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[CTRL] Patriotism a Communist Plot All Along?

2002-07-09 Thread lloyd


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Subject:  Patriotism a Communist Plot All Along?

REVIEW | June 3, 2002

 Patriotism's Secret History


by Peter Dreier  Dick Flacks 
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Many Americans believe that the left is antipatriotic (and even
anti-American), while the political right truly expresses the American
spirit and reveres its symbols. Particularly since the late 1960s--when the
movement against US intervention in Vietnam gained momentum--the terms
progressive and patriotism have rarely been used in the same sentence,
at least in the mainstream media. It has become conventional wisdom that
conservatives wave the American flag while leftists burn it. Patriotic
Americans display the flag on their homes; progressives turn it upside down
to show contempt.

Recent months have seen a dramatic increase in the number of Americans
proudly displaying the Stars and Stripes on their cars, homes, businesses,
T-shirts, caps, lapel pins and even tattoos. This outpouring of flag-waving
signifies a variety of sentiments--from identification with the victims of
the September 11 attacks to support for the military's invasion of
Afghanistan. But in our popular culture, displays of the American flag
are--along with the very idea of patriotism--typically viewed as
expressions of conservative politics. The patriotic fervor since
September 11 has revitalized that belief and, as in other times, has given
conservative politicos and pundits a handy means to undermine dissent and
progressive initiatives.

A case in point: In Santa Barbara, California, progressive County
Supervisor Gail Marshall is facing the possibility of a recall election
fueled by right-wing forces opposed to her support for environmental
regulation, affordable housing and labor unions. Because Marshall occupies
the key swing seat on the five-member county board, Santa Barbara's
conservative activists--funded by oil interests, agribusiness and land
developers--have been trying to unseat her for years. They launched a
recall campaign after Marshall refused to rubber-stamp a proposal to
require the Pledge of Allegiance at meetings of one of her community
advisory boards. Marshall said she wanted the board to discuss the idea,
but her opponents--who made sure that TV camera crews were present at the
meeting where the issue first surfaced--have turned her civil libertarian
instincts into proof that she's hostile to public expressions of patriotism.

In TV ads and newsletters, Marshall's opponents--who are gathering
signatures for a recall petition that, if successful, will go before the
voters this fall--claim that her alleged reluctance to have the pledge
recited was clear confirmation of their suspicion that she is a socialist.

Ironically, the Pledge of Allegiance was written in 1892 by a leading
Christian socialist, Francis Bellamy, who was fired from his Boston
ministry for his sermons depicting Jesus as a socialist. Bellamy penned the
Pledge of Allegiance for Youth's Companion, a magazine for young people
published in Boston with a circulation of about 500,000.

A few years earlier, the magazine had sponsored a largely successful
campaign to sell American flags to public schools. In 1891 the magazine
hired Bellamy--whose first cousin Edward Bellamy was the famous socialist
author of the utopian novel Looking Backward--to organize a public
relations campaign to celebrate the 400th anniversary of Christopher
Columbus's discovery of America by promoting use of the flag in public
schools. Bellamy gained the support of the National Education Association,
along with President Benjamin Harrison and Congress, for a national ritual
observance in the schools, and he wrote the Pledge of Allegiance as part of
the program's flag salute ceremony.

Bellamy thought such an event would be a powerful expression on behalf of
free public education. Moreover, he wanted all the schoolchildren of
America to recite the pledge at the same moment. He hoped the pledge would
promote a moral vision to counter the individualism embodied in capitalism
and expressed in the climate of the Gilded Age, with its robber barons and
exploitation of workers. Bellamy intended the line One nation indivisible
with liberty and justice for all to express a more collective and
egalitarian vision of America.

Bellamy's view that unbridled capitalism, materialism and individualism
betrayed America's promise was widely shared in the nineteenth and
twentieth centuries. Many American radicals and progressive reformers
proudly asserted their patriotism. To them, America stood for basic
democratic values--economic and social equality,

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 Jared Israel: Mr. Lane, this is Jared Israel calling from the
 Website, Emperor's Clothes. We deal with foreign policy and we're
 examining the widespread argument that you guys are behind everything
 that's happened in Central Asia.

 Barry Lane: And I'm trying to figure out how you get to that! [Laughs
 boisterously.]

 Jared Israel: Well, there are two key points. One of which we're
 already documenting, which is that Zalmay Khalilzad was a consultant
 for you -

 Barry Lane: Well, he was and he wasn't.

 Jared Israel: My understanding is he never worked directly for you.
 Is that right?

 Barry Lane: Yep. He worked for Cambridge Energy Research Associates.
 CERA. C-E-R-A. That's Daniel Yergin's outfit. Like the RAND
 Corporation -

 Jared Israel: They're owned by RAND?

 Barry Lane: No, no they're *like* RAND. They're a consultant. And
 Khalilzad worked for them. Because he was quite a noted expert on
 Afghanistan you know, so he did consulting for us.

 Jared Israel: My understanding is that he's a door-opener because
 he's very influential. Is that correct?

 Barry Lane: Well, yes.

 Jared Israel: Is it commonplace for companies dealing with an area to
 have people working for them that have influence in the area. I mean
 -

 Barry Lane: You know, that's how Henry Kissinger makes his living
 today.

 Jared Israel: The argument is then made by people that therefore what
 he is doing now he is doing as your agent or the agent of the oil
 industry in general.

 Barry Lane: Well, I'm trying to figure out how you get there because
 we officially - and this was way back in in December 1998 - withdrew
 from the Centgas consortium and never looked back.

 Jared Israel: Is any other oil company now hot and panting for a
 pipeline through there?

 Barry Lane: I haven't heard of anybody else except Turkmenistan,
 Pakistan and Afghanistan. Turkmenistan would want it so it would have
 a place to sell its gas and Pakistan would want it so it would have a
 gas supply for its markets *if* they do need a supply anymore.

 Jared Israel: And of course Afghanistan wants the fees. It occurred
 to me that it's in the interest of Afghanistan to say UNOCAL is still
 interested because that makes the project seem more attractive and
 *they* need it as a cash cow. So you guys are not secretly planning
 to go back?

 Barry Lane: No. No we've got enough other things on our plate that
 are placing demands on our capital and our management's time and
 basically we've kind of focused on many other areas. Plenty of other
 things on our plate and that's not one of them. We've said that over
 and over again.

 Jared Israel: So you're not going to surprise us tomorrow? The
 so-called proof that's presented that you are still involved is a May
 13th BBC article in which the source is Alim Razim, Afghanistan's
 minister for Mines and Industries. And the BBC quote is:

 Mr Razim said US energy company Unocal was the 'lead company' among
 those that would build the pipeline, which would bring 30bn cubic
 meters of Turkmen gas to market annually.

 Barry Lane: Well if you read the actual words that are said, and we
 don't know if the quotes are direct - watch the tenses very closely -
 you'll notice he said Unocal *was* the lead you know -

 Jared Israel: You're right. It's not a direct quote. The only thing
 they're quoting are the words, lead company. The other thing that
 is being asserted everywhere is that Hamid Karzai, the current head
 of the Afghan 'government' once worked for you.

 Barry Lane: Yeah. Yeah, well that's probably one of the great urban
 legends. He never worked for us.

 Jared Israel: He didn't work for somebody else who worked for you?

 Barry Lane: No. No, not him. He was never a consultant, never an
 employee. We've exhaustively searched through all our records to try
 and find out where the hell that came from.

 Jared Israel: Le Monde. Dec. 6th, 2001.

 Barry Lane: Le Monde. Le Monde was the one who wrote it first and you
 know what's strange about it is I've asked reporters over and over
 again, go ask Mr. Karzai himself. And nobody has.

 Jared Israel: Well the argument is that there is something sinister
 and therefore you would both deny it anyway. But my argument is in
 order to posit that this relationship existed in the first place you
 have to have some

[CTRL] NYTimes.com Article: Study Favors Different Tack on Smallpox

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Study Favors Different Tack on Smallpox

July 9, 2002
By WILLIAM J. BROAD






A new study finds large differences in how four different
vaccination strategies would fight a smallpox terror
attack, with the best allowing 440 deaths and the worst
110,000 deaths.

The study used a mathematical model to compare how a
smallpox attack on a large city that infected 1,000 people
would progress when countered with diverse vaccination
plans meant to halt the spread of the highly contagious
disease.

In all cases, mass vaccination of the United States
population worked far better than limited, local
immunizations, a strategy the federal government has tended
to prefer.

We find that mass vaccination results in both far fewer
deaths and much faster epidemic eradication, the authors
concluded.

In the best case, the hypothetical epidemic was halted in
115 days and in the worst, 350 days.

The analysis, published this week in the online edition of
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, was
written by Edward H. Kaplan, a public health specialist at
Yale University, and David L. Craft and Lawrence M. Wein,
both of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

Ever since smallpox was eradicated from human populations
decades ago, federal officials have resisted mass
vaccination because the vaccine uses a live virus that can
cause severe side effects and even kill. In the days of
widespread vaccination, roughly one person in a million
receiving the vaccine died.

But federal policy is in flux because of fears of
bioterrorism. Although today only Russia and the United
States are known to have stocks of the virus, experts say
clandestine supplies probably exist.

Most people are considered vulnerable to a smallpox attack
because immunity is thought to wane over time. The United
States stopped routine vaccinations in 1972. Smallpox kills
roughly one in three victims who are unvaccinated.

Vaccination can save even infected people: if given within
four days of exposure to the virus, the vaccine halts the
disease's advance.

The new study, coming amid rising criticism of federal
policy in recent months, claims to be the first to make
detailed comparisons of the vaccination options. It expands
on a presentation Dr. Kaplan gave last month in Washington.


The study found the least effective method to be ring
vaccination, the primary way smallpox was eradicated from
human populations. It consists of isolating infected
patients and vaccinating people found to be in close
contact with them, forming a ring of immunization around
any outbreak and a barrier to its spread.

In the hypothetical attack, ring vaccination allowed
367,000 cases of smallpox and 110,000 deaths and took 350
days to extinguish the outbreak.

By contrast, mass vaccinations as soon as authorities
became aware of a attack - it takes roughly two weeks for
smallpox to incubate and a body to show symptoms - would
result in 1,830 cases and 560 deaths within 115 days.

The study found that if the authorities decided belatedly
to switch from ring-to-mass vaccination on the 33rd day of
the crisis, the effect would still be considerable, 15,570
cases and 4,680 deaths. The cost of waiting, the authors
said, is very high - 4,120 incremental deaths.

The study found that the vaccination of the United States
population before an attack worked best of all to cut
fatalities.

If only 40 percent of the population were immunized before
any such attack, the same attack followed by wider mass
vaccinations would produce 440 deaths. But if followed with
ring vaccinations, the result would be 40,000 deaths.

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[CTRL] NYTimes.com Article: Do Firefighters Like to Set Fires?

2002-07-09 Thread Tenor Love


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Do Firefighters Like to Set Fires?

July 9, 2002
By ERICA GOODE






Terry Lynn Barton was trained to spot the first glimmerings
of fire in the Pike National Forest in Colorado, where she
worked as a seasonal employee for the United States Forest
Service.

Leonard Gregg was a part-time firefighter on the Fort
Apache Indian reservation in Arizona.

So it was perhaps predictable that the arrest of Ms. Barton
and Mr. Gregg, who are charged with starting the largest
wildfires in the histories of their respective states,
would revive the notion that firefighters and others whose
work involves putting out fires were also more prone to set
them.

Arson, an environmentalist in the Northwest declared
confidently in newspaper accounts after the arrests, is
wildfire fighters' dirtiest little secret.

A former fire department engineer in Arizona told a
reporter that most arson fires were started by active or
retired firefighters - a fact he said he had learned in his
training.

But forensic experts who study arsonists say there is no
evidence to support the idea that firefighters are any more
prone to sparking fires than anyone else.

It's an urban myth, said Paul Schwartzman, an expert on
juvenile fire setters and a member of the National Fire
Protection Association's education board. They're no more
highly represented than other groups.

His assessment was echoed by Dr. David J. Icove, an
engineer and arson specialist with the Tennessee Valley
Authority police.

Firefighters are no more drawn to arson than police
officers are to crime, Dr. Icove said.

To be sure, there are cases of fire professionals betraying
their public mission, and some notorious ones at that.

John Orr, an arson investigator and fire captain in
Southern California, was convicted of setting three fires
on his way home from a convention of his colleagues in
1987. Mr. Orr, now in prison, denied his guilt, but
investigators found an unpublished novel he had written
about an arson investigator who set fires.

Paul Keller, the so-called Seattle arsonist, who ignited
fires in the early 1990's, was a fire buff who tried hard
to become a firefighter.

Luckily, everybody turned him down, said Dr. Marcel
Chappuis, a clinical psychologist who has studied arsonists
and is a consultant to the Salt Lake City Fire Department.
He said Mr. Keller would set fires and then time how long
it took the fire department to arrive.

He'd go right in the middle of two fire districts and see
who got there first, the psychologist said. He knew all
about engines and water capacity.

During times of economic hardship - the Great Depression,
for example - firefighters who were paid for hourly work
set blazes to earn money: federal prosecutors in Arizona
have claimed that Mr. Gregg, charged with igniting the
brush and timber that started Arizona's Rodeo fire on June
18, did so for money. As a seasonal firefighter, his $8 an
hour job depended on having fires to fight.

Ms. Barton, a mother of two daughters who worked part-time
for the forest service, told investigators she had in anger
burned a letter from her estranged husband in a campfire
ring, and the fire got out of control. Both Ms. Barton and
Mr. Gregg have pleaded not guilty to setting the fires.

Timothy G. Huff, a former analyst in the Federal Bureau of
Investigation's profiling unit who works as a consultant to
law enforcement groups, had little difficulty finding arson
cases committed by firefighters for an F.B.I. study in
1994. The cases stood out so prominently to fire
investigators that Mr. Huff had simply to do a little
informal polling at training sessions across the country to
collect his sample.

The primary motive among the 75 firefighters, who alone or
in groups were responsible for 182 fires, was a need for
power and excitement, Mr. Huff found.

Revenge was the most infrequent motive for arson, though in
one case a volunteer firefighter torched a fire station,
and in another a group of demoralized firefighters set
fires to get back at their disliked chief.

Yet the former F.B.I. analyst also disputed that
firefighting and fire setting were linked in any systematic
way. Of the million or so firefighters in the United
States, Mr. Huff pointed out, only a tiny fraction are
known to have committed arson, and no data exist indicating
this number is disproportional.

Still, neither Mr. Huff nor other experts were surprised
that such an idea would exert a folkloric pull. People have
a lot of misguided beliefs about arsonists, they said.

Take the term pyromania, a label frequently used by law
enforcement officials and in public discussions of fire
setting. Pyromania also appears as a diagnostic category on
the American Psychiatric Association's list of mental
disorders.

Descriptions of people

[CTRL] On the Eve of Disconstruction

2002-07-09 Thread Euphorian


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On eve of Wall Street speech

Bushs past business dealings come back to haunt him

By Barry Grey
9 July 2002

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On the eve of a much publicized speech to business executives on Wall Street,
George W. Bush held an impromptu press conference Monday at which he was
peppered with questions regarding his own dealings as a board member of Texas-
based Harken Energy more than a decade ago.

Even as he read a prepared statement pledging to take a tough stand against
corporate law- breakers, Bush could not suppress his trademark smirk. Asked about
the 1991 Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) probe into his sell-off of
Harken stock only weeks before the company reported massive losses, Bush
continued to stonewall.

Nevertheless, he was clearly on the defensive. Bushs most significant remark came
in response to a question about the growing wave of corporate scandals, which that
very morning had hit yet another major US company, Merck  Co. The Wall Street
Journal reported Monday that the drug giant had recorded $12.4 billion in revenue
over the past three years that it had never collected.

[I]m very worried about a country that could conceivably lose confidence in the free
enterprise system, Bush told reporters.

This admission was a stark expression of a growing sense of crisis within the Bush
administration, concerning not only the short-term stability of the Republican White
House, but also the long-term future of the profit system itself. The fear that the
exposure of corporate criminality could fuel popular anger over the growth of social
inequality and lead to the emergence of a political movement against the so-called
free enterprise system is increasingly gripping the corporate and political
establishment.

It is one of the major factors behind the sudden proliferation of press reports and
commentaries on Bushs personal business practices. White House spokesmen
keep repeating that these are old issues that they thought had been settled long ago.
These questions have reemerged, however, because the bursting of the stock
market bubble and the collapse of corporate empires based on the wild inflation of
share values and various forms of swindling and fraud have created a new climate of
political crisis.

The attacks on Bushs business record by sections of the media and influential
economic commentators manifests a central aspect of this crisis: the emergence of
sharp divisions within the upper reaches of the ruling elite over the policies of the
Bush administration on a whole host of questions. Behind the scenes, conflicts are
raging over the reckless and incendiary nature of Bushs initiatives, both at home and
abroad.

Concerns are mounting over the dangerous implications of Bushs military
interventions, his increasingly provocative posture toward Europe, and the domestic
implications of his policy of removing all restrictions on corporate profit-making.
Powerful sections of the corporate establishment fear that the policies of the
administration could lead to a crisis of catastrophic proportions. They have seized on
Bushs personal misdeeds as a means of waging this covert political war in the public
arena.

This, however, does not diminish the intrinsic significance of the corrupt business
dealings that are being exposed. What is involved in the record of Bushs corporate
career is not some manufactured scandal, like the Whitewater affair. That relatively
small-time real estate venture, which lost money, was seized on by right-wing
opponents of the Clinton administration as the pretext for a political conspiracy aimed
at bringing down the government.

Bushs insider trading, on the other hand, was a real violation of securities laws, and
it typified the type of practices that have become synonymous with Enron, Global
Crossing, WorldCom and a string of other companies.

Bush goes to Wall Street to lecture executives on business ethics under conditions in
which a mountain of evidence demonstrates that he and virtually every other leading
member of his administration personify in their own corporate careers the very
methods he intends to denounce.

White House spokesmen have said the president will use his Wall Street speech to
reiterate his recent calls for corporate law-breakers to be prosecuted and for the
worst offenders to be sent to a jail. The purpose of such statements is to placate
growing popular anger over the systematic looting of the economy by the corporate
elite. The idea is to make an example of a few swindlers, in order to divert attention
from the pervasive thievery that has come to characterize American free enterprise.

If Bush were serious, he might begin with his own Army Secretary, Thomas White,
who was vice chairman of Enron Energy Services when it concealed hundreds of
millions of dollars

Re: [CTRL] is this a joke?

2002-07-09 Thread IGGY

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it kept crashing netscape on me...
iggy
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no,
it's real. you can get a copy of any licence, just like it says.

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Re: [CTRL] NYTimes.com Article: Do Firefighters Like to Set Fires?

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Subject: [CTRL] NYTimes.com Article: Do Firefighters Like to Set Fires?

 Firefighters are no more drawn to arson than police
 officers are to crime, Dr. Icove said.

an unfortunate comparison that supports rather than refutes the argument
possibly...

arsonists within the fire services are like paedophiles in the care
services. if at all possible they seek the trust of their peers in as close
an environment as they can be to their subject of interest.
not sure about over there- in the article there was contrasting opinions
about the stats- but over here in the uk there have been numerous incidents
of chronic arsonists joining the fireservices and having a whale of a time.
strange though, the combination of needs and desires in such situations. are
they pulled in diffrent ways? the buzz of lighting a fire as opposed to the
(seeming) desire to set it so that they can fight it and be heroic... and
with paedophiles- certain of them seem to put themselves into positions of
responsibility- and of public standing in the field in which they work. one
might think that the proximity of the interest (fire or children) might be
enough (to have access). but this pull on them (arrrogance?) to go
further- to want some kind of public glory- or public respect from their
peers is often their downfall. kinda sweet, but you wonder at the
motivations of such people, regardless of their hateful interests.
are they more ill or more cunning than the arsonist/paedophile who seeks
access, but keep their head down so as not to raise suspicion?

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2002-07-09 Thread IGGY

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http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/wbardwel/public/nfalist/clinton_nov_7_1998_radio.txt

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http://www.whitehouse.gov/WH/html/radio.html

THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
Saturday, November 7, 1998

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IN RADIO ADDRESS TO THE NATION
The Oval Office

THE PRESIDENT: Good morning. This week the American people sent a
clear message to Washington that we must put politics aside and
take real action on the real challenges facing are nation: saving
Social Security for the 21st century, passing a patients' bill of
rights, strengthening our schools by finishing the job of hiring
100,000 teachers and passing my plan to build or modernize 5,000
schools across our country.

Over the past six years, we have taken real action to address
another important challenge: making our communities safe for our
families. For too long it seemed that rising crime was a
frightening fact of life in America. In too many communities
children could not play on the street or walk to school in safety,
older Americans locked themselves in their homes with fear, and
gangs armed with illegal guns boldly roamed our streets and
schools.

I took office determined to change this, committed to a
comprehensive anti-crime strategy based on more community
policing, tougher penalties, and better prevention. Today our
strategy is showing remarkable results. We're ahead of schedule
and under budget in meeting our goal of putting 100,000 police on
the street. And all across America, crime rates have fallen to a
25-year low, respect for the law is on the rise, families are
beginning to feel safe in their communities again.

Keeping guns out of the hands of criminals has been at the center
of our strategy, and an essential part of our success. Since I
signed the Brady Law, after a big debate in Congress which was led
in the House of Representatives by now Senator-elect Charles
Schumer of New York, background checks have put a stop to nearly a
quarter of a million handgun purchases by fugitives or felons. Law
enforcement officers from around the country have told us that
fewer guns on the street have made a huge difference in the lives
of families they serve.

At the end of this month, we will make the Brady Law even
stronger. For the first time ever, we will require background
checks for the purchase of any firearm, whether purchased from a
licensed gun deal or a pawn shop. But under this new Insta-Check
system, as it's called, we'll be able to run nearly twice as many
background checks, and most of them in just a matter of minutes.

We've spent five years working with state and local law
enforcement to put this system in place, but when it comes to our
families' safety, we must take another important step. Every year,
an untold number of firearms are bought and sold at an estimated
5,000 gun shows around our country. I come from a state where
these shows are very popular. I have visited and enjoyed them over
the years. They're often the first place parents teach their
children how to handle firearms safely. I know most gun dealers
and owners are dedicated to promoting safe and legal gun use.

[CTRL] Bin Laden plans fresh terror for September

2002-07-09 Thread klewis


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http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,750967,00.html

Bin Laden plans fresh terror for September
Terrorism crisis - Observer special
Jason Burke and Martin Bright
SundayJuly  7, 2002
The Observer
Terrorists are planning a series of spectacular attacks on American,
British and Israeli targets to coincide with the anniversary of the
destruction of the World Trade Centre on 11 September last year.

Intelligence agencies in the UK, southern Asia and the Middle East
are detecting an increased volume of communications between
suspected al-Qaeda cells as the organisation, led by the fugitive
Saudi-born dissident Osama bin Laden, accelerates efforts to pull
off a major operation in the days around the anniversary of the New
York and Washington attacks.

According to sources in Pakistan, al-Qaeda activists there have
been given a three-month deadline to work with associates from
local hardline Islamist organisations to target Western interests in
the region.

British intelligence sources told  The Observer that the UK is third on
the list of al-Qaeda's preferred targets - after the US and Israel, and
confirmed last night that credible reports of planned al-Qaeda
attacks had grown.

'The threat remains high and the background noise has been
growing over recent weeks. It's a question of when, rather than if,
they will attempt another spectacular,' said one Whitehall source.
Western security agencies predominantly rely on communications
intercepts, which they correlate with tip-offs from informers and
information from questioning arrested suspects to alert them to
forthcoming attacks. Increases in the volume of communications
between known al-Qaeda suspects also suggest that action may be
imminent.

Abu Zubaydah, the top al-Qaeda operative arrested in March in
Pakistan, has told his American interrogators that the terrorist group
was planning a wide range of 'mass casualty attacks'.

Bin Laden is believed to be hiding in the rugged mountains that line
the frontier between Afghanistan and Pakistan. Many of his
followers remain in Pakistan.

Last week four al-Qaeda gunmen and three paramilitary policemen
died in a shoot-out near Kohat, on the borders of the semi-
autonomous tribal areas where an estimated 300 al-Qaeda fighters
are hiding.

Investigators in Karachi, probing last month's bomb attack on the
US consulate in the city, believe that al-Qaeda operatives are now
linking up with local Islamic terror and crime groups to carry out their
attacks.

The new warning is the second such alert issued by intelligence
services in the last seven months. The CIA and MI6 issued a
warning at the end of last year after interrogations of al-Qaeda
suspects in Camp X-Ray in Cuba revealed that the al-Qaeda high
command had regrouped after the bombing of Afghanistan and was
already planning attacks across the world.

Moroccan intelligence sources told The Observer last month that
they had been told by their American and British counterparts that
al-Qaeda reconnaissance cells had been sent from Afghanistan
after the bombing of the Tora Bora mountain HQ last December
with detailed instructions to carry out attacks on Western and
Jewish targets.

As a result the Moroccans were last month able to foil a
'spectacular' designed to hit British and American troops in the Strait
of Gibraltar by arresting a cell of three Saudi al-Qaeda operatives.

Following the destruction of their support infrastructure in
Afghanistan last autumn, bin Laden's operatives have dispersed
throughout the region and into the Middle East.

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Re: [CTRL] NYTimes.com Article: Do Firefighters Like to Set Fires?


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about the stats- but over here in the uk there have been numerous
incidents
of chronic arsonists joining the fireservices and having a whale of a
time.
strange though, the combination of needs and desires in such
situations. are
they pulled in diffrent ways? the buzz of lighting a fire as opposed to

the
(seeming) desire to set it so that they can fight it and be heroic...
and
with paedophiles- certain of them seem to put themselves into positions

of
responsibility- and of public standing in the field in which they
work.

I'm wondering if it isn't mind-control?

I made a brief comment with the article, let me expand here. The whole
fire situation falls under the land-grab conspiracy theory: there is
a conspiracy, led by NWO elites, to make large swaths of land in the
western U.S. and Canada, off limits to humans, so the non-human animals
will have a sacred place of their own. Wildfires, according to this
conspiracy, are one of the main tools used in the process of
land-grabbing, others being weather (Texas floods?) and gummint (CARA).
Anyway, the elite land-grabbers, like all conspiratorial elites, need
Manchurian Candidates, programmed sleepers, etc., to do their dirty
work and then take the fall for it, leaving the elites in the clear and
the public in the dark. So, as the theory goes, they program an
arsonist, and then plant them in a job with, say, the Forest Service.
The ManCan sets the fire, with the resulting property damage and human
displacement; the ManCan comes forward and confesses to the crime, is
led away never to be seen again, and some global elite steps in, buys
the land for pennies on the dollar, and makes it permanently off-limits
to humans.

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What is the point of posting a 4 year old speech with no commentary?



on 7/9/02 7:01 AM, IGGY at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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Re: [CTRL] NYTimes.com Article: Do Firefighters Like to Set Fires?


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 Maybe Manchurian Candidates are being programmed to be firefighters in order
 to have access to the land.



More likely that people who are attracted to fire are attracted to the
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 I'm wondering if it isn't mind-control?

it seems overcomplicated and unneccessary. can't the federal government just
take the land legitimately , say for military use?
manchurian candidates would only need to be programmed by dollars... and
judging by the regularity of *seemingly* related violent deaths amongst
politicians et al over the years associated with major government scandals
like the kennedy assassination, post-operation security issues never seem to
be a problem.
if your resources are on a scale to be able to create sleepers- people
apparently oblivious to their destined shadow mission in life- then i think
the resources are there to do such things in much simpler ways.
i am just now not sure i remember any manchurian survivors/ test subjects
ever being convincing in their stories. and i don't remember any *seemingly
genuine* survivors telling their stories without recovered memory therapy to
aid them. and we all know what a big bag of poo recovered memory therapy is.

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[CTRL] Chamish - More LAX

2002-07-09 Thread Joshua Tinnin


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http://www.rense.com/general26/cham_more.htm

Chamish - More LAX
By Barry Chamish
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7-8-2

We don't have much time. The El Al counter murders in Los Angeles are fast
being covered up. Two days ago I presented preliminary evidence suggesting
that the terror attack, was in fact, a bungled attempt to assassinate
Shimon Peres' granddaughter. Peres inhabits a world of murder, and he has at
least since he organized the Rabin assassination in 1995. His European
circles want Israel to stop existing as a sovereign state and he was to be
their blunt instrument of destruction. But Peres has been blackmailed over
the Rabin murder and he has been mostly neutralized in Israel. His
controllers are most unhappy with what they view as his betrayal of them and
sought to exact vengeance against his beloved grandchild. A wild scenario?
Let us review the evidence two days later.

Translated from the Hebrew:

Arutz Sheva, Friday, July 5

The shooter first took deliberate aim at the El Al hostess behind the
counter, then turned back and shot at those in line.

Witnesses at the scene reported that the shooter did not look Middle Eastern
and he shouted, Artie took my job, I lost my job.

The FBI added that no employee named Artie had worked recently for El Al in
Los Angeles.

FROM Inyan Mercazi, [www.news-israel.net], a Hebrew website:

PERES' GRANDDAUGHTER WAS BESIDE THE COUNTER AT THE TIME OF THE ATTACK.

Shimon Peres' granddaughter Michal Valden was right beside the El Al counter
at the time of the Los Angeles attack. Valden and her (girl) friend were
arranging to board the flight to Toronto and from there return to Israel.
The moment the attack begin, she called her family in Israel to report on
the incident. So it is no surprise that Shimon Peres was the first to
declare it a terror attack.

LA Attacker Claims Two Lives At El Al Desk (IsraelNN.com)

While FBI officials stated it was too early to know for certain if it was a
terror attack, Israeli security officials stated it was being treated as an
act of terror. Late last night, Foreign Minister Shimon Peres stated with
certainty it was a terror attack.


***

THE DISINFORMATION CAMPAIGN BEGINS AND QUICKLY

ALL early reports of the shooting have a 52 year old caucasian with a
ponytail doing the deed. Since the blame fell on a 41 year old dark Egyptian
named Hesham Mohamed Hadayet, rumors were spread that the reports about a
blonde man doing the shooting came from a caller to CNN who pranked them. He
was making a reference to the Howard Stern Show, and gave a description of
one Jackie The Jokeman, a former Stern sidekick. Then it became quickly
clear that Hadayet had no criminal background, was not known to belong to
any political organizations and was friendly to his Jewish neighbors. So a
new picture was spread through the highly iffy Debka.com that not only was
Hadayet an active member of Egyptian Jihad, the group that tried to knock
down the World Trade Center in 1990 but was bosom buddies with the Air Egypt
co-pilot who allegedly crashed his passenger jet into the Atlantic in 1999.
My, my, such wide circles. This morning, Israel radio announced, on top of
all this, that Hadayet was also a member of Hamas. The humble limo driver
sure got around, didn't he? Shall we try to cut through the lies and sort
out the truth through media reports and those of my brilliant
correspondents? From Texas, a diligent researcher has located Dr. David
Parkus, who tried to revive Hadayet:***

OK, I'm trying to figure this incident out: First, there is only 1 Parkus
in the Texas Dept. of Public Safety database of driver's licenses
(www.publicdata.com) and kevdb.infospace.com listing of phone numbers:

David Parkus 3985 North St Beaumont, TX 77706 409-898-1302 (Beaumont is 100
miles east of Houston, on the Louisiana border.)

(What was he doing in LA on his way to Israel? Most Texans go to JFK to
connect to El Al.)

Next, why did the Egyptian show up at the airport if he was not anti-Israel?
Could it be that he was hired under the pretense of picking someone up?
Could there really have been a white/blonde pony-tailed man who did the
shooting, and, this limo-driver was setup as the shooter? Were the weapons
planted on him during the wrestling match with the first security guard
while the real shooter left? Was he shot while on the ground to prevent him
from giving his side of the story? Maybe the doctor can give some details.

Also, you should call Arutz-7's Mordechai Shenker and ask who was the person
he interviewed, during the Phil Chernovsky Torah Tidbits show, who claimed
to be an on-the-scene eyewitness and saw the blonde, white shooter? I'm
really baffled by this!

***

Another correspondent adds yet another witness who saw the blonde shooter.
***

In case you did not see this and nobody else has told you: Several hours
after the shooting there was a live interview of a security guard from the
air counter next to El Al, on CNN. They only showed the

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It is futile to try to explain algebra to an impaired third grader. As
far as covert operations go, you are in this class. It was either you or
your partner who asked me one of the stupidest questions I have ever
heard. At that point you became persona non grata to me because you had
demonstrated not the slightest degree of humility, manners, or
willingness to learn. You just assumed that you knew everything - about
everything.

Your worst problem is that you assume great experience and understanding
when you are dangerously naïve. Your most accurate statement in one of
your postings was that you were an amateur. I heartily agree.

As to the wine statement there is nothing to explain. Vreeland was
disoriented, in obvious pain and I recorded his statements over a hotel
phone in Sacramento. When I made the posting I said that I had no way to
verify what I had heard. Then I found out - thanks to this list - that
Vreeland's attorney Rocco Galati had indeed been poisoned and that it
had been reported in a Canadian paper.

I met with Galati in person on my last visit to Toronto and we discussed
the poisoning among other issues. I have agreed not to make any further
disclosures on the subject until after an upcoming court date where much
more will be disclosed.

Your bad manners, your inept arrogance and your bellicose private
threats to me off this list are ample evidence of how you should be
treated. There are times when a child should not be allowed to interfere
in matters of life and death, especially when the child doesn't have the
common sense possessed by an artichoke.

That is the last response you will get out of me. Now enjoy your ensuing
tantrum. But trust me, as far as Mike Vreeland is concerned, you will
have your comeuppance soon enough. And it won't be coming from me.

Have a nice day!

Mike Ruppert



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Hi Mr. Ruppert:

I just wish you'd answer my oft-repeated question to you as to 
whether you discussed your interview with us at CKLN on May 16th with 
Mr. Vreeland and if you, as he claims, advised him not to do an 
interview with us scheduled for May 19th. I've asked several times on 
this forum. Perhaps you haven't seen it.

I'd also like to get clarification about the Allan Greenspan wine 
story, but you seem to avoid any real commentary about that.

I'd appreciate a response to either or both.

Sincerely

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Mark, I understood that Bill worked full time for a Texas University in
their catering department?  Maybe I have it wrong but are you sure of your
information and if so, do you know the name of the outfit your client said
Bill is said to work for?

David



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Skyrocket


I used to have a client named Brian Abrams who owns a firm that
specializes in collectible coins - it is named New World Rarities
(Located in Long Island, NY).
Brian told me that he knows Murphy very well. Murphy lost his
business a few years back and currently works for a gold marketing
organization.

Murphy's job is to stimulate interest in gold.

All this supposed objective data about the manipulation of the gold
market has a business purpose behind it.

I have nothing against Bill Murphy. However, he should disclose his
affiliations and motives.


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 FTW Economic Alert - Global Economic Collapse Imminent, Pension
Fund Disaster: Stocks, Dollar to Free Fall, Gold to SkyrocketThe
investment banker who stated that the gold paper market was a 5x
multiple of the physical gold market was, I imagine, using the
official gold market stats for current above ground stocks of around
140,000 metric tonnes.

   GATA along with most others continue to turn a blind eye to the
fact that the physical market has a great deal more gold available to
it than a multiple of 5x.

   Estimates of how much physical gold actually exists (as opposed
to what is said to officially exist) vary enormously because,
simply put, it is a secret.

   My own view, and that of others who have investigated the black
gold market consider that a multiple of 9x or 10x to be realistic,
although there is no way to prove this is the case.  It remains a
secret.

   However, as an indicator to what is really out there the
following may be germane.

   Beginning 1945 the OSS (and later the CIA) began recovering gold
buried in the Philippines by the Japanese Golden Lily plunder
teams.  In a few short years a dozen or more plunder sites were
recovered.  All were 777 sites, which is to say that Japanese
accountants had estimated their 1944/5 value as being 777 billion
yen.  The exchange rate for 1944/5 was around 3.50 to 4.00 yen to the
dollar.  Thus a triple seven Golden Lilly plunder site had a 1944/5
dollar value of almost $200 billion.  Multiply that by a dozen and
you have $2.4 trillion.

   The number of burial sites on the Philippines alone totalled
176.  I understand that somewhere in the region of 40 of these
were 777 sites.  Others were 999 and many were in the triple five
category or lower.  This does not include WWII plunder buried in
Indonesia and elsewhere - also subject to recovery.

   Admittedly these figure are not composed solely of gold value
since the treasure sites also contained an assortment of other
plunder ranging from platinum and some silver through to precious
jade etc.  They also contained oil drums overflowing with loose, gem
quality diamonds... something like 150,000 carats per drum.

   Diamonds may be a girl's best friend, but like gold they simply
are not as rare as De Beers wants you to believe.  In fact they are
not that rare at all.

   A mining company survey conducted on the Argyle diamond mine in
Australia's outback, estimated that the top 200 metres of the mine
contained 800 billion carats - mostly gem quality.  This is in

[CTRL] Red Cross

2002-07-09 Thread Euphorian


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From http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/apocalypse/red_double_cross.html

}}}Begin

The American Red Double-cross

By
Dr. Len Horowitz

Sandpoint, Idaho-The American Red Cross (ARC) is widely considered a great
American institution. It is generally thought of as among the world's premier
humanitarian organizations. Clearly, almost everyone thinks of it as a life-saving
agency. Most people know this non-governmental organization (NGO) to be heavily
dependant upon the blood and currency generously donated by the American
people. But, what if all of the above is untrue? What if everything you think you know
about the American Red Cross is a ghastly nauseating lie?

My name is Dr. Leonard Horowitz. What I am about to share with you is deeply
disturbing, yet potentially life-saving. The American Red Cross is not what it appears
to be. . . . And I urge you to continue reading so that you learn what the ARC really
represents.

Let me begin by telling you a bit about myself, and about my bias. For the past ten
years I have been conducting health science and U.S. Government cover-up
investigations as an independent, Harvard-trained, award-winning medical journalist
and internationally recognized authority in public health.

To briefly summarize my training, in 1977 I received my doctorate in medical
dentistry from Tufts University in Boston. I later received several advanced degrees...
One in public health from Harvard University. I joined the faculties at Tufts 
University
and Harvard. I directed an alternative health center for more than a decade. In the
early 1980s, the Associated Press featured my work as a trendsetter. My clinic
integrated dentistry with general medicine, acupuncture, chiropractic, nutrition,
massage, homeopathy, and other alternative methods of healing.

Between 1990 and 1993 I personally trained nearly 30,000 healthcare professionals
in dental and medical infection control according to OSHA standards. At that time I
was the chief professional advisor for the largest dental and medical catalog supply
company in the world.

In 1999, I won the prestigious Author of the Year Award from the World Natural
Health Organization for my tenth book. This became my first bestseller. It is called
Emerging Viruses: AIDS  Ebola-Nature, Accident or Intentional? Government health
officials have said this book is largely responsible for America's rapidly growing 
anti-
vaccination movement. The blood banking industry is meticulously explored here as
well. For my work in exposing the global military-medical-industrial complex, I have
been christened, the King David of alternative medicine versus the omnipotent
Goliath of slash, burn, and poison medicine by consumer health advocates.

Suffice it to say, I have been extremely critical of
petrochemical/pharmaceutical/blood banking industrialists for suppressing more
information than they have been telling... Including potentially lifesaving information
that could stem the rising epidemics of cancer, autoimmune diseases, and much,
much more.. . .

In the wake of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center
and the Pentagon, unlike most Americans, I was appalled by the outpouring of
support, not as much to the families of the attack victims, but to the American Red
Cross as a go-between. Based on the information and documentation I published in
Emerging Viruses: AIDS  Ebola-Nature, Accident or Intentional?, certain individuals
that control the ARC are, in fact, as much to blame for the terrorist attacks on
America, and America's New War, as Osama bin Ladin and Afghanistan's Taliban
government. Before you call me crazy and junk this premise entirely, let me explain
by giving you a little background on the people who run the American Red Cross.
This is little preview of my American bestseller.

Background Intelligence on the American Red Cross

Founded in 1881 by American humanitarian Clara Barton, the American Red Cross
(officially named The American National Red Cross) was first chartered by the U.S.
Congress in 1900. A second charter, still in force, was granted in 1905. Not long
after, however, John D. Rockefeller pirated the entire blood banking industry, along
with the administrative leadership of the ARC. As you will soon learn, this
quintessential coup de tats represented more than a glorious economic opportunity.
The takeover of the ARC, and the entire blood industry, was apparently required to
fulfill a far more sinister, even occult-linked, political objective-eugenics 
management
for a racially purified planet.

To begin, during this time, John D. Rockefeller and his associates were making a
concerted effort to control the entire field of medicine in America. During the 1890s,
Rockefeller interests in medical education and scientific medicine were
spearheaded by Frederick T. Gates, John D. Rockefeller's investment manager.
1901 saw the founding of the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research. In 1902,

[CTRL] Fw: [pcraddressbook] As a Jew I am very disturbed that I am being deported

2002-07-09 Thread Mrs. Jela Jovanovic

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 On Friday, July 5, the International Solidarity Movement held a
 press conference in East Jerusalem regarding the deportation and
 harassment of international peace activists by the Israeli military
 and government.  Highlights of the press conference are excerpted
 below:

 As a Jew I am very disturbed that I am being deported essentially
 for witnessing the collective punishment the Israeli army is
 perpetrating on the Palestinian civilians of Balata Refugee Camp.

 Israel's claim to be the only democracy in the Middle East does not
 bear out. In a democracy a judge can rule only after reviewing and
 considering all the facts and circumstances and evidence. The
 Minister of the Interior of the State of Israel appears omnipotent
 and whatever that office decrees stands. How is this democratic?

 Deporting peace activists makes a clear and strong statement to the
 world community that Israel is NOT interested in peace. I only hope
 that international governments will open their ears and eyes to help
 put a stop to the oppressive, racist and deadly conditions the
 Palestinian people face in their daily lives.

 ---Darlene Wallach, USA

  To the best of our knowledge, at least 1000 people have been
 prevented from entering Israel since April 1st, 2002, many for
 carrying medical supplies or having affiliations to humanitarian
 organizations. Over 50 people who were able to enter Israel and
 Palestine to work with humanitarian organizations have been deported.

 We are the first individuals faced with a deportation order, under
 these circumstances, who have appealed it. At no time were we
 informed of our rights by the Israeli police or prison authorities,
 and the prison attempted to prevent us from seeing our lawyer until
 after we had come before a judge. When I was before the judge, she
 attempted to tell me that I could not appeal.

 We insisted on our right to appeal and succeeded in getting the case
 to a higher court. We will now pursue the case to the Supreme Court
 of Israel.

 ---Josi Sandercock, UK

  On Monday the 1st of July Eric Levine, Brian Dominick and myself
 were traveling to Nablus. When we tried to enter the city we were
 arrested along with two Palestinian men. Our IDs, Passports, phones,
 films and tapes were all confiscated then we were told that the
 police were going to pick us up and take us to Israel.
 While we were waiting for this to happen we were held outside a
 building captured by the Israeli military. We waited for 48 hours,
 the police never came and we were eventually released outside Huwara
 military base with no explanation of capture.
  During our detention we had no protection from the heat during the
 day or cold at night. We were given ! food at arbitrary times and
 didn't have access to toilet. The soldiers repeatedly refused to let
 us phone anyone or make phone calls on our behalf, including to our
 Consulates.

 This event has increased my personal motivation to record what is
 happening in the occupied West Bank.

 ---Peter Blacker, UK

 The past year and a half has witnessed a growing phenomenon of
 international civilians leaving their homes to come to the Occupied
 Palestinian Territories to witness, assist and otherwise join and
 stand with the Palestinian people in their struggle against the
 brutality of occupation and oppression.  Despite the efforts of the
 Israeli government to break this phenomenon and to keep shut the
 eyes of the world, the International Solidarity Movement calls on
 all peoples not to be intimidated.  This summer the ISM will be
 welcoming hundreds of foreign civilians to the Occupied Palestinian
 Territories to join hands and raise voices against! occupation.  In
 the past two weeks alone we have welcomed and trained over 90
 international peace activists and currently have an international
 presence in Nablus, Jenin, Gaza, Ramallah and Hebron (including
 surrounding villages).

 The voices of truth, justice and love of humanity will overcome.
 The good people of the world, however, must not stay silent.  The
 1000+ international civilians that have thus far joined us (in the
 past few months alone) are a shining example of civilians taking the
 lead and acting on the basis of justice and right, when
 the leaders fail to do so.

 ---Huwaida Arraf, INTERNATIONAL SOLIDARITY MOVEMENT Organizer

 To find out more about joining us in Palestine, please see
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 For questions or comments about

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PEPIS #42 - 09Jul02 - Banned: The Prince and the Bilderbergers

Dear All,
Just got hold of this article banned by the Financial Times editor back in the 
seventies.
C. Gordon Tether lost his job at the FT because he refused to bow to self-censorship 
and editorial pressure. It shows just how fraudulent the concept of a 'free press' can 
be in the West as well as being fitting memory to his integrity.
I'm not planning to cover the Bilderberg Conference next year. Check out American Free 
Press for that. I'm leaving the website to get a life for a while - so it might be a 
good time to grab the whole site???
Best wishes to all on my list - Tony

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09Jul02 - Spiritual resistance to warmongering elites
01Jul02 - Skolnicks report - The Bilderberg Syndrome

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The Banned Articles of C. Gordon Tether
Extracts from a pamphlet of 46 banned Financial Times articles entitled 'The Banned 
Articles of C. Gordon Tether', Goodhead News Press - Bicester - 1977   ISBN 0 905821 
00 9

Introduction - by C. Gordon Tether
On the afternoon of 20th July last, a letter from the Editor of the Financial Times, 
Mr M. H. Fisher, arrived on my desk. It was to inform me that he was no longer 
prepared to publish my copy in the Lombard column, which from that moment would be 
written by other writers on his staff. This marked a new turn in the struggle, in 
which I had been engaged for some three years, to preserve the independence of the 
internationally renowned column I had created and had written daily without 
interruption, holidays apart, for more than twenty years.
Beyond a sentence inserted at the foot of the column a few days later saying that I 
had ceased to write it, no explanation was offered for my sudden departure and no 
indication given that it was not my wish nor my intention to desert the column.
The attack on my independence had taken several forms, of which the most conspicuous 
was the total suppression of columns on an ever-increasing scale. In all nearly fifty 
articles suffered this fate, about half of this number during the six months before I 
was finally exiled on 20th July 1976.
Al these banned articles are now being published for two reasons. In the first place, 
many of those who were not acquainted with the background may have been puzzled by the 
Financial Times' treatment of my column, or

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PEPIS #42 - 09Jul02 - Banned: The Prince and the Bilderbergers

Dear All,
Just got hold of this article banned by the Financial Times editor back in the 
seventies.
C. Gordon Tether lost his job at the FT because he refused to bow to self-censorship 
and editorial pressure. It shows just how fraudulent the concept of a 'free press' can 
be in the West as well as being fitting memory to his integrity.
I'm not planning to cover the Bilderberg Conference next year. Check out American Free 
Press for that. I'm leaving the website to get a life for a while - so it might be a 
good time to grab the whole site???
Best wishes to all on my list - Tony

03May76 - Banned Financial Times 'Lombard' column - The Prince and the Bilderbergers
09Jul02 - Spiritual resistance to warmongering elites
01Jul02 - Skolnicks report - The Bilderberg Syndrome

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The Banned Articles of C. Gordon Tether
Extracts from a pamphlet of 46 banned Financial Times articles entitled 'The Banned 
Articles of C. Gordon Tether', Goodhead News Press - Bicester - 1977   ISBN 0 905821 
00 9

Introduction - by C. Gordon Tether
On the afternoon of 20th July last, a letter from the Editor of the Financial Times, 
Mr M. H. Fisher, arrived on my desk. It was to inform me that he was no longer 
prepared to publish my copy in the Lombard column, which from that moment would be 
written by other writers on his staff. This marked a new turn in the struggle, in 
which I had been engaged for some three years, to preserve the independence of the 
internationally renowned column I had created and had written daily without 
interruption, holidays apart, for more than twenty years.
Beyond a sentence inserted at the foot of the column a few days later saying that I 
had ceased to write it, no explanation was offered for my sudden departure and no 
indication given that it was not my wish nor my intention to desert the column.
The attack on my independence had taken several forms, of which the most conspicuous 
was the total suppression of columns on an ever-increasing scale. In all nearly fifty 
articles suffered this fate, about half of this number during the six months before I 
was finally exiled on 20th July 1976.
Al these banned articles are now being published for two reasons. In the first place, 
many of those who were not acquainted with the background may have been puzzled by the 
Financial Times' treatment of my column, or may have gained a false impression of what 
was involved. They will now be able to see for themselves what they were being denied 
the opportunity of reading.
Secondly, their publication can make a useful contribution to the important debate on 
Press freedom now taking place with special regard to the writer's duty - as expressed 
in the NUJ's code of conduct - 'to defend the principle of freedom of the Press in 
relation to the collection of information and the expression of comment and criticism'.
The Editor of the Financial Times wrote to me on 8th July 1974, '...like any other 
journalist on this paper you are subject to the directives of the Editor who alone 
decides what appears or does not appear in the Financial Times.' My experience will 
demonstrate what one

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900-point drop in the Dow Jones average and a pending liquidity crisis signaled a 
crash on the order of 1929. Only the attacks of Sept. 11 and massive intervention from 
the U.S. Treasury and Federal Reserve prevented the collapse. Investors blamed the 
ensuing market losses on the attacks.

The situation now is much, much worse as more factors combine to suggest that foreign 
investors and trust in the U.S. economy might soon be a thing of the past. Your 
pension is at risk today and your home may be at risk in six months to a year.

One economic analyst has suggested that a nuclear exchange between India and Pakistan 
might be the perfect cover for the biggest financial wipe out in human history. I 
think that an ill-conceived and risky invasion of Iraq might serve the same purpose. 
From consumer confidence, to corporate accounting, to the dollar, to gold, to foreign 
capital flight, to pension fund wipe outs, to the derivative bubble, to debt, there is 
not a single economic indicator that is not flashing red. 

The warnings are as clear, explicit and well-documented as were the warnings received 
by the U.S. government throughout summer 2001 that a terrorist attack against the 
World Trade Center would take place during the week of Sept. 9 using hijacked 
airliners from United and American airlines. Nothing was done to prevent that and 
apparently nothing is being done now in spite of the fact that $4.2 trillion of your 
money has been stolen right in front of your eyes. 

There was no single reason for the attacks of 9-11. I have cited oil, drug cash and 
geopolitics as three of the primary motives for the U.S. governments complicity in 
allowing the attacks to happen. But what also cannot be overlooked is the fact that 
9-11 effectively masked a major economic crash that was certain to occur. That crash 
has not been averted by the extraordinary financial maneuverings of the Bush 
administration that followed 9-11. It was merely postponed for a very short time.--MCR 
]

July 8, 2002, 4 PM PDT (FTW) -- Reuters, London published a story June 27 based upon 
an interview with billionaire financier George Soros. The headline reaad, Soros 
Blames Bush Factor for Dollars Fall. George Soros is a man to be reckoned with. 
Emerging from WWII as someone who allegedly cooperated with Nazi occupation troops by 
identifying assets to be seized, the European financier is one of the most powerful 
financiers on the planet. He is credited with successfully assaulting the currencies 
of several nations, including Britains pound. He recently participated in the World 
Economic Forum in New York where he was seated on the dais with the likes of Zbigniew 
Brzezinski, Hillary Clinton, Shimon Peres and academics from Ivy League colleges. It 
is more than just a case that when Soros speaks, people listen. The truth is that when 
Soros speaks, markets move.

His comments were brutal.

[CTRL] An Israeli officer's response to Bush

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An Israeli officer's response to Bush
By Shamai Leibowitz TEL AVIV

I am an Orthodox Jew and a criminal defense attorney in Tel Aviv. I am also a tank gunner in reserve duty, and part of a group of 1,000 soldiers who have refused to serve in the occupied territories. Many of them were imprisoned in military jails in the past few months.

Now that President George W. Bush has enlightened us with his new 'Plan' for the Middle East, we can only wonder how long it will take him to realize that his plan is useless and meaningless.

Although his speech was riddled with rosy descriptions he envisions for the utopian Palestinian State in the far future, Bush managed to avoid any mention of the present situation in the same parcel of land where all these wonderful things are to materialize.

No mention of the fact that all West Bank cities had been invaded by Israeli military forces; that hundreds of thousands of inhabitants are imprisoned in their homes by a strict curfew, and that civilians appearing on city streets are being shot at like dogs by Israeli tanks and Apache helicopters.

His failure to understand that no progress can be made while a whole nation is being brutally occupied is the basic flaw in his policy, and serves as the best explanation why his Middle East plans have consistently become colossal failures.

Bush's delusional thinking that he can change the Palestinian leadership by delivering a speech is mind-boggling. The American president thinks he can just do away with any leader in the world he dislikes.

This kind of thinking is going to cost us a lot of bloodshed. It is only a matter of time until Bush's 'new outline' will turn to ashes as the flames in this region reach higher and higher.

Instead of offering a glimmer of hope, his plans resemble the famous Biblical burning bush, i.e. more of the same (see Exodus 3:2). This means more Israeli occupation, which will result in more terror and more fatalities.

Clearly, the terror attacks are abhorrent. They have no justification in any sane polity. However, no amount of condemnation will stop them. Bush fails to comprehend that the suicide bombings are a product of mass starvation and humiliation of the Palestinian people.

Bush's aides are doing us so much harm by refusing to acknowledge that only an immediate end to the Israeli occupation will bring an immediate end to the Palestinian uprising.

We are now witnessing a situation in which 3.5 million people have no future, no hope, no vision, other than to become terrorists and avenge the continued harassment and shelling by the Israeli army's helicopters, tanks and artillery.

While Bush has no knowledge of this region, we have been living here, watching how the Palestinians were trampled and denied basic rights on a daily basis, besieged and occupied in every possible way.

Our Jewish sources teach us that where there is no justice, there is no peace. The idea behind the Oslo accords, namely that we could 'negotiate' a peace agreement while remaining the occupying power, has proven to be romantic nonsense.

Can you expect a rape victim to negotiate with her attacker? Can you expect a slave to negotiate with his master a 'contract of freedom?'

Most Israelis know deep in their hearts that once we stop humiliating and oppressing this nation, we will become a safe and secure democratic Israel living next to a viable Palestinian state.

Most intelligent people in the world understand that the Palestinians had a right to a state of their own many years ago. And there should have been an Israeli-Palestinian border marking the two completely separate sovereign states.

There is only one institution in the world that is blind to this: the Israeli government.

This means it is up to us, Israeli soldiers, to defend ourselves, defend ourselves from our government.

And this can only be done through refusal to participate in the occupation. It is our opinion that an Israeli soldier refusing to dominate and starve millions of Palestinians is defending his state in the best possible way.

The reason is simple: If enough soldiers refuse, we will eventually force our government to relinquish its death-grip on the West Bank and Gaza. And this will save thousands of lives.

In a famous passage in the Talmud, it is said: "If I am not for myself, who will be for me?"

After Bush showed us how warped his understanding of reality is, he's left it to us to save our nation from its complete demise.We will push Bush aside, and do the job ourselves.

We, the refusal movement, will continue to grow until thousands of Israeli soldiers say enough is enough. Then this land, which has been a battleground for so many years, will become a place of refuge, vision and hope for all its inhabitants.

"You can muffle the drum, and you can loosen the strings of the lyre, but who shall command the skylark not to sing?" said Khalil Gibran

[CTRL] Gore Vidal: America, Land of the Wannabe Slaves

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America, Land of the Wannabe Slaves 
by GORE VIDAL

"When (Tiberius) became Emperor (of Rome), the Senate passed a bill, 
assuring him that any legislation that he sent them would be 
automatically accepted, and become law. 

He sent back word and he said, "You're crazy. Suppose, suppose the Emperor is mad, suppose he's ill, suppose there's a palace coup and somebody else is sending things in his name? 

How can you be so certain that what you're passing is really his, or should be passed?" 

They sent it back: "Anything your Imperial Majesty sends us is law for us." 

And Tiberius said, "How eager they are to be slaves." 

And this is more and more my view of the American people in general."





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[CTRL] Fisk: Threat To Liberty From New Fundamentalism

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A strange kind of freedom

We all know about the perils of Islamic fanaticism. But, says Robert Fisk, the biggest threat to liberty in the US may come from other kinds of fundamentalism: Jewish and Christian

09 July 2002

Inside the First Congregational Church of Berkeley, the Californian audience had been struck silent. Dennis Bernstein, the Jewish host of KPFA Radio's Flashpoint current affairs programme, was reading some recent e-mails that he had received from Israel's supporters in America. Each one left the people in the church â Muslims, Jews, Christians â in a state of shock. "You mother-fucking-asshole-self-hating Jewish piece of shit. Hitler killed the wrong Jews. He should have killed your parents, so a piece of Jewish shit like you would not have been born. God willing, Arab terrorists will cut you to pieces Daniel Pearl-style, AMEN!!!"

Bernstein's sin was to have covered the story of Israel's invasion of Jenin in April and to have interviewed journalists who investigated the killings that took place there â including Phil Reeves and Justin Huggler of The Independent â for his Flashpoint programme. Bernstein's grandfather was a revered Orthodox Rabbi of international prominence but neither his family history nor his origins spared him. "Read this and weep, you mother-fucker self-hating Jew boy!!!" another e-mail told Bernstein. "God willing a Palestinian will murder you, rape your wife and slash your kids' throats." Yet another: "I hope that you, Barbara Lubin and all other Jewish Marxist Communist traitors anti-American cop haters will die a violent and cruel death just like the victims of suicide bombers in Israel." Lubin is also Jewish, the executive director of the Middle East Children's Alliance, a one-time committed Zionist but now one of Israel's fiercest critics. Her e-mails are even worse.

Indeed, you have to come to America to realise just how brave this small but vocal Jewish community is. Bernstein is the first to acknowledge that a combination of Israeli lobbyists and conservative Christian fundamentalists have in effect censored all free discussion of Israel and the Middle East out of the public domain in the US. "Everyone else is terrified," Bernstein says. "The only ones who begin to open their mouths are the Jews in this country. You know, as a kid, I sent money to plant trees in Israel. But now we are horrified by a government representing a country that we grew up loving and cherishing. Israel's defenders have a special vengeance for Jews who don't fall in line behind Sharon's scorched-earth policy because they give the lie to the charge that Israel's critics are simply anti-Semite."

Adam Shapiro is among those who have paid a price for their beliefs. He is a Jew engaged to an American-born Palestinian, a volunteer with the International Solidarity Movement who was trapped in Yasser Arafat's headquarters in the spring while administering medical aid. After telling CNN that the Sharon government was acting like "terrorists" while receiving $3bn a year in US military aid, Shapiro and his family were savaged in the New York Post. The paper slandered Shapiro as the "Jewish Taliban" and demeaned his family as "traitors". Israeli supporters publicised his family's address and his parents were forced to flee their Brooklyn home and seek police protection. Shapiro's father, a New York public high-school teacher and a part-time Yeshiva (Jewish day school) teacher, was fired from his job. His brother receives regular death threats.

Israel's supporters have no qualms about their alliance with the Christian right. Indeed, the fundamentalists can campaign on their own in Israel's favour, as I discovered for myself at Stanford recently when I was about to give a lecture on the media and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, part of a series of talks arranged largely by Jewish Americans. A right-wing Christian "Free Republic" outfit posted my name on its website, and described me as a "PLO butt-kisser" and asked its supporters to "freep" my lecture. A few demonstrators turned up outside the First United Methodist Church in Sacramento where I was to speak, waving American and Israeli flags. "Jew haters!" they screamed at the organisers, a dark irony since these were non-Jews shrieking their abuse at Jews.

They were also handing out crudely printed flyers. "Nothing to worry about, Bob," one of my Jewish hosts remarked. "They can't even spell your name right." True. But also false. "Stop the Lies!" the leaflet read. "There was no massacre in Jenin. Fiske [sic] is paid big bucks to spin [lie] for the Arabs..." But the real lie was in that last sentence. I never take any payment for lectures â so that no one can ever claim that I'm paid to give the views of others. But the truth didn't matter to these people. Nor did the content of my talk â which began, by chance, with the words "There was no

[CTRL] CHENEY SUED PERSONALLY FOR ALLEGED STOCK FRAUD

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EMBARGOED UNTIL JULY 10 
Jul 9, 2002 Contact: Press Office
202-646-5172

VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY SUED PERSONALLY FOR ALLEGED STOCK FRAUD

Alleged Fraudulent Accounting Practices Occurred At Halliburton

PRESS CONFERENCE
Date: July 10, 2002
Time: 9:00 A.M.
Location: Sheraton Hotel Parlor 1, 495 Brickell Ave Miami, FL

(Washington, D.C.) Judicial Watch, the group that investigates and prosecutes corruption by government officials, announced today that it is filing a shareholders suit in Dallas, Texas, against Vice President Dick Cheney and the other involved directors of Halliburton, as well as Halliburton itself, for alleged fraudulent accounting practices which resulted in the overvaluation of the companyâs shares, thereby deceiving investors and others.

The suit comes one day after President George W. Bush, who himself is enmeshed in allegations of insider trading when he was an executive, who sat on the audit committee of Harken Energy Company, announced a âplanâ to crack down on corporate fraud. Ironically, it would appear that the Presidentâs rush to propose more regulation of private industry is intended to deflect attention away from his and his Vice Presidentâs own alleged improper business practices. President Bush has maintained that he was cleared by the Securities and Exchange Commission. Others have countered that the head of the agency was then an appointee of his father, President George H.W.Bush.

President Clinton and the Democratic Party used a similar gambit when they were caught taking money illegally from foreign donors, including the Communist Chinese. Instead of prosecuting vigorously the Clintons and other guilty politicians, new campaign finance laws were proposed to deflect attention away from alleged crimes.

âWhether it is the Enron, Arthur Andersen, Global Crossing, or now the Halliburton and Harken scandals, there is a dangerous intersection between politicians of all stripes, Democrat and Republican, attempting to feed at the trough of business greed. As is true of the Clinton scandals, the American people cannot look the other way just because the President and Vice President are allegedly involved. Indeed, Judicial Watch has already sued Democrat and Republican officials in the Enron and Global Crossing scandals. To look the other way for the Vice President would be to set a precedent that the Washington elite are above the law. This cannot be permitted if our democracy is to survive,â stated Judicial Watch Chairman and General Counsel Larry Klayman.

In 1995 Halliburton was prosecuted and forced to plead guilty to trading with Libya, a terrorist state on the U.S. watch list. 

A press conference will be held in Miami at 9:00 A.M. at the Sheraton Hotel at 495 Brickell Avenue to announce and detail this suit.



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Pretty simple really
Religions blow ass
Fundamentalist religions blow rancid ass

on 7/9/02 7:09 PM, William Shannon at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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A strange kind of freedom

We all know about the perils of Islamic fanaticism. But, says Robert Fisk, the biggest threat to liberty in the US may come from other kinds of fundamentalism: Jewish and Christian

09 July 2002

Inside the First Congregational Church of Berkeley, the Californian audience had been struck silent. Dennis Bernstein, the Jewish host of KPFA Radio's Flashpoint current affairs programme, was reading some recent e-mails that he had received from Israel's supporters in America. Each one left the people in the church Muslims, Jews, Christians in a state of shock. You mother-fucking-asshole-self-hating Jewish piece of shit. Hitler killed the wrong Jews. He should have killed your parents, so a piece of Jewish shit like you would not have been born. God willing, Arab terrorists will cut you to pieces Daniel Pearl-style, AMEN!!!

Bernstein's sin was to have covered the story of Israel's invasion of Jenin in April and to have interviewed journalists who investigated the killings that took place there including Phil Reeves and Justin Huggler of The Independent for his Flashpoint programme. Bernstein's grandfather was a revered Orthodox Rabbi of international prominence but neither his family history nor his origins spared him. Read this and weep, you mother-fucker self-hating Jew boy!!! another e-mail told Bernstein. God willing a Palestinian will murder you, rape your wife and slash your kids' throats. Yet another: I hope that you, Barbara Lubin and all other Jewish Marxist Communist traitors anti-American cop haters will die a violent and cruel death just like the victims of suicide bombers in Israel. Lubin is also Jewish, the executive director of the Middle East Children's Alliance, a one-time committed Zionist but now one of Israel's fiercest critics. Her e-mails are even worse.

Indeed, you have to come to America to realise just how brave this small but vocal Jewish community is. Bernstein is the first to acknowledge that a combination of Israeli lobbyists and conservative Christian fundamentalists have in effect censored all free discussion of Israel and the Middle East out of the public domain in the US. Everyone else is terrified, Bernstein says. The only ones who begin to open their mouths are the Jews in this country. You know, as a kid, I sent money to plant trees in Israel. But now we are horrified by a government representing a country that we grew up loving and cherishing. Israel's defenders have a special vengeance for Jews who don't fall in line behind Sharon's scorched-earth policy because they give the lie to the charge that Israel's critics are simply anti-Semite.

Adam Shapiro is among those who have paid a price for their beliefs. He is a Jew engaged to an American-born Palestinian, a volunteer with the International Solidarity Movement who was trapped in Yasser Arafat's headquarters in the spring while administering medical aid. After telling CNN that the Sharon government was acting like terrorists while receiving $3bn a year in US military aid, Shapiro and his family were savaged in the New York Post. The paper slandered Shapiro as the Jewish Taliban and demeaned his family as traitors. Israeli supporters publicised his family's address and his parents were forced to flee their Brooklyn home and seek police protection. Shapiro's father, a New York public high-school teacher and a part-time Yeshiva (Jewish day school) teacher, was fired from his job. His brother receives regular death threats.

Israel's supporters have no qualms about their alliance with the Christian right. Indeed, the fundamentalists can campaign on their own in Israel's favour, as I discovered for myself at Stanford recently when I was about to give a lecture on the media and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, part of a series of talks arranged largely by Jewish Americans. A right-wing Christian Free Republic outfit posted my name on its website, and described me as a PLO butt-kisser and asked its supporters to freep my lecture. A few demonstrators turned up outside the First United Methodist Church in Sacramento where I was to speak, waving American and Israeli flags. Jew haters! they screamed at the organisers, a dark irony since these were non-Jews shrieking their abuse at Jews.

They were also handing out crudely printed flyers. Nothing to worry about, Bob, one of my Jewish hosts remarked. They can't even spell your name right. True. But also false. Stop the Lies! the leaflet read. There was no massacre in Jenin. Fiske [sic] is paid big bucks to spin [lie] for the Arabs... But the real lie was in that last sentence. I never take any payment for lectures so that no one can ever

Re: [CTRL] Fisk: Threat To Liberty From New Fundamentalism

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Pretty simple really
Religions blow ass
Fundamentalist religions blow rancid ass


I agree with that...

Bill.
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[CTRL] Fwd: GAO Finds Nothing Regarding SVCP July 1 20021

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NEWS RELEASE

Release: No. 02-EV/6;

Date Mailed: July 9, 2002

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Contact: Elaine Zacky508/546-6586;
800/336-9266

Emerging Viruses Author Says the U.S. GAO
Investigated the Wrong AIDS Origin Theory

Sandpoint, ID The U.S. General Accounting Office (GAO) was led
astray in disproving a theory that the AIDS virus was created in a U.S. government laboratory, according to the author who
originally raised the question Ohio Rep. James A. Traficant requested be
studied last July.

Congressman Traficant ordered the GAO study following
the urging of an HIV-positive attorney and former Youngstown resident, Boyd E. Graves, who persuaded the legislator
that a flow chart accompanying lengthy National Cancer Institute (NCI) Special
Virus Cancer Program reports was a smoking gun.

According to Dr. Leonard Horowitz, the author of an
American bestseller, Emerging Viruses:
AIDS EbolaNature, Accident or Intentional?(Tetrahedron Press, 1996),
the book that Graves credits for his discovery of the flow chart, the primary question Graves raised, and GAO investigators asked, was fundamentally
absurd.

Mr. Graves was delusional when he conceived the
notion that a single flow chart represented definite proof that the AIDS virus
had been constructed by government contractors. Far more relevant questions would
have been, How was it that HIV/AIDS was able to simultaneously outbreak on two
far removed continents, in two demographically distinct populations, other than
through contaminated vaccines? Most scientists respect this question. Next, Was
there any links between firms that used gay men in New York City and Blacks in
central Africa in the early to mid 1970s as subjects for questionable cancer
virus vaccine experiments, and the contamination of those vaccines with HIV
sequences or AIDS-like viruses found in the laboratories that supplied
chimpanzees used in the vaccine production process? Evidencing the affirmative to these questions
is absolutely certain and definitive, Dr. Horowitz said.

Dr. Horowitzs research of SVCP contracts proves that Litton
Bioneticsa top U.S. biological weapons contractor, monkey supplier for vaccine
producers, chief administrator of the NCI during the period in question, and the
principle overseer of the SVCPwas contracted to produce numerous viruses that
were descriptively and functionally identical to the AIDS virus, HIV, as early
as 1968. Whether their viral productions were genetically similar to HIV is a matter
for serious inquiry.

Graves
cited a number of experts, including Dr. Horowitz, who he claimed supported his
case. However, according to Janet Heinrich, the GAOs director of health care
and public health issues, none of the experts actually supported Gravess theory.

Of course we were unable to support Gravess theory, Dr. Horowitz said. It was bogus from the
start, and I told him [Graves] so. What Graves directed the
government investigators to ask is, Does the SVCP flow chart prove that
HIV/AIDS was manufactured by a government lab? There were dozens of SVCP contracts that had nothing to do with developing a special virus
like HIV/AIDS. Some contracts did,
but they were not central to the
GAOs focus. Graves had everyone focusing on a complex and largely
unintelligible flow chart. I told him from the beginning he was making a fatal error,
that his misdirection would help the GAO whitewash the matter, and that his
actions and GAO report would undermine future serious scientific inquiries into
the most revealing evidence. And thats precisely what

[CTRL] LAX Shooting: Was LA International Airport shooting, in fact, good news?


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I don't know about this headline

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 http://jewishworldreview.com/0702/jkelly.html

 Jewish World Review

 July 9, 2002 / 29 Tamuz, 5762

 Jack Kelly

 Was LA International Airport shooting, in fact, good news?


 http://www.NewsAndOpinion.com |

  At 11:29 a.m.  local time on July 4, Hessan Mohammed
 Hadayat, a resident alien from Egypt, approached the ticket
 counter for El Al airlines at Los Angeles International
 Airport.  He killed a woman behind the counter, then turned
 his guns on customers waiting in line, killing one and
 wounding four before he was shot by security guards.

 The FBI thinks this was an isolated incident.  Israeli
 officials are not so sure.

 It seems like a terrorist attack and it looks like a
 terrorist attack, said Yuval Rotem, the Israeli
 consul-general in Los Angeles.

 If the FBI is right, then the Fourth of July came and went
 with no organized terror attacks on Americans.  That's good
 news.  If the Israelis are right, and Hadayat's attack was
 part of an internationally-planned campaign of terror,
 that's better news.

 Constant terror warnings have had an impact on public
 opinion.  A recent poll indicated only a third of Americans
 think we're winning the war on terror.  But we're surely not
 losing.  There have been no successful attacks on Americans
 at home or abroad since Sept.  11.

 This may simply be because the terrorists are biding their
 time.  There typically has been a lapse of a year or so
 between major al Qaida operations.  The Khobar Towers
 barracks in Saudi Arabia was bombed on June 25, 1996. U.S.
 embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed on Aug 7, 1998.
 The USS Cole was attacked in the port of Aden on Oct 12,
 2000.

 But it may also be because the capacity of al Qaida to mount
 large scale operations has been crippled.  Since Sept.  11
 al Qaida has lost its base in Afghanistan.  Pakistan has
 gone from supporting the Taliban to fighting terrorists...at
 least on alternate Tuesdays.  And there has been a crackdown
 on al Qaida cells in Europe.  This is significant, because
 the evidence suggests most of the major al Qaida operations
 were planned in Europe.

 The United States has yet to capture Osama bin Laden or his
 top deputy, Ayman al Zawahiri.  This is considered by many
 to be a defeat for America, especially since there is
 credible evidence to suggest bin Laden could have been
 captured at Tora Bora in eastern Afghanistan in early
 December.

 But neither bin Laden nor al Zawahiri have been heard from
 since early December.  The Arabic Sahab website said last
 month bin Laden would release a video on July 4.  He didn't.

 Bin Laden is politically dead even if he isn't physically
 dead, argued Amir Taheri, who writes for the Arab News, an
 English-language daily in Saudi Arabia.

 With an ego the size of Mount Everest, Osama bin Laden
 would not have, could not have, remained silent for so
 long, Taheri wrote July 5.  He had always liked to take
 credit even for things he had nothing to do with.  So, would
 he have remained silent for none months during which his
 illusions have been shattered one after another?  If his
 adjutants can smuggle a video to al-Jazeera in Qatar, why
 couldn't he?

 We do know the whereabouts of the numbers three and four in
 al Qaida.  Mohammed Atef is dead.  Abu Zubaydah is in
 custody.  So are hundreds of lesser fry.

 Only two successful terrorist operations have been
 attributed to al Qaida since Sept.  11.  Pakistan blames al
 Qaida for a car bombing outside a Karachi hotel May 7 that
 killed 10 French naval officers.  Al Qaida has claimed
 responsibility for the bombing of a synogogue in Tunisia
 April 11 that killed 21, most of them German tourists.

 These successes were counterproductive.  No Americans or
 Israelis were hurt in these bombings, the effect of which
 was to cause France and Germany to cooperate more with the
 United States.

 Richard Reid, the shoe bomber, was caught trying to blow up
 an airliner.  Jose Padilla, aka Abdullah al-Muhajir, was
 nabbed scouting sites for a dirty bomb attack.  Because
 neither of these guys are among the brightest bulbs in the
 chandelier, there was speculation they were being
 deliberately dangled. But it could also be this is the
 best al Qaida has left.

 This is why it would be good news if Hessan Hadayat turns
 out to be a member of an international terror group.  If his
 attack is the most devastating al Qaida can muster these
 days, we're doing better than most of us imagine.

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[CTRL] LAX Shooting: Daniel Pipes: A 'work dispute' at LAX?


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 Jewish World Review July 9, 2002 / 29 Tamuz, 5762


 A 'work dispute' at LAX?

 By Daniel Pipes

 http://www.jewishworldreview.com |

 On the 4th of July last week, an Egyptian
 immigrant to the United States who believes
 in wild conspiracy theories about Jews, is
 known for his great hate for Israel, and has possible ties
 to Al-Qaeda,
 armed himself to the teeth and assaulted the Israeli airline
 counter at Los
 Angeles International Airport, killing two.

 It is obvious why Hesham Mohamed Ali Hadayet targeted Jews
 in a highly
 visible place on so prominent a date: to engage in terrorism
 against Israel.

   But one important institution - the U.S.
 government - claims
   not to know Hadayet's goals. An FBI spokesman
 has said
   that there's nothing to indicate terrorism.
 Another FBI
   official said of Hadayet: It appears he went
 there with the
   intention of killing people. Why he did that
 we are still trying
   to determine. Possible causes named include a
 work
 dispute and a hate crime.

 Sure, law enforcement should not jump to conclusions, but
 this
 head-in-the-clouds approach is ridiculous. It also fits a
 well-established
 pattern. Consider three cases of terrorism in the New York
 City area:

 Rashid Baz, a Lebanese cab driver with a known hatred
 for all things
 Israeli and Jewish, armed himself to the teeth in March
 1994 and drove
 around the city looking for a Jewish target. He found
 his victims - a van
 full of Hassidic boys - on the Brooklyn Bridge and fired
 a hail of bullets
 against them, killing one boy. And how did the FBI
 classify this crime?
 As road rage. Only because the murdered boy's mother
 relentlessly
 fought this false description did the bureau finally in
 2000 re-classify
 the murder as the crimes of a terrorist.

 Ali Hasan Abu Kamal, a Palestinian gunman hailing from
 militant Islamic
 circles in Florida, took a gun to the top of the Empire
 State building in
 February 1997 and shot a tourist there. His suicide note
 accused the
 United States of using Israel as its instrument
 against the Palestinians
 but city officials ignored this evidence and instead
 dismissed Abu
 Kamal as either one deranged individual working on his
 own (Police
 Commissioner Howard Safir) or a man who had many, many
 enemies
 in his mind (Mayor Rudolph Giuliani).

 Gamil al-Batouti, an EgyptAir copilot, yelled I put my
 faith in G-d's
 hands as he crashed a plane leaving Kennedy airport in
 October
 1999, killing 217. Under Egyptian pressure, the National
 Transportation
 Safety Board report shied away from once mentioning
 Batouti's
 possible terrorist motives.

 And despite all the world-has-changed rhetoric
 following the horrors
 of last September, Western officialdom continues to
 pretend terrorism
 away.

 Damir Igric, a Croat immigrant from the former
 Yugoslavia, used a box
 cutter to slash the neck of a Greyhound bus driver in
 Tennessee last
 October, causing the bus to roll over, killing six
 passengers and
 himself. Although this bus-hijacking scenario echoed
 similar attacks by
 Palestinians on Israeli buses, the FBI immediately
 classified it an
 isolated incident and not an act of terrorism. The
 media attributed the
 violence to post-traumatic stress syndrome.

 Hassan Jandoubi, an Islamist with possible connections
 to Al-Qaeda,
 had started working at the AZF fertilizer factory in
 suburban Toulouse,
 France, just days before a massive explosion took place
 there last
 Sept. 21. This, the worst catastrophe ever in a French
 chemical plant,
 killed Jandoubi and 29 others, injured 2,000, destroyed
 600 dwellings,
 and damaged 10,000 buildings. The autopsy revealed that
 Jandoubi
 was wearing two pairs of trousers and four pairs of
 underpants, which
 the coroner compared to what is worn by Islamic
 militants going into
 battle or on suicide missions.

 Also, the chemical plant was processing ammonium nitrate, a
 stable
 chemical that requires a substantial infusion of energy to
 explode. Ignoring
 these signs, the French authorities declared there was no
 shred of
 evidence of the explosion being a terrorist act and ruled
 it an accident.
 They even prosecuted two publications merely for calling
 Jandoubi a
 radical Islamist, making them pay tens of thousands of
 dollars in fines to
 Jandoubi's heirs, a mosque, and a Muslim organization for
 their defamation
 of Jandoubi.

 Work dispute, hate crime, road rage, derangement,
 post-traumatic stress,
 industrial accident ... these expressions of denial obstruct
 effective
 counterterrorism. The time has come for governments to catch
 up with the
 rest of us and call terrorism by its rightful
 name.


 JWR contributor Daniel

Re: [CTRL] Fisk: Threat To Liberty From New Fundamentalism

2002-07-09 Thread InfoWarz

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At 07:40 PM 7/9/02 , you wrote:
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Pretty simple really
Religions blow ass
Fundamentalist religions blow rancid ass
Especially the Atheist Darwinian Socialist Fundamentalists. 
They have killed more human beings in the last hundred years than all
other religions combined.

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Re: [CTRL] Way OT

2002-07-09 Thread Mark McHugh


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c wrote:

  Considering Saba,
  one must realize that everyone is somehow prejudiced.

 strange comment to make about her as the reason she is disliked is a lot to
 do with her relentless hatred of people. her prejudices are so widely
 spread.

Not so strange a comment.  I ask for understanding and forgiveness by
showing her commonality with all of us through a shared flaw.  Hate
the stultiloquence of the message, forgive the messenger, laugh at the
amusing bits.

 no-one is prejudiced about saba. it is not because she is white, female,
 hetrosexual and a fitzgerald that poeple dislike her, it is *not*
 prejuedice. dislike of her is based on what she does, not on what or who she
 is.

Aw, come on.  Some of the listmembers out there have to hate stupid,
blathering micks just for the simple reason that they exist. ;)

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[CTRL] A Golden Era for Iraqi Kurds

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http://polyconomics.com/showarticle.asp?heading=Memo+on+the+Margin



A Golden Era for Iraqi Kurds

Memo To: John F. Burns, The New York Times
From: Jude Wanniski
Re: Covering Iraq

It is about time your newspaper sent you to cover Iraqi politics, John. With all the noise coming out of the Bush administration about a war against Baghdad, the readers of the NYT deserve the very best reporting, and there is no doubt in my mind that you are the best foreign correspondent of our time. I was most happy to see your by-line Monday morning on the front-page account about how the Iraqi Kurds are not happy about the idea of a U.S. military intervention. "This is a golden era for Iraqi Kurds," you quote the leader of one of the two main political groups in Iraqi Kurdistan. Both political groups agree that they are living so well in the Kurdish province of Iraq â especially compared to the Iranian Kurds and the Turkish Kurds â that any move they make to support a "regime change" in order to make Washington happy will be noted by Baghdad. As in the past, they worry that Washington could shift political gears at a moment's notice and they will be left holding the bag. 

You mentioned how, at the end of the Gulf War in 1991, the Bush administration and the CIA encouraged the Kurds to rebel against the weakened regime in Baghdad, thinking it would be a piece of cake to finally win independence for their piece of Kurdistan. When Saddam showed he still had the muscle to put down the uprising, as Fidel Castro had put down the Bay of Pigs in 1961, the rebels spilled a lot of blood as Washington decided it had other priorities. Going back even further, recall that Saddam Hussein and the Shah of Iran cut a deal in Algiers during the Cold War, with Henry Kissinger looking on. Saddam made concessions to Iran on a waterway in exchange for the Shah cracking down on the Iranian Kurds, who were coming across the border to stir up trouble with the Iraqi Kurds. 

A little bit of history might be helpful to you, as I see you did not mention the good deal the Iraqi Kurds got from Uncle Sam in 1996, which is really the source of the "Golden Era." It was in September 1996, remember, that President Clinton bombed Iraq for having violated the "No Fly Zone" that covers a good bit of the Kurdish province, including the capital. It was my considered opinion at the time that Clinton violated the War Powers Act in not consulting Congress. It was Labor Day and his re-election campaign was underway, and the idea of bombing Iraq seemed to catch our President's fancy. 

Now mind you, Iraq did not "fly" into the no-fly zone, but it did send army groups into the capital with tanks and guns. The reason was that the duly-elected government of the Kurdish province had asked Baghdad for military assistance, to put down a rebellion of its own people. The reason the people were rebellious was that they were starving, as the rest of the people of Iraq were also suffering, because of the U.S. embargo on Iraq's sale of oil for food, medicine and sanitary chemicals. The United Nations at that time reckoned that 1.6 million Iraqi civilians had died as a result of the sanctions, which the United States insisted upon keeping in place until there was a regime change. Our political establishment just does not like Saddam, you see. 

The rebellion in Kurdistan did have the effect of making life easier for the Kurds. Iraq was permitted to sell more oil and get more material from the outside world, although the funds would continue to be controlled by the UN. None of the cash goes to the Baghdad regime. None. It is doled out by UN paymasters. As of 1997, the decision was made to dole out more money for the Kurds. You ascribe the "golden era" they are enjoying to the relative freedoms they enjoy, and to a degree you are surely right, but money for vital imports goes a long way to make an economy work better. 

You should take this into account, John, when you begin expanding your coverage of Iraqi politics. The Times continues to run little stories about how Baghdad refuses to allow the weapons inspectors back into Iraq to look around for weapons of mass destruction. The stories never ever mention the reason why Saddam is being so stubborn, when even the Arab League seems unanimous in wanting him to let the inspectors back in. It is that the United States does not want the mechanism changed by which the UN will continue to dole out the funds it takes in from the sale of the state-owned oil. The national government, which technically owns on behalf of the Iraqi people the second largest proven oil reserves in the world, since 1991 has not seen a dime from its exports to the West, except for what it sneaks out to buyers in Turkey. 

This helps explain why Saddam retains a certain amount of "popularity" with the people of Iraq, as they do not blame their misfortunes on him, but on the United States and Israel. For if it were not for Israel's concern

Re: [CTRL] LAX Shooting: Daniel Pipes: A 'work dispute' at LAX?

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By Daniel Pipes

Daniel Pipes...what a buffoon.

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[CTRL] ritual crimes, Gore Vidal on the US

2002-07-09 Thread Smart News


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this may be very heavy for survivors


from L. Moss-Sharman Police arrest woman over torso killing  - Staff and
agencies - 7/9/02 Police there have estimated that hundreds of children may
have been killed by witchdoctors practising a perversion of traditional
muti medicine, using body parts to make life enhancing ointments and
potionsDetectives across Europe believe ritualistic killings have spread
from Africa in recent years. They are already investigating a string of cases
in France, Greece, Italy and the US.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4458164,00.html


http://laweekly.com/ink/02/33/features-cooper.php
The Last Defender of the American Republic? An interview with Gore Vidal by
Marc Cooper

GORE VIDAL:...Our governments have brought this upon us by their actions all
over the world. I have a list in my new book that gives the reader some idea
how busy we have been. Unfortunately, we only get disinformation from The New
York Times and other official places. Americans have no idea of the extent of
their government's mischief. The number of military strikes we have made
unprovoked, against other countries, since 1947-48 is more than 250. These
are major strikes everywhere from Panama to Iran. And it isn't even a
complete list. It doesn't include places like Chile, as that was a CIA
operation. I was only listing military attacks. Americans are either not told
about these things or are told we attacked them because . . . well . . .
Noriega is the center of all world drug traffic and we have to get rid of
him. So we kill some Panamanians in the process. Actually we killed quite a
few. And we brought in our Air Force. Panama didn't have an air force. But it
looked good to have our Air Force there, busy, blowing up buildings. Then we
kidnap their leader, Noriega, a former CIA man who worked loyally for the
United States. We arrest him. Try him in an American court that has no
jurisdiction over him and lock him up -- nobody knows why. And that was
supposed to end the drug trade because he had been demonized by The New York
Times and the rest of the imperial press.

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[CTRL] [JIA Memo] Worst French Industrial 'Accident' Probably Terrorism

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Subject: [JIA Memo] Worst French Industrial 'Accident' Probably
Terrorism

On September 21, 2001, only eleven days after the attacks on the United
States, a huge explosion rocked the southern French city of Toulouse.
The Azote de France (AZF) petrochemical plant and the surrounding area
were heavily damaged with a loss of 29 lives and thousands of injuries,
some fatal later. France¹s worst industrial accident since World War II
destroyed AZF, never to reopen, and damaged 10,000 buildings including
several dozen schools, a university and a hospital, and about 300
businesses employing 4,600 people.

Facts, photos:
http://www.uneptie.org/pc/apell/disasters/toulouse/home.html
http://www.atofina.com/groupe/gb/comm/detail.cfm?ID=4402

But was it an accident, as French officials rushed to call it? The
explosion centered on a warehouse that held 300 tons of ammonium
nitrate
fertilizer, transformed into a 150-foot-wide crater by the explosion.
It was only two tons of ammonium nitrate that brought down the Federal
building in Oklahoma City. However, as Time magazine put it, ...
[scientists] note that such nitrates require heating to at least 200°C
and a sharp detonating charge before they'll explode. Given that
stability, many were amazed when Toulouse public prosecutor Michel
Bréard almost immediately assured the public it was 99% certain this
was an accident.

http://www.time.com/time/europe/eu/magazine/0,9868,178490,00.html

Investigators soon had another hypothesis to work with: Hassan
Jandoubi,
35, a French national born in Tunisia, was found dead at the scene. He
was dressed in several layers of garments, which reports said were in
the manner of kamikaze fundamentalists. Jandoubi had been hired to
work
at the plant only five days before the blast. An LCI television report
said Jandoubi was connected to a group of four or five men in the area
belonging to the Takfir movement, a Sunni sect of Egyptian origin that
preaches aradical form of Islam. Two of those men are believed to have
spent time in Afghanistan, according to the LCI report.

http://www.chemsafety.gov/circ/post.cfm?incident_id=5247

French newspapers reported that police became interested in Jandoubi
because truck drivers at the plant testified that the night before the
blast Jandoubi shouted abuse at them for the small American flag they
displayed to show sympathy for the United States victims of the
September 11th terrorist attacks.

When police finally went to Jandoubi's apartment, after a procedural
delay, they found it had been completely cleaned out. Jandoubi's family
and friends deny any connection to radical Islam, but Toulouse police
say he was known to meet people at a local mosque and have ties to
Islamic fundamentalists.

http://www.chemicalindustryarchives.org/whatsnew/press/nyt20011006.asp

French government officials are sticking to their story that it was an
accident, while investigators from many agencies have poured over the
explosion site looking for a definitive explanation of the accident.
Atofina, parent company of AZF, has issued a press release regarding
the safety of the plant, which was exemplary.

http://www.atofina.com/groupe/gb/doss/detail.cfm?ID=984#

Does this pattern sound familiar?  Quoting Daniel Pipes:

On the 4th of July, an Egyptian immigrant to the United States who
believes in wild conspiracy theories about Jews, is known for his great
hate for Israel, and has possible ties to al Qaeda, armed himself to
the teeth and assaulted the Israeli airline counter at Los Angeles
International Airport, killing two. ... But one important institution -
the U.S. government - claims not to know Hadayet's goals. An FBI
spokesman has said that 'there's nothing to indicate terrorism.' 

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/431

The 4th of July shootings at LAX were certainly terrorism, by any
reasonable definition, whether the FBI thinks so or not. And when we
all saw four near-simultaneous airplane hijackings and the devestation
they
wrought on 9/11, we knew it was terrorism. We may never know for sure,
but the AZF explosion probably was too.
FYI,
Chuck

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[CTRL] LAX Shooting - Mark Steyn: Whatever you do, don't call it a hate crime


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 Whatever you do, don't call it a hate crime


 By Mark Steyn

 National Post
 July 8, 2002

 I'm a dead white male, as you can tell from the above
 picture. Suppose on Martin Luther King
 Day I went to the offices of the National Association for
 the Advancement of Colored People and
 shot the receptionists. How many nano-seconds do you think
 it would take before the attack
 was being characterized as racially motivated? Your top
 Olympic hotshot could ingest every
 steroid on the planet and he couldn't beat that time.

 Suppose it was Judy Garland's birthday and I went to my
 local gay bathhouse and opened fire
 on the fetching young men handing out the towels. How many
 minutes would tick by before the
 word homophobia was heard?

 Or suppose it was the anniversary of Roe v. Wade, and me and
 my semi-automatic swung by
 the abortion clinic...

 Well, you get the idea. On the Fourth of July (hint) a guy
 went to the airport in Los Angeles,
 sauntered up to the ticket counter of El Al (hint) and
 fatally shot two people and wounded three.
 How many folks hearing the news on a quickie radio update
 honestly expected it to be anyone
 other than a Muslim male of Middle Eastern origin?
 Obviously, Underperformin' Norman Mineta,
 the scrupulously sensitivity-trained U.S. Transportation
 Secretary, would have been wary of
 jumping to conclusions. Were he running the LAPD, he'd have
 pulled in a couple of elderly nuns
 and Kelli-Sue, a trainee hairdresser from Des Moines.

 But, fortunately for the final death toll, El Al has its own
 security and so the suspect, after firing
 10 rounds, was himself killed. And whaddaya know? He wasn't
 an elderly nun but a 41-year-old
 Egyptian male! His name wasn't Kellie-Sue, it was Hesham
 Mohamed Hadayet!

 This stunning development seems to have completely
 disoriented the FBI. I quote from The
 New York Times headline: Officials Puzzled About Motive Of
 Airport Gunman.

 Hmm. Egyptian Muslim kills Jews on American national
 holiday. Best not to jump to conclusions.
 Denial really is a river in Egypt. It appears he went there
 with the intention of killing people,
 said Richard Garcia, the Bureau's agent in charge. Why he
 did that we are still trying to
 determine.

 CNN and The Associated Press all but stampeded to report a
 witness who described the
 shooter as a fat white guy in a ponytail who kept yelling
 Artie took my job. But, alas, this
 promising account proved to be a prank. Saudi Arabia's
 popular Arab News suggested that Mr.
 Hadayet had made the mistake of doing business with El Al
 and that the Israeli airline had been
 late in paying for two limousine rentals from the Egyptian
 immigrant's company. If a couple of
 late cheques were a motive for murder, Izzy's and Conrad's
 heads would now be stuffed and
 mounted in my trophy room. But, sadly, this cautionary tale
 about the Jew bloodsucker's
 commercial wiles proved also to be false.

 That left the police with no leads. Nothing to go on. The
 trail's stone cold. All the FBI has is an
 Egyptian male, who'd complained to his apartment managers
 after his neighbours post-9/11
 began displaying the American flag; who'd posted a banner
 saying READ KORAN on his own
 front door; who told his employees that he hated Israel,
 that the two biggest drug dealers in New
 York were Israelis, and that Israel was trying to wipe out
 the Egyptian population by flooding the
 country with AIDS-infected Jewess prostitutes.

 Could even the most expert psychological profiler make sense
 of such confusing and
 contradictory signs? Beats me, Sherlock. But, as Agent
 Garcia says, there's no indication of
 anti-Israel views or any other type of racial views.
 Orange County's Muslim Public Affairs
 Council has praised Agent Garcia for his exceptionally
 advanced levels of sensitivity. Any
 moment now, they'll be demanding to know why Governor Gray
 Davis has failed to visit a
 mosque to reassure Muslims.

 Meanwhile, a London newspaper says that Mr. Hadayet may have
 met with Osama bin Laden's
 deputy on at least two occasions in Cairo. If last
 Thursday's shooting is the spectacular Fourth
 of July massacre al-Qaeda have been promising for months,
 then they're to be congratulated for
 a bloody slaughter on an epic scale never before seen in
 America except from incompetent
 grade-school psychos who steal Uncle Bud's hunting rifle but
 forget to take any extra ammo.

 In a story headlined Bin Laden Plans Fresh Terror For
 September, Britain's Observer reported
 yesterday that terrorists are planning a series of
 spectacular attacks on American, British and
 Israeli targets to coincide with the anniversary of the
 destruction of the World Trade Center on
 11 September last year. As spectacular as Thursday? Well,
 let's not get too ambitious ... Oh,
 speaking of the late Mr. bin Laden, whatever happened to
 that new video we were promised
 any day now? Well, apparently, that's been pushed back to
 the new fall

Re: [CTRL] LAX Shooting: Was LA International Airport shooting, in fact, good news?


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Doesn¹t anyone remember bin laden et al calling for true believers
everywhere to rise up on their own and cause terror and kill the Americans
and their Zionist dogs? It doesn't have to be explicitly planned and
ordered. The fatwa is out. What more orders does one need?

The US does not want this called terrorism, because they are busy trying to
redefine the word terrorist to define something you can war against. If
Americans realize (remember) that the essence of terror is its
unpredictability, its ease, then they might realize that shredding the
Constitution won't do dick to stop terrorism. They might stop wearing the
flag as a blindfold, and remember what it symbolizes instead.


Not to mention that as long as Americans think of this as just a good ol'
shootin' the gun lobby doesn't have to worry about suffering at the hands
of anti-terrorist legislation and homeland security.




on 7/9/02 8:08 PM, Tenorlove at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This is why it would be good news if Hessan Hadayat turns
 out to be a member of an international terror group.  If his
 attack is the most devastating al Qaida can muster these
 days, we're doing better than most of us imagine.

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Re: [CTRL] Fisk: Threat To Liberty From New Fundamentalism

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Yes. Them too. Any sort of fundamentalist. Good science is not a fundamentalist movement. Its a methodology.

That said - I would hazard a guess the these A.D.S.Fs are responsible for a lot less bloodshed, repression, and general world malaise, than a few of the theist ones I could name.




on 7/9/02 8:39 PM, InfoWarz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

-Caveat Lector- At 07:40 PM 7/9/02 , you wrote:
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Pretty simple really
Religions blow ass
Fundamentalist religions blow rancid ass

Especially the Atheist Darwinian Socialist Fundamentalists. 
They have killed more human beings in the last hundred years than all other religions combined.
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[CTRL] Town Without Government Tests the Waters

2002-07-09 Thread Joshua Tinnin


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http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/188/metro/Town_takes_a_vacation+.shtml

Town takes a vacation

Irate Maine residents vote down a budget, bring services to halt

By Marcella Bombardieri, Globe Staff, 7/7/2002

LEBANON, Maine - The outgoing message on the Town Hall's voice mail is
spoken in an upbeat female voice: The Lebanon Town Office will be closed
until at least August 14th. Please call back then for further information.
Thank you.

Since July 1, no one has been able to register a car in Lebanon, get a
marriage license, or report a health code violation. The town clerk and
other staff are collecting unemployment, while the rescue squad begs nearby
towns to donate supplies such as latex gloves.

In a heated referendum last month, citizens voted no on the town budget,
shutting it down at least until another ballot in mid-August. The vote was
the result of a standoff between selectmen and a grass-roots citizens group.

But many residents of this Maine town near the New Hampshire border are
unruffled, even pleased, with the idea of a summer without government.

If people had their choice, most of the government would be shut down
anyways, said Jim Martin, a 42-year-old mechanic. Your tax money is going
there and it's not doing anything.

Lebanon could be the test tube that limited-government crusaders have
dreamed about for years. There are bureaucrats in Washington, D.C., who
spend their whole careers arguing over whether America would do better or
worse with fewer rules. The think tank set may never settle the issue, but
Lebanon's 5,000 people just might.

Whether it works in this place I don't know, but it is a great experiment,
said Matthew Spalding, director of the Center for American Studies at the
Heritage Foundation in Washington.

Critics, however, say stripping away the services usually provided by
government amounts to playing with people's lives.

In addition to rejecting the town offices' budget, Lebanon also rejected the
rescue squad budget and a plan for the town to buy its own ambulance, now
that a hospital has canceled its ambulance service to Lebanon. Because the
budget item didn't pass, the town had to hire a private contractor.

Some blame that outcome for the sky diving death Thursday of a woman who
crashed in Lebanon, since it took the private ambulance 20 minutes to get to
the scene from its base in a neighboring town.

She would've had a good chance if she had gotten to the hospital sooner,
said assistant rescue chief Jason Cole. The victim, Texas resident Zara E.
Sunday, 24, had trouble with her parachute and sustained severe head trauma
and internal injuries. She died of cardiac arrest about three hours after
arriving at the hospital.

But Cole said voters may not have intended to vote against the ambulance.
The measure failed by only 12 votes, in contrast to the 3-2 ratio against
the town budget, and some residents said they misunderstood the question.

The Lebanon experience - especially the sky diving death - suggests that
people tend to dislike government until they need something from it. Many
Lebanon residents are more comfortable knowing they won't get a visit from
the animal control officer, but then, some wonder what would happen if a
rabid dog paid them a visit.

In the abstract, people are happy to do without government, until it
infringes on their own freedoms and needs, said Robert O'Neill, president
of the National Academy of Public Administration, a group chartered by
Congress with the motto Making government work, and work for all. O'Neill,
a former city manager in Virginia, said people often complained to him that
they got nothing for their taxes. He would respond by asking if they flushed
their toilet or sent their kids to school.

There are things you cannot do for yourself and can only be done in a
collective way, he said.

Lebanon has a maverick political history. Without any big businesses in
town, residents constitute almost the entire tax base. With that burden has
come an especially robust skepticism about taxes and government.

A decade ago, the community spent a summer without a government, and no one
can remember any resulting disasters. That was around the same time Lebanon
shut down its own police department to save money. To this day, it pays for
extra protection from the county sheriff, and locals say their security is
just fine.

Now, thanks to the June referendum, there is no town clerk, no tax
collector, no treasurer, no animal control officer. Town clerk Laura Bragg
is volunteering two hours a week to process absentee ballots for the August
vote.

At first, citizens were told they would not be able to renew their car
registrations during the shutdown, but the selectmen later made a deal with
a nearby town to supply the service.

The transfer station is open and road crews are working, because their
budgets were passed in separate questions - although the bone-jarring road
conditions are a prime example Lebanon residents use

Re: [CTRL] Fisk: Threat To Liberty From New Fundamentalism

2002-07-09 Thread InfoWarz


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At 11:50 PM 7/9/02 , you wrote:
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Yes. Them too. Any sort of fundamentalist. Good science is not a fundamentalist 
movement. It s a methodology.

Good science is not fundamental?
A physicist, mathematician, biologist, that doesn't know the fundamentals of their 
discipline and of the scientific method would be useless.
Physical Scientists are rigid fundamentalists.
Would you want a mechanic working on your car that wasn't well versed in the 
fundamentals of his trade?
Any one who is not a fundamentalist in their science, religion, trade, or whatever is 
wasting their time.
Non-fundamentalism equates to half-assed.
Fundamentalism is a good thing.

That said - I would hazard a guess the these A.D.S.Fs are responsible for a lot less 
bloodshed, repression, and general world malaise, than a few of the theist ones I 
could name.

Yeah, like those great theists Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin, Mugabe, Mandela, and Hitler.

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