[CTRL] NYT: Mistrust in the Trust
-Caveat Lector- http://www.nytimes.com/2000/11/15/opinion/15DOWD.html November 15, 2000 LIBERTIES Mistrust in the Trust BY MAUREEN DOWD WASHINGTON - Finally, Al Gore got wise. He has called in America's leading trust-buster. He has stopped treating W. as a hapless daddy's boy and started treating him as the face of the ruthless Bush family cartel. The latest addition to the Gore legal armada is David Boies, the cunning litigator who beat Microsoft to a pulp in court and showed it to be a monopoly that unfairly stifled the competition. Mr. Boies, whose knit ties and Macy's suits belie the fact that he is a killer from Wall Street, showed up in Tallahassee yesterday declaring that the judge's decision that seemed to be a Gore defeat was really a Gore victory. If the Democrats' Perry Mason could turn Bill Gates into a stumbling incompetent in a deposition, I shudder to think what he could do with W. The New York lawyer (whose firm is also taking on price-fixing in the art world cartel of Sotheby's and Christie's) is making the same argument about Florida voters that he once made about computer customers: They have a right to choose their products freely. "The voters have spoken and the votes ought to be counted," Mr. Boies said last night. W. campaigned on the issue of restoring trust. But it turns out he meant restoring the Family Trust. The Bush monopoly, after all, has operated in the interregnum with the same arrogant philosophy as the Microsoft monopoly: You can have all the choice you want ó as long as you choose us. When questioned by Mr. Boies about stifling fair competition, Mr. Gates would get petulant. W. is just the same. The Bush family's elitist mantra ó "We were born to rule. We know best. Leave it to us." ó was echoed at Microsoft. Both monopolies simply assumed that Americans should want what they were selling. Anybody who disagreed shouldn't count ó or get counted. Ever since the vice president refused to withdraw from the marketplace, W. has snippily comported himself as president-elect. W. keeps acting as though he needs to get busy with a transition, even though all he's doing is giving jobs to all the old Bush family retainers and tiresome former Bush White House officials who are already sitting around the ranch with him. How much time and imagination does that take? The Bushes are treating Florida as possessively as Microsoft treated the rest of the computer industry. Jeb Bush runs the Florida subsidiary of Bush Inc. and was supposed to roll over Mr. Gore the way Microsoft rolled over rivals in the browser war. But once Jeb failed to achieve market dominance in his region, it fell to his subordinate, Katherine Harris, Florida's secretary of state, to use her "discretion" to muscle out the interlopers. She knows that if she succeeds, there might be a big bonus from Bush Inc.: a cushy job as an ambassador or perhaps support for a Senate run. James Baker's strong-arm tactics are reminiscent of those Microsoft executives who acted like thuggish enforcers of their leader's will, warning that their company was so important that any kind of assault on them would be bound to undermine the stability of the Republic and destroy capitalism and impede the march toward high-tech prosperity. Mr. Baker held a press conference yesterday morning to warn of dire consequences if W. was not immediately installed in the executive suite. But just as the Bush Inc. not-so- Velvet Hammer was pompously lecturing about international uncertainty and "disturbed" markets, the Nasdaq and Dow indexes were sharply rising, running across the bottom of the TV screen, mocking his words even as he uttered them. Mr. Baker keeps acting as though there's some phantom populace impatiently demanding a swift resolution. That's simply not true. W., of course, is eager to slide by with the help of family connections, and start inaugural partying. But the rest of us are perfectly content to wait for the arithmetical truth. (And not Mr. Gore's selective truth either, cleaving to Democratic counties.) It is not the tie, but the grating behavior of the contenders in the tie, that is trying American patience. At least there's this to be grateful for: Johnnie Cochran hasn't shown up on the Gore legal team. (If the chads don't fit, you must acquit.) = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis-
[CTRL] LDT: Russian planes 'buzzed US carrier three times'
-Caveat Lector- Russian planes 'buzzed US carrier three times' By Marcus Warren in Moscow The London Daily Telegraph RUSSIA revived the spirit of the Cold War yesterday with claims that its military pilots had "buzzed" the American aircraft carrier Kitty Hawk in the Sea of Japan. Russian reconnaissance and fighter planes swooped low over the ship after evading its battle group's radar systems three times over recent weeks, the Moscow media boasted. Not only did the planes, operating in pairs, feign an attack on the aircraft carrier, but they were able to take detailed photographs of what was happening on its deck, claimed press reports. Such "duals" were common in the Cold War. Izvestiya commented: "If these had been planes on a war mission, the aircraft carrier would definitely have been sunk." Only after a second pair of Su-24 and Su-27 planes buzzed the Kitty Hawk on Oct 17 did the carrier scramble an F/A-18 fighter to intercept the intruders, the Interfax agency reported. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] IHT: In Vietnam, Clinton Is a Hero for His Anti-War Protest Days Days
-Caveat Lector- In Vietnam, Clinton Is a Hero for His Anti-War Protest Days Days By Rajiv Chandrasekaran International Herald Tribune via Washington Post Service Wednesday, November 15, 2000 When President Bill Clinton arrives in Hanoi this week as the first U.S.president to visit Vietnam since the fall of Saigon, he will be warmly welcomed in part because of a decision he has spent his entire political career trying to live down: avoiding the war. In this struggling but proud Communist country, which lost more than 3 million people in a conflict known here as the American War, Mr. Clinton's opposition three decades ago is seen as laudable. "The bad Americans were the ones who bombed our country," said Tran Duc Cuong, who directs the Vietnam Institute of History. "The good Americans were the people who opposed the war and the crimes that were committed here. President Bill Clinton, because he protested against a war that violated the freedom and the independence of our country, he was a good American." Mr. Clinton's anti-war stance, coupled with his administration's efforts to foster stronger diplomatic and commercial links between the two countries, also has won him admiration from Vietnamese leaders, many of whom are deeply suspicious of U.S. politicians. During his three-day visit, scheduled to begin Friday, Mr. Clinton is not expected to express his personal views about the war. He will not apologize for U.S. policy at the time, officials said, but will recognize the trauma inflicted on both sides. Although some Vietnam veterans have criticized the visit as an insult to the 58,000 Americans who died in the conflict, Mr. Clinton's journey has elicited a generally favorable reaction from veterans groups, many Vietnamese-Americans and members of Congress who fought in the war. The relative lack of controversy is a remarkable sign of how far both countries have come in dealing with one of the most convulsive episodes in their modern histories. Parts of Mr. Clinton's historic trip will touch on the past. He will visit a rice paddy near Hanoi where forensic experts are searching for the body of a U.S. pilot whose plane was shot down during the war. Mr. Clinton also will attend a repatriation ceremony for soldiers whose remains have recently been found and hold talks about the lingering effects of the U.S. use of the defoliant Agent Orange in Vietnam. But the bulk of his visit will look toward the future and focus on the growing economic, cultural and diplomatic ties. Mr. Clinton will discuss the landmark trade agreement reached this summer and Vietnam's proposed entry into the World Trade Organization. He will announce new business ventures and a debt-forgiveness program. U.S. officials say Mr. Clinton also will encourage the Hanoi government to allow its citizens greater political and religious freedom, a subject of great importance to several congressional veterans. "I will make clear to Vietnam that we expect continued cooperation," Mr. Clinton said in his radio address Saturday. "I will also offer the support of the American people as Vietnam becomes more open to the world, promoting trade and more ties among our people and championing human rights and religious freedom." "I go to open a new chapter in our relationship with its people," he added. The trip is a symbolic high point in a gradual process of establishing ties with Vietnam that stretches back to President Ronald Reagan, who sent General John Vessey Jr. to press for a full accounting of those missing in action. Dialogue improved when George Bush became president, and visits by such veterans as Senators John McCain, Republican of Arizona, and John Kerry, Democrat of Massachusetts, provided political cover for Mr. Clinton to build the relationship. It was during Mr. Clinton's first term, in 1994, that the U.S. government lifted the trade embargo against Vietnam. The following year, the two countries restored diplomatic relations. Both countries have taken significant steps since to bring about what the U.S. ambassador to Vietnam, Douglas Peterson, calls a "true normalization of relations between two former enemies." Mr. Peterson, a former prisoner of war, said Hanoi now provides "full cooperation" in helping U.S. officials locate the remains of the more than 2,000 American soldiers still listed as missing in action. The U.S. government has provided $1.8 million worth of equipment to the Vietnamese military to locate the thousands of unexploded bombs that continue to kill and maim dozens of people every year. And last month, a U.S. Air Force plane touched down for the first time in 25 years at Tan Son Nhut Airport in Ho Chi Minh City, formerly known as Saigon, to bring relief supplies to victims of flooding in the Mekong Delta. Officials on both sides view the trade agreement as the crowning achievement in the rapprochement. Once it is ratified by the U.S. Congress and Vietnam's National Assembly, it
[CTRL] Planet Project - November 15 - 18, 2000
-Caveat Lector- Planet Project http://www.planetproject.com/index.html You're invited to participate in an event that may become a part of history. For four days, November 15 - 18, 2000, you and millions of other people around the world are invited to answer a series of questions about what it's like to be a human being at the beginning of the millennium. As soon as you finish answering questions on topics ranging from health to religion, sleep to sex, marriage to child rearing, and crime to politics, you can immediately compare your answers to those of others who are answering the same questions at that very moment. Using a wide range of technologies never combined before, the project's goal is to involve people of all nations in an experience that enables them to instantly share and compare their thoughts, beliefs, opinions, fears, similarities, and differences. The Planet Project, aimed at being the largest collaborative online event ever, will be conducted on the Web and in the field and will include 500 "Planet Pollsters." These individuals will be sent to remote corners of the globe equipped with laptops, handheld computers, modems, and portable satellite up-links. These Pollsters will ensure that the voices of people without access to technology will also be included in the Planet Project. A parallel Student Underground version of the project will be conducted simultaneously and will consist of questions created by an international team of students around the world. Please mark the date on your calendar, and remember to tell your friends. See you on November 15! A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Strippers spice up Sicilian prime time TV
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/13/2000 9:57:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: By BRUCE JOHNSTON in Rome The Roman Catholic Church and the Sicilian Mafia have joined forces in an unlikely alliance to campaign against naked newcasts on Italian television. "To the Mafia, the woman is sacred," said Tomas Buscetta, a former Mafia boss who escaped and became an informer, after his fellow bosses complained of his many affairs. "Her place is not in the Mob, but the home, ironing her husband's clothes - and certainly not in the television studio removing her own Considering the Mafia's activities in prostitution, porn, and what amounts to white slavery, I am astounded that they consider women sacred. Come to think of it, the Church has never seemed to think much of any women other than a few saints and the mother of Christ. When I think of how few folks in this country know who is the vice president or the chief justice of the Supreme Court, it seems that perhaps we should follow Italy's methods. If an educated and aware citizenry is required for a Democracy, and nude news would do it, I say: "Take it off; take it all off." Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [Fwd: you may as well start now (The Rich and the Super Rich -- ONLINE)]
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Subject: "you may as well start now" (The Rich and the Super Rich -- ONLINE) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:47:29 -0600 (CST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: ? To: undisclosed-recipients:; http://www.soilandhealth.org/03sovereigntylibrary/0303%20soccriticismlibrary/0303socialcriticism.html http://www.soilandhealth.org/03sovereigntylibrary/0303%20soccriticismlibrary/030304lundberg/030304toc.html Lundberg, Ferdinand. The Rich and the Super Rich: A Study in the Power of Money Today. New York, Lyle Stuart, 1968. Lundberg was a student of American wealth and the power that flowed from it. He wrote several books; this one is the summation of his life's accumulated wisdom. Reading it will thoroughly disillusion anyone who believes the American dream. I have reread this book about once a decade since it was first published and with each reading I discovered that almost everything I had thought I had learned over the recent decade about America and the global economy to have already been present in The Rich and the Super Rich. To see the original dustjacket notes, click here. This is a very sizeable book; it may take you a lifetime to fully assimilate everything that is in it so you may as well start now. _ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: African-American Precincts Victims of Widespread Fraud
-- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ FONT COLOR="#99"eGroups eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! /FONTA HREF="http://click.egroups.com/1/9698/2/_/1406/_/974153970/"BClick Here!/B/A -_- In case you didn't receive this the first time, here it is again: African-American Precincts Victims of Widespread Fraud Robert Sterling Editor, The Konformist http://www.konformist.com In the over four and a half years time period I've ran The Konformist via email and the web, I have never come across a story this huge. What we have before us is an election scandal that makes Watergate and The October Surprise look like patty cake. In Palm Beach County, as reported, 28,036 votes in the Presidential race have been tossed, a number nearly twice as much as the previous election. Until recently, the focus has been on the effects due to the butterfly ballot, which appears to have caused confusion and led to votes for Pat Buchanan. What has only been uncovered now is that nearly half of those votes tossed out are in African-American precincts. The percentage of disqualified votes countywide was seven percent, an admittedly high number. However, in two precints of Riviera Beach with African-American populates at 94 and 96 percent, the figure of disqualifications was 20%. As confusing as the ballot may have been, these numbers of mistakes are virtually impossible. There is an explanation: there are now reports that African Americans have complained they were given ballots that were already marked for rival candidates. While some may have caught the problem, it is likely that many people would not notice the problem while voting. The implications are tremendous: a major attempt to swindle votes from African-Americans was a deciding factor in the 2000 election. We are no longer talking about "honest" fuck-ups. We're talking about a sinister conspiracy. The Konformist will not state for sure who the culprit is, but some questions must be asked: who would benefit from suppressing African-American votes in the Presidential race? How could these votes have been tampered with and who could have done it? And, perhaps most important, why is Katherine Harris, Florida's GOP Secretary of State, so eager to end the investigation of the vote totals in Palm Beach? (She has claimed, falsely, that Tuesday at 5PM is the drop-dead date for submitting voter totals.) The Konformist will have this full story on its website tonight. It should also be on Conspire.com's and Disinfo.com's websites too. Parascope is working on this as well. Please feel free to post this, and the articles below which supply the evidence to back up everything that is stated above. Thank you, Robert Sterling Editor, The Konformist http://www.konformist.com Nearly half of tossed ballots from black precincts By Stephen Kiehl and Elliot Jaspin, Palm Beach Post Staff Writers Sunday, November 12, 2000 Nearly half of the 28,036 ballots that Palm Beach County tossed out in the presidential election came from areas of the county that are mostly black or elderly, a Palm Beach Post computer analysis shows. Those ballots were thrown out because the voter either didn't vote for president or voted for two presidential candidates. Almost 10 percent of the ballots cast in precincts where most of the voters are over age 65 were thrown out, the Post found. And 16 percent of the ballots cast in majority-black precincts were thrown out -- more than double the percentage of ballots thrown out from overwhelmingly white precincts. Overall, about 7 percent of the 387,094 ballots cast in the county were tossed. (Another 75,000 absentee ballots were cast, though their precinct wasn't reported.) The disproportionate number of invalidated ballots in black and elderly precincts -- traditional Democratic strongholds in West Palm Beach, Riviera Beach and southern Palm Beach County -- gives a clue as to why Republicans oppose a manual recount of all ballots in the county. On Saturday, elections officials began counting by hand 4,695 ballots from three precincts chosen by the Gore campaign and another precinct the county canvassing board chose. If a lot of problems turn up, officials will consider recounting the whole county. The punch-card ballot used in Palm Beach County presented a number of problems for seniors that could have led them to punch two holes or none at all, according to ballot experts and geriatricians. They said the now-infamous "butterfly" listing of presidential candidates, along with the tiny stylus used to punch holes and the closeness of the holes, all contributed to a senior-unfriendly ballot -- especially for seniors with poor vision and arthritis. "From a vision standpoint, you could even go so far as to say it discriminated against the elderly," said Dr. Barry Schultz, a Boynton Beach geriatrician. "It was designed
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: The Five Sullivans
-Caveat Lector- Their names, ranks and birthdates are as follows: George Thomas Sullivan, Gunners Mate Second Class, Dec 14, 1914 Francis Henry Sullivan, Coxwain, February 18, 1916 Joseph Eugene Sullivan, Seaman Second Class, Aug 28, 1919 Madison Able Sullivan, Seaman Second Class, Nov 8, 1919 Albert Leo Sullivan, Seaman Second Class, July 8, 1922 Joseph and Madison, brothers, born THREE MONTHS apart? H, there's more to this story than meets the eye... __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Legal battle could put Speaker in Oval Office
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/13/2000 6:28:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: WASHINGTON: Should a legal battle drag on for weeks between Al Gore and George W Bush over the presidential election results, Americans could wake up in late January with a man named J Dennis Hastert in the Oval Office. Hastert, a 14-year member of Congress from Illinois, is the Republican speaker of the House of Representatives. Under the Constitution, in certain circumstances when the president and vice president cannot take office by the January 20 inauguration date, the House speaker takes the reins of power for the time being. Well, I don't like Hastert at all. He is an arch conservative; however, you all will be delighted to know that it is highly probable that he has NEVER cheated on his wife. It took the Republicans a long time to come up with a candidate for speaker. It seemed that everyone they wanted to make speaker was either having an affair or had had one back in his/her salad days. Finally they came up with Dennis Hastert. There was not one whisper about his sex life. He didn't seem to be any kind of pervert--just a nice normal husband, and while as I said, I don't like Hastert, it was a relief to know there was one nice normal husband among the Republicans in Congress. Still Hastert is a total conservative, so if he becomes THE MAN, expect to see your incomes and your freedoms deteriorate considerably. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Planet Project survey
-Caveat Lector- I tried to sign up to take the survey and it told me it couldn't verify the name/email address combination. I tried other email addresses, too, and it said the same thing. Perhaps it doesn't accept Web-based email accounts. Must be trying to register people for a worldwide NWO database. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Time for a Revolt, er, Revote!
-- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ FONT COLOR="#99"eGroups eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! /FONTA HREF="http://click.egroups.com/1/9698/2/_/1406/_/974173609/"BClick Here!/B/A -_- Please send as far and wide as possible. Thanks, Robert Sterling Editor, The Konformist http://www.konformist.com http://www.conspire.com Number 55 Time for a Revolt, er, Revote! Or, How George W. Bush, the Rich Kid Who Gets Away With Everything, is About to Get Away With His Own Little Coup 11/11/00 -- Ah, the good ol' days! When George Bush was the conspiracy president. We miss the ol' CIA chiefin', Big Oil shillin', Trilateral Commission sittin' sonofagun. But wait! It seems that Bush has passed the conspiracy bug on to his boys. The first manifestation of this genetic predisposition: Votescam 2000! We penned our little piece on Votescam almost a decade ago (with an update a few years later in 70 Greatest Conspiracies of All Time), but apparently we were well ahead of our time. (You expected otherwise?) Now, we're not saying there WAS a plot to rig the vote in Florida, and we're not saying that there wasn't -- let's just look at the circumstances... Everyone knew in advance that Florida was one of three must-win states for bumbling Democratic Veep Al Gore. In one of the three, Florida, the Sunshine State, the governor just happens to be the brother of Bush II. Then on election night, the state that causes the most problems, the closest and last one to get its vote count finished is -- surprise! -- Florida. And the voting process there, it amazingly transpires, is riddled with "irregularities." Let's not be too paranoid, but didn't Little Bush look just a tad too serene after the networks, early in the evening, projected Florida for Gore, thus effectively (had they been right) sending the Busher back to the bushes? Gosh, it's almost like he knew he was going to win, or something. But of course, that's impossible. Maybe it all adds up to nada. Probably does. However -- if you consider all of those circumstances and you're not suspicious, you're stupid. In one sure-fire-Gore Florida county (Palm Beach) the ballot proves "confusing," causing thousands of mostly Jewish voters to vote for Pat Buchanan, the country's leading defender of accused Nazi war criminals. Or, they double-punched their ballots, voting by accident for Buchanan, then punching through for Gore/Lieberman, thus disenfranchising themselves. Talk show hosts across America have had great fun ridiculing the astigmatic, Alzheimer's-inflicted Jewish voters of Palm Beach County -- aren't elderly Jewish people a scream?? -- but no one argues that voters didn't mean to vote for Gore. In other words, George W. Bush won by accident. The notion of returning something that is not rightfully his has not occurred to him, as of yet. We use the term "acccident" carefully. Repeated TV and radio interviews with voters from Palm Beach County have yielded a description of the ballot that differs from the ballot shown on CNN. Apparently, when the computer-card ballot was slipped into its holder, the holes didn't line up the way they were supposed to. We guess no one checks for those things. In other counties, allegations that black voters were intimidated by police roadblocks set up near polling places, or told that when they showed up, the polls were closed or that there were no ballots left. And let's not forget the strange tale of Volusia County where Gore lost 16,000 votes and the Socialist Workers candidate gained 10,000 due to some kind of "glitch" -- in a single precinct with only 600 voters. Interesting also to note that of the approximately 28,000 ballots that were thrown out and not counted in Palm Beach County, nearly half came from precincts that were mostly black or elderly, the Palm Beach Post reports. In predominantly black voting districts, 16 percent of ballots were not counted, double the total for predominantly white districts. According to the Washington Post, "Douglas Daniels, a lawyer for Gore here, predicts there will be 'television movies about how the election was stolen in Volusia County.' He frets that Volusia will become conspiracy theorists' new 'Grassy Knoll gunman.'" Indeed. Okay, so, what happened next? How about, incompetent dolt Gore (how the hell an incumbent vice-president sitting on a seemingly thriving peacetime economy allows an election against the dumbest rich-kid, frat-boy bozo ever to run for president to get this close remains mind-boggling) at last gets his act together. He demands that the votes be counted again -- and again if neccessary. He, through his surrogates, pledges to scrutinize the Florida SNAFUs by legal means, if neccessary. He'll take it to court. All pretty reasonable, despite the shrill wailing of the punits and Republicans who have become nearly
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: The Five Sullivans
-Caveat Lector- Believe they are off a year or two on that one Tenorlove - didn't catch that but someone made typo. I am wondering about the story as to the death of the eldest son, George Sullivan. Also wonder about the sinking of the Edmund Fitzgerald some years back - they wrote a song on that one So much misinformation on web you have to go to the source and I have not found anymore on this story that George did not die on the ship, but survived - as for the USS Cole - targeted along with this ship was the USS The Sullivans? Someone trying to make a point here? I always wonder about John F. Kennedy and his PT 109now the 91st Psalm is the Astrologers Psalmmight say the 69th Psalm is for those who go down to the sea in ships, like the Titanic all timed and keyed to certain dates.then if you read that horrible 109th psalm you have key to vendetta and a lot of things = planned mafia murders - but which Mafia to blame? So my only reliable source of information today is the King James Bible and a very strange little bible calendar code which is familiar to the KGB, the Mossad, and the CIA- and FBI. Chameleons all? Include Bnai Brith is this, for the ADL and Bnai Brith formed their own little masonic order. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 'Dubya' Bush's nephew in car sex romp
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/15/2000 1:04:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Police Sgt Oscar Brannon found Bush Jr and his unnamed blonde companion, a student at an elite private school, "both naked from the waist down" and locked in a lusty embrace inside a blue Jeep Cherokee. Officer Brannon filed a "sexual misconduct" report for having sex in a public place and both sets of parents were informed. According to one of the security guards, "Jebby treated it all as a bit of a joke, especially, after he had spoken to his father. He said, 'My dad will fix it.'" It's odd only in that the Bush family values have not "trickled down." Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Legal battle could put Speaker in Oval Office
-Caveat Lector- Well its the old Three Presidents routine.. So Prudy, today's conservatives were yesterday's old time democrats. For there is no democrat party today - the CFR took its structure and now has control. Today it is blacks out, hispanics in.good Catholic votes here normally, who do not scream persecution.when I see Jesse Jackson down in Florida, one has to remember he would have filled King's shoes - but people were always a little suspect of Jesse - for he stood beside King the day he was murdered and I always wondered who made the reservations at that dumpy motel So Black out, and Hispanics in - or like Colin Powell, Jamacian and Asiatic or like Tiger Woods, half Asiatic.Asians are in too. Its the old triple crossfor look at Africa and wonder how any party deserves the vote of black America? I liked it when we had segregation by choice - no guns to peoples backs or guns directed to kids going to school and a George Wallace giving in, only to the law refusing to start a war against Americans/. For now comes the Genocidethe masses to be murdered and by their fruits you shall know them. These are not Democrats - these are the fascists in disguise as promised by Huey Long, who made the statement when fascism comes it will come in disguise. For sample see pre Nazi Germany - books on black magic, drugs, pornogroaphy flooded the land.excuse to start the holocaust but who finances same? These are going to be interesting years - but consider too, the next elected President better have his OB written in advance. For this is the astrologers day of the Three Presidents and Three Popes...we almost have three Presidents now, as if someone playing a big joke. And it seems to me the joke is on the American people only I do not see any humor in planned genocide be it in the Balkans or Africa or now to be USA. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 'Dubya' Bush's nephew in car sex romp
-Caveat Lector- On 15 Nov 2000, at 9:49, Prudence L. Kuhn wrote: It's odd only in that the Bush family values have not "trickled down." Prudy Actually, he's learned from Clinton's play book and aims to be President himself one day. He knows this will look good on his resume and remind all the ageing libs of their boy Clinton, garnering the nostalgia vote. -- In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Military Absentee Ballots - Some Sent Fourth Class Mail
-Caveat Lector- There are votes from the USS Cole in these absentee ballots - some of these votes are the last votes oftes for some on the Cole..Thanks Mr. President - Commander in Chief who should be Court Martialed by the people. Mail message 15, 2000, 10:24am To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fwd: WND: Navy flying home 3,000 lost ballots From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date:Wed, Nov 15, 2000, 9:10am Subject:WND: Navy flying home 3,000 lost ballots To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wednesday, November 15, 2000 ELECTION 2000, Day 9 Navy flying home 3,000 lost ballots Ship captain: 'A majority of the pilots aboard are registered voters in Florida' At least one major instance of missing overseas military ballots -- involving some 3,000 absentee votes -- appears to be on its way to resolution. WorldNetDaily reported yesterday that a source on the USS Tarawa, a U.S. Navy destroyer near Yemen, said that "thousands" of absentee ballots were languishing onboard. The Navy has now confirmed bundles of overseas ballots left behind -- not on one, but three ships in the Persian Gulf region. According to a New York Post account, Cmdr. Greg Smith, a Navy spokesman, said the ballots of some 3,000 sailors and Marines on the USS Tarawa, USS Deleuth and USS Anchorage would be flown back to the United States "expeditiously." Before the discovery of missing Navy ballots, Defense Department spokesman Kenneth Bacon and Navy Lt. Dave Gai had both criticized WorldNetDaily -- Bacon publicly at a press briefing -- for its reporting on this issue. Bacon referred to WND's initial story as "ludicrous" for reporting that some servicemen and women suspect the Clinton administration may have somehow purposely delayed sending absentee ballots to military personnel overseas because most historically vote Republican. Gai, the Pentagon spokesman quoted in two of WND's stories, had previously said he was "not aware of any large-scale problems." Nevertheless, the newssite's reports caught the attention of Rep. Joe Scarborough, R-Fla., who is now calling for a congressional investigation into the issue. In yesterday's WND report, Oregonian Judy Krutsinger, whose brother-in-law is stationed onboard the Tarawa, said that although the Pentagon had reportedly contacted Florida election officials to inform them that mail from all area warships had been picked up Nov. 7, her relative aboard the Tarawa denied that. "We e-mailed [him] aboard ship about that. ... [H]e e-mailed back saying [the mailbags] are still onboard," Krutsinger told WorldNetDaily. She said the mail was contained in orange bags on 17 pallets and that "ballots were not separated from regular mail, as they should have been." A United Press International account reported comments from a Marine Corps captain from the Tarawa who helped evacuate the dead and injured from the USS Cole after it was attacked by terrorists on Oct. 12. Capt. Van P. Brinson, who did not receive his absentee ballot, wrote in a Nov. 8 e-mail: "I cannot speak for the remainder of the crew of the Tarawa, but I do know that the majority of the Marines and sailors that I have spoken with are in the same boat. What is distressing about the situation," he added, "is that a majority of the pilots aboard are registered voters in Florida." Florida law requires that overseas ballots be postmarked by Election Day, and Friday midnight is the deadline for the state's 67 counties to receive them. Now that the large cache of ballots has been found, "all we're trying to do is see if there's a way to get the mail there," Smith said in the Post story. Smith explained that the reason the shipboard mail was forgotten was because the three West Coast-based ships were preoccupied assisting the stricken Cole after it was bombed last month. Once someone realized that the mail contained time-sensitive ballots -- whose importance is now increased dramatically because of the historically close race -- the Navy agreed to fly the ballots to the U.S. post haste. Meanwhile, stateside, the U.S. Postal Service says it is fast-tracking military overseas ballots destined for Florida -- promising to get them to the 67 county election departments the same day they arrive in the U.S., the Post reported. The ballots are being processed by postal employees at the Air Mail Center near Miami International Airport, according to an Associated Press report, where all overseas military mail sent to the United States arrives. Ballots destined for South Florida counties are being driven to the appropriate post offices for same-day delivery, while those earmarked for north and central Florida counties are flown to regional mail centers, then forwarded to the local post office for delivery to election officials. According to the AP story, as of Monday the postal service had delivered 446 military overseas ballots to Florida since Nov. 8. An unofficial Associated Press survey of 64 of Florida's 67 election supervisors
[CTRL] Clinton Sets Aside More Land With No General Public Access...
Title: Clinton Sets Aside More Land With No General Public Access... Move out the citizens, move in the troops... http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_fosters_news/20001115_xnfos_president_.shtml Jamie
[CTRL] Lots of Military Remember USS Liberty and will remember Cole too.
-Caveat Lector- More on military vote...all that crap about fighting for freedom - when it is the duty of the President to provide for the defense of this nation not aid in its destruction. Remember the USS Liberty and USS Coleand our military whom someone tried to deprive of their vote.lay that at at Clinton Gore door. Saba Mail message Date: Wed, Nov 15, 2000, 10:26am To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fwd: Those missing military ballots [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date:Wed, Nov 15, 2000, 9:13am Subject:Those missing military ballots To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wednesday, November 15, 2000 BETWEEN THE LINES Those missing military ballots by Joseph Farah Now it's up to the military. In most countries, facing a constitutional crisis over a hung election would be a scary prospect. But in America, military service people have traditionally exhibited sounder voting judgment than the civilian population. Thus, as America waits for the absentee ballots -- many from members of the armed services stationed overseas -- to be counted this week in the closest presidential election in history, a heavy turnout opposing Vice President Al Gore is expected. But will that be the case? WorldNetDaily's Jon Dougherty has been reporting that many overseas service personnel have been denied their right to participate in the selection of a new commander-in-chief. Many continue to say they have been "cheated" out of their vote -- due to their absentee ballots either arriving late or never arriving at all. Some military families speculate about the possibility of an agenda behind the strange backlog. Many wonder out loud if a Democrat administration purposely delayed or denied thousands of servicemen and women their right to vote, assuming, based on past elections, that most overseas military votes would end up in the Republican column. Some U.S. military families in Germany are reportedly flying the American flag upside down -- a traditional sign of distress -- at their places of residence, as a result of the presidential election and the subsequent balloting difficulties. And it gets worse. There are reports of thousands of ballots still sitting in mailbags aboard at least one U.S. navy ship, the USS Tarawa near Yemen. They were reportedly never picked up, despite the fact that mail is being delivered to the same warship. Keep in mind, WorldNetDaily broke this story before the election -- before anyone had any idea just how close this election would be and how much it would depend on absentee ballots. And though few official meaningful explanations have been forthcoming from the Pentagon, there is no question that WorldNetDaily's stories have attracted the attention of the highest officials in the land. First Kenneth Bacon, official spokesman for the Defense Department and Monica Lewinsky's boss, did his best to disparage WorldNetDaily's reporting in a press conference last week. Bacon referred to WorldNetDaily's first report as "ludicrous." Bacon attempted to shift blame away from the Pentagon and instead put the onus on servicemen themselves, though he acknowledged that the service branches -- at one point -- do handle mail for service members. One reporter, in an attempt to find out what information Bacon was using to refute WorldNetDaily's story, asked, "How would you know whether people are having problems [getting their ballots] or not? How do you know that?" Bacon: "Well, apparently somebody talked to this Internet service. But I assume they could go to an official on the ship or at the base and say, 'I haven't got my ballot.'" Q: "But how would you know back here? In other words, on what basis are you answering our questions today?" Bacon: "Well, I'm answering your questions completely on the basis of procedure; what the procedures are -- " Q: "Right, so you don't know. There could be -- " Bacon: "and I think -- I think -- let me just point out; the most important thing for everybody to realize is that the Pentagon encourages people to vote, but it -- and it tells them how to vote; that is, it tells them the procedures to follow, and the procedures generally involve requesting an absentee ballot from a local authority well enough ahead of time so that the person can get the ballot returned by election day. That's the primary role we play." The Pentagon has also said that about 130,000 service personnel in 1996 -- because of a failure of ballot delivery or request by the member -- did not get absentee ballots and could not vote. The Pentagon has since done its best to quiet whistleblowers in its ranks. Navy Lt. Dave Gai, the Pentagon spokesman who initially spoke to WorldNetDaily about the story, admitted hearing reports "about this [absentee ballot non-deliveries] within the past week," but said that the Defense Department was "trying to get more information." The day after the story broke, however, an agitated Gai contacted WND to complain,
[CTRL] Fwd: NOTICE OF REVOCATION OF INDEPENDENCE
-Caveat Lector- This was sent from a humor list, but I wonder.. The Lame Humor List - http://robeo.cjb.net?lhl NOTICE OF REVOCATION OF INDEPENDENCE To the citizens of the United States of America, In the light of your failure to elect anybody as President of the USA and thus to govern yourselves and, by extension, the freeworld, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your independence, effective today. Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume monarchial duties over all states, commonwealths and other territories including New Jersey, but excluding Florida, Arizona, New Mexico, and California. (Those four states are returned to the jurisdiction of Spain, Cuba, or Mexico, whichever draws the short straw.) To aid in the transition to a British Crown Dependency, please comply with the following acts: 1. Look up "revocation" in the now official Oxford Dictionary. Start spelling English words correctly. 2. Learn at least the first 4 lines of "God Save The Queen" 3. Start referring to "soccer" as football 4. Declare war on Quebec and France 5. Arrest Mel Gibson for treason 6. Close down the NFL. Learn to play rugby 7. Enjoy warm flat beer and steak and kidney pudding. Train waitresses to be more aggressive with customers and not to tell you their names before you eat. 8. July 4th is no longer a public holiday, this has been replaced with November 5th 9. All members of this British Crown Dependency will be required to take 6 weeks annual vacation and observe statutory tea breaks. 10.Driving on the left is now compulsory - recall all cars to effect the change immediately. 11.Report to our Consulate General in NY - M Wragg - for your new passport and job allocation. 12. Add the Royal insignia to the top of the Washington Monument - and the Queens Christmas speeches to the Lincoln Memorial. Tax collectors from Her Majesty's Government will be with you shortly to ensure the acquisiton of all revenues due (backdated to 1776). __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: {slick-d} Will There Be Blood In The Streets?
Is this how Clinton will attempt to remain Commander in Chief? Next thing coming our way will be another Jack the Ripper - who was a poet, a barber surgeon, a slaughterman, an had the pen of a ready writer operating under law of Draconians? In my opinion Jack the Ripper has been sitting in the Oval Office for 8 years Further evidence to my contention that the next armed American Revolution is closer than most think. Bruce Chesley Truth is a terrible cross to bear. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered.". Thomas Paine Treason for $$$: ALL "pro 2A" orgs. Will There Be Blood In The Streets? Report By Hal Turner http://www.halturnershow.com/blood.htm http://www.sierratimes.com/arht111200.htm 11-13-00 While Gore supporters are holding protests in the streets, Bush supporters are buying bullets at gun shops. In the three days since the U.S. General Election, ammunition sales throughout the United States have jumped an astonishing 900%. Americans are furious over massive, blatant and widespread vote fraud by supporters of Al Gore and many are openly talking about "blood in the streets." Voter fraud in Tuesdays general election has Radio Talk Shows throughout the United States burning up with callers who are openly speaking about civil insurrection, blood in he streets, state secession from the Union and wondering aloud whether President Bill Clinton will use this election debacle as an excuse to remain in power after his term expires on January 20, 2001. Such talk is not limited to fanatics; U.S. Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX), lent credibility to the prospects of violence when he was asked tonight on radio station WBCQ if President Clinton would use this situation to remain in power. Responding to that query, Rep. Paul stated "Six months ago, I thought the idea was preposterous. Now I'm not so sure. The people would come out and there would be total violence." Here's a brief list of just some of the fraud: Tens of thousands of U.S. Military personnel around the world were unable to cast ballots for the first time in US History because their Military Absentee ballots "got lost in the mail." In past elections, the Military voted 9:1 in favor of Republicans. Thousands of non-US Citizens - who cannot legally vote - were sent letters by President Bill Clinton just days before the election, informing them they had registered, and even providing them with Voter Identification Cards to sign and use when voting ! These mailings were sent to states with large Latino populations such as California, possibly allowing enough non-citizens to vote and sway the election. In New York City, voting machines were tampered with, disabling the Republican voting levers. When voters came out of the malfunctioning voting booths and sought a paper ballot, it let polling workers know the voter was going to vote Republican because those were the only levers that weren't working. A television news crew caught Democrat vote counters in Brooklyn, New York throwing thousands of paper ballots into garbage dumpsters - resulting in thousands of Republican votes disappearing. Also in New York, registered Republican voters were told in hundreds of polling places they were no longer registered to vote. Those persons were offered a paper "provisional ballot" but when those ballots were filled out, Poll workers refused to place the Ballots in a locked box. In the Albuquerque, New Mexico area, computerized voting machines were reprogrammed so that votes were not counted whenever anyone cast ballots for all candidates from the same political party ! Upwards of 68,000 votes may have been reprogrammed out of existence. In Michigan, Gore campaign workers were paying drunks and homeless hobos with cigarettes if those people would register to vote and cast a ballot for Gore. In Missouri, polling places in heavy Democrat areas remained open up to four hours after the legal time, allowing those Democrats to cast ballots. In New Jersey, hundreds of voters in urban Democrat areas like Hudson and Essex County, were jammed into the hallways at the County Boards of Elections, casting absentee or provisional ballots hours after the polls legally closed. The media a willing participant: Just minutes after voting places on the east coast closed, major news networks began "calling' the race. But when the networks "called" Florida as being won by Al Gore, they did so despite the fact that a portion of that state is in the Central time zone and those polling places were still open. These premature "call" of Florida by the media caused tens -of-thousands of voters in the affluent Republican area of the Florida panhandle, to leave polling places without voting because they thought Gore had already won. Florida is now the key state in the Presidential race. False Claims of fraud in Palm Beach County, Florida Democrats have been complaining wildly about alleged
Re: [CTRL] 'Dubya' Bush's nephew in car sex romp
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/15/2000 10:32:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually, he's learned from Clinton's play book and aims to be President himself one day. He knows this will look good on his resume and remind all the ageing libs of their boy Clinton, garnering the nostalgia vote. Now that really is odd. Can you imagine a Bush boy-revolutionary wanting to be a Democrat? Maybe this one will even study in school. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Israeli War Crimes
Rights Groups Charge Israelis With War Crimes Israel’s iron fist tactics have been condemned as war atrocities by an international human rights group. Exclusive to The SPOTLIGHT By Christopher Bollyn Israel’s military tactics in the occupied territories have been strongly condemned and “could amount to war crimes,” according to the London-based human rights group Amnesty International (AI). An American group, Physicians for Human Rights USA (PHR), also investigated the clashes by sending a team of three physicians to the occupied territories in Gaza and the West Bank from Oct. 20-27. PHR reinforced AI’s findings, reporting that the Israeli Defense Force (IDF) uses live ammunition and rubber-coated steel bullets “excessively and inappropriately.” Five weeks of Arab-Israeli violence have left 200 people dead—many of them children—almost all of them Palestinian. “There is a pattern of gross human rights violations that may well amount to war crimes,” said Claudio Cordone, AI’s international research director. AI’s latest findings go much further than its earlier criticism that Israeli troops were using “excessive force” against Palestinians. Cordone repeated long-standing criticism of Israel’s “iron fist” military response to Palestinian demonstrations that applies “combat reflexes” as opposed to what would be proper policing methods. “There is excessive use of force resulting in killings that shouldn’t take place,” Cordone said. “If a kid is throwing stones at you but not posing any other risk—you don’t shoot him.” Geneva Conventions VIOLATED AI says the Israeli forces are breaking the Geneva Conventions as well as their own rules, namely, that lethal force must only be used to counter an immediate threat to life. As part of international humanitarian law, the Geneva Civilian Convention (1949) protects civilians under occupation and has applied to Israel’s occupation of the West Bank and Gaza since the 1967 war. An IDF senior officer told PHR that “the Fourth Geneva Convention and other humanitarian laws apply” to the current clashes. The Geneva Conventions prohibit murder, torture and cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment. Included in the Geneva Conventions is a law against force that results in disproportionate and/or indiscriminate killing of or violence toward civilians. In an occupation, such as Israel’s of the West Bank and Gaza, the rule of proportionality applies and prohibits excessive force against civilians. DEATH FROM ABOVE Israel has repeatedly used combat helicopters firing heavy machine guns and armor-piercing missiles on Palestinian civilians, towns, and even ambulances. The PHR team examined a Red Crescent Ambulance in Gaza which was damaged by a helicopter gunship. The Israeli helicopter strafed the ambulance with five 50-caliber shells that passed right through the ambulance, including a metal gurney. The bullets used by the IDF against Jewish citizens in Israel or Jewish settlers in the occupied territories are very different than those used on Palestinians. The bullets used for Jewish riot control are solid rubber. There have been no reported deaths resulting from these bullets. The so-called rubber bullets used by the IDF against Israel’s Arab citizens and Palestinians are significantly different. The “Arab bullets” examined by the PHR team are merely rubber-coated steel bullets and very lethal. The rubber-coated bullets used on Palestinians are of two shapes: spherical and cylindrical. The bullets used against Arabs only look rubber with a thin 2 mm outer rubber shell around a solid steel core 1.83 cm in diameter. HEAD INJURIES PHR concluded that Israeli soldiers are shooting high-velocity live ammunition and rubber-coated steel bullets with intent to kill and maim Palestinian demonstrators, based on the high number of injuries to the head and thighs. PHR’s analysis of fatal gun shot wounds in Gaza reveals that approximately 50 percent were to the head. The high proportion of fatal head wounds suggests that soldiers are specifically targeting Palestinians’ eyes. The IDF spokesman told the PHR team that he was aware of the high incidence of gun shot wounds to the head, and did not dispute that most of these injuries were inflicted upon people who posed no immediate threat to any member of the IDF. After reviewing medical records of 31 Palestinians killed in Gaza between Sept. 30 and Oct. 24, PHR found that 53 percent were shot by high velocity weapons and 38 percent were under the age of 18. PHR reported a pattern of high velocity gunshot wounds to the leg, particularly to the thigh. These wounds cause extreme injury, usually producing complex fractures and extensive muscle, nerve, and vascular injury. The majority of victims of these injuries will be permanently disabled, according to PHR. Witness reports, IDF statements and information provided to other human rights organizations indicate that those injured in this manner were at most throwing
[CTRL] [6] Killing Pablo - Delta Force, in Bogota, gets the lay of a confusing land
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.killingpablo.com/content/killingpablo/philly/1047343131.htm Click Here: A HREF="http://www.killingpablo.com/content/killingpablo/philly/1047343131.htm" Killing Pablo/A - Delta Force, in Bogota, gets the lay of a confusing land By Mark Bowden INQUIRER STAFF WRITER The U.S. Embassy suspected that a fax received on the day of Escobar's escape was sent by his son, Juan Pablo. PHOTO GALLERIES Chapter Four of a continuing serial Hopes at the U.S. Embassy soared when a Delta Force team led by Col. Jerry Boykin arrived in Bogota late in the evening of Sunday, July 26, 1992. Ambassador Morris Busby's request for Delta to assist in the hunt for Pablo Escobar, much to his surprise, had sailed through Washington. The State Department had approved it and passed it up to the White House, where President George Bush consulted with Joint Chiefs Chairman Colin Powell and then instructed Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney to give the ambassador anything he needed. The word was that Bush, who had poured millions into a new effort to stanch the flow of drugs from South America, had taken a strong personal interest. The order came through Maj. Gen. George Joulwon, commander of the U.S. Army Southern Command in Panama, and Maj. Gen. William F. Garrison, commander of the Joint Special Operations Command at Fort Bragg, N.C. Col. Boykin and his crew flew south that evening with authorization to get the job done. Their mission was code-named Heavy Shadow. They arrived on a U.S. Air Force jet painted to look like a standard commercial flight. Eight very fit American men dressed in civilian clothes were met at El Dorado airport in Bogota by midlevel embassy officials and driven downtown in the dark, moving swiftly along roads that in daylight would have been choked with traffic. The U.S. Embassy was just north of central Bogota, a gray, four-story, L-shaped structure with a windowless fifth floor atop one arm. It was set back behind high walls. In the vault on the closed fifth floor, Busby was waiting with CIA Station Chief Bill Wagner and Joe Toft, the top DEA man in Bogota. Busby and Boykin were old friends, and after a few minutes of getting caught up, the ambassador began briefing the Delta colonel on the situation. It was, to say the least, confusing. From the rondos of blame taking place in the government palaces to the furious caterwauling of the Colombian press, the July 22 prison escape of Pablo Escobar had set off a great storm in Bogota. There were hourly contradictory reports: Pablo had been captured; Pablo had been killed; Pablo had surrendered; Pablo was still hiding in the jail. To an extent that no one had anticipated, the Escobar problem was a keystone that touched every fissure of Colombia's confusing power structure. When Escobar walked out of jail, the hopeful administration of President Cesar Gaviria had begun to splinter. Every day a new official investigation began. The Ministry of Justice accused the army of accepting bribes to allow Escobar's escape; one widely circulated (and false) report held that Escobar had paid huge sums to the soldiers around the prison, then walked out dressed as a woman. President Gaviria had already fired all the guards and army officers associated with the disaster, as well as the air force general whose pilots had kept the assault force waiting for hours on the ground in Bogota after they were ordered to attack the prison. The military began spreading rumors that Escobar had escaped through a secret underground tunnel. It seemed possible: On intercepted phone calls from the prison in the weeks before the escape, Escobar and his men had been overheard speaking about using "the tunnel." Escobar had, in fact, left by more conventional means. The "tunnel" turned out to be the drug boss' term for the covered truck that was used to roll contraband - women, weapons, bodies, alcohol - up and down the mountain under the studiously uninterested noses of prison guards and army patrols. The truck helped Escobar maintain his extravagant lifestyle inside the comfortable "prison" that he had paid to have built and that was guarded by men he controlled. The day after his disappearance, Escobar's lawyers had presented the government with a surrender offer. In his typical arrogant, formal style, the drug boss' demands were enumerated: (1) That he would be able to return to prison; (2) That his guards be rehired; (3) That aerial surveillance of the prison be stopped; (4) That no additional charges be brought against him; (5) That his family and those of the others be allowed unrestricted prison visits; (6) That the National Police have nothing to do with his rearrest or imprisonment. Much to the satisfaction of the U.S. Embassy, President Gaviria had flatly refused to negotiate. The following day an odd communique was broadcast by the national radio station Caracol, from someone calling himself "Dakota," who claimed to speak for "The
[CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Israeli War Crimes- NOT!
Wow, nice propaganda article here. If it's truth you seek then visit here...http://www.members.home.net/projectonesoul/israel/israel.htm and this one... http://www.rotter.net/israel/ I'll throw rocks at you with the intent to kill you and if you have a gun, you have every right to fire back. "Oh wait, he's throwing rocks at me, I have to play fair, put down my weapon and throw rocks back." Since when is war fair? And not just that, but they are NOT only using rocks, they do have weapons, but CNN doesn't want us to know that either. Jamie -Original Message-From: William Shannon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 10:00 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [CTRL] Israeli War CrimesRights Groups Charge Israelis With War Crimes Israel’s iron fist tactics have been condemned as war atrocities by an international human rights group. Exclusive to The SPOTLIGHT By Christopher Bollyn Israel’s military tactics in the occupied territories have been strongly condemned and “could amount to war crimes,” according to the London-based human rights group Amnesty International (AI). An American group, Physicians for Human Rights USA (PHR), also investigated the clashes by sending a team of three physicians to the occupied territories in Gaza and the West Bank from Oct. 20-27. PHR reinforced AI’s findings, reporting that the Israeli Defense Force (IDF) uses live ammunition and rubber-coated steel bullets “excessively and inappropriately.” Five weeks of Arab-Israeli violence have left 200 people dead—many of them children—almost all of them Palestinian. “There is a pattern of gross human rights violations that may well amount to war crimes,” said Claudio Cordone, AI’s international research director. AI’s latest findings go much further than its earlier criticism that Israeli troops were using “excessive force” against Palestinians. Cordone repeated long-standing criticism of Israel’s “iron fist” military response to Palestinian demonstrations that applies “combat reflexes” as opposed to what would be proper policing methods. “There is excessive use of force resulting in killings that shouldn’t take place,” Cordone said. “If a kid is throwing stones at you but not posing any other risk—you don’t shoot him.” Geneva Conventions VIOLATED AI says the Israeli forces are breaking the Geneva Conventions as well as their own rules, namely, that lethal force must only be used to counter an immediate threat to life. As part of international humanitarian law, the Geneva Civilian Convention (1949) protects civilians under occupation and has applied to Israel’s occupation of the West Bank and Gaza since the 1967 war. An IDF senior officer told PHR that “the Fourth Geneva Convention and other humanitarian laws apply” to the current clashes. The Geneva Conventions prohibit murder, torture and cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment. Included in the Geneva Conventions is a law against force that results in disproportionate and/or indiscriminate killing of or violence toward civilians. In an occupation, such as Israel’s of the West Bank and Gaza, the rule of proportionality applies and prohibits excessive force against civilians. DEATH FROM ABOVE Israel has repeatedly used combat helicopters firing heavy machine guns and armor-piercing missiles on Palestinian civilians, towns, and even ambulances. The PHR team examined a Red Crescent Ambulance in Gaza which was damaged by a helicopter gunship. The Israeli helicopter strafed the ambulance with five 50-caliber shells that passed right through the ambulance, including a metal gurney. The bullets used by the IDF against Jewish citizens in Israel or Jewish settlers in the occupied territories are very different than those used on Palestinians. The bullets used for Jewish riot control are solid rubber. There have been no reported deaths resulting from these bullets. The so-called rubber bullets used by the IDF against Israel’s Arab citizens and Palestinians are significantly different. The “Arab bullets” examined by the PHR team are merely rubber-coated steel bullets and very lethal. The rubber-coated bullets used on Palestinians are of two shapes: spherical and cylindrical. The bullets used against Arabs only look rubber with a thin 2 mm outer rubber shell around a solid steel core 1.83 cm in diameter. HEAD INJURIES PHR concluded that Israeli soldiers are shooting high-velocity live ammunition and rubber-coated steel bullets with intent to kill and maim Palestinian demonstrators, based on the high number of injuries to the head and thighs. PHR’s analysis of fatal gun shot wounds in Gaza reveals that approximately 50 percent were to the head. The high proportion of fatal head wounds suggests that soldiers are specifically targeting Palestinians’ eyes. The IDF spokesman
[CTRL] Fwd: AIDS body says catastrophe threatens Russia
In a message dated 11/15/00 8:46:15 AM Central Standard Time, AOL News writes: Subj: AIDS body says catastrophe threatens Russia Date: 11/15/00 8:46:15 AM Central Standard Time From: AOL News BCC: Ahab42 AIDS body says catastrophe threatens Russia MOSCOW, Nov 15 (Reuters) - The spread of AIDS could reach catastrophic proportions in Russia unless officials take quick action to reduce runaway growth rates of the killer disease, Russian and foreign experts said on Wednesday For the full text of this story, click here. To edit your profile, go to keyword NewsProfiles. For all of today's news, go to keyword News. AIDS body says catastrophe threatens Russia MOSCOW, Nov 15 (Reuters) - The spread of AIDS could reach catastrophic proportions in Russia unless officials take quick action to reduce runaway growth rates of the killer disease, Russian and foreign experts said on Wednesday For the full text of this story, A HREF="aol://4344:30.L100S9E1.7269896.658766759"click here/A. To edit your profile, go to keyword A HREF="aol://1722:NewsProfiles"NewsProfiles/A. For all of today's news, go to keyword A HREF="aol://1722:News"News/A.
[CTRL] Fwd: The liberal elite's plan for a second civil war
Source: The Daily Telegraph...UK http://www.dailytelegraph.co.uk:80/ The liberal elite's plan for a second civil war http://www.dailytelegraph.co.uk:80/dt?ac=003819790762734rtmo=VkjjPGlxatmo=rr rqpg=/00/11/14/do02.html By Janet Daley WHEN I was in America recently, watching Al Gore strut around during his last television debate with George W Bush - waving his finger in his opponent's face and generally behaving like the most obnoxious smart a - - e in the lower fifth - I thought to myself, "What kind of person thinks that this is the way to behave when he is running for the presidency?" Well, now we know. Mr Gore is the sort of person who is prepared to set fire to the stadium because he has lost the game. I am what is known in official diplomatic terms as a "dual national", having both British and American citizenship, so I view these startling events with a peculiar kind of double vision. (The American authorities took my passport away at one point when I became a naturalised Briton, but gave it back when the Supreme Court decided, in a characteristic resurgence of American reason and fairness, that US citizens could not so easily be deprived of their nationality.) When I can peel myself away from the CNN coverage on my television screen, I take a look at the parochial wittering that constitutes so much of the British commentary on this great political spectacle. Being immersed, as I generally am, in Britain's own political discourse, it seems odd to see it shrink before my eyes into this irrelevant, largely ignorant and obviously self-interested babble. Does no one in this country - including the American correspondents of our broadcasting networks - have any real understanding of the political culture and history of the United States? Do the British Left-liberal commentators who want to see Mr Gore elected at any price have any idea of the logical consequences of what they are saying? The opening shot of the British "Gore was robbed" school is usually the popular vote case. If marginally more people voted for Mr Gore than for Mr Bush in the national vote, then he must be the moral winner. Surely the less popular candidate cannot be rightfully elected president? Ergo, the entire electoral college system is antiquated rubbish which should be junked in favour of strict majoritarianism. What this would mean in practice would be that all future presidential elections would be determined by a few densely populated urban conurbations: New York, Chicago and Los Angeles would have an unbreakable stranglehold on the presidency. The great mass of rural and small-town middle America, virtually the whole sweep of the continent from north to south between the two coastal fringes, would be effectively powerless. This is precisely what those few Democrat hotheads in the United States who have dared to suggest "a rethink" of the electoral college system would like: the absolute dominion of urban liberal political tastes. To institute such a thing would be to reignite the American Civil War, which was settled - uneasily - on the understanding that metropolitan interests would not be allowed to run untrammelled over local ones. The United States, unlike those foppish dilettantes in New Labour, takes its devolution very seriously. And what would the pundits' sudden passion for national majority rule mean if it were applied to Britain? Well, pretty much permanent Conservative government. The vastly more populous South-East, which is usually far more Tory than the country at large, would dominate the election. Our constituency system, which gives disproportionate weight to votes in less populated areas, corrects for this tendency, just as the electoral college system does in America. If the total national vote were to be all that mattered here, voters of the South-West and East Anglia would be largely disfranchised, and those in northern Scotland and Wales should scarcely be bothered to get out of bed on election day. Presumably the majoritarian concept of democracy doesn't look quite so attractive put like that. In the United States, the metropolitan liberal hegemony would be only too happy to write off the hicks, but would the Left here want to disempower those reliable knee-jerk Labour strongholds in the Celtic fringe? Then there is the business of spoilt ballots. Again, much of the British media are allowing themselves to be whipped into a lather by the pantomime which the Democrats have managed to create over ballot papers whose design was considered uncontroversial even by their own party officials until Mr Gore lost the election. What with all the concern about the Palm Beach voters (now known as "Gore's morons") who didn't seem to know how to punch a hole that corresponded to an arrow, we seem to have lost sight of our own stringent attitude to spoilt ballot papers. I expect you are aware - and, certainly, all those commentators who are fretting about the poor confused voters
[CTRL] 20 Year Cycle - Bush or Gore: Whoever Wins, Loses?
-Caveat Lector- 20 Year Cycle - Bush or Gore: Whoever Wins, Loses. Letter from a friend: = I'm sure you know about the "zero year" curse regarding US presidental elections, but I did some minor research to see how each president died. It's pretty interesting. Is this the result of an American Indian curse on the White House for breaking treaties, or is it that Saturn-Jupiter conjunction that happens every twenty years? US presidents dying in office when elected in the zero year (every twenty years since 1840): 1840 -- William Henry Harrison (died of pneumonia after one month in office). 1860 -- Abraham Lincoln (assassinated the first year of his second term in office in 1865). 1880 -- James Garfield (assassinated his first year in office). 1900 -- William McKinley (assassinated his first year in office). 1920 -- Warren Harding (died of a heart attack his second year in office) 1940 -- Franklin D. Roosevelt (died in office of a cerebral hemorrhage in1945). 1960 -- John F. Kennedy (assassinated his third year in office). 1980 -- Ronald Reagan (survived an assassination attempt his first year in office). 2000 -- George W. Bush or Al Gore (?). Astrologers claim that Reagan survived because the Saturn-Jupiter conjunction was in a "soft" sign, but this time it's the most dangerous one since 1900. Btw, rumor has it that Colin Powell didnt run this year because of the curse. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Curse You!
Now the above words in subject matter are not mine rather the title of the original document describing a curse put on Rabin before he was assassinated by alleged fanatic. There is an old curse once used by the Pope which you can find in part in the bible - a Mason once gave me a little green card about my going in and going out and being watchedjoke, I ues, but in Bell Book and Cancle - cursed be his going in and cursed be his going outyet it is said none was worse, for the dreadful curse. Original cursing may be fund in the bible naturally...and of course there was the Fitzgerald Curse of which my grandmother Fitzgerald spoke - men died at teir zenith but counter curse too, they will be someday restored to their highest place and lads and estates restored - might connect to the war of the Roses - Red and White roses, like ones given to Mrs. John F. Kennedy and Mrs. Lyndon B. Johnson, in Dallas Texas.] I did not know this gentleman put a double whammy on Rabin - but see the Israelie govoernment evidently knows the secret of prophecy and cursing..even in days of Shakespeare, anyone suggesting how long and King or Queen should live, or when he would die - paid with their lives, for you see another Royal Secret is straight out of Habbakkuk or Habbaccuc depending on which bible you read write the vision upon the table so he that readeth it may runfor the vision though it tary - it will come true..write it down, like little Sirhan wrote RFK must die, in his diary, over and over..but boy that Jean Dixon got headline publicity, front page stuff where she was proclaimed a "divine prophetess", this psuedo religious political propagandist, to mark the Kenneds for murder - over and over again.triggering off every nut in the country, but also part of conspiracy by premeditated murder by prophecy - the planting of seeds of destruction - and Jean Dixon should have gone to jail as this man did - who is said to have cursed Rabin and within a week or so, the vision and curse came true. Nice people - but as the old King said in the bible.hey, its the psycic dumbo - did I not tell you he would prophecy no good to me, onl evil..so you see 3,000 years ago and even further back - the Gift of Propaganda was part of psychological warfare - like setting loose firebrands...but lets not go into Los Alamos. Saba Bradley R. Smith Revisionism by: CODOH, POB 439016, San Diego, CA 92143 The Revisionist Campus Project Curse You! JERUSALEM, May 28 (Reuter) - The man who put a curse on Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin a month before he was assassinated was convicted in an Israeli court on Wednesday of violating the Prevention of Terrorism Act, a court spokesman said. ``He was convicted under...the Prevention of Terrorism Act,´´ spokesman Moshe Gorali told Reuters. ``The conviction relates to the interview he gave on television about the pulsa denura (curse) succeeding.´´ Gorali said the section of the act violated was that against encouraging violence. Avigdor Eskin, according to local news reports at the time, stood outside Rabin's house on the eve of the Jewish high holy day of Yom Kippur in 1995 and cursed Rabin with the ancient curse of pulsa denura -- Aramaic for ``lashes of fire.´´ The curse Eskin put on Rabin read in part: ``And on him, Yitzhak, son of Rosa, known as Rabin, we have permission...to demand from angels of destruction that they take a sword to this wicked man...to kill him...for handing over the Land of Israel to our enemies.´´ He said the curse generally worked within 30 days. Roughly one month later, on November 4, right-wing Jewish law student Yigal Amir gunned down Rabin after a peace rally in Tel Aviv. Amir said he shot Rabin to prevent him handing Israeli-occupied lands to Palestinian rule under a deal signed with the PLO. Rabin's successor Shimon Peres swiftly carried out the interim peace deal, handing chunks of the West Bank to the PLO. Gorali said Eskin would be sentenced next week. The Justice Ministry said he could receive a maximum sentence of six years. Rabin was the first Israeli prime minister to be assassinated. Peres subsequently lost May 1996 national elections to right-wing Likud party leader Benjamin Netanyahu, who opposed the Rabin-led government's interim peace deals with the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO). Return to NewsDesk CODOH - Box 439016/P-111, San Diego, CA, USA 92143Home Bradley Smith Search Revisionism Freedom Email Curse You! Installed: 5/16/98, 6: 00 PM, PST So did Rabin die of Premeditated Murder by Prophecy?Then we have the Curse of the Pharaohs.and all that gold and oil and uranium somebody other than the owners want and will do anything to geteven commit murder by prophecy aka propaganda. http://www.codoh.com/newsdesk/970528.HTML
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Curse You!
-Caveat Lector- Blessings, Aleisha, Perhaps you can share specifically where these curses are located. The going in and going out one could be a reference to the one Laban gave to Jacob? And please site verses for Habakkuk, because I don't find any curse about an angel with a sword in there... It surprised me that you would make these generalized statements. You are usually so precise in your writings... Dr. Deborah - Original Message - From: "Aleisha Saba" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 6:46 AM Subject: [CTRL] Fwd: Curse You! Now the above words in subject matter are not mine rather the title of the original document describing a curse put on Rabin before he was assassinated by alleged fanatic. There is an old curse once used by the Pope which you can find in part in the bible - a Mason once gave me a little green card about my going in and going out and being watchedjoke, I ues, but in Bell Book and Cancle - cursed be his going in and cursed be his going outyet it is said none was worse, for the dreadful curse. Original cursing may be fund in the bible naturally...and of course there was the Fitzgerald Curse of which my grandmother Fitzgerald spoke - men died at teir zenith but counter curse too, they will be someday restored to their highest place and lads and estates restored - might connect to the war of the Roses - Red and White roses, like ones given to Mrs. John F. Kennedy and Mrs. Lyndon B. Johnson, in Dallas Texas.] I did not know this gentleman put a double whammy on Rabin - but see the Israelie govoernment evidently knows the secret of prophecy and cursing..even in days of Shakespeare, anyone suggesting how long and King or Queen should live, or when he would die - paid with their lives, for you see another Royal Secret is straight out of Habbakkuk or Habbaccuc depending on which bible you read write the vision upon the table so he that readeth it may runfor the vision though it tary - it will come true..write it down, like little Sirhan wrote RFK must die, in his diary, over and over..but boy that Jean Dixon got headline publicity, front page stuff where she was proclaimed a "divine prophetess", this psuedo religious political propagandist, to mark the Kenneds for murder - over and over again.triggering off every nut in the country, but also part of conspiracy by premeditated murder by prophecy - the planting of seeds of destruction - and Jean Dixon should have gone to jail as this man did - who is said to have cursed Rabin and within a week or so, the vision and curse came true. Nice people - but as the old King said in the bible.hey, its the psycic dumbo - did I not tell you he would prophecy no good to me, onl evil..so you see 3,000 years ago and even further back - the Gift of Propaganda was part of psychological warfare - like setting loose firebrands...but lets not go into Los Alamos. Saba Bradley R. Smith Revisionism by: CODOH, POB 439016, San Diego, CA 92143 The Revisionist Campus Project Curse You! JERUSALEM, May 28 (Reuter) - The man who put a curse on Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin a month before he was assassinated was convicted in an Israeli court on Wednesday of violating the Prevention of Terrorism Act, a court spokesman said. ``He was convicted under...the Prevention of Terrorism Act,´´ spokesman Moshe Gorali told Reuters. ``The conviction relates to the interview he gave on television about the pulsa denura (curse) succeeding.´´ Gorali said the section of the act violated was that against encouraging violence. Avigdor Eskin, according to local news reports at the time, stood outside Rabin's house on the eve of the Jewish high holy day of Yom Kippur in 1995 and cursed Rabin with the ancient curse of pulsa denura -- Aramaic for ``lashes of fire.´´ The curse Eskin put on Rabin read in part: ``And on him, Yitzhak, son of Rosa, known as Rabin, we have permission...to demand from angels of destruction that they take a sword to this wicked man...to kill him...for handing over the Land of Israel to our enemies.´´ He said the curse generally worked within 30 days. Roughly one month later, on November 4, right-wing Jewish law student Yigal Amir gunned down Rabin after a peace rally in Tel Aviv. Amir said he shot Rabin to prevent him handing Israeli-occupied lands to Palestinian rule under a deal signed with the PLO. Rabin's successor Shimon Peres swiftly carried out the interim peace deal, handing chunks of the West Bank to the PLO. Gorali said Eskin would be sentenced next week. The Justice Ministry said he could receive a maximum sentence of six years. Rabin was the first Israeli prime minister to be assassinated. Peres subsequently lost May 1996 national elections to right-wing Likud party leader Benjamin Netanyahu, who opposed the Rabin-led government's interim peace deals with the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO). Return to NewsDesk CODOH - Box 439016/P-111,
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] THE BUSH FAMILY, FLORIDA, and the AMERICAN CIA by Sherman H. Skolnick
I wouldn't make a move during tense times like these without consulting Sherman Skolnick. Brian -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ FONT COLOR="#99"eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! /FONTA HREF="http://click.egroups.com/1/9699/2/_/475667/_/974317197/"BClick Here!/B/A -_- THE BUSH FAMILY, FLORIDA, and the AMERICAN CIA Part One by Sherman H. Skolnick 11/15/00 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.skolnicksreport.com The former head of America's secret political police has three of his sons and their cronies, in and out of state and federal government,in various covert and reputed fraudulent enterprises. Family patriarch, George Herbert Walker Bush, has a lot to answer for, which the oil-soaked monopoly press never seems to question. The elder Bush, as we have demonstrated, together with three of his sons, George W., Jeb, and Neil, have 25 super secret bank accounts worldwide,through which they have laundered tens of BILLIONS of dollars of illicit funds from the dope traffic, from weapons smuggling, and clandestine and illegal gold smuggling overseas. The commissar of the Federal Reserve, Alan Greenspan, we prefer to label him Redspan, through his secret authorization codes, arranged the clandestine wire transfers for the Bush Family.[See our website series, "Greenspan Aids and Bribes Bush" and documents thereto attached.] The major news networks have not publicized what they already know and have corroborated about the Bush Family and their cronies. One of the most active of the family has been Jeb Bush, at the time of this posting, Governor of Florida. He and his two brothers, and their cronies, have reportedly committed a series of real estate frauds, bank swindles, and other reputed massive rip-offs, for which they should have been prosecuted and imprisoned, and which have caused the taxpayers and innocent parties billions and billions of dollars. A list of their reputed fraudulent enterprises includes but is not limited to the following: ===Marco Island Securities ===Cosmos Development Group ===Destin Country Club Development (Destin, Florida) ===Harken Energy (Bahrain oil development and financial laundry) ===Swissco Management Group ===American Bank and Trust of Pensacola, Florida ===Orange State Bank of Miami, Florida ===Cadillac Development Group, Miami, Florida Jointly with his father and the American CIA, Jeb Bush used these enterprises as a reputed massive money laundry for illicit funds, including funds for bloody dirty tricks of the spy agency, such as overthrowing foreign governments deemed unworthy or unfriendly to the spy shop and, on occasion, assassinating foreign leaders. Reportedly participating in these schemes has been Porter J. Goss, more recently a Congressman (R., Florida), and previously a covert operations officer of the American CIA. Also interwoven with these fraudulent enterprises has been Henry Hyde, Congressman from Chicago suburbs. In violation of the U.S. Constitution's mandate of Separation of Powers, Hyde is also head of the CIA's "black budget" using the dope trafficking proceeds to finance dirty tricks. Hyde was supervising authority of the Mena, Arkansas airport dope trafficking for CIA, jointly with George Herbert Walker Bush, Ollie North, and William Rockefeller Clinton. Hyde has reportedly assisted the Bush family in laundering illicit funds through the Paradise Island (Bahamas) gambling casino.[As we have pointed out elsewhere on our website, Hyde has been criminally implicated with the Paradise Island gang since 1969.] Goss, a Congressman from Florida's 14th Congressional District, has been Chairman of the House Select Committee on Intelligence, that in secret sessions, supervisers the American CIA and their murderous dirty tricks. The Majority Staff Director of the Select Committee, John Millis, was murdered, and typical of an intelligence "hit", was disguised as an alleged "suicide". Just prior to being murdered, disgruntled for various reasons, Millis arranged to leak to a certain outspoken independent minded journalist, lists of CIA proprietary firms, used to disguise CIA dirty tricks. The lists with accompanying details criminally implicates George Herbert Walker Bush and his three sons, Jeb, George W., and Neil, and their cronies in Florida State government. Some of these CIA adjuncts, privatized for "cover", have been owned, in turn, by Caribbean and European tax havens, where local laws guarantee absolute secrecy, and where financial enterprises and "shell companies" launder the illicit proceeds from the dope traffic, weapons smuggling, gold covert traffic, and the sale of nuclear bomb triggers. [An Italian-based scandal, interwoven with this, was the Roger D'Onofrio Affair, subject of Reuters and other wire service stories not well-publicized in the U.S. These stories, under a Rome dateline, early in December, 1995,
[CTRL] 'Spy falcon' caught at India/Pakistan border
-Caveat Lector- Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 19:44:35 +0100 From: "Mario Profaca" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 'Spy falcon' caught at India/Pakistan border 'Spy falcon' caught at India/Pakistan border http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_115913.html?nav_src=newsIndexHeadline A trained 'spy falcon' fitted with radio antennae has been caught at the Indian border with Pakistan. The bird, trained by Pakistan to collect information and transmit it back, was sitting on an Indian border post in Jaisalmer, border security forces say. It had a ring around its neck and Indian officials say a guard on the Pakistani side of the border was listening to conversations from the Indian side through a transmitter, reports The India Express. Pakistani officials have demanded the return of the bird but the Indian government says it plans to examine it thoroughly. Indian border forces say it is the third such 'spy bird' caught near the border. Last updated: 14:19 Tuesday 14th November 2000. FOR MORE INFORMATION RELATED TO SPY BIRDS - MUST SEE: Mario's SPY BIRDS page http://mprofaca.cro.net/spybirds.html A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] A Few Bell Book and Candle Curses and add the Masonic Touch as Well
So Deborah - you got the hammer, I got the nail? Now Deuteronomy 28 is probably the best source of the masonic green card I was given before the FBI put a watch ono me over 30 years ago, for they thought I had access to secret filesJ. Edgar Hoover personally told two armed Teamsters who visited me that I got the stuff on my ownI was not the thorn in their side for I was the Rose of Rose Hill. I reproduce this in part...the curse against the Fitzgeralds is found in the bible Book of Job...Jean Dixon in a book she sent to me with her prayer card, called the Kennedy Brothers the Sons of Job.as Bobby died, Jobs Coffin (delphinius) was approaching the June skies What an old bat she was.she claimed direct NOBLE descent from the Kaiser Wilhelm, but bet she could not prove her pedigree for she looked like something the gypsys left in a basket on someone's doorstep So Habakkuk 2 - you find the write the visiion upon the table so he that readeth it may runHabakkuk sounds like Jehovah Witnesses Watchtowerregardless, the Eagle that hasted to eath was the symbolism of the President that day - along with Ezekial 38 and 39 you have key to murdertimed to the Sword of Gideon and his 300?? The Gideon Bible Calendar is the master plan for murder - Gordon Novel once told me no, why not call it the Master Plan for Life? But if this be true - why were the democrats destroyed and murdered and it was CFR taking over Democrat party, guys like Richard Celeste, CFR/Rhodes Scholar, William J. Clinton, CFR/Rhodes Scholar and this stupid John . Gilliigan who also managed one germ as Govenor is Ohio.Celeste released Jewish Mafia Hit man who murdered black doctor for no reason for his two Jewish Mafia doctor friends the one of whom used to entertain Meyer Lansky..and we know Lansky had hand in JFK murder. So we got to the moon, and the Gideon Bible was taken to the moon along with Dixon's astrological predictions for a laugh..as they circled the moon they read from Genesis = but remember the Apollo sabotaged and three men burnt to death timed to the Gideon Calendar of Death..Shadrach, Meshenk and Abenego..and JFK's high noon in Dallas all timed to this murderer's bible. So see what you will...we are coming out of the wilderness again, but who now plays Moses?Keeping in mind in Deuteronny 38 and 39 both are knocked off on Mt. Nebo . So who plays Moses this time - see Norman McKenzie's Secret Socieies, and you find Jomo Kenyatta (super black mason) played Moses but wanted to avoid crucifixion - he wanted to return to secular education and restore lost foundariessound familiar? Anyway God gave Ishmael all that oil.he also knew where the gold and berylliam was located and the uraniam. Bible big geography book with secret locoations of lots of lost gold - some of it Nazi Gold ..but at least the Spear of Longinus made it back to it its proper place, for who would want that old piece of metal once held by Phineas and Charlemagne handed to Longinus - none other than George Patton, who may have died for it. Patton, saw the Master Plan.the men in Spandau had this bible code and so did the CIA who once used it, and KGB who took from Nazis in Spandau - from the Baron von Schirack. So here we go - three Presidents againReagan lived though and broke the cycle, but was never the same.and the CFR had warned him publicly a week before the planned murder to knock it off...for you see six month before Reagan was elected, the plan ws in the making for his death should he make it. Saba Best I can do now Deborah as I am leaving my home for awhile - I wish I could express myself better as I once did when I drove J. Edgar up a wall...at least, I got his attention. Here you go...a few curses...the Flaming Sword can be symbolized by let us say even the rod of iron which struck through RFK or Oswalds "curtain rods" said that day upon inquiry when asked what he had in the bag.curtain rods.the final curtaingoodbye old pal..mafia talk and even Elvis sang he did it his way and knew he had to die.for he had his final curtain.Mafia style, high noon, low noon murder, in the open sight of otherssudden death - like the movie Suddenly starring Frank Sinatra or like old plays of Shakespeare said to inspire people to murder a King or a Queen .. For its Show Time.Gore must be more stupid than I thought..Baby Bush has already survived one attempt on his life - a dump truck. CFR controls cartage trucks now through AFSCME and they had (AFSCME Jerry Wurf, CFR) invited Dr. King to his death to die for dues check off.but he saw the promised land, climbed Mt. Nebo and met sudden death all timed date wise, to his sermons and calendarfor where did King get this Calendar? KGB stuff? CFR stuff?Or is there a difference between the two? ...Could call this good news and bad newsin other
Re: [CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Israeli War Crimes- NOT!
-Caveat Lector- Stopforth, Jamie wrote: Wow, nice propaganda article here. If it's truth you seek then visit here...http://www.members.home.net/projectonesoul/israel/israel.htm and this one... http://www.rotter.net/israel/ I'll throw rocks at you with the intent to kill you and if you have a gun, you have every right to fire back. "Oh wait, he's throwing rocks at me, I have to play fair, put down my weapon and throw rocks back." Since when is war fair? And not just that, but they are NOT only using rocks, they do have weapons, but CNN doesn't want us to know that either. Jamie Jamie, Can you tell me why the large difference in the body count? Are Palestinians such shitty shots? Any fool can get a good body count with an Uzi or an AK on full auto, what's the problem? Is it that we aren't getting the facts? I don't know why the Israelis just don't herd the Palestinians onto trains for "relocation", hell they already have them in ghettoes. -- ´´ Mark McHugh Israel--Hitler's revenge on the world -Anon A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Israeli War Crimes- NOT!
Title: RE: [CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Israeli War Crimes- NOT! Jamie, Can you tell me why the large difference in the body count? Are Palestinians such shitty shots? Any fool can get a good body count with an Uzi or an AK on full auto, what's the problem? Is it that we aren't getting the facts? I don't know why the Israelis just don't herd the Palestinians onto trains for relocation, hell they already have them in ghettoes. -- ´´ Mark McHugh Israel--Hitler's revenge on the world -Anon So by default the people with the less body count are the Bad Guys? Hmm Let me see, I have a grenade launcher, an enemy soldier fires at me, I launch back killing him and his surrounding soldiers? Just one of the many scenarios that can play out in the dynamics of battle But as for body count numbers... Can I get a recount? My point being, just how accurate are those numbers? Do you know for sure? Are issues like that still open to question even after they've been reported by the major media outlets? I would hope so. As for the catchy quote... People are free to say anything they feel is true... I don't even know the Anon guy, maybe he was famous, maybe not, but if he was, does it make his statement anymore correct? Jamie Reality--The perception of truth based on observation -Jamie Look, I have a cool quote now...
[CTRL] Address by Dr. Doug Rokke, former head of the Pentagon's Depleted Uranium Project
Vieques Libre - http://www.viequeslibre.orgThe following is a copy of the Address given by Dr. Doug Rokke, formerhead of the Pentagon's Depleted Uranium Project, at the National Vietnamand Gulf War Veterans Coalition 17th Annual Leadership Breakfast, at theU.S. Senate Caucus Room on November 10, 2000. Adrian Cronauer was Masterof Ceremonies. Distinguished Members of Congress, Coalition Leaders, FellowWarriors, and Guests-- It is a distinct honor to address you today.During the Gulf War I was the U.S. Army health physicist assigned to 12thPreventive Medicine AM theater command staff and the 3rd U.S. Army MedicalCommand headquarters. I was recalled to active duty 20 years afterserving in Vietnam, from my research job with the University of IllinoisPhysics Department and sent to the Gulf to ensure that all military andcivilian personnel were prepared for the anticipated nuclear, biological,chemical, and environmental exposures. I also was assigned to two equallyvital special operations teams: Bauers Raiders and the Depleted UraniumAssessment team. The preparations for war take many forms. Infantry soldiers learnand practice their combat skills, truck drivers practice maneuvering theirrigs to make sure they can deliver supplies, and medical personnel prepareto treat the expected combat casualties. Ideally, preparations are drivenby intelligence reports. However as the recent bombing of the U.S.S. Coleshows commanders may ignore intelligence information and not protecteither their personnel or equipment. Prior to the start of OperationDesert Storm military intelligence reports and threats issued by PresidentSaddam Hussein suggested that nuclear, biological, and chemical warfareand environmental hazards (NBC-E) would be employed to win battles. As we prepared for the battle in the Deserts of Saudi Arabia,Kuwait, and Iraq, medical and combat unit commanders realized that medicalpersonnel must be able to provide emergency medical care to conserve thefighting strength in an NBC-E environment. This required an assessment ofmedical capabilities. Four deficiencies were identified.First, an assessment of existing emergency medical response capabilitiesin the staging areas located within Saudi Arabia revealed the need torespond to medical emergencies resulting from combat to disease andnon-battle injuries (DNBI). Second, an assessment of medical personnelarriving in Southwest Asia verified that most of them did not have theknowledge, skills, and attitudes needed to provide medical care for theexpected nuclear, biological, chemical, and environmental (NBC-E)casualties much less the conventional weapons casualties. Third, the weverified that that most operations personnel needed a NBC-E defenserefresher course that was specifically designed for verified threats.Fourth, we needed to design and construct decontamination facilities,prepare standard decontamination procedures, and train personnel toprovide immediate personnel and equipment decontamination.Consequently, Bauer's Raiders, the 3d U.S. Army Medical Command theaterNBC-E special operations planning and teaching team was formed. Each teammember had prior combat experience and was a qualified medical and NBC-Einstructor. This team also designed and supervised the construction ofthe NBC decontamination facilities and provided operations assistancethroughout the echelons above corps, corps, and coalition forces.Since 1991 numerous Department of Defense reports have stated thatmedical and tactical commanders were unaware of the probable NBC-Eexposures and never told about the medical and environmental consequencesof these exposures. THAT IS A LIE! They were told! They were warned!Immediate and long-term medical care was recommended. The threats, healthand environmental consequences, and medical care recommendations wereprovided in written messages and during courses such as the 3rd U.S. ArmyMedical Command ARCENT Medical Management of Chemical and BiologicalCasualties, the NBC-E defense refresher course, the Combat lifesavercourse, and the Decontamination procedures course which we taught to over1200 military personnel in the theater between December 1990 and February1991. I gave the classified threat briefing specifically identifying theanticipated NBC-E exposures, taught the NBC-E defense refresher course,the combat lifesaver course, and decontamination procedures course. ThusI can confirm that commanders knew what to expect and how to beprepared!!!Another important fact is that although Department of Defense officialshave stated over and over that the vital chemical and biological logs weremisplaced or lost, U.S. Government Accounting Office representatives andthe Pulitzer prize winning author Seymour Hersch have verified that theselogs were ordered destroyed in Florida during December 1996 whileCongressional committees were conducting hearings on potential exposures.As the DU assessment team
[CTRL] Baker Says Gore Camp Refusing to Accept Finality
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Baker Says Gore Camp Refusing to Accept Finality TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (Reuters) - Republican George W. Bush (news - web sites)'s campaign insisted on Wednesday that it was Democrat Al Gore (news - web sites)'s camp, not Bush, that has delayed the election process in Florida. ``The Gore campaign has been unwilling to make any commitment to accept finality in this election unless it achieves the results that it is seeking,'' the top Bush envoy to Florida, former Secretary of State James Baker, told reporters. Democrats are arguing Bush is delaying by trying to stop manual hand counting of votes in heavily Democratic counties. Baker said the Gore camp has been instrumental in filing a dozen lawsuits over the recounting process, compared to only one by the Bush side. ``We're not the cause of the delay. That should be clear to everybody,'' said Baker. He said it was ``patently false'' of Democrats to suggest that the Bush side was hoping to delay the hand counting until Saturday to enable Florida's final tally to reflect the current Bush lead and give him the election. *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Buchanan threatens injunction in recount
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! - ELECTION 2000, Day 9 Buchanan threatens injunction in recount Says Palm Beach officials failed to notify him of county's action -- -- By Jon E. Dougherty © 2000 WorldNetDaily.com An attorney for Reform Party presidential candidate Patrick J. Buchanan has warned Theresa LePore, Palm Beach County elections board supervisor, to halt any further manual recounts of the 425,000 ballots cast on Election Day because she failed to notify the Buchanan campaign of the county's action. According to a letter sent to LePore by Thomas Buchanan, the Reform candidate's brother -- of the Winston Strawn law office in Washington, D.C. -- LePore has not notified the Buchanan campaign officially that a manual recount of some of his votes is taking place. Florida state law, under § 102.166(4)(c), says that when a county canvassing board authorizes a manual recount, "the county canvassing board shall make a reasonable effort to notify each candidate whose race is being recounted at the time and place of such recount." "It is clear that this statutory provision requires you, or your representatives, to notify Mr. Buchanan of the manual recount taking place in your county," the letter to LePore stated. Tom Buchanan, in his letter, said the statute was "obviously designed to provide Mr. Buchanan and the other presidential candidates timely notice of the recount, so that they can effectively participate in the process." However, the letter said, "neither the canvassing board of Palm Beach ... nor your office, nor any other agency or department of the state, has made any effort to notify Mr. Buchanan, formally or informally, of this recount. "Considering that Mr. Buchanan's campaign address is on file in Palm Beach County and is easily accessible," the letter continued, "there is no excuse for not notifying him of the decision to initiate a manual recount." Also, Tom Buchanan wrote, "subsection 7(a) of Fla. State. Ann. § 102.166 provides that the county canvassing board must include, when possible, members of at least two political parties in the manual recount process." Though Republican and Democratic representatives are in Palm Beach to oversee the recounts, Buchanan, in his letter, said his Reform Party brother's ballots "are at issue." "By not notifying him of the manual recount he was precluded from even attempting to have a representative from his party present during the recount. ..." The letter, he said, was sent to request "a cessation of the recount in your county until [Patrick Buchanan] receives proper notification and the opportunity to be heard as to why a representative from the Reform Party should not be present during the manual recount." The letter said if LePore refused to stop recounting ballots "and allow Mr. Buchanan or a member from the Reform Party to participate in the process, we will have no choice but to seek injunctive or other relief to stop the process in its tracks." The Buchanan campaign requested "a prompt response," or threatened to seek remedy in a court of law. Tom Buchanan told WorldNetDaily that the Palm Beach letter had also been sent to Volusia and Broward counties, and that he was considering sending one to Dade County as well. "The state statute requires us to be notified" when manual recounts occur, Buchanan said. "They never notified us or allowed us to participate in any decision as to which parties should be present" during the recounts. As of last night, Buchanan said he had not received any response in writing from any of the counties. Some analysts said the Buchanan letter may have been responsible for the abrupt announcement by Palm Beach county election officials early yesterday to stop the manual recount that had already gotten underway. WorldNetDaily could not confirm that analysis with Palm Beach officials or with officials with the Buchanan campaign before press time. Other officials connected with the Buchanan action suggested that it was likely county election officials also failed to contact Libertarian Harry Brown and Green Party nominee Ralph Nader, but they could not confirm that. *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot
[CTRL] Navy flying home lost absentee ballots
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Navy flying home lost absentee ballots Marine captain: 'Majority of the pilots aboard are registered voters in Florida' -- -- © 2000 WorldNetDaily.com At least one major instance of missing overseas military ballots -- involving the votes of some 3,000 sailors and Marines -- appears to be on its way to resolution. WorldNetDaily reported yesterday that a source on the USS Tarawa, a U.S. Navy assault ship near Yemen, said that "thousands" of absentee ballots were languishing onboard. The Navy has now confirmed bundles of overseas ballots left behind -- not on one, but three ships in the Persian Gulf region. According to a New York Post account, Cmdr. Greg Smith, a Navy spokesman, said the ballots of some 3,000 sailors and Marines on the USS Tarawa, USS Duluth and USS Anchorage would be flown back to the United States "expeditiously." Before the discovery of missing Navy ballots, Defense Department spokesman Kenneth Bacon and Navy Lt. Dave Gai had both criticized WorldNetDaily -- Bacon publicly at a press briefing -- for its reporting on this issue. Bacon referred to WND's initial story as "ludicrous" for reporting that some servicemen and women suspect the Clinton administration may have somehow purposely delayed sending absentee ballots to military personnel overseas because most historically vote Republican. Gai, the Pentagon spokesman quoted in two of WND's stories, had previously said he was "not aware of any large-scale problems." Nevertheless, the newssite's reports caught the attention of Rep. Joe Scarborough, R-Fla., who is now calling for a congressional investigation into the issue. In yesterday's WND report, Oregonian Judy Krutsinger, whose brother-in-law is stationed onboard the Tarawa, said that although the Pentagon had reportedly contacted Florida election officials to inform them that mail from all area warships had been picked up Nov. 7, her relative aboard the Tarawa denied that. "We e-mailed [him] aboard ship about that. ... [H]e e-mailed back saying [the mailbags] are still onboard," Krutsinger told WorldNetDaily. She said the mail was contained in orange bags on 17 pallets and that "ballots were not separated from regular mail, as they should have been." A United Press International account reported comments from a Marine Corps captain from the Tarawa who helped evacuate the dead and injured from the USS Cole after it was attacked by terrorists on Oct. 12. Capt. Van P. Brinson, who did not receive his absentee ballot, wrote in a Nov. 8 e-mail: "I cannot speak for the remainder of the crew of the Tarawa, but I do know that the majority of the Marines and sailors that I have spoken with are in the same boat. What is distressing about the situation," he added, "is that a majority of the pilots aboard are registered voters in Florida." Florida law requires that overseas ballots be postmarked by Election Day, and Friday midnight is the deadline for the state's 67 counties to receive them. Now that the large cache of ballots has been found, "all we're trying to do is see if there's a way to get the mail there," Smith said in the Post story. Smith explained that the reason the shipboard mail was forgotten was because the three West Coast-based ships were preoccupied assisting the stricken Cole after it was bombed last month. Once someone realized that the mail contained time-sensitive ballots -- whose importance is now increased dramatically because of the historically close race -- the Navy agreed to fly the ballots to the U.S. post haste. Meanwhile, stateside, the U.S. Postal Service says it is fast-tracking military overseas ballots destined for Florida -- promising to get them to the 67 county election departments the same day they arrive in the U.S., the Post reported. The ballots are being processed by postal employees at the Air Mail Center near Miami International Airport, according to an Associated Press report, where all overseas military mail sent to the United States arrives. Ballots destined for South Florida counties are being driven to the appropriate post offices for same-day delivery, while those earmarked for north and central Florida counties are flown to regional mail centers, then forwarded to the local post office for delivery to election officials. According to the AP story, as of Monday the postal service had delivered 446 military overseas ballots to Florida since Nov. 8. An unofficial Associated Press survey of 64 of Florida's 67 election supervisors showed that more than 19,300 overseas ballots had been mailed from the state. While over 10,000 had been returned -- and most of those already counted -- officials could not say how many ballots were still outstanding. Many service personnel and their families have complained to WorldNetDaily that their ballots were sent to them
[CTRL] Those missing military ballots
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! -- Those missing military ballots -- -- © 2000 WorldNetDaily.com Now it's up to the military. In most countries, facing a constitutional crisis over a hung election would be a scary prospect. But in America, military service people have traditionally exhibited sounder voting judgment than the civilian population. Thus, as America waits for the absentee ballots -- many from members of the armed services stationed overseas -- to be counted this week in the closest presidential election in history, a heavy turnout opposing Vice President Al Gore is expected. But will that be the case? WorldNetDaily's Jon Dougherty has been reporting that many overseas service personnel have been denied their right to participate in the selection of a new commander-in-chief. Many continue to say they have been "cheated" out of their vote -- due to their absentee ballots either arriving late or never arriving at all. Some military families speculate about the possibility of an agenda behind the strange backlog. Many wonder out loud if a Democrat administration purposely delayed or denied thousands of servicemen and women their right to vote, assuming, based on past elections, that most overseas military votes would end up in the Republican column. Some U.S. military families in Germany are reportedly flying the American flag upside down -- a traditional sign of distress -- at their places of residence, as a result of the presidential election and the subsequent balloting difficulties. And it gets worse. There are reports of thousands of ballots still sitting in mailbags aboard at least one U.S. navy ship, the USS Tarawa near Yemen. They were reportedly never picked up, despite the fact that mail is being delivered to the same warship. Keep in mind, WorldNetDaily broke this story before the election -- before anyone had any idea just how close this election would be and how much it would depend on absentee ballots. And though few official meaningful explanations have been forthcoming from the Pentagon, there is no question that WorldNetDaily's stories have attracted the attention of the highest officials in the land. First Kenneth Bacon, official spokesman for the Defense Department and Monica Lewinsky's boss, did his best to disparage WorldNetDaily's reporting in a press conference last week. Bacon referred to WorldNetDaily's first report as "ludicrous." Bacon attempted to shift blame away from the Pentagon and instead put the onus on servicemen themselves, though he acknowledged that the service branches -- at one point -- do handle mail for service members. One reporter, in an attempt to find out what information Bacon was using to refute WorldNetDaily's story, asked, "How would you know whether people are having problems [getting their ballots] or not? How do you know that?" Bacon: "Well, apparently somebody talked to this Internet service. But I assume they could go to an official on the ship or at the base and say, 'I haven't got my ballot.'" Q: "But how would you know back here? In other words, on what basis are you answering our questions today?" Bacon: "Well, I'm answering your questions completely on the basis of procedure; what the procedures are -- " Q: "Right, so you don't know. There could be -- " Bacon: "and I think -- I think -- let me just point out; the most important thing for everybody to realize is that the Pentagon encourages people to vote, but it -- and it tells them how to vote; that is, it tells them the procedures to follow, and the procedures generally involve requesting an absentee ballot from a local authority well enough ahead of time so that the person can get the ballot returned by election day. That's the primary role we play." The Pentagon has also said that about 130,000 service personnel in 1996 -- because of a failure of ballot delivery or request by the member -- did not get absentee ballots and could not vote. The Pentagon has since done its best to quiet whistleblowers in its ranks. Navy Lt. Dave Gai, the Pentagon spokesman who initially spoke to WorldNetDaily about the story, admitted hearing reports "about this [absentee ballot non-deliveries] within the past week," but said that the Defense Department was "trying to get more information." The day after the story broke, however, an agitated Gai contacted WND to complain, saying the report was "biased" and incorrect -- though he failed to cite any factual error, other than that he had been incorrectly referred to as an Army spokesman instead of a Defense Department spokesman. Would anyone put it past the Clinton administration to manipulate an election this way after eight years of political dirty tricks and abuse of federal agencies? I wouldn't. And at least one member of Congress has called for an
[CTRL] RadTimes # 106
-Caveat Lector- RadTimes # 106 November, 2000 An informally produced compendium of vital irregularities. "We're living in rad times!" --- QUOTE: Multiple political parties are a fact of life throughout Europe and most of the West. Today the only countries without strong multiparty political systems are the United States and a number of third world military dictatorships. --Thomas H. Naylor --- Contents: --- --President? We don't need no stinking President! --Post-Election Decisions --Nation Plunges Into Chaos [satire] --Bush Team Prepares 'Scorched-Earth Plan' --Suit challenges Cheney's status --How Democrats steal elections --Greening From Ear To Ear Linked stories: *U.S. Government Allow Unabated Union Busting *Adventures Through Inner Space *Libertarians Demand Neutral Observers in Recount *Getting ugly *U.S. Spy Office Dying, Group Says *Butterfly ballots no problem for first-graders in mock vote *Navy flying home 3,000 lost ballots *The government gang battles over the goods *The Florida lawsuits *U.S. Media: Egg On Their Faces? --- Begin stories: --- President? We don't need no stinking President! by Fran Shor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey, why all the hand-wringing and tumult? So, we won't have a new President named Gore or Bush. Big deal! Since almost half of the eligible voters didn't vote and the other half mostly split their vote between Gore and Bush, you can figure that 3/4ths of the American people would be unhappy with either. So, why not declare neither a winner and forget about having a President? I mean what does the President really do besides being a front man for corporate interests. Why not just get GM, Exxon, General Electric, Ford, etc., etc. to select the Central Committee and let them square off with the Congress they mostly own? Yeah, I know, we need someone to occupy the White House, help with state dinners and go abroad now and then. Well, the corporate sponsors could rotate this job and roll out their corporate logos accordingly. Wouldn't the White House look good with a big Nike Swoosh on its pillars? Hell, the Swoosh is already everywhere else. Why not the White House? So, you think this is just a cynical response to the present crisis? But what could be more cynical than the political establishment and the corporate media counseling an end to the election battle by denying the popular vote? Even more cynical is trying to cover-up the endemic undemocratic nature of the whole political system. Most people know the system is a racket that favors those with the bucks and those who curry favor with all the corporate lobbyists. Seven out of eight candidates who outspent their opponents were elected this time. Talk about buying elections. But, you say, look at how long this democracy has managed to survive. Isn't there something to be said for the grand traditions of the American political system? Which traditions are those? The ones born out of slaveholding politics that denied freedom and liberty to millions, or those elitists fearful of the democratic rabble? But look at the wonders of the Constitution with its elaborate system of checks and balances. Anyone taking a good look at the history of the Constitution knows that it was originally (minus the Bill of Rights) a reactionary document intended to stop the more radical forces of the American revolution, such as those Quaker artisans in Pennsylvania whose agitation against an executive branch, for rotation in office, and imposing a limit on how much money individuals could make almost became the rules of the game in that state. So, if we need a tradition to call upon in this moment of crisis, let's not haul out the worst elements of our past. Rather, let's pay homage to those radical working class Quakers who fought power, privilege, and slavery. Let's look even further back to the Iroquois Nation and its federation principle. Did they need a President? Hell, no! So, my fellow Americans, let's just pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and start all over again. I've even got a good slogan for the anti-Presidential campaign: "Don't Tread on Me!" --- Post-Election Decisions Institute for Public Accuracy 915 National Press Building, Washington, D.C. 20045 (202) 347-0020 * http://www.accuracy.org * [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[CTRL] Text of Judge's Ruling on Deadline For Florida Counties to Report Results
-Caveat Lector- November 14, 2000 Wall Street Journal Election 2000 Text of Judge's Ruling on Deadline For Florida Counties to Report Results Following is the text of Tuesday's ruling by Leon County Circuit Judge Terry P. Lewis on the request by Florida's Volusia and Palm Beach counties to extend the 5 p.m. EST Tuesday deadline for reporting their count results. The text is provided by the Associated Press. This declaratory judgment action is before me on the Motion of the Canvassing Board for Volusia County for a temporary injunction against the Secretary of State and the Elections Canvassing Commission. By motion and agreement of the parties, the Florida Democratic Party, Candidate Al Gore, and the Canvassing Board of Palm Beach County have intervened as Party Plaintiffs, and Candidate George W. Bush and Elector Matt Butler have intervened as Party Defendants. The heart of the issue raised by the motion is this: Section 102.166, Florida Statutes, contemplates that upon request a county Canvassing Board may authorize a manual recount of votes cast in election. Both Volusia and Palm Beach Counties have so authorized, and are in the process of conducting, a manual recount. The Boards are concerned that the manual recounts may not be completed by 5:00 p.m. today, November 14, 2000, which is the deadline imposed upon them by Section 102.112, Florida Statutes, to certify and report the election returns to the Secretary of State. This section provides that if the returns are not received by the deadline, such returns may be ignored by the Secretary in her certification of results statewide. The Plaintiffs insist that the Secretary of State must consider the certified results from Volusia and Palm Beach Counties, even if they are filed late, if they are still engaged in the manual recount of the votes. The Secretary of State insists that, absent an Act of God such as hurricane, any returns not received by the statutory deadline will not be counted in the statewide tabulations and certification of the election results. For the reasons set forth below, I find that the county Canvassing Boards must certify and file what election returns they have by the statutory deadline of 5 p.m. of November 14th 2000 with due notification to the secretary of state of any pending manual recounts. And thereafter file supplemental or corrective returns. The secretary of state may ignore such late-filed returns but may not do so arbitrarily, rather only by the proper exercise of discretion after consideration of all appropriate facts and circumstances. The Secretary of State takes the position that the law requires the County Canvassing Boards to certify and report the results of elections in their counties no later than 5:00 p.m. November 14, 2000, that there are no exceptions to this mandate, and that the Secretary is likewise required by law to ignore any untimely received returns unless the untimeliness is caused by a hurricane or other Act of God. I give great deference to the interpretation by the Secretary of the election laws, and I agree that the Canvassing Boards must file their returns by 5:00 p.m. today. I disagree, however that the Secretary is required to ignore any late filed returns absent an Act of God. There are several reasons for my conclusion. A reading of the entire election code suggests that legislative intent to balance the desire for accuracy with a desire for finality. By concentrating on the deadline imposed by section 102.112, Florida Statutes, the secretary has come down hard on the side of finality. This interpretation ignores, however, section 102.166, Florida Statutes, which gives to the County Canvassing Board the authority to authorize a manual recount. A request for such recount may be made within three days of the election. If a manual recount of at least three precincts and at least 1% of the total vote indicates an error in vote tabulation which could effect the outcome of the election, the Canvassing Board shall either correct the error and recount the remaining precincts with the vote tabulation system, request the department of state to verify the tabulation software, or manually recount all ballots. Depending on when a request is made and then acted upon, it is easy to imagine a situation where a manual recount could be lawfully authorized, commenced, but not completed within seven days of the election. The Secretary of State responds that the authority to authorize a manual recount is subject to the requirement that such recounts be done and the results certified no later than the deadline imposed by section 102.112, Florida Statutes. This would mean, however, that only in sparsely populated counties could a Canvassing Board safely exercise what the legislature has clearly intended to be an option where the Board has a real question as to the accuracy of a vote. Section 102.166, Florida Statutes gives any candidate, or a qualified elector, the right to
[CTRL] MJS: MU students voted more than once
-Caveat Lector- MU students voted more than once, survey finds Freshman says he did it to draw attention to 'screwed up' system By LINDA SPICE and JESSE GARZA Milwaukee Journal Sentinel staff Last Updated: Nov. 14, 2000 A Marquette University freshman who said he was one of 174 students who told a campus newspaper they cast multiple presidential ballots said he doesn't fear prosecution if it highlights the holes he found in the political system. Election 2000 "I wanted to make the point that the system is screwed up here," said the student, 18, who asked not to be named. "I hope people can recognize the system is flawed, and if a poor college kid with no resources can manipulate the system, a person with an agenda and who wants to get things done - think how easily they can manipulate the system." The Marquette Tribune, the university's student newspaper, surveyed 1,000 students and found 174 admitted voting more than once, said Michael McGraw, the Tribune's metro news desk editor. The paper conducted the survey in person and by telephone after state Republicans on Friday alleged instances of voting irregularities, including claims that some students at Marquette and the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee voted multiple times. Milwaukee County District Attorney E. Michael McCann said Monday that his office is investigating reports that students at both universities voted more than once in last Tuesday's election. McCann said his office's "most serious focus" in its post-election investigation thus far is on allegations of multiple voting by students and the accusation that a Democratic Party volunteer gave homeless people cigarettes in exchange for their votes. Crime is a felony "Our focus is on those areas first, because those allegations concern crimes," McCann said. "It is a felony to vote a second time." McCann said an investigation by his office so far indicates that some Marquette and UWM students voted at "chaotic" polling places. As word of the multiple voting spread across Marquette's campus Monday, some students acknowledged the disorganization they found at the polls but disagreed with their peers' actions to take advantage of the chaos. "I don't feel like my vote counted, because someone voted for their candidate two times," said junior Meghan Kurtz, 21. "I don't think it's fair. Students here are intelligent enough to know one vote, one person." Kevin Kennedy, executive director of the state Elections Board, said under Wisconsin law, deliberately voting twice is punishable by a maximum of 4 1/2 years in prison and a $10,000 fine. The Marquette student interviewed Monday, who is from northern Wisconsin, said he is concerned that authorities might try to make an example of him but noted overall, "I'm not that concerned about it. . . . If I do get prosecuted for a felony, it's just going to show more people how easy it was." He said he cast his ballot at Grand Avenue Middle School four times. Each time, he wrote in his own name as his candidate of choice because none of the candidates on the ballot "represented my ideas." It was shortly after his first vote that he thought about casting another. He said he was asked to write on the registration card his name and address and to provide a signature. He raised his hand to swear he was the person on the card but said he was not asked for identification or proof of residency. "I got my ballot and voted," he said. "I put the ballot in. The same thing happened multiple times. There was zero to prevent that from happening. "I realized the system could be so easily manipulated," he said. "I noticed there were very evident holes and room for corruption." Thirteen vote 4 times Of the 174 Marquette students who said they voted more than once, 95 said they voted both by absentee ballots from their home state and also in Wisconsin. Forty-one said they voted twice in Wisconsin, 25 said they voted three times in Wisconsin and 13 said they voted four or more times in Wisconsin. McGraw, the student editor, said the multiple voting occurred at three polling places: the university's Alumni Memorial Union, the Highland Park Housing Complex and Grand Avenue Middle School. McGraw stressed that all three sites were operated by the City of Milwaukee Election Commission. "They said they saw the system was being run poorly, wanted to show how easily it could be abused and how it needed to be reformed," McGraw said. About 50 survey respondents said they witnessed some form of voting irregularity, McGraw said. Both the university's College Republicans and College Democrats denied any involvement in the multiple votes, McGraw said. A statement from the university released Monday said: "These allegations, if true, are frankly appalling. . . . Marquette University will, of course, cooperate in any way we can with the district attorney's office and other authorities investigating these allegations. "And we will reserve the option of
[CTRL] Help needed for Streisand, Sheen, Saradon, Goldberg, Baldwin
-Caveat Lector- It Costs So Little, And It Means So Much As you are probably aware, if the voting results in Florida stand as they are now, George W. Bush will be our next President. This will have catastrophic results in our vital, no, indispensable entertainment industry. Barbra Streisand, Martin Sheen, Susan Sarandon, Whoopie Goldberg, Alec Baldwin, Martin Sheen, among many others have sworn to leave the country if George W. Bush is elected President. And this is where YOU can help. We need volunteers to help pack and to load moving vans. We also need volunteers to provide airfare for these irreplaceable national treasures so they can relocate before they can change their minds. For the cost of a small SUV you can sponsor one of these celebrities and their unfortunate relocation. You will know that your efforts are helping when you receive postcards, letters and pictures from your chosen "refugee"as they learn to become a useful citizen in the third world country of their choosing. You will help, won't you. It costs so little, but it means so much. Call 1-800-deport-a-lib. Operators are standing by. Major Credit cards are accepted. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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Johannes,
You probably did not mean to put down women. But you did, by implying
that they would vote for Bush's nephew because of his sex escapades.
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On 16 Nov 00, at 1:57, Johannes Schmidt III wrote:
Good for him. These are the sort of red-blooded genes we need running the
world. And he's sure to get the female vote (just who do you think votes
overwhelmingly for Clinton? It's mainly women).
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[CTRL] Proof Of Serious Ballot Trouble In Palm Beach
-Caveat Lector- Proof Of Serious Ballot Trouble In Palm Beach From Cliff Ribaudo 11-15-00 Dear Jeff, This is from a friend of mine who knows the author of the email below. He is the son of one of the Precinct Clerks in Palm Beach on election day. Amazing and for once, FINALLY we have first hand proof of all the BS. He has given his permission (at the end of the email) to send this everywhere, and so, I send it to you. Truth Is Justice Cliff Ribaudo -Original Message- From Ben Austin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: My mother, Palm Beach County Precinct Clerk Dear friends, I don't normally send long emails like this to a large block of people, certainly when it comes to my family, and certainly when the import of the issue makes it seem like the letter might travel far and wide. But so many people have asked about this story that it seems important to send it out. This is the true story of my mother, precinct clerk in Palm Beach county, Florida. My mother was a precinct clerk in Palm Beach county, Florida, election day of 2000. Mom's very good friend Leah was a precinct clerk as well. Both of them were incredibly upset during and after election day, before anyone knew the import of these specific voters. And my mother was convinced there were serious irregularities long before they gained national prominence, and she called me to say so. I note this because some Republicans are now asking "if there were these irregularities, how come they were not raised until after the election?" In fact, my mother and the other precinct clerks raised these issues from the moment that the polls opened in the morning - the problem is that the person they intially called on was Theresa LePore, elections supervisor of Palm Beach county. She was the source of the ballot confusion, and was uninterested in the issue. First, the paper ballot was extremely confusing to these voters. Although both major parties got a chance to review the card layout, it is not clear if any had a chance to put the actual ballot in an actual machine and punch the holes. The card is laid horizontally as you vote, and it is hard to see the holes as you punch them. And my mother, who supervised the precinct she was in (this is a paid position, and she reported directly to Ms. LePore) said the card did not even fit correctly in the ballot machine, so the holes in the card did not line up with the ballot. Anyone who thinks this was minor voter confusion has never dealt with retirees in a West Palm Beach retirement village in Florida, I promise you. My mother, following the rules, said the poll workers had been told not to help people with the cards, as it might bias the voters. My mother witnessed many, many people who voted incorrectly. Some stayed on a second line and had their cards re-done, some punched the second hole (and thus were probably thrown out), and some found out they voted for Buchanan after they had deposited their cards in
[CTRL] Winning fair or winning ugly?
-Caveat Lector- Winning fair or winning ugly? Bush shouldnt fear hand-count of Floridas disputed votes By Eric Alterman MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR Nov. 15 Al Gore has made George W. Bush an offer the Texan should grab with both hands: a peace meeting between the two candidates and a hand count of the entire Florida vote. Given his now continuous court filings to prevent full ballot counts, coupled with the partisan behavior of Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris, Bush is looking more and more like a man afraid of an honest vote count. Should his minuscule advantage hold owing to the forced exclusion of any number of recount totals, Bushs best hope would be a presidency tarnished beyond repair before he even takes the oath of office. For beginning last weekend, Bush campaign has appeared ready to sacrifice every pretense of principle to try to make off with the main prize. George Bush should take Al Gore up on his offer. Hell look like a wimp if he doesnt. TALK ABOUT getting snippy and winning ugly: First the Bush team attacks Gore and Democrats for considering a move to court on behalf of misled Palm Beach voters, the next day it jumps into court itself to try to prevent an honest hand-count of the votes already cast. One day Bush campaigns as the champion of state rights and local control over the power of dangerously power-hungry federal government, the next day it is seeking to have a federal court overturn the state of Floridas constitutional right to monitor its elections as it sees fit. One day Bush, Baker and company are demanding a non-partisan solution to the election crisis. The next day, Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris, a Bush delegate to the GOP convention, fundraiser and campaign co-chair (and close political ally of the candidates brother, Governor Jeb), is seeking to discount locally ordered manual recounts in order to sneak the new president into office while the numbers are still being tallied. The court tells her this is unnecessary, so she fiddles with the deadline a bit, before deciding the entire matter should go before the state Supreme Court. NOBODY KNOWS Bushs strategy is dependent on sowing confusion in the minds of ordinary Americans. In this regard, it is almost certain to be a success, as the election count in Florida has become impossible to understand. No one and I mean no one fully understands just how the election of our next president is being decided. Is Broward County going to recount manually or not? Is Katherine Harris going to accept the new vote count if they do? Who won Tuesdays court decision on this point? Whats going on in Dade county? Who stands to benefit from a recount in Palm Beach? How do you count a ballot with two punches? How do you count a ballot that has a mistaken half-punch and another full-punch. What about the butterfly ballot and the will of the people clause in Florida election law? Arent they in conflict, and if so, what is to be done? Which are really more accurate, machine counts or hand-counts? Didnt actual hands design the machines? Which court gets to decide these questions? Nobody knows. MEDIA INTERFERENCE In every poll so far, the American people have clearly stated a preference for a fair and clear result, rather than a speedy questionable one. A second ally of the Bush efforts to make off with an election they appear to have lost has been a clear bias on the part of the media. The network pooh- bahs mistakenly called the election for Bush early Wednesday morning and ever since, they have been trying to vindicate themselves. The fact that the first of these calls came from Ws cousin, John Ellis, whom the Fox network apparently hired in order to help them slant their coverage even more favorably toward Bush hardly seems to embarrass them. (I am loyal to my cousin, he has written. I put that loyalty ahead of my loyalty to anyone else outside my immediate family.) The Wall Street Journal has gone predictably ballistic warning of a Gore coup detat and a Democratic legal hurricane ravaging across Florida. But how to explain the oddly anti- democratic bias of such nominally good citizens of the New York Times and the Washington Post? Why have both sides ruled out any legal remedies for the discounted voters of Palm Beach County, whose true intentions and legal rights could clearly put Gore in the winners circle? Why, in the words of the Washington Post editorial page, was it a poisonous thing to say in these extraordinary and unsettling circumstances for William Daley to suggest that Al Gore was the rightful winner of Florida and the election, when the Bush team has been claiming the same thing from minute one? And what of the weird coverage in the news stories too? Why did the Post headline a front-page story on Sunday, Both Sides Increase Legal Wrangling As Florida Begins Slow Hand Recount, when in fact, only the Bush side had gone to court at that point? (The point was crucial
Re: [CTRL] priest accused of molestation
-Caveat Lector- Dear List, Below please find a url for an article from the San Francisco chronicle. Sincerely, Neil Brick PS This may be triggering for survivors of abuse. from : http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2000/11/14/M NW35005.DTL "High-Ranking S.F. Priest Accused of Molesting Boy Police found cleric, youth disheveled in parked car Jaxon Van Derbeken, Chronicle Staff WriterTuesday, November 14, 2000 San Francisco -- A high-ranking official of the San Francisco Roman Catholic Archdiocese has been arrested for allegedly sexual molesting a 17-year-old boy in a parked car, authorities said yesterday." A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Israeli War Crimes- NOT!
-Caveat Lector- Stopforth Jamie wrote: Jamie, Can you tell me why the large difference in the body count? Are Palestinians such shitty shots? Any fool can get a good body count with an Uzi or an AK on full auto, what's the problem? Is it that we aren't getting the facts? I don't know why the Israelis just don't herd the Palestinians onto trains for "relocation", hell they already have them in ghettoes. -- ´´ Mark McHugh Israel--Hitler's revenge on the world -Anon So by default the people with the less body count are the "Bad Guys?" Hmm Let me see, I have a grenade launcher, an enemy soldier fires at me, I launch back killing him and his surrounding soldiers? Just one of the many scenarios that can play out in the dynamics of battle It seems that you're under the black/white, Good Guys/Bad Guys dualistic illusion. This is a much more complex reality. If these pages, whose URLs you mention, are the truth, that all these armed Arabs actually have ammo, wouldn't there be photos of Israelis swinging from lampposts and masses of dead strewn through the streets? They're armed and pissed. Those LAWs featured on both pages (same photo) would make one hell of a mess. Where's the carnage? Why the large difference in the body counts? The Rotter page you mentioned shows a bunch of pissed off Arabs. I'd be angry too if I lived under the conditions they do. The One Soul page mentions Israel granting the PA rule over Palestinian reservations. Isn't the PA a puppet of the Israelis? Don't the Palestinian people hate the PA? Maybe all that I've read is wrong. Maybe the Firesign Theatre is right. I want to know who has the superior force and tactics. Propaganda from both sides shows mere skirmishes. Assuming easily that the Israelis have the advantage, the ultimate high ground of the sky, why haven't they pressed the attack? Do they plan a war of attrition? But as for body count numbers... Can I get a recount? My point being, just how accurate are those numbers? Do you know for sure? Are issues like that still open to question even after they've been reported by the major media outlets? I would hope so. Do you mean to say the Israelis have no media outlets to the outside world? You give URLs for two pages that show no numbers. Do you have any sources for the Truth other than propaganda photo spreads? As for the catchy quote... People are free to say anything they feel is true... I don't even know the Anon guy, maybe he was famous, maybe not, but if he was, does it make his statement anymore correct? Jamie Famous does not make it correct. I'd be happy with a book of good quotes from normal people. People are free to say anything, true or not, whether they believe it or not. My quote and mention of trains and relocation are examples of black humor--Socratic, ironic and sardonic. My foul mood inspired their inclusion. I'm in a foul mood because, by nature I seek balance, yet I continually see one-sided opinions. "Israeli War Crimes" "Israeli War Crimes- NOT!" Can't people be honest with themselves and admit that acts on both sides are criminal or do we subscribe to the idea that the ends justify the means? Do I take sides? Yes. I back the people who are sick of the constant warfare. I believe the peace-loving people on any side of any conflict are being screwed by greedhead leaders whose best control method against them is division. What can we do about it? Education is the only thing I can come up with that may do some good. "Reality--The perception of truth based on observation" -Jamie Look, I have a cool quote now... Not so sure about that, Jamie. Reality exists independent of observation--a very strange, uncertain reality, albeit. Perception is flawed, considering the minuscule portion of the electromagnetic spectrum we are able to perceive, thus the merit of observation is questionable. Define "truth". Nevermind. I'm being a tired shit. -- ´´ Mark McHugh More cool quotes: It is not a sign of good health to be well adjusted to a sick society. -- J. Krishnamurti Like it or not, a riot is the voice of the unheard. --Maxine Waters A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as
[CTRL] Fwd: Eduardo Agnelli Dead
Suicide suspected after Fiat heir found dead Philip Willan in Rome Thursday November 16, 2000 The Guardian The heir to Italy's most powerful industrial dynasty, was found dead yesterday. The body of Edoardo Agnelli, 46, was lying at the base of a 200ft viaduct in northern Italy after what police said was an apparent suicide. It was the second time in three years that tragedy had struck the family that controls the Fiat manufacturing group: Edoardo's cousin, who was being groomed to lead the business, Giovanni Alberto Agnelli, died in late 1997 of a rare form of stomach cancer at the age of 32. Police saw Edoardo Agnelli's dark Fiat Croma parked at the side of motorway between Turin and Savona, near the village of Fossano. His body was lying at the foot of one of the viaduct's pillars among plastic bags, bottles and other refuse. His father, Gianni Agnelli, 79 - long the charismatic figure at Fiat's helm, and now its elder statesman as honorary chairman - visited the site to confirm that this was the body of his only son. At the family villa outside Turin, at Villar Perosa, relatives came and went by helicopter through the day, preparing for the funeral that will follow a post-mortem examination. Edoardo Agnelli, had shown little aptitude for the business world in which his family has played a leading role for more than a century. Rather, he went looking for spiritual illumination in India, having graduated in oriental religion and philosophy. But his exclusion from the family's businesses - the closest he came to a responsible management role was as a director of the Agnelli-owned Juventus football club in the 1980s - caused him considerable unhappiness, as he showed in interviews where he protested at being marginalised when younger relatives got preferment. "It's a tragedy," an unnamed woman friend in Rome was reported as telling the Italian media yesterday. "I was expecting him in the next few days. He certainly didn't seem depressed, but sometimes a moment of anguish can be enough." Edoardo Agnelli hit the headlines in October 1990, when he was arrested in the Kenyan beach resort of Malindi for possession of heroin. "I feel exhausted," he said on leaving court after learning of his acquittal on the drug charges. "It has been a tough battle, which I think I have faced fundamentally on my own." He found it hard to live up to the expectations of his father. Gianni Agnelli, a former playboy who married Princess Marella Caracciolo, had abandoned a life of jet set dissipation to reveal an unexpected gift for business. Unlike his reclusive son he was at ease in the limelight occupied by a family that resembled royalty in republican post-war Italy. Tension over the Fiat succession came to a head in 1986 when Edoardo - known by friends in New York as "Crazy Eddy" - announced his interest in taking charge of Italy's top industrial conglomerate. In a newspaper interview in Assisi he criticised his family for seeing "my personal search as a voluntary abstention from the problems of the group, almost as though I were incapable of assuming responsibilities". But there was no fulfilling role available for the family scion who was more at home in the company of Indian gurus or the denizens of psychedelic era New York than in a Turin boardroom. In 1998 he again vented his frustration at being bypassed in favour of younger relatives."Part of my family has been taken over by a baroque and decadent logic," he said in an interview with the leftwing daily Il Manifesto. "Meaning no offence to anyone, we are approaching the gesture of Caligula, who made his horse a senator." For his 22-year-old cousin, John Elkann, it was an unflattering parallel: the young man had just been selected to fill the shoes of Giovanni Alberto. In recent years Edoardo Agnelli, who never married, lived quietly on an uncle's country estate near Capalbio, Tuscany, pursuing his religious and philosophical interests. Angelo Magrini, the chairman of a blood donors' association in Turin, yesterday paid tribute to his social sensibilities and his generous work for charity. "He was a marvellous person who dedicated his life to others. He was always very attentive to those who suffered and ready to help people in need," Mr Magrini said. As the oldest child of Gianni Agnelli - he has a sister aged 43 - Edoardo should have assumed command of a workforce of 240,000 and a global business empire spanning car making, construction, fashion and media. His spiritual curiosity and rebellion against materialism took him in a quite different direction, to an obscure life and a lonely death that confirmed his role as the black sheep of Italy's first family. Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2000
[CTRL] SLPD: Ex-prosecutor declares innocence in Waco case
-Caveat Lector- Ex-prosecutor declares innocence in Waco case By TIM BRYANT St. Louis Post-Dispatch November 14, 2000 ST. LOUIS - A former federal prosecutor says he'll "let the process run its course" now that he has declared his innocence to charges he obstructed the investigation into the siege at the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas. Former Assistant U.S. Attorney William Johnston entered a not guilty plea Monday in federal court in St. Louis. U.S. Magistrate Judge Mary Ann Medler released Johnston on his promise to show up for scheduled court appearances. Johnston has a trial date of Jan. 2. But his lawyer, Michael Kennedy of New York, said he will probably ask for a later one. A federal indictment accuses Johnston, 41, of hiding his notes about the FBI's use of incendiary tear gas rounds at Waco from the Justice Department and Congress. He also is accused of later lying about the notes to the grand jury and investigators for John C. Danforth, special counsel in the case. Johnston left the U.S. attorney's office in February. He has admitted that he withheld several pages of notes from 1993 dealing with the FBI's use of pyrotechnic gas. He has said he did it for fear that hostile colleagues would use the notes to discredit him. "My actions were foolish, regrettable and wrong, but they were not criminal," he said. Johnston is charged with two counts of obstruction of justice and three counts of lying to investigators and to the grand jury that returned the indictment. Grand jurors returned the indictment the same day Danforth released his final report clearing the government of crimes in the siege of the Davidian compound. Johnston helped draw up the search warrant that agents of the Treasury's Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms tried to serve on Feb. 28, 1993, at the Branch Davidian compound. The incident turned into a gunbattle in which four federal agents and six Davidians were killed. The resulting 51-day standoff ended in a fire that destroyed the compound. Sect leader David Koresh and about 80 followers died. In 1994, Johnston helped convict nine Davidians of crimes. Danforth's final report criticized others who had withheld information and evidence, but other than Johnston, no one is being prosecuted. The criminal case is the final development in a 14-month investigation that cost $17 million. The final report was the last of Danforth's findings. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] LT: Chance remark shakes balance
-Caveat Lector- London Times-THURSDAY NOVEMBER 16 2000 Chance remark shakes balance From DANIEL MCGRORY IN MIAMI A CHANCE remark by a woman with a key role in the choice of President threatened to sabotage George W. Bushs chances yesterday. Obsessed with chasing law suits, the Republican high command forgot to check with the 25 party faithful who comprise their Electoral College delegates to confirm that they will vote for Mr Bush when they meet next month. But then Berta Moralejo, a 52-year-old grandmother, let slip that she is so troubled by all this wrangling that she is dithering over who to back. There is no law obliging her to back Mr Bush, even if he wins the disputed popular vote in Florida, and Mrs Moralejo said in a television interview: Its a free country. Nobody has contacted me yet. Nobody said you have to vote Republican, so Ill go on my own will. This hint of rebellion sent Republicans scurrying around to ensure that no other delegates were about to break ranks. A party official refused to say whether Governor Bush had telephoned Mrs Moralejo but by last night she was, in the partys words, firmly on side. She insisted that she had not been leant on. The Democrats seized on Mrs Moralejos remarks as evidence that some of their opponents are uneasy about the tactics being used to stifle recounts and legal battles. Mrs Moralejo, who moved to Florida from Cuba in 1962, was astounded last night at the constitutional crisis she had provoked. Only seven Electoral College delegates have deserted their party in the past century, and they did not matter because the results were a foregone conclusion.This time it is much closer and the vote of every delegate counts. Mrs Moralejo insists that she will not defect. Yesterday both parties were considering making courtesy calls to their 25 Florida delegates to ensure that there was no more wavering. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] WT: Observers say ballots manipulated by examiner
-Caveat Lector- http://www.washtimes.com/national/default-20001116225829.htm November 16, 2000 Observers say ballots manipulated by examiner By Steve Miller THE WASHINGTON TIMES WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. Five observers to Saturday's hand count in Palm Beach County have filed affidavits in federal court charging that a Democratic county commissioner manipulated ballots so Al Gore would receive more votes than George W. Bush. Carol Roberts, a de facto appointee to the three-member elections canvassing board, is accused in the filings of asking a Democratic observer to the count whether ballots should count and that she "twisted the ballots and poked her finger directly in sections of, and aggressively handled, the ballots." On one occasion, observer John Grotta said in a sworn statement, Miss Roberts looked at a ballot and said " 'Unfortunately, the corners aren't detached,' as she was referring to a ballot that would have been a vote for Vice President Gore." The most pointed charges in the affidavits were cited in a request by the Palm Beach Republican Party that Miss Roberts, a longtime Democrat, step down from the board because of her partisan behavior in last week's sample count of 4,600 ballots. When the count found that Mr. Gore netted 19 more votes, Miss Roberts was adamant about a full recount, asserting that Mr. Gore could claim as many as 1,900 more votes based on the sampling. Miss Roberts refused to remove herself from the panel, saying in a public statement read by canvassing board chairman Charles Burton to a press gallery that is now an encampment outside the Emergency Operation Center here that the count was done "in full view of public observers from both parties and cameras from all over the world. "All board members examined and voted on all questioned ballots and nearly all votes were unanimous. . . . I will continue to be fair and impartial and will not recuse myself." Yesterday, Miss Roberts publicly challenged the election powers of Secretary of State Katherine Harris, a Republican, in the recount dispute, saying Attorney General Robert Butterworth, a Democrat, had the proper authority. Mrs. Harris has been the target of Democrats, who claim she is partisan and must recuse herself. The partisan rancor has completely divided the sides in the manual recount debate. Palm County's hand count was delayed yesterday pending the state Supreme Court's opinion on the legal standing of the process. The charge against Miss Roberts "is not a witch hunt," said Mark Hoch, administrator for the county's Republican Party. "We have complaints coming out of the woodwork, and most of the things we look at are unsubstantiated," Mr. Hoch said. "Carol Roberts, though, can be seen as truly partisan." Miss Roberts arrived at the emergency center around 6:15 a.m. yesterday with a sheriff's deputy bodyguard and a personal assistant. As a vocal advocate of the manual count in both Palm Beach County and three other surrounding and Democrat-dominated counties, Miss Roberts has thrived on the controversy surrounding the recount. At one point this week, Miss Roberts said she would go to jail to have the manual recount accomplished. In Palm Beach County, recounts by hand and machine have added 787 votes for Mr. Gore to an extra 119 for Mr. Bush a net Gore pick up of 668. The affidavits filed yesterday also include charges that elections workers were reluctant to reassess votes despite the protests of observers. In one case, a worker refused to recount a stack of ballots that contained Bush votes, according to observer Mark Klimer. Mr. Klimer's statement included the accusation that Miss Roberts picked up ballots from a stack that was to be evaluated later by the entire board and interspersed them with a stack of Gore votes. He also said the ballot evaluation was inconsistent. Some ballots judged as Gore votes did not meet the agreed standards for a valid vote, the West Palm Beach banker said. Mr. Klimer said yesterday he was in the counting room for 4 and 1/2 hours on Saturday. A Republican, Mr. Klimer said his interest was not partisan: "I was there to make sure it was fair." "Beyond a shadow of a doubt, what I saw is the absolute truth," Mr. Klimer said. Miss Roberts is one of three Democrats on the seven-member County Commission. She was elected in 1986 after serving 11 years on the West Palm Beach City Council. When she became president of the Florida Association of Counties in 1996, Miss Roberts took some heat for marking the occasion with three days of festivities paid for with $55,000 from her business friends. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy
