guards with him to Viet Nam while he played reporter. Maybe the real test here is this..George Bush did not put himself above the law - Al Gore and his daddy did. Saba Mail message Help From: xxxaol.com Date: Sat, Nov 4, 2000, 1:00am To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fwd: Gore Reckless Driving Charges "...and he that was called Judas, one of the twelve, went before them, and drew near unto Jesus to kiss himbut Jesus said unto him, Judas betrayest thou the Son of man with a kiss?" Luke 22 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date:Fri, Nov 3, 2000, 11:25pm Subject: Gore Reckless Driving Charges To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This story was broken after a tip by a former Commercial Appeal reporter, Mike Fleming. Michael Reagan has picked it up on his radio show tonight. Fleming said that national tv news was prowling around the story. http://www.wrecradio.com/fleming.html Gore said today that he was never arrested. There are two Tennessee State troopers who know this is false. They arrested him for reckless driving (at different times) in the late 60's. One is named Swift and the other is Overstreet (now retired). This was news on a local Memphis radio talkshow hosted by Mike Fleming. Gore is visiting the city today and tomorrow. Bush opponent Al Gore declined to comment on the Republican's admission but said he never had been arrested for drunken driving. ``I´ve had speeding tickets, but no. Absolutely not,´´ Gore said. [Saba note: Liar, Liar - Pants On Fire .] The vice president received a speeding ticket 32 years ago on Interstate 40 in Tennessee and paid $21.75 in fines and costs, Smith County records show. Gore was given two tickets, one for speeding and a second for driving without a license. The second ticket was dropped when Gore appeared in court on Sept. 6, 1968. There were also reckless driving charges which Gore, Sr. fixed. Saba Note: And working for a court any police officer knows Reckless Charges - what drove the officer to note this - why drunk driving or driving under influence of drugs - for normal procedure is to get on ROMV, test and then nail on one of the two or both of DUi...so Daddy Gore got his little "he inhaled" off hook and booked on lesser charge, which he fixed. Know one Governor of Ohio arrested once for DUI and it was dropped outside of Court and this police officer who gave me his masonic books (Mackeys) never forgot that for he was the arresting officer - but as a gentleman you would never see him use this isnformation for financial gainthis man is still alive today, and true blue gentleman. A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects
[CTRL] George Bush Stands Tall....Big Al Needs Bigger Pants
-Caveat Lector- So A. Saba and her views this news item printed..was very proud to see that this small voice, and just plain average citizen, was heard by many people. A. Saba Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, Nov 3, 2000, 10:58pm (EST-2) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: GOP News Views - November 7, 2000 Last Eight Years: RIP "Here lies honor, decency, morality and integrity July 4, 1776 - November 2, 1992 Slain by the Clinton/Gore gang" - Tombstone inscription noticed by a GOPNV reader in Florida on Halloween night *** We'll Drive Off That Bridge When We Come to It "The extenuating circumstances surrounding (George W. Bush's) arrest will likely shield the GOP nominee from the kind of initial damage which could kill him outright. Nobody was hurt. There was no accident. He was still young. It never happened again. He gave up drinking and moved on with his life. Most impressively, he didn't pull strings to avoid prosecution. His father was a famous man, particularly near his Maine home: He had already served as chairman of the Republican Party, head of the CIA and ambassador to China. George W. could have tried to throw his weight around - as Ted Kennedy did at Chappaquidick, for example. Bush didn't. He was arrested. He was convicted. He paid his fine. His license was suspended in Maine." - Columnist Dick Morris, New York Post, 11/3/00 * Timing Stinks Like Yesterday's Diapers "As November surprises go, news that George W. Bush was busted for drunk driving a quarter-century ago is pretty weak tea. If that's the best that Al Gore's dirty tricksters can come up with, Bush is looking cleaner than ever. ... News of the arrest gurgled up out of the Clinton-Gore septic system scarcely five full days before the nation goes to the polls next Tuesday. An accident of timing? A hard-working investigative reporter who hit pay dirt precisely at the time Americans are paying such close attention to the two men now seeking to lead them into a new century? Please. ... (T)he issue that should alarm America - and which certainly alarms us - is that all this comes to light with fewer than 120 hours to go before the polls open on the East Coast. Here are the questions: What did Al Gore know? And when did he know it?" - New York Post editorial, 11/3/00 Leaker ID'ed As a Major League "Clymer" "About the timing of the (drunk driving) revelation, Bush says: 'That's an interesting question--why now, four days before an election? . . . I got my suspicions.' WPXT airs a story saying that the source of the report was Tom Connolly, a Portland lawyer who ran unsuccessfully for governor two years ago and was a Gore delegate to the 2000 Democratic convention. From the Drudge Report we learn that Connolly is the brains behind an anti-Bush Web site, wienerboy.org, which offers such elevated political commentary as this: 'Wiener Boy Bush is 97% filler with 2% pigs lips and snout along with 1% pure bull coupled with .001% of rodent feces.' ... For our part, we think Bush should have disclosed his drunk-driving arrest at the outset of the campaign, precisely to avoid such a 'November surprise.' But after eight years of finger-wagging denials, I-didn't-inhale evasions and no-controlling-legal-authority excuses, we find it refreshing to see a candidate for president candidly acknowledge a past wrong." - WSJ.com OpinionJournal, 11/3/00 Failure to Disclose Early a Tactical Mistake "George W. Bush's Thursday admission that he was arrested in 1976 for drunken driving (only to be one-upped by vice presidential candidate Dick Cheney's admission that he was twice arrested for the same crime) is a classic tactical error, although there's clearly going to be some raucous parties at the White House if these guys get elected. Bush should have been the one to disclose this little bit of presidential-family trivia, and he should have done it long ago. "Vincent Bugliosi, the former Los Angeles County prosecutor who handled the Charles Manson case, has written in several of his books -- including 'Outrage,' the single best tome on the O.J. Simpson murder trial -- that when he was prosecuting a case, if there was information that hurt his argument, he would bring it out first on direct examination. The approach not only let him control how the information got out, but also showed his juries that he had nothing to hide. But best of all, it left defense attorneys (who had no doubt prepared like Democratic opposition researchers looking for an 'October surprise') nowhere to go when it was their turn to cross." - Columnist Steve Sebelius, Nevada e-Briefing, 11/3/00 ** Hold Me Closer Ballet Dancer "The important thing here with George Bush, he faced the DUI as a man - he did not try to use his father, his plea was guilty but without a doubt he could have had the
Re: [CTRL] Bush Finally Admits DUI Arrest
-Caveat Lector- ??? Clinton/Gore balanced the budget - since when, in what dream? Do you really think some dumb asshole like Clinton is responsible for this "booming economy?" You even think we have a budget surplus? This is a troll right? not very funny Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [LIFE-GAZETTE] Real Hate Speech (fwd)
So this item was of interest; now what if white people walked about spouting garbage such as this.. Now you know why this lily white American prefers to live in her lily white neighborhood with lily white friends. Now you know why this year 18,000 African with AIDS - grounds for admission to USA they must have AIDS - now you know why I am fed up with black Americans such as this - we have a lot of white Americans who go to bed hungry too .does anybody care? So much for Hill and Bill's melting pot - like in bible, the scum also rises - at times - So read this article and lets hear it from the other side - A. Saba Lily White American and Proud Of It Elridge Cleaver - it was he who over and over claimed the iniquities of the fathers would be visited upon the children - and then I think of Code Name Zebra where in particular a 19 year old kid with a Teddy Bear for his little sister, little white sister, was slaughtered in the street by these animals on his way home..and I think of the 6 year old who murdered a little white 6 year old, and we are to hug the little basard we are told? Did not see Gore or Clinton crying over the little 6 year old drug by his heels through the streets by black car thiefnot much was left of his little body..this goes on and on - so read the garbage in this item, and then consider do you want to hug the little 6 year old who murdered an innocent little white 6 year old girl, who had previously stabbed another white child with a pencil..won't he be sweet when he grows up for we are told to hug him on - he escaped punishment for he is "deprived".well so was the little while child, for they live in Flint Michigan and the town is dying which is conveniently ovlooked by Gore and Clinton. A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 18:50:44 -0800 From: Cyberdude [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: roundtable [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Real Hate Speech 'I dont talk to you white motherf*ckers. . . . You bitch motherf*ckers in the white press. . . . F*ck you you motherf*ckinging asshole . . . white devils.' --Gus Savage (former U.S. Representative from Chicago to a white member of the press) 'We have an aging white America. They are dying. They are shitting in their pants with fear! . . . I love it! '--Prof. Jose Angel Gutierrez (University of Texas Arlington) 'If black people kill black people every day why not have a week and kill white people?'--Sister Souljah (rap artist and black activist) 'Hollywood is owned by these so-called Jews. Look at the movies they make about us Black people killing Black people. Lets make some revolutionary movies where we kill white people in the movie. Kill em so hard you have to cover up your popcorn from the blood spraying out of the screen.' --Khalid Abdul Muhammed 'What we need is the destruction of whiteness which is the source of human misery in the world.'-- Rev. James Cone 'I am writing this essay sitting beside an anonymous white male that I long to murder.'-- Bell Hooks (black professor of English at City College of New York) 'Rape was an insurrectionary act. It delighted me that I was defying and trampling upon the white mans law upon his system of values and that I was defiling his women' -- Eldridge Clever (former Black Panther leader on why he raped white women) 'I am anti-white. I dont limit my anti to just one group of people.'-- Sonny Carson (black activist in New York when asked if he was anti-Semitic) 'Go back to Simi Valley you skunks! Go back to Woodland Hills! Go back to Boston! Go back to Plymouth Rock Pilgrims! Get out! We are the future. You are old and tired. Go on. We have beaten you. Leave like beaten rats. You old white people it is your duty to die'--Augustin Cebada, Brown Berets. 'I dont care about your idiot children.'-- Willie Brown (Mayor of San Francisco to a white parent complaining that affirmative action would penalize his children) 'After looking at all the evidence there is only one conclusion: white people are devils . . . . I believe that we must secure our freedom and independence from these devils by any means necessary including violence. . . . To protect ourselves we should bear arms (three handguns and two rifles maybe an M-16) immediately and form a militia. . . . So black people let us unite organize and execute.' --Chino Wilson (in an editorial in the Daily Collegian campus newspaper at Penn State University) = posted by Dude = -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9699/1/_/564407/_/973310516/ -_- What would a complete society be like if it were to "do all for the glory of God"? (I Corinthians 10:31). What would Canada be like if it were a "Godly Society" functioning in this manner?
[CTRL] Judge Joe Brown
-Caveat Lector- Judge Joe Brown is the best. "You people are unbelievable! You're wasting the court's time, but you I don't believe for a minute. I don't believe you. How can you say you don't engage in this sort of behaviour? I have here in front of me, you've been convicted of this on 9, 10, 11 seperate occasions? How can you stand there and claim you don't engage in that behaviour? You need help.." And the brilliant episode where these 2 indeterminate white/hispanic loonies (a retired army officer and his wife) were being sued by the black family they had driven out of their street by maliciously distributing pamphlets accusing them of dealing drugs from the house, welfare fraud, all their children having different names and the woman of the house was running a prostitution service (among other things). It was all completely bogus. The maniacs even claimed the couple weren't married, and wouldn't believe it even when shown the marriage certificate. The victims had a nice letter from the housing company apologising for their experience and offering to pay part of their moving costs. Judge Joe Brown got so angry with them, especially when he was claiming that his basis for believing that there was prostitutin going on was that another neighbour had claimed he had seen the woman working in the front garden, bending over and making eyes at him. Judge Joe Brown yelled at them and (not surprisingly) found against them. Other gems: You're trying to get me to enforce on a debt from a drug deal? I'm not even going to hear this. Get out of here both of you. You get the idea. On Fri, 3 Nov 2000 22:40:54 -0500 Ynr Chyldz Wyld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- From: "Aleisha Saba" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maybe this Judge has been watching that loud mouth obnoxious Judge Judy and some of these TV judges... Judge Judy's kewl! So's her husband (People's Court) and Judge Mills Lane and Judge Joe Brown. We need more people like them who are willing to be politically incorrect and tell it like it is. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush Finally Admits DUI Arrest
-Caveat Lector-
On 4 Nov 00, at 2:00, Bob Stokes wrote:
You even think we have a budget surplus?
You think we don't? Based on what evidence? You do have evidence to
back up you words don't you? No?
This is a troll right?
Or are you trolling a long line of obfuscation?
Steve
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