Re: [CTRL] Clinton to be trusted ?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-01-25 19:33:07 EST, you write: You're right. I guess I'm what you would call a "Clintonite," and I don't trust him. But then, I don't trust anybody anymore. Linda I think that everyone on this list is more than a little sceptical about anything the government has to say. If it sounds good... what is the hidden agenda? People I know at work seem to think something is wrong, but they can't quite put their finger on it. When I show them a few laws that are directly anti-Constitutional... they refuse to believe them, but some day they will, I hope they begin to understand before it's too late to do anything about it. Then again, maybe it is already too late. Regards, Bob Stokes DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Free Trade Hearings in the Senate
-Caveat Lector- In case you missed this. ** Clinton looks to Senate to lead way on fast-track Finance Committee ready to assemble trade agenda; hearings on international trade to start on Tuesday BY WILLIAM ROBERTS JOURNAL OF COMMERCE STAFF WASHINGTON -- The Clinton administration is looking to the Senate Finance Committee chaired by Sen. Bill Roth, R-Del., to take a leadership role in crafting a trade agenda for 1999. With global free-trade talks set to kick off again at a U.S.-hosted meeting of the World Trade Organization later this year, and after two-years of partisan bickering here, pressure is intensifying on all sides to achieve a consensus on U.S. policy. This week the Senate Finance Committee jumps into the fray with three days of hearings beginning Tuesday on international trade, featuring testimony from senior administration official, U.S. business and industry, labor and environmental groups. The Senate's willingness to engage in the issues, signaled by Sen. Roth last year, has drawn a positive response from the administration. "At this juncture we will work particularly with the Senate Finance Committee as they put together a bill," U.S. Trade Representative Charlene Barshefsky said last week when asked by reporters about the administration's plans for winning renewed trade negotiating authority this year. Mr. Clinton's call last week in his State of the Union address for "common ground" on trade policy has given the Finance Committee's hearings impetus. Among those scheduled to appear are Treasury Secretary Bob Rubin, Commerce Secretary Bill Daley, Labor Secretary Alexis Herman and Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Carol Browner. The Senate activity is in sharp contrast to the tone of trade politics in the House, where Ways and Means Committee leaders are not pursuing talks. Rather, Rep. Philip Crane, R-Ill., chairman of the Trade Subcommittee, intends to advance the same, narrow fast-track bill that was defeated in the House last year. Rep. Bill Archer, R-Texas, chairman of the full Ways and Means Committee, also plans to advance that bill. Both men seem to want to get the issue off their agenda's quickly. "Their thinking is they haven't heard anything from the administration to change their minds. They just want to get it out," one observer said. Meanwhile, interest is focusing on defining what role the International Labor Organization could play in setting labor standards for world trade. Last year, Sen. Daniel P. Moynihan, D-N.Y., attached language to the Senate's version of the fast-track bill identifying the ILO as a player. Last year also saw Labor Secretary Alexis Herman travel to Europe to meet with ILO officials and raise trade issues. Mr. Clinton mentioned the ILO and banning abusive child labor in his State of the Union address. Also, Mrs. Barshefsky reiterated administration interest in drawing the organization into the game. American big business is willing look at the ILO, too. "There's a trial balloon being floated here. We would like to know some more specifics about expanding the role of the ILO," said Willard Workman, of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. "The ILO is not just a forum for the unions and government but business is represented there, too. We have a seat at the table," he said. Still unclear is how U.S. labor will come down on the matter. John Sweeney, president of the AFL-CIO, and other influential union leaders are believed to be anxious to cut a deal with the administration soon. The timetable of the United States hosting the WTO ministerial meetings later this year, and plans for summit meetings on labor and environment in March, will pressure U.S. unions to articulate a workable, non-obstructionist policy. So far, "I think they are viewing the signals from the president as very positive. They are very clear on what's needed for fast-track to be done," said one congressional aid. Labor's position on legislative language will be key, because it sets the level of Mr. Clinton's forcefulness in lobbying and pushing for fast-track enactment. Historically, strong leadership by the president is needed to pass any such legislation. * In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. /s/ Mike Dolan, Field Director, Global Trade Watch, Public Citizen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tradewatch.org 202.546.4996 fax:547.7392 Join the Global Trade Watch list server. We will keep you up to date on trade policy and politics. To subscribe, send this message: "SUBSCRIBE TW-LIST" [followed by your name, your organizational affiliation and the state in which you live] to [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational
Re: [CTRL] Bakers' Dozen
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-01-23 22:07:04 EST, you write: I was thinking about these guys (all men) during the proceedings and got to wondering about them almost all being from the South / Midwest (except for the guys from Utah and California) ... what does THIS mean? Does it mean anything? Does it mean that the North already controls everything since some claim that this is a "takeover" by the South. I don't think so... if Clinton is removed from office then Gore will takeover (another liberal from the South). What is wrong with having conservatives have a voice in government, liberals (socialists) have had control since WWII. In this period of time we have seen welfare grow, we now have very limited freedom because of limits put on us by thousands, maybe millions of laws. We have seen an imaginary "War on Drugs" that sucks up more money than anyone could have imagined when they passed the antidrug laws. We can have our property confiscated without due process of law, and if we are not guilty... we have to hire a lawyer at great personal expense to get that property back. We have also seen the size of government as well as the cost of taxes to support that government grow in greater proportion than the growth in population. We have also seen the large corporations pay a very disproportionately lower amount of taxes than the working person or the small businesses. We have seen the term "Democracy" being used to define our government when we were supposed to be a Republic with a limited Democracy (election of the House of Representatives). It all gets a little crazy when an owl has more rights than a man (many thousands of men as far as that goes). Right is still right and wrong is still wrong, but government has twisted the definitions through repetition and subtle forms of mind control. There surely is something wrong when I have to pay in the high five figures to get a college education, but a criminal can get a college degree for free in prison, or a woman who has a baby out of wedlock can get a two year degree and welfare for two years for free... why am I being punished for being responsible, for being straight? It gets hard to determine what is conservative and liberal. Regards, Bob Stokes "In 1931, when Brave New World was being written, I was convinced that there was still plenty of time. The completely organized society, the scientific caste system, the abolition of free will by methodical conditioning, the servitude made acceptable by regular doses of chemically induced happiness, the orthodoxies drummed in by nightly courses of sleep-teaching - these things were coming all right, but not in my time, not even in the time of my grandchildrenTwenty-seven years later,...I feel a good deal less optimistic... In the West,...individual men and women still enjoy a large measure of freedom. But...this freedom and even the desire for this freedom seem to be on the wane." Aldous Huxley Brave New World Revisited 1958 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] One More Excuse for Seizure of Property
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-01-22 22:18:35 EST, RoadsEnd writes: Interesting how a city administrative code supersedes the US Constitution . . . ? Go to sleep . . . its just a bad dream . . . and when one wakens, . . . what shall we find . . . ? MJ: What of those elderly and similarly impaired who cannot react or see well? What of those 'exhausted' individuals (recent study) who demonstrate LIKE characteristic to 'drunks'? What of those who should NOT have been licensed in the first place? Why discriminate AGAINST those who CHOOSE to drink? Unless they damage property WHAT crime has been exacted? Could be the next law will be if you get a traffic ticket... you won't get your property back unless you can prove you are innocent more money for the lawyers, more money for the cops, more money for the judges? Will the people of New York stand for this? You bet they will... should they? NO! They should petition and recall the politicians who passed this law... provided they haven't already passed a law prohibiting recall. Regards, Bob Stokes DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Another busted myth.* Only the good die young.*
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-01-21 22:40:23 EST, you write: WASHINGTON, DC--After decades of waiting, the much-anticipated mass Baby Boomer die-off should finally commence within the next five to ten years, Census Bureau officials said Monday. "I am pleased to announce that it won't be much longer now," Census Bureau deputy director Arthur Clausewitz said at a press conference. "According to our statistics, by 2009, we should see the Baby Boomers start to die off in large numbers. Clausewitz said. " the curtain will at long last fall on what is regarded by many as the most odious generation America has ever produced." What is this? Some sort of "hate mail?" Clausewitz also noted that the cost of caring for the elderly and infirm of the nation's largest demographic group will be enormous. Who does this sorry SOB think has been paying his high government salary, it sure as shit isn't the old farts on social security, nor the Little Baby Gangsters of the current generation. "The selfishness that has been a hallmark of the Boomers will continue right up to the very end, as they force millions of younger Americans to devote an inordinate amount of time and resources to their care, bankrupting the Social Security system in the process," Clausewitz said. "In their old age, the Boomers will actually manage to take as much from the next generation as they did the previous one, which fought WWII so that their Boomer children could have Philco TVs and Davy Crockett air rifles." What a jerk. I this big government hypocrite trying to rewrite history. If Social Security goes bankrupt it will be because it is a pyramid scheme. Government robs us of our money by taxing us "to provide for the elderly" then they spend the excess taxes they collect to promote groth in government rather than putting it in interest earning securities. Theft, pure and simple. The financial sector will also feel the hit, as it is forced to fill some 400,000 high-paying stockbroker and corporate-banking jobs, held for decades by ex-hippies. Yep, they are going to find it hard to fill positions with the dumbed-down hip-hop rap babies who are only interested in "chillin" with their gang members. "It's not exactly clear how, but for the past 40 years, this generation has managed to keep the spotlight on itself," Brown University history professor A. Thomas Raymond said. "The era-defining flower children of the '60s, hedonistic disco-goers of the '70s, BMW-driving yuppies of the '80s and graying private-investor homeowner parents of the '90s all have one thing in common: They're all Boomers." Well Thomas Raymond... what does the "A" stand for in your name, as if I didn't know. Not all boomers were hippies, or yuppies, very few were. Makes Brown University appear not to have the "brightest" professors. Raymond continued. "Thankfully, though, their reign will soon come to an end. It's just too bad so few of them died before they got old." Too bad this "professor" doesn't live in the real world... too bad he wasn't an abortion. Bob Stokes DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] NAFTA at 5 Part 1
-Caveat Lector- School of Real-Life Results Report Card December 1998 Student: North American Free Trade Agreement Grading Period: January 1, 1994 to January 1, 1999 Individual Subjects: Grade: U.S. Job Creation and Job Quality F Agriculture F The Environment F Public Health F Wage Levels in the U.S. and Mexico F Economic Development and Living Standards in Mexico F Sovereignty and Democratic Governance F Highway Safety, Drug Enforcement and Smuggling F Labor and Environmental Side Agreements and Training ProgramsF ÿ Comments: NAFTA's proponents promised benefits for the U.S., Canada and Mexico. The promises - 200,000 new U.S. jobs from NAFTA per year, higher wages in Mexico and a growing U.S. trade surplus with Mexico, environmental clean-up and improved health along the border - have all failed to materialize. However, as this report illustrates, after five years, NAFTA fails to pass the most conservative test of all: a simple do-no-harm test. Under NAFTA, conditions have deteriorated in many areas in which gains were promised. In each subject NAFTA's grade is a failing one - data and examples are provided to explain why. NAFTA at 5 January 1, 1999 is the fifth anniversary of the implementation of the North American Free Trade Agreement: NAFTA now has an extensive real life record. Public Citizen's Global Trade Watch conducted a detailed review of that track record, assessing the results of NAFTA in several crucial areas. This Report Card - reflecting the results of our review - grades NAFTA on the major issues. Impact on Job Creation and Job Quality in the U.S. Impact on Agriculture Impact on the Environment Impact on Public Health Impact on Wages in the U.S. and Mexico Impact on Economic Development and Living Standards in Mexico Impact on Democratic Governance and Sovereignty Impact on Highway Safety, Drug Enforcement and Smuggling The Performance of NAFTA's Trade Adjustment Assistance Program The Performance of NAFTA's Labor and Environmental Side Agreements NAFTA's proponents promised the pact would create new benefits and gains in each of these areas. The promised benefits - 200,000 new U.S. jobs from NAFTA per year, higher wages in Mexico and a growing U.S. trade surplus with Mexico, environmental clean-up and improved health along the border - have to a one failed to materialize.(1) However, as this report illustrates, after five years, NAFTA fails to pass the most conservative test of all: a simple do-no-harm test. Under NAFTA, conditions have not only have not improved, they have deteriorated in many areas. As a result, on each of the issues examined, the only fair grade for NAFTA is a failing one - hard data and real-life examples tell the story. The American Public Also Grades NAFTA a Failure Recent opinion polls show that the majority of Americans are aware of NAFTA's poor performance. Asked for their views, everyday citizens give NAFTA "F's" for benefitting the public interest and "A's" for boosting big corporations. 66% of Americans believe that free trade agreements between the U.S. and other countries cost the U.S. jobs(2) 66% of Americans believe that NAFTA has helped large corporations(3) 27% of Americans believe that NAFTA has helped small business in the U.S.(4) 58% of Americans agree that foreign trade has been bad for the U.S. economy because cheap imports have cost wages and jobs here(5) 81% of Americans say that Congress should not accept trade agreements that give other countries the power to overturn U.S. laws on consumer safety, labor or the environment(6) For the first time ever, Americans say the U.S. trade deficit is the most important economic issue facing the country, above taxes, the federal budget deficit, and inflation. In 1993, only 7% of Americans thought the trade deficit was the most important economic issue facing the country, trailing unemployment, the federal deficit and taxes.(7) ÿ U.S. Job Creation and Job Quality ... On the issue of U.S. job creation, the central focus of pro-NAFTA compaigning, it is fair to measure NAFTA's real-life results against its backers' expansive promises of hundreds of thousands of new, high-paying U.S. jobs. However, even measured against the more lenient "do no harm" standard, NAFTA has been a failure. Using trade flow data to calculate job loss under NAFTA (incorporating exactly the formula used by NAFTA's backers to predict 200,000 per year NAFTA job creation) yields net job destruction numbers in the hundreds of thousands. Whether the loss of hundreds of thousands of jobs qualifies as "a giant sucking sound" depends on the ear of the listener. It is clear, however, that NAFTA has indisputably led to widespread job loss, with over 200,000 U.S. workers certified as NAFTA
[CTRL] NAFTA at 5 Part 2
-Caveat Lector- The Environment ... When NAFTA was being debated in 1993, concerns were raised that additional industrial activity generated by NAFTA would exacerbate pre-existing environmental and public health problems caused by a high concentration of export manufacturing plants in the free trade zone along the U.S.-Mexico border. The Clinton Administration echoed these concerns, agreeing that the "maquiladora" sector posed a grave risk to border ecology and public health. The Administration promised that NAFTA would relieve pressure on the border region by extending trade benefits to Mexico's interior, thus reducing the incentive for U.S. industrial firms to locate along the border. Indeed, the Administration went so far as to claim that without NAFTA, the growth of the maquiladora sector would cause an environmentally devastating spiral of industrial and population growth and resulting air and water pollution.(41) Yet rather than reversing, this trend has accelerated. During NAFTA's first five years the maquiladora zone along the U.S.-Mexico border has undergone explosive growth, compounding pre-existing environmental and health problems. The latest count puts the number of border maquiladoras at 1,947, 37% more than in 1993.(42) In Tijuana alone, maquiladora employment has skyrocketed by 92%.(43) Worse, the promised clean-ups and new environmental infrastructure never materialized. And NAFTA has been wielded as a weapon to attack federal and subfederal environmental and public health safeguards, with a series of legal challenges to countries' environmental laws launched by corporations using NAFTA's investment provisions (Chapter 11). Corporations Use NAFTA to Attack Environmental Laws: Of the seven known challenges using NAFTA's investor right-to-sue-governments provisions, six involve U.S. corporations attacking federal- or state-level environmental measures in Canada and Mexico.(44) In three cases, the U.S.-based companies are suing Mexico for the right to open hazardous waste disposal facilities.(45) The other three cases involve U.S.-based corporations suing Canada claiming environmental laws are "regulatory takings" against which NAFTA created new investor rights. These include a British Columbia ban on the export - by tanker - of water to the United States; a federal public health ban on the import of a toxic gasoline additive; and a federal rule temporarily banning the export of PCBs for disposal.(46) The best known of these is the Ethyl Corporation's successful 1997 claim against Canada, which forced the Canadian government to kill a major public health law. For a discussion of the Ethyl case, see page . Hazardous Waste Transports Up Under NAFTA: Hazardous waste imports into the United States in 1997 (the latest year for which data is available) are higher than in 1993 - or than any time in the 1990s - and have increased 50% since 1996 alone.(47) EPA attributes this increase in hazardous waste trade to the increase in maquiladoras under NAFTA; hazardous waste imports into the U.S. are expected to continue to rise as the number of maquiladoras grows.(48) This increase heightens the risks of contamination due to spills during transport. Indeed, Mexican trucks are almost twice as likely as U.S. trucks to be forced out of service for failing inspections.(49) Toxic Dumping Remains a Big Problem: Despite the increase in the transport of hazardous waste across the border, five years after NAFTA much maquiladora waste is still unaccounted for.(50) The problem of illegal dumping of hazardous waste along the U.S.-Mexico border is well-documented; among the total 2,900 Mexican maquiladoras, only 751 compliance manifests on the proper disposal of hazardous waste have been filed since 1991.(51) After NAFTA, Lack of Promised Clean-Up: More than four years after its closure, 6,000 metric tons of lead remain at the Metales y Derivados site in Tijuana, Mexico.(52) The plant, owned by the San Diego-based New Frontier Trading Corp., operated a smelter. It was shut down four years ago. Despite the risk to local residents and efforts of local environmental groups, the Mexican government has failed even to begin clean-up.(53) Surge in Industrial Activity in Tijuana Leads to $250 Million Mess South Bay International Wastewater Treatment Plant Will Dump 25 Million Gallons of Waste Daily a Few Miles off Pacific Coast Starting in early 1999, each day 25 million gallons of "treated," but still toxic Mexican sewage will be discharged off of Imperial Beach, California.(54) An International Wastewater Treatment Plant, being constructed on the U.S. side of the border for a cost of $250 million, will treat sewage from Tijuana. The city has undergone a 92% explosion in maquiladora employment under NAFTA,(55) but did not have infrastructure to treat the pre-boom waste water.(56) With "treated" sewage dumped into 100 ft. deep water only a few
[CTRL] NAFTA at 5 [140 footnotes]
-Caveat Lector- The foregoing report is formatted with your mind in mind at http://www.citizen.org/pctrade/nafta/reports/5years.htm Endnotes 1. See Public Citizen, The Border Betrayed (January 1996), Failure to Create U.S. Jobs (February 1997) and Fast Track to Unsafe Food (September 1997). 2. Poll Conducted by Peter D. Hart Research Associates, Inc. for the AFL-CIO, July 18-22, 1997. 3. Ibid. 4. Ibid. 5. 12/03/98-12/06/98 Wall Street Journal/NBC News Survey conducted. 2,106 adults. 6. Poll Conducted by Peter D. Hart Research Associates, Inc. for the AFL-CIO, July 18-22, 1997. 7. Ibid. 8. Department of Labor's study that states there is a 2 :1 chance of workers not finding a better job; "More Than 43 Million Jobs Lost, Reaching Every Walk of Life," New York Times, reprinted in National Times, December 1996. Since March 1998 198,000 manufacturing jobs have been lost. The service sector has been able to absorb the layoffs, but the displaced workers are usually paid less than they had been in the manufacturing sector. See, Louis Uchitelle, "The Economy Grows. The Smokestacks Shrink," New York Times, 11/ 29/98. 9. Bureau of Labor Statistics, 1996-1997 Jobs Outlook. 10. See Chicago Tribune, NAFTA at 5, Promises Realities, November 29, 1998. 11. U.S. Census Bureau, http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/www/deficit.html 12. The latest trade balance data available are the October 1998 figures. Year-end projection have been calculated by Rob Scott of the Economic Policy Institute. The U.S. trade deficit with Mexico for October 1998 is $13.2 billion and with Canada is $15 billion. 13. International Trade Commission, Production Sharing: The Use of U.S. Components and Materials in Foreign Assembly Operations, April 1997. 14. Rothstein, Jesse and Rob Scott. "NAFTA's Casualties," September 19, 1997. 15. Department of Commerce, International Trade Administration data, 1993-1997. 16. U.S. Labor Department NAFTA-TAA data, as of November 19, 1998. 17. See, Public Citizen's Global Trade Watch, NAFTA's Broken Promises: Failure to Create U.S. Jobs, February 1997. 18. Dailey, Rickey. "NAFTA Gets Mixed Reviews," The Brownsville Herald, August 22, 1998. 19. "Border Counties Poorest in Nation," The Brownsville Herald, July 23, 1998. 20. New Mexico State University, U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. 21. U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. 22. USDA, Number of Farms and Net Cash Income by Size Class, 1993, 1997; "The fast track myth," Agri News, July 16, 1998, letter to the editor by Steve Suppan. 23. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, consumer prices for food in general have risen slightly since 1993. For fruit and vegetables - much of which is imported under NAFTA, consumer prices have risen 7% in real terms since. 24. USDA, Number of Farms and Net Cash Income by Size Class, 1993 and 1997. 25. Export data from U.S. Aggregate Foreign Trade Data, U.S. Department of Commerce International Trade Administration. Canadian farm income data in Adrian Ewins, "Review Farm Policy Now, Demands Departing NFU Head," The Western Producer, 12/10/98. 26. Bureau of Labor Statistics, CPI data on Pork: 1993-1998 (first 11 months of 1998). Also see, Barboza, David. "Farmers Are in Crisis as Hog Prices Collapse," The New York Times, 12/13/98. 27. U.S. Department of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics, CPI data. 28. "Message Delivered Through Free Pork," The Western Producer, 12/10/98. 29. USDA, U.S. Total Agricultural Trade Balances with Individual Countries, 1991-97. 30. 50.U.S. International Trade Commission, "Impact of the North American Free Trade Agreement on the U.S. Economy and Industries: A Three Year Review," June 1997, pp. 6-65. 31. Florida Tomato Grower Association, interview with Wayne Hawkins. 32. Letter from Florida Tomato Exchange to Congressman Joe Scarborough, August 25, 1997. 33. Bureau of Labor Statistics, CPI data, 1993-1997. 34. "Brussels Sprouts Woes Increase," Wall Street Journal, 12/1/98. 35. USDA Foreign Agricultural Service, "US Agricultural Consumption Imports," January 1993 to December 1997. 36. Barboza, David, "Farmers Are in Crisis as Hog Prices Collapse." New York Times, 12/13/98. 37. October 8, 1998 Hearing in the House Agriculture Committee, "Agricultural Trade Issues with Canada." 38. Bureau of Labor Statistics, CPI data on Pork 1993-November 1998. Barboza, David. "Farmers Are in Crisis as Hog Prices Collapse," The New York Times, 12/13/98. 39. As of July 1998, the U.S. has 720 million bushels of wheat in carry-out stocks. See Paul Menser, "Trading Blame: Idaho Farmers are struggling to see how NAFTA benefits their bottom line," Post Register, 7/12/98. 40. Paul Menser, "Trading Blame: Idaho Farmers are struggling to see how NAFTA benefits their bottom line," Post Register, 7/12/98, quoting Mike Lipscomb of the Idaho Rural Council. 41. Clinton Administration, Report on Environmental Issues, November 1993, ES-8. 42. United States-Mexico Chamber of Commerce, "The
[CTRL] Fast Track 99
-Caveat Lector- Subj:Fast Track '99 Date: 99-01-15 17:21:42 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Dolan) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Multiple recipients of list TW-LIST) We are often asked, "Will the transnational corporate 'free trade' lobby and their running dog political lackeys in Washington DC actually endeavor to pass 'Fast Track' to expand the flawed and failed NAFTA model during the opening weeks of the 106th Congress?" Now this is an excellent question and, really, the answer depends on who you talk to. Here at Public Citizen's Global Trade Watch, as many of you know, we tend to take a pessimistic perspective -- often an even alarmist attitude -- about the legislative calendar and the resources of the Bizness Roundtable (and their astroturf booster squads like ALOT! and GO TRADE!). That is to say, we err (when we err) on the side of caution; and all things being equal, we figure they'll go for it, after trying to lure the forces of Fair Trade into a false sence of coalitional confidence. So we naturally urge all the Fair Trade activists in this country -- whether from labor unions or environmental organizations or family farm groups or progressive congregations or protectionist militias -- to contact their congressional delegations NOW, especially the new members. In subsequent postings to this modest list-serve, we will offer sample letters to congress-members and newspaper editors. In the meantime, everybody should get on talk radio; also: 1) Our prize-wining web-site is www.tradewatch.org 2) JoC (1/12/99) suggests that the GOP House leadership will be pushing for Fast Track. 3) Inside US Trade (1/15/99) suggests that the White House may not have the stomach for it. 4) An anonymous friend alerts us to the opening gambit of the Senate Finance Committee (a source of much pro-corporate trade policy mischief in the waning days of the 105th Congress). * Journal of Commerce Tuesday, January 12, 1999 Rep. Archer sees Congress passing fast-track legislation by April SANTIAGO - Rep. Bill Archer, chairman of House of Representative's Ways and Means Committee, said he sees Congress approving 'fast- track' negotiating authority legislation before April. Mr. Archer, who was heading a congressional delegation in Chile, said Chile would be the first country with which the legislation would be used to negotiate a free-trade agreement. The legislator's comments run counter to most U.S. trade analysts, who have said the Clinton impeachment scandal over lying about his sexual relationship with former White House intern Monica Lewinsky will likely knock fast track off Congress' attention this year. 'We are hopeful we'll be able to pass fast-track no later than April of this year,' Mr. Archer, a Republican, told reporters after meeting with Chilean Finance Minister Eduardo Aninat. He added he was optimistic Congress would grant the Clinton administration broad 'fast-track' authority to negotiate with other countries besides Chile. Mr. Archer said he thought Congress had a better chance of getting enough votes to approve the negotiating authority. 'We are prepared to put every effort into getting the votes necessary to pass (fast-track),' he said. He believes that Chile would be incorporated as the fourth member of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), rather than negotiate a bilateral agreement with the US. Chile has already signed comprehensive bilateral free-trade pacts with Canada and Mexico, the other 2 NAFTA members. Chile's incorporation into NAFTA is tied to the creation of a Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA), an initiative agreed upon by the heads of state of the Americas at last year's America's Summit * WHITE HOUSE STRUGGLING TO SOLIDIFY FAST-TRACK POSITION THIS MONTH ___ Date: January 15, 1999 - Inside US Trade - The Clinton Administration is struggling with how to handle fast-track negotiating authority this year, and has stepped up efforts to seek industry advice on a possible fast-track initiative, according to industry sources. These sources said two events that will likely force the Administration to indicate its position seem to be driving these recent efforts. One is President Clinton's upcoming State of the Union address, which may mention a trade agenda in some way. Sources said that at press time, it was still unclear how much the speech would mention trade, or whether fast track would specifically be mentioned. The other event is a scheduled three-day Senate Finance Committee hearing on trade, sources said. U.S. Trade Representative Charlene Barshefsky, Commerce Secretary William Daley and Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin are scheduled to testify on the first day of this hearing. "The first question to Barshefsky will probably be on fast track," one industry source, which he
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: They're at it Again!
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-01-16 18:51:14 EST, you write: CNN stated that the Government would be voting in less than two weeks time to decide to allow or not allow a charge to your phone bill equal to a Long Distance call EACH time you access the Internet. I've seen this message quite a few times in the last couple of weeks. Can anyone verify that this is correct, I think it is a hoax... no bill number to go by, no reference except CNN and no date/time for that. The address is http://www.house.gov/writerep/ If you choose, visit the address above and fill out the necessary form! No form here, just a ploace to get a representative's email address. Regards, Bob Stokes DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] King Clinton Rules by Decree
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-01-13 13:20:47 EST, you write: As noted before, this line of thinking, carried to the extreme reaches of the bureaucratic mind, will result in requiring everyone to have a breathing permit, for we all, with every breath, emit carbon dioxide. And taking it even further, such permits could become the population control measure of some "1984" future society. You cannot have more than one child; two will produce too much carbon dioxide. RED China, Clinton's buddies that provide money for the DNC already have the one child rule. I think Clinton stated (or his aides) that he was going to use his power (abuse) of Executive Orders if he didn't get his way... the sooner he is impeached, the better, but citizens, even a large portion of members subscribing to this list... still support him. Welcome to the C.S.A. (Communist States of America). I think it was Claire Wolfe who said "America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." I'm thinking it might be like Jefferson stated that it takes the blood of tyrants and patriots to cleanse the system and start anew. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Drudge Report
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-01-10 01:07:10 EST, you write: The gentleman claimed that Warren Harding was a great man. Since he made the claim I was only asking why he believed it to be true. Not an unreasonable request. Since you're posting on Harding...please be forthcoming. What information can you shed on the subject? None, I guess. Then, you shift over to the subject of President Clinton.. I have no interest in Harding... long dead, long forgotten. It was you Clintonites who keep shifting from Clinton to the evil Republicans, never answering any of my posts with substance or even common sense. You support this criminal in the White House even though he has done nothing worth supporting. This is only a Clintonite tactic... this shifting of the subject... something the Clintonites know well... a subtle form of mind control and like the President... avoiding the issue. First off, he is not my hero. He wasn't my first choice. I wanted someone who would address the collapse of American manufacturing and stop our slide into globalism. Clinton is really a product of the DNC, a group that has a strong corporate/globalist orientation interested in pushing through NAFTA and GATT, two trade measures I opposed. So, I'm not happy with him. The way you defend Clinton, you leave the impression that you respect/like him as President in many of your former posts. Democrats/Republicans are the same, they both voted for NAFTA and GATT. Both parties receive money (bribes) from big business (the rich) and pass legislation. Clinton is also pushing for "fast-track" authority on MAI... that issue isn't dead yet. I'm an economic nationalist. Since you seem to be free with the term, "traitor," I think it is just short of treasonous for American corporations to continue using slave labor around the world, close down plants in America, open up operations in hellholes around the world, then bring their shoddy, slave-labor products back into the US to sell them at inflated prices. That is irresponsible and in my book, because they are undercutting the economic well-being of working families here in the United States. This policy of globalization has been pushed by both political parties (Republicans champion it as well as Democrats). Clinton is just continuing the policies of his predecessors (going back to Nixon--a Republican president--who championed an open door policy to China.) Of course, I believe that we need to develop peaceful trading policies with other countries..but not at the expense of our own people. On this point, we have serious philosophical differences. I believe that everyone--both labor and the business sector must pursue policies that further the common good--by that I mean, they should pursue economic policies that further the best interests of their own country. We could learn from the Japanese on this point. The Japanese business class does not impoverish their own workers in order to make a quick buck like we will do. They are profoundly patriotic. They're not interested in undercutting the economic well-being of their own people. Nor do they craft trade policies that are in the worst interests of their own fellow citizens. As a result, they don't have the kind of rancorous class divisions we have here... Of course, the analogy falls apart when you consider that they are a homogeneous society...without the racial/ethnic/religious/ divisions.. but their professional elites (the most privileged members of their system) do not seek to impoverish their own citizens. Examples: Nike, Boeing, General Electric, General Motors,...a long list of manufacturers, food producers, etc. From my own personal experience in my former community of Mayfield, Kentucky...three manufacturing industries were closed up and moved overseas (Dillon Manufacturing, Mary-Nell and a boot company whose name I've forgotten). I agree with all you have said about American corporations, that is, the large corporations, most of which are multinational. Corporations run the government, they vote with their money to get special acts to benefit themselves. Perhaps the real criminals are the CEOs, presidents and board of directors who sit on many different companies and use the stockholders money to advance their own private bank accounts by stock buybacks, political contributions, contributions to colleges, trusts, and other tax free "benevolent" organisations. The Japanese do have the advantage of being almost one race. Their laws are based more on what is right for the country rather than what is right for the minorities. Japan does have a small minority of Chinese and Koreans living there, but they are not given any special privileges as are minorities in this country. I base these observations on my living in Japan from 1974 - 1978, things may have changed some since then. You called President Clinton a "traitor." Walk the walk yourself,
[CTRL] A Candid Report on the 105th Congress
-Caveat Lector- http://www.eagleforum.org/psr/1998/dec98/psrdec98.html A HREF="http://www.eagleforum.org/psr/"Phyllis Schlafly Report Index/A A Candid Report on the 105th Congress 'Big Brother' Tracking Our Daily Actions The 1996 Kennedy-Kassebaum law authorized the Department of Health and Human Services to assign "unique health care identifiers" to each American so that the government can electronically tag, track and monitor our personal medical records. Due to grassroots lobbying by Eagle Forum and others, the Omnibus- spending bill passed in October forbids the government from going ahead with this totalitarian plan "until legislation is enacted specifically approving the standard." The Collections of Information Antipiracy bill did not pass, thanks to grassroots lobbying by Eagle Forum and others. This bill would have encouraged private corporations to build databases of personal information about individual Americans, including name, address, telephone number, medical records, and "any other intangible material capable of being collected and organized in a systematic way." Corporations would acquire new federal property rights in these databases that would be protected by federal police power. Your medical chart detailing your visits to your doctor, for example, would suddenly become the federally protected property of other persons or corporations, and their rights would be enforced by the federal courts. The 1996 Welfare Reform Act requires all employers to send to a new government database, the Directory of New Hires, the name, address and Social Security number of every new worker and every employee who is promoted. This will become a massive database, tracking nearly every worker in America. The Clinton Administration tried to put a provision in the Omnibus-spending bill to share this New Hires database with other agencies (which shows how dangerous these databases are becoming). Due to the alert action of Eagle Forum, this language was deleted. Expect a battle about all these databases next year because they are a vital part of Clinton's plans to move us into "Big Brother" government. They were a major part of Clinton's socialized medicine scheme that was rejected in 1994. Trying to get Congress to kill these anti-privacy notions permanently will be a big issue in the next Congress. (See the Phyllis Schlafly Reports, July and September 1998.) Picture Federal I.D. Cards Postponed When Social Security was started, the government promised that the Social Security number would never be used for identification. But the 1996 Illegal Immigration Reform Act requires that state driver's licenses after October 1, 2000 must contain Social Security numbers as the unique numeric identifier. This is clearly an attempt to convert drivers' licenses (a state matter) into national I.D. cards that will soon also include fingerprints and a magnetic strip containing all sorts of other information (retina scan, DNA print, voice print) to enable the government to track everyone's movements. The Omnibus-spending bill passed in October prohibits the government from issuing final regulations about this during the current fiscal year, which ends September 30, 1999. The stage is set for a battle next year. (See the Phyllis Schlafly Reports, July and September 1998.) Picture Clinton's Attempt to Control the Classroom The Clinton Administration is engaged in a four-prong attempt to control the curriculum of the nation's classrooms: the Goals 2000 Act passed in 1994, the School-to-Work Act passed in 1994, National Standards (which have been intellectually discredited, but are pervasive in new textbooks), and National Testing. It is obvious that national tests would give the U.S. Department of Education control of curriculum, because schools would "teach to the test." Thanks to determined efforts by Rep. Bill Goodling (R-PA) and Senator John Ashcroft (R-MO), the Omnibus-spending bill prohibits the use of federal funds to implement any new national tests not explicitly authorized by Congress. (See the Phyllis Schlafly Reports, November 1997 and March 1995.) Two School-to-Work bills were passed and signed into law: H.R. 1385 covering adult job training, youth dropout job training, and some after-school K-12 programs; and H.R. 1853, which deals with K-12 in-school vocational education. We are concerned that these bills are a big step toward mandatory school-to- work and Clinton's federalized education agenda. However, H.R. 1853 does include some important restrictions: Senator John Ashcroft's ban on using these funds to implement the 1994 School-to-Work Act, a prohibition on the development of a national database, and an explicit requirement that student participation in vocational or technical or career-path programs be voluntary. (See the Phyllis Schlafly Report, April 1997.) In an important development, Rep. Bob Schaffer (R-CO) put Marc Tucker's famous 18-page "Dear Hillary" letter in the
[CTRL] Why Clinton Still Raises Big Campaign Money
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.eagleforum.org/psr/"Phyllis Schlafly Report Index/A Why Clinton Still Raises Big Campaign Money In his struggle to hang on to his failed presidency, Bill Clinton appears only before the groups he can count on to shore up his self-esteem by giving him a standing ovation, such as the United Nations General Assembly, the Council on Foreign Relations, and Democratic "fat cats" in multinational corporations. They like his policies and just don't care about his morals. No wonder the UN provided an enthusiastic audience! Just a year ago, Clinton addressed that same forum and assured the delegates that he would enhance UN power by bringing the United States into a "web of institutions and arrangements" for "the emerging international system" through four specific UN treaties. Clinton has delivered on his promises. He successfully persuaded the Senate to ratify the World Trade Organization, the Chemical Weapons Convention, and the NATO Expansion Treaty, and he is implementing the unratified Global Warming Treaty through federal regulations. He is also implementing the unratified Biodiversity Treaty and other agreements from the 1992 Earth Summit through his American Heritage Rivers Initiative and the President's Council on Sustainable Development. Meanwhile, Clinton has gone the last mile to deliver on the legislation so eagerly sought by the global economy advocates, whose most elite spokesmen nest in the Council on Foreign Relations. Their wish list includes the $18 billion handout to the International Monetary Fund, Fast Track (trusting Clinton to make trade agreements), Most Favored Nation status for Communist China, allowing U.S. technology to go surreptitiously to China, the permanent stationing of U.S. troops in Bosnia under NATO command, and corporate welfare to subsidize trade with corrupt Asian regimes. The global economy enthusiasts are well satisfied with President Clinton because he gives them what they want, at our expense. That's why his high- dollar dinners produce so much cash for Democratic coffers. The New York Times (September 20, 1998) has just provided an in-depth look at how corporate welfare for the multinational corporations and big political insiders is milking the U.S. taxpayers for billions. While a lot of folks are worried about their stake in mutual funds and 401(k) accounts that are invested in the global market, the Times reminds us that the "politically connected and well-heeled financiers with big bets in these shaky regions can sleep better" because their losses will be covered by U.S. taxpayers through the Overseas Private Investment Corporation (OPIC). OPIC is a little-known Federal Government agency that encourages Americans to invest new capital into "emerging-market" businesses in "developing" countries where no sane investor would risk his own money. OPIC investments are now in 140 countries around the globe. And how does OPIC "encourage" these overseas investments in unstable, corrupt, totalitarian, faraway countries? By adding $2 in government-guaranteed notes, backed by the full faith and credit of the United States, for every dollar of private investment. OPIC funds are structured so that the multinational corporations will reap enormous gains if the investment turns out well, and U.S. taxpayers will cover the losses if they fail. OPIC fund managers get a fee of 2.5 percent of the fund's assets and 20 percent of the ultimate profits, which can run into the tens of millions. When Clinton took office, OPIC had only two funds with combined assets of $100 million. Today there are 26 OPIC funds with $4 billion. No wonder the globalists want to keep Clinton in power! They look upon his romping with Monica as petty stuff compared to the big bucks they have at stake. We've been given full disclosure about what goes on in the Oval office, but not about what goes on in OPIC's bank accounts. OPIC doesn't make its financial details public, even though it is a government agency. Whatever happened to Freedom of Information? Don't be under any illusion that we all have the same chance to get government guarantees for our own risky investments. The New York Times reveals what it calls "a disturbing relationship between OPIC and major Democratic Party donors, people who attended White House coffees or slept in the Lincoln Bedroom." Six funds valued at $585 million were approved in 1996 shortly after the sponsors of four of them had attended White House coffees. Paul Hendrie of the Center for Responsive Politics, a liberal research group, says that a large percentage of OPIC funds is going to "people with strong political connections or who made big contributions to Democrats in the last election." OPIC funds have committed $1.5 billion to Russia. Off-hand remarks by Robert Peyton, manager of Agribusiness Partners International, a $100 million OPIC fund with investments in seven Russian plants, reveal the racket. Peyton said, "If the
Re: [CTRL] Drudge Report
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-01-05 12:12:29 EST, you write: Since you admire Mr. Harding, would you please share with us some of the great man's accomplishments? What exactly did Warren do? How did President Harding revolutionize and transform American society? In 1999, do we speak of "the Harding vision" or "the Harding effect"? (Did he pull the nation out of a depression? Did he fight for the protection of the civil liberties of all Americans? Did he build a national highway system? Was he witty? wise? profound? Perhaps, we need a book devoted to him: "The Wit and Wisdom of President Warren Harding." But I don't mean to be unkind. He must have done something memorable. Or perhaps his special genius, like so many Republicans, was in the NOT-DOING. Regards, Wm Sounds a lot like Clinton except Clinton doesn't know how to definr the word "IS" and Clinton is a traitor. Seems to me I have asked these same questions about your King... Clinton... what has this low-life done that is so spectacular??? Still waiting for an answer from the Clintonites. But, I don't mean to be unkind... just truthful, I'm not like youe lying hero Clinton. No Regards, To those who can't "walk the walk" Bob Stokes DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] United States.... A Communist Nation?
-Caveat Lector- SNETNEWS Mailing List (sent to USCMike1's 8,500+ mailing list - please re-post to your own mailing list) Thanks to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for this post. Subj: Re: Young Communists League "bill of rights" Date: 99-01-03 15:57:42 EST From: FTUN In communist countries, the people are controlled with inflation, fear, lies, illusions, disease and amusememts. Aren't Americans controlled with inflation, fear, lies, illusions, disease and amusements? Credit is inflation. Taxes are illusions in a system the Fed said. "works only with credit" All ten planks of Marx's Communist Manifesto were enforced in USA by lawyers and by lawyer-judges long before we began the slaughter of six million human beings in Korea and in Vietnam who had harmed us none and posed no threat to us. 1. "Abolition of private property and the application of all rent to public purpose." The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management 2. "A heavy progressive or graduated income tax." misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State "income" taxes. We call it "paying your fair share". 3. "Abolition of all rights of inheritance." We call it Federal State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes. 4. "Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels." We call in government seizures, tax liens, Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process. 5. "Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly." We call it the Federal Reserve which is a credit/debt system nationally organized by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Insurance Corporation (FDIC). 6. "Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the State." We call it the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and Department of Transportation (DOT) mandated through the ICC act of 1887, the Commissions Act of 1934, The Interstate Commerce Commission established in 1938, The Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Communications Commission, and Executive orders 11490, 10999, as well State mandated driver's licenses and Department of Transportation regulations. 7. Centralized control over agriculture and industry." "Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. We call it corporate capacity, The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture. As well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Environmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations. 8. Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture. We call it the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal central bank has caused the need for a two "income" family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920's, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000. 9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country. We call it the Planning Reorganization act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136. 10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc. People are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, which train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education". - Send "subscribe snetnews " to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Posted by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths,
[CTRL] Grapevine Publications Jan 1999 Newsletter
-Caveat Lector- http://www.grapevinepublications.com Page one is shown below. Sorry - we will no longer be sending the entire newsletter via email - only page one. Government Is Here To Control You - Not to Serve You If you thought past issues of Network Newsletter were a threat to your hope of a happy and secure future - this one may change your mind. This issue contains information about looming events that most people would never have imagined could happen in the United States. While 98% of the population havent a clue, governments around the world are preparing for chaos. Forget the Y2K issue for one moment. Many people are fed-up with the apathy of the American people. Privacy issues, excessive regulations, over-taxation, immorality, greed, corrupt politicians, weak preachers, phony compassion, terrorism etc. have some groups and individuals tense and up-tight. Groups are fed up with the media and its propaganda and see the downward spiral America is headed if something isnt done - and soon. They are feeling a need to act. The few that realize this are getting prepared for a worse case scenario - citizens, law enforcement and governments alike. One quote I heard: "Its too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b*#%?*s." And Y2K will only add fuel to the fire. "If you are not part of the solution - you are part of the problem." Sadly, most people are so entrenched in their own self-interests that anything outside their sphere of understanding is never considered. Public education has successfully taught what to learn - not how to learn. Society is providing a dream without consideration of the consequences. Is America a principled nation of high standards? Watching the television, listening to the radio and reading the papers - I would say no. Who are the heroes? Politics sounds like pornography. Women no longer respect men - men never grow up and both are filled with resentments and confusion. The pretence of strength, expertise, salvation will fall - and social problems will intensify. If citizens are weak and without principle in the good times, what will they be like in bad times? Y2K - or any other disruption in society - will topple a society unable to defend its universal belief. The Ten Commandments used to be the American standard. But today America has none. Reality and truth has also lost definition. Anything goes. Feelings loom higher than truth - reality is anything you want it to be. Propaganda, stupid sitcoms, the drowning beat of popular music and sports have turned Americans into zombies. Let the good times roll! And who can we look to, but government, to maintain our lifestyle? To the masses, that have depended on government from daycare to Medicare, mommy government will always be there - but at the cost of their freedom - and yours. Countries, all over the globe, are about to see big government step in to solve different Y2K scenarios. It is no secret because the stories are found in Business Week, Associated Press, The Ottawa Citizen, and USA Today. Pages 4 - 8 may shock some into a truly frightening reality. Some of us have been sounding the alarm for years. The masses, however, will continue to scorn and scoff the reality of dictatorship coming to a neighborhood near you. Add to the horror of lost freedom a comparison of a similar struggle in Nazi Germany. I will likely generate some outrage from this comparison - but the parallels are shockingly real. See pages 9 and 10. Facing fear is the subject addressed on page 11. Not the fear of looming events but the fear of standing on principle. This piece was sent by a woman, written by a woman and men should read it and weep. In a moral society it wouldnt take a women to correct men - but todays American male is so wimpy and shallow that they lust for the leadership of women. Few men in America today could even hope to fill the shoes of America's founding fathers. I have included a few articles on Y2K for your information. See pages 2, 3, 13. Because I live and publish this newsletter from Idaho, I want to briefly address an article republished on page 5 - FBI Battles Terrorism In Northwest. This piece is total propaganda. Idaho is perceived to be a white supremacist, anti-government state simply because the media and one left-wing socialist (Bill Wassmuth) sensationalizes a small Aryan-Nation group as representing all of Idaho. Those of you who have read Network Newsletter know where I stand on this issue. Limited Constitutional government as the founding fathers established with freedom of association with whomever one desires so long as others constitutional rights are not violated has always been my position. This is also where Idaho stands. The feds are using the perception that Idaho is a racist/anti-government state as an excuse to move in and take control of the state. Idaho does not need federal help and
[CTRL] Treaty Executive Order 13107
-Caveat Lector- From world net daily, haven't had time to check it out yet. Joseph Farah Executive Order 13107 From where do our rights descend? The Bill of Rights? No. The Constitution? No. The Federal government? No. The United Nations? Certainly not. But, apparently, that's what Bill Clinton thinks. For earlier this month, Dec. 10 to be exact, he issued another one of his infamous executive orders -- this time on "the implementation of human rights treaties." In Executive Order 13107, Clinton sets up a new federal bureaucracy for the purpose of implementing U.N. treaties, whether ratified by the U.S. Senate or not. And that federal bureaucracy will implement the treaties on the U.N.'s terms. Sound like a deal? It gets worse. Though President Clinton said he issued the order to further his goal of promoting human rights around the world, it's important to understand exactly how the U.N. defines "human rights." That definition is offered in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which talks about the right to freedom of thought, conscience, religion, opinion, and expression. All good stuff, until you realize whom the ultimate authority is. Who is the sovereign that imparts such blessings upon the populace of the world? The answer to that question is stated unequivocally in article 29 of the U.N. document, which states: "These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations." That pretty much explains who the "massa" is and where the plantation boundaries end. What a stark contrast between the U.N. Declaration of Human Rights, and the founding documents of the United States of America. The Declaration of Independence and Constitution both make it clear that basic human rights are inalienable, meaning they descend from the ultimate Sovereign, the Creator, God. Therefore, no human authority, no government, no criminal, no individual can abrogate or abridge those rights. Remember, any right government can bestow upon a people, it can just as easily take away. This is a profound principle Americans have forgotten. The day they accept the principle that rights descend from government authority is the day they lose their freedoms. It's as simple as that. In effect, that is what Executive Order 13107 decrees. It's an attempt by Bill Clinton to persuade Americans that human rights descend not from God but from worldly government authorities -- with the ultimate authority represented by the United Nations. In other words, the U.N. believes people have the right to dissent, unless it's a dissent against the United Nations. It reminds me of the old Soviet model. There it was even more bluntly stated: "There can be no place for freedom of speech, press, and so on for the foes of socialism." Basically, the U.N. has rewritten that maxim: "There can be no place for freedom of speech, press, and so on for the foes of the United Nations." The U.N. practices what it preaches, too. In Bosnia, the U.N. forces have seized control of radio and TV stations broadcasting pro-Serbian news and propaganda. In fact, U.S. troops participated in those raids. How does one justify such actions under the U.S. Constitution, which explicitly recognizes the rights of all people -- not just Americans -- to speak their minds and express themselves freely? Welcome to the Brave New World of U.N. doublespeak. And President Clinton is dragging the U.S. deeper into this quagmire than has any other president in history. Not only does Executive Order 13107 promote an unworthy and dangerous goal, but the road to that objective, namely the executive order itself the way Bill Clinton has employed it, is a corrupt and unconstitutional process. Executive orders are supposed to be a presidential tool for running the executive branch of government. Clinton has used them freely during his terms in office to make policy affecting other branches of government, the states, and individuals. Now, with 13107, he's attempting to implement international treaties! Executive orders were never intended to be used as imperial orders. Once again, though, the only people with the authority to curb the misuse of executive orders are the members of Congress, who have 30 days from the issuance of an order to reject it by majority vote. Trouble is, they seldom bother to read them. And the press seldom bothers to cover them -- even when they represent sweeping new interpretations of human rights and compromises of U.S. national sovereignty. It's time for Congress not only to reject Executive Order 13107, but also to review, in the context of the ongoing impeachment process, all of President Clinton's more than 200 executive orders. In both substance and in intent, they represent one of the worst abuses of power in an administration characterized by abuse of power. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a
Re: [CTRL] Who said this? 3
-Caveat Lector- Correct, David Rockefeller 1991 in Baden-Baden Germany. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Time to End CEOs 5-Year NAFTA Party
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 98-12-24 18:15:40 EST, you write: The remaining manufacturing jobs are under severe pressure. While factory jobs in the United States pay, on average, more than $18 an hour, maquiladora workers in high-tech foreign plants in Mexico earn about a buck and a half an hour. Anyone know where they got this estimate... Since retiring from the USAF I've only recently been promoted to technician and I don't make near $18 an hour. They must have gotten the numbers from a union state, certainly not Colorado. Employers have made explicit use of the threat to move to Mexico to beat back union organizing efforts, as well as to deny demands for wage increases. Cornell researcher Kate Bronfenbrenner has documented a tripling of employer plant-closing threats during union organizing drives since NAFTAUs adoption. The company I worked for a few years ago (Digital) sent our hard disk drive manufacturing business to Malaysia lost a lot of money, cost of the building, cost of providing education (2 years college and unemployment benefits) for displaced workers, as well as losing the business ( they sold the hard disk and tape drive business, later sold out to Compaq... what little remained of the business). Too bad this doesn't happen to more businesses. Meanwhile, NAFTA has simultaneously failed to deliver the touted benefits for Mexico. In a kind of mutant industrialization, NAFTA has turned huge swaths of the country into a processor of goods for export to the United States. The nationwide export processing zone model has proved an abject failure. There are few linkages between the export factories and the rest of the economy. Small Mexican business has collapsed. WorkersU productivity is up 36 percent since NAFTA went into effect, but Mexican wages fell 29 percent between 1993 and 1997. The Corporations got what they wanted in Mexico... more work for less pay, but some people still don't believe we need unions... they certainly need unions in Mexico. Regards, Bob Stokes DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The impeachment of President Clinton
-Caveat Lector- Well said, but this Jerry Harp won't understand, neither will Prudy or the other Clintonites. He could nuke Ohmaha and they would still support him, even though I issued a challenge to them to tell me what he had done that was so "good" in his administration in the last six years... not even one "good" thing could be mentioned by them. It is hard for me to believe that some people still vote a straight ticket and don't vote for the best people. Maybe that's why we get the worst of the Democrats and Republicans. I wish we had a Constitutional party and could get rid of the Communists, Socialists and Fascist elements in government. Regards Merry Christmas! Bob Stokes DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The impeachment of President Clinton
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 98-12-20 04:56:34 EST, you write: when the nazis were on the board their big thing was their challenges; as though debate was like baseball or boxing or better yet allstar wrestling. i guess to them it was. right game wrong ballpark. i challenge you to quit challenging. you really sound like the nazis when you do that. are you one of those nazis who were on the board before? wary-eyed, sirhC I noticed you always take the Clinton side of things... well, if he's your boy I feel sorry for you. People who watch wrestling (overgrown steroid types in diapers) are probably people I don't want around me. I'm not a nazi you putz... are you one of the resident commies? Sick of the Commie Agendas, Bob Stokes DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Academic Siberia of Corporate Criminology
-Caveat Lector- See Kris' post "Tis the Season to be Homeless." Notice how welfare for individuals is being taken away, but "corporate welfare"... just keeps getting bigger. Traditionally the Republicans have been on the side of corporations while the Democrats have been "for the people." It was Clinton who took away the welfare from individuals... something the right wing has wanted for years. So... will it be the Republicans that thwart corporate welfare. The jails are full or people, but not corporations that commit crimes. Circus, Circus!!! Bob Stokes Forwarded Message: Subj:The Academic Siberia of Corporate Criminology Date: 98-12-18 17:50:36 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Weissman) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Multiple recipients of list CORP-FOCUS) Want to be a corporate criminologist? Prepare for the cold winds of academic Siberia. The American Society of Criminology held its 50th Annual Meeting recently in Washington, D.C. The program for the meeting lists 503 sessions. Fewer than ten of those sessions dealt in any way with issues of white-collar and corporate crime. Laureen Snider, a Professor of Sociology at Queen's University in Kingston, Ontario, Canada, attended the conference. She anticipated the dearth of papers on corporate crime. The title of her paper: "The Sociology of Corporate Crime: An Obituary." Snider's point: while corporate crime itself might be increasing around the globe, the study of corporate crime by academics has been declining rapidly over the years. If academics study in the field of white collar crime, they study not the crimes committed by corporations, but crimes against corporations -- the traditional white-collar crimes of theft, embezzlement and the like, plus newly defined white-collar crimes such as "theft of time." Instead of focusing on criminal pollution, or the manufacture of hazardous pharmaceuticals that kill, or illegal union-busting by major corporations, the few researchers studying white collar crime are looking at how employees steal from employers. "If, for example, you take too long on your coffee break, of if you surf the net when you 'should' be looking at something that is directly relevant to the employer's interest, you are guilty of the offense of theft of time," Snider says. "You are stealing the employer's money by taking their time." This focus fits well with a power structure that rewards ideas supportive of the corporate domination of society, while punishing those who would question that domination. Snider is one of the world's handful of corporate criminologists -- academics who focus primarily on the study of corporate crime. She is the author of Bad Business: Corporate Crime in Canada (Nelson, 1993 and is the editor, along with Frank Pearce, of Corporate Crime: Contemporary Debates (University of Toronto Press, 1995). Corporate criminologists like Snider tend to be found in out of the way places, like Kingston, Ontario, Canada, or Adelaide, Australia, or Scranton, Pennsylvania. For some reason, the big city major universities in the United States find it inconvenient to put up with a corporate criminologist. David Friedrichs is a corporate criminologist who has settled in at the University of Scranton in Scranton, Pennsylvania. There, he has written Trusted Criminals: White Collar Crime In Contemporary Society (Wadsworth Publishing, 1996), the most comprehensive text book on the subject. Corporate crime and violence inflicts far more damage on society than all street crime combined? So why are Snider and Friedrichs in the tiny minority of criminologists? Friedrichs says the reasons are complex, but one reason is that there is no broad-based social movement against corporate crime. Criminologist Jack Katz claimed that in the 1970s there was a social movement against white collar crime, but "that claim was a little overstated and perhaps premature," Friedrichs says. "There was a growth in activity, both in terms of media coverage and interest in environmental crime and federal prosecution," he told us recently. "But there was no broad-based popular social movement." Another reason is the fact that corporate crime is more complex and in some ways more difficult to understand than street crime. "Corporate crime is not as easily put into sound bites as, say, a brutal rape and murder," Friedrichs says. There are exceptions -- the Exxon Valdez oil spill, for example. But it is much more complex, frustrating and expensive to have reporters investigate and report on these kinds of activities than on street crime, he points out. "Silence of the Lambs, the movie about a serial killer, was a much more successful film than Wall Street, one of the few films that looked at white collar crime," Friedrichs says. "Serial killers cause dreadful harm to a limited number of people. But they do not represent a major threat to the society as a
Re: [CTRL] A Kinder, Gentler Lynch Mob
-Caveat Lector- trea*son (noun) [Middle English tresoun, from Old French traison, from Latin tradition-, traditio active of handing over, from tradere to hand over, betray -- more at TRAITOR] First appeared 13th Century 1 : the betrayal of a trust : TREACHERY 2 : the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance or to kill or personally injure the sovereign or the sovereign's family I included this definition so there would be no misunderstanding of what treason is. In the United States we have no King or Queen although many believe all citizens are sovereign. My take on this is that a traitor is someone who, by whatever means would overthrow our government and/or the Constitution (rules for our government) or injure Americans by his acts or deeds. Rather than reword and repost several articles and take up a lot of my time Just follow the link below and read my posts on the CTRL archives. If you count each action or inaction of President Clinton it adds up to much more than twenty counts and has nothing to do with MonicaGate which only serves to divert attention from the real reasons President Clinton should be impeached. A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa.exe?A1=ind9811bL=ctrlD=0H=0 O=AT=1#6"CTRL archives -- November 1998, week 2/A Mr. Turnstall wrote: The Family Leave Act was an excellent idea. Also, the Clinton administration attempt to get a national health insurance program going. We're the only industrialized nation without a national health insurance program for its citizens.. Those businesses which do provide coverage for their employees have to pick up the tab for the businesses which don't...look at the fast food service industry...and the retail sector. But, of course, that idea was squelched by the usual special interests who control our political process.. Here you are stating that he didn't get his programs passed by enacting them into law... he failed. While we may be the only industrialized nation without a national health plan We are also the only industrialized nation that hasn't succumbed entirely to socialism. I lived in Europe for five years and if you talk to the people in England they will tell you that it isn't all they thought it would be. Look at London newspapers and you will find the truth about socialized medicine, about people who die waiting in line for an organ transplant or who become severely disabled because their illness or injury was not an emergency (mostly due to infection). Mr Turnstall wrote: But perhaps President Clinton's greatest contribution during the past eight years has been his willingness to insure that some of the more draconian social measures of the Republican party were not signed into law. His policies have been moderate, for the most part... certainly, not liberal by any stretch of the imagination. But perhaps his greatest contribution has been just being theregiving the lunatic fringe and Nazis on the Far Right someone to hate. I wish you would have stated some of these "draconian social measures" so I would know exactly what you are talking about. "Lunatic fringe" what about him selling/giving technology to the Chinese... missles, telecommunications, super computers, encryption technology? Nazi, Far Right... China calls itself Communist which you seem to agree with (Communist/Socialist seem the same to me) kills their own people who want freedom... remember the Square in 1989? Or, what about the law that says a family may only have one child. The Chinese are not our buddies. Ever read the Communist Manifesto... they want to take over the world, that means the US also. Seems to me President Clinton has no defense, no measureable "good deeds" that anyone can enumerate. Regards, Bob Stokes DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Kinder, Gentler Lynch Mob
-Caveat Lector- Ladies first Prudy Can't you even come up with one item? At least you didn't spout that anti-Republican crap this time Come on THINK... surely there must be at least one thing you can invent! I have to go to work now, but I will post at least five items after work... then maybe you can post five, but I doubt it. Regards, Bob Stokes DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Kinder, Gentler Lynch Mob
-Caveat Lector- Congress, not citizens are allowed to impeach a President. Bush got away with it. Clinton should not, and we need to ensure that Bush's sons do not get in office, although I think Jr. is already destined for that post. Regards, Bob Stokes DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Kinder, Gentler Lynch Mob
-Caveat Lector- Prudy, and other Clinton supporters on this list Can you name at least ten things that Clinton did that are/were good for the country. I can state at least twenty treasonous acts by him. Will any of you take the challenge, or will you just keep on spouting your anti-Republican propaganda with no support what-so-ever for the Criminal-In-Chief??? Regards, Bob Stokes Educate me on the wonderful things Clinton has done for this country other than being a Democratic President... DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Kinder, Gentler Lynch Mob
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 98-12-17 13:49:37 EST, you write: i will take your challenge if you could name one thing the republicrats have not done in persuit of their goal of enslaving the human race and wrecking the planet. does anyone know if his spout is still going? sirhC Just as I thought, you can't name anything he's done for the United States. Your position has no reasons to support Clinton other than he is a Democrat. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Kinder, Gentler Lynch Mob
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 98-12-16 18:42:10 EST, you write: The electorate IS being educated at this time. Sex education comes first, and Ken Starr is providing that. The rest of the education comes later. Prudy Yes, we see now that there is no difference between d's and r's. Bush had a War for his interests in oil, and Clinton is having a War to draw attention away from the impeachment. Seems the bombing of Sudan didn't do it, so he has resorted to bigger targets. Why not North Korea... they did fire a missle across Japan, aren't they more of a threat than Iraq which hasn't recovered from the Gulf War? So now, Clintonites does this make him eligible for impeachment? The timing of the "Kinder, Gentler" article could not have been better, or worse for the Clintonites. Not only that, but did you notice it was only anti- Republican propaganda, not a word about the "good work" of Clinton. Just what has Clinton done to deserve such an ardent following? Can anyone post ten "good" things Clinton has done since he has been in office? Regards, Bob Stokes P.S. ~ I see his program worked, they have put off the vote on impeachment till Monday. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Heads Up: Bill Clinton Is Finished
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 98-12-15 18:21:39 EST, Che writes: I brought up Bu sh Rea gan to emphasize the similarities between the Republocrats Demicans. They all eat from the same dog dish. The purpose is not to distract but to point out that C1inton is part of a continuing pattern of abuse of pres idential power. Can't really argue with that. Che writes: Seems to me that he's somewhere to the right of Nixon. Right...Left... Both Statist for sure, the line between right and left is somewhat unclear to me. I say left because Clinton gave away parks and rivers to the United Nations and I consider them left. He sold/gave missle guidance systems to the Chinese which are Communist, the same for super computers and cryptographic know-how and equipment. Che writes: If you would just turn on your TV on a Sunday morning, or MSNBC just about any time (all Monica...all the time), you might change your tune. The few voices supportive of C1inton will be drowned out by those hurling bile invective at him. All I've heard about is the (all Monica...all the time) which has little to do with the serious crimes (treason) which Clinton is getting away with. Che writes: Did you ever read the "Pressgate" article in the 1st issue of Brill's Content? It was very critical of the trial by press leaks that Ken 5tarr has conducted. In an interview 5tarr virtually admits to the leaks (in violation of Rule 6E), giving the justification that they were necessary to counterspin information from the Wh1te H0use. Brill is also critical of the inability of the press to "bite the hand that feeds it" by questioning the legality of these leaks. He also criticized how the press replaced reportage of facts with speculation and conjecture by so-called "experts". In conclusion, the article is fairly damning of the press for failing to execute their duties as impartial reporters of fact. Even before the article was published, the media attacks began. Brill was painted as a C1inton stooge for a contribution he gave to the '92 campaign (none in '96). I did not see anyone in the mainstream media even address Brill's criticisms - they were too busy slurring him, questioning his accuracy, and deflecting the discussion to unrelated matters. It was all so consistent it seemed orchestrated. Very supportive of the articles you posted on the lack of an independent press. I haven't read the Brill report, but I did read about Starr leaking items to the press. I also read some articles about the White House leaking items to the press to make Starr look bad. Who did what? Probably both are true and as far as I'm concerned if Starr broke the law, then he should also be prosecuted, but I'm not sure that rule 6E is a law or a guide line... at the very least toss him as a special prosecuter and put someone in there that will investigate the more serious crimes... not that to lie under oath is not serious. Che writes: Now, you may see this as just sour grapes on their part, but there's more to it than that. The power elites definitely felt threatened by this article, and trained their media guns on Brill to discredit him. If the media was really "support[ing] C1inton all the time", then they would have fallen all over themselves to dig deeper into the questions Brill raised about 5tarr's office. By no stretch of the imagination can their attacks on Brill be construed as being supportive of C1inton. An important point to remember is that an attack on 5tarr does not necessarily indicate support of C1inton. Some of us who consider C1inton to be guilty of something think that the letter of the law should be followed, and that the O I C represents a threat to what little democracy we have left. The ends DO NOT justify the means. I really need to look close at this Brill report. You are right that the law should be followed in the impeachment proceedings, otherwise it will just be thrown out later on. As for Democracy... we are supposed to be a Republic. At 03:21 PM 12/13/98 -0800, nurev wrote: High crimes, treason, bribery. C1inton has committed all of these. The problem is that the rest of the more powerful politicians have done the same. What you are witnessing is an attempted coup by the right wing. They want to throw C1inton off the apple cart without tipping over the apple cart. Sit back with this in mind and watch how it's done. It's been done before. The 1ran/C0ntra hearings are the blueprint for what happens next. The real crimes will be avoided. The minor issues will be exagerated, and they will get C1inton out or cripple him severely enough to render him useless. UNLESS THINGS GET OUT OF CONTROL IN THE SEN ATE. This is the best we have to hope for as citizens. That they will hate each other enough to do each other real damage in the eyes of the voters, hopefully ending in some seriously needed reforms. This is essentially my take on the situation as well.
Re: [CTRL] Heads Up: Bill Clinton Is Finished
-Caveat Lector- Why is it that every time something is posted about Commie Lover Clinton all we hear about is Bush and Reagan. Seems to be a conspiracy to keep any topic off Clinton and some people on this list said they were "conservative." Clinton is as far to the left as anyone can get without being called "Comrade." "IF" the media is owned by the Republicans why does it support Clinton all the time? Reagan and Bush have nothing to do with a discussion about Clinton, they were not subject to impeachment no matter what you say... Clinton is. The "press" has been against free speech and truth since before I was born and probably a lot longer and I'm approaching the half century mark. As for the last Honorable President... Regards, Bob Stokes "We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promise of discretion for almost forty years ... It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries" - David Rockefeller, in an address given to Catherine Graham, publisher of The Washington Post and other media luminaries in attendance in Baden Baden, Germany at the June 1991 annual meeting of the world elite Bilderberg Group "There is no such thing, at this date of the world's history in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it. There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the street looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone. The business of the journalist is to destroy the truth; to lie outright; to pervert; to vilify; to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it and what folly is this toasting an independent press? We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities, and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes" - John Swinton, former chief of staff, The New York Times, in a 1953 speech before the New York Press Club "We are going to impose our agenda on the coverage by dealing with issues and subjects that we choose to deal with" - Richard M. Cohen, former Senior Producer of CBS political news "Our job is to give people not what they want, but what we decide they ought to have" - Richard Salant, former President of CBS News "The real truth of the matter is, and you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson. History depicts Andrew Jackson as the last truly honorable and incorruptible American president" - President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, November 23, 1933 in a letter to Colonel Edward Mandell House DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Heads Up Bill Clinton Is Finished
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 98-12-14 14:37:53 EST, you write: I have not posted anything pro-Clinton. His sell-out to the Chinese was more than a crime against the US, it was one against the world. The threat of the military satellite hardware he sold to the Chinese for the sake of donations to the Democrats apparently was the real reason behind India's nuclear blasts. It does, however, fall into the category of the October Surprise, where traitorous Reagan made a deal with enemy Iran in order to steal the election from Carter. We know he did it, but we can't prove it, and he will never be held accountable for it. He even repeated the pattern with Iran-contra and yet people still regard him as honorable. I have often thought that since Reagan was so incompetent and merely a mouthpiece, that Bush was running the Presidency even while Ronnie was in office. Clinton has been up front in acknowledging that presidential power does not come from the Constitution but from secret ruling elites, who work for transnational corporate interests. This is the basic premise of Carroll Quigley's Tragedy and Hope, and Clinton regarded Quigley as his mentor at Georgetown, quoted him at the Democratic con. Secret elites and corporatism have not ordinarily been defined as the "left." Corporatism I would define as very right wing, but I'm not sure how to define the secret elites. I would also add that banking also plays a big part in the secret government. As for Q... "The CFR [Council On Foreign Relations, New York City] is the American Branch of a society which originated in England and believes national directives should be obliterated and one-world rule established. I know of the operations of this network because I have studied it for twenty years, and was permitted in the early 1960's to examine its papers and secret records ... I believe its role in history is significant enough to be known" - Dr. Carroll Quigley, Professor of International Relations, Georgetown University Foreign Service School, Washington, D.C., author of the epic "Tragedy Hope", advocate of one-world government and personal mentor of President William Clinton (who acknowledged Professor Quigley during his 1992 presidential inauguration speech) I'm with you on this, Bob. Impeach the son of a bitch. In fact, as Christopher Hitchens (a "leftist") says, cuff him and take him downtown. But it's not gonna happen. Clinton has the same protection as his pals Reagan and Bush. To bad we can't just oust the bunch of them and start over. Impeachment could get through the House, but not the Senate... we have no leadership in either. Bush may have talked about the NWO, but Clinton is ushering it in with a red carpet, our money, and soon our blood. All at the behest of Bush, who Clinton covered up for at Mena, whose sons now run Texas and Florida, whose oil American blood will be shed over. That's not just talk. It may go farther than that. I think George Jr. will be the next President and if he is anything like his Dad or Grandfather... we'll be up to our necks in trouble. Excellent Thinking, Regards, Bob Stokes/PRE/HTML DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Heads Up: Bill Clinton Is Finished
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 98-12-13 04:36:15 EST, you write: At 08:36 PM 12/12/98 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that's an interesting observation. The media have been defending and covering for the current president since before his first election. For years prior to that they have consistently espoused a left-wing agenda. ..Are you suggesting that all of this is some sort of reverse pyschology? zeus8 wrote: That would explain the big stink raised by the so-called "liberal media" when Brill's Content printed their "Pressgate" story. You'd think Steven Brill was an enemy of the Rupublic for daring to question the media's cozy relationship w/ Ken Starr. Wake up kids, the mainstream media is about as liberal as Ronald Reagan. Do you actually think the press is "right wing?" You think the media is in bed with Ken Starr? Starr and Clinton are buddies, Starr is saving Clinton's butt by not bringing up charges of treason for accepting bribes from the Red Chinese in the form of campaign donations. Clinton has given the Red Chinese full access to nearly anything they want except nuclear weapons. These are the charges Clinton should have to be dealing with, not the "smoke and mirrors" of sexual deviancy zeus8 wrote: If you don't believe the polls, try crawling out of your troll cave sometime and asking your fellow citizens how they feel about the subject. Being social isn't that difficult, in fact I consider it to be and important part of citizenship. I've had trouble finding anyone, even a registered Republican, that is for impeachment (A caveat - I'm from Oregon; Republicans are a little different here). I've taken many a straw poll at work (work, from people that work, not manage, but perform the work that makes the managers rich) and two out of thirty-seven were not for impeachment. Could be that people who work, don't like Clinton... why would anyone respect a President who doesn't know the meaning of the word "is." zeus8 wrote: I had an interesting conversation w/ some coworkers at the company Christmas party tonite. First there was a discussion about how Clinton's sexual peccadillos were nothing compared to Bush's involvement in the both the SL Iran/Contra scandals. Then we discussed Bush's ties w/ C I A drug running. A coworker and his wife from Texas acted like the Bush/C I A/drug connection was common knowledge. I can hardly characterize them as being a part of "the ignorant masses". Talk about comparing apples and oranges! Compare Clinton, not using the media dominated crap about sex, but the real issues such as Chinagate, Whitewater, UN parks, UN historical rivers, Africa bombings and the Sudan bombings, Clinton and drug connections in Mena and deaths surrounding him, the list goes on and on. Compare Clinton and Bush this way and you'll find they are the same... just no one had the balls to take on Bush. zeus8 wrote: The irony is that Carter is probably the last honorable man that will serve as president (honorable relative to other presidents, that is, I know about Jimmy's dirty laundry). It's hard to find anyone that thinks he was a good president (myself included), yet he is to this day a decent human being. You'll never find George Bush swinging a hammer to build a house for a poor person. Don't remember seeing Clinton swinging a hammer either. In your reply to Jyester you only seem to address the fact that Bush was not a good President rather than stick to the subject at hand "Clinton." I guess that is easier than defending Clinton, since he has no defense. zeus8 wrote: No, it's the devolution into political gridlock via unlawful abuse of the independent council statutes and other laws. It's the dissolution of the carefully placed balances of power in our Constitution. It's the end of democracy as we know it. From now on, if Congress doesn't like what the Executive or Judicial branches are doing, then they can just tie them up w/ an "independent council". The distraction will easily drown out any meaningful public discourse about things that really matter to you or me. From the Constitution, Article II, Section 4: The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors. Impeachment of the President is one of the checks and balances of the Constitution. zeus8 wrote: I do not for a minute think Clinton is an innocent choirboy. But I'd prefer that he be given the benefit of the protections afforded by our Constitution and the laws of the land. Otherwise, it might be me they're coming for next time w/ their illegal wiretaps, their illegal press leaks, their illegal detention without legal representation, and their overzealous interpretation of the Constitution. If it were you or me who was being brought up on these charges we would be imprisoned,
[CTRL] Clinton Poll from AOL
-Caveat Lector- Sunday 6:00 AM 13 Dec 1998 The Judiciary Committee rejected the Democrats' censure resolution. Do you think the full House should have the chance to consider a censure resolution as an alternative to impeachment? Yes, it is an alternative that Congress should consider 4538 35.2% No, censure is not a constitutional option7884 61.2% Not sure 458 3.6% Total votes: 12880 Do you think the American people understand and care more about impeachment now that the Judiciary Committee has recommended impeaching the president? Yes7006 54.5% No 4419 34.4% Not sure 1427 11.1% Total votes: 12852 Is impeachment of the president in-step with or out-of-step with the wishes of the American people? In-step, Americans want impeachment 6987 55.4% Out-of-step, Americans don't want impeachment5636 44.6% Total votes: 12623 As the full House prepares to vote on impeachment next week, do you plan to let your representative know your opinion on the vote? Yes, by paper mail 491 3.8% Yes, by e-mail 7544 58.7% Yes, by fax 296 2.3% Yes, by phone 1339 10.4% No 1849 14.4% Not sure 1339 10.4% Total votes: 12858 If you disagreed with your representative's vote on impeachment, would you hold it against him/her in the next election? Yes 9415 73.3% No 2251 17.5% Not sure 1179 9.2% Total votes: 12845 Should the president resign to spare the country from impeachment proceedings or a trial in the Senate? Yes 8023 62.3% No 4445 34.5% Not sure 403 3.1% Total votes: 12871 Do you think that President Clinton will make a public statement next week where he admits to lying--either to the public or the grand jury--about his relationship with Monica Lewinsky? Yes, he will finally realize it is the right thing to do356 2.8% Yes, the political pressure will force him to do so 156112.3% No, his attorneys won't permit him to put himself in more legal jeopardy 404631.8% No, it's not in his nature 553343.5% Not sure1229 9.7% Total votes: 12725 If the House votes to impeach, the stock markets will not react--they have already anticipated such an event 4976 38.8% shudder and drop about 200 points 2477 19.3% plummet by more than 200 points 2611 20.4% Not sure 2756 21.5% Total votes: 12820 Should lawmakers consider the market reaction when they weigh whether to impeach the president? yes--we all have a stake in the political and financial outcome2846 22.3% no--they should do their job as outlined by the Constitution 9918 77.7% Total votes: 12764 What should the Congress do to President Clinton? The House should impeach him, and the Senate should remove him from office 7687 59.6% The House should impeach him, and the matter should end there624 4.8% The Congress should censure him 1737 13.5% He has suffered enough, the matter should end1392 10.8% The Congress should censure him503 3.9% He has suffered enough, the matter should end 779 6.0% Not sure 174 1.3% Total votes: 12896 I am Male8569 67.0% Female4218 33.0% Total votes: 12787 I am a registered Republican5127 40.3% Democrat3220 25.3% Independent 3632 28.6% I am not a registered voter 7295.7% Total votes: 12708 My age is under 18 209 1.6% 18-29 1120 8.7% 30-39 2625 20.4% 40-49 3863 30.1% 50-59 2810
[CTRL] HIGH NOON
-Caveat Lector- Forwarded Message: Subj:SNET: HIGH NOON Date: 98-12-13 08:01:43 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Sterling) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - SNETNEWS Mailing List From: Sandi Brockway / Macrocosm USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] HIGH NOON In the 1950s classic western about honor and conformity, fear and courage, Marshal Gary Cooper faces a murderous gang of killers all by himself while a town, paralyzed by fear, does nothing to help. Cooper risks not only his life but the love of Grace Kelly and does what honor, and a higher moral compass require of him. The spineless town, which had hired him to do for them what they would not do for themselves, vacillates, cringes and waffles. Cooper, terrified and abandoned, faces the gunmen alone. At the end of the movie the killers are dead but there is no resolution. The only thing that remains is an empty street awaiting the next group of bandits. There is no Marshal, no hero, no martyr. He has left in disgust, happily for him, with Grace by his side, his badge lying in the dust. There is nothing there worthy of sacrifice. The San Jose Mercury News reported, on November 22, that hearings in the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI) will take place sometime in mid to late January on Volume II of the CIA Inspector General's report on Contra drug trafficking. The Mercury calls the pending hearings, Congress' "final look" at the issue. With those hearings every issue raised by Gary Webb's stories and all the efforts of many men and women, for decades, will be laid to rest. There will be no more chances in our lifetimes. The matter will be officially closed. I offer you two scenarios. Scenario One: Moved by a massive outcry from the public and enormous pressure on the news media, HPSCI holds well publicized hearings, with advance publicity, and calls Gary Webb, Cele Castillo, Mike Levine, Mike Ruppert, Dee Ferdinand, Danillo Blandon, Oliver North, John Poindexter, Robert Gates, Alan Fiers and a dozen others as witnesses. The hearings result in a massive public outcry and Congress, faced with overwhelming evidence of CIA wrongdoing, condemns the Agency and opens the door for reparations, abolition of CIA, and long overdue reforms in our criminal justice system. Scenario Two: Due to the fact that no public interest was expressed, HPSCI holds sudden hearings, which are covered only by C-SPAN with no notice. The witness list is short and limited only to Fred Hitz, George Tenet and Maxine Waters. The major media does not cover the hearings live and brief spots on the evening news report only that CIA was sloppy and received a minor wrist-slapping for its association with drug dealers during the Contra war years. Vague recommendations are made that the CIA undertake a review of its procedures with no time-specific period for completion. The matter is closed. As CIA apologist David Korn of The Nation has predicted - "CIA gets away with it." The bandits all head for the saloon to get more whiskey, women and song. The town is doomed. Each citizen returns to hoping that someone else will be the next victim. There's a time for reading, for learning, and for waiting. There's also a time for doing. The scenario, which plays out in January, is entirely up to you. Make no mistake about the stakes. As reported by Alex Cockburn in his book Whiteout, New York Times reporter Keith Schneider wrote in 1987 that, "such a story could shatter the Republic." If you believe that life cannot exist without the Republic then do nothing. If you believe that life rests on something more fundamental and pure then get off your behind and do something - now. CIA is still dealing drugs and if they are not challenged then the saloon door, the entire town and you are standing wide open. With what has been revealed in Volume II we will never have a chance like this again. Throw Your Weight Around! FROM THE GOVERNMENT WE WANT: 1. Disqualification of retired CIA covert operative J. Porter Goss as Chairman of the House Permanent Select committee on Intelligence before any hearings on grounds of conflict of interest. 2. Adequate public notice in advance of the hearings so that the press may cover them. 3. Testimony from all relevant witnesses including Celerino Castillo, Mike Levine, Rick Horn, Mike Ruppert, Bob Parry and Gary Webb. GOVERNMENT CONTACTS THE WHITE HOUSE President William Clinton, 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., Washington, D.C. 20500. 202-456-1414 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES The Hon. Bob Livingston, 2406 Rayburn, Washington, D.C. 20515, 202-225-3015 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] HOUSE PERMANENT SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE Rm H-405, US Capitol, Wash., D.C. 20515 Phone 202-225-4121. FAX 202-225-1991 SENATE SELECT COMMITTEE ON
Re: [CTRL] Apples and Oranges: REDEFINING Capitalism
-Caveat Lector- MJ wrote: A totalitarian state thrives on propaganda, and there is no more effective way to limit thought than to control the language itself. By changing definitions of words through continual association, any serious discussion involving the concepts that the words represents becomes hopelessly muddled. The words 'democracy', 'hate' and 'racism' immediately comes to mind. -- Thomas Sowell This, I believe to be true, but I also think that Facism, hate and racism also go together. Laissez faire capitalism means the complete separation of economy and state, just like the separation of church and state. Capitalism is the social system based upon private ownership of the means of production which entails a completely uncontrolled and unregulated economy where all land is privately owned. But the separation of the state and the economy is not a primary, it is only an aspect of the premise that capitalism is based upon: individual rights. Capitalism is the only politico-economic system based on the doctrine of individual rights. This means that capitalism recognizes that each and every person is the owner of his own life, and has the right to live his life in any manner he chooses as long as he does not violate the rights of others. Our country would be better off if we had a capatalist system such as this, but as you stated before... words change through constant association. Capitalism now is the subjugation of the poor by the rich in reality, mostly through the granting of charters to corporations. Corporations are not formed for the public good as they were supposed to be, but are formed to make the rich even richer through manipulating government laws. The essential nature of capitalism is social harmony through the pursuit of self-interest. Under capitalism, the individual's pursuit of his own economic self-interest simultaneously benefits the economic self-interests of all others. In allowing each individual to act unhampered by government regulations, capitalism causes wealth to be created in the most efficient manner possible which ultimately raises the standard of living, increases the economic opportunities, and makes available an ever growing supply of products for everyone. From what I have seen in my lifetime, capitalism mostly raises the standard of living for those who already have a high standard of living, and there is very little "trickle down" to the common person who does the labor in the rich man's factory. An "ever growing" supply of products does no good for someone who cannot afford to buy them. If the business owners did share the wealth with the workers, that would be equitable, but I think, unrealistic by what I've seen so far. The free-market operates in such a way so that as one man creates more wealth for himself, he simultaneously creates more wealth for everyone, which means that as the rich become richer, the poor become richer too. It must be understood that capitalism serves the economic self-interests of all, including the non-capitalists. Could you explain in more detail how a man who creates more wealth for himself will simultaneously create more wealth for everyone? (Not trying to be sarcastic, just interested in your theory) Contrary to widely held beliefs, capitalism is not a system which exploits a large portion of society for the sake of a small minority of wealthy capitalists. Unfortunately that is just what this system is doing right now. I see that it is also not a pure capitalist system, an element of socialism is there... in a big way. Ironically, it is actually socialism that causes the systematic exploitation of labor. Since the socialist state holds a universal monopoly on labor and production, no economic incentive exists for the socialist state to provide anything more than minimum physical subsistence for the workers except to perhaps prevent riots or revolutions. This may depend on the leaders of such a system. If they/he/she want to be popular and stay in office (provided it is an elected office) it would be in their/her/his best interest to increase production, make the business more productive, pay more wages to the workers. Actually I can see no reason why the leader would not want everyone to be well off finacially, nothing to lose and everything to gain. Exploitation is inherent to the nature of socialism because individuals cannot exist for their own sake, rather, they exist merely as means to whatever ends the socialist rulers -- the self-proclaimed spokesman of "society," may have in mind. This could very well be the case if the rulers were not elected. Capitalism undoubtedly has certain boils and blotches upon it, but has it as many as government? Has it as many as marriage? Has it as many as religion? I doubt it. It is the only basic institution of modern man that shows any genuine health and vigor. -- H. L. Menken Government
