Re: [CTRL] McVeigh - FBI and Judge Suppressed Thousands of pages of evidence
-Caveat Lector- When I was involved with the Committee to Investigate Assassinations there was a need for books to be indexed.so I did up two books and then that was about time my house was wrecked and robbed At this time back in late 60 period computers were not that widely used and all their work (and mine) went into a computer. What is nice about indexing books - you get to read as you index..it is a time consuming thing and to get a book out fast maybe they did not have time to index. So one thing I question in the book Death of a President - you go to index and under KKK or Ku Klux Klan it says Page 69.however, when you go to page 69 the reference was deleted. So Mrs. Kennedy said her husband had been killed by a silly little communist..I agree, silly enought and nutty enough to be used as was McVeigh. Remember the KGB formed a KKK and had their rituals (are just old time masonic stuff) and got caught using KKK stationaryso who do you really believe was behind murder of JFK, MLK, RFK, and sabotaged the Apollo - for it was said Russia will beat us to the moon. So what Oklahoma? It was blown to hell to destroy the militias.and who put militias and christians on hit and hate lists? ADL - this phone bunch of liars and thieves - who took $250,000 from Marc Rich to bribe the President of the United States - all sold out pretty cheap at that. Books I indexed were on King murder Probably by publishers who were let us say, more frugal? This thing with McVeigh - he is two different people.had ever ever killed anybody in his life before? Keep thinking about the KGB in the FBI..that might explain a lot of things. Waco - who shot first? As Clinton said let them get first shot? And McVeigh took second? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] BE WARNED X984ever@hotmail.com!! VIRUS.
-Caveat Lector-
I don't see how this virus can go into the archives for 1999 and
copy part a quote from me on a post from Shannon, part of his post
then attach itself to that. And I received another with part of a
post from me replying to part of a post from Mike Spitzer with a
completely different virus attached to it, both from this same guy.
Does this mean he is unknowingly infected with two viruses?
Now before when I have received a virus, it was just that without
these old partial posts from 1999. And the one time I was infected,
my computer started doing things on its own and I could not use it
myself.
This person is posting all over the place on his Jihad and 98Koresh
lists with apparently no problems. If this is automatic, why did I
get two and Shannon only one virus? And I have receivved this week
alone BadTrans, Snow-White, BackDoor Trojan, marriage exe, one
starting WW and ending in @MM and today again the BadTrans and one
called image.gjp (not sure about last 3 characters). If his
computer has ALL of these, how does it keep working? Mine would not
with BadTrans only. I am not subscribed to hardly any lists on this
address and mail program, either, so it is not like I have great
exposure. Just lucky, I guess. :-{
~Amelia~
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[CTRL] LAPD Probe of Robert Blake Continues
-Caveat Lector-
{{It is traditional when a person is recently deceased to hold off
with trashing them, if trash them one must, until after the funeral
or burial or cremation, whatever. This poor woman was not even cold
before they started on her! Highly suspicious behavior. Combine
that with the ultathirsty husband who could not just get the
supposed left by accident gun but also had to drink not one but two
glasses of water. Was he being sure he was seen, stalling to give
the shooter time and be sure she was dead and the child did not
survive? Then he does not come back into the place he just left but
goes across the street, when he does not even know if anybody is
home, while she is bleeding in the car! This is not a person I
would want around if I were ever in this situation. And isn't this
just too like a 'Baretta' episode? I do not think he did it but was
giving a designee time to do so. I hope whomever did this is quickly
caught for the terrible things said about her. Even if every one of
them is true, this is a no-class thing to do. AKE}}
LAPD Probe of Robert Blake Continues
NewsMax.com Wires
May 10, 2001
LOS ANGELES -- A Los Angeles TV station is reporting that police say
actor Robert Blake is the main focus of their investigation into
the slaying of his wife, as she sat in the couple's car near a
restaurant where they had just eaten dinner last Friday.
In an interview with United Press International late Wednesday,
Blake's lawyer, Harland W. Braun, defended his decision to go public
with negative information about the victim, Bonnie Lee Bakley,
saying it could result in members of the public coming forward with
information about her death.
Blake - who has been questioned twice by police - told investigators
that he ran back into the restaurant when he realized he left a
loaded gun in their booth, and when he got back to the car he found
Bakley, 44, shot in the passenger seat. Bakley was taken to a nearby
hospital, where she was pronounced dead.
Publicly, police say they have not identified any suspects and do
not have a motive in the case, but KCBS-TV reported that Blake --
the star of the 1970s TV crime drama, Baretta -- is the main
focus of the investigation, and that police put little credence in
Blake's claim that he and Bakley had been concerned about a recent
series of appearances by a mysterious man near Blake's Studio City
home.
A cadre of detectives showed up at the Blake residence Wednesday
night with a search warrant and moved in as an LAPD helicopter
hovered overhead.
KABC television reported that police planned to seize a vehicle on
the premise.
As the search went on, Braun arrived on the scene and told reporters
that he was not dismayed that police were searching his client's
home despite his contention that Bakley's apparently sordid past
could have caused someone to want to kill her.
I want the LAPD to investigate Robert Blake, he said. The more
they investigate, the more they will find out that he didn't do it.
Braun and a private investigator who works for Blake said the man
began showing up outside of Blake's home about two months ago. Braun
said Blake told investigators about the man after Bakley was shot.
Speaking with reporters outside Blake's home earlier this week, the
67-year-old actor's housekeeper said her boss seemed to be afraid of
something lately.
He always says 'keep the gate locked,' and that's what I do, said
Lydia Benavides. I know he was afraid about something, because he
says, 'Keep the gate closed. Don't leave it open.'
KCBS also reported that police took the clothes Blake was wearing on
the night of the shooting, and performed a test to determine if
there was any gunpowder residue on Blake or his clothes.
If he had gunshot residue on his hand, said Braun, he'd have been
arrested by now.
Police said the results of the test had not yet been determined as
of late Wednesday. When the results are known, they will not be made
public -- but will become part of the police case file, which has
been placed under seal.
On Monday, investigators cordoned off a construction site close to
the spot where Bakley was shot and examined the property, taking an
unidentified item - possibly evidence in the case - with them. One
investigator was seen dusting a recycling container for
fingerprints.
Police are publicly questioning the strategy of Blake's lawyer in
spreading negative background information about Bakley, saying it is
unfortunate that her reputation is being damaged.
Braun defended his choice, saying it could help solve the case and
put the nature of this marriage in perspective.
You should see the stuff we have on her, said Braun.
The lawyer said he is just letting the facts out ... looking for a
clue in her background, and that the tactic has prompted many
people to contact his office.
A lot of crazies, said Braun. Some of it is fruitful.
Braun said Bakley was obsessed with becoming famous -- even if only
by becoming involved with
[CTRL] Appeal filed in bombing case (B'ham~not OKC)
-Caveat Lector- Appeal filed in bombing case BIRMINGHAM, May 10 - A former Klansman convicted of murdering four black girls in a 1963 church bombing has begun his appeals. A defense lawyer filed legal papers Thursday seeking a new trial for Thomas Blanton Jr. Blanton is challenging his conviction on more than a dozen separate issues. Those include a judge's decision to let jurors listen to secretly recorded tapes in which Blanton was heard discussing the bombing of the 16th Street Baptist Church. Blanton also claims he should get a new trial because no white males served on the jury of eight whites and four blacks that convicted him. And he says the trial should have been held somewhere other than Birmingham. Such retrial requests typically are denied. But they allow cases to move forward to appeals courts. The 62-year-old Blanton was sentenced to life in prison. MSNBC is optimized for: . Microsoft Internet Explorer . Windows Media Player . MSNBC Terms, Conditions and Privacy © 2001 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] COURT TV ONLINE - DEATH PENALTY ON TRIAL
-Caveat Lector- CourtTV has all sorts of info on death penalty. Although there is a disproportionate number of blacks prosecuted and sentenced to death, the actual description of the person most often executed is Poor, white, Southerner. The lack of representation by attorney is alarming for this region. Lots waive their right to appeal and feel hopeless. They are not a politically correct group and there is no support for them. I think James Earl Ray was also in this category. And regionally more states practice execution on a routine basis. See link below to go to CourtTV Death Penalty Special Report which will take you to more links. Depressing. Haven't enough people been killed already? I do not know if I am for or against the death penalty as I keep changing my mind. Maybe I am for it in theory but do not have the stomach for it in practice. Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 11:24 AM Subject: COURT TV ONLINE - DEATH PENALTY ON TRIAL http://www.courttv.com/news/death_penalty/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] DiscoveryNews: Alien Bacteria Said Revived
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20010507/bacteria.html Scientists Claim to Revive Alien Bacteria By Rossella Lorenzi, Discovery News May 10 — Italian researchers claim to have found conclusive evidence that life on Earth arrived from outer space. Bruno D'Argenio, a geologist working for the Italian National Research Council, and Giuseppe Geraci, professor of molecular biology at Naples University, identified and brought back to life extraterrestrial microorganisms lodged inside 4.5 billion-year-old meteorites kept at Naples' mineralogical museum. "When in contact with a physiological solution, they became visible and began to move," D'Argenio said while presenting the finding at the Italian Space Agency yesterday. The bacteria, called "cryms" (for crystal microbes) by the researchers, remained dormant for billions of years and survived extreme ambient conditions — a clear indication, according to the researchers, that "life can exist everywhere in the solar system, though in a quiescent state." Once brought back to life, the cryms were cloned by the researchers and their DNA analyzed. "Their genetic code is unlike any known on Earth," said Giovanni F. Bignami, scientific director of the Italian Space Agency. In studying the bacteria, the team found that they tend to gather in clusters. The bugs are also killed easily with antibiotics. Disputing critics who suggested that the meteorites were contaminated with terrestrial microorganisms, Bignami added that the bacteria came back to life after the samples were sterilized at 950 degrees Celsius and doused in alcohol. The discovery, if borne out, would strengthened the "panspermia" theory, first suggested by chemist Svante Aarhenius in 1900. According to this theory, outer space seeded Earth with primitive life forms about 4 billion years ago. The theory was recently supported by Noble Prize winner Francis Crick, as well as noted scientists Fred Hoyle and Chandra Wickramasinghe. "Life would have formed as an initial seed in the protoplanetary nebula from which all the planets originated. This microorganism can be found ... in planetary bodies and in the meteors fallen to Earth," said Bignami. The Italian researchers have also identified microorganisms identical to the "cryms" found in the Naples meteorites in 50 samples of billion-year-old terrestrial rocks from five continents. "I'm skeptical, very skeptical," biologist Martino Rizzotti of Padua University told the daily newspaper La Stampa. "Those bacteria seem to be too similar to the terrestrial ones. I can't avoid thinking about possible contaminations." Margherita Hack, director of the Inter-University Regional Center for Astrophysics and Cosmology in Trieste, is more positive. "It is very likely that life is spread in universe. This is an interesting result, but it requires more study to be completely accepted," she said. Today the researchers present their findings at the Accademia dei Lincei (Academy of the Lynxes) in Rome, a prestigious scholarly organization that counts Galileo Galilei among its members. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends=
[CTRL] AP: Urban Squeeze Threatens Military
-Caveat Lector- Urban Squeeze Threatens Military by CAROLYN SKORNECK Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON (AP) -- Restrictions on military training imposed by development and environmental concerns could put the lives of soldiers at greater risk when they face combat, military leaders and lawmakers say. ''A high state of readiness is critical to our ability to perform the missions assigned to us and to do so efficiently and with minimum casualties,'' Army Lt. Gen. Larry R. Ellis told the House Government Reform Committee on Wednesday. ''When we lose sight of our critical mission ... we risk tragic consequences that place in jeopardy those who have elected to serve.'' Once remote bases have seen urbanization and other development stretch to their borders, bringing with them citizens' demands for safety, less noise, good air quality and preservation of endangered and other species. That very buildup has made it difficult to separate civilians from the noise, dust and danger they want to avoid, Ellis said, because the Army cannot buy adjacent land to use as an undeveloped buffer around training areas. Instead, it must restrict the area it uses for training. ''Without realistic combat training, particularly training with live ordnance, we are unable to train our people'' adequately, said Adm. William J. Fallon, vice chief of naval operations. Even some Navy pilots learning the delicate, exacting skill of carrier landings have been forced to take aerial paths different from those they would use in combat because of citizen demands for noise reduction, said Rep. Ed Schrock, R-Va., citing two facilities in his state. Those demands prompted officials to raise the flight pattern height from the normal 600 feet to 800 feet at one station and to 1,000 feet at the other, and to change the normal direction at the latter to avoid two new housing subdivisions, he said. As a result, the pilots ''do not practice in a realistic training environment in what many say is the most critical phase of flight for a naval aviator -- landing on an aircraft carrier,'' said Schrock, a retired Navy captain. The committee chairman, Rep. Dan Burton, R-Ind., said Defense Department ranges in the United States and overseas are under siege from the land, the water and the air. And there is even encroachment on the radio spectrum, he said. ''The explosion of wireless technologies threatens to push military equipment off prime radio frequencies just as we're spending billions to link our forces on the digital battlefield,'' he said. Much of Wednesday's testimony focused on environmental laws and lawsuits stemming from them. Fallon cited complaints over sea turtles in Vieques, Puerto Rico, where live fire bombing recently resumed after a two-year stop following the death of a civilian. The Navy, which brought in thousands of the turtles, was allowed just one turtle fatality per military exercise under an agreement, Fallon said. ''It's hard to argue this stuff with a straight face because it's just so ludicrous,'' said Rep. Bob Barr, R-Ga. Fallon said a Navy exercise in the Atlantic in July was allowed to perform only 30 percent of its ordnance operations at night because they might disturb some animals. ''It might wake them up?'' said Barr. Commanders sometimes agree ''to what I consider onerous restrictions because they're out of time and need to get training done,'' Fallon said. Marine Corps Maj. Gen. Edward Hanlon Jr., the commander at Camp Pendleton, Calif., said breeding by numerous bird species along the 2 miles of Pacific Ocean beach available for training means that stretch is off-limits for half the year. So, like all of the services, they ''work around'' the problem, he said. Rep. Christopher Shays, R-Conn., declined to focus blame on environmental concerns, saying even if those ''could be resolved tomorrow, training space would still be shrinking under the accumulated weight of other challenges.'' 05/10/2001 = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer*[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not
[CTRL] AP: Many IRS Workers Spend Half Online Work Time At Porn And ChatSites
-Caveat Lector- Many IRS Workers Spend Half Online Work Time At Porn And Chat Sites By Lance Gay Scripps Howard News Service 5-10-1 WASHINGTON - A sampling of Internal Revenue Service employees found that they used about half their online time at work to visit sex sites, gamble, trade stocks, participate in chat rooms and do other nonwork-related activities, the Treasury Department's inspector general said. Pamela Gardiner, deputy inspector general for tax affairs, said her staff looked at how more than 16,000 IRS employees were using their computers during seven days over a period spanning several months. Her staff found that employees spent 8,250 hours out of 16,275 hours online -- or about 51 percent of the time -- doing personal business. Almost 23 percent were using Internet chat rooms, 20 percent were involved in looking up personal financial information, and 7 percent were shopping online. Others were found gambling or downloading pornography, she said. The IRS says it is imposing new work rules on how employees can use the Internet because of the investigation, and has installed screening software aimed at keeping employees away from sex sites. Deputy IRS Commissioner Bob Wenzel said he found the employees' Internet use improper and thanked the inspector general for bringing the matter to his attention. Senate Finance Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, says he's not satisfied with the agency's response. He noted that during this year's tax season, 37 percent of taxpayers calling the IRS for information didn't get their calls answered. Those that did get a response were given wrong answers 47 percent of the time. It's reasonable to expect a basic level of service from the IRS to taxpayers, Grassley said. He questioned whether IRS employees were letting taxpayer calls go unanswered because they are involved in personal activities online. Some IRS employees are clearly goofing off, he said. In a separate report, the IRS inspector general found that 47 percent of 82,000 e-mails coming into the IRS involved nonbusiness matters. Among the topics these e-mails covered were daily joke services, high school reunion news and information from a popular rock singer's fan site. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer*[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Fw: McVeigh execution stay possible
-Caveat Lector- Amelia asked me to forward this, she has reached her limit. Tenorlove ~ : McVeigh execution stay possible McVeigh execution stay possible Timothy McVeigh, seen in 1995 outside the Perry County Courthouse in Oklahoma, waived his rights to appeal his case. But his attorneys may still seek options to delay or halt his execution. NBC's Pete Williams discusses the possibility of a stay of execution for Timothy McVeigh with MSNBC's Lester Holt. WASHINGTON, May 9 - Timothy McVeigh's attorneys may seek to stay his execution, scheduled for next week, after learning the FBI withheld hundreds of documents from them. The lawyers told NBC News they received the documents Thursday, but had not decided what steps to take. May 10 - Joseph Hartzler, who was the lead federal prosecutor in the Timothy McVeigh case, tells NBC's Pete Williams that the convicted bomber wants to create a myth about himself. NATHAN CHAMBERS, one of McVeigh's attorneys, told NBC the defense lawyers first heard of the documents' existence Wednesday, and asked Matsch to be given a copy of the foot-high stack of papers. The lawyers said they had not gone through the documents and would not likely have any decision how to proceed before midday Friday. A defense lawyer was expected to visit McVeigh on Friday to discuss his options. McVeigh apparently was told of the development but his response was not known. He gave up his own right to appeal late last year, saying he did not want to prolong the process. Officially, a stay may be requested until two hours prior to McVeigh's death. Authorities at the federal prison in Terre Haute, Ind., where McVeigh is being held, said they planned to go forward with the schedule for the execution until told to do otherwise. Advertisement An FBI spokesman told CBS News, which first reported the withholding of the documents, the agency had no idea why the papers were not turned over earlier and planned an internal probe of the matter. The documents were only recently discovered in storage, NBC's Pete Williams reported. The FBI informed the Justice Department, which then told U.S. District Judge Richard Matsch, who presided over McVeigh's 1997 trial. The missing documents primarily are what are known as 302 reports, filed by FBI agents to document details of an investigation or the results of an interrogation. Tens of thousands of 302s were filed during the investigation of the 1995 blast in Oklahoma City, which killed 168. It is believed about 200 reports were not passed to the defense, many of them containing testimony from witnesses at the scene of the bombing. IMPACT UNCLEAR It is not clear whether the new documents would have helped McVeigh's case, nor is it clear that having them withheld by the FBI would be grounds for an appeal. However, it is possible McVeigh's lawyers could ask to halt his execution, scheduled for next Wednesday, while the impact of the new evidence is considered. Even so, federal standards to halt an impending execution remain difficult to meet. McVeigh's attorneys would have to show that the documents would likely sway a jury's opinion if his case were heard again. Unless the reports contain material that significantly casts doubt on McVeigh's guilt, it would be difficult to convince a panel of federal judges that McVeigh's case deserves another hearing. Federal sources told NBC's Williams the documents contain nothing material to McVeigh's case. Still, the defense may file a habeas corpus petition to halt McVeigh's death until a court determines the documents' import. Attorney Jeralyn Merritt, McVeigh's local co-counsel during his trial, assessed the odds for MSNBC Cable: Whether or not a stay would be granted, pretty good. As to whether he would prevail on motion for a new trial, probably not high. But who can say until we read these reports: Suppose someone says they saw someone else at the site of the bombing? McVeigh himself essentially admitted his role in the bombing, according to his biography published earlier this year. He was convicted two years after the April 19, 1995, bombing. He would be the first federal inmate executed since 1963. About 200 survivors and victims' relatives are scheduled to watch his execution via closed-circuit television. MSNBC.com's Jon Bonné, NBC's Pete Williams, Suzanne Malveaux and Stephanie Becker, and The Associated Press contributed to this report.blocks ban __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed.
[CTRL] Is China/America hacker truce a hoax?
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Re: [CTRL] Trojan Horses
-Caveat Lector- The case of convicted Israeli spy Jonathan Jay Pollard has again reared its ugly head. American Jewish groups, Hollywood celebrities and Israel have renewed pressure on the besieged Clinton administration to free the man they call the Jewish Dreyfus. Pollard has served 13 years of a life sentence. What a load of horseshit. Drefus was Jewish, which is the only reason anyone has ever heard of the case. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Ruger recalls gun locks (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 08:40:50 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gunsafe members [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Ruger recalls gun locks http://news.findlaw.com/ap/o/1110/5-10-2001/20010510015306550.html WASHINGTON (AP) _ A Connecticut company is recalling 1.2 million padlocks and 800,000 cable gun locks that can be opened with the wrong keys or if struck. Sturm, Ruger Co. Inc. of Southport has received three reports of people opening the padlocks without using the keys that go with them, the Consumer Product Safety Commission said Wednesday. No injuries have been reported. Ruger distributed the padlocks with its pistols and revolvers from 1987 until 1995. The cable locks were distributed with its rifles and shotguns from 1998 until March 2001. People with questions may call the company at 1-888-317-6887.. For replacements, they can send the padlocks and cable locks to Sturm, Ruger Co. Inc., Dept. LK, 411 Sunapee St., Newport, NH 03773. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Ruger recalls gun locks (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- I've heard stories (although how reliable I'm not sure) that a lot of handcuffs will open if you give them a hard whack with something. It's quite possible, as a lot of locks are suceptible to kinetic force, causing the mechanisms in them to release etc. Of course the proper way to pick handcuffs, or so I've read, is not via the keyhole but by sliding a piece of thin wire in between the 'cogs' of the locking mechanism, which can then release them. Could come in handy some day if your dominatrix misplaces her keys A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] South Pacific states to adopt uniform gun ban (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- The Australian way: In case of civil war, make sure the innocent can't defend themselves. http://www.theage.com.au/news/2001/05/11/FFXYISIEJMC.html Push for uniform gun laws in Pacific By GREG ROBERTS BRISBANE Friday 11 May 2001 South Pacific nations are set to adopt gun controls similar to those in Australia, after a three-day meeting that ends in Brisbane today. The Federal Government signalled yesterday that Australian laws may need to be modified to achieve a uniform gun-control system in the increasingly troubled region. Key changes proposed by South Pacific delegates, such as stricter limitations on the ownership of semi-automatic and automatic weapons, are similar to those introduced in Australia after the Port Arthur massacre. The ease of access to high-powered weapons has exacerbated regional unrest, including the 10-year civil war on Bougainville and the Solomon Islands conflict. Officials from South Pacific island states have agreed to draw up laws for their countries within a regional framework. Australia wants the framework formally adopted at the next South Pacific Islands Forum meeting in Nauru in August. But delegates admitted that the laws would not be able to tackle the region's central gun-control problem - the role of ill-disciplined police and military personnel. Kini Keteca, legal adviser to the Fiji Police Force, said the laws would be limited because they would not restrict police and military access to firearms, but he praised plans to reduce the broader population's access to weapons. Pacific Islands regional coordinator for the Australian Federal Police Terry Allen said the laws could not directly deal with the underlying causes of many of the region's problems, such as urban drift, unemployment and inequitable access to government services. What we can do is to have a better control of weapons which probably allows the political processes to deal with some of the issues, Mr Allen said. At the end of the day we can probably do away with some of the large numbers of guns in the region. That has to be a good thing. Department of Foreign Affairs spokesman David Apps said the laws would restrict access to official armories. The Solomon Islands conflict, for instance, intensified when the Malaita Eagle Force seized police weapons. Mr Apps said Australia may need to modify its gun laws to achieve regional uniformity. The hope would be that we will not be required to alter our legislation in any dramatic way, he said. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Greek and Latin
Free Congress Foundation's Notable News Now Excerpts from FCF Programming and Other FCF Projects May 11, 2001 The Free Congress Commentary Pope John Paul II Still Trying to Unite Greek and Latin Churches by Nicholas Sanchez Despite the fact that his health betrays the fact that he is now in the closing days of his pontificate, His Holiness John Paul II seems committed to pushing forward with his dream of a united Christiandom. His recent trip to Greece, Syria and Malta allowed him to make an attempt to reunite the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches (the two largest bodies of Christians in the world) after nearly a thousand years of separation. However, as it has been every time the pope has made moves to reconcile these two bodies, the results of his most recent efforts are decidedly mixed and do not seem to offer any real hope for reunion anytime soon. To show the hard feelings that still linger between the Latin and Greek Churches, many faithful of the Orthodox Christian Church in Greece -- including many monks -- took to the streets to protest his visit. It was reported that some of the more enthusiastic protesters labeled the Pope an arch-heretic. And before his arrival, the monks of Mount Athos -- an island made up of various Orthodox monasteries often called the Holy Mountain -- held all-night vigils of prayer against the pope's impending visit. However, Archbishop Christodoulos, the reigning hierarch of Greece, allowed the visit to occur...and the Pope was able to make his pilgrimage, which he billed as an attempt to re-trace the steps of St. Paul. (St. Paul the Apostle, of course, is the Jewish convert to Christianity who converted on the road to Damascus. After his conversion, he spread the Gospel in Athens, among other places, and later went on to Rome and martyrdom.) While in Greece, the pope was met by Christodoulos and made an official apology to him and all Orthodox Christians for the Roman Church's sack of Constantinople during the time of the Crusades. Up until the Second Vatican Council, Catholics were commonly taught that the Crusades were one of the most glorious epochs in Church history. However, as more than one Orthodox commentator has made note of, the problems that exist between Orthodoxy and Catholicism cannot be attributed solely to historical mistakes. There are theological questions that have not been settled between the East and West. And there are also political questions that right now make re-approachment difficult right now. For instance, after visiting Greece, His Holiness made his way to Syria. While there he went to the Omayyad Mosque -- becoming the first Roman Pontiff to ever enter a Muslim mosque. He also became the first Successor to St. Peter to ever pray in such a temple. And this was not just any mosque either. The Omayyad Mosque in Damascus, Syria is built over the ground where the head of St. John the Baptist, tradition holds, is laid. While the pope's visiting a mosque raised eyebrows among conservative and traditionalist Catholics, it certainly did not do anything to strengthen relations with the Orthodox, with whom he had just previously met with. The majority of Orthodox Christians live in the Middle East and in the Slavic lands. These are countries where the large majority of the people are either Eastern Orthodox or Muslim. And anyone who has picked up a newspaper in the last couple of years should well realize that the relationship between the Orthodox and Muslims has not been particularly good lately. Whether it has been the war in Kosovo against Serbia or the Chechnyian rebels and their campaign against Russia, ancient rivalries are running strong today. Naturally many Orthodox will be offended by the Pope running from them to the arms of the Muslims; almost as if to say that the Orthodox and Muslims are held in the same regard by the See of Rome. This leads one to wonder why a politically savvy a pope as John Paul would pay special homage to the shrine of a religion that even one of his own Cardinals has called the enemy of Christianity? This is especially confusing when you consider that this Pope has said from the very beginning of his pontificate that he wished to see an end to the schism between East and West. There is no doubt that Pope John Paul II is a holy man. There is no doubt that he will and should be remembered by Catholics and non-Catholics alike as one of the great opponents against the pernicious Communist state. And there is certainly no doubt that he has outstretched his arms to the Orthodox Christians. However, the one question mark that will loom large after he has passed from this life is how much he actually did for relations between the Catholics and the Orthodox ... whether he was an agent of reconciliation or an overreaching ecumenist. Nicholas Sanchez is the Free Congress Foundation's Director of Development. For media inquiries, contact Notra Trulock 202.546.3000 / [EMAIL
[CTRL] Beware of the Cell Phone Cops (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- conservativeinfo - Subscribe to the Conservative Information email list at http://conservativeinfo.listbot.com Beware of the Cell Cops Another overblown hazard. By Adam Thierer, director of telecommunications studies at the Cato Institute May 10, 2001 9:05 a.m. You may soon be ticketed for using a cell phone in your car. Hundreds of bills have been introduced in state and municipal legislatures across America in recent years that make talking on a cell phone while driving a crime. So far, few such bills have become law. But the U.S. House Transportation Subcommittee on Highways and Transit held a hearing on the issue this week, and the anti-cell phone nannies are lobbying hard. With cell-phone use exploding in recent years (more than 115 million wireless subscribers today), it is not surprising that these devices would cause some problems. But how big of a problem does cell-phone use in cars pose? The results may surprise you. The AAA Foundation of Traffic Safety has released the results of a new study in which the group analyzed 26,000 traffic accidents to determine what factors contributed to those accidents. Among the top causes were: outside objects, persons, or events (19.7% of accidents surveyed); eating and drinking in the car (18.8%); adjusting the radio, cassette, or CD player (11.4%); and distractions caused by other occupants in the vehicle (9.4%). The less significant causes listed by the survey were: moving objects in the vehicle (3.2 %); using or dialing on a cell phone (1.5%); using other devices in vehicle (1.4%); adjusting climate controls (1.2%); and smoking-related distractions (1.2%). Compared to using a cell phone, it is 12 times more likely you will cause an accident by snacking in the car and eight times more likely you may cause an accident by toying with your car stereo. It would make more sense for policymakers to ban eating Big Macs and listening to Britney Spears in our cars than it would to ban cell phone use. This is not to say, however, that using a cell phone while driving doesn't pose some degree of risk. And this threat, critics argue, is likely to grow as cell-phone use grows. But while new technologies often introduce new problems into society, still newer technologies typically come along to solve those problems. For example, hands-free cellular devices, which employ an earpiece and a clip-on microphone, are on the market and widely used by motorists. One-button speed-dialing, an option on almost all phones, enables drivers to place calls without having to dial a series of numbers. And voice-activated calling is right around to corner. This will allow drivers to simply say call home and let the phone do the rest. Imposing burdensome restrictions on cell phone use in cars, therefore, is unnecessary and may cost lives by having the unintended consequence of discouraging drivers from carrying a cell phone in their car. With an estimated 118,000 emergency calls placed by cell phone users every day, the life-saving applications of cell phones are well established. If a ban were to discourage drivers from carrying phones in their cars, the costs would likely outweigh the benefits. On a more practical note, it is difficult to understand how such a ban would be enforced. Where will policymakers draw the line? Since snacking behind the wheel and playing with your car stereo are more distracting and dangerous than cell phone use, should legislators ban those activities first? What about arguing with you spouse or kids in the car? Should that be policed? And what about the CB radios truckers still use? There's a simpler way to approach this problem from a public-policy perspective: Don't try to ban technologies (cell phones, radios, CBs, etc.) or specific activities (conversations, singing, smoking, etc.) inside the cabin of an automobile. Instead, simply enforce those laws already on the books dealing with reckless or negligent driving. If a driver is weaving in and out of traffic lanes, or posing a serious threat to others on the road for any reason, they should be pulled over and probably ticketed if the infraction is serious enough. In conclusion, a degree of patience and humility is necessary by policymakers. It is impossible to legislate a 100% risk-free society into existence. Technology is solving a problem it created. Turning our nation's law enforcement officers into a cellular SWAT team in the meantime will only deter them from policing more dangerous activities while threatening to further erode our personal liberties. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum
[CTRL] Konformist: slavery: a capitalist parable (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Please send as far and wide as possible. Thanks, Robert Sterling Editor, The Konformist http://www.konformist.com http://www.disinfo.com/pages/article/id1189/pg1/ slavery: a capitalist parable by Mickey Z ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - May 09, 2001 Editor's Note: Mickey Z (Michael Zezima) is the author of Saving Private Power: The Hidden History of The Good War (Soft Skull Press, 2000). He also contributed a chapter called Saving Private Power to You Are Being Lied To (New York: Disinfo Books, 2001), edited by Russ Kick. In the most remote regions of Brazil, slave labor is employed to cut down grand swaths of the precious rain forest to make room to grow eucalyptus which is then burned by male slaves (who exploit the body, mind, and spirit of female slaves forced into prostitution) to make charcoal for the steel mills of Brazil where the poorest of the poor toil for wages that do not sustain them so that steel can be shipped to a General Motors plant in Mexico (GM is now the largest employer south of the US border) where the poorest of the poor endure maquiladora conditions so these automobile parts can then be shipped to a GM plant in the US (roughly 50 percent of what is termed trade consists of business transactions between branches of the same transnational corporation) where even the poorest of the poor proudly take on imposing debt to possess a car Made in the USA so they can clog the highways that were paved over inestimable eco-systems, filling the air with noxious pollution as they make their way to the drive-through window of and anti-union fast food restaurant that purchased the beef of slaughtered cattle that once grazed on land cleared by male slaves who exploit the body, mind, and spirit of female slaves in the most remote regions of Brazil. If you are interested in a free subscription to The Konformist Newswire, please visit: http://www.eGroups.com/list/konformist Or, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject: I NEED 2 KONFORM!!! (Okay, you can use something else, but it's a kool catch phrase.) Visit the Klub Konformist at Yahoo!: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/klubkonformist Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Foals, Fetuses Mysteriously Dying
-Caveat Lector- I don't know what is causing this nor why THIS spring. I wonder if chemtrails might be rendering the grass poisonous. But then, it would everywhere else, too. My vet gives me 8 pills to give my little female dogs to prevent pregnancy so that I can time when I want a litter of puppies. I asked him if it was like the RU486 and he said it was not but what else could it be? It is administered beginning of the third day of visible estrus and for eight days and so far has worked except that the period of time between estrus is reduced to three months instead of the usual 6 months. This thing with the horses is apparently long after conception so I do not know what it is. Lots of show horses around here so I will ask when I see the owners if this is happening here, too. Is it happening elsewhere or just Kentucky? ~Amelia~ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Chinese Company Will Make RU 486 Abortion Drug
Note in this item the USA has invested millions in this outfit - also the Rockefeller Foundation in on the kill too which leaves us with Henry Kissinger - short, dumpy, the man who would corner market on food, and now maybe the beef, and then he corners market on life itself? With his Indonesian gold interests in all he wants to hog the world? Here is interesting item on the Company that would produce the means, deadlier than any gun could ever be - to kill for profit. Always cui bono... Abortions may be necessary evil but the abortion clinics were such that this idea became intolerable to some - toss in the baby body parts for further profit. Saba SHANGHAI HUA LIAN PHARMACEUTICAL CO., LTD It was established in 1939, is one of the 100 top key pharmaceutical enterprises which are the largest ones in Chinese Pharma Circles. The enterprise is the production base which specilizes in producing bulk high steroidal hormones, antineoplastic agents, contraceptives and their finished products. The factory complies with GMP standard in China. There is a group of technical staffs with rich strength. The company have six branch factories and a Research Institute to develop new drugs. The products of about 100 varieties have a big share in domestic market through the well-developed national sales network: by itself. And has been developed many markets for Europe, America and Asia etc. . In recent years, Hua Lian Pharma adheres to the importance attached to high technology products for the development. The new-developed hi-tech products are the main pillar in our factory, and the value accounts for more than 80 percent in total sales. The exploration for a series of new drugs for anti-infectives, controlled release pharmaceuticals and biological genetic engineerings which rank advanced level, which has been attached to the R D of the company . [Saba Note - $30 million investment wonder if Richie Rich got in on this one along with Soros - big bucks, murder for profit is part of the game anyway] The Pu Dong new plant of Hua Lian Pharma with investment of 30 million U.S.Dollars is larger and more sophisticated, which has been put into production in 1996 and complies with international GMP standard. It covers an area of 80,000 square metre. From the new production base it will bring possibilities to quickly commercialize the hi-tech products. It is our brief that Hua Lian Pharma presented the update advanced level will abruptly in Chinese Pharma Circles, therefore it will undoubtedly bring rare good opportunity of the possible collaborations for foreign investor who would like to cooperate with Hua Lian Pharma. ADD: 370 XI JIANG WAN ROAD SHANGHAI TEL: (86-21)56667887 65401680-3039 FAX: (86-21)56667387 ZIP: 200083 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Copyright, © 1996- 1997 Huawang Information Technology Development (Shanghai) Co., Ltd. All rights reserved. http://www.china-mart.com ITEM NUMBER TWO Did Clinton Seal this Deal Too - Chinese Company Will Make RU 486 Abortion Drug Shanghai, China -- The Hua Lian Pharmaceutical factory emerges from fields of sorghum and green onions an hour's drive south of downtown Shanghai. At quitting time, workers board company buses that take them back to the city. Others leave on bicycles, pedaling toward nearby villages along narrow lanes dotted with oxen. Despite the tranquil appearance, the Hua Lian plant is a secret factory of sorts. Its name and location are shielded not by Chinese authorities, but by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, which two weeks ago approved the sale of a product that workers here are preparing to churn out for the American marketthe dangerous abortion drug RU-486. Pro-abortion supporters of RU-486 have for years sought a manufacturer to produce it for the U.S. market, ever since boycott threats by pro-life advocates led the abortion drug's French developers to renounce U.S. production in 1992. For eight years, no pharmaceutical company would develop it for sale in the United States. So when the FDA announced it had approved the sale of RU-486, it took the unprecedented step of refusing to disclose the name or location of the manufacturer. The abortion drug's U.S. distributor, Danco Laboratories, also refused to identify the firm. [Saba Note - More Clinton Legacy as if his blood trail in sale of HIV/AIDS blood to the innocents was not enough] However, several Chinese officials and the head of a Bangkok-based foundation that has worked closely with the company confirmed today that Hua Lian Pharmaceutical Company will produce the drug for the United States. Pro-life Rep. Christopher Smith (R-NJ) denounced the arrangement in China, a country he has accused of committing crimes against humanity for requiring abortions as a population control measure. The company that produces baby poison for enforced abortion in China will now be producing it for American women, said Smith. The Chinese government will make
Re: [CTRL] LAPD Probe of Robert Blake Continues
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{{It is traditional when a person is recently deceased to hold off
with trashing them, if trash them one must, until after the funeral
or burial or cremation, whatever. This poor woman was not even cold
before they started on her! Highly suspicious behavior. Combine
that with the ultathirsty husband who could not just get the
supposed left by accident gun but also had to drink not one but two
glasses of water. Was he being sure he was seen, stalling to give
the shooter time and be sure she was dead and the child did not
survive? Then he does not come back into the place he just left but
goes across the street, when he does not even know if anybody is
home, while she is bleeding in the car! This is not a person I
would want around if I were ever in this situation. And isn't this
just too like a 'Baretta' episode? I do not think he did it but was
giving a designee time to do so. I hope whomever did this is quickly
caught for the terrible things said about her. Even if every one of
them is true, this is a no-class thing to do. AKE}}
Yes, Amelia, the spouse is always the prime suspect until the police can rule
them out. And you are correct, the husbands behaviour is extremely bizzare. I
have great difficulty with the thought that someone carring a sidearm could
leave it a restaurant.
Is the husband the only suspect? I don't think so, her lifestyle made her
many enemies.
Bill H
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[CTRL] A modest proposal
-Caveat Lector- Hello! Well it's been almost 3 days since I posted my ami an extremist? and no response from Steve Wingate. What's the matter? Your buzzword generator not working? Well anyway, you might ask what is your modest proposal? Well my modest proposal involves what these watermelon environmental groups can do to promote their weird notions of environmental wackoism in a constitutional manner! Why don't these groups voluntaraliy move to some pristine wilderness area and use all of their proposals and develop a demonstration community that is environmentally friendly? And if living in caves, herding sheep and eating raw vegtables is appealling to other people, then people are perfectly free to join them. And of course I would stipulate that these wackos would of course leave people like me alone who favors suburban sprawl, nuclear power, all of the pro production proposals I made in my energy independence artilce alone, and we all would live happilly ever after? Anything wrong with this? An inquiring mind would like to know! Bill Bacon visit my web site at http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon My ICQ# is 79071904 for a precise list of the powers of the Federal Government linkto: http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon/Enumerated.html A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Justice Department Wants McVeigh Delay
-Caveat Lector- www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20010511/aponline105907_000.htm Friday, May 11, 2001; 10:59 a.m. EDT Justice Department Wants McVeigh Delay By Ron Fournier AP White House Correspondent WASHINGTON -- Justice Department lawyers have recommended that Attorney General John Ashcroft delay the execution of convicted Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh for 30 days, two government officials said Friday. The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Attorney General John Ashcroft was expected to approve the request later Friday. The recommendation came one day after the FBI disclosed that it had failed to turn over documents to McVeigh's defense. McVeigh, 33, is scheduled to die Wednesday at a federal prison in Terre Haute, Ind. The belated uncovering of the documents embarrassed the government and angered victims and their families. But it was not immediately clear whether McVeigh -- who had waived appeals in the past few months and claimed responsibility for the bombing -- would himself now seek a delay. We needed this death penalty, said Aren Almon Kok, whose baby daughter came to symbolize the 1995 blast through a photograph of her lifeless body in the arms of a firefighter. For someone to make this mistake ... to find them less than a week before he dies ... is unbelievably unfair, she said in Oklahoma City. The Justice Department handed McVeigh's lawyers 3,135 documents it said should have been provided during the discovery phase of his 1997 trial in Denver. The existence of the documents was disclosed Thursday by CBS. Kathleen Treanor, who lost her 4-year-old daughter and in-laws in the April 19, 1995, bombing, criticized the FBI as bungling the case and giving McVeigh the chance to extend his life. I'm appalled, she said. The FBI knew from the very beginning that this was a huge case. How could they have possibly made a mistake this huge? In a letter to McVeigh's attorneys, the Justice Department said the documents consist of FBI reports, including interview notes known as 302s, and photocopies of physical evidence such as photographs, written correspondence and tapes. The documents came from 45 FBI offices in the United States and one in Paris. A lawyer familiar with the case told The Associated Press that the materials contain information generated by thousands of phone calls made to the FBI after the bombing. They range from identifying a composite drawing of a possible suspect known as John Doe No. 2 to claims of seeing McVeigh elsewhere on the day of the bombing. Legal analysts said the mistake could delay what would be the first federal execution since 1963, though it was unlikely to overturn McVeigh's conviction. An attorney for McVeigh said the materials may prompt a request for a stay. We're considering all our options, McVeigh lawyer Nathan Chambers said after the documents were delivered to his office in Denver. Chambers spoke to McVeigh about the documents, but he declined to elaborate except to say he couldn't rule anything out yet. Asked Friday on CBS' The Early Show whether McVeigh would seek a stay, he said: The honest question to that is we don't know at this point. There are a number of options that may be available to Mr. McVeigh, and we have a lot of work to do. He gave a similar answer when asked if McVeigh would fight if the government sought a stay. Another McVeigh attorney, Rob Nigh, arrived Thursday night in Indiana. In a recently published book, McVeigh claimed sole responsibility for the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, which killed 168 people and injured hundreds. Since December, when he first asked to end his appeals, he had not shown any interest in fighting his conviction or death sentence. McVeigh's trial judge, U.S. District Judge Richard Matsch of Denver, could not be reached for comment. Court clerk James Manspeaker said the defense would have to go to the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, also in Denver, to file a motion to consider new evidence. Matsch planned no action unless an appeal is filed. If something is filed he'll take a look at it, Manspeaker said. The legal standard for granting such a motion requires the court to determine the verdict could have been different if the jury had been allowed to see the documents. The prosecution proved everything to me, said McVeigh juror Doug Carr, 45. If there was something left out that's in those files, I don't think it was that significant. McVeigh's former trial lawyer, Stephen Jones, said he wouldn't be surprised if the execution was stayed until the documents are reviewed. There could be a benign interpretation and it could all be irrelevant, Jones said. On the other hand, it could be a malignant failure to turn over. The Justice Department said
[CTRL] Ashcroft delays McVeigh execution
-Caveat Lector- Attorney General Ashcroft delays McVeigh execution Attorney General John Ashcroft decided today to delay the execution of convicted Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh after the FBI revealed it had failed to turn over documents to the defense team. Ashcroft made the announcement in an afternoon news conference. http://www.dallasnews.com/latestnews/364224_mcveigh11e.html A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Government to Postpone McVeigh Execution
-Caveat Lector- http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14758-2001May11.html Friday, May 11, 2001; 12:27 PM Government to Postpone McVeigh Execution By Lois Romano Washington Post Staff Writer The Justice Department will today postpone Timothy McVeigh's scheduled May 16 execution in order to give both his lawyers and the government time to review 3,000 pages of documents discovered by the FBI this week. The delay will likely be about 30 days, according to government sources. It's a matter of equity, a government source said. We dropped the ball, and we're not going to rush for a deadline. It is still a strong possibility that McVeigh could be the first federal execution in 38 years, although there is another federal inmate scheduled to be executed in mid-June. In an astonishing development, just six days before McVeigh was to die for blowing up a federal building in Oklahoma City, the government on Thursday turned over voluminous materials to defense lawyers that it says were mistakenly withheld from defense prior to McVeigh's 1997 trial. McVeigh was convicted and condemned to death in June of 1997 for detonating a truck bomb in front of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building which killed 168 people on April 19, 1995. His co-conspirator Terry Nichols was convicted in a separate trial of lesser charges. Since the Bureau of Prisons set the May 16 date for the execution, it can postpone the date without consulting the courts. Federal sources say Justice is considering a delay of anywhere from 30 to 120 days. Attorney General John Ashcroft has scheduled a news conference for this afternoon at which he may make an announcement about a stay. Meanwhile, McVeigh's attorney Rob Nigh is meeting with client his at the federal penitentiary in Terre Haute, Ind., this morning to explore options, which would including petitioning the 10th circuit court of appeals for a stay of execution. Based on what they have said, I would be amazed if [Justice] is not seriously considering [a postponement], said Nigh, in an interview. It will take an extensive amount of time to go over all these documents. Although McVeigh in December abandoned all his appeals, Nigh said his client is willing to listen, and that requesting a stay is certainly an option. The materials contain witness interviews, reports and correspondence, plus photographs and tapes. Sources said that a number of the so-called 302 forms, which are official reports of interviews conducted by FBI agents around the country, pertain to John Doe No. 2, a suspect who was described by witnesses soon after the blast but who never materialized. Government officials continued to insist today that the materials will not in any way exonerate McVeigh, who has admitted to blowing up the Murrah Federal Building. The officials also maintained that based on one of the largest and most extensive investigations in history, there is still no indication that any one else was involved. We have every indication there was not anyone else involved, said Joseph Hartzler, who prosecuted the case for the government. That [conclusion comes] from the videotape at McDonalds when he arrived alone right before he rented the Ryder truck, when he purchased a car alone, and the fact that he and Nichols bought telephone debit card that no one else used. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [Fwd: You have a right to a firearm]
- SNETNEWS Mailing List http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=22786 You have a right to a firearm © 2001 WorldNetDaily.com So long as there are idiots out there who are trying to convince people to disarm themselves so they can be maimed or killed by violent criminals, I will fulfill my journalistic duty to remind folks that they don't necessarily have to become a statistic if they don't want to. You have a constitutional right to own a firearm -- handgun, shotgun, rifle -- if you so choose. And, like all our other rights -- free speech, freedom of religion, the right to avoid self-incrimination -- your right to own a gun cannot be infringed, taken away, banned, limited, or ignored. You may not agree with or like Buddhism, Wicca or Islam, but in America you don't have the right to forbid people from observing or practicing those religions. You may not agree with or like what WorldNetDaily or Rush Limbaugh or Bill Clinton or the New York Times has to say, but you don't have the right to order them to shut down or shut up. Consequently, you can belong to all the million mom or handgun control groups you want, but you don't have the right to forbid, limit, or ban persons from buying and owning firearms. It's as much a constitutional right as any other. Maybe too few people realize this because too few schools provide kids with proper constitutional instruction. I know of and have heard of teachers who badmouth and ridicule the Second Amendment just because they personally don't like guns. Ironically, however, they use their First Amendment right of free speech to trash the Second. Or maybe it's because too few media pinheads have a clue about the proper constitutional rights and responsibilities of citizens and government alike. I know of lots of journalists who would rather be invited to parties held by anti-liberty minded politicians than remind their readers of their right to own a firearm. Or maybe it's because too many communities ban or severely restrict access to guns while too many judges and lawmakers let these communities get by with it. I know of lots of local big fish who are of the mind that they should be dictators of their own little domain and should have the right to restrict gun rights (and others) at their leisure or whim. But whatever the reason, the one irrefutable fact of the matter is this: Americans do now and have always had the right to keep and bear arms, because our Constitution says we can -- and there isn't a damned thing gun opponents can do about it. Or rather, there shouldn't be anything they can do about it. Far too many federal, state and local politicians and judges are just as anti-gun, all-controlling and hypocritical about the Constitution and the rights it guarantees we the people. Oddly, they will let kids view pornography on the Internet but are against letting a 100-pound woman carry a gun in her purse so she can defend herself against a 220-pound male rapist. My guess is if more lawmakers and judges were attacked, beaten or raped, they'd suddenly see the wisdom of the Second Amendment. I'm not advocating that, mind you, but unless you've been in that kind of situation, it's very easy to deny others the right to defend themselves -- especially if you're personally surrounded with a boatload of armed personal bodyguards or cops. People should understand that while some anti-gun advocates really believe what they are doing is right, their efforts to make sure you're unarmed are inherently more dangerous to you than guns themselves. Criminals love helpless, hapless victims. Always have, always will; the more helpless, the better. Consequently, the more gun control laws anti-gunners convince lawmakers to pass and judges to uphold, the more violence and deaths our society will suffer because lawbreaking maniacs don't care much about laws -- against guns or anything else -- in the first place. The cardinal rule of safety that you should follow is this: You should never let someone who is not responsible for you determine what's best for your personal safety. Also, even if you don't like guns you shouldn't be willing to accept limitations or bans on them because sooner or later, somebody will get around to limiting or banning other constitutional rights you do approve of. If anti-gun proponents want to disarm themselves, tell everyone they see that they're disarmed and post a sign in their front yard that says, Don't worry -- I don't have a gun, that's their business. And their right. But if any group or politician seeks to infringe upon, limit or ban the right to keep and bear arms, remind them they have no right to do so. You can use your First Amendment right of government redress to do the reminding, as well as your constitutional right to vote. Jon E. Dougherty is a staff reporter and columnist for
[CTRL] New Houston Chronicle Poll: What's the best weapon in the drug war?
-Caveat Lector- Please vote! www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/topstory2/906380 The Houston Chronicle is conducting a poll (What's the best weapon in the drug war?). Current stats: More police: 2% Tougher jail sentences: 19% Anti-drug education for kids: 16% More access to drug rehabilitation: 10% Legalization of drugs: 50% Total Votes:268 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Disclsoure project meets with Congress
-Caveat Lector- WASHINGTON, D.C. - The Disclosure Project - whose legislative agenda includes open hearings, a ban on space-based weapons, and a comprehensive plan for cooperative, peaceful space development, - continues meeting with Members of Congress. If you support these goals, please begin contacting your two U.S. Senators and your Congressperson urging them to support Open Hearings on the Disclosure agenda. You can also start public petitions for signing by your friends, at malls, at work, etc. These can in turn be faxed or mailed to your Members of Congress. Political constituency pressure does work! You can find the name, phone, fax, and email address of your two Senators and your Congressperson at: http://www.senate.gov http://www.house.gov Petition forms, Congressional addresses, etc.can be found at: http://www.disclosureproject.org Dr. Steven Greer, director of the Disclosure Project, issued this statement: OVER 250,000 PEOPLE WERE LINED UP TO GO ON LINE AS THE NATIONAL PRESS CLUB EVENT BEGAN AT 9 AM ON MAY 9, 2001 - THE LARGEST WEBCAST AUDIENCE IN THE HISTORY OF THE NATIONAL PRESS CLUB IN WASHINGTON DC. TO DATE, APPOXIMATELY 1 BILLION PEOPLE WORLD WIDE HAVE HEARD OF THE EVENT AND SUPPORT IS GROWING FOR HEARINGS. TEAM HAS MET WITH OVER 2 DOZEN SENATE AND HOUSE MEMBERS AND STAFF WITH WITNESSES PRESENT. URGENT THAT ALL CONCERNED WRITE THEIR 2 SENATORS AND THEIR HOUSE REPRESENTATIVE AND ASK FOR IMMEDIATE OPEN HEARINGS ON THE UFO MATTER. INFORM THEM THAT WE NEED LEGISLATION TO BAN SPACE WEAPONS AND A RELEASE OF ADVANCED ENERGY AND PROPULSION SYSTEMS THAT WILL SOLVE THE ENERGY CRISIS AND END GLOBAL WARMING AND POLLUTION. SEE WWW.DISCLOSUREPROJECT.ORG. FOLLOW UP FAX LETTER WITH PERSONAL CALL TO YOUR SENATORS AND REP. MORE TO FOLLOW. STEVEN M. GREER MD DIRECTOR, THE DISCLOSURE PROJECT === Live Webcast Archive: http://www.disclosureproject.org U.S. Congress - Hearings Ban on Space-Based Weapons http://www.ecologynews.com/cuenews21.html DISCLOSURE PROJECT MAINSTREAM NEWS COVERAGE: MSNBC: UFO GROUP WANTS X-FILES OPENED http://www.msnbc.com/news/463318.asp UPI - Private Project Pushes for UFO Hearings http://my.cnn.com/jbcl/cnews/Go?template=otmDetStoryart_id=6773557uid=989495 230244page_exclude=1 BBC: UFO SPOTTERS SLAM 'U.S. COVER-UP' http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1322000/1322432.stm INDEPENDENT - U.K.:CONFESSIONS OF A UFO SPOTTER: WE DON'T WANT A WAR IN SPACE http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=71356 ABC NEWS: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/scitech/DailyNews/ufo010509.html From Yahoo: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/abc/20010509/ts/ufo010509_1.html http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/wjla/20010509/lo/panel_calls_for_con gressional_ufo_hearings_1.html http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/abc/20010509/pl/ufo010509_1.html from AP/UPI: http://www.vny.com/cf/news/upidetail.cfm?QID=184467 http://www.vny.com/cf/news/upidetail.cfm?QID=183316 ( bottom story) from fox news: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,24364,00.html WASHINGTON POST: ALIENS AND UFOs: THE LIKELY SCENARIO http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/nation/columns/roughdraft/A4199-2001May9. html WASHINGTON POST: UFO BELIEVERS SIGHTED HERE! http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6968-2001May9.html TV Coverage (More available): CNN Headline News, every hour at 26 min past, FOX news ran the story live three times, and BBC World News covered it during their 7:00 broadcast. Alfred Webre - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Alfred Webre for information and action on Congressional Hearings and Legislation. _ EcoNews Service http://www.ecologynews.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vancouver, BC V6M1V8 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] McVeigh execution halt and his claim of military/CIA drug smuggling activity
Remember the FBI interrogation of Tim Mc Veigh's sister Jennifer, in which the FBI interrogators told her that she *could be executed for treason* if she failed to cooperate? NEW EVIDENCE IN McVEIGH LETTERS OF U.S. INVOLVMENT IN INTERNATIONAL DRUG DEALING AND OTHER CRIMES http://home.earthlink.net/~founders/hotnews0798.htm ...New July 1, 1998 Today's New York Times publishes excerpts from a letter Timothy McVeigh wrote to his sister Jennifer on October 20, 1993. In that letter, McVeigh confided that he was stunned by what happened in 1991, when he arrived at Fort Bragg, North Carolina after being accepted for elite Special Forces training: ***Out of a group of 400, one day in formation, 10 Social Security numbers were called out (no names) and told to leave formation. Mine was one. The 10 of us were told that out of the select group of 400, we had scored highest on certain tests. We had been selected because of our intelligence, physical make-up, and physical abilities. We were to feel special, part of a hand-picked group...We were all asked to volunteer to do some work for the government on the domestic, as well as the international front...1./We would be helping the CIA fly drugs into the United States to fund many covert operations, and 2./ Military consultants were to work hand-in-hand with civilian police agencies to quiet anyone who was deemed a security riskWe would be government-paid assassinsgives you new insight on things like Waco, etc.--they were murdered by hit men.*** One might dismiss the content of McVeigh's letter (after all, he has been convicted of commiting the worst terrorist act in U.S. history), except that there is considerable evidence to support the notion that for many years our secret government agencies (read the Central Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency and other more obscure federal agencies) have been primary players in international drug dealing, terror, and assassination. There is also considerable evidence that reporting on these issues by any mainstream American publication has been systematically suppressed. So what's the point? Simply this: During the past fifty years, the government of the United States has, through its implementation of a secret government (which is to say a government not answerable to the American People through their elected Senators and Representatives in Congress), abandoned the legitimacy of its Constitutional authority. Furthermore, during the administrations of our past three American Presidents--Reagan, Bush, and Clinton--this illegitimate secret government has been involved in international drug dealing and other major international crimes. A federal government that has turned against its People does not deserve the support of patriotic Americans. Please let us stay on topic and be civil. To unsubscribe please go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs -Home Page- www.cia-drugs.org OM Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[CTRL] The Independent (London): McVeigh 'did not act alone in Oklahomabombing'
-Caveat Lector- http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=71599 McVeigh 'did not act alone in Oklahoma bombing' By Andrew Gumbel in Terre Haute, Indiana 11 May 2001 The Oklahoma conspiracy. A special report by Andrew Gumbel For six years, there have been suspicions that Timothy McVeigh did not act alone when he bombed the federal building in Oklahoma City. Today, The Independent reveals he was part of an underground network of white-supremacist guerrillas dedicated to the overthrow of the American government, and explains how the group kept its role hidden for so long. Known as the Aryan Republican Army, the network came to light five years ago when its leaders were arrested for 22 bank robberies committed across the Midwest from late 1993 until several months after the April 1995 bombing. They were prosecuted and imprisoned for the robberies, but their links to the Oklahoma bomb never came out in court. Those have emerged through the efforts of a handful of reporters, academics and relatives of the bombing victims who found copies of confidential prosecution documents, saw written and video material recovered from the gang and interviewed some of the protagonists. It is now believed the ARA financed and helped to stage the bombing, the worst peacetime atrocity on US soil, which claimed 168 lives including 19 children. There is also evidence that McVeigh, who faces death by lethal injection at a US penitentiary in Indiana next Wednesday, was part of the robbery gang and participated in at least the planning stage of some of the hold-ups. The Independent's Review section today demolishes the theory that McVeigh was alone in Oklahoma City on the morning of the bombing. It shows why many of the claims made by McVeigh in a series of interviews for the recently published book American Terrorist do not stand up to scrutiny. It also explains why the Federal Bureau of Investigation and government prosecutors gave up their efforts to find his accomplices. It describes the extraordinary exploits of the ARA's two ringleaders, Pete Langan and Richard Guthrie, accomplished career criminals who happened to be secret cross-dressers as well as virulent exponents of racist anti-government ideology. The Independent has obtained a 300-page handwritten memoir penned by Guthrie in prison before he was found hanging from a bedsheet in his cell in July 1996. In it, he names one of the robbery gang members as a certain Tim. The links between the ARA and McVeigh were established in 1993 and continued regularly until the time of the bombing. All of them led frantically itinerant lifestyles, driving cross-country and staying in motels under assumed names, but on several occasions were in the same place at the same time on similar business. In January 1995, all of them abruptly left Kansas for a six-week stint in Arizona where there is evidence that a trial fertiliser bomb was exploded in the desert. The ARA developed the notion of leaderless resistance, a cell-based guerrilla structure in which individual members knew next to nothing about each other. Operating out of a safe-house in eastern Kansas, it also developed contacts with various far-right groups including a white supremacist religious compound in Oklahoma, Elohim City, which has long been suspected of involvement in the bombing. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer*[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:]
[CTRL] UFOTruth: Comment from Richard Hoagland to Paola
-Caveat Lector- [FYI: Paola is a fairly well known (here in the States, and much more so in S. Amer.) paranormal/ufology journalist. --MS] - Original Message - From: Paola Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UFOTruth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [UFOTruth] comment from Richard Hoagland to Paola To all, It is great when pioneers like Richard Hoagland and our courageous Dr. Richard Boylan are finally able to rejoice in Steven Greer's achievemmentas he speaks for TRUTH. The acclimation program proceedsI am sharing this communication I got yesterday from Richard Hoaglandcheck Art Bell --beginforward-- Dear Paola Yes, it was a great success. Now we have to see how the media here treats it in the next several days. There has been good (if brief) coverage on several cable and satellite TV outlets. Steve Basset reported that they had 17 camera crews show up -- most from abroad. (Have you seen any coverage on RAI?) There is some semi-secret stuff now going on behind the scenes, both on Capitol Hill and with a couple major media outlets, for follow up, so ... Stay tuned. :) Richard H = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer*[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] IUFO: Texas' Rock Wall (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Terry W. Colvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 10:47 PM Subject: IUFO: Texas' Rock Wall - IUFO Mailing List Fortean Times 146, June 2001, p. 60 Reviews Texas' Rock Wall Natural anomaly or underground city? Carolyn Draper Giles *Ancient American*, Vol 5, No 34 Discovered in 1852, and lending its name to the nearest town, this mysterious rectangular, subterranean structure is 3.5 miles (5.6km) wide and 5.6 miles (9km) long. As if its appearance weren't enigmatic enough, the rock itself weighs 200lbs per cubic ft (3.20g/cc), and is composed of minerals not found anywhere else, according to some researchers. A team of archaeologists and geologists has spent seven years unearthing a section of wall 36 feet (11m) deep and 100 feet (34m) long. They hope to dig another 60 feet (18m) to the bedrock where soil analysis, carbon and paleo-magnetic dating may provide further clues. So far they have found two metal rings, apparent man-made openings and a buttressing effect, suggesting either a fantastical human construction, or human modification of a unique natural formation. It is hoped that satellite imaging and ground-penetrating radar tests may throw more light on this monumental mystery. *Ancient American* 6 issues, $24.95 USA; $29.95 ROW PO Box 370 Colfax, WI 54730, USA http://www.ancientamerican.com -- Terry W. Colvin, Sierra Vista, Arizona (USA) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alternate: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Stargate/8958/index.html Sites: Fortean Times * Northwest Mysteries * Mystic's Cyberpage * TLCB * U.S. Message Text Formatting (USMTF) Program Member: Thailand-Laos-Cambodia Brotherhood (TLCB) Mailing List TLCB Web Site: http://www.tlc-brotherhood.org [Vietnam veterans, Allies, and CIA/NSA are welcome] = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer*[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] IUFO: They're out there - and the government knows (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: David Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: IUFO [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 10:34 PM Subject: IUFO: They're out there - and the government knows - IUFO Mailing List May 10 They're out there - and the government knows. STORY HIGHLIGHTS Military Denies UFOs Alien Energy? That's according to a group of about 20 former government workers, many of them military and security officials, who stepped forward on Wednesday to say they had witnessed evidence of aliens and unidentified flying objects and called for congressional hearings about such sightings. These testimonies establish once and for all that we are not alone, said Steven Greer, director of the Disclosure Project, a nonprofit research organization dedicated to disclosing alleged alien sightings. Greer, who organized the program at the National Press Club in Washington, argued that the United States and other governments have known about UFOs for at least 50 years and have been keeping the information secret. Greer said there were some 400 witnesses who claim to have firsthand experience with UFO sightings or alien evidence, and are willing to testify before Congress. Among them is Daniel Sheehan, a well-known Washington lawyer who is acting as counsel for members of Greer's group. Sheehan told reporters that during the Carter administration he found out about government-held UFO information that then-CIA Director George Bush, father of the current president, would not release. Sheehan said he was then led into the National Archives where he was shown photographs of captured UFOs, complete with what appeared to be alien writing symbols, but he was only allowed to take notes on a yellow legal pad. He traced the photos onto the cardboard back of his pad, he said. Military Denies UFOs The U.S. government repeatedly has denied having any evidence of alien species, though it investigated the possibility for decades. The Air Force was responsible for investigating alleged sightings for the military. From 1947 to 1969, the service's Project Blue Book at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio, investigated 12,618 reported sightings. It said it found explanations for all but 701, such as swamp gas, airplane lights, weather balloons and other natural phenomena. Sightings for which explanations couldn't be determined were categorized as sketchy reports that couldn't be pinned down. In 1997, the Air Force announced it was formally closing its nearly 50-year investigation into the alleged alien sighting at Roswell, N.M. It denied that there was evidence of a UFO at Roswell and that the military covered it up. Information obtained through exhaustive records searches and interviews indicated the material recovered near Roswell was consistent with a balloon device of the type used in a then-classified project, said a Pentagon statement. No records indicated, or even hinted at, the recovery of 'alien' bodies or extraterrestrial materials. Alien Energy? In another statement Wednesday, Donna Hare, a former NASA contract employee, said that Apollo astronauts saw an alien craft when they landed on the moon, but were told not to reveal it. Hare's source was a man who had been quarantined with the astronauts. Former Air Force Maj. George Filer III told reporters that when he was at McGuire Air Force Base in New Jersey, an alien craft came down, and an alien got out and was shot by a military policeman. Our security police went out there and found him at the end of the runway dead, Filer said. They asked me to brief the general staff, he said, but was later told not to.He said he would tell the story in front of Congress. Greer said extraterrestrials could provide a new, plentiful source of energy that would provide the world's energy needs. Information from alien encounters, said Greer, could also have significant impact on the global environment and the quest for world peace. ABCNEWS' Katelynn Raymer in Washington and David Ruppe in New York contributed to this report. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer*[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement
[CTRL] Fwd: [CTRL] Waco Protest ALERT!
I got the following today from our infector...any thoughts?? Bill. In The Name of God Most Gracious, Most Merciful Yes! I have been trying to work my hotmail through outlook express and some how this damn thing went out. I have been told that there is a viruse in it. I have no idea how it went out. I am truly sorry. X98 _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [CTRL] A modest proposal
In a message dated 5/11/01 2:16:55 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well anyway, you might ask what is your modest proposal? Well my modest proposal involves what these "watermelon environmental" groups can do to promote their weird notions of environmental wackoism in a constitutional manner! Why don't these groups voluntaraliy move to some pristine wilderness area and use all of their proposals and develop a demonstration community that is environmentally friendly? And if living in caves, herding sheep and eating raw vegtables is appealling to other people, then people are perfectly free to join them. And of course I would stipulate that these wackos would of course leave people like me alone who favors suburban "sprawl", nuclear power, all of the pro production proposals I made in my energy independence artilce alone, and we all would live happilly ever after? What utter tripe...pure unfiltered Limbaugh/Corporate twaddle. This is Marta Limbaugh, right? If you weren't so busy being aurally penetrated by the porcine one and actually took the time to think for yourself you'd see how remarkably silly you sound. Bill.
[CTRL] Skolnick-OKC Bombings...A Split In The FBI?
http://www.skolnicksreport.com Skolnick - Oklahoma City Bombings...A Split In The FBI? By Sherman H. Skolnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5-11-1 A possible split in the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and other federal agencies, may open up various possiblities as to what really happened as to the bombings in Oklahoma City, April 19, 1995. And we use the term BOMBINGS in the plural advisedly, because some explosives experts contend fertilizer bombs in a front-of-the-building truck could not have wrecked the building pillars as occurred. Background: President Clinton felt his power slipping away. The 1994 Congressional elections, considered by fellow Democrats as a Clinton-caused disaster, brought in a noisy GOP majority. In the spring of 1995, a small group of highly patriotic flag officers were plotting to arrest their Commander-in-Chief Clinton for giving military secrets to the Red Chinese, a sworn enemy of the U.S.; an arrest provided for and authorized under the military code. As titular head of both the U.S. civilian and military Establishment, Clinton, on the other hand, could have arrested the 24 Admirals and Generals for mutiny. If they were not assassinated, they intended to defend themselves with proof, such as Clinton giving, to the head of the Red Chinese Secret Police, in the White Houuse and elsewhere, U.S. financial, industrial, and MILITARY secrets. Giving aid and comfort to a sworn enemy of the U.S., the classical definition of treason. Clinton felt he could nevertheless control the situation, notwithstanding the plot against him. Just prior to the 1994 elections was appointed to investigate Bill and Hillary, a supposed "Independent Counsel", Kenneth W. Starr. But Starr had built-in conflicts of interest, as Clinton was aware. Starr had as a private law client, Wang Jun, head of the Red Chinese Secret Police. Wang Jun also headed a Red Chinese military-owned company that made and marketed AK-47 submachine guns, intended for shipment to U.S. inner-city narco-terrorist street gangs, for shoot-em-ups with big city police, to destabilize the U.S. government. Moreover, Starr was reportedly the UNREGISTERED foreign lobbyist for the Red Chinese government. Starr was thus subject at any time, to Clinton Justice Department punishment. [Visit our extensive website series, "Red Chinese Secret Police IN THE UNITED STATES".] On Monday, April 17, 1995, a military jet planeload of top military was enroute to Dallas. They had onboard what is not supposed to exist, an American prisoner-of-war, prepared to finger the Pentagon as perpetuated by Clinton, as continuing the POW/Missing in Action cover-up from the Viet Nam war. From sabotage, the plane blew up in the air, killing all onboard, near Alexander City, Alabama. The Pentagon made every effort to cover up what happened. Families of the victims were reportedly not permitted to have any possessions or details. There are strong reasons to believe the plane had a portion of a group of "Seven Days in May" style military officers plotting a coup against the White House. Thereafter, the small group of other flag officers, out of uniform, took up residence in a Paris suburb. A year later, the Chief of Naval Operations, Admiral Jeremy Boorda, apparently aware of the coup, was assassinated and covered up as a "suicide", a favorite whitewash by the monopoly press. And about the time of Boorda's murder, was assassinated William Colby, former Director of Central Intelligence. He reportedly was assisting the plotters with detailed data. Colby's death was explained by the pressfakers as a "boat accident", although his friends contend it was murder. Clinton, as President, was fully aware that Oklahoma City had as residents, a large number of Iraqi military officers and their families, some officers of Iraqi Intelligence units, supposed defectors after the Persian Gulf War, 1991, brought into the U.S. by President George Herbert Walker Bush. Iraq, as Clinton knew, was planning a revenge terrorist attack against a federal office building in Oklahoma City, using U.S. dissidents as surrogates, but insulated from the actual Iraqi handlers. The FBI, the CIA, and other in the intelligence community, have pictures and records showing the Iraqi military officers supervising the Murrah Building bombings. [Local Oklahoma TV reporters confirming this in part were fired or otherwise punished.] Little if at all publicized was that prior to the Timothy McVeigh trial, the head of his defense team, Stephen Jones, filed an extra-ordinary petition in the Federal Appeals court, called Petition for Mandamus. It sought to force the Denver trial judge who was set to hear the McVeigh murder case removed from Oklahoma City, to release certain secret documents possessed by various federal intelligence agencies. Referring to the secret as well as public court records, Jones' Petition pointed
[CTRL] Heaven Is A Battlefield
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/Chin051101/chin051101.html Heaven is a battlefield: Bush's space war plan By Larry Chin May 11, 2001—America is set to become the world's space warmonger. The illegitimate White House occupant, George W. Bush, has placed the future of U.S. foreign policy and the balance of world power, into the hands of his fellow right wing zealots, Pentagon/intelligence hawks, Bush/Cheney-linked Star Wars weapons manufacturers, and other Bush/Cheney-linked corporations seeking to benefit from the control of the skies above Earth. In rejecting the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, Bush-Cheney and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld have vowed to undo a policy that has governed the world's nuclear balance for 30 years. Lost in all the mainstream media coverage, and missing from pitiful congressional debates (which dwell on debates over the "effectiveness" and "cost" of a "security" and "defense" shield) is the true long-term agenda behind the missile program. Better Globalization Through Space Militarization The Star Wars drum beating is more than simply Bush/Cheney propaganda designed to pump up Pentagon budgets and line the balance sheets of corporate Star Wars cronies such as Lockheed-Martin, Raytheon and TRW. It is space manifest destiny. Rumsfeld, a leading architect of the program, has spent the bulk of his extreme hawk/right-wing political career pushing a provocative Cold War agenda and the aggressive interests of the Star Wars Industry. In a recently issued report of the Commission to Assess United States National Security Space Management and Organization, a body Rumsfeld heads, the Bush administration plan for space militarization, and the deployment of laser and missile weapons from space, is made clear. The commission pushes for the development of technologies that can "project power through and from space in response to events anywhere in the world." The commission encourages the creation of a military "Space Corps" and also scoffs at prior international laws (such as the Outer Space Treaty of 1967) that discourage military activities in space. As reported by State University of New York journalism professor Karl Grossman in CovertAction (April-May 2001), the report follows other space military manifestos issued in recent years by the U.S. Space Command. Various reports, chillingly, call for the dominance of space in order to "protect and enhance commercial interests." The true objective of the so-called "missile defense shield" is the next-generation policing of geopolitical "markets"—from the skies. With the installation of Bush in the White House, heading a corporate right-wing Republican-controlled government, the forces committted to "space manifest destiny" have found their most fervent salesman and bully. "Terrorist Threat?" In attempting to sell Star Wars as a defense shield against intercontinental missiles from "states for whom terror and blackmail are a way of life" (North Korea, Iran, Iraq, etc.), Bush does not mention the fact that those countries do not possess weapons capable of threatening the continental U.S.—and are more than a decade from developing such capability. Meanwhile, the U.S. has some 7,200 nuclear warheads trained on various targets around the world. Who is the real "terrorist nation"? Stop, Drop and Cover The Bush administration and defense hawks view the battle field of the heavens as the "next frontier." They are hell bent on winning a new global space arms race, which they have now begun to precipitate. "Dangerous criminal tyrants seize world power, seek domination of earth through space" is no breathless headline from a comic book or science fiction novel. It is the Bush foreign policy agenda, in cold, clear fact. Prepare yourselves. Military officials are calling for a missile defense system to be in place by 2004.
[CTRL] Protester held in Fwd: Joplin: Ex-informant, in psychiatric ward, claims conspiracy in McVeigh case
-Caveat Lector- To: (Recipient list suppressed) Source: Joplin Globe http://www.joplinglobe.com/ Protester held in Joplin Ex-informant, in psychiatric ward, claims conspiracy in McVeigh case http://www.joplinglobe.com/010511/headline/sto ry1.html A former federal informant who says the public will never know the full extent of the conspiracy behind the Oklahoma City bombing if Timothy McVeigh is executed next week is being held in a Joplin mental ward. Joe Hurley, 50, was transported late Tuesday to the Stephens Behavioral Unit at Freeman Hospital East. He was arrested earlier in the day outside the federal courthouse in Springfield. A supervisor at the behavioral unit hung up when asked Thursday night about Hurley. A Springfield police dispatcher said the departments public information officer had gone home, and that nobody else was authorized to comment. While Hurleys claims might seem outlandish, his attorney, Mel Gilbert of Buffalo, said there is enough solid information to warrant further investigation. Hurley, of Urbana, about 45 miles north of Springfield, had planned to protest McVeighs impending execution by performing some performance art that included the use of mock bombs, according to Gilbert. But, Hurley was arrested by Springfield police as his truck pulled into the courthouse parking lot. He had alerted police to his plans. Hurley had been arrested two weeks earlier for a similar attempt at the courthouse, when he was stopped from burning an effigy labeled DOJ, for Department of Justice, but no charges were filed by Greene County Prosecutor Darrell Moore. But Hurleys protests did catch the attention of Mike Schilling of Springfield, a former state legislator. I saw (Hurleys case) on the news, and Ive always had a strong interest in civil liberties and the abuse of power, said Schilling, a Democrat who served in the Missouri House from 1993 to 2000. I made some inquiries, and it appears to me that this guy is being silenced through the use of the mental-health system. Hes basically a political prisoner. Gilbert, Hurleys attorney, said he has known his client for years and described him as a peaceful man. Gilbert said Hurley was sent to Joplin on Tuesday under a 96-hour emergency commitment, but that now a 21-day evaluation is planned well past Wednesdays scheduled execution of McVeigh for the April 19, 1995, bombing. Gilbert said Hurley was a federal informant in a 1994 Osceola case that involved explosives and firearms. Much of what Hurley cites as evidence for a widespread conspiracy surrounding the Oklahoma City bombing is available in the form of tape recordings and transcripts from that case, he said. When asked if he thought Hurleys story was credible, Gilbert said: He was credible enough before to get somebody convicted of attempting to blow something up. And, I havent had anybody come back at me to dispute anything he says. So, I would say there is at least a lot of circumstantial evidence in his favor. Gilbert said he was puzzled at Hurleys treatment by authorities because he was not doing anything illegal and posed no danger to anyone. Although hospital officials would neither confirm nor deny that Hurley was in their care, he was reached Thursday via the pay telephone at the behavioral unit. Im being held here, I hate to say as a prisoner, but thats what it amounts to, Hurley said. Hurley said in the phone interview that he met McVeigh in 1993 or 1994 at a militia compound called Little Waco located outside of Appleton City, in St. Clair County. Hurley said he spent several hours firing automatic weapons with McVeigh and other compound members. Hurley said he infiltrated a group of mercenaries who were willing, for a price, to carry out the orders of several radical right-wing groups. McVeigh and alleged Olympic Park bomber Eric Rudolph were both soldiers in the same terror-for-hire organization, he alleged. Hurley said he was recruited by the Secret Service as an informant when one of the groups leaders tried to repay a loan with counterfeit bills. Although the counterfeiting investigation was a dead end, Hurley said, he later was used by the FBI to gather evidence on a plan to blow up the town of Osceola using a fertilizer bomb and a rental truck. The plan was designed to kill a key witness in a double- murder trial who was being held at the time in the St. Clair County Jail, he said. Gilbert said the man convicted as part of this undercover work was Wyatt Waggoner, then of Appleton City. Wyatt Duane Waggoner was arrested Sept. 1, 1994, on six counts of explosives and weapons violations, according to docket information from U.S. District Court at Springfield. In a plea bargain, he was sentenced in 1995 to 70 months in prison. Waggoner has been released from prison, according to the docket file, and is serving a three-year supervised probation. Few other details were available, a court clerk
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Asa and the Drug Smugglers
from www.madcowprod.com Asa and the Drug Smugglers by Daniel Hopsicker George W. Bush's nomination of Asa Hutchinson to head the Drug Enforcement Administration is a crushing blow to those who couldn't bring themselves to believe the sordid stories of George Junior consorting with drug smuggler Barry Seal. As reported in the new book Barry `the boys,' and magazines and newsletters like From the Wilderness and High Times, George the II had much more than a nodding acquaintance with the biggest drug smuggler in American history and his notorious Mena operation. Instead of downplaying this connection while focusing all eyes on the tee-ball on the south lawn, Bush has now put it right in our faces. Current Republican Congressman and former Western Arkansas US Attorney Asa Hutchinson was directly involved in the Mena drug smuggling operation, providing the critical legal `protection' necessary for any operation of that size and magnitude, and acting to squelch whatever legal action which local citizen outrage prompted. In addition to the people already on record regarding Hutchinson's coziness with the Mena cocaine smugglingformer IRS agent Bill Duncan prominent among themnumerous witnesses have stepped forward for the first time on Hutchinson in Barry `the boys. According to the Arkansas State Police Commander in charge of Mena, Finis Duvall, on at least one occasion then-US Attorney Asa Hutchinson `took care' of a Mena legal entanglement for Barry Seal that has never been surfaced in the press. According to Duvall, who was there, the Arkansas state police didn't even try to develop a case against the Mena drug smuggling, because it was well known that it was being 'protected' by US attorney Hutchinson. We always knew we couldn't prosecute Barry Seal, no matter what we got on him, because of the politics involved in the Western Judicial District, the crusty Finis Duvall told us. Then there are Hutchinson's recent business dealings with drug smugglers. Recently a Barry Seal drug smuggling associate, Michael Roy Fugler, took a company called Netivation public. Netivation.com (NASDAQ: NTVN) portrays itself as an Internet public policy and political Web site, offering a package of fundraising services to candidates and campaigns. The Virginia State Democratic Party, for example, raised money for Netivation.com to produce Web sites for its candidates, and Netivation.com received a percentage of any campaign contribution made to candidates via the Web pages. It also publishes the US Congress Factbook, and has a major Internet site for campaign fundraising. One question might be: what does a drug smuggler have to do with the US Congress Factbook? But wait...there's more. After going public, Netivation turned around and immediately signed as their initial marketing poster boy none other than Arkansas Congressman Asa Hutchinson. Hutchinson, of course, before becoming the marketing poster boy for a company drug smuggler Barry Seal's associate Michael Fugler took public, had been the U.S. Attorney for the Western Judicial District in Arkansas, which encompasses Mena. That's enough for a grand jury, right there. It provides direct and concrete evidence that what's been called the goings-on at Mena reveal exactly what the conspiracy theorists have been loudly proclaiming for a decade: the visible efforts of a huge and largely invisible organization. Paying off a favor isn't, of course, illegal. But abetting drug smuggling, unfortunately for Mr. Hutchinson, is. This is no small matter, especially since Michael Fugler was no mere legal counsel to Barry Seal; rather, he was an integral part of the smuggling organization, and already, by the middle Seventies, deeply involved in all of Barry's various businesses, including the 'front' sign companies. We had heard from several of Seal's associates accounts of Fugler's activities which the State Bar of Louisiana would presumably frown on Like the time he had left a briefcase filled with over $100,000 of drug money sitting on the front car seat of a rental car at Baton Rouge Airport, and then been too afraid to go back to attempt to retrieve it. Congressman Hutchinson has the sheer gall to serve as a member of the House Speaker's Task Force for a Drug-Free America. As what? An industry representative? The Task Force has a mandate to seek out new and more effective approaches to combating the threat of drug use among the nation's youth. Numerous witnesses in western Arkansas can be found who can directly testify that Mr. Hutchinson's actions, as opposed to his words, have been absolutely and unequivocally detrimental to achieving this goal. As an aside, Hutchinson somehow also found the time to present the case to the Senate for the impeachment of Bill Clinton, where he urged the senators in his closing argument to let justice roll down like mighty waters. Were that to happen, we would
[CTRL] FoxNews: '302's,' 'Inserts' Make Up Bulk of Documents
-Caveat Lector- http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,24556,00.html '302's,' 'Inserts' Make Up Bulk of Documents FOXNews Friday, May 11, 2001 Sharon Kehnemui WASHINGTON - The Federal Bureau of Investigation revealed Thursday that it had failed to turn over hundreds of documents, amounting to 3,100 pages of investigation reports, photographs, written correspondence and tapes relating to the case against Timothy McVeigh, the admitted Oklahoma City bomber. The Justice Department decided Friday to stay McVeigh's execution since the materials should have been handed over to McVeigh's attorneys before his trial. DOJ special attorney Sean Connelly wrote to McVeigh's attorneys Wednesday that additional documents relating to the Oklahoma City bombing case came from reviews of 26 databases and included a number of 302's, or reports filed by agents named for the number on the form with which they must be submitted. They also include inserts filed by field agents, along with everything from photographs and correspondence to audio and video tapes. Sources told Fox News Friday that many of the forms pertain to John Doe No. 2, a suspect who was described by witnesses but never identified. The information may also be crucial to the defense of Terry Nichols, a convicted co-conspirator who has always maintained others, not him, were involved. The documents were uncovered during a routine evidence-gathering conducted by agent Danny Defenbaugh, who was in charge of the Oklahoma City bombing investigation. The FBI said it wants to make clear that the documents, part of millions of pages of evidence in the case, were not withheld intentionally, but were mistakenly left out during the discovery process. The letter accompanying the documents written by Connelly read, We do not believe anything being produced is material bearing on the federal convictions or sentences of Timothy McVeigh or Terry Nichols. Connelly's letter said the discovery of additional materials came after an FBI archivist requested that all OKBOMB-related materials be sent to the Oklahoma City field office for archiving. He also wrote that FBI Director Louis J. Freeh and the agent in charge of the bombing probe had requested on numerous occasions prior to trial that each field division and legal attache forward all OKBOMB-related materials to the Oklahoma City division, and had received assurances that all such materials had been forwarded. Two government sources told The Washington Post that some of the material was duplicated information previously given to the defense, but another federal source said most of the material had not been seen by the defense. Connelly wrote that none of the materials makes any showing of either man's actual innocence. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer*[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FoxNews: News of FBI Fumble Fans Conspiracy Flames
-Caveat Lector- News of FBI Fumble Fans Conspiracy Flames FOXNews Friday, May 11, 2001 By Michael Y. Park Revelations that the FBI withheld evidence from lawyers for convicted Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh have set off an explosion of their own among conspiracy theorists who see a cover-up, or much worse, behind the most deadly terrorist act in American history. Oh yeah! Right! scoffed one of many submissions that were posted on Internet message boards. This was a mistake, and none of the info is 'considered to be favorable to McVeigh'. This stuff was somewhere in the White House Library all along? . How many FBI or ATF agents were actually in attendance when the truck (sic) went off? . I don't know whether to laugh or cry. The postings all expounded a common theme: We told you so. And much of that reaction came from those who see the hand of the government itself in the 1995 bombing that killed 168 people. The American citizens have been propagandized about McVeigh the 'lone bomber' for so long that they'd be out in the streets screaming for blood if (his execution) were held up now, one person, under the name jimkress, wrote on the Internet. It's in the Left's best interest to delay this execution. It provides them with a continuing opportunity to demonize all of us who believe that freedom is maximized when government is minimized. The Justice Department on Thursday admitted the FBI withheld 3,135 documents it should have given to McVeigh's lawyers during the discovery period of his 1997 trial in Denver. McVeigh, who recently confessed to being almost entirely responsible for the bombing, was scheduled to be executed next week. Some of the loudest cries of government cover-up have come from Robert and James Nichols, the father and brother of Terry Nichols, who was tried and convicted as McVeigh's accomplice in the bombing. I think that Timothy McVeigh is a pawn, Robert Nichols told the Fox News Channel. He didn't do what they said was done. He may have been a part of it, but he's not the one who done it. James Nichols was blunt about his belief it was actually the federal government that was responsible for the deaths, including those of the 19 children in a nursery in the building, in a scheme to gain more power for itself. On the other end of the political spectrum, visitors to http://www.plastic.com were just as skeptical of the government, though they saw less a conscious conspiracy theory than an ingrained abuse of power and a habit of trampling over civil liberties. The FBI is in the habit of suppressing evidence. It didn't FORGET to turn over evidence to McVeigh's Defense, it just sits on evidence as a matter of ordinary course, and counts on not getting caught, a poster under the handle NH4 wrote. If the FBI can't even bring itself to give necessary evidence to prosecutors trying to bring murderers to justice, how can they be expected to provide evidence to defense attorneys just because they are legally required to do so? Demonstrating the unanimity of disgust with the FBI fumble, a poster named Klaatu saw connections to other events. I do not believe the FBI simply forgot this evidence, Klaatu wrote. The trial was too important to them. They think they are above the law as they demonstrated at Waco, Ruby Ridge, and in their quiet deployment of Carnivore before those pesky civil libertarians could object. McVeigh's former lawyer, Stephen Jones, is openly questioning whether the former Gulf War veteran could have committed the crime himself. Jones said the government knew there were others in on the plot but ignored the evidence. I think he's trying to protect others. He's enlarging his own role, Jones said. There's absolutely no doubt in my mind he's attempting to keep someone's identity, who is involved in this situation, from me. Jones said evidence points toward Saudi terrorist Osama Bin Laden. Certainly there is no evidenced that any of the people that are directly involved had that kind of knowledge, so it had to come from someone who had that kind of skill, he said. The lead prosecutor in the case, Joseph Hartzler, said the conspiracy theories were an understandable reaction to the tragedy. But that does not make them valid. I think that people have difficulty accepting the fact that this magnitude of carnage and death can be caused simply by one man and with the assistance of another, he said. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer*[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot
[CTRL] 30 Crucial OKC Bombing Questions Remain Unanswered (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Scott Jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 11:24 AM Subject: 30 Crucial OKC Bombing Questions Remain Unanswered In general the TeamInfinity group does a fair job of reliably pegging my bs-o-meter, but I gotta say, some of these questions are ...ponder-worthy. Especially note #18 in contrast to the recent articles (e.g., the London Independent piece I posted last night, http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=71599) which contends that the bombing was related to the work of the Aryan Republican Army. Hm. --Scott Found at http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3addb499755b.htm 30 Crucial OKC Bombing Questions Remain Unanswered From Team Infinity http://TeamInfinity.com/ 4-17-1 Despite Timothy McVeigh's guilty verdict, numerous unanswered questions about the murderous Oklahoma City bombing remain. Indeed, there are so many unanswered questions, it is amazing that the prosecution was able to secure a conviction at all. So pull up a front-row seat for the McVeigh lynching, folks, and contemplate a few of the contradictions in the official account of the OKC bombing before it all gets flushed down the memory hole. If this list doesn't make you paranoid, you must be one of them! [To read the startling evidence which the jury was barred from hearing, be sure to check out Timothy McVeigh's Writ of Mandamus, posted by TeamInfinity.com.] 1. If the bombing of the Alfred E. Murrah Federal building in Oklahoma City was a terrorist reprisal for the Federal massacre of the Branch Davidians at Waco, why were no BATF or FBI agents injured? Why was EVERY BADGE-CARRYING FEDERAL AGENT absent from work at nine o'clock on a weekday morning, their offices staffed only with civilian clerical workers? 2. When the word first got out that no Federal agents had been present in the building, the BATF produced its Resident Agent Alex McCauley who told a long story about his own heroism and that of a fellow ATF man who allegedly fell three floors in an elevator, walked away from it, and then helped rescue others trapped by the bomb. This was quickly exposed as a fabrication in an angry interview by building maintenance supervisor Duane James, who described McCauley's story as pure fantasy. James examined the elevator in question and also the central control panel and pointed out a number of technical and logical reasons why the miraculous elevator incident simply couldn't have happened in the way claimed. The McCauley account was quietly retracted and flushed down the memory hole by the ATF, with the help of the media. They now admit that McCauley was nowhere near the building when the bomb went off, although they refuse to discuss his exact whereabouts or the whereabouts of any other ATF agent at the time of the explosion. Will BATF Agent Alex McCauley be disciplined for telling a self-serving lie which falsely made himself out to be a hero? If that was not the purpose, why did he make this palpably false public statement? 3. Why was U.S. Judge Wayne Alley, whose office was located in the Federal building, warned several weeks in advance in a Justice Department memo to be prepared for an unnamed terrorist act directed against the Federal building? 4. Judge Alley made the above admission to the Portland Oregonian immediately after the bombing. He has since refused to repeat it or allow himself to be interviewed again. Why? 5. Why did Ken Stern fax warnings to Federal judges and officials, legislators, and prosecutors warning of a possible attack on a government building of installation on the second anniversary of Waco on April 10th, 1995, nine days before the OKC bombing? 6. Norma, a witness who worked in an office building just down the street from the Federal building, told reporter Sherry Koonce what she saw prior to the explosion: The day was fine, everything was normal when I arrived for work at about 7:45 a.m. There was some talk about the bomb squad among the employees at our office. We wondered what it was doing in our parking lot. Around nine I heard and felt a huge explosion. Then someone said it had to be a bomb, and we all knew. I remembered the bomb squad in our parking lot and knew what had happened. Norma has since quit her job, gone into hiding and refused to speak again to any reporters or investigators. So have a number of other people who saw the heavily armed and equipped bomb squad in the area up to three hours before the blast. Why? 7. Why did all mention of the facts outlined in questions 1 thru 6 disappeared from the news media after the first week of coverage of the bombing? Why has the media consistently suppressed and refused to report any information or evidence which indicates that, at the very least and regardless of who was responsible, there was Federal foreknowledge that the bombing would take place? 8. By definition, a
[CTRL] V V: EXCLUSIVE: FBI Documents Raise Questions of Wider Conspiracy
-Caveat Lector- Posted May 11th, 2001 12:30 PM villagevoice.com exclusive FBI Documents Raise Questions of Wider Conspiracy Feds' Forewarning: McVeigh Papers: What Did the Government Know? by James Ridgeway WASHINGTON, D.C., MAY 11-The FBI's announcement yesterday that it withheld files from Tim McVeigh's defense lawyers raises once again not only the prospect of a wider conspiracy, but questions about whether the government itself was trying to cover up events leading to the the Oklahoma City bombing. Even as Department of Justice officials moved Friday to delay for 30 days McVeigh's execution, which had been scheduled for May 16, some are asking if the feds stashed the documents in hopes of concealing what they knew beforehand about plans to blow up the Murrah Federal Building in 1995. The feds say this is nonsense, the result of conspiracy-mongering by people in places like the John Birch Society, which played a major role in developing theories of a wider plot. The idea of a conspiracy may seem silly, especially to members of the mainstream press, but as with whispers about the grassy knoll in the Kennedy assassination, rumors of intrique have persisted in this case. They now fuel the early stages of a massive damage suit by families of the victims against the federal government. Last night's release of the FBI documents was accompanied by reports that McVeigh actually was part of a bank robbery gang called the Aryan Republican Army, a white supremacist outfit that allegedly pulled more jobs across the Midwest than Jesse James ever dreamed of. And according to the lore surrounding this gang, they used the loot to help finance a far right revolution. The gang was modeled along the lines of the Order, a 1980s underground terror group that robbed stores and armored cars in the West to get the money to boost the same revolution. Participants in both gangs had ties to the Aryan Nations. For years now, defense attorneys and independent investigators have claimed that the government had prior knowledge of the conspiracy. Carol Howe, a onetime ATF informant, testified that she had personally infiltrated a group of racists living in Elohim City, an eastern Oklahoma religious community, and had accompanied several men as they cased the federal building. At the same time, a closing witness in the Terry Nichols trial claimed he had unexpectedly come upon a group of men and trucks-including the famous Ryder truck used in the blast-and fertilizer bags when he drove his handicapped son down to Geary Lake Kansas. It was here, according to the prosecution, that McVeigh and Nichols made the bomb. The government successfully argued there were three main defendants: McVeigh, Nichols, and Michael Fortier. With the McVeigh execution approaching-he is scheduled to be killed May 16-there has been an upsurge in speculation and rumors about who else may have been involved. Some of this talk apparently originates with inmates who grew to know McVeigh in different jails and who claim he told them what went down. Speculation has also been fueled by other events. Chief among them was the arrest of members of the Aryan Republican Army. Some army members had ties to the Aryan Nations and the Posse Comitatus. And they frequented Elohim City. All during the bomb investigation, Elohim City turned up as a sort of hideout in one story after another. Pastor Robert Millar, who heads the community, long has insisted this is rubbish and that he has nothing whatever to do with the bombing. Indeed, just to show how willing he has been to cooperate with the government, Millar reportedly invited the region's chief FBI agent to sing in the choir. Richard Guthrie, the leader of the Aryan Republican Army, hung himself in jail in 1996, shortly after he told the Los Angeles Times that he was writing a book about his gang that would blow the lid off a wider conspiracy. In a sealed plea bargain agreement, he promised to provide the government with information about groups whose goal is the overthrow of the U.S. government or (to) engage in domestic terrorism. This supposedly was an allusion to the Oklahoma City bombing. Currently, other members of the gang-all in jail-are rumored to be claiming that a certain Tim was in contact with their group. The FBI's belated disclosure comes at a time when Louis Freeh is stepping down as head of the FBI, and after both Clinton and Reno have left office. While the FBI says the papers are insignificant, press reports claim they involved the government's questioning of witnesses about a John Doe No. 2, an unknown person the government originally thought was involved in the plot. These documents may not help McVeigh, but they almost surely will affect Terry Nichols's case, perhaps even leading to a new trial. Nichols is in jail for life on federal offenses and is awaiting prosecution in Oklahoma that could end with a death sentence.
[CTRL] NYT: McVeigh's Execution Likely to Be Delayed for 30 Days
-Caveat Lector- Friday, May 11, 2001 -- 10:42 AM EST McVeigh's Execution Likely to Be Delayed for 30 Days Justice Department lawyers have recommended that the execution of convicted Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh be delayed for 30 days, two government officials said Friday. Full story: http://www.nytimes.com?0511na1 = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer*[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Satanism, Murder And Kidnapped Babies...
-Caveat Lector- What fate awaits these kidnapped babies ? Ritual sacrifice ? Sexual abuse ? Trauma-based programming ? --- Search continues for dead woman's children: Couple suspected in killing found dead in Florida by Anjeanette Damon, RENO GAZETTE-JOURNAL, Wednesday May 9th, 2001 http://www.rgj.com/news2/stories/news/989469755.html The hunt for two missing babies resumes today in a cross-country mystery that includes the discovery of their dead mother in Nevada and the murder-suicide in Florida of her suspected killers, officials said Tuesday. The discovery of 21-year-old Kimyala Hensons body last week in the desert north of Nixon launched an investigation into claims of satanic ritual, kidnapping and murder, officials said. After identifying Henson, authorities searched 100 square miles of the Nevada desert for her children, 2-year-old Shaina Ashly Kirkpatrick and 4-month-old Shausa Kirkpatrick, who disappeared from Portland, Ore., with her April 4. The grave concern for us as an agency is the whereabouts of her children, Washoe County Sheriff Dennis Balaam said Tuesday during a news conference. At this point we dont have any leads to be able to surmise anything. Anyone who really has any information is dead right now. The bodies of the primary suspects were found near Naples, Fla., nine days before Hensons body was found, Balaam said. Florida police said Frank Oehring, 28, a fugitive from Bethany, Mo., shot his girlfriend, Christina Mayer, 24, before turning the rifle on himself. Detectives in Portland notified the father of Hensons two children Tuesday afternoon. I dont really have much hope, to tell you the truth, Steven Kirkpatrick told the Associated Press. Im trying to let the shock wear off. Im at a loss over why this happened. Kirkpatrick held a birthday party for his missing daughter, who turned 2 on April 27. Investigators have called off the desert search for now and are concentrating on the extensive paper trail left by the suspects. These two children would not be able to survive out there this long, Balaam said. But anything could have happened to them between here and Florida. An extensive search is still ongoing and we are asking for any kind of assistance from the public, if anyone has seen these kids accompanied by the suspects in the Reno, Gardnerville or Hawthorne areas. The couple was traveling in a red 1999 Kia Sephia. Detectives were investigating a claim by Oehrings ex-wife that her former husband and his new girlfriend were Satanists, Balaam said. Any possible connection with Oehrings satanic beliefs and the death of Kimyala Henson and the disappearance of her children has not been established, Balaam said. No motive for the slaying has been uncovered, Balaam said. Henson and her daughters were last seen checking into a Redding, Calif., motel with Mayer and Oehring on April 5, one day after leaving Portland on what was supposed to be a sight-seeing trip to British Columbia with the couple. Someone obtained a copy of Hensons birth certificate earlier that day in Alameda, Calif., authorities said. Investigators originally thought Mayer was Henson, after finding the younger womans identification on her body, Balaam said. Oregon detectives followed a lengthy paper trail left by Oehring and Mayer, who obtained a false Nevada identification in Las Vegas April 9 and then used Hensons credit cards for food, lodging and gas as they drove to Florida, Balaam said. The detectives notified Reno police of Hensons disappearance on May 4. Washoe County detectives, with the help of dental charts and DNA evidence, confirmed Hensons identity Tuesday. No evidence indicated the children made it to Florida, said Tina Osceola, spokeswoman for the Collier County Sheriffs Department. Our investigators are very, very sure that they werent anywhere near Florida, she said. The childrens car seats and luggage were missing, but investigators found a few articles of clothing and diapers in the vehicle parked near the couples bodies, Osceola said. Mayer, who used to live in Portland, became a close friend of Henson before moving to Bethany, Mo., where she met Oehring. Oehring was wanted on a $250,000 warrant after he failed to appear for a March court hearing on charges he conspired to have his ex-wife killed, said Missouri prosecutor Rick Turner. The evidence shows he conspired to hire someone to kill his wife, Turner said. We found his estranged wife in her home, unconscious. She had been beaten. She remained in a coma for three weeks. She survived and is doing fine. On April 15, Mayer called her uncle in Missouri from the Miami area to ask for money, saying she was in trouble and was tired of running. Five days later, Mayer and Oehring were found with single bullet wounds to their temples at a rest stop on a rural highway near the edge of the Everglades, Osceola said. Oehring was still alive when he was discovered, but died on the way to
[CTRL] Chevron: At Risk in Kazakhstan
-Caveat Lector-
{{I am posting this only becuase ''sacred'' oil interest are at
stake. You know to what extremes this country will go to on behalf
of oil interests.
~Amelia~))
STRATFOR's
Chevron: At Risk in Kazakhstan
11 May 2001
Analysis
On April 25, the Kazakh government accused Tengizchevroil, a joint
venture extracting oil from the country's massive Tengiz field, of
various environmental offenses, according to InterfaxKazakhstan.
Since Kazakhstan's environmental laws are still embryonic in nature
and their enforcement lackadaisical, the accusations are probably an
effort to wring concessions out of Chevron, the joint venture's
operator and largest stakeholder. Astana's heavy-handed tactics bode
poorly for foreign investors.
The stakes are high. Tengiz is one of the world's largest oil
fields, with estimated reserves of 6 billion to 9 billion barrels.
The field is expected to produce enough petroleum to supply the bulk
of the Tengiz-Novorossiysk pipeline's 1.34 million barrels daily
capacity. The agreements that sealed the Tengizchevroil deal in 1993
are worth at least $20 billion.
Chevron, a U.S. company, should be concerned about the security of
its investment. Last May, Kazakhstan booted out another large
investor - Belgium's Tractebel - after disputes over the scope and
direction of its investments. The natural gas company refused to
play Kazakh President Nursultan Nazarbayev's political games, and it
was shown the door.
The allegations must be a particularly bitter pill for Chevron.
Tengizchevroil is Kazakhstan's premier oil project, accounting for
almost half of the country's total production. Chevron recently
acquired enough equity to secure a 50 percent ownership stake.
Tengizchevroil's corporate structure does little to protect foreign
investors, however. The Kazakh government controls 20 percent of the
venture, and thereby has a direct say in decision making.
Astana has another tool: the Russian firm LUKoil, which together
with British Petroleum owns a 5 percent stake in Tengizchevroil.
Kazakhstan has shown a willingness to transfer Western shares in
major Kazakh projects to Russian firms. Russian natural gas giant
Gazprom now controls what used to be Tractebel's Kazakh network.
If Chevron confronts the government, Astana can put pressure on the
Caspian Pipeline Consortium, which transports Tengiz oil to the
Black Sea. Astana controls 19 percent of CPC, a larger share than
Chevron's 14 percent. Astana also has an ally in the Russian
government, which holds a 24 percent stake in CPC. Russian firms
feature here as well, accounting for another 20 percent through
various joint ventures. All have a vested interest in maximizing
their ownership at the expense of Western firms.
Now that all the heavy lifting is done - Tengiz currently produces
nearly 300,000 barrels per day and the CPC pipeline is largely
completed - Astana has few qualms about pressuring the consortiums
into financial concessions. The government well knows that, in
league with Russian firms, it can operate the new infrastructure on
its own should Western partners prove unyielding.
For the Kazakhs, there is one catch. There are even bigger fish to
develop in Kazakhstan's sea of oil - the great white of which is the
Kashagan oil field. The Offshore Kazakhstan International Operating
Company (OKIOC), a consortium of nine multinational oil firms,
manages this behemoth's development. But Kashagan lies offshore and
is a deep, complex deposit that is as yet undeveloped. Kazakhstan
lacks the cash, personnel, experience and technology to exploit the
field by itself. If Astana leans too heavily on Chevron, it risks
scaring investors away from OKIOC and leaving Kashagan permanently
buried under three miles of earth and water.
Astana, however, seems willing to take a calculated risk. BP and
Chevron are the logical first targets. The UK-based BP, which has
limited exposure in Kazakhstan, has been divesting itself of onshore
oil investments, opting instead for natural gas or oil deposits
offshore. While Chevron is a larger regional player that has no
intension of surrendering its oil stakes, its activities focus on
Tengizchevroil and the CPC. Chevron has no involvement in OKIOC.
There is a possibility Astana can manipulate Chevron without unduly
disrupting investor interest in Kashagan.
Chevron will undoubtedly appeal to Washington for help, but there is
little Washington can do. Moscow holds all the cards in Kazakhstan,
while the United States has reduced its involvement in the region.
There would be other fallout as well. Non-American firms run most of
OKIOC; most are annoyed with the American members who, due to
Washington's investment restrictions on Iran, do not back the most
economically feasible export route. If Washington becomes too
recalcitrant, Chevron and ExxonMobil could find not only Astana and
Moscow arrayed against them, but Italy's ENI, Japan's Inpex, the
Netherlands' Shell and France's TotalFinaElf, as
[CTRL] Fwd: Hague ally issues Hitler warning
-Caveat Lector- http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,2-201043,00.html EDITOR SATURDAY MAY 12 2001 Hague ally issues Hitler warning BY MELISSA KITE, GREG HURST AND OLIVER WRIGHT WILLIAM HAGUE faced embarrassment last night when one of his most senior party members compared the European vision of Gerhard Schröder, the German Chancellor, to Hitlers personal manifesto and said Labours tactics on Europe were reminiscent of the Nazis. Sir Peter Tapsell, who nominated Mr Hague for the Tory leadership in 1997, predicted that the British people would rise in an explosion of rage against the European Union. He listed Napoleon, Bismarck and Hitler as leaders in the past who had proposed a European single currency and said that Tony Blairs prepare and decide policy on the euro was akin to Goebbelss Big Lie propaganda strategy. Calling for a renegotiation of Britains relationship with Europe, Sir Peter said: We may not have studied Hitlers Mein Kampf in time but, by heaven, there is no excuse for us not studying the Schröder Plan now. You may be sure that the currency section of Dr Goebbels Guide to Falsehood is already well thumbed by the Labour spin-doctors. He spoke out as a group of Tory MPs told The Times that they would be campaigning on a platform of never accepting the single currency. Their stance goes against party policy, which is to oppose the euro for the duration of the next Parliament. Many, however, have made pledges to the electorate that they will not accept the euro regardless of party policy. Campaign leaflets for John Bercow, a Tory frontbencher, read: I have always supported the pound and I always will do so. Julian Lewis, who is seeking re-election in New Forest East, said: Im the only candidate from a serious party promising never to vote for a single European currency. Sir Peters comments were particularly embarrassing for Mr Hague, who has just recovered from the mongrel race remarks of the rebel MP John Townend. In an address in the Louth and Horncastle constituency where he is seeking re-election, Sir Peter repeatedly invoked the Second World War as he said that the English way of life was under threat from Europe. From Brussels and Bonn and Berlin the present generation of Britons face again the threat of a foreign and alien sovereignty which threatens our way of life, our commerce and our culture, he said. He quoted a German Finance Minister who he said had told him that the German people will always follow strong leadership. Sir Peter said: That of course has been the continuing tragedy of their history. Sir Peter took issue with Mr Hagues policy of opposing the euro only for the duration of the next Parliament, saying: I shall never vote to join a single European currency or a federal Europe. Sir Peter also attacked French, German and Roman law and the European Court of Human Rights. He said that English freedom was under constant threat from the decisions of foreign judges, some of whom are not even learned in their own law. Britons, like the Basques and the Kurds, would acquire deep feelings of outrage which finds expression in violence if they lost their currency, he said. Sir Peters remarks were condemned by other senior Conservatives. Ian Taylor, who is standing for re-election in Tory MP for Esher and who is chairman-elect of the European Movement, a pro-EU pressure group, said: This sort of anti-European rant discredits the Conservatives. We need friends on the Continent if we are to influence the future of the Union, in which the Tory party wishes to stay. Douglas Alexander, Labours election campaign coordinator, described Sir Peters speech as odious and said: This shows the extremism at the heart of the Tory party. The Conservatives chief spokesman said: Sir Peter has been saying that to anyone who will listen for more than 20 years but his views are not shared by the leadership of the Conservative Party. Copyright 2001 Times Newspapers Ltd. -- Best Wishes Conservatives say the government can't end poverty by force, but they believe it can use force to make people moral. Liberals say government can't make people be moral, but they believe it can end poverty. Neither group explains why government is so clumsy and destructive in one area but a paragon of efficiency and benevolence in the other. -Harry Browne, Little Browne Booklet, a collection of campaign soundbites, quoted in _Libertarian Party News_, April 2001 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts,
Re: [CTRL] New Houston Chronicle Poll: What's the best weapon in the drug war?
-Caveat Lector- On Fri, 11 May 2001 15:47:01 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted article [EMAIL PROTECTED], which said: Please vote! www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/topstory2/906380 The Houston Chronicle is conducting a poll (What's the best weapon in the drug war?). Current stats: More police: 2% Tougher jail sentences: 19% Anti-drug education for kids: 16% More access to drug rehabilitation: 10% Legalization of drugs: 50% Total Votes:268 Latest results: More police:1% Tougher jail sentences: 16% Anti-drug education for kids: 12% More access to drug rehabilitation: 8% Legalization of drugs: 61% Total Votes:387 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Russia loses control of satellites
-Caveat Lector- http://www.itn.co.uk/news/20010510/world/07satellites.shtm Russia loses control of satellites Russia no longer has the working fleet of early warning satellites that reassured its leaders that they were not under attack during the most recent false alert. - Geoffrey Forden of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology Russia has lost control of four military satellites after a fire at an important relay station fuelling US fears of Moscow triggering a false alarm launch over the ageing nuclear early-warning system. Military chiefs insisted however the overall satellite control system was working normally. As a result of the fire, we do not have constant contact with four satellites, Anatoly Perminov, commander of Russia's Space Forces, told state-run RTR television. Restoring permanent contact with these satellites will technically be possible once the fire is extinguished, he said. The entire satellite control system is working normally, including ones with a military designation. Defence Ministry officials as said an electrical short circuit started the blaze at the relay station near Serpukhov, in the Kaluga region some 120 miles (200km) southwest of Moscow. Firefighters were sent from the capital to help tackle the blaze with specialised foam-making equipment that Defence Ministry crews on the scene lacked. No one was injured and all secret documents, computer programmes, weapons and equipment were rescued from the burning relay station, Perminov said. Starved since the collapse of the Soviet Union of the vast funds it once enjoyed, the Russian military keeps much ageing equipment in use well past its designed lifespan. Short of cash Military specialist Alexander Golts said that 70 percent of Russia's 100-130 military satellites were nearing the end of their operational life. Bureaucratic reorganisations have left the satellite network short of cash and bedevilled by a complicated chain of command. Another of the habitual bureaucratic restructurings is going on right now. All the space forces are being separated from the structure of the Strategic Rocket Forces. Two years ago they merged, he said. Geoffrey Forden of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology wrote last week that Russia's failing space-based early-warning systems posed a potential risk. Russia no longer has the working fleet of early warning satellites that reassured its leaders that they were not under attack during the most recent false alert, he said in an article posted on the Cato Institute website. He was referring to a 1995 incident in which Russia briefly mistook a scientific rocket launched from Norway for a US nuclear missile. With decaying satellites, the possibility exits that, if a false alert occurs again, Russia might launch its nuclear-tipped missiles, he wrote. At the time, Russian officials dismissed the article as groundless. -- Best Wishes We only regret that the editors of The Daily Californian allowed themselves to give in to pressure in a manner that unfortunately violated their professional integrity and journalistic duty to protect speech with which they may disagree. The knee-jerk response by the Californian is frighteningly indicative of the growing tendency of college newspapers to allow the opinions they publish to be stomped out for fear of being called names. - editorial, University of Wisconsin _Badger Herald_, on the supine response of other college newspapers to campus radicals recently. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Skolnick-OKC Bombings...A Split In The FBI?
I am not trying to defend McV at all, but WHAT IF he was just a bit player in all of this and by the FBI withholding evidence of possible others involved, certainly the John Doe No. 2 (whose identity some of us think we know ;-) and everybody else from Iraqis to Bin Laden, he was just a driver for a much larger group? WHAT IF he had been able to prove this or had talked and named others? Might he have received life penalty instead of death? And IF this HAD been the case, he might not have admitted his part in ANY of this?? Does the withholding of information have a bearing on his admission? Is this a form of entrapment~~hide anything that would help him and when he gets the death penalty, maybe he will justadmit to it all since he is going to die, anyway. So what I am wondering is, is this fair? I know, I know, spare me the flames~~what he did was NOT fair even if he was only a minor player. We are supposed to have FAIR trials in this country and if this is done on something of this magnitude, the small cases don't even have a shot at anything close to fair! Whole judicial system has become totally corrupt! I think 'they' knew if he got the death penalty, knowing he was going to die anyway, he'd take the wrap for any and all involved. IMHO, ~Amelia~
[CTRL] Fwd: [CTRL] Waco Protest ALERT!
After this I DOUBT SERIOUSLY that El DOUCHE is "just goofing" or an "accidental tourist"... The FUCKIN' PRICK! Sorry, I lost my head... B. In The Name of God Most Gracious, Most Merciful I would like you to do something for me that I am sure you are very good at KISS MY ASS. X98 _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [CTRL] A modest proposal
-Caveat Lector- I am leaving for a hiking trip in the Grand Canyon. Fortunately it is still protected from oil drilling and mining operations. :) Steve On 11 May 01, at 15:16, William Bacon wrote: Hello! Well it's been almost 3 days since I posted my ami an extremist? and no response from Steve Wingate. What's the matter? Your buzzword generator not working? Well anyway, you might ask what is your modest proposal? Well my modest proposal involves what these watermelon environmental groups can do to promote their weird notions of environmental wackoism in a constitutional manner! Why don't these groups voluntaraliy move to some pristine wilderness area and use all of their proposals and develop a demonstration community that is environmentally friendly? And if living in caves, herding sheep and eating raw vegtables is appealling to other people, then people are perfectly free to join them. And of course I would stipulate that these wackos would of course leave people like me alone who favors suburban sprawl, nuclear power, all of the pro production proposals I made in my energy independence artilce alone, and we all would live happilly ever after? Anything wrong with this? An inquiring mind would like to know! Bill Bacon ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Black Vault
-Caveat Lector- This is a very old post from Kris but the site is still working and has many updates and new information. ~Amelia~ - Original Message - From: Teo One Thousand [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 28, 1999 10:46 PM Subject: [CTRL] The Black Vault -Caveat Lector- Enter only if you dare. URL: http://www.blackvault.com Enjoy Teo1000 Welcome to The Black Vault, your premier source for government documents pertaining to a vast array of subjects. You are entering a database that is one of a kind on the world of the Internet, and a database in which you can not find anywhere else. The Black Vault is not much of a web site, but an online research center for curious minds, students, and everyone alike. What is it? The Black Vault is a site created by myself, John Greenewald, Jr. (a 17 year old Senior at Alemany High School), to better inform the public of what is going on within the secret walls of the United States Government. I have archived here my collection of what I have found pertaining to various subjects such as: UFO´s, Top Secret Military Aviation, Biological Weapons, Nuclear Weapons, and many more! The one of a kind database you will find here are government documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act. What makes this database so unique? The fact that the documents are scanned online, and are kept in image form (downloadable images). This site is the result of over 2 and one half years of research into the vast government archives, and online you can find my results. You will find my initial letter to the government agency, their response, and the documents themselves. Open your mind to the unknown. What you find here will make you think, and make the unbelievable become believable. Relax... enjoy... and welcome to the one place where the government secrets become KNOWN. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [drugwarvictims] Oppose the John Walters drug czar nomination
-Caveat Lector- I am opposed to the War on Drugs and do not really have strong feelings about this particular individual as I do not yet know enough about him. There is, however, a link to express your disapproval if anybody is interested in doing so. ~Amelia~ - Original Message - From: F.M.Sielaff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 7:51 PM Subject: [FPE] [drugwarvictims] Oppose the John Walters drug czar nomination Original Message Subject: [drugwarvictims] Oppose the John Walters drug czar nomination Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 18:20:42 -0400 From: Kevin Doblosky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please take two minutes to contact the Senate in opposition to the nomination of John Walters for the office of Director of the US Office of National Drug Control Policy (the drug czar). Walters is a fanatic who has enthusiastically praised the Peruvian military's practice of shooting down aircraft suspected of being used by drug traffickers. Last month, two American missionaries were killed in such a shoot-down, inevitable casualties of an extraordinarily reckless and immoral practice that violates international law. Visit http://www.stopthedrugwar.org/walters/ to send a free e-mail or fax to your two US Senators asking them to vote NO on the Walters nomination. When you are done call them on the phone to make greater impact. Even if we don't succeed in stopping the nomination, raising our voices now will put pressure on the administration to moderate their drug policies. Shooting down airplanes isn't the only extreme view John Walters holds on this issue. In 1996, Walters testified before Congress in opposition to the Sentencing Commission's recommendation to lower federal crack cocaine penalties to the same level as powder cocaine. Walters has dismissed the problem of racial bias in drug enforcement as an urban myth, despite overwhelming evidence that such bias is rampant; for example, African Americans make up only 13% of the nation's drug users, yet account for more than 70% of drug incarcerations. His recommendation on cocaine penalties was made despite a consensus among serious observers of criminal justice that powder cocaine enforcement is also carried out in a racially discriminatory fashion. As Deputy Director of ONDCP during the previous Bush administration, Walters favored incarceration over drug treatment and education. He has lobbied Congress for stiffer penalties for nonviolent drug offenders, and opposed state laws exempting medical marijuana users from criminal penalties. In 1996, Walters coauthored a paper entitled The Clinton Administration's Continuing Retreat in the War on Drugs. In truth, however, the Clinton Administration escalated the drug war, imprisoning more people for drug offenses than during the preceding Reagan and Bush administrations combined. To characterize the harsh Clinton drug war record as a retreat is to elevate partisan politics over truthful discussion and to show a deep disrespect to the American people on an issue of the greatest importance. In short, the Walters drug record is one of propaganda, extremism and disregard for issues of racial equality. John Walters is unfit to lead the nation on drug policy, and should be rejected by the US Congress. The Walters nomination has been criticized by mainstream news outlets such as the New York Times and the Economist, even by the conservative flagship magazine National Review. Visit http://www.stopthedrugwar.org/walters/ to access this and other information and to send a message to the Senate against this retrograde nomination -- and please call or fax your two US Senators and urge them to vote against the confirmation of John Walters as Director of the Office of National Drug Control Policy. Visit http://www.senate.gov to find out how to reach them, or call the Congressional Switchboard at (202) 224-3121. Time is of the essence! Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A
