Re: [CTRL] Civil Rights History and Bush: Turning back theclock?

[Vera Harper]

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Carla Bunion made a telling statement: blacks SAY that they were targeted and 
disenfranchised by the election 2000. Big deal? What liberal democrat didn't claim 
that? Every liberal in the state came out of the woodwork to claim that "oops, I voted 
for the wrong candidate because I was too stupid to vote". Wow, what a suprise. So, if 
Gore had connived and cheated his way into the white house, would anyone listen to me? 
That, as a black woman, I had been disenfranchised and felt cheated out of my vote? 
That quote this idiot gives:In addition, in America today, as Ira Glasser
points out, "blacks are disproportionately arrested, disproportionately
imprisoned, and disproportionately executed.", this is the sad truth because so many 
blacks have turned into criminals today rather than step forward and be a regular 
human being that we fought for in the earlier days to give them that freedom. Too many 
won't pick up the torch and use this freedom to better themselves, they want to get 
caught up in the oppression of blacks that they know nothing about, and use it as an 
excuse to screw up. That is what the liberal media has taught our young black people, 
"You have every right to hate and sit back while the rest of us cater to you". This 
isn't helping  the next generation to appreciate all that others have done to give 
them the equality that those others never had. That statistic of blacks in jail was 
true because so many feel it is their right to cheat  and steal and lie, and feel it 
is their right because of what America did to their ancestors. Sorry, but that is no 
excuse, and stop giving them excuses. They weren't the ones oppresse

d and they never picked any cotton,  so stop letting them think they were. There are 
ways out, of the ghettos and of the deep south, but they have to want to achieve their 
total freedom. I know many white people who feel oppressed in their lives for watever 
reason, but they don't get a convenient excuse to let them wallow in their misery, 
they try to rise above it. As should all blacks, the time for excuses is over and 
shame on this Carla for trying to give us more. Do yourselves a favor and stop 
listening to this crap! Jessie
Turning back the clock?
By Carla Binion

President John F. Kennedy sent federal troops to help integrate all-white
schools in the 1960s.  President Lyndon Johnson later steered civil-rights
legislation through Congress, including the Voting Rights Act of 1965 -- an
act that bolstered the voting rights of African-Americans.  Election 2000 has
transported us back to an earlier, less progressive time.

At least two recent events throw us back to a less racially-sensitive era:
First, many African-American voters say they were targeted and
disenfranchised during election 2000 -- that their right to vote was
violated.  Second, George W. Bush has nominated racially-insensitive John
Ashcroft for Attorney General.  (For more on Ashcroft, see Online Journal
articles of 12/29/00.)  However, these are not the first setbacks since the
civil-rights progress of the 1960s.  Here are two other examples:

(1)  President Ronald Reagan worked (unsuccessfully) to get Congress to
eliminate a critical section of the Voting Rights Act of 1965.  In addition,
the Reagan administration supported a Seattle law that opposed student
reassignment to achieve school integration.  The Reagan Justice Department
also argued in the Supreme Court that the IRS could not deny tax exemption to
the infamous Bob Jones University -- the school that prohibits interracial
dating without parental consent.  (Howard Zinn, THE TWENTIETH CENTURY: A
PEOPLE'S HISTORY, Harper and Row, 1980,  1984.)

(2)  Ira Glasser, former Executive Director of the American Civil Liberties
Union, writes that in 1989, in a series of decisions, the U. S. Supreme Court
"badly undermined the ability of people with claims of discrimination to
obtain relief in the courts."  For example, the Court made it easier for
employers to defend themselves against discrimination claims when it changed
the rules of proof in employment-discrimination cases.  (Ira Glasser, VISIONS
OF LIBERTY, Arcade Publishing, 1991.)

Glasser says that in response to the 1989 decisions, Supreme Court Justice
Harry Blackmun stated, "One wonders whether the majority still believes that
discrimination is a problem in our society, or even remembers that it ever
was."  In the various 1989 decisions, the Supreme Court reinterpreted, and
changed the meaning, of some of the civil-rights laws of the late 1960s and
the 1970s.

In 1990, Congress tried to amend the civil-rights laws in order to give them
back their original meaning "with language so clear that the Court could not
retreat from it," says Glasser.  Both houses of Congress passed the new law
that strengthened civil-rights, but President George H. W. Bush vetoed it,
claiming it was a "racial quota" law.  Glasser says Bush's characterization
was wrong -- that the law in fact 

Re: [CTRL] Just Say No To Ashcroft!

[Vera Harper]

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Amen eagle 1! As if we all loved Janet Reno!!! No one could possibly be worse than 
her. Kick and scream if you will, but George W. is kicking ass and taking names. When 
he said "trust me", about his cabinet picks, he wasn't joking. I see a brighter 
future! This man is going to make some changes, and the only ones who will cry about 
it are those with no soul. People with children everywhere will feel great knowing 
that they can raise them in a moral, better society. Those of you who don't have 
children...Who cares what you think? Your generation is over and you have no-one to 
keep the vigil of unrighteousness.

The message sounds so desparate!
Is this man really someone to be afraid of???
I suppose if you are a Democrat he is.

Hallelujah!!!  Glad there is someone to say NO
to Democratic control freaks.

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Re: [CTRL] CLuM Dualism (Solstice marked by sacrifice)

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Kansan is obviously a disciple of the 'fightin Jesus, of the One True True Religion.

Is the One True God the Angry God of the Old Testament, who destroys babies, women, 
races? Is he the God of the New Testament (the pepsi lite God)? Is he the New Age God 
of theological illiterates? Is he the all-forgiving God of the Roman Catholics? The 
financially needy God of the televangelists? The All-Seeing God of the worried small 
children? The space God JHVH-1, sent from another star to destroy the Earth? Is he the 
God who whispers to all the schitzophrenics? Who knows? Who cares? Just forget about 
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Re: [CTRL] CLuM Dualism (Solstice marked by sacrifice)

[c.]

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 - I also must point out that not everyone is "oh so behind you" in your
"perceptions of God". Feel free to give me your own opinion, but don't try
to say "everyone else" agrees with you. Jessie


heavens above woman- i thought i was clear enough in that i didn't mean that
"everybody" has the same god- i was mean everybody believes in their own god
which comes from their own spiritual interepretation of what god means to
them.

do you really miss the point every time- or is it deliberate ignorance?

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Re: [CTRL] Apologies

[Vera Harper]

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Dear Kansas, we call those forces, "The Angels Of Light". Satan cannot oppose them, 
because they stand on the truth, whereas you lie to your black heart's content. That 
was the saddest response I have ever heard. If you want to fight your pathetic jihad, 
do it, but don't lay that crap on us. Jessie-Fighting on the right side of TRUTH.
Kansas:
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Re: [CTRL] License to Kill

[c.]

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 Is that supposed to be a joke? Are we to understand from that statement
that Bill Clinton wants to be a tyrant? How could Clinton keep a straight
face while saying that? And how could anyone repeat it and have credibility?
 Michael wrote: The road to tyranny, we must never forget, begins
 with the destruction of the truth. -- Bill Clinton

a couple of weeks back you were shrugging off bush's comments as just a good
ol' boy makin' a joke about dictatorships.
remember?

go and tell me i am a hypocrite again vera.

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[CTRL] Fwd: Re: [CTRL] SNET: All the Militia News (fwd)

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I was not aware any babies were involved in this
incendiary bombing.  The entire neighborhood burned
rather slowly by WACO standards so people should have
been able to evacuate.  Can you (or anyone) give death
toll figures including how many were children?

But now because a person is discussing one particular
incident does not mean they care nothing about all
other wrongs.  It is just easier to discuss one thing
at a time.
Kindred

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 I wept in anger and frustration as I watched men,
 women and children
 burned to death in Waco by the pusillanimous ATF and
 FBI on orders from
 Washington. I was equally incensed by government
 murders of a young boy
 and a woman with a baby in her arms at Ruby Ridge,
 Idaho.


 I notice that by comparison, he doesn't seem the
 least bit upset that
 the government burned babies alive (and an entire
 neighborhood to the
 ground) when it bombed the MOVE house in
 Philadelphia.

 Now why do you suppose that is?

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Re: [CTRL] CLuM Dualism (Solstice marked by sacrifice)

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Johannes, forgive my tongue, but you are an inane bumbling idiot. No man should ever 
pretend to know anything about nothing and then think he is smart. I cannot imagine 
anyone being so illiterate about God and in the same breath pretend to know all about 
Him. Your senseless  statements prove just how dull-witted you are. And life will 
never go on without Jesus' Truth and you should be glad for that. It gives you that 
much more time to realize the error of your ways. Forget about Jesus? Yeah right. He 
is the only lifeline we have to a better future and the only way you will reach real 
happiness in life. Forsake your pitiful god, self, and embrace the real. Johannes, the 
Lord seeks to find you, just turn and recieve true life. You think you are so open 
minded? Seek God right now, wherever you are, with true faith, believe that if He is 
there you will know, or if He isn't you will know, but be open. If you do this in all 
truth, you will know more than you did five minutes ago. I am an o

pen minded soul, and this worked for me. I thought I was so damned smart and open 
minded. But as my grandpa says "Don't be so open-minded that your brains fall out". 
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Re: [CTRL] CLuM Dualism (Solstice marked by sacrifice)

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thankyou vera for repeatedly demonstrating all that is wrong with
monotheistic "one true godhead" belief systems.
your understanding that only *you* have the truth because *you* have
embraced the one true religion.

you didn't answer me before vera- are all other denominations wrong? are
catholics wrong? are other non- xtian religions wrong?

how do you know that your god is the one true god- cause excuse me- but
there are a number of xtian cults that claim the same thing- while
condemning your own denomination.

do tell.


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 Johannes, forgive my tongue, but you are an inane bumbling idiot. No man
should ever pretend to know anything about nothing and then think he is
smart. I cannot imagine anyone being so illiterate about God and in the same
breath pretend to know all about Him. Your senseless  statements prove just
how dull-witted you are. And life will never go on without Jesus' Truth and
you should be glad for that. It gives you that much more time to realize the
error of your ways. Forget about Jesus? Yeah right. He is the only lifeline
we have to a better future and the only way you will reach real happiness in
life. Forsake your pitiful god, self, and embrace the real. Johannes, the
Lord seeks to find you, just turn and recieve true life. You think you are
so open minded? Seek God right now, wherever you are, with true faith,
believe that if He is there you will know, or if He isn't you will know, but
be open. If you do this in all truth, you will know more than you did five
minutes ago. I am an o

 pen minded soul, and this worked for me. I thought I was so damned smart
and open minded. But as my grandpa says "Don't be so open-minded that your
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Re: [CTRL] CLuM Dualism (Solstice marked by sacrifice)

[Vera Harper]

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"C", no, you were not clear, and no, there is no deliberate ignorance on my part, but 
on yours, it would have to be, wouldn't it? No one could argue on such opinionated 
grounds and then pretend to be so inclusive of all in the next breath. Give it up. 
Just because you have no real views, don't put us all to sleep.

heavens above woman- i thought i was clear enough in that i didn't mean that
"everybody" has the same god- i was mean everybody believes in their own god
which comes from their own spiritual interepretation of what god means to
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[CTRL] Fwd: Re: [CTRL] License to Kill

[Kindred Spirit]

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ROTFL!!  J2 does not suffer fools gladly, does he?
This does seem to be what is being fished for with the
inquiry.  J2 aims to please. LOL!
Kindred

 Johannes Schmidt III wrote:
 
  -Caveat Lector-
 
  I believe there was some serious public debate at
 the time about whether Negros had souls, and this
 was somewhat of a compromise. And I'm not being
 fecetious either.

 Negros don't have souls.

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Re: [CTRL] Just Say No To Ashcroft!

[c.]

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- Original Message -
From: "Vera Harper" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 27 December 2000 06:06
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Just Say "No" To Ashcroft!



Those of you who don't have children...Who cares what you think? Your
generation is over and you have no-one to keep the vigil of
unrighteousness.


i have children  ergo i am righteous
i have no children ergo i am unrighteous
so spaketh the one true god

personally i wouldn't let my son anywhere near you jessie/vera, you are one
scarey woman/ man/ alien/ god's one true representative on earth/ whatever.

what denomination are you?

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[CTRL] Educate-Yourself.org-The Ted Gunderson Files

[Birds]

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Thank you for introducing this to the list.  Since I have been asking around, it does 
seem he is not so safe.  I have not read your
posting yet.  A lot to read to find his.  Who is the author who wrote this and how 
reliable is that person?  Anyway, Neil Brick on
this list still has much information on this case regardless of what Gunderson says or 
does.  I just mentioned him because people
seemed to be  having a problem with Neil's explanations.
There was also another post that explained it intrically what happened and that the 
tunnels were real.  That is all I wanted to get
clear was the truth about the tunnels and the school.  It is always good to weed out 
the bad ones especially if still in the CIA.
Thank you.


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Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Educate-Yourself.org-The Ted Gunderson Files


-Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 12/30/00 7:32:00 AM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Ted has also made a pest of himself by trying to help blow the lid off the
 vast CIA covert mind control operations going on in this country.

  Most of Ted's research has centered on CIA controlled operations, so
 naturally those fine Americans (?) employed by US taxpayers at Langley,
 Virginia  would tend to be a little upset with Ted and perhaps want to see
 him permanently retired. Maybe that's why Ted has had six attempts on his
 life. Of course, it could just be bad luck too. Most people have two or
three
 attempted whacks on average don't they?

  So, if  Ted won't lay down in the 'usual' manner, how does his Langley
 friends get him to shut him?

Before making a hero out of Ted, read "The Last Circle."  It's pretty clear
to me that Ted is on the inside.

http://www.lycaeum.org/books/books/last_circle/

Samantha

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[CTRL] Educate-Yourself.org-The Ted Gunderson Files

[Birds]

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Also,

You have me as quoted saying all the bottom things? I never wrote anything about Ted 
Gunderson personally.  All I did was post his
website.  Where or who said those other things about Ted?  Was not me.  You made it 
look like me.  Please clear this up as to who it
was as I have not come across the posting.  Might have deleted it by accident. But it 
was not me.

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In a message dated 12/30/00 7:32:00 AM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Ted has also made a pest of himself by trying to help blow the lid off the
 vast CIA covert mind control operations going on in this country.

  Most of Ted's research has centered on CIA controlled operations, so
 naturally those fine Americans (?) employed by US taxpayers at Langley,
 Virginia  would tend to be a little upset with Ted and perhaps want to see
 him permanently retired. Maybe that's why Ted has had six attempts on his
 life. Of course, it could just be bad luck too. Most people have two or
three
 attempted whacks on average don't they?

  So, if  Ted won't lay down in the 'usual' manner, how does his Langley
 friends get him to shut him?

Before making a hero out of Ted, read "The Last Circle."  It's pretty clear
to me that Ted is on the inside.

http://www.lycaeum.org/books/books/last_circle/

Samantha

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[CTRL] Junk Mail Get-Back

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 junk mail and put it in these cool little envelopes! If you

 didn't get anything else that day, then just send them their

 application back (TOTALLY BLANK)! Just make sure your name

 isn't on anything you send them. Heck, you can send it back

 empty if you want. Keep 'em guessing that way. Let's turn

 this into a chain letter. Eventually, The banks will begin

 getting all their garbage back in the mail. Let's let them

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[CTRL] Fwd: Lawrence Korb on Pollard Case Weinberger

[Kris Millegan]

October 19, 1990 
Dr. Lawrence J. Korb
The Brookings Institution
Center for Public Education
1775 Massachusetts Avenue N.W.
Washington D.C. 20036-2183

Dr. Morris Pollard
Coleman Professor and Director
Lobund Laboratory
University of Notre Dame
Notre Dame, Indiana

Dear Professor Pollard:
It was with great sadness and empathy that I read your letter of September
24, 1990. It must be so very difficult for you to deal with your son¹s
situation. 

I am not aware of exactly what Weinberger told the Court about the impact of
the information Jonathan passed to Israel. I do know that Weinberger had an
almost visceral dislike of Israel and the special place it occupies in our
foreign policy. In my opinion, the severity of the sentence that Jonathan
received was out of proportion to his alleged offense.

I wish there were something I could do to help you, but I am afraid all I
can offer you are my prayers and empathy.

Sincerely,
(signed) Larry Korb
Lawrence J. Korb
Director 

Dr. Korb was an Assistant Secretary of Defense for Manpower during the
Reagan Administration.

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Re: [CTRL] CLuM Dualism (Solstice marked by sacrifice)

[Kris Millegan]

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Yo, Jesse, You can stop your prostelyzing BS or you will booted.

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[CTRL] Fwd: DPFOR: ACT NOW: US to Outlaw Hemp Products

[Kris Millegan]

Please copy and re-distribute this announcement.

ACTION ALERT -- December 30, 2000

U.S. to Outlaw Hemp Products

On November 30, 2000, the Drug Enforcement Administration published its
Semiannual Regulatory Agenda (Unified Agenda) in the Federal
Register.  Included in this agenda is the intent of the DEA to outlaw
currently legal hemp products through changes to their administrative
regulations.

Administrative rules or regulations (these are interchangeable terms) are
promulgated by governmental agencies and have the force of statutory
law. Federal administrative regulations are first published in the Federal
Register and later codified in the Code of Federal Regulations.  Once
proposed rules are published in the Federal Register, the public generally
has 30 days to comment on the rules before the agency makes its final
decision.

Under the title "Use of Marijuana for Industrial Purposes" in the Unified
Agenda published in the Federal Register on 11/30/00, the DEA describes its
intent to publish three proposed rules regarding hemp products.

http://www.levellers.org/dea/unified.agenda.html

1) Interpretive rule: The DEA will formally state its interpretation of
existing law with respect to THC.  According to the DEA's interpretation of
the Controlled Substances Act, any product containing any amount of THC is
considered a Schedule I controlled substance, even though such products are
made from portions of the cannabis plant that have been excluded from the
federal definition of marijuana since 1937.

http://www.levellers.org/dea/thcdefn.html

2) Proposed rule: The DEA will revise the wording of their own regulations
so that both naturally-occurring and synthetic THC will be considered
Schedule I controlled substances.  Right now, DEA rules only prohibit
synthetic THC, not the naturally-occurring THC that is contained in trace
amounts in industrial hemp products.

3) Interim rule: This rule will exempt some hemp products that are not
intended for human consumption (paper, rope and clothing).  However,
sterilized seed for human consumption (used to make cookies, tortilla chips,
pancakes, etc.) will be banned.  Highly nutritious hemp seed oil will also
be banned.  Hemp personal care products (soap, shampoo, lip balm, lotion,
etc.) are still in question.  The DEA would like to outlaw them as well and
is still looking for evidence that THC can be absorbed through the skin when
these products are used.  If they find (or invent) this evidence, then they
may also ban hemp clothing, which is also in contact with the skin and hemp
rolling papers which are consumed when burned!

These proposed rules have been reviewed and approved by the U.S. Justice
Department, DEA and Office of National Drug Control Policy (ONDCP). A July
10, 2000 letter from Barry McCaffrey (ONDCP) to Congresswoman Patsy T. Mink
shows where the federal government is coming from.  In this letter,
McCaffrey states that hemp used for human consumption is "confounding our
Federal drug control testing programs".

http://www.hempembargo.com/topstories/1010.htm

Apparently, this is in response to soldiers and transportation workers
blaming hemp consumption for THC-positive urinalysis tests.  Instead of
enacting a behavioral testing program to weed out employees that are
impaired by a wide range of conditions, be it cannabis use, stress, lack of
sleep or use of other substances, the government has decided to make it a
felony to possess hemp products that have been safely consumed by humans for
over 10,000 years!

The next step is for a Notice of Proposed Rule-Making to be published in the
Federal Register.  At that point, the public will have 30 days to comment on
the proposed rules, but at that point, it may well be too late for
hemp.  The only time we may have to save hemp products in the U.S. is now!

CONTACT CONGRESS NOW!!!
We need to contact our federal Senators and Representatives to put pressure
on the DEA to NOT officially publish these proposed rules.  Please call,
fax, write and email your federal representatives.  Time is of the essence
since we do not know when the DEA will officially publish its proposed
rules.  Make sure you ask your congressmembers to strongly oppose this
proposed rule-making, not just inquire about it.  To date, the DEA has
received over 200 "inquiries" from congressmembers, but those inquiries
weren't logged as opposition to the matter.

PHONES:
Capitol Switchboard:
Senate: (202) 224-3121
House: (202) 225-3121

FAX CONGRESS FOR FREE!
The National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws is providing a
free service to send a fax to your members of congress.

1) Go to http://congress.nw.dc.us/norml/
2) Fill out your name and contact information and click next.
3) A list of your federal representatives (based on your zip code) will
appear.
4) Select the "Stop the DEA from Banning Industrial Hemp" button and click
next.
5) You can either use the text that NORML has provided, the text that CO-HIP
provides 

[CTRL] For Ms. Harper and company

[PM Kansan1225]

-Caveat Lector-

  Hello, again, and Happy New Year to all.

  I am a Christian and believe in the Holy Trinity of the Father, the
Son, and the Holy Spirit.

  My successes in Conspiracy investigations have led me to believe that
the Holy Spirit points me in the right direction.

  For example, on June 5, 1999, I posted a message on alt.conspiracy and
other newsgroups identifying the date July 16 as a target date for CLuM
activities.  On July 16, 1999, JFK, Jr., fell victim to an aviation
"accident".

  Again, most recently, on September 19, 2000, I wrote in my newsletter
that October 12, 2000, would likely see "some new CLuM outrage".  As it
happened, on October 12, 2000, on Columbus Day, the USS Cole was attacked in
Yemen.

  I have come to the conclusion that this kind of success is not solely
my own doing.  It seems that God wants me to warn people about the Conspiracy
in concrete terms and have them choose good over evil.

  Best regards,

  Kansan1225

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[CTRL] Deke Bones

[Kris Millegan]

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Deke Bones

Well, now ain’t we all having fun, now. We just went through a farce of an
election and now have the idiot son as our president-select.  This effrontery
to our republic has been brought to us by the same group of folks who killed
Kennedy and have been involved in many of the major scandals of the last
forty years. Actually parts of this group have been very close to levers of
our executive branch since some of them stole a Presidential election over
100 years ago.

You see, Rutherford B. Hayes, a Republican, who stole (historians do not
quibble over this fact) the election of 1878 from Democrat Samuel Tilden, the
popular vote-winner, was a member of the “oldest international secret
fraternity of New England origin” DKE (Delta Kappa Epsilon). DKE is the only
international fraternity that traces its roots to Yale. It was begun by
fifteen students as a Junior Class society in 1844.  At Yale it has been a
recruiting ground for the German -related Senior Class secret society, Skull
and Bones, which has been recruiting 15 students a year since 1832.

Skull  Bones founder Alphonso Taft served as Attorney General in the Grant
administration and helped to shape the electoral commission of 1877 which
papered over the theft.  Bonesmen Morrison R Waite who was Chief Justice of
the US Supreme Court and Senator Wilhelm Evan Evarts, whom served has Hayes’s
Secretary of State helped to influence the commission outcome. There were
many other fraternal brothers, DKE’s and Bonesmen helping to shape the
eventual outcome. An agreement whereby the Southern Democrats didn’t
“contest” the election for insurances of the end of Reconstruction, removal
of Federal troops and the subsequent disenfranchisement of Negro citizens.

As history has passed into today the influences of these two related
fraternal organizations are stark in their powerful influences upon decisions
effecting the course of our republic and the US conduct in world affairs.
They have been involved in narcotics smuggling and the helped to foster a
failed drugwar for economic, social and political control, for one.  And
through members such as Theodore Roosevelt, William H. Taft, Col. H Stimson,
Averill Harriman, Prescott Bush and others these secret fraternities have had
major long-time influence and control.

Kennedy murder cover-up Warren Commission member, and pardoner of “Trick
Dick” Nixon, DKE Gerald Ford is also an active member of this select secret
group. Do we need to mention that George HW “Poppy” Bush is a member of both
secret clubs, whilst his esteemed, “where did he come from” vice-president
Dan Quayle was just a “Deke.”

And now again, our republic is burdened with an illegitimate DKE and Skull 
Bones President, George W. Bush.  The psychological damage to our
participatory republic is I am sure calculated. The “elite deviants” have
stole the election in broad daylight, through hypocrisy, thuggery and
chicanery. And have put the idiot son in as President of this nation and
there ain’t nothing that us poor hoi polloi can do about it.

We shall see.

Om
Kris Millegan


What do you do with the defective slaves?


What do you do with the defective slaves?
Do you set them aside?
Do you boil them in oil?
Do you deceive them,
As, you bleed them,
All the while?

What do you do with the defective slaves?
Do you get them to fight one another?
You know,
To save you the bother?

Now, you lose,
By the way,
Everytime;
But the play is the game,
And it ain’t always the same.
And isn’t being a player,
Better than,
Being the game?

What do you do with the defective slaves?
Effectively, cajoling away,
Away down the river,
Away till the time,
A will and a way,
For the defective slaves.


(C) !997 R. A. Kris Millegan
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Re: [CTRL] CLuM Dualism (Solstice marked by sacrifice)

[Aleisha Saba]

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Yo Kris - would like to add this - Kansan seems sincere and his thoughts
may not be his own 

He may be picking up thougohts of someone close to him - he could be a
receiver or has done so much research he unknowingly has picked up a
pattern - often patterns linked to full moon plans.

There is nothing new under the sun - nothing wrong looking for a
conspiracy and as my old friend wrote - and told me - Cui Bono, always
ask Cui Bono - and called her book Conspiracy Chain - a chain of
events.lurking underground, this Mafia think.

Item on webt today notes CIA accusing Mafia of stuff - the CIA should
know - they have freelance contract assassins floationg around but then
so does KGB, MOSSAD, Tongs of Terror involved now but was always there -
you have Taiwan in the hand now - look at Los Alamos.


So anytime somebody calls someone a "conspiracy nut" or paranoid, I
always remember the US Supreme Court said:

"Just because someone is paranoid does not necessarily mean there was no
conspiracy".I rest my case.

As for God,  well I always preferred Cain - a peaceful farmer - and even
today, the farmer is still being persecuted by these "godly" politicians
- for as the bible says - hey they want us to pay for the water we
drink" to which could be added - yes and now they destroy the
farmersto reduce men to be dependent on the enemy for the food he
eats and the water he drinks...

So Happy New Year Kris and thanks for a good list and opportunity to
participate.and Happy New Year to List.

And we got our 3 presidents.hope that is the end of it.but
tomorrow is another year.

Saba aka Colleen/Aleisha so they say..

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Re: [CTRL] Junk Mail Get-Back

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In a message dated 12/31/00 2:26:12 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Well, most if not all of those letters come with a postage

 "PREPAID"envelope. So why not get rid of some of your other

 junk mail and put it in these cool little envelopes! If you

 didn't get anything else that day, then just send them their

 application back (TOTALLY BLANK)! Just make sure your name

 isn't on anything you send them. Heck, you can send it back

 empty if you want. Keep 'em guessing that way. Let's turn

 this into a chain letter. Eventually, The banks will begin

 getting all their garbage back in the mail. Let's let them

 know what its like to get junk mail, and best of all

 they're paying for it! Twice! Only in America! Send this

 to a friend or two or three.or ten.or twenty!!!
 

Why not take this idea one step further and get rid of some of those old
telephone directorys you have laying around the house?
This is what I have done in the past. Take an old telephone directory, rap it
in brown rapping paper, and tape the postage paid envelope to it and drop it
in a postal service collection box.

Bill

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Re: [CTRL] CLuM Dualism (Solstice marked by sacrifice)

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Pardon me - my friends book was Assassination Chain - she had changed it
- forgive me but could not let that mistake go by.

So conspiracy was on my mind

saba

This book cost her in more ways than one.the IRS nailed her for
$150,000 and got me for only $50.00 for taking my dog off as security
dog - we settled in a compromise.
If the big boys take off killer dogs as security costs, why couldn't
I??

So someone sent IRS out to get her.and I was the more honest maybe
of the two of us.

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[CTRL] Six Gulf nations sign defense pact, first for region

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Six Gulf nations sign defense pact, first for region

By ADNAN MALIK
The Associated Press
12/31/00 5:22 AM


MANAMA, Bahrain (AP) -- Six Persian Gulf nations signed the region's first
defense pact, pledging to come to each other's aid in case of attack, a
Bahraini official said.

The agreement among the Gulf Cooperation Council nations also envisions an
early warning system and an expanded rapid deployment force, said the
official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

A communique outlining the pact was expected to be issued later Sunday at
the close of the two-day council summit.

The council states -- Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Oman and the
United Arab Emirates -- have been discussing an accord that would label
outside aggression against one member country as aggression against all.

They have also discussed an early warning system whose purpose would be to
guard against missiles fired from Iraq or Iran. Iraq's 1990 invasion of
Kuwait sparked the Gulf War, and the United Arab Emirates is locked in a
territorial dispute with Iran.

The cost of the early warning system has been estimated at $70 million,
while a project to link the armies of the six countries in one communication
network would cost about $80 million.

Council members GCC members also have considered increasing the number of
soldiers in a rapid deployment force formed in 1986 from 5,000 to 22,000.

The Gulf Cooperation Council was formed in 1981 as a loose political,
economic and military alliance. All six countries in the group rely largely
on protection from the United States and other Western allies.


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[CTRL] Kahane's son killed after Arafat's Fatah urges intensified attacks

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Kahane's son killed after Arafat's Fatah urges intensified attacks

By DINA KRAFT
The Associated Press
12/31/00 3:17 AM


JERUSALEM (AP) -- The son of the late Rabbi Meir Kahane, an anti-Arab
leader, was killed along with his wife in a shooting attack on their car in
the West Bank on Sunday, a day after Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat's
Fatah faction called for an intensification of violence. The couple's five
children were injured.

The victims were in a car that was fired upon as it passed the Palestinian
village of Ein Yavrud, an Israeli army spokesman said. The car flipped over
and fell into a ravine after the driver, Binyamin Zeev Kahane, 34, was
killed. His wife Talia, 31, also died and five children were injured, one
seriously, the army said.

Meir Kahane, who headed the now-outlawed Kach movement, advocated expelling
Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza Strip. He was assassinated in New
York in 1990.

His son Binyamin lived in the West Bank settlement of Tapuah and ran a
religious school that kept the extremist policies of his father alive.

Before the victims were identified publicly, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud
Barak called the shooting was a "grave attack" and said that due to such
violence, reservations among Israeli security officials will be included in
Israel's list of proposed amendments to an American peace plan.

But Barak said the army does not oppose the government's persistence in
seeking a peace deal. "There of course is not a problem here of support for
the continuation of the peace process," he told Israel radio.

Three months of hostilities have killed almost 350 people, most of them
Palestinians. With Israel and the Palestinians appearing deadlocked over
terms of a peace plan that President Clinton has suggested, Fatah called on
Palestinians Saturday to step up their attacks on Israelis.

Arafat's movement urged its followers and fighters "to make the next two
weeks days of struggle against Israeli soldiers and settlers."

"The continuation of the Intefadeh is the only way, the only method, of
achieving independence," Fatah said in a statement that spoke of
Palestinians' "utter rejection" of Clinton's ideas.

While Arafat is under international pressure to accept Clinton's proposals
as the basis for a final peace deal, he faces broad demands at home to stay
with the popular uprising.

Arafat traveled to Tunisia for talks Sunday with Tunisian President Zine el
Abidine Ben Ali, his latest bid to gauge Arab support for peace on Clinton's
terms. A key test will come next week, when Arab foreign ministers are to
weigh in on the peace plan.

Israeli Foreign Minister Shlomo Ben-Ami spoke Saturday with the foreign
ministers of Egypt and Jordan and told them Israel accepts the basic
guidelines of Clinton's proposals but has some reservations, Ben-Ami's
office said.

Making a final peace push in his last three weeks in office, Clinton is
asking the two sides for a trade-off: Israel would concede Arab parts of
Jerusalem, including control of Judaism's most revered holy site.

In turn, Palestinians would scale back demands on the "right of return" for
millions of Palestinian refugees and their descendants.

Both sides have signaled unwillingness to compromise on those crucial
points, although Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak has not explicitly ruled
out international sovereignty over the disputed holy site, known to Jews as
the Temple Mount and to Muslims as Haram as-Sharif, the Noble Sanctuary.

Palestinian officials said Saturday that recent days had seen back-channel
negotiations in New York with Palestinian and Israeli officials and U.S.
mediators -- but that the meetings had ended in deadlock.

Senior Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat said he called U.S. mediator
Dennis Ross on Saturday to insist his side needed more details on the terms
of Clinton's plan before it could respond to his invitation to peace talks.

"We can't make a decision on the U.S. proposals since issues like Jerusalem,
the border, security and settlements and refugees are not clear," Erekat
told The Associated Press.

A leader of Israel's dovish Meretz party urged compromise, saying one side
would have to give ground if the other did: Palestinians on refugees, and
then Israel on the sovereignty of the Temple Mount.

"If the leaders don't take the responsibility to do this, this historic
chance, which is the greatest opportunity in the history of both nations,
will be missed," lawmaker Yossi Sarid said.

Clashes Saturday moved to Israel's northern frontier, the scene of
Israeli-Lebanese violence earlier this week. Israeli security forces said
their troops shot a man among a crowd of Lebanese stone-throwers when he
tried to climb over a border fence. The man died.

Spurred by the earlier border violence, Iranian Defense Minister Ali
Shamkhani was quoted in Saturday's Kuwaiti Al-Watan newspaper as saying Iran
would not leave its "strategic ally Syria" or Lebanon to face Israel alone.

Iran's 

[CTRL] New childhood leukemia case surfaces in Fallon

[Amelia]

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New childhood leukemia case surfaces in Fallon
The Associated Press
12/30/00 10:51 PM


FALLON, Nev. (AP) -- An eighth case of childhood leukemia this year has
surfaced in this small rural town where the drinking water was found to
contain twice as much arsenic as allowed by law, a newspaper reported
Saturday.

The cases are under investigation by the state Health Division, which is
searching for a common link among the children.

"To see this many cases all of a sudden is unusual," state epidemiologist
Randall Todd said in Saturday's Lahontan Valley News and Fallon Eagle
Standard. "If there is something in the environment, we need to find it so
we can prevent further cases."

Since the investigation began in July, Todd said he has met with the
children and their families but has been unable to find any common factors
that could account for the cause.

The city of Fallon, with about 8,300 residents 60 miles east of Reno, is
under a federal Environmental Protection Agency order to treat its drinking
water. EPA officials have said they're unaware of any public water system in
the country with such a high level of arsenic.

Todd said it's only a remote possibility that the leukemia is linked to
local water supplies. The water sources aren't the same for all the
families, he said.

In his investigation, Todd said he read through scientific studies of
childhood leukemia in Woburn, Mass., that were the basis for the book and
film "A Civil Action." The case was associated with women drinking water
from two wells containing several contaminants while they were pregnant.

Todd said there was a small amount of arsenic in the wells in Woburn, but it
was not found to be responsible for the leukemia there.

"Many times we don't find any common factors," Todd said. "The odds of this
type of investigation yielding answers is not good, but the importance is
high.

"We have not found an answer yet and there is quite a bit more work that has
to be done."

The latest case involves a 5-year-old boy diagnosed with acute lymphatic
leukemia in November, the newpaper reported.

No one knows what causes childhood leukemia. Suspected triggers include
radiation exposure, electromagnetic fields or volatile organic compounds,
such as benzene, solvents and fossil fuels.

Arlene McDonnell, director of quality risk management for Churchill
Community Hospital in Fallon, said some people have speculated about the
effect of nuclear testing outside Fallon in the 1960s or activities
associated with the Fallon Naval Air Station.

"Think about all of the products we live with every day that we don't really
think about," she said. "There are so many things we are exposed to each
day. ... It is way too premature to know anything.

"Statistically, based on our population, this is huge. Is it a coincidence,
or is there a reason?"


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[CTRL] How it works: First You Give Money, Then You Give Advice

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First You Give Money, Then You Give Advice

 Sunday, December 31, 2000

 By GENARO C. ARMAS
 Associated Press Writer

 WASHINGTON (AP) - After giving their money, some donors
 to President-elect Bush's campaign now get the chance to
 advise him on how to restructure the federal government.

 Campaign finance watchdogs say naming donors who helped
 Bush build his record $100 million campaign war chest to the
 "transition advisory teams" amounts to political payback,
 and sends a message the public has to pay up to be heard.

 Bush aides counter the 474 advisory team members will not
 be paid, include many non-donors from diverse
 backgrounds, and will have no access to government
 agencies or non-public documents.

 Either way, the practice is not unusual during a presidential
 transition, said Charles Lewis, executive director of the
 Center for Public Integrity, a government watchdog group.

 "Having given money to the campaign and party helps
 assure that they will be at the table to be heard," Lewis said
 Saturday. "That's how the process works in Washington ...
 the Bush team isn't different in that regard."

 An Associated Press review of campaign finance records
 found that donor names on Bush advisory teams included:
 Kenneth L. Lay, chief executive officer of the Houston-based
 energy giant Enron Corp. once in the running to be Bush's
 treasury secretary; California venture capitalist E. Floyd
 Kvamme; and Michael Carvin, the lawyer who represented
 Bush during the recount case in the Florida Supreme Court.

 -Enron and its employees have given more money to Bush's
 various campaigns than anyone else, according to the
 Center for Public Integrity. Lay is on the energy advisory
 committee.

 -Kvamme gave $1,000 to Bush's campaign, Federal Election
 Commission records show. He and his wife donated $50,000
 each this year to the Republican National Committee's state
 elections committee.

 -Carvin, a former deputy attorney general in the Justice
 Department during the Reagan administration, gave $1,000.
 He and two other attorneys from Carvin's
 Washington-based law firm, Cooper, Carvin  Rosenthal,
 PLLC, were named to the Justice advisory team.

 "This is the candidate who raised the most money ... so of
 course, you'll have those powerful forces coming around,"
 Lewis said. "(Donors) were making an investment in the
 future for their interest groups. This is payback time."

 Former Rep. Bill Paxon, R-N.Y., who will chair the overall
 advisory committee, said: "The goal here is to try to provide
 the incoming administration with a variety of viewpoints,
 ideas and suggestions."

 Other notable names on the lists include: Minnesota Gov.
 Jesse Ventura, who will serve on the advisory committee on
 trade relations; Montana Gov. Marc Racicot, a leading
 spokesman during the Florida recount battle who will sit on
 the Interior advisory committee; and former Tennessee Gov.
 Lamar Alexander, who will advise on the education
 committee.

 Also included: the Rev. Floyd Flake, a former Democratic
 congressman once considered a candidate to be Bush's
 education secretary; and National Urban League President
 Hugh B. Price, who gave $1,000 to Democrat Al Gore's
 presidential campaign. Flake and Price will serve on the
 education committee.

 "It's a diverse group. There are Democrats who opposed us
 on the committee," Bush spokesman Ari Fleischer said
 Saturday. "It's hard to pay back people who opposed you."

 In today's political environment, "All of this is prelude of the
 promise of a new administration, and these are people who
 clearly want to establish friendly relations," said Larry
 Makinson, executive director of the Center for Responsive
 Politics, a nonpartisan research group that studies campaign
 finance.

 Bush also did not forget South Carolina 

[CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Environmental warfare, Chossudovsky

[Amelia]

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I agree with you and if it were averaged out over a longer time period of
perhaps 1,000 years, all this weather would be found.  I just wish there
were some sort of "test" or reading of some measurements to definitely say
if it is being modified or not.  That would not answer the "why" but at
least we would know.
Amelia

- Original Message -
From: "Ynr Chyldz Wyld"

 What we are experiencing COULD just be part of a pattern that occurs over,
say 3 centuries; and as such it
 would in fact be 'normal', albeit seemingly abnormal by our limited
perspective.

 What needs to be done is to check long-term weather patterns, via tree
rings, core ice samples, etc.  Only
 then can it be said with any certainty whether the weather is actually
'strange' or not...  ;-)


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[CTRL] Japan to develop advanced military aircraft

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Report: Japan to develop advanced military aircraft
The Associated Press
12/30/00 9:02 AM
TOKYO (AP) -- Japan plans to independently develop a range of advanced
military aircraft over a 10-year period beginning next year, a news report
said Saturday.

Opposition to the plan could come from the United States, which in the past
has called on Tokyo to purchase U.S. fighter planes.

The Defense Agency will invest about $3 billion to develop an advanced
anti-submarine patrol plane called the PX, Kyodo News agency said.

The plane would replace the current P-3C planes developed by the United
States, Kyodo said, citing government sources. Also, a cargo transport plane
called the CX would replace the C-1 planes Japan already makes.

Defense Agency officials were unavailable for comment late Saturday.

Earlier this month, the Cabinet approved an allocation of $43 billion for
defense spending as part of a five-year plan.

Kyodo said the Security Council of Japan, chaired by Prime Minister Yoshiro
Mori, decided to earmark $46 million for the project to develop the planes.

Japan currently has fleets of 100 P-3Cs and 27 C-1s, the report said.

It will likely take three years to design and seven years to produce the
prototypes of the new anti-submarine and cargo transport planes, and the
Defense Agency aims to deploy the first planes on the 10th year from the
start of the project in April, Kyodo said.

Japan's neighbors remain wary of moves regarding its military.

Since the end of World War II, Tokyo's defense posture has been limited
because of suspicion from China and other Asian countries invaded by Japan
during the war, and by the country's postwar "peace" constitution that
restricts its military to self-defense.

Japan had considered domestic production of an advanced support fighter, the
FSX, in 1985 to replace aging F-1 fighters. But it later agreed with the
United States in 1988 to replace the F-1 fighters with aircraft that
modified the U.S.-made F-16 fighters.


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[CTRL] Four cases of Legionnaire's disease diagnosed at Paris hospital

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Four cases of Legionnaire's disease diagnosed at Paris hospital
The Associated Press
12/30/00 11:15 AM


PARIS (AP) -- A Paris hospital has banned showers and ordered water pipes
disinfected after four people were diagnosed with Legionnaire's disease,
health officials said Saturday.

All four people caught the respiratory disease in the past month, said Dr.
Guy Meyer, president of the infectious disease unit at Paris' newly opened
Georges Pompidou European Hospital.

One of the patients diagnosed with Legionnaire's disease has died, but his
death was related to a heart condition, hospital director Louis Omnes said.
The three other patients were treated with antibiotics and were doing well,
Meyer said.

The ultramodern 750-bed hospital in southwestern Paris was officially
inaugurated by French President Jacques Chirac last week. But it has had a
series of setbacks since opening its doors in July, including frequent
computer and technical breakdowns.

Officials suspect that Legionella -- a waterborne bacterium -- developed in
unused sections of water pipes in the hospital, which is only partially
occupied by about 250 patients.

"The stagnation of hot water could explain the epidemic," Omnes said.

Legionella can be inhaled when water is released into the air, through air
conditioners, steam or other means. Disinfecting with chlorine or heat
usually kills the bacterium, which causes a form of pneumonia.

The disease does not spread person to person. Symptoms include high fever,
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[CTRL] Wars rage in more than a third of nations

[Amelia]

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Report: Wars rage in more than a third of nations

By PAULINE JELINEK
The Associated Press
12/30/00 12:37 AM


WASHINGTON (AP) -- George W. Bush and his team of Cold War warriors face a
world of increasing conflict, with military experts counting 68 countries
suffering civil unrest, drug wars and other skirmishes. The number is up
from 65 last year and nearly twice the average at the sunset of superpower
rivalry in the late 1980s.

Of the 193 countries it examined, the National Defense Council Foundation
found more than a third were in conflict. The think tank, which has retired
military officers among its analysts, concluded the most dangerous strife is
in Afghanistan.

"We're more in danger now -- citizens traveling abroad and trade routes are
more in jeopardy than ever before," retired Army Maj. F. Andy Messing Jr.,
executive director of the Alexandria, Va.-based foundation, said in an
interview.

"There are all these little wars going on and a lot of them are starting to
... restrict marketplaces, resource bases and impact ... our ability to
navigate the globe safely," he said, adding that proliferation of weapons of
mass destruction and increasing world population add to the danger.

The report said the year's "stupidest conflict" is in Cameroon, where the
government created and armed paramilitary groups to help stamp out
widespread crime. "The militias and paramilitaries have created far more
chaos and death than crime ever would have," the report said.

The foundation, which describes itself as a "right-of-center" think tank, is
aligned with conservatives who advocate military spending reforms. Like
Bush, it advocates limited U.S. intervention abroad.

"We can't intervene in this expanding plethora of conflicts," Messing said.

Retired Joint Chiefs chairman Gen. Colin Powell as secretary of state,
former Defense Secretary Dick Cheney as vice president and repeat Defense
Secretary Donald Rumsfeld will face new dangers, said Messing, who says he
briefed Bush on global defense issues in 1998.

"Unless they reconfigure the Department of Defense, they're going to have a
lot of superfluous or unnecessary spending. They're going to have to look at
what the actual threat is," Messing said.

The report is being sent to Bush, incoming members of Congress and defense
officials. The foundation's analysis lists countries where turmoil has
disrupted economies, politics or security.

Its count of 68 conflicts contrasts with the 31 counted by the Central
Intelligence Agency this year. But CIA spokesman Mark Mansfield said the CIA
list, which is classified, includes only conflicts with "high levels of
organized violence between states or between contending groups within a
state or with high levels of political or societal tension likely to erupt
into violence."

The Washington-based Center for Defense Information, a more liberal research
group that has issued reports skeptical of increased military spending,
using different criteria, counted 39 wars at the beginning of the year, up
from 37 in 1999.

The center's chief researcher, Ret. Army Col. Daniel Smith, said he counts
major conflicts -- or active wars -- where at least 1,000 casualties have
occurred, except in the case of Spain's Basque separatist movement, which
was under that level but is included since it represented a resurgence of
violence after more than a year of truce.

The report cites Afghanistan as the "most dangerous" nation in conflict not
only because of civil war there, but also because its ruling Taliban
allegedly sponsors terrorists and insurgents elsewhere, such as in China,
Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Chechnya.

Fifteen countries were added to the list this year, and 12 were removed.

Among the additions, civil unrest contributed to violence in Albania, Ivory
Coast, Tanzania and Liberia; terrorism was part of the problem in Spain and
Laos; drugs figured in the conflicts in Albania, Bolivia, El Salvador,
Kazakstan, Laos and elsewhere.

Among places removed from the list was the Korean peninsula, where warming
relations between the Communist North and democratic South meant fewer
incursions and provocations.

The report also said there was less violence in Armenia, less terrorist
activity in Greece and less civil unrest in Kenya. Civil order in Niger
improved after the restoration of democracy, and violence decreased in Congo
because of the peace accord, it said.

The report said the bipolar Cold War model has disintegrated into a system
in which randomized conflicts pop up in all corners of an interdependent
world.

Messing said the larger developed nations of the world, including the United
States, have not developed sufficient plans for dealing with these
low-intensity conflicts that are growing at an "alarming rate."

"As a superpower we have to be prepared for thwarting nuclear war ...
prepared to jump in and save oil wells in the Middle East ... prepared to
address the small wars that grow at a quantum rate," Messing 

Re: [CTRL] CLuM Dualism (Solstice marked by sacrifice)

[Eagle 1]

-Caveat Lector-

LOL Johannes...

You write swelling words that you will answer for some day.

You can step on anything and everything but a true Christian.  It is people
like you who aimlessly swing swords, beheading Christians,  yet you whine
about the God of the Bible who you claim murders babies...
You poor, Biblically illiterate soul.
May the Father in heaven have mercy.

eagle 1


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From: "Johannes Schmidt III" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 2:53 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] CLuM Dualism (Solstice marked by sacrifice)


 -Caveat Lector-

 Kansan is obviously a disciple of the 'fightin Jesus, of the One True True
Religion.

 Is the One True God the Angry God of the Old Testament, who destroys
babies, women, races? Is he the God of the New Testament (the pepsi lite
God)? Is he the New Age God of theological illiterates? Is he the
all-forgiving God of the Roman Catholics? The financially needy God of the
televangelists? The All-Seeing God of the worried small children? The space
God JHVH-1, sent from another star to destroy the Earth? Is he the God who
whispers to all the schitzophrenics? Who knows? Who cares? Just forget about
God the same way you should forget about Jesus. The New Millennia will be
the new age of Atheism, Pantheism, anything but Christianity!




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Re: [CTRL] Deke Bones

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Kris,
It's all a matter of what you believe...

I believe that Al Gore is a thumb-sucking spoiled little baby brat that
always got his way,  until this election.

Mumble and complain as you will about Dubya...  he hasn't even been sworn in
and you have already condemned him to the chopping block.

I imagine that you will be surprised at his performance in the White House,
though you will NEVER admit it at the end of four years,  or perhaps
eight...  (whoever thought we'd have four years of Clinton, muchless
eight???)  And I figure that you won't much like what Dubya does,   but I
will lay wager that he won't embarrass the country with sex scandal, murder,
and abusive drug habits... while in office.

eagle 1

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 7:48 AM
Subject: [CTRL] Deke Bones


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 Deke Bones

 Well, now ain't we all having fun, now. We just went through a farce of an
 election and now have the idiot son as our president-select.  This
effrontery
 to our republic has been brought to us by the same group of folks who
killed
 Kennedy and have been involved in many of the major scandals of the last
 forty years. Actually parts of this group have been very close to levers
of
 our executive branch since some of them stole a Presidential election over
 100 years ago.

 You see, Rutherford B. Hayes, a Republican, who stole (historians do not
 quibble over this fact) the election of 1878 from Democrat Samuel Tilden,
the
 popular vote-winner, was a member of the "oldest international secret
 fraternity of New England origin" DKE (Delta Kappa Epsilon). DKE is the
only
 international fraternity that traces its roots to Yale. It was begun by
 fifteen students as a Junior Class society in 1844.  At Yale it has been a
 recruiting ground for the German -related Senior Class secret society,
Skull
 and Bones, which has been recruiting 15 students a year since 1832.

 Skull  Bones founder Alphonso Taft served as Attorney General in the
Grant
 administration and helped to shape the electoral commission of 1877 which
 papered over the theft.  Bonesmen Morrison R Waite who was Chief Justice
of
 the US Supreme Court and Senator Wilhelm Evan Evarts, whom served has
Hayes's
 Secretary of State helped to influence the commission outcome. There were
 many other fraternal brothers, DKE's and Bonesmen helping to shape the
 eventual outcome. An agreement whereby the Southern Democrats didn't
 "contest" the election for insurances of the end of Reconstruction,
removal
 of Federal troops and the subsequent disenfranchisement of Negro citizens.

 As history has passed into today the influences of these two related
 fraternal organizations are stark in their powerful influences upon
decisions
 effecting the course of our republic and the US conduct in world affairs.
 They have been involved in narcotics smuggling and the helped to foster a
 failed drugwar for economic, social and political control, for one.  And
 through members such as Theodore Roosevelt, William H. Taft, Col. H
Stimson,
 Averill Harriman, Prescott Bush and others these secret fraternities have
had
 major long-time influence and control.

 Kennedy murder cover-up Warren Commission member, and pardoner of "Trick
 Dick" Nixon, DKE Gerald Ford is also an active member of this select
secret
 group. Do we need to mention that George HW "Poppy" Bush is a member of
both
 secret clubs, whilst his esteemed, "where did he come from" vice-president
 Dan Quayle was just a "Deke."

 And now again, our republic is burdened with an illegitimate DKE and Skull

 Bones President, George W. Bush.  The psychological damage to our
 participatory republic is I am sure calculated. The "elite deviants" have
 stole the election in broad daylight, through hypocrisy, thuggery and
 chicanery. And have put the idiot son in as President of this nation and
 there ain't nothing that us poor hoi polloi can do about it.

 We shall see.

 Om
 Kris Millegan


 What do you do with the defective slaves?


 What do you do with the defective slaves?
 Do you set them aside?
 Do you boil them in oil?
 Do you deceive them,
 As, you bleed them,
 All the while?

 What do you do with the defective slaves?
 Do you get them to fight one another?
 You know,
 To save you the bother?

 Now, you lose,
 By the way,
 Everytime;
 But the play is the game,
 And it ain't always the same.
 And isn't being a player,
 Better than,
 Being the game?

 What do you do with the defective slaves?
 Effectively, cajoling away,
 Away down the river,
 Away till the time,
 A will and a way,
 For the defective slaves.


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Re: [CTRL] Wars rage in more than a third of nations

[Aleisha Saba]

-Caveat Lector-

We must be prepared to "jump in and save oil wells".at last a great
truth is spoken; however, those arabs have those oil fields mined and
wired and ready to blow, if Israelies or anyone else would attempt to
move in and take over.

We are going into a new Solar Age - even some toys now are powered by
solar energy, as well as calculators and a few automobiles about which
you read from time to time - houses with solar energy, etc.

Knock the oil companies all you want, but they have helped to keep our
cars and transportation going and have kept our homes war in the
winter..

You would think someone would find a way to recycle energy or do we all
get windmill?

Can energy be recycled?  Why not - but then it is something to think
about.electric eels - do they recycle their energy?   What keeps
them so charged up all the time and they make thir own energy?

A horse runs on staw and oats..and corn oil is as powerful as a
teaspoon of wheat.

At least that is what I think - and Joshua2, can do without your
comments - did you get your box of coal under your tree this year?

Saba

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[CTRL] ROYAL LATHER at Scotlands Black Hole of Calcutta

[Ole Gerstrøm]

  
   
  
  ROYAL LATHER at Scotlands Black Hole of Calcutta 
  by Andrew Hennessey 
  Wed Nov 22, 2000 The beginning of the Millenium 
  in the UK was marked by the rugby football contest for the serpent covered 
  calcutta cup at Murrayfield stadium, edinburgh, scotland. symbol of the Empire 
  and the days of the Raj.England - massive, and easily the favourites 
  were supposed to exterminate the weak scottish opposition, and Princess Anne 
  of the House of Windsor was there to personally oversee a crushing defeat of 
  the upstart scots.The Scots won that game with a bloody and memorable 
  victory over the lumbering titans of england - and the red haired aryan 
  scottish captain was asked to come up to meet HRH princess anne to receive the 
  victors trophy.The Scottish Captain, his throat red with blood running 
  from his mouth and nose, red haired and intoxicating aryan that he was shook 
  the Princesses hand - and to our unbelievable surprise, the Princesses eyes 
  went all black - with no whites, and her upper and lower jaw started to 
  protrude as if she was wearing half coconuts - her skull grew reptoid in shape 
  as the exciting smell of juicy red starfire alive with life essences triggered 
  her to shift. The scottish captain then lifted the serpent covered 
  symbol of english supremacy, held it aloft and headed straight downstairs to 
  the waiting TV camera - where he proceeded to judder and shiver in shock, his 
  teeth chattering as he felt weak at the knees. The short TV interview left the 
  guy to stagger off completely drained of vitality. The English team 
  however could not come to the podium to face the wrath of the windsors - an 
  incredible demonstration of angst and fear. A bad start to the third 
  millenium for the House of Windsorandrew hennessey 
  
  
  
  
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  Icke, www.davidicke.com and/or the editors and publishers may or may not agree 
  with the assumptions, the articles, or the conclusions of the authors. Each 
  article is presented to give everyone every possible source to TRUTH 
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Re: [CTRL] CLuM Dualism (Solstice marked by sacrifice)

[Kelly]

-Caveat Lector-

Vera Harper wrote:

 Johannes, forgive my tongue, but you are an inane bumbling idiot. No man should ever 
pretend to know anything about nothing and then think he is smart. I cannot imagine 
anyone being so illiterate about God and in the same breath pretend to know all about 
Him. Your senseless  statements prove just how dull-witted you are. And life will 
never go on without Jesus' Truth and you should be glad for that. It gives you that 
much more time to realize the error of your ways. Forget about Jesus? Yeah right. He 
is the only lifeline we have to a better future and the only way you will reach real 
happiness in life. Forsake your pitiful god, self, and embrace the real.

Wow!  After reading seven emails from Vera Harpur I finally saw the
light!  Someone has taken over the CTRL list and renamed it the "Jesus
Saves List"!

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Re: [CTRL] Japan to develop advanced military aircraft

[Aleisha Saba]

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I have a picture of a pilot of WWIIMajor Frank Webb, getting out of
his "fighter" plane - which has 9 Rising Sun embems by cock;pit..he
was an ace whom my sister dated several times

When I read of Japan going into the manufacturing of planes, I thought
of Major Webb.he downed 9 planes, and I presume Japan made these
planes?

So today we virtually gave, this CFR and NWO the making of automobiles
to the Japanese - the English are a little more outspoken about Japanese
money coming in.what Japan could not get in WWII we have virtually
gven to them in peace times - like the Philippine Islands - have
pictures of little pygmies with my relataves outside little thatched
huts - this one had been made honorary Colonel for killing most Japanese
-by poison dartsthe Japanese were hated and they brutalized thise
people but these little poisoned darts helped the Americans..the
atrocities the Japanese commited - I saw one navy nurse whose arms were
cut off, tongue cut out and she was pregnat - Japanese Warriors did
this.]

So remember the Pearl of Great Price and remember the Japanese Code and
the land of the Rising Sun..the Germans, hey will not let forget -
but the Japanese - look what the USA has done - they have virtually
taken over the steel - cheap steel but is some of this steel
inferiorso many nuts and bolts in planes.

Kamakaze pilots - remember them?  Then remember USS Cole and find out if
these people were on hash or what type of hypnotic drug.for we are
already into WWIII and do not know it.

Our constitution demands we DEFEND our people and shores.it does not
demand we policethe world as mercenaries killing people who have done us
no harm.

Gone with he wind = let us hope the likes of a Clinton, a Janet Reno, or
an Albright - baby butchers and assassins - do not darken our shores for
a long, long time.

FEEDING children with crumbs from their tables is not the American way,
but first, Charity begins at homeand we do not need anymore
bastards praying on street corners for actions speak louder than
prayers.

Think Bush should be given a chance but I keep him to his promise that
no US Soldier will wear UN Uniform.but first we have to move the UN
to South Africa where they are needed he most..think little Shirley
Temple, member of CFR would like the weather down there and she would be
back to playing another role - dodge he Zulus.

Saba

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Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Environmental warfare, Chossudovsky

[Aleisha Saba]

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Amelia - Weather Program has been classified since 1965 - you will only
find one book, The Weather Changers, that gives you idea what they are
to do and it was published before being made classified.

In the 50 period it was taking hold..in Viet Name, and this was
printed in the Columbus Dispatch - the monsoons were brought on 5 or 6
months early so already using weather as a weapon.

You find weather mod in a sense in the bible - those that sew the clouds
will reap the whirlwind..this can be interpretted two ways but the
deeper meaning is this spin when weather mod in full force.

Our radar system was hooked up to this program someway..in 1986 and
87 I got into this stuff, and when very young in room with high miltary
people (the last commodore was there - wonderful old
man)..discussion about this program then - was called weather
"control" and then changed to modification.

It is my understanding that now the War Department has complete control
over this program..note:   Father Bush tried to tell Americans that
this green house theory was a bunch of crap without letting loose with a
secretthis weather control program aka modification - in Chinese
papers you read of it all the time - and in USA lots of lawsuits have
been filed.

Over 100 years ago they seeded clouds but this stuff began becaue they
wanted to save Florida from hurricanes, supposedlythe great
experiment - secret to Bermuda Triangle.

Some of his is what I think, rest is what I know for in 1987 I wrote
letter to Editor on this which was published, surrunded by green house
stuffand a man, a physicist from Battele and others, called to ask
where I got my information.

The one man said hey, if your are going to get involved in this (he gave
me great understanding) - he said at least, use the proper term (and
then I knew I was in deep water) for the proper term is Weather
Modification, not Weather Control anymore.

But at the least someone who knew listenedNorm Olsen and JJ Johnson
also appeared befre Harold Thompson some years later to do with Oklahoma
or something, and at the end of their appearance the Senator promised to
look into weather modificiation program, for in Montana the Montana
Militia was checking this stuff out.

But oh so secret - if a plain average citizen uch as my self can get
onto this stuff - for when you have roses blooming in two feet of snow,
in November, and thunder and lightning and great balls o fire hitting
your evergreens and then the tempratuare in the following summer hitting
105 degrees.well I thought there was grounds for some research and
my memory going b ack to the 50 period when I as very young - well you
would be surprised what one hears at a garden party - loose lips do sink
ships...even the corn had ears.

Saba (Who can think for herself and has terrific imagination and stil
has hig IQ Joshua2

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Re: [CTRL] William Graham Sumner SB 1863 US Political Thought, Lecture 12

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Kris Milligan writes in part:
Sumner's position is more consistent than those who strongly opposed social
welfare and industrial regulation but who made enormous exceptions when it
came to subsidies and benefits for industry. Under the rubric of "jobbery,"
Sumner condemns "any scheme which aims to gain, not by the legitimate fruits
of industry and enterprise, but by extorting from somebody a part of his
product under guise of some pretended industrial undertaking" (354). He had
in mind state development projects--buildings, internal improvements,
investment credits, etc., along with the "greatest" bit of jobbery of all,
the protective tariff (354).

This is the crux of the failure of many so called "capitalists." They are essentially
anti libertarian and anti free market. They give false praise to "economic freedom"
but in reality seek to use the power of Government to distort the system and
co-opt government's taxation and police powers to further their own mercenary
ends.

These pirates do not reflect true economic freedom or libertarianism.
They are the anti thesis of both.
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Re: [CTRL] Deke Bones

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Re: [CTRL] Six Gulf nations sign defense pact, first for region

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High on a mountai in Saudi Arabia is a BMEWS system and USA is a reason
for its existancebelieve same mountain where Moses broke the
commandments - later figuratively and literally - missiles ready to
retaliate and one could see why Israel could be a little
concerned...one could also see why Osama bin Laden wants to restore
the real heir to throne to Saudis.

Balance of power - we see what happens when the Palestinians take on
Israelie Uzis with sticks and stonesand now terrorist - who are
these people anyway who work towards war.this hidden element that
wants the arabs and jews to self destruct - this way they move in, they
think  to take over the il fields.

Who is the enemy?   Still looks like Zionists to me and that is what a
former King of Saudi Arabia concluded - who was then murdered within a
year, by a black from Berkley - Black Nationalist/Moslem.what a
joke.

People want to worship a lot of rocks - prefer Plymouth Rock to Holy
Rock.

For this was the Rock upon which our great nation was formed.

Huzzah.

Saba

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Re: [CTRL] CLuM Dualism ( reply from J2 )

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Johannes Schmidt III wrote:

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 Kansan is obviously a disciple of the 'fightin Jesus, of the One True True Religion.

 Is the One True God the Angry God of the Old Testament, who destroys babies, women, 
races? Is he the God of the New Testament (the pepsi lite God)? Is he the New Age God 
of theological illiterates? Is he the all-forgiving God of the Roman Catholics? The 
financially needy God of the televangelists? The All-Seeing God of the worried small 
children? The space God JHVH-1, sent from another star to destroy the Earth? Is he 
the God who whispers to all the schitzophrenics? Who knows? Who cares? Just forget 
about God the same way you should forget about Jesus. The New Millennia will be the 
new age of Atheism,

Unfortunately, this will never happen. I am an atheist, and nothing would make me
happier than seeing humanity finally come to its senses and let go of it's
addiction
to superstitious drivel. But it will not happen. People are cowards. They refuse
to
acknowledge the reality and permanence of death even in the face of the scientific
advances made in the last few centuries.

 Pantheism, anything but Christianity!

This is more likely to happen. It appears that Judaism, and particularly
Christianity, are on their way out. Not exactly for the same reasons though.

Christianity as a world view is crumbling. With education available to more
people, basic Christian dogma is harder to contain in the same brain where
science also resides. Virgin births and walking on water just don't jibe with
a population who understand biology, and physics.

There are places though, where Christianity is spreading. South America, parts
of Asia, and Africa. Places where education is not widespread.

What is happening in the West, is that people are leaving the old well defined
religions for the new vague, fuzzy, squishy, New Age types of " spiritualism "
which allows them the leeway to believe in superstitious drivel without having
to deal with the old defunct paradigms.

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[CTRL] Legal Scholars Say Government Regs. Led to Boston Shootings

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Subject: Legal Scholars Say Government Regs. Led to Boston Shootings
Date: Friday, December 29, 2000 5:33 AM

http://www.sierratimes.com/arvc122900.htm

Legal Scholars Say Government Regs. Led to Boston Shootings
By Sierra Times - Posted: 12.29.00
Government’s Warrantless Search  Attempted Warrantless Seizure Leads to Shooting 
Rampage; Boston Again the Scene of Tax Revolt; Legal Scholar Says Government Evasion 
of Constitutional Requirements for Tax Searches and Seizures Led to Killings

Reports indicate an employee of a Boston Internet consulting firm shot and killed 
seven co-workers who apparently participated in plans to honor warrantless government 
searches for and seizures of the employee’s earnings, accrued and future.

The law, constitutional and statutory, requires a Fourth Amendment warrant, executive 
or judicial, for tax searches and seizures, but the IRS has routinely operated without 
them, provoking an outcry, producing litigation, and fomenting office stress that has 
now resulted in violence. "Without a valid warrant, no legally valid proof of a tax 
debt exists," said Virginia L. Cropsey, J.D., a graduate of Wayne State University 
School of Law and the University of Michigan, and author of an Internet newsletter and 
new website that expose the legal insufficiency of IRS notices of levy.

"The Fourth Amendment accords protection to a person’s "effects," Cropsey says, "and 
that includes a person’s accounts receivable." The Fourth Amendment was inspired by 
the 1761 speech in Boston against the writs of assistance by James Otis, an attorney 
engaged by the merchants of Boston. British issuance of the writs of assistance, which 
are similar to the current IRS "process" led to the Revolutionary War. A young John 
Adams, later second President of the United States, heard the Otis speech and was 
inspired to draft a provision, Article XIV, for the 1780 Massachusetts Declaration of 
Rights, which later became the basic language for the Fourth Amendment, Cropsey says. 
At the time of the construction of the Bill of Rights, Richard Henry Lee, Senator from 
Virginia, and an ancestor of Robert E. Lee, saw to it the word "effects" rather than 
"possessions" was used in the Fourth Amendment, so that accounts receivable, which 
would include the apparent shooter, Michael McDermott’s!
  earnings, have Fourth Amendment protection.

This means, and the 4th and 5th Amendment pre-judgment seizure case law shows, that a 
warrant is required, according to Cropsey. Additionally, wages are special property 
for purposes of pre-judgment seizure under the Supreme Court decision in Sniadach v. 
Family Finance Corp. You can’t seize property for taxes in this country pre-judgment 
without a sworn statement, says Cropsey. "Certainly the government should have to 
swear the debt is owed and demonstrate probable cause for these searches and seizures. 
The IRS has no business writing your employer about you and interfering with your 
employment relations without proper authorization."


Recently Cropsey showed that the Fourth Amendment’s "no warrants" clause was intended 
by the Framers to require at a minimum, an executive branch warrant for tax seizures. 
“I call it ‘all about adjectives,’” said Cropsey. “I read the case law more carefully 
than most attorneys, and noted that the Supreme Court said in its 1977 opinion in GM 
Leasing that a judicial warrant was necessary for entry into private premises for tax 
seizures. I knew from the plain language of the Fourth Amendment, and from research I 
did on the 1762 case of Entick v. Carrington  Three Other King’s Messengers, a 
British sedition case, and from other research, that at least an executive branch 
warrant was necessary for other tax seizures. I’m a bit like the kid in “6th Sense” – 
I don’t see dead people, but I see something the others didn’t due to my careful 
reading of the Fourth Amendment’s 'no warrants' clause – I see executive branch 
warrants."

These executive branch warrants were held to be required for federal tax seizures. 
Pre-1954 case law exposed in a 1998 opinion in Williams v. Boulder Dam Credit Union by 
Clark County Nevada Magistrate Victor Miller held the executive branch warrant is 
required, Cropsey says. Cases concerning the issue of the warrant requirement are just 
beginning to make their way through the courts, she says. In order to avoid a Fourth 
Amendment test, the government does not cross the line and technically seize the 
property; it has not been using the language obfuscated case law says is required for 
seizure – "is seized and levied upon," according to Cropsey, who says she spent over 
1000 hours researching the issue and who has 

Re: [CTRL] FW: oops

[Nurev Ind Research]

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Cliff Hume wrote:

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 Nessie:

 Colin Powell is well placed. He is a member of the subversive Council on
 Foreign Relations. That is why bush appointed him There is already over 300
 of these subversives in the present administration.

 Cliff.

Cliff - How do you know this? Where can I find this info? Who are the 300?

Joshua2

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[CTRL] [Fwd: Gore's Lead in the Popular Vote Now Exceeds 500,000]

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Subject: Gore's Lead in the Popular Vote Now Exceeds 500,000
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 23:56:29 -0600 (CST)
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December 30, 2000
THE FINAL TALLY
Gore's Lead in the Popular Vote Now Exceeds 500,000
By DAVID STOUT

WASHINGTON, Dec. 29 — Vice President Al Gore's nationwide lead in the
popular vote has grown by about 200,000, to more than half a million, since
Dec. 18, when the Electoral College sealed his fate and made Gov. George W.
Bush the 43rd president of the United States.

A state-by-state survey by The Associated Press of the final certified
results put Mr. Gore's popular vote edge at 539,947, up considerably from
the lead of about 337,000 that was widely reported in the first several
weeks after the election. The totals were 50,996,116 for Mr. Gore and
50,456,169 for Mr. Bush.

Much of the increase came in California, New York, and other, smaller
states that went for Mr. Gore, said Curtis B. Gans of the Committee for the
Study of the American Electorate, a nonpartisan research group that has
followed presidential elections for a quarter-century.

Election officials in California and New York said today that the bigger
numbers for Mr. Gore were not hard to explain. Mr. Gore carried both states
easily. Both had large numbers of absentee ballots, which could not be
counted immediately, and, because absentee votes generally do not vary
sharply from election night returns, it was predictable that the absentees
would widen the vice president's lead.

Mr. Gans said that in 1996, President Clinton's lead over Bob Dole grew by
some 200,000 votes from election night until all absentee ballots were
counted and all the votes certified, a fact all but forgotten except by
political trivia buffs.

"But it didn't matter," Mr. Gans said, in a race that the incumbent won by
more than eight million popular votes and by a 379-to-159 advantage in the
Electoral College.

In the 1960 election John F. Kennedy had the electoral vote edge and a
114,673-vote margin in the popular vote over Richard M. Nixon. A total of
68.8 million votes were cast for president. Eight years later Mr. Nixon won
the Electoral College and a popular vote margin of 510,645 out of 73.2
million votes cast for president.

The 2000 election, of course, will be remembered as the first in 112 years
in which the leader in the popular vote lost the White House because his
opponent prevailed in the Electoral College.

Mr. Bush got 271 electoral votes, one more than he needed for a majority
and five more than Mr. Gore, who lost one vote in the Electoral College
when a Washington, D.C., elector left her ballot blank to protest the
District of Columbia's lack of voting power in Congress.

Mr. Gore won New York State, 4,107,697 to 2,403,374, or by some 1.7 million
votes. Lee Daghlian, the chief spokesman for the state's Board of
Elections, said today that about 360,000 absentee ballots were requested,
and that about 260,000 were returned in time to be counted. In New York,
absentee ballots must be postmarked no later than the day before the
election and received no later than a week after the election.

Mr. Daghlian said absentee balloting was about 20 percent higher this year
than in 1996. He speculated that the presence of Senator Joseph I.
Lieberman of Connecticut on the Democratic ticket might have caused more
American Jews to mail ballots from Israel.

It was clear on election night that Mr. Gore had carried California in a
landslide, so it was expected that the nearly 1.5 million absentee ballots
that arrived in time to be accepted would sharply augment his victory — and
they did.

The final certified totals in California were 5,861,203 for Mr. Gore and
4,567,429 for Mr. Bush. Alfie Charles, a spokesman for the California
secretary of state, Bill Jones, said that the percentage of Californians
voting by absentee ballot had been increasing, and that about one-quarter
now did. (Californians can vote absentee without showing a compelling
reason. Their ballots must arrive by Election Day to be counted.)

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Re: [CTRL] MOVE (was: All the Militia News)

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I was not aware any babies were involved in this incendiary bombing.
The entire neighborhood burned rather slowly by WACO standards so people
should have been able to evacuate.  Can you (or anyone) give death toll
figures including how many were children?

Eleven people died, including five children. All were in the house that
was bombed. The neighborhood was evacuated. The neighbors didn't die,
but they did lose their homes and everything they owned.


But now because a person is discussing one particular incident does not
mean they care nothing about all other wrongs.  It is just easier to
discuss one thing at a time.


I don't buy it. The right ignores MOVE for the exactly same reason the
left ignores Waco and Ruby Ridge. They are narrow minded bigots who only
care when it's their ox that's getting gored. As long as the powers that
be can keep us divided like this they can slaughter our children at will
and herd the rest of us like livestock.

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[CTRL] Fwd: Rare winter fire scorches Alaska tundra

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 Rare winter fire scorches Alaska tundra

 By DAN JOLING
 The Associated Press
 12/30/00 9:12 PM


 ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) -- Diminished winds and high
 humidity Saturday slowed
 the spread of a rare 15,000-acre fire on frozen
 tundra near the village of
 Kotlik in southwest Alaska's Yukon Delta National
 Wildlife Refuge.

 Alaska's wildfire season is usually over by
 December.

 "I haven't heard of anything like it," said Andy
 Williams, spokesman for the
 Alaska Interagency Coordination Center.

 Larry Vanderlinden, fire management coordinator for
 the U.S. Fish and
 Wildlife Service, said fire crews would be brought
 in only if residents or
 structures were threatened by the blaze, which was
 first spotted Wednesday.
 Two major rivers and some smaller streams and lakes
 stand between the
 village and the fire.

 The cause of the fire is under investigation, but
 Vanderlinden said it may
 have been caused by a snowmobile backfiring.

 Although there is little snow in the region, tides
 raise the levels of major
 rivers and flood mud flats, which freeze, leaving
 paths used by snowmobiles,
 Vanderlinden said. The refuge is almost treeless,
 consisting mostly of vast
 tracts of wetlands that are among the most
 significant waterfowl breeding
 areas in North America.

 The refuge covers 19.6 million acres and provides
 habitat for more than
 750,000 swans and geese, 2 million ducks, and 100
 million shore and water
 birds, according to the Fish and Wildlife Service.
 Moose, caribou, grizzly
 bear, black bear, and wolves inhabit the northern
 hills and eastern
 mountains of the refuge.


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[CTRL] Fwd: Search the King James Bible

[Aleisha Saba]

Gideon means Judge - and it was said in Judges that he stood every man
in his place.


So Gideons must be a military front organization, this bible toting
company - once known as Christian Commercial Travelers - traveled in
pairs, and sound like the Mafia.

So Gideon and his three hundred - and from his prey he took the golden
earrings for they were Ishmaelites..one story claims from these
earrings he made the mercy seat.   Solid gold.

So Gideon and his 300 took the gold but turned down the crown, Gideon
did, but one thinks of John D. Rockefeller and his weekly bible reading
sessions.one remembers how the labor unions and the big business
boys fought it out using the bible as justification for their cause -
BREAD not roses was the call.

Pinkertons sent in as strike breakers.the Molly McGuires hanged -
all wearing red rosesPinkertons founded the first Sercret Service in
this country - and one still wonders who really did in Lincoln.

Well once they built a railroad - but never saw any of them begging for
a dime yet.

The unions have been "busted"..are all in the same boat now with CFR
- oh so impressed with this oh so social group.

Anybody can join their local CFR which is nothing but self glorified
Chamber of Commerce in export and import and boy the snow really flies
when some of those ships, come inso maybe I join local CFR if we
have one as they have in Chicago and Boston.

Big deal - sit with a millionaire or king, but these peons who were
admitted still go home to their lowly stable at nightoh this
freemasonry.

Saba




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Re: [CTRL] Educate-Yourself.org-The Ted Gunderson Files

[Samantha L.]

-Caveat Lector-

  Sheesh - the text I quoted was in the article YOU sent to the list.  Since
you were the SENDER of the article and its contents, your name comes up as
"from birdie4" when someone replies.  You really haven't figured that out
yet?  Yikes.

Samantha

In a message dated 12/31/00 4:09:43 AM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Also,

  You have me as quoted saying all the bottom things? I never wrote anything
 about Ted Gunderson personally.  All I did was post his
  website.  Where or who said those other things about Ted?  Was not me.
You
 made it look like me.  Please clear this up as to who it
  was as I have not come across the posting.  Might have deleted it by
 accident. But it was not me.

  Birds
  Private Mail Welcome


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  Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 1:07 PM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] Educate-Yourself.org-The Ted Gunderson Files


  -Caveat Lector-

  In a message dated 12/30/00 7:32:00 AM Central Standard Time,
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

   Ted has also made a pest of himself by trying to help blow the lid off
the
   vast CIA covert mind control operations going on in this country.
  
Most of Ted's research has centered on CIA controlled operations, so
   naturally those fine Americans (?) employed by US taxpayers at Langley,
   Virginia  would tend to be a little upset with Ted and perhaps want to
see
   him permanently retired. Maybe that's why Ted has had six attempts on his
   life. Of course, it could just be bad luck too. Most people have two or
  three
   attempted whacks on average don't they?
  
So, if  Ted won't lay down in the 'usual' manner, how does his Langley
   friends get him to shut him?

  Before making a hero out of Ted, read "The Last Circle."  It's pretty clear
  to me that Ted is on the inside.

  http://www.lycaeum.org/books/books/last_circle/

  Samantha


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[CTRL] The War on Drugs Is a War on Liberty

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The War on Drugs Is a War on Liberty
by Scott Wilkerson

William S. Burroughs, the visionary novelist and social critic,
warned that the United States government’s war on drugs was
nothing more than the pretext for establishing in our culture a vast
police apparatus that would forever supercede all our claims to
privacy and property.

Nowhere is this nightmarish scenario more visibly prescient than
in the case of actor Robert Downey Jr.

We all remember the details. The ghastly spectacle of Al Gore’s
Thanksgiving voting piracy was briefly punctuated by news of how
the police stormed into Downey’s Palm Springs hotel room on an
anonymous tip that he was inside with illegal narcotics and a gun,
two things the government would love to keep from all citizens.

Indeed, they found him with cocaine, his drug of choice, and some
other neuro-morphic delights. His mug shot was, of course,
splayed endlessly across the entertainment news, but quickly
coopted by the "important" news segments as evidence of the
increasing dissolution of Hollywood and further proof that white
males are, after all, the real problem in America.

The prosecutor from the District Attorney’s office in his case now
reports that it is very likely a deal between the "authorities"
and Downey’s defense will result in another engagement with a
rehabilitation center instead of prison. Even the system recognizes
that it is absurd to pursue non-violent drug offenders as though they
were rapists or murderers or secessionists.

Strangely, the same Hollywood Left that loves Downey’s oblique
sexuality and his campy wit, that has given him a splendid guest
starring spot on Ally McBoring, that has recognized his comic
genius with a Golden Globe nomination, and has rightly ignored the
"authorities’" hysterical demands for his head did not publicly
condemn the gratuitous invasion of his civil liberties when he was
arrested because someone made a phone call! What in the world
is going on here? Just more confusion because of loose
equivocation on the meaning of words like "laws" and "rights."

The government does seem intuitively to understand that Downey
is more useful to society than some wacked out crack-fiend robber
gangsta from South Central and, therefore, extends to him a
modicum of indulgence.

But rather than re-examine the entire construction of its narcotics
policies, the government merely renegotiates, every ninety days,
the terms of Downey’s case. And the same Hollywood, that
threatens to relocate to Europe every time a conservative dares to
utter a discouraging word about some group’s victimological drivel,
remains silent when one of its own becomes the poster boy for
Federal Usurpation of Individual Liberty because it cannot discern
whether Downey’s "right" to privacy is more or less fundamental
than the state’s "laws" against doing to your own body whatever
you like

Let us celebrate Robert Downey Jr.’s drug habit and his heroic
serial returns to the front lines of this central debate. Burroughs
correctly perceived that the government secretly resents those
liberties it presumes to protect. We are complicit in the delusion
that we are safe as long as we play it straight. But the war on
drugs is a war on the individual. And each of us is a soldier in that
battle.

December 30, 2000

Scott Wilkerson is curator of the Ward Library at the Mises
Institute.


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doubtless ONE of the high duties of a good
citizen, but it is not THE HIGHEST. The laws of
necessity, of self-preservation, of saving our
country when in danger, are of higher obligation.
To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence
to written law, would be to lose the law itself,
with life, liberty, property and all those who
are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly
sacrificing the end to the means.
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Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: Gore's Lead in the Popular Vote Now Exceeds 500,000]

[T Nohava]

Title: 



 December 30, 2000 THE FINAL TALLY Gore's 
Lead in the Popular Vote Now Exceeds 500,000 By DAVID STOUT
Oh that's simply Wonderful! Does anybody know how many more 
re-counts it would take before he has 100% of the vote?I just loved all those recounts...Al 
kept gaining and gaining and George kept losing and losing...it's really neat 
the way these re-counts work...they always go in one direction.

And Gosh...I wonder too... how much of 
that was Voter Fraud? Isn't Voter Fraud such a Wonderful Thing... and where 
would we all be today without it!
Now gang...what we need 
to do now is to figure out how we can keep the Supreme Court out of all this. I 
know we have some great clever, gifted and intellectual Minds on this list as I 
read their wisdom on a daily basis and I'm really impressed. I know one of you 
will come forward with an absolutely astonishing strategy to make Re-Counts and 
Voter Fraud a better part of our American Heritage than it already 
is.
DUH!!!

Re: [CTRL] License to Kill

[M.A. Johnson]

-Caveat Lector-

c.
  i ask you again what that 3/5s comment is alluding to.
MJ
  Nothing.  It is simply a portion of a formula for
  determining Representatives.
c.
the group of people this fraction applies to is not stated. but the
fractions (or not) relating to other groups *are* stated.
so which group of people is the fraction used for?
MJ
There is no 'faction'.
This is a formula for determining Representation of a State.

Regard$,
--MJ

You cannot teach a man anything; you can only help him
find it within himself. -- Galileo

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Re: [CTRL] License to Kill

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 The road to tyranny, we must never forget, begins
  with the destruction of the truth. -- Bill Clintot

Vera
 Is that supposed to be a joke?
MJ
My relating it?  No.
Bill's utterance?  Got me.

Vera
 Are we to understand from that statement that Bill
 Clinton wants to be a tyrant?
MJ
I certainly do not.


Vera
 How could Clinton keep a straight face while saying
 that?
MJ
Was his face straight when he stated it?


Vera
 And how could anyone repeat it and have credibility?
MJ
Easily.

Regard$,
--MJ

The important thing is to stop lying to yourself.  A man
who lies to himself, and believes his own lies, becomes
unable to recognize the truth, either in himself or in
anyone else, and he ends up losing respect for himself as
well as for others.  When he has no respect for anyone, he
can no longer love and, in order to divert himself, having
no love in him, he yields to his impulses, indulges in the
lowest forms of pleasure, and behaves in the end like an
animal, in satisfying his vices. And it all comes from
lying -- lying to others and to yourself.
  -- Feodor Mikhailovich Dostoyevsky 1880 _The Brothers Karamazov_

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Re: [CTRL] Deke Bones

[Kris Millegan]

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eagle 1,

Beliefs are for fairy tales and religions.

Do the research and refute me.

George W Bush is nothing more than a stooge for the cryptocracy. As was
Clinton.

Get you head out of your idealogical orifice and actually help our republic
instead of helping the cryptocracy tear it down.

MHO
Om
K

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Kris,

It's all a matter of what you believe...



I believe that Al Gore is a thumb-sucking spoiled little baby brat that

always got his way,  until this election.



Mumble and complain as you will about Dubya...  he hasn't even been sworn
in

and you have already condemned him to the chopping block.



I imagine that you will be surprised at his performance in the White House,

though you will NEVER admit it at the end of four years,  or perhaps

eight...  (whoever thought we'd have four years of Clinton, muchless

eight???)  And I figure that you won't much like what Dubya does,   but
I

will lay wager that he won't embarrass the country with sex scandal, murder,

and abusive drug habits... while in office.



eagle 1



- Original Message -

From: "Kris Millegan" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 7:48 AM

Subject: [CTRL] Deke Bones





 -Caveat Lector-



 Deke Bones



 Well, now ain't we all having fun, now. We just went through a farce
of an

 election and now have the idiot son as our president-select.  This

effrontery

 to our republic has been brought to us by the same group of folks who

killed

 Kennedy and have been involved in many of the major scandals of the last

 forty years. Actually parts of this group have been very close to levers

of

 our executive branch since some of them stole a Presidential election
over

 100 years ago.



 You see, Rutherford B. Hayes, a Republican, who stole (historians do
not

 quibble over this fact) the election of 1878 from Democrat Samuel Tilden,

the

 popular vote-winner, was a member of the "oldest international secret

 fraternity of New England origin" DKE (Delta Kappa Epsilon). DKE is the

only

 international fraternity that traces its roots to Yale. It was begun
by

 fifteen students as a Junior Class society in 1844.  At Yale it has been
a

 recruiting ground for the German -related Senior Class secret society,

Skull

 and Bones, which has been recruiting 15 students a year since 1832.



 Skull  Bones founder Alphonso Taft served as Attorney General in the

Grant

 administration and helped to shape the electoral commission of 1877 which

 papered over the theft.  Bonesmen Morrison R Waite who was Chief Justice

of

 the US Supreme Court and Senator Wilhelm Evan Evarts, whom served has

Hayes's

 Secretary of State helped to influence the commission outcome. There
were

 many other fraternal brothers, DKE's and Bonesmen helping to shape the

 eventual outcome. An agreement whereby the Southern Democrats didn't

 "contest" the election for insurances of the end of Reconstruction,

removal

 of Federal troops and the subsequent disenfranchisement of Negro citizens.



 As history has passed into today the influences of these two related

 fraternal organizations are stark in their powerful influences upon

decisions

 effecting the course of our republic and the US conduct in world affairs.

 They have been involved in narcotics smuggling and the helped to foster
a

 failed drugwar for economic, social and political control, for one.
And

 through members such as Theodore Roosevelt, William H. Taft, Col. H

Stimson,

 Averill Harriman, Prescott Bush and others these secret fraternities
have

had

 major long-time influence and control.



 Kennedy murder cover-up Warren Commission member, and pardoner of "Trick

 Dick" Nixon, DKE Gerald Ford is also an active member of this select

secret

 group. Do we need to mention that George HW "Poppy" Bush is a member
of

both

 secret clubs, whilst his esteemed, "where did he come from" vice-president

 Dan Quayle was just a "Deke."



 And now again, our republic is burdened with an illegitimate DKE and
Skull



 Bones President, George W. Bush.  The psychological damage to our

 participatory republic is I am sure calculated. The "elite deviants"
have

 stole the election in broad daylight, through hypocrisy, thuggery and

 chicanery. And have put the idiot son in as President of this nation
and

 there ain't nothing that us poor hoi polloi can do about it.



 We shall see.



 Om

 Kris Millegan





 What do you do with the defective slaves?





 What do you do with the defective slaves?

 Do you set them aside?

 Do you boil them in oil?

 Do you deceive them,

 As, you bleed them,

 All the while?



 What do you do with the defective slaves?

 Do you get them to fight one another?

 You know,

 To save you the bother?



 Now, you lose,

 By the way,

 Everytime;

 But the play is the game,

 And it ain't always the same.

 And isn't being a 

[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Is it Fair to Call GW Bush a Dictator?

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Is it Fair to Call GW Bush a Dictator?

When confronted with the evidence of a stolen election, the
Bush families historic suport of Nazism and the CIA,
pharmacutical, oil and military-industrial background of his
cabinet appointees supporters of GW Bush often respond by
saying he was elected by half the voters and cannot therefore
be called a dictator.  Here's the NY Times frontpage article
from the day after Hitler was "elected" by 89% of the German
electorate.  The same corporate agenda and in many cases the
exact same corporations that put Hitler in power put GW in
power. History is repeating itself for those willing to see
it-Robert Lederman

NY Times 8/19/1934
Hitler Endorsed by 9 to 1 in Poll on his Dictatorship, but
Opposition Is Doubled

Absolute Power Is Won

38,279,514 Vote Yes, 4,287,808 No on Uniting Offices

871,056 Ballots Spoiled

Berlin, Monday, Aug. 20 -- Eighty-nine and nine-tenths per
cent of the German voters endorsed in yesterday's plebiscite
Chancellor Hitler's assumption of greater power than has ever
been possessed by any other ruler in modern times. Nearly 10
per cent indicated their disapproval. The result was expected.

The German people were asked to vote whether they approved
the consolidation of the offices of President and Chancellor in a
single Leader-Chancellor personified by Adolf Hitler. By every
appeal known to skillful politicians and with every argument to
the contrary suppressed, they were asked to make their
approval unanimous.

Nevertheless 10 per cent of the voters have admittedly braved
possible consequences by answering "No" and nearly [text
unreadable] made their answers, ineffective by spoiling the
simplest of ballots. There was a plain short question and two
circles, one labeled "Yes" and the other "No," in one of which
the voter had to make a cross. Yet there were nearly 1,000,000
spoiled ballots.

38,279,514 Vote "Yes."

The results given out by the Propaganda Ministry early this
morning show that out of a total vote of 43,438,378, cast by a
possible voting population of more than 45,000,000, there were
38,279,514 who answered "Yes," 4,287,808 who answered
"No" and there were 871,056 defective ballots. Thus there is an
affirmative vote of almost 90 per cent of the valid votes and a
negative vote of nearly 10 per cent exclusive of the spoiled
ballots which may or may not have been deliberately rendered
defective.

How Chancellor Hitler's vote declined is shown by a
comparison with the result of the Nov. 12 plebiscite on leaving
the Disarmament Conference and the League of Nations.

These results therefore show that the number of Germans
discontented with Chancellor Hitler's course is increasing but is
not yet seriously damaging to it. He is the Fuehrer [leader] of
the Reich with absolute power by the vote of almost 90 per
cent of the Germans in it but the number of dissidents has
doubled since the last test.

It is not yet a matter for international concern but there are
other considerations which may be.

Dictatorship Now Complete

The endorsement gives Chancellor Hitler, who four years ago
was not even a German citizen, dictatorial powers unequaled in
any other country, and probably unequaled in history since the
days of Genghis Khan. He has more power than Joseph Stalin
in Russia, who has a party machine to reckon with; more power
than Premier Mussolini of Italy who shares his prerogative
with the titular ruler; more than any American President ever
dreamed of.

No other ruler has so widespread power nor so obedient and
compliant subordinates. The question that interests the outside
world now is what Chancellor Hitler will do with such
unprecedented authority.

Nazi opinion is not disposed to be altogether cheerful about the
result. When one high official was asked by this correspondent
to comment on it he said:

"Obviously we feel the effects of June 30."

He referred to the execution of Ernst Roehm and other Storm
Troops chiefs.

That is also the opinion of many other Germans, especially
among the more substantial classes. They interpret the result as
the beginning of a protest against the rule of arbitrary will and
as an effort to force Chancellor Hitler back to the 

[CTRL] HAPPY NEW YEAR!

[Mrs. Jela Jovanovic]

Title: ÷ÉÎØÅÔËÁ





  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Dear friends and collegues,
  
  Iwish you the best for this comming new year and 
  century.
  Let all your activities and plans be a success!
  
  HAPPY NEW YEAR!
  
  Best wishes,
  Jela Jovanovic
  
  
  

[CTRL] MEDIA INSPIRED RIOTS and ORDO AB CHAO

[Kindred Spirit]

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Subject: MEDIA INSPIRED RIOTS and ORDO AB CHAO


The Ultra-Liberal Media is constantly putting Jesse
Jackson up on TV today
leaving the message that an evil U.S. Supreme Court
has ruled against Al
Gore -for the Presidency-and thus we -the blacks -are
going to riot in the
streets because of it.

Now I want the Conservative Church  Groups to try to
make that very same
type of statement even on a private email - in the
cause of Bush for
President -and watch how long it takes for the FBI and
a SWAT Team to come
down on you !!!

They can do as they please. They can say what they
want. But you can not! If
you think you can you better go to the www.fbi.com and
click on Project
Megiddo.

Although the majority of the terrorist acts in the
past 30 years have been
perpetrated by the Ulta-Left the entire FBI Project
Megiddo is directed at
anybody that believes in the U.S. Constitution and /or
the Holy Bible.Look
at the footnotes and there are web-sites of wrote it
for them.Go to those
web-sites and you find they are humanists,
evolutionists,into witch-craft
and paganism-they say Satanism is O.K.

The Uni-Bomber- a leftist! The Japanese subway
terrorists with bio-chemo
weapons-ultra-liberals! The New Ager UFO Cult suicide
-ultra-liberals! The
incidents at Ruby Ridge, Waco, and the Oklahoma
Bombing werte
ultra-rightists. But, the Federal agenda and TV News
agenda is to push all
woes and wrongs of extreme liberalism under the rug
while expanding and
expounding upon anyone on the right.

I hope at this moment you understand who the enemy is
at large and in your
community. If this comes down to Civil War Two you
better be ready and know
how to deal against the modern equipment and
techniques . If you do not know
how you better buy the military books and equipment
while we are not under
Clintons Martial Law Quest.

If Executive Orders are declared all guns and bullets
are pulled from all
shelves immediately !!!  Hello...anybody home yet?

I would attach some addresses to mail order these
items but I think you
"may" not have time before this day is out. You should
go to a gunstore and
and buy off the shelf a couple assault rifles like
AK's or Ar-15's or
Hk-91's or FN-FAL's. Get all the clips -20 or 30
rounders- and a few hundred
rounds of ammo per weapon. In pistols get nothing
smaller than .45 ACP or
357 Magnum. Your ammo will be cheaper at Walmart or
K-mart. Stop by Army and
Navy stores and get military books ,gas masks and
chemical warfare suits.

( Certain rifles like the AR-15 and AR-10 have the
ability to snap
nite-vision off and a regular scope on in a few
seconds. Example: Armored
personnel carriers with foreign troops are patrolling
your area shooting
anybody outside at night. You are watching them with
nitevision on your
rifle. They are strobbing a rotational infras-red
laser to blind nite
vision. Take it off. Put on a reguler scope . Blow the
stobe-light. Put the
nite -vision back on. Some very expensive NV peices
have an adjuster -like a
videos high speed shutter to darken for high infrared
blinders.In other
types you can turn it down to view instead of scpoe
swapping.All kinds of
neat things to do. Buy lots of gasoline and soap
flakes-that makers
Napalm.You can take out tanks to choppers with what is
at the stores right
now!Get those books I told you about.See Cheaper Than
Dirt magazine for some
of these aids and equipment.)

You may have a week to order from
www.cheaperthandirt.com magazine .
If you are lucky! Also network with your most
like-minded freinds and
relatives. Have escape routes by vehicle , by foot-
plans -and shelters to
go to.You may want to pre-plant heating equipment,
food, medical supplies
and secondary weapons and ammo at those locations
ahead of time.

If this thing heats up anything like Jesse the Commie
Jackson is conspiring
with the media then get a move on the stores or you
will not have anything!

Remember FOOD! Who ever has the FOOD has the POWER.
Get FOOD! This is going
to be a bad winter any way you look at it. So get
ready now! Get ready
before the crowd wises up.

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[CTRL] OT:Body identified as missing mail-order bride

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 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 10:29:18 -0600

 Body identified as missing mail-order bride
 The Associated Press
 12/30/00 10:36 PM


 EVERETT, Wash. (AP) -- A body found in a shallow
 grave near the Tulalip
 Indian Reservation in northwest Washington was
 identified Saturday as a
 mail-order bride from Kyrgyzstan who hadn't been
 seen since September.

 The woman's American husband of two years was
 arrested Friday for
 investigation of first-degree murder. He remained in
 Snohomish County Jail
 on Saturday without bail.

 Anastasia Soloveva King, 20, was 39-year-old Indle
 King Jr.'s second
 mail-order bride, The Herald of Everett reported
 Saturday. Her decomposed
 body was identified by the Snohomish County medical
 examiner's office, and
 an autopsy was planned for Tuesday to determine how
 she died.

 Police said officers were led to the body by an
 anonymous phone tip.

 Friends and family reported Anastasia King missing
 in September when she
 didn't return after a three-week visit to her
 parents in Kyrgyzstan, part of
 the former Soviet Union.

 Indle King, who lives in Mountlake Terrace, told
 police he and his wife had
 argued in the airport in Moscow and she told him she
 planned to stay in
 Russia.

 But investigators say both returned to the United
 States on the same flight
 and passed through Customs one minute apart.

 Indle King told police he didn't know she was on the
 flight.

 He filed for divorce on Aug. 21. According to court
 documents, he claimed
 his wife was hiding from him to avoid being served
 with divorce papers and
 being deported.

 Court documents say Anastasia King claimed she was
 the victim of domestic
 violence and had taken steps to obtain a divorce.


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Re: [CTRL] License to Kill

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This is a formula for determining Representation of a State.

Representation of a State is determined by counting the number of human
beings who live there. The formula calls for some human beings to
counted as a human being, some  human beings to be counted as three
fifths of a human being, and other human beings not to be counted at
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Re: [CTRL] Deke Bones

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 actually help our republic

There's a LOT more than just our republic at stake here. The entire
world is effected by the actions of the cryptocracy.

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[CTRL] Hitting America Below the Beltway.Bush Family controlled Harken Energy stock

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Subject: Hitting America Below the Beltway.Bush Family controlled Harken Energy stock
Date: Monday, December 18, 2000 12:59 PM

Hitting America Below the Beltway...
By Al Martin
http://www.almartinraw.com/
12-17-00
George Bush Jr. was investigated THREE TIMES by the Securities and Exchange
Commission in the early 1990s for allegation of securities fraud regarding
his transactions in Bush Family controlled Harken Energy stock.

SEC Director Breeden stopped the investigation initially, but the guy
underneath Breeden sent a copy of the investigative report to Barr's office.
A copy of the files were actually forwarded around Breeden's back because
they knew he would stop it. But then Billy Barr wouldn't do anything about it
either.

This took place after George Jr. became a director of Harken Energy. His
father George Bush Sr. made him a director, and then by this time he had
complete control of the company. This is before the father had to take it
back from him because he nearly bankrupted Harken Energy.

Harken is a publicly traded stock on the American Stock Exchange. When Junior
took it over, the stock was trading at $8 a share. When Bush Jr. left the
Board of Directors, the stock was trading at $1 a share.

And was there a lot of shorting going on?

Oh yes. Myself included.

As a matter of fact, the funny thing is that the minute he was appointed --
both Jeb and Neil shorted the stock.

And it went down.

Everybody knew enough to short it. All the old Iran-Contra Gang knew what
George Jr's track record was in running businesses.

Now all America should know. Knowing their brother's track record in running
a business, Jeb and Neil immediately shorted Harken stock through their own
accounts.

***

Have you heard about Tom Spencer, Chairman of the Miami Dade County
Canvassing Board? He was also the chief Republican observer in the voting
recount. He's been testifying before the Florida Supreme Court, and he claims
that he does not favor Republicans and he is completely impartial.

This is the infamous Thomas Spencer, an attorney in private practice in Miami
called Spencer and Klein. Before going into private practice in 1974, Spencer
was originally the general counsel for the Department of Defense under Nixon
and Ford. His first client in Miami was Southern Air Transport. In fact he
has represented them for twenty years. He is also the personal attorney of
Major General Richard Secord.

Southern Air Transport is, of course, the successor to Air America, the
infamous CIA Dope Airline that the CIA used for smuggling narcotics during
the Vietnam War.

Southern Air Transport was also the airline that was used to facilitate
Oliver North's infamous guns-for-drugs operation during Iran-Contra. It was
founded by the infamous Fred Bachelor, who was famous for making the remark
publicly -- when asked about his political disposition -- that he was
"somewhere to the right of Attila the Hun."

So now Spencer is claiming to be unbiased and not pro-Republican -- despite
the fact that, for years, he represented Jeb Bush, George's younger brother.
He represented Jeb Bush personally and his company Bush Realty. He also
represented the Dade County Latin American Chamber of Commerce of which Bush
was the head.

In the past Spencer represented the then CIA-financed Nicaraguan President in
Exile Adolfo Calero and Calero's younger brother, the CIA doper Mario Calero.

But Gore's attorneys won't bring any of this out. Why?

Spencer could immediately talk about some the Democrats he's represented,
like Bob Graham, the powerful senator. Graham's skeletons in the closet
include Swissco Management in the 1980s when Graham entered into an illegal
tax free exchange of property, pursuant to the Graham family holdings in
north Florida. The Graham family are big ranchers and they own an enormous
amount of property. To avoid capital gains taxes, Graham entered into a
tax-free land swap with Swissco Management in 1984. Later it was deemed to be
illegal, and Graham got hit with a multi-million dollar levy from the IRS. By
the way, Swissco Management was headed by none other than Carlos Cardoen, the
Chilean arms dealer.

Congressman Bill Alexander, during his 1990-92 Iran-Contra hearings, called
Tom Spencer "a slippery right wing cabalist." Alexander further paid Tom
Spencer, Esq. some accolades by calling him "one of Washington's best
Iran-Contra nay-sayers in Miami."

By the way, Spencer is also mentioned in my book "The Conspirators."

Spencer is now saying that Bush was ahead by six votes. And the Gore people
are saying that Gore was ahead by 19,000 votes. But for this guy -- the
infamous Tom Spencer -- to claim he's impartial, 

Re: [CTRL] An Unholy Trinity: Truth, Market Forces and the Media

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An Unholy Trinity: Truth, Market Forces and the Media
By David Cromwell

So what else is new under the sun?

I am constantly amazed that some folks think that the Corporate Media
has some kind of duty to be objective and report real news. The principle
that "Freedom of the Press is only for those who own one" says it all.

The problem is not that the Corporate Media has a self interest to report
distorted "news" but that too many Americans actually BELIEVE that what
they see, read, and hear in the Corporate Media might be the unvarnished
"truth."

Until we free our progeny from the terrible smothering effects of Government
Schools we doomed to be Sheep who dance to the tune of the Corporate
Media Shepherd.
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[CTRL] Heritage Foundation

[William Shannon]

Richard C. Knocke

In the Tank?
By PAUL KRUGMAN

Even cynics were a bit startled by the revelation that Justice Clarence
Thomas's wife has been employed by the Heritage Foundation to gather résumés
for potential appointments in the next administration. But let me leave
ethical issues to the experts and focus on a different question suggested by
the story: To what extent will a Bush administration, if that's what we're
about to have, be staffed by people from Heritage and its sister
institutions? Are we about to enter an era of government by professional
ideologues?

Heritage describes itself as a think tank, a term originally applied to
nonpolitical institutions like the RAND Corporation. Whether it is really
appropriate for organizations like Heritage depends on what you mean by the
word "think." Most of Washington's so-called think tanks don't have to ponder
the issues - they already know the answers. The Heritage mission statement
makes no bones about it: the institution's purpose is to "formulate and
promote conservative public policies." Can you imagine any circumstances
under which Heritage researchers might recommend a tax increase, or a new
environmental regulation? I didn't think so.

Since the policy recommendations that come out of Heritage, or the Cato
Institute, or even the American Enterprise Institute are so predictable, what
purpose do these organizations serve? Good question.

The important think tanks are all very much institutions of the right. Jon
Corzine notwithstanding, left- wing multimillionaires are not exactly the
norm. So liberal think tanks don't have anything like the resources or the
influence of their right-wing counterparts. Some might cite the Brookings
Institution as an exception - but Brookings isn't liberal the way the
conservative think tanks are conservative. Put it this way: Even A.E.I., the
most moderate of the big right-wing think tanks, lists Newt Gingrich among
its "scholars."

The glory years of the think tanks were the 1970's, when they provided an
alternative to what was perceived - with some justice - as the liberal bias
of academia. The think tanks were places where neoconservative intellectuals
could think the unthinkable and say the unsayable. They provided a new
element in the national dialogue, to such an extent that Daniel Patrick
Moynihan famously declared that "the Republicans have become the party of
ideas." And of course the think tanks provided the intellectual shock troops
for the Reagan revolution.

But that was a long time ago. Neoconservative ideas are no longer radical;
they have become trite. And the intellectual need for an alternative set of
institutions is itself far less apparent than it was. In the field I know
best, economics, academia no longer has a recognizable liberal bias; free
markets command great respect, and many of the best-known professors are also
committed Republicans. Nonetheless, the think tanks are bigger and better
financed than ever. What is their purpose?

Mainly they have become waiting rooms for the conservative nomen klatura - a
class of intellectuals among whom talent is much less important than
political reliability. The people whose résumés Mrs. Thomas has been helping
put together are professional ideologues, who currently earn a living by
repeating conservative slogans but hope that they will soon be under
secretaries and assistant secretaries.

This hope doesn't have to be fulfilled. While a few Friends of Bill got
special consideration in the early years, the Clinton administration was in
general staffed by people notable more for their ability than their
ideological fervor. In the economic area, the administration attracted some
very impressive talent, including at least one likely Nobel laureate (Joseph
Stiglitz, chief economic adviser from 1995 to '97).

George W. Bush could do the same - staffing his administration with able
Republicans from the business and academic worlds. But will he?

If Mr. Bush becomes president, the thing to watch is whom he appoints - not
so much to the glamorous cabinet positions as the less visible but crucial
second and third tiers. If those slots are filled by people from Wall Street
and Stanford, people who have made their reputations independent of their
politics, good. If they are filled from Heritage and Cato and A.E.I., forget
the rhetoric - he's a divider, not a uniter.
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Re: [CTRL] Marrs-Is someone preventing our exploration of Mars?

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On 30 Dec 00, at 13:22, Nessie wrote:

 Normally, I take Jim Marrs, Alienzoo, and especially remote viewing,
 with a very large grain of salt. But maybe he’s onto something here.
 It does make perfect sense. If I was a Martian, and I saw the
 Earthlings coming, I shoot ‘em down, too. And quick, before they could
 establish a foothold. It’s either that or my  grandkids would grow up
 on a place the people who owned it would call New Earth. They’d be
 living on reservations, selling trinkets to tourists for a living and
 waiting for the day the Earthlings felt guilty enough to let them open
 a casino.


I just saw--for the very first time!!!---the movie, The Day the Earth
Stood Still. Can't believe I never saw this one before. With
absolutely brilliantly-portrayed pigheaded stupidity, Earthlings
organize themselves to eliminate the Spaceling who has come to
bring them an urgent message from the rest of the universe--
without even stopping to hear what he has to say. If you've never
seen it rush out to Blockbuster or your local video store and rent it.

Now I know who Klatu is!!! Call me Klatu.
sno0wl

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Re: [CTRL] Fw: Environmental warfare, Chossudovsky

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On 30 Dec 00, at 15:49, Ynr Chyldz Wyld wrote:

 What needs to be done is to check long-term weather patterns, via tree
 rings, core ice samples, etc.  Only then can it be said with any
 certainty whether the weather is actually 'strange' or not...  ;-)


Trouble is, the folks who do this sort of thing are usually all
connected to government agencies, govt. funded universities and
research programs  and can tell us whatever they chose. Since
we're not going to rush out to check tree rings and take ice cores
ourselves, how can we argue?

Terrence McKenna had something on his website that related to
such changes and "novelties" over long, long ranges of time. That
might be interesting to someone who knew how to look at them
from a meteorological or geological perspective. Check it out.
sno0wl

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Re: [CTRL] Deke Bones

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LOL...  sno0wl,
More propaganda from the Liberal Left???
It will never end. God forbid that we should have a President going into
office with a clean slate.  Seems that Ronald Reagan was as close as it
comes, in this generation,  to having a clean slate before entering the
Presidency,  and now look what they've (the Liberal Media and Democratic
Control freaks)  done to him,  as well as silencing him with disease.

I will stick with the candidate ELECT, and his history, good or bad.
It's only as bad as you choose to see it, anyways.

I've heard so much garb`age about Clinton, Gore, Bush and the rest of the
johnny come lately wannabe's,  that I think I will sit back and watch,  and
let the running record prove the President's stuff.  If he's not worthy,
he's not worthy... (and I'll be among the first to admit)  but that is yet
to be seen,  not to be predicted. If he is worthy,  more power to him.
Everyone is so hell-bent on making Bush out to be some kind of illiterate
idiot,  that they failed to see that no president is a man of his own,
except when alone in the oval office with a staff aid...
Just like the pope,  we never seem to see the work that those men in black
that hide behind the robes and suits do.  THEY are truly the popeship or the
presidency...  The person is only a cosmetic senior officer or senator. Rome
was no different.

So, condemn Mr. Bush as you will...
And, I will continue to hope that your judgment of condemnation is put to
shame.

eagle 1

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 On 31 Dec 00, at 9:06, Eagle 1 wrote:

  And I figure that you won't much like what Dubya does,
but I will lay wager that he won't embarrass the country with sex
  scandal, murder, and abusive drug habits... while in office.
 

 It was Dubya's GOP that made sure we knew every detail of that
 absolutely inane sex scandal, hammering us over the head 24/7 for
 several years with it when no one even really cared.

 It's standard GOP operating procedure (if you can remember as far
 back as Gary Hart) to destroy democrats with silly stuff like sex
 bunnies.(When stuff like sex and drugs gets raised for the GOP,
 they just refuse to answer and for some unexplainable reason all
 the lawyers and all the media just stop dead in their tracks and go
 away.)

 And as for murderswell, the body count is already pretty high for
 Dubya and his gang  (maybe that's what happens to media that
 persists in asking GOP members embarassing questions). In fact,
 since all these guys are possibly backed by the same high rollers,
 Clinton may have just been holding the fort until Bush's guys were
 ready to move back in.

 Isn't it wonderful. Once again the most advanced and powerful
 nation in the world is going to have a governor from one of its most
 backward, underdeveloped states leading it.
 sno0wl


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Re: [CTRL] Just Say No To Ashcroft!

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Subject: Just Say "No" To Ashcroft!
All you Democratic senators, listen up: Just say no to Ashcroft!

Ha Ha. These duplicitious handwringers make me laugh (and cry).
These "Democratic senators" have as much credibility judging a potential
AG as does Hitler discussing Zionism.

After Kommandante Reno (Murder, Inc.) the bar is so lowered that any
damm Nazi can be appointed AG. Please tell me how Ashcroft can be
any worse then "gas'em - burn'em" Reno? What pray tell will he do?
Reno has accomplished the impossible. She has made even that horrible
Ed Meese look good by comparison.

Perhaps Ashcroft will lock up millions of his fellow Americans in support of the
Insane Drug War? Perhaps his Justice Dept will seek Fascist legislation
gutting the 4th Amendment; personal privacy; turn your local bank into
a government spy; ESCHELON, etc. etc.(Not even mentioning the gross
coverups like Flt. 800 and the Oklahoma Bombing.)

How can Ashcroft possible be worse then Reno? One Nazi replaces
anothersuch is life in the good ole USA in the year 2001.

Please don't insult us with such sick sanctimonious hypocrisy.
flw

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Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: The Invisible Hand: Still Scary After All TheseYears]

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 MJ
  If capitalism is NOT an economic system void of Government
  intervention ... then what 'word' suits this ideal?

  Capitalism:  You hire me to build a fence on your property
  to a specific specification for a certain compensation. We
  sign a contract. I build the fence as directed.  You provide
  the compensation as directed.
  Where is Government 'depended upon'?

The term "capitalism" has been co opted and distorted. It has been rendered
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with State Capitalism. Another term stolen and distorted by the Statists.
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Re: [CTRL] License to Kill

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MJ
This is a formula for determining Representation of a State.
Nesie
Representation of a State is determined by counting the
number of human beings who live there. The formula
calls for some human beings to counted as a human being,
some  human beings to be counted as three fifths of a
human being, and other human beings not to be counted at
all.
MJ
This is simply absurd nonsense.
Citing the entire piece AGAIN in hopes you will actually
read it rather than continuing with these nonsensical
regurgitations of fantasy ...

AI, S2, C3
   Representatives and direct Taxes shall be
   apportioned among the several States which
   may be included within this Union, according
   to their respective Numbers, which SHALL BE
   DETERMINED BY ADDING to the WHOLE NUMBER of
   FREE PERSONS, including those bound to Service
   for a Term of Years, and EXCLUDING INDIANS
   not taxed, THREE FIFTHS OF ALL OTHER PERSONS.

Please note that nowhere are your delusionary fantasies
realized.

Regard$,
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Re: [CTRL] HAPPY NEW YEAR!

[Cliff Hume]

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And the same to you, Jela.

The USA now has an appointed president. Does that mean more or 'morether' of
the same.

This brings to mind one Nelson Rockefeller (rottenfeller), who had made it
to the vice presidency and the news was circulating here in Canada that he
would go into the office of the presidency without a single solitary vote. I
believe too many people were aware of that move and they therefore did not
attempt it.

Kindest regards,

Cliff Hume.


At 07:26 PM 12/31/00 +0100, you wrote:
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  Dear friends and collegues,

  I wish you the best for this comming new year and century.
  Let all your activities and plans be a success!

  HAPPY NEW YEAR!

  Best wishes,
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Re: [CTRL] William Graham Sumner SB 1863 US Political Thought, Lecture 12

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What is described below is corporate socialism. Like all forms of socialism,
it begins with theft made 'legal' by governments and ends with total theft
and the loss of all freedoms.

Yours truly,

Cliff Hume.

At 10:54 AM 12/31/00 -0500, you wrote:
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Kris Milligan writes in part:
Sumner's position is more consistent than those who strongly opposed social
welfare and industrial regulation but who made enormous exceptions when it
came to subsidies and benefits for industry. Under the rubric of "jobbery,"
Sumner condemns "any scheme which aims to gain, not by the legitimate fruits
of industry and enterprise, but by extorting from somebody a part of his
product under guise of some pretended industrial undertaking" (354). He had
in mind state development projects--buildings, internal improvements,
investment credits, etc., along with the "greatest" bit of jobbery of all,
the protective tariff (354).

This is the crux of the failure of many so called "capitalists." They are
essentially
anti libertarian and anti free market. They give false praise to "economic
freedom"
but in reality seek to use the power of Government to distort the system and
co-opt government's taxation and police powers to further their own mercenary
ends.

These pirates do not reflect true economic freedom or libertarianism.
They are the anti thesis of both.
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Re: [CTRL] Just Say No To Ashcroft!

[William Shannon]

In a message dated 12/31/00 2:42:42 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


. Please tell me how Ashcroft can be
any worse then "gas'em - burn'em" Reno? What pray tell will he do?
Reno has accomplished the impossible. She has made even that horrible
Ed Meese look good by comparison.


He and Meese are cut from the same cloth...that's the problem.

Bill.

Re: [CTRL] License to Kill

[c.]

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ah, denial. ok... there is no 'fraction'... LOL the 3/5s that you have
been saying is not to do with slaves- now you say it isn't even there
*sigh*

anything else you would like to deny- holocaust possibly? ;)


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Subject: Re: [CTRL] License to Kill


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 c.
   i ask you again what that 3/5s comment is alluding to.
 MJ
   Nothing.  It is simply a portion of a formula for
   determining Representatives.
 c.
 the group of people this fraction applies to is not stated. but the
 fractions (or not) relating to other groups *are* stated.
 so which group of people is the fraction used for?
 MJ
 There is no 'faction'.
 This is a formula for determining Representation of a State.

 Regard$,
 --MJ

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Re: [CTRL] License to Kill

[c.]

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lol

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not taxed, THREE FIFTHS OF ALL OTHER PERSONS.


 Regard$,
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Re: [CTRL] License to Kill

[c.]

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not taxed, THREE FIFTHS OF ALL OTHER PERSONS.


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[CTRL] Fwd: Today's Global Intelligence Update

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  * Pakistan's Balancing Act to Reform Its Economy
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Summary

Russia and Germany are considering converting a large chunk of
Russia's $14 billion debt to Germany into equity stakes in
Russian companies, which would make Germany a major shareholder
in Russian industry. The deal will represent an important move in
forging a close geopolitical partnership between Germany and
Russia. This may help Russia's revival, and Germany could emerge
as the leader of a united Europe with Russia on its side. Such a
development would significantly weaken U.S. influence in Europe
while dramatically strengthening Germany and Russia and helping
them to advance to the front stage of world geopolitics.

Analysis

Germany and Russia are forging an economic deal that, if it
succeeds, may shift the balance of European power. Werner Muller,
German economic minister, and German Gref, Russian minister of
economic development and trade, met in Berlin Dec. 12 to debate
details of a plan to exchange Russian debt for German equity in
Russian companies.

The two sides have agreed in principle to swap a large share of
Russia's $14 billion debt, The Times reported Dec. 13. One option
they are considering is giving to Germany a significantly larger
share in Gazprom, Russia's gigantic gas export monopoly.
Germany's Ruhrgas now holds 4 percent.

Obtaining several billion dollars worth of stakes in Russian
enterprises would make Germany a major shareholder in Russian
industry, giving Berlin a stronger voice in Moscow. In addition,
it would further tie Berlin's interests to economic and political
stability in Russia. Russia already supplies about 35 percent of
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Re: [CTRL] Computer Intrusion Attempts

[Samantha L.]

-Caveat Lector-

  My computer is on a cable modem and I recently took the risk of checking my
computer security using the free SHIELDSUP! at

https://grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2

  I had an open portal (NetBios) which they said was a pretty bad security
risk.  So I followed their advice to correct "Network Bondage" problems:

http://grc.com/su-bondage.htm

  NetBios' portal was then tested as closed.  My other portals read as closed
but not "stealth."  So I took another risk in installing the latest free
version of Zone Alarm:

http://www.zonelabs.com/default.htm

  Now everything reads "stealth" - in fact I am now told that my computer is
invisible to others.  That's good.

  So Zone Alarm tells me whenever there is an attempted intrusion packet
being sent to my computer.  I'm pretty freaked out by the places that are
attempting to intrude into my little PC world.  The last two of the three
listed I was able to confirm hold government contracts.  I'm not taking this
personally because I understand that there are programs out there designed to
scan for open ports.  I don't yet have reason to believe that my IP address
is targeted specifically.

  The free Zone Alarm firewall has been mentioned on this list 3 times
before, the last as recently as September of this year.  I am only adding my
own personal experience as emphasis.  I cannot guarantee that SHIELDSUP! or
Zone Alarm are safe - I took a risk in using them.  I'm glad I did.  Here are
three samples of the places where the intrusions are coming from:

Massachusetts Institute of Technology (NET-MIT-TEMP)
   1 Amherst Street
   Cambridge, MA 02139-1986

   Netname: MIT
   Netblock: 18.0.0.0 - 18.255.255.255

UUNET Technologies, Inc. (NET-UUNET-)
   3060 Williams Drive
   Fairfax, VA 22031
   US

   Netname: UUNET-BACKBONE
   Netblock: 152.63.0.0 - 152.63.255.255
   Maintainer: UU

GlobalNET Corporation (NETBLK-GLOBALCORP)
   12845 Capricorn Dr.
   Stafford, TX 77477
   US

   Netname: GLOBALCORP
   Netblock: 216.115.32.0 - 216.115.63.255
   Maintainer: GLBN

Samantha

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Re: [CTRL] CLuM Dualism (Solstice marked by sacrifice)

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From: "Eagle 1" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 You can step on anything and everything but a true Christian.  It is people
 like you who aimlessly swing swords, beheading Christians,  yet you whine
 about the God of the Bible who you claim murders babies...
 You poor, Biblically illiterate soul.

And what is 'Biblically illiterate' by the statement that 'the God of the 
Bible...murders babies'?

Seems to me the OT is full of such examples...either Yahweh doing the dirty work 
Himself (as in Sodom and
Gomorrah -- where EVERYONE, including children and babies, were killed), or his 
'Chosen People' do so via
direct commandment from God (any number of existing communities being slaughtered as 
the Hebrews take over
Canaan, etc.)...time and again, the Hebrew army is commanded to kill everyone and 
everything, not just their
enemy army...they are commanded to go into the enemy city and kill all the women, 
elderly, children, infants,
even all the animals...

Anyone who claims otherwise is the one who is biblically illiterate...

Also, it shows what hypocrites those who oppose abortion on supposed biblical 
principles are, since they claim
that abortion is 'killing babies', and yet the OT is full of cases of Yahweh not only 
approving of, but
actually demanding, that His 'Chosen People' do just that...


June


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Re: [CTRL] CLuM Dualism (Solstice marked by sacrifice)

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Re: [CTRL] Al-Kitab al-Thalith al-Kansan al-Riyadhi

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  Karl E. Taylor wrote:

Subject: Re: Al-Kitab al-Thalith al-Kansan al-Riyadhi
From: "Karl E. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Kansan1225 wrote:

   A response to Ms. Harper and company:

Oh good, I'm in company

   I am a Christian and believe in the Holy Trinity of the Father, the
 Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Bully for you.  I believe in dragons, computers and my cat.  Do they
count too?

   My successes in Conspiracy investigations have led me to believe that
the
 Holy Spirit points me in the right direction.

Sure it does.  And agent Mulder is a real person too.

   For example, on June 5, 1999, I posted a message on alt.conspiracy
and
 other newsgroups identifying the date July 16 as a target date for CLuM
 activities.  On July 16, 1999, JFK, Jr., fell victim to an aviation
"accident".

Simply amazing!  You find one, ONE incident that might reflect well on
your predictions.  Tell, what else happened that day?  Do you know?
Thought not.

   Again, most recently, on September 19, 2000, I wrote in my newsletter
 that October 12, 2000, would likely see "some new CLuM outrage".  As it
 happened, on October 12, 2000, on Columbus Day, the USS Cole was attacked
in
 Yemen.

You are as bad as Sollog on sci.skeptic.  Scan the papers for ANYTHING
that just might fit into your predictions, and you must be right.  Child
of the X-Files.  Time for your meds now junior.

   I have come to the conclusion that this kind of success is not solely
 my own doing.  It seems that God wants me to warn people about the
Conspiracy
 in concrete terms and have them choose good over evil.

Sure, and Jean Dixon was right 2 out of 100 times too.  Tell me, oh wise
seer, what will happen to me on Tuesday?  Better yet, what have I got in
my pocket?  And do you know what wisdom is?
--

  I am not really in the business of making predictions.  Most of my work
concerns theories about past events.  You can read my past articles "The
Consecration of New Atlantis" and "Sinister Masonic secrtes of the Oklahoma
City bombing" in Dejanews as examples.

  But sometimes my theories point to a future date.  This was the case
with October 12, 2000.  I had linked this date to Franklin D. Roosevelt and
it came to pass according to my theories.


There are none more ignorant and useless,
then they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.

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[CTRL] Dr. Lane's House FY2000 Budget Testimony -Microchips, Quantum teleportation and more

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Thought some might be intrested - check out the date March 24, 1999

http://www.ostp.gov/html/993_25_2.html
Title: Dr. Lane's House FY2000 Budget Testimony





Statement of
The Honorable Neil Lane
Assistant to the President
for Science and Technology
and
Director of the Office
of Science and Technology Policy
before the
Subcommittee on Veterans
Affairs, HUD, and Independent Agencies
Committee on Appropriations
United States House of
Representatives
March 24, 1999
Dr.
Lane's Written Testimony
Dr.
Lane's Oral Testimony


Dr.
Lane's Written Testimony



Mr. Chairman, Members of
the Committee, I am pleased to appear before you today to discuss the Office
of Science and Technology Policy's (OSTP) budget request for Fiscal Year
2000.
I very much welcome, and
am encouraged by the current efforts in Congress in support of science
and technology (ST) funding. As you know, funding for ST, like
funding for education, is a high leverage investment in our continued quest
for peace and prosperity. Support for such investments has traditionally
been a matter of bipartisan agreement. It is imperative that we build common
ground in support of a shared vision -- a commitment to keep America the
world’s leader in ST.
As we approach the turn of
the century, it seems appropriate to take stock of the Nation’s ST
enterprise, and to look to the future -- to the opportunities that lie
ahead as well as the challenges that we face. The Information Age, driven
by rapidly advancing ST, is bringing changes to our society that are
only beginning to unfold. Already, new communications technologies are
transforming the way we work, where we work, and what we need to know to
be successful in tomorrow’s competitive environment. Six years ago, "Internet"
was still a word known mostly to those in ST. Today, this offspring
of federal research activities is the backbone of a new industry and a
window to a tremendous world of information for all segments of our society,
from business executives to school children.
The rapid economic growth
of other nations means a future with greatly expanded markets for U.S.
goods and services. Our ability to move our ideas, our goods, and ourselves
swiftly to any place on the planet, with the help of new technologies,
enhances our ability to share in the growth of global wealth. On the other
hand, the increasing availability of these same capabilities throughout
the world also means greater competition; it means increasing pressures
on our shared environment, health, and natural resources; and it means
more diverse dangers to our security from threats such as terrorism and
the spread of nuclear and other materials of mass destruction.
DRIVING ECONOMIC GROWTH
AND IMPROVING QUALITY OF LIFE
Sustaining U.S. leadership
in science and technology has been a cornerstone of President Clinton's
economic and national security strategy. Investments in science and technology
-- both public and private -- have driven economic growth and improvements
in the quality of life in America for the last 200 years. They have generated
new knowledge and new industries, created new jobs, ensured economic and
national security, reduced pollution and increased energy efficiency, provided
better and safer transportation, improved medical care, and increased living
standards for the American people.
Our economy has never been
more driven by science and technology than it is today. Over the past three
years, information technology (IT) alone has accounted for more than one-third
of America's economic growth. More than 7.4 million American's work in
IT today -- and those jobs pay, on average, sixty percent higher than the
average job. Alan Greenspan recently stated that rapid technological change
has greatly contributed to eight years of record peacetime expansion, and
is one of the forces producing what he called "America's sparkling economic
performance."
Investments in research and
development are among the highest-payback investments a Nation can make.
Over the past 50 years technological innovation has been responsible for
as much as half of the nation's growth in productivity.
We see the fruits of this
innovation every day. Many of the products and services we have come to
depend on for our way of life in America -- lasers, computers, magnetic
resonance imaging (MRI), teflon and other advanced materials and composites,
communications satellites, jet aircraft, microwave ovens, solar-electric
cells, modems, semiconductors, storm windows, human insulin, and others
-- are the product of U.S. science support and technology policies.
These innovations also mean
jobs and economic prosperity for America. They've built some of these key
industries:
Computers and Communications:
A creative partnership among the Federal agencies, industry, and academia
led to what has become the Internet, the backbone of a global electronic
communication system. The Internet has driven the evolution of a $590 

Re: [CTRL] License to Kill

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c.
i ask you again what that 3/5s comment is alluding to.
MJ
Nothing.  It is simply a portion of a formula for
determining Representatives.
c.
   the group of people this fraction applies to is not stated. but the
  fractions (or not) relating to other groups *are* stated.
  so which group of people is the fraction used for?
MJ
 There is no 'faction'.
 This is a formula for determining Representation of a State.
c.
ah, denial. ok... there is no 'fraction'... LOL the 3/5s that you have
been saying is not to do with slaves- now you say it isn't even there
*sigh*
anything else you would like to deny- holocaust possibly? ;)
MJ
Demonstrating your inability to read again?

You do readily see the difference between FACTION and
FRACTION?

Typical.

Regard$,
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Re: [CTRL] Marrs-Is someone preventing our exploration of Mars?

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I am fairly sceptical about BEMs but I also have my suspicions. Remember how there was 
a rash of mysterious meteorite strikes and satellite problems around the time of the 
Mars explorer? Maybe they little green men are fighting back, but the governments are 
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[CTRL] (Fwd) Bush a Clone or Machine? Check it out....Washington Post

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A friend sent this to me and I'm sending it on to you.
Heavy duty!!!

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Re: [CTRL] Marrs-Is someone preventing our exploration of Mars?

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Anyone with half a brain knows this to be true.

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Re: [CTRL] Al-Kitab al-Thalith al-Kansan al-Riyadhi

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What do the P   U.K.E. call themselves? Trancendental Meditationists? Scientologists? 
Hare Krishnas?

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[CTRL] Hallelujah I am saved!

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On Tue, 26 Dec 2000 22:39:14 -0800 Vera Harper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Johannes, forgive my tongue, but you are an inane bumbling idiot.

You are forgiven, it's only Christian after all.

No man should ever pretend to know anything about nothing and then think he is smart. 
I cannot imagine anyone being so illiterate about God and in the same breath pretend 
to know all about Him. Your senseless  statements prove just how dull-witted you are. 
And life will never go on without Jesus' Truth and you should be glad for that.

Life goes on just dandy in many parts of the world without Jesus or his busy bodies, 
as it has for the vast majority of history.

It gives you that much more time to realize the error of your ways. Forget about 
Jesus? Yeah right. He is the only lifeline we have to a better future and the only 
way you will reach real happiness in life. Forsake your pitiful god, self, and 
embrace the real. Johannes, the Lord seeks to find you, just turn and recieve true 
life. You think you are so open minded? Seek God right now, wherever you are, with 
true faith, believe that if He is there you will know, or if He isn't you will know, 
but be open. If you do this in all truth, you will know more than you did five 
minutes ago. I am an o

Hallelujah! I can feel the Holy Spirit rising and I am going to start speaking in 
tongues in a minute! I will still make more sense than you though.

pen minded soul, and this worked for me. I thought I was so damned smart and open 
minded. But as my grandpa says "Don't be so open-minded that your brains fall out". 
Good luck, Jessie



You should have taken your Grandfather's advice, unfortunately Christianity has 
shrunken your brain, which has been clinically proven to occur in many cases.


asddjdjjsde33! asdsajlk Jesus Jesus adssad jkewrjwe!

I can see the Doktors are coming to take me to Maximum Security Insanity Prison, where 
all committed Christians are held until the drugs take effect!

Halleluja and Happy New Millennium everyone.

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Re: [CTRL] License to Kill

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I quite agree that Negros don't have souls. I don't believe white people have souls 
either.

Praise Him!


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ROTFL!!  J2 does not suffer fools gladly, does he?
This does seem to be what is being fished for with the
inquiry.  J2 aims to please. LOL!
Kindred

 Johannes Schmidt III wrote:
 
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  I believe there was some serious public debate at
 the time about whether Negros had souls, and this
 was somewhat of a compromise. And I'm not being
 fecetious either.

 Negros don't have souls.

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Re: [CTRL] Just Say No To Ashcroft!

[Nessie]

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Glad there is someone to say NO  to Democratic control freaks.  


Too bad there is no one to say no to the Republican control freaks. Last
time we had a guy like this it was Ed Meese. He gutted the Fourth
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Re: [CTRL] Just Say No To Ashcroft!

[Nessie]

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No one could possibly be worse than her. 


Try Ed Meese or John Mitchell.

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[CTRL] Flynn not a Nazi spy?

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http://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/2000/12/31/FFX1U15LDHC.html

Flynn spied for Allies, not Germans

LONDON
Sunday 31 December 2000

Australian-born Hollywood star Errol Flynn spied for Britain and the Allies during 
World War II, according to classified British documents.

London's Telegraph newspaper reported that the Home Office had MI5 papers dispelling 
claims that the star was a Nazi sympathiser.

The documents, which are still classified more than 50 years after the end of the war, 
detail how the actor offered to help Britain's security services. They show how Flynn 
was willing to exploit family connections in the then neutral Irish Republic for the 
Allied cause.

Relatives and friends are now calling for the release of the documents, which they 
believe will restore the star's reputation following a series of biographies that have 
repeated claims that he secretly supported Hitler.

The papers say the hell-raiser was a patriot who was willing to do all he could to 
help the Allied cause. His rejection by the armed forces because of a heart murmur 
made him determined to help in more “unconventional ways”.

British Labour MP Harry Cohen has petitioned Home Secretary Jack Straw to release the 
secret files.

Flynn, who was born in Hobart and who died in 1959, made his name in such films as The 
Adventures of Robin Hood.

He was previously accused of sympathising with Hitler based on his association with Dr 
Hermann Erben, an Austrian who served in the German military intelligence.

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[CTRL] Bush/Moon/WACL/CIA

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Subject: Bush/Moon/WACL/CIA
Date: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 3:11 AM

Columbus Free Press

Bush moons America
by Bob Fitrakis, April 01, 2000

Republican presidential candidate George W. Bush ‹ the son of former CIA
Director George Herbert Walker Bush ‹ found himself in trouble and faltering
after his New Hampshire defeat to Senator John McCain. A shadowy, secretive
and spooky network centered around right wing religious organizations and
causes rushed to his rescue in South Carolina.
At the crux of this network is the Council for National Policy (CNP) founded
in 1981 by the Rev. Tim LaHaye and T. Cullen Davis, members of the
ultra-right John Birch Society with financial backing from Nelson Bunker
Hunt. Currently, the clandestine CNP has over 500 members and serves as the
Who¹s Who network of the United States¹ right wing. At the center of the
CNP, with a seemingly endless supply of questionable cash, is
self-proclaimed Messiah and mind control cult leader Rev. Sun Myung Moon.
Ron Godwin, Senior Vice President of the Moon-owned Washington Times, and
Robert Grant, President of Moon-affiliated American Freedom Coalition (AFC),
are CNP members. The main function of the Moon organization seems to be
providing media propaganda and financially propping up failing right wing
organizations. In the mid-1980¹s when New Right direct mail king Richard
Viguerie fell into debt, Moon¹s Unification Church bought his building for
ten million dollars. Viguerie served on the Board of the AFC and has done
mailings for that organization and the Washington Times. When the Rev. Jerry
Falwell fell on hard times, once again, it was the Moonies to the rescue.
Moon has reportedly lost a billion dollars in the 1980¹s and 90¹s operating
the Washington Times. In 1992, a PBS Frontline investigative report claimed
that a key money source for Rev. Moon¹s far-flung world financial empire was
Ryoichi Sasakawa, the self-proclaimed ³world¹s richest fascist² who died in
1995. At the time of his death, Sasakawa administered a ³charitable
foundation² taking in nearly $24 billion a year from a monopoly on legalized
gambling in Japan.
Sasakawa was one of Japan¹s foremost fascists in the 1930¹s. He modeled his
own private army of 15,000 men and 20 warplanes after Mussolini¹s Black
Shirts. After the World War II, Sasakawa, a classified Class A war criminal,
awaited death in a military prison before suddenly being released by General
Douglas McArthur. Also released with Sasakawa was leading Japanese organized
crime syndicate leader Yoshio Kodama of the Yakuza.
The Japanese News Service KYODO released documents linking Sasakawa to U.S.
military intelligence. Declassified documents link Kodama¹s release to the
CIA. Both Kodama and Sasakawa played a key role in the rise of the Moon
organization. In 1977, Congressman Donald Fraser launched an investigation
into the Moonie organization. The 444-page Congressional report alleged
Moonie involvement in arms sales, bribery, bank fraud and illegal kickbacks.
Not surprisingly, the report suggested that Moon¹s Unification Church was a
tool of the Korean Central Intelligence Agency (KCIA) and was being used to
influence U.S. foreign and domestic policy. The U.S. CIA created the Korean
KCIA and also established the ties between Sasakawa, Kodama and Moon.
Moon, a Korean, and his two Japanese buddies, first joined forces in the
1960¹s to form the Asian people¹s Anti-Communist League with the aid of KCIA
agents and allegedly financed by Japanese Yakuza money. In 1964, League
money set up Moon¹s ³Freedom Center² in the U.S. with crime boss Kodama
serving as Chief Advisor to the Moon subsidiary ³Win Over Communism.² In
1966, the League merged with the Anti-Bolshevik Bloc of Nations, a group
with strong fascist ties to form the World Anti-Communist League led by
retired U.S. Major General John Singlaub. Singlaub, a good friend of the
Bush family, serves on the CNP and enlisted paramilitary organizations to
support the contra cause in Nicaragua. These are the FOBs (Friends of Bush),
a shadowy network connected to the CIA, mind control, fascism and arms and
drug-running.  Articles
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Re: [CTRL] Just Say No To Ashcroft!

[Vera Harper]

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"c", I am a non-denominational Christian. I don't believe in the rules and regulations 
of most churches. I believe in a direct link to God, through Jesus, without all the 
crap. I'm sorry if I scare you, I don't mean to be so opinionated, that is not Jesus' 
way, but my own imperfect self coming through. Please forgive me, Jessie

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Re: [CTRL] Deke Bones

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Kris, that is what's wrong with you and so many here on the list. You don't believe in 
anything! What a sad, dismal life to have nothing to believe in.

Kris wrote:
eagle 1,

Beliefs are for fairy tales and religions.


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[CTRL] Christians and Conspiracy Theory

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http://www.acts17-11.com/conspire.html

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Re: [CTRL] Deke Bones

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Kris,
Your despondant diatribe is typical of one in denial...
You deny the powers that be,  and have shown yourself.
That's fine with me.  I could care less that you think that
religious beliefs are myths and fairy tales.  You only deceive
yourself.  One day,  you will know the truth.

However,  I refuse to rail against you, as you have me.  I at
least give you the space to believe what you want to believe,
tho' I may not agree.
(You show some uneducated behavior for someone who
*appears*  to this list as one who IS "educated" and
"wise" in the ways of the world).  And that may be your total
downfall,  that you are more wise in the ways of the world.
than in the way of faith and belief in God's Word.

I've done my research,  thank you.  I just don't agree with
yours.

Jesus said,  speaking to people who believed the
same way you do...
"You are from beneath; I am from above:
You are of this world; I am not of this world. I said
therefore unto you,  that you shall die in your sins:
for if you believe not that I am He,  you shall die in
your sins." ~John 8:23-24

If you want to believe that is fable,  hey go for it,
and have a nice trip...  but don't condemn me,  because
I refuse to agree with your nonsense.

eagle 1

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Subject: Re: [CTRL] Deke Bones


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 eagle 1,

 Beliefs are for fairy tales and religions.

 Do the research and refute me.

 George W Bush is nothing more than a stooge for the cryptocracy. As was
 Clinton.

 Get you head out of your idealogical orifice and actually help our
republic
 instead of helping the cryptocracy tear it down.

 MHO
 Om
 K




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Re: [CTRL] CLuM Dualism (Solstice marked by sacrifice)

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A famous Governor of Oklahoma, "Alfalfa" Bill Murray once said,
"It is better to say nothing and let others think that you are ignorant,
than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

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 From: "Eagle 1" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  You can step on anything and everything but a true Christian.  It is
people
  like you who aimlessly swing swords, beheading Christians,  yet you
whine
  about the God of the Bible who you claim murders babies...
  You poor, Biblically illiterate soul.

 And what is 'Biblically illiterate' by the statement that 'the God of the
Bible...murders babies'?

 Seems to me the OT is full of such examples...either Yahweh doing the
dirty work Himself (as in Sodom and
 Gomorrah -- where EVERYONE, including children and babies, were killed),
or his 'Chosen People' do so via
 direct commandment from God (any number of existing communities being
slaughtered as the Hebrews take over
 Canaan, etc.)...time and again, the Hebrew army is commanded to kill
everyone and everything, not just their
 enemy army...they are commanded to go into the enemy city and kill all the
women, elderly, children, infants,
 even all the animals...

 Anyone who claims otherwise is the one who is biblically illiterate...

 Also, it shows what hypocrites those who oppose abortion on supposed
biblical principles are, since they claim
 that abortion is 'killing babies', and yet the OT is full of cases of
Yahweh not only approving of, but
 actually demanding, that His 'Chosen People' do just that...


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