Re: [CTRL] Say NO to Free Trade Agreements with Chile and Singapore! - The John Birch Society Alert List (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Be sure to forward this email alert to your friends and others who are concerned about the loss of American jobs and national sovereignty. In any union of your country and mine (and mexico) sovereignty is a moot point. The former USA would exert it's hedgemony over the rest of us anyway always has, always will. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] France Bashers Ignorant of American History
-Caveat Lector- Oddly enough, I don't remember any America bashing between Sept '39 (hilter invades poland)and 12/7/41 (pearl harbor) when the french were in need of a friend. I guess I missed that newsreel. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] hello, new girl, anyone else getting viruses around here?
Title: Message -Caveat Lector- Not I... but if you happen to be on winmx downloading Noam Chomsky Manufacturing Consent VCD 1/3 (500 or so megs) watch out my antivirus blocked it out.(forget which virus)...3/3is clean... - Original Message - From: Rowena Thursby To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] hello, new girl, anyone else getting viruses around here? -Caveat Lector- Hello I'm new to this list. Have been having virus trouble since I joined. Wondered if anyone else is getting it? After 2 years of no viruses I am now getting about one a day - always the same title - "WORM_KLEZ.H" but different e-mail titles (the one today had my name - re:rowenathursby,so cool a flash, enjoy). My PC-Cillin anti-virus programme alerts me each time and I delete, but this is a pain I could do without. Anyone else getting this? I like Icke's first books - And the Truth Shall set you free - is one I often refer to. What makes people think he's spreading disinformation? I know he's off-beam with the reptilian stuff but in the beginning, a lot of what he wrote seemed pretty sound to me,with the proviso thateverything you read needs corroboration. Rowena (UK) - Original Message - From: Ole Gerstrm To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 7:47 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Was Hitler A Rothschild? -Caveat Lector- Dear Zuukie, David Icke is a thorough researcher. He has guts. His productionis a breakthrough of magnitude.In your long ranting, you have not proven one word wrong in his writings. Yours, Ole Gerstrom - Original Message - From: Zuukie To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 2:44 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Was Hitler A Rothschild? -Caveat Lector- Caveat Lector sure fits anything coming out of a Icke site. It's obvious that no scholar is ever going to take the time to challenge that basket of bullshit because it's only disinformation served up for obvious deflecting purposes. There are only a limited number of people who care about what is going on in the cultural change. A certain number of newbies in this group will look atthe Icke material and assume that he has gone into depth with his research. That frees them from the responsibility of analyzing things on their own, that being the assumption that they can never find out more than Icke has already told them. It's in good hands, they feel, if it is in Icke's hands. Icke's books and tapes sell well in the New Age and Afrocentric bookstores. They emotionally support the "What have they done to me lately?" New Age, Afrocentric, and militia crowd who are too lazy to do any searches on their own, thinking that since they've found Icke's material that's all they need to do, and this is more than their neighbors have done. More important than Icke's rantings is finding out who is behind Icke and why they are using shovels to present their material? Come on Shannon. Tell us who is behind Icke and his disinformation promotion. -Original Message-TFrom: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William ShannonSent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 5:35 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [CTRL] Was Hitler A Rothschild?-Caveat Lector- http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles/hitler.html WAS HITLER A ROTHSCHILD?by David Icke Official history is merely a veil to hide the truth of what really happened. When the veil is lifted, again and again we see that not only is the official version not true, it is often 100% wrong. Take the Rothschilds, the bloodline formerly known, among other names, as the Bauers, one of the most notorious black occult bloodlines of Middle Ages Germany. It became known as Rothschild (red-shield or rotes-schild in German) in the 18th century when a financial dynasty was founded in Frankfurt by Mayer Amschel Rothschild working in league with the Illuminati House of Hesse and others. They took their name from the red shield or hexagram/Star of David on the front of their house in Frankfurt. The Star of David or Seal of Solomon is an ancient esoteric symbol and only became associated with Jewish people after the Rothschilds adopted it for themselves. It has absolutely no connection to "David" or "Solomon", as Jewish historical sources confirm. The Rothschilds are one of the top Illuminati bloodlines on the planet and they are
Re: [CTRL] Bush invites MORE Violence Against Our Troops
-Caveat Lector- So what's the best solution? Bring your boys home. or keep stealing oil and denying Iraqi's a "2nd amendment" while the Idiot-in-Chief keeps his mouth shut?...this whole cowboy act is getting old and is KILLING our troops. What a nitwit. Bill www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Money? It's not what you think it is ---Griffen produced a good film about it.
-Caveat Lector- A film was produced by Mr Griffen named Capitalist Conspiracy on this very subject. It's an excellent video.it's also available off my website to download. If anyone wants a copy of it, please write me an email. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Due to the fact that this movie is NOT public domain, and is only offered under a tyranny fighting "fair use" policy, I wont post the link to the movie so that it can be reposted far and wide across the net. On another notelast time I replied to this list, I was pretty drunk, rude and very anti-american that day. My apologies for that tirade. Ctrl www.control-alt-delete.ca - Original Message - From: William Shannon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 6:51 PM Subject: [CTRL] Money? It's not what you think it is -Caveat Lector- http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20030602.htmFrom the June 2003 Idaho Observer: Money? It's not what you think it is. There is nothing so revered, yet so misunderstood as the subject of money. Most adults spend half their waking hours laboring to acquire it. Many people measure a person's standing in society by how much money they have. And nearly everything in our modern world is measured by its monetary value. But how many people have a clue what money is? Where it comes from? What gives it value? The history of money? And what value would our modern money have if everyone knew what it really was? Pull out a dollar bill, look at it, and ask yourself, How did this get here? What gives it value? Do you know what makes money, money? by Hari Heath In the Beginning Before money, there was barter. One thing traded for another thing. This only works if both traders want the other's thing. Otherwise, no trade. By having a commonly accepted third medium of exchange, expanded commerce became possible. Coins, drilled shells, beads and animal skins were among the early forms of money. In the early forms of money, value came from the rarity of the material or the labor to produce it. So how did that paper dollar in your hand become money? An excellent answer is found in G. Edward Griffin's 600+ page book, The Creature from Jekyll Island. This highly illuminating and educational study on money covers the history of money, banking, wars and the political shenanigans behind the money powers. But we don't have 600 pages here to answer every detail of that question. The short history is that coins made of precious metals became the favored medium of exchange since at least the Roman times. The word money comes from the word Moneta, an epithet for the Roman goddess Juno. A temple to this goddess, who was considered the guardian of the Roman treasury, was converted into a mint, according to James Ewart in his book, Money -- Ye shall have honest weights and measures. The Romans began to call this temple The Moneta and later used the name for other places where coins were made. Moneta evolved over the years to an abbreviated mone or monet. The older English spelling of monie eventually became money. From Roman times through Medieval Europe there was a proliferation of coinage and various ways to debauch the coins by lightening their weight, plating or alloying with less valuable metals. But the ultimate debauchery came from the Goldsmiths in the 1200s who discovered the dirty scheme of fractional reserve holdings. The Goldsmiths issued paper receipts for gold they held in storage for their customers. The receipts came to be used as money since they could be returned to the Goldsmith for the gold held in storage. The Goldsmiths discovered that, since not everyone wanted their gold at once, they could issue more receipts than they had gold and create wealth for themselves out of thin air, or more accurately, paper and ink. This little experiment has been tried over and over again ever since. It forms the basis for the banking industry and has repeatedly led to the same inescapable result -- financial collapse caused by unfettered greed. What is Money? Money in the pure sense of the word, can only mean coins, not paper currency. Congress was only given the power in the Constitution to coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin. The Constitution does not authorize Congress to issue currency or create a central bank. Constitutionally, only coins can be money. Ewart makes another clear distinction. Money is not something to be used as a medium of exchange, money is a medium of exchange. Money doesn't represent value, like a note, it is something with intrinsic value like a coin. But all of these otherwise correct definitions do not correlate with our modern misguided notions of money. Do you have coins in your bank account? When you write a check to someone can they cash it for the face value in gold or silver
Re: [CTRL] MRC Web News - Our Latest Analysis (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Just a thought from a Canadian... I pledge Allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands, one Nation under God,indivisible,with liberty and justice for all. Why not pledge to the DOCUMENT(s) (to wit: declaration OF independence constitution) upon which the US was founded. The flag means shitinfact. most of your flags don't even meet US LAW TITLE 4 section(s) 2, 3 inter alia. No wonder you Americans let your country slip away. Nation of fucking idiots. Ctrl - Original Message - From: William Bacon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 4:37 PM Subject: [CTRL] MRC Web News - Our Latest Analysis (fwd) -Caveat Lector- I pledge Allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands, one Nation under God,indivisible,with liberty and justice for all. visit my web site at http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon My ICQ# is 79071904 for a precise list of the powers of the Federal Government linkto: http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon/Enumerated.html -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 13:36:29 -0700 From: Media Research Center IS Staff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: MRC Web News - Our Latest Analysis [mrcgoldlogo.gif] Media Research Center America's Media Watchdog Bringing Political Balance and Responsibility to the Media MRC Web News: Our Latest Analysis June 9, 2003 .Daily updates on MRC's latest analysis Today's CyberAlert: http://www.mediaresearch.org/cyberalerts/2003/cyb20030609.asp 1. Walters Delivers Hillary Book Infomercial, Paints Her as Victim In Sunday's Barbara Walters special promoting Hillary Clinton's new book, Walters did little more than deliver an hour-long infomercial for the book as she cued up items in the tome for Hillary to comment on, book-ended with plugs for a presidential bid. For Walters, bad things just seemed to happen to an innocent Hillary Clinton whom Walters repeatedly saw as a victim: You made investments in the commodities markets, you dealt in real estate -- Whitewater, you worked for the Rose law firm, all of which at the time you thought were very innocent. All these things came back to haunt you. Walters concluded the hour by fancifully speculating on the possibility of a President Hillary Clinton and First Husband Bill Clinton. 2. ABC Highlights Hillary's Pain Over Bush Ruining the Economy Minutes before ABC's infomercial for Hillary Clinton's book aired in the EDT and CDT time zones, ABC's World News Tonight/Sunday anchor Carole Simpson highlighted how it pains Hillary Clinton that her husband's work to improve the economy has been reversed. Clinton bawled about how it breaks my heart that in two and a half years we've gone back into huge deficits and debt and jobs are down and people are falling back into poverty. 3. ABC Insists Everyone Excited by Hillary, Her Presidential Bid Speak for yourself. Viewers of Sunday's This Week on ABC heard that everyone's been waiting for the Barbara Walters-Hillary Clinton interview, that everyone in Washington will be scouring Hillary's book for clues about her political future, and that whether she will run for President in 2004 is what everyone's talking about. 4. Is the 'Vast, Right-Wing Conspiracy' Bigger Than You Thought? An actual question from Time magazine's Nancy Gibbs to Hillary Clinton in an interview for this week's issue which accompanies the magazine's cover story excerpt of her new book: Is the 'vast, right-wing conspiracy' bigger than you thought when you brought that term into our vocabulary? And that wasn't the only question from Gibbs which presumed conservatives were in the wrong. Gibbs wondered: In the book you have a lot to say about forgiveness. Have you forgiven Ken Starr? Plus: Would you call Bush a radical? 5. NBC Again Distorts Topic by Saying People Left Out of Tax Cut On Friday night, Tom Brokaw raised the subject of how some low-income groups were left out of the President's tax cut, but Brokaw again failed to point out the basic fact that those in question do not pay net income tax. David Gregory echoed the same language as he cited criticism that the tax cut left out a huge chunk of the working poor who wouldn't benefit from the tax plan's expanded child credit. Though their situation would not change, Washington Post reporter Juliet Eilperin ludicrously asserted those in question are hurt by not getting the higher tax credit. 6. Hume: Clinton Waving His Wand at Everyone Who Walked By... Best line of the weekend, from Brit Hume on Fox News Sunday in reaction to Hillary Clinton's charge in her new book that the Starr Report was gratuitously graphic and degrading to the presidency. Hume quipped: So
Re: [CTRL] Modern Mythology - Lynches Can't Discuss Daughter's Rescue
-Caveat Lector- "- American POW Pfc. Jessica Lynch's parents said Thursday they are not permitted to discuss details of their daughter's capture and rescue in Iraq." Not permitted by whom? A military court gag order has no effect on civilians, a civilian court has no jurisdiction arising from military operations. Are these Lynches that stupid that they'd be cowed by this crap? Now wonder the daughter was captured look at the stupidy and cowardess of the parents! www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] This is hilarious
-Caveat Lector- My dad sent me this in an email. It's a video where someone has taken video clips of Tony Blair and George W. Bush, and syncronized the lips of the two men to a male/female duet love song. It makes it appear that they're singing a love song to one another. http://www.control-alt-delete.ca/bb.mpg A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Police Came By Tonight
-Caveat Lector- unfknblvbl... A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Eric Margolis - Is Tony Blair crazy, or just plain stupid?
-Caveat Lector- Is Tony Blair crazy, or just plain stupid? By ERIC MARGOLIS -- Contributing Foreign Editor Tony Blair, Britain's prime minister, proposed a "compromise" last week to the deadlocked UN Security Council: President Saddam Hussein of Iraq should go on TV and admit he had weapons of mass destruction and had committed other transgressions. Blair's offer, reeking of mock sincerity, was clearly crafted to dampen down a storm of Labour party criticism over his sycophantic support of President George Bush's impending crusade against the Saracens of Iraq. But it was an offer Iraq was certain to reject, thus ending diplomacy and opening the way to war. Small wonder the French call Britain "perfidious Albion." Blair's demarche was high hypocrisy, even by Downing Street's usual standard. Why doesn't the insufferably sanctimonious Blair go on TV and explain why Britain still retains nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons in sizable quantities? Are they to stop a cross-channel invasion by France or the Vikings? Perhaps Blair could discuss Winston Churchill's plan to use poison gas against any German landing in World War II. More to the point, Blair should explain why Britain and the U.S. supplied Iraq with germ warfare agents and many of its chemical arms during the 1980s (confirmed in U.S. Senate hearings). Or why British government technicians, discovered by this writer in Baghdad in 1990, were producing anthrax and Q-fever germ weapons for Iraq? Instead of harping on Iraq's brutality, Blair might discuss Britain's savaging of Ireland, brutal colonial conquest of almost half the known world, the addiction of millions of Chinese to British-grown opium, and crimes in India, Africa and Burma. And admit that some of today's worst political problems - Iraq, Palestine, Kashmir, India vs. Pakistan - are due to British imperialism. Blair may well owe a political debt to the financiers and press barons who launched his meteoric political career and badly want this war. But plunging Britons into an unjust, unnecessary war to please these neo-imperialists is intolerable. The only other explanation - that Blair is doing all this out of conviction - is even more frightening. Bad enough born-again George Bush apparently believes he is commanded by God to go to war. That his chief advisers on the Mideast seem to want to recreate biblical Israel. That many of Bush's core fundamentalist supporters believe this war will hasten the conversion of Jews to Christianity and bring the world's end through Armageddon. Blair is too intelligent to swallow such claptrap. Every Iraqi "weapons of mass destruction site" claimed by British and U.S. intelligence has thus far turned out, when inspected by the UN, to be clean. If Blair still believes these clearly debunked claims, he needs help. The CIA and MI-6 still claim they know Iraq is still hiding stores of nerve gas. So then, why not give the locations to UN inspectors? Iraq's feeble, 150-km range al-Samoud missiles might have exceeded their permitted range by an inconsequential 10-15 km. Big deal. They are being destroyed. Worry instead about North Korea's new Taepodong-II missile, which the CIA says can deliver a nuclear warhead to the United States. Unbelievably, Iraq-obsessed Bush dismisses menacing North Korea as only a "regional problem." Saddam's notorious "Winnebagos of death" - germ-making trucks - turned out, on inspection, to be mobile food testing labs. Last week's U.S. and British-promoted canard, Iraq's "drones of death," were three rickety model airplanes unworthy of World War I, rather than dispensers of germs, as the Pentagon claimed. Only one had managed to fly - all of two miles. Iraq's only true potential weapon of mass destruction, VX nerve gas, remains an open question. But Iraq lacks any offensive capability to deliver VX. Its sole use is as a defensive battlefield weapon, CIA Director George Tenet noted. Iraq's most important defector, Gen Hussein Kamel, who headed its biowarfare projects, stated he personally supervised destruction of all of Iraq's nerve gas in 1991, a fact not mentioned by the White House. Other experts say any germ or gas weapons held by Iraq have by now deteriorated through age into inertness. As for Bush's charge Saddam might give such weapons to anti-American groups, why didn't he do so from 1990 to 2003, when the U.S. was daily bombing Iraq and trying to overthrow his regime? Because he's not suicidal. Unable to locate Iraq's U.S./British-supplied weapons, unable to link Iraq to Osama bin Laden, Bush and Blair shifted gears. They now claim Iraq's suffering people must be "liberated." But why weren't they liberated when Saddam committed his worst rights violations during the 1980s, when Iraq was a U.S./British ally? And what about the startling revelation by the former CIA Iraq desk chief that the gassing death of 5,000 Kurds at Halabja; an event endlessly reiterated by Bush - may have been accidentally caused by Iran, not
[CTRL] Is my ISP blocking prisonplanet.com?
-Caveat Lector- I haven't been able to get there for about a week. Anyone else with this problem? A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Red Alert would end some personal freedoms
-Caveat Lector- For you maybe. I'll enforce my liberties at gun point. Keep the peace, keep your piece! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] IRAQ VERSUS THE NEW WORLD ORDER
-Caveat Lector- Very enlightening thanks A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Something interesting I found....
-Caveat Lector- This is just a reply I made on worldnetdaily's message board you might think it's interesting ___ I just got finished flipping through Time/Life's "The American Spirit"... the big glossy 911 special Edition thingy. Out of it's 128 pages that comprised 162 pictures (front back covers not incl.), there was only ONE picture of the Pentagon, and only ONE picture of the Pa. Crash scene. Now get this. the pentagon pic was POST rebuilding, and the Pa. pic was take LONG after all the grass in the field had grown back and the (missing) wreckage removed. Now I wonder why they didn't include crash photo's of those two sites? It must be because I couldn't see a single airplane part anywhere. But on the other hand there were 27 pictures of wtc in ruins, which we know planes indeed hit. So they try to re-tramatize me with all these pictures lest I forget,... then omit 2/3rds of the crash scenes.interesting. There were 57 flags in pictures... So the priority is 1) Be Patriotic ...so you will be 2) retramatized by the wreckage of wtc and 3)learn toput in the back of your mind 2/3rds of the crash scenes that planes wreckage wasn't found in. You think? Lol A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] PropagandaNetDaily Message board...
-Caveat Lector- Highs in the upper thousands for downtown Baghdad later this week by Optomistic Weatherman so if yer wearing one of those tablecloths on yer head, be sure to wear your one million sun block or you could get painful burns! Winds could be six to seven hundred miles per hour at times so some sunglasses might have a double benefit at a point here and there during the week. Flying debris such as large buildings, vehicles and vaporized people could be an obstacle. Shortly after these high winds and extreme high temperatures, the sky WILL become cloudya rare phenomenon where there will be a single cloud taking on the shape of a favorite pizza topping! Speaking of which, even FROZEN pizza will cook in a literal "flash" with no oven required during this unique weather pattern so be sure to take advantage! You can watch it cook right before your boiling eyes! Be sure to wear some extra thick sandals as all the sand in the area will be at least partially on the way to becoming glass and this might stick to your feet and once again, there is a danger of severe burns, so be careful!!! For those that want to get a jump on things, we recommend marinating your camel with barbeque sauce or a nice bitter chutney sometime Wednesday morning and it should make for a scrumptious dinner before EITHER sundown on Wednesday evening This has been your Optomistic Weatherman report for the greater Baghdad area for the week of March 17, 2003. Be CAREFUL out there!!! A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] JOKE Bush visits a school.
-Caveat Lector- President Bush was visiting an elementary school one dayand before he left he declared he would have a brief question and answer period with the children in the classroom. Billy, a determined looking young boy piped up and said "Mr President,I have three questions for you: 1. What is the necessity of going to war with Iraq? 2. Why didn't your dad do it right the first time? 3 What are you going to do with the oil in Iraq? Just then the recess bell rang and all the children went out to play. Twenty minutes later when the children had returned and the classroom settleddown again Tommy addressed the president and said: "Mr President,I have five questions for you: 1. What is the necessity of going to war with Iraq? 2. Why didn't your dad do it right the first time? 3 What are you going to do with the oil in Iraq? 4. Why was the recess bell fifteen minutes early and 5. Where's Billy? . A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] CFR: Iraq Reconstruction Could Cost $20 Billion/Year...
-Caveat Lector- More likely they say that to put it in the budget and then look good for having a surplus. They haven't rebuilt anything in Afghanistan except for a pipeline that wasn't built to begin with. Any rebuilding done in Iraq with be entirely in the energy sector. I simply do not believe that the money will be spent on anything of real benefit to the only true victims in this: civilian Iraqis. - Original Message - From: William Shannon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 6:10 PM Subject: [CTRL] CFR: Iraq Reconstruction Could Cost $20 Billion/Year... -Caveat Lector- http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/03/12/sprj.irq.costs/index.htmlReport: Reconstruction in Iraq could cost up to $20 billion a yearThink tank says American support critical to missionFrom David EnsorCNN Washington BureauWednesday, March 12, 2003 Posted: 2:43 PM EST (1943 GMT)WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Stabilization and reconstruction efforts in Iraq could cost up to $20 billion a year for several years, according to a report released Wednesday by a think tank. The report from the Council on Foreign Relations urged President Bush to "make clear" the U.S. intention to "stay the course" in any post-war operation and win the support of the American public for such an endeavor. The council -- comprised of experts from the government, the military and academia -- based its estimate on an assumed deployment of around 75,000 troops throughout a post-war period. "Winning the peace is task number two," said retired Gen. Gordon Sullivan, a member of the task force that drafted the report, "Iraq: the Day After." Sullivan described a military victory in Iraq as the first goal. The report says the president "should announce a multibillion dollar, multiyear post-conflict reconstruction program and seek formal congressional endorsement." That program should commit at least $3 billion a year to the reconstruction of Iraq, the report says, in addition to the estimated $17 billion-a-year cost of 75,000 troops. The report called on Bush to stress two messages: Explain the United States' vital interest in Iraq's future to the American people, so they will be willing to bear the cost of reconstruction; and to make the public commitment, so Iraqis understand the United States will not walk out before job is done. Task force co-chairmen Thomas Pickering -- who served in the Clinton administration-- and James Schlesinger -- who served in the Nixon and Ford administrations -- said at a news conference that Americans should not assume Iraq's oil wealth will be available in the early years to help pay for Iraq's reconstruction. "In the early years, oil revenues will be insufficient," Schlesinger said, noting that Iraq's oil infrastructure is in dire need of refurbishing and that the country's oil revenues are committed to supplying food and essentials. The report also says that if the United States has to keep more than 75,000 troops in Iraq, which it calls "a genuine possibility," then the funding requirement "would be much greater" than $20 billion a year. The Bush administration has refused to publicly say how much it thinks a war or reconstruction effort would cost in Iraq. Some administration sources say the White House is likely to ask Congress for between $60 and $95 billion to pay for a war and reconstruction. Various administration figures have said there are too many variables to make such an estimate worthwhile. The lack of any number has frustrated many lawmakers, particularly Democrats, who say the U.S. public has a right to know what a war and cleanup operation in Iraq would cost. A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL]
[CTRL] Alex Jones - Police State II The Takeover... download
-Caveat Lector- This week I've put Police State II The Takeover by Alex Jones on my website. It's the full length film folks. You'll need RealPlayersize is 201 megabytes comprising both parts. http://control-alt-delete.ca/Alex_Jones-Police_State_II_The-Takeover-(1of2).rm http://control-alt-delete.ca/Alex_Jones-Police_State_II_The-Takeover-(2of2).rm http://control-alt-delete.ca/page2.html (for other clips/films) The film details how the government uses agents provacateur to disrupt peaceful protest by causing vandalism, violence, and assaulting police by throwing projectiles. The police are told not to "break ranks" (ie: suffer the abuse) until they are in a very heated, frustrated fenzy. When they are "cut loose", they go rampant billy-clubbing, macing, pepper spraying, tazing anything they can. There's some really good footage from the Seattle WTO riot that is cleary indicative this. As we all know, the story ends by the constitution being effectively suspended in Seattle. The film also documents the ever increasing militarization of the police, and integration with the armed forces, contrary to posse comitatus. I can tell by the fwd's here on CTRL that some of you are on other lists. Please fwd this. I don't care about the hits I do care about waking up sheep. BTW... coming soonBohemina Grove... full length. Ctrl. A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Alex Jones - Police State II The Takeover... download
-Caveat Lector- So you disagree that through incrementalism a police state is at the end of a slipery slope? Yes or No? - Original Message - From: Zuukie To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Alex Jones - Police State II The Takeover... download -Caveat Lector- -Caveat Lector- -Original Message-From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike SmithSent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 9:39 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [CTRL] Alex Jones - Police State II The Takeover... download This week I've put Police State II The Takeover by Alex Jones on my website. It's the full length film folks. You'll need RealPlayersize is 201 megabytes comprising both parts. Sorry to rain on your parade, but the protest against the war in Iraq here in Chicagos last week in the Loop was as tame as a babys butt and the establishment presence was minimal. The teenagers and college kids did their simplistic protest and the police were standing by grinning. The protection of the establishment at the time of the international economic leaders here in Chicago several months ago was very impressive, but the protest against the war in Iraq was just an oh well thing. A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance?not soap-boxing?please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'?with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds?is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om Om A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
Re: [CTRL] It's Official: French = Freedom
-Caveat Lector- Yanks dump Dom Perrion in the gutter but drink Smirnoff and Heineken when all three countries took a very similar stance. Go figure... - Original Message - From: Euphorian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 2:37 PM Subject: [CTRL] It's Official: French = Freedom -Caveat Lector- http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apwashington_story.asp?category= 1153slug=Freedom%20Friesfrom=homeAP SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER Tuesday, March 11, 2003 Last updated 10:57 a.m. PT French Fries Get New Name in Congress By JIM ABRAMS ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER WASHINGTON -- Show the flag and pass the ketchup was the order of the day in House cafeterias Tuesday. Lawmakers struck a lunchtime blow against the French and put freedom fries on the menu. And for breakfast they'll now have freedom toast. The name changes follow similar actions by restaurants around the country protesting French opposition to the administration's Iraq war plans. Update. Now Serving in All House Office Buildings, 'Freedom Fries,' read a sign that Republican Reps. Bob Ney of Ohio and Walter Jones of North Carolina placed at the register in the Longworth Office Building food court. Jones said he was inspired by Cubbie's restaurant in Beaufort, N.C., in his district, one of the first to put freedom fries on the menu instead of french fries. This action today is a small but symbolic effort to show the strong displeasure of many on Capitol Hill with the actions of our so-called ally, France, said Ney, chairman of the House Administration Committee. Ney, whose panel oversees House operations, ordered the menu changes. The French Embassy in Washington had no immediate comment, except to say that french fries actually come from Belgium. Ney said he was of French descent and once the French government comes around we can get back to talking about french fries. On a more serious note, Republican Jim Saxton of New Jersey has proposed a ban on Pentagon participation in this year's Paris Air Show and restrictions on French participation in any postwar construction projects in Iraq. But House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, said at a news conference that applying legislative sanctions to France was not necessary. I don't think we have to retaliate against France. They've isolated themselves pretty well, he said. Forwarded for your information. The text and intent of the article have to stand on their own merits. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe simply because it has been handed down for many genera- tions. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumoured by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is written in Holy Scriptures. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of teachers, elders or wise men. Believe only after careful observation and analysis, when you find that it agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all. Then accept it and live up to it. The Buddha on Belief, from the Kalama Sutra A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and
[CTRL] The Myth of Prosperity PERIOD.
-Caveat Lector- The biggest conspiracy of them all A must read. the only book I've ever read that made me mad. http://www.mindmined.com/public_library/nonfiction/david_f_feudalism_aka_capitalism.html American Capitalism aka Fuedalismby David F.EXCERPT: "...the average reader paid more tax last year than ATT, Du Pont, Boeing, Merrill Lynch, Dow Chemical,and Walt Disney paid collectively from 1982 through 1985!! Do yourself a favor and reread the above paragraph. (ref: Some big companies did a strange thing in '87: They paid taxes" BusinessWeek (Dec 26 1988): p40) A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Why France is America's True Friend
-Caveat Lector- Seems to be the case in my mind http://www.canoe.ca/Columnists/margolis_mar9.html Why France is America's true friend By ERIC MARGOLIS -- Contributing Foreign Editor MIAMI -- Watching American TV can be a surreal experience. Sandwiched between ads for instant weight loss products, predigested fast food, and incontinence panties, cable TV commentators bay like rabid dogs for war against Iraq, and subject nations daring to oppose President Bush's crusade to venomous abuse or sneering disdain. France, which speaks with the strongest, most logical voice of those opposing war, has become the special target of vituperation and hatred in America's leading neo-conservative media - Fox TV, the Wall Street Journal, New York Post - and the Bush administration's bete noire. Particularly so, now that France, Germany, and Russia vow to veto U.S. attempts to ram a war-enabling resolution through the UN Security Council. France, many Americans claim, should do whatever Washington orders out of gratitude for the U.S. "saving" it in two world wars. U.S. television features angry veterans standing in American military cemeteries in Normandy, denouncing France for "stabbing America in the back" - as if invading Iraq to grab its oil and crushing Israel's enemies had anything to do with World War II. Few flag-waving pundits mention America sat out almost 40% of WWII until attacked by Japan. In 1940, the German armed forces were the equivalent of the U.S. armed forces today - a full military generation ahead of other nations. France's entire army was destroyed in battle by the invincible Germans; had the U.S. fought Germany in 1940, it too would have been routed. The Soviet Union, not the U.S., defeated Germany, destroying over 100 Nazi divisions. So enough with all the bombast about Word War II. In the eyes of Europeans and most of the world, George Bush's administration looks dangerously aggressive, dominated as it is by petrohawks and neo-conservative ideologues linked to Israel's far right. These little Mussolinis have no time for diplomacy or multi-nationalism. No wonder a recent Pew Research poll found that formerly favourable ratings of the U.S. have plummeted in 19 of 27 nations surveyed. It seems at times that President Bush is even more eager to bomb Paris than Baghdad. In fact, the administration has been treating France like an enemy, rather than America's oldest ally and intimate friend. Neo-conservatives even accuse France of anti-Semitism, a disgusting slander. Doing the right thing Far from being an enemy, France has been doing what a true good friend should do: telling Washington its policy is wrong and dangerous, unlike the handkissing leaders of Britain, Spain and Italy, who crave Bush's political support, or the East European coalition of the shilling, ex-communist politicians pandering to Washington for cash. Seventy percent of British, and 90% of Italians and Spaniards oppose Bush's crusade. France's President Jacques Chirac speaks for an overwhelming majority of Europeans and, indeed, the world's people, in urging the U.S. to opt for diplomacy and UN inspections over a war that will not be worth the loss of a single American soldier, not to mention tens of thousands of Iraqis and chaos across Mesopotamia. So, too, warns the great and wise Pope John Paul II. The contrast between France's reasoned diplomatic response and Bush's belligerent behaviour could not be more stark. As is the dignified, logical tone set by President Chirac and Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin compared to the bullying, low-brow, locker-room talk issuing from the White House that has seriously damaged America's reputation and image around the globe. Last week Turkey's new parliament, chosen in the first truly democratic election in memory, followed Europe, courageously rejecting Washington's bribes and demands that U.S. ground forces be allowed to attack Iraq from Turkish territory. Washington's churlish response - withdrawing its bribes, threatening punishment - contrasted curiously to Bush's claims his goal in Iraq is bringing democracy to the Mideast. Democracy, its seems, is fine so long as it does U.S. bidding. Inconveniently, Turkey's people and democratic government voted a resounding no to war. How long the Turks can resist intense pressure from the U.S. and its friends, Turkey's hard right generals, remains to be seen. Bush's crusade against Iraq will go on with or without Turkey. The war will be akin to throwing a grenade into a huge hornet's nest. France, which lives next to the Arab world and has 5 million Muslim citizens, warns an invasion and occupation of Iraq will roil the entire region, spark more terrorism, and hit Europe with a dangerous backblast. But Bush couldn't care less, as he would say. While Bush prepares war against demolished Iraq, he is ducking the surging nuclear confrontation with North Korea, which, unlike Iraq, truly threatens North America. Outrageous dereliction of
Re: [CTRL] An Open Letter to PropagandaNetDaily
-Caveat Lector- PropagandaNetDaily don't you mean? I'm not quite sure of the defining moment when I ceased to be a sheep and became an independent thinker, but as the veil was lifted over my eyes I began to get my news from alternative sources such as the WND you mention. Being of a primarily conservative mind, I found it quite easy to demonize liberals and read heaps upon heaps of self deluding left/right TRASH! (it all seemed legit at the time) Then as time progressed I found a wealth of information on other websites that contradicted my holy grail of all conservativeness.. aka WorldNetDaily I then learned a false left/right paradigm is in place to conquer and divide us. I soon realized that WND isn't nearly the Free Press for a Free People it claims to be. It's like reading salon.com then flipping channels to another infomercial. Two groups selling the same sh|t with a different brand name. Joseph Farah is a SHILL and nothing more. I once respected this man but I can no longer make than claim. Any praise I ever made of him turned to self disgust for opening my mouth ages ago. Nothing would please me more than to read some coked-up psycho gave him an immediate dispatch. That also goes for a lot of politicians too. (99%) Gee... could wishing he got his up comings get me kicked off this list? Like I said earlier I don't give a damn! - Original Message - From: iNFoWaRZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 5:00 PM Subject: [CTRL] An Open Letter to WorldNetDaily -Caveat Lector- An Open Letter to WorldNetDaily by Jimmy Cantrell http://www.patriotist.com/cantrell.htm Controlling the access of ideas is essential if you desire to prevent the rise of opposition. If people remain ignorant, they will accept quietly almost anything heaped on them, but if they know, they will begin asking questions and perhaps making demands. That is the reason that Leftists finding their Long March Through the Academic Institutions successful immediately slammed shut the doors in the faces of non-Leftists so that no one could enter to refute them. They now have full say, unquestioned say, because they make certain that no one who disagrees fundamentally [as opposed to someone who agrees with basic Leftism but disagrees over matters of strategy or emphasis] is allowed to secure a position from which to oppose them. They then, if forced to acknowledge the existence of ideas contrary to received Leftist wisdom, assert that there is no need to address concerns of someone like me, because if I were intellectually competent I would hold a university teaching position or w rite for some well-respected publication: as all really smart people who are not evil - the Leftist is certain - think in sympathy with, if not necessarily exactly like, the Modern Language Association and the Rainbow Coalition and the African National Congress, the fact that I do not so think proves that I am either unintelligent or evil. Because I am Southern, it proves to the preponderance of Left-thinkers [who are never guilty of prejudiced thinking, unless such is warranted] that I am probably both. To the deconstructive postmodernist and other Leftists, only a mindlessly violent racist, sexist, homophobe would reject such beautiful logic, and, obviously, no decent person will bother understanding the views of white men deemed untouchable by enlightened Leftists, particularly those who meet at least one Affirmative Action quota and/or deny Christ in the name of the Talmud. Neoconservatives reveal their Leftist foundation in many ways, and refusing, even as they present themselves as paragons of Free Speech, to allow any real debate once they come to control an institution, is a key one. Neocons [who are American Anglophilic Imperial Conservatives,] the pure WASP George Will-types as much as the Jewish newcomers still reeking of Marxism and passion to utterly secularize any Christian culture, hate and/or fear the South and Southern culture as much as do Leftists. In fact, it seems rather obvious to me that Neocons are on average far more willing to engage in non-rancorous debate and compromise with Leftists than with Southern Paleoconservatives; we they either dismiss as being too anachronistic, too atavistic to consider seriously or assert are fit, in this age of Enlightened Tolerance of Diversity, only for the genocidal ministrations of archetypal Yankee WASP Imperial Conservative General W. T. [the only good Indian is a dead Indian] Sherman. It should be obvious why Leftists hate and fear the South: as the South is, and has been since at least the Revolutionary War era, the most politically and culturally conservative part of these United States, any movement to reject Leftism will be centered in the South and tied inextricably to Southern values. If the Left can kill Southern culture and Southern identity, it can rid itself of the greatest threat to its goals. Without Southerners
[CTRL] Red Alert for Bill of Rights
-Caveat Lector- http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0311/hentoff.php at HentoffRed Alert for Bill of Rights!Justice Department vs. DemocracyMarch 7th, 2003 7:00 PM The Justice Department . . . seems to be running amok. . . . This agency right now is the biggest threat to personal liberty in the country. Republican conservative Dick Armey, former House majority leader, New Republic, October 21, 2002 This nation . . . has no right to expect that it always will have wise and humane rulers, sincerely attached to the principles of the Constitution. . . . [If] the calamities of war again befall us, the dangers to human liberty are frightful to contemplate. United States Supreme Court, Ex Parte Milligan, 1866, declaring Abraham Lincoln's suspension of habeas corpus and other abuses of the Bill of Rights unconstitutional We may never know the name of the patriot who leaked John Ashcroft's draft of a sequel to the USA Patriot Act to Charles Lewis, head of the Center for Public Integrity. Lewis put the 86 pages on his web site (www.publicintegrity.org) on February 7, and that night Bill Moyers interviewed Lewis on his PBS television program, Now. This broke the story of the most radical government plan in our history to remove from Americans their liberties under the Bill of Rights. As The Washington Post warned in a February 12 editorial, this proposed lawprepared in secret for months while the Justice Department told Congress it had no such legislation in mindgives the Bush administration "more power unilaterally to exempt people from the protections of the justice system and place them in a kind of alternative legal world." For more on the liberties that may be lostthrough secret arrests, stripping Americans of citizenship, dragnet collection of DNAsee last week's column, "Ashcroft Out of Control." On Bill Moyers's program, Charles Lewis said it took "the most incredible kind of courage" for a member of the Justice Department to have leaked this draft. "There's gonna be a witch-hunt," Lewis predicted. "[If found, the leaker] could very likely not only lose their job, but . . . be ruined professionally. [And I] have an incredible respect for anyone who does that." Called the Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003, the legislation was most likely intended to be sprung on Congress and the rest of us once the war on Iraq began. As Charles Levendosky, editorial page editor of the Casper, Wyoming, Star-Tribunea ceaselessly vigilant watcher of the Justice Departmentsaid in his syndicated column: "The DSEA isn't a working paper. It's a complete proposal for legislation. One cannot escape the ramifications. The thoroughness of DSEA is meant to discourage congressional changes, deletions or amendments. . . . It attacks the fundamental framework of our democracy by removing the checks and balances that hold it together and make it work." In addition to the judiciary and Congress, the other check the Framers relied on to stop uncontrolled government power was what used to be called the Fourth Estate. That's why the First Amendment guarantees "Congress shall make no law . . . abridging the . . . freedom . . . of the press." But most of the media treated this unprecedented revision of the Constitution as a one- or two-day story, and there was scant mention of it on television. Interestingly, the largest response soon after Bill Moyers's program was from 3581 radio stations. And Moyers's Web site got more than 200,000 hits after the February 7 interview with Charles Lewis. But as happened with The Washington Post's front-page story on the torture of prisoners in CIA interrogation at our military bases overseasand the Los Angeles Times' detailed report on the CIA's targeted killingsthere has been hardly any follow-up in newspapers or on broadcast and cable television. Aldous Huxley once wrote of our "almost infinite appetite for distraction," and that attention deficit has increasingly characterized the effect on the press of the 24-hour news-cycle race. I wonder what the job qualifications are these days for assignment editors. If any member of the press is interested, the American Civil Liberties Union has prepared a 19-page, single-spaced, section-by-section analysis of the myriad constitutional violations in the Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003. The ACLU released a similar, invaluable dissection of the first USA Patriot Act, but very little of that appeared in the media. And to this day, not many Americans know what's in that omnivorous lawlet alone how it's being implemented. The new ACLU analysis of USA Patriot Act II was written by legislative counsel Timothy Edgar. In his initial summary, Edgar notes that this bill, if signed into law by the eager president, would, among other consequences, "threaten public health by severely restricting access to crucial information about environmental health risks posed by
[CTRL] Industrial-scale mortuaries being sought......
-Caveat Lector- http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/story.jsp?story=385305 A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Christian Enthusiasm
-Caveat Lector- Kind of makes you wonder how much of this is due to grant dollars. IE: Faith Based Initiative. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Homeland Security and the transformation of America
-Caveat Lector- by Berit Kjos http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/2003/homeland.htm A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] GM OnStar
-Caveat Lector- I was just listening to the local talk (fraud) radio a few minutes ago when I heard a commerical that used a recorded conversation between a GM car owner who'd locked himself out of the car in the middle of nowhere, and an OnStar rep. The OnStar rep does whatever on the computer and opens the door for the car owner who is very greatful. Now while this certainly puts a positive spin on having a GPS tracking device in your car, it also make me wonder if they also have the ability to shut a car's engine off with no manual override. The positive spin being it deters car theft and high speed chases should police call Onstar. What I'm really wondering is If there's a suitcase nuke or bioterror somewhere in N.A. and for our safety the feds want to lock down cities, could OnStar be used to shut down whole columns of fleeing traffic trapping millions on freeways for convenient round up? Could this have been palnned into it from day 1? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] French selling military parts to Iraq
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: David Sutherland To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 2:12 PM Subject: [CTRL] French selling military parts to Iraq -Caveat Lector- French selling military parts to Iraq AFP - A French company has been selling spare parts to Iraq. It seems fine and dandy to demonize France for selling to the enemyPRIOR TOa war. It makes them look worse for not being "on side". One needs to realize however that the media fails to mention that some prominent Americans did business with the Nazi's DURING THE WAR. Buck Fush! A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] THE PAPAL ALLIANCE WITH ISLAM
-Caveat Lector- Gary H. Kah wrote a (imho) good book that touches on Rome's ecumenical nature as of late. New World Religion was the title. A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] LOOK! THE LIVERY STABLE IS ON FIRE!
-Caveat Lector- From: Nakano Nakamura [EMAIL PROTECTED] About one half of Iraq's airspace is declared as no fly zonesin which Iraq can't fly aircraft over it's own soil. And if Iraq even attempts to shoot at the coalition fighter planes in its skies, Bush and Blair howl about a material breach of the UN Resolutions. That's about the size of it. Even though the no fly zones are not a UN resolution at all. I think they think we're that stupid to buy it. The following link to this image sums up my feelings on the subject perfectly. http://control-alt-delete.ca/lawnwater.gif A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Memo Exposes Bush's New Green Strategy
-Caveat Lector- From: flw [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip NOTHING destroys environmentally sensitive areas nor aggravates world wide environmental degradation as much as American population growth and density. If you really think we're parasites on the Earth feel free to set an example by offing yourself. Just think,... your death will help save the planet. ;-) A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] What Good Is Neo-Conservative Talk Radio?
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Prudy L To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 7:28 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] What Good Is Neo-Conservative Talk Radio? -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 3/2/2003 1:17:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hopefully talk radio listeners will search for the truth and not just settle for what Rush or Sean gives them. No problem. You don't have to settle for Rush or Sean. There's some lying spin doctor on just about any station that has any talk at all. Amazingly those who are looking for truth never seem to notice that the only place they'll find truth these days is between trusty and truth serum in my little desk dictionary here. So if you do too much looking for truth, you have learn the truth about the other two words also. Conservatives (neo or otherwise) don't like too much delving for truth. Prudy I go to bed listening to a replay of the Alex Jones show (infowars.com)I wake up to Joyce Riley and Dave VonKleiston the powerhour. (thepowerhour.com) Both shows available on the the GCN Radio Network. (http://sce.m2ktalk.com:8010/listen.pls winamp) I trust all three of them as media people and they're about the only three I trust. But what they say on air mirrors so much of what gets posted in this list and others, that they're definatley not "establishment". I'd just hate to see them smeared since talk radio does indeed tend to be "neo-con". The truth IS out there. A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] D/L HQ copy Alex Jones 911 road to tyranny
-Caveat Lector- I'm sure many of you have seen this movie already. This is NOT that same poor quality/out of sync version Alex Jones offers for free. It's not exactly DVD quality either but it's definately watchable and in sync. BTW If anyone can donate 210 megs of high bandwidth webspace I'd like to offer Alex Jone's Police State II - The Takeover aswell. The movie is on my website www.control-alt-delete.ca. Click the TYRANNY link in the menu. A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] D/L Alex Jones - Dark Secrets Inside Bohemian Grove. (mpg)
-Caveat Lector- An Interesting excerpt from the movie (23 minutes - 69.3mb) that shows the world's elite engaging in occult rituals in Bohemian Grove. http://control-alt-delete.ca/Alex_Jones-Dark_Secrets_Inside_Bohemian_Grove.mpg So if you want to see it, get it while you can. I will be removing it from my webspace in a a couple days to replace it with 911 - The Road To Tyranny. (complete...a helluva lot better quality that Alex Jones offers on infowars.com) A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mob Rule Wins For W
-Caveat Lector- "Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/25/2000 4:35:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The protestors carried anti-Gore signs, including one that read: "Rotten to the Gore." The demonstration then turned violent as the canvassing board sought to go into closed session to begin examining the ballots. Dade County's Democratic chairman, Joe Geller, was chased by the crowd and required police protection. The mob also charged the offices of the supervisor of elections and began pounding on the doors. Several people were roughed up before sheriff deputies blocked the demonstrators' path and restored some order. The shaken three-member canvassing board promptly reversed its decision to count the ballots that many observers believed contained a large number of uncounted votes for Vice President Al Gore. Did anyone else notice that there weren't any Slade Gorton type cops grabbing the demonstrators and wiping pepper spray into their eyes. Prudy The demostrators didn't set the deadline. All the democratic floridians in power did. Just the facts ma'am A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hetro Scout Shenanigans!
-Caveat Lector- From: "Yardbird" This incident occurred in Canada and seems to highlight a concern made by Americans who support the BSA - that placing young children in intimate circumstances with sleazy adults who may exploit such an environment to sexually abuse those children is a very real concern. In this case a hetero male used precisely such an opportunity to prey on girls so why isn't it equally valid to think that a homo predator would use a similar situation to steal some Cub's Fruit o' the Looms? Because you seem to have missed the bit that it was another MALE leader who apprehended the pervert stealing Brownies' underpants. In other words, not all heterosexuals are pedophiles. Just as all homosexuals are not pedophiles. June I really believe it was you June who missed Yardbirds point. June lets face it NOBODY is arguing that pedophilia is either: a) predetermined by an individuals sexual orientation. or b) precluded by an individuals sexual orientation. You know it, I know it, the whole list knows it. Whether or not the culprit was caught by a male or female is in this case irrelevent and moot. If the BSA was to allow homosexual men to be scout leaders, whom would the pedophile segment of that group prey on? Boys obviously. And if the BSA also had some HETEROsexual leaders who were ALSO pedophiles whom would they prey on? NOBODY because there's no young girls in the boy scouts. So IOW that would leave the pedophile percentage of the homosexual population with their choice of sexual conquest at their disposal. Whereas the hetero-pedophiles would still have NOBODY to molest. Basically you've said time and time again June that you'd like to see the ONLY group with any reasonable feasibility of molesting boy scouts allowed to participate. Can you explain that? I think we all agree here June that pedophiles come in both flavors my question is: Which one will be molesting the boys? Mike Smith A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] CommentMax: Tyranny Is Here
-Caveat Lector- So far, the only activists from either spectrum I praise and pray for are the animal rights activists. God Bless Them. Ya! Thank God animals have the right to be cooked properly with garlic and butter! MS A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Judaism and Homosexuality
-Caveat Lector- Also, a question was asked in one of the links from your link, asking why all the other Levitical prohibitions also aren't being discussed... If you are going to be so obsessed over Lev. 18, Aleisha, why aren't you also pontificating regarding all the OTHER prohibitions delineated in that book? Have you never worn a garment made of blended fibers, Aleisha? Did you go into seclusion and take ritual baths every time you had your period (presuming you are a woman) or had an emission of semen (presuming you are a man)? Have you never eaten pork or shellfish? If you answered 'no' to any question, then you are as 'guilty' as any homosexual in breaking a biblical commandment. Are those too called abominations? Or just sins? Do they too call for the death penalty with the blood on their heads? Mike Smith A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Keep the Homophobes Out of Our Discussion
-Caveat Lector- Whatever slant/rant I have is not 'lesbian/home', since I'm straight... That's what I was hoping now do yourself and the rest of us a big favor. Go get laid. This is one of the most blatant examples of sexism one can see... Why would you think 'getting laid' would change my opinion, when it hasn't yet? While YOU may have your brain directly wired to your genitals, most of the rest of us do not... It's men like you that turn women into lesbians... June Gawd I love a woman with a lil' spunk ;) Mike A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Keep the Homophobes...OK Kris after this Nuff said I promise :o)
-Caveat Lector- Whatever slant/rant I have is not 'lesbian/home', since I'm straight... That's what I was hoping now do yourself and the rest of us a big favor. Go get laid. This is one of the most blatant examples of sexism one can see... Why would you think 'getting laid' would change my opinion, when it hasn't yet? While YOU may have your brain directly wired to your genitals, most of the rest of us do not... It's men like you that turn women into lesbians... June That leads me to one single question June. If a person can be "turn(ed)" into a homosexual as you assert, being so knowledgeable on the subject, why would we as a society want our kids put into a position by homosexual Scout Masters where they could be "turn(ed)" towards other sexual orientations contrary to the position put forth by the homosexual activists that people are "born that way"? Be it gay or STRAIGHT? There's a contradiction here June. Would you care to clarify? Not that you should expect a reply though I already promised Kris in the subject line... Nuff said! Mike Smith A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Keep the Homophobes Out of Our Discussion
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: "Ynr Chyldz Wyld" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 6:51 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Keep the Homophobes Out of Our Discussion -Caveat Lector- From: "Mike Smith" [EMAIL PROTECTED] What part of the word PUBLIC do you fail to understand June? The BSA may be a private institution as such. And be that as it may, the members thereof are still comprised of the PUBLIC. When members of the public join together in a PRIVATE, exclusionary group, they are no longer members of the public at large, but private citizens congregating in a private group. As such, they have no right to expect the public to foot their bill. Of course they are a private group! They are members of the PUBLIC in a private group. And by the way, private citizens ARE members of the public too. And if the homosexual members of the land wanted to start their own private group then I'd be damned well fighting for their allowed use of public facilities. Personally I couldn't care less if the BSA was a ONLY homosexual group! They should still be able to go to the park, forest, campground...whatever...just as you and I can enjoy. A philosophy of thought one way or the other does NOT render people either members of the public or not. We have freedoms of thought and association remember? Now June, reread definitions 1a, 2a 2c, 3a, 5 6a I suggest YOU reread it, because if those definitions applied to the BSA, then ALL members of the public would have to be allowed to be members, and that means homosexuals, atheists, satanists, whatever. Yes yes but they DON'T!. So you may as well quit that annoying sniveling about it and get on with life. They are private...so what? Would you suggest that the Freemasons, or the Hibernians, or the Catholic or Satanist churches, or gay activist groups, receive public funds and the use of public facilities? They are all made up of members of the public, also. I'd really like to read you describe one single dollar the BSA receives from the public coffers. Donations don't count. Do you have a "boy scout" tax where you live June? Is that how they are funded? No! If the BSA was funded the way the gay and femenist lobbys in Washington they'd get so much from the public tit they wouldn't need all those fundraisers they do. Better yet, can you name one single public facility those aforementioned groups are BARRED from thereby causing this inequality and predjudice you so zealously work to overcome? Why is it that Satanists, Neo-Nazi's, The Black Panthers et alia should be granted the use of Main Street USA to parade down but not the BSA? They all seem exclusive in membership. On another note, have you ever looked at your manners when you refer to people as homophobes? First of all phobias are mental illness. To imagine you have the audacity to infer anyone who contradicts your lesbian/homo slant...err RANT is "predisposed to mental illness" when rebutting, debating, ignoring or displaying apathy towards the lesbian/homo socio-political agenda. To disagree means I'm afraid, paraniod and cowering of homosexual men! roflmao Maybe you should get yourself some psychiatric credentials so you can legitimize that derogatory mental illness diagnosis you're so quick to disperse. Nuff said! Mike Smith A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Keep the Homophobes Out of Our Discussion
-Caveat Lector- SNIP blah blah snip When they get the free use of public facilities, such as public schools, then it costs the public money. If they wish to continue to utilize public facilities for their meetings, let them pay rent like other PRIVATE organizations do. To the best of my knowledge schools are publically funded however the buildings themselves are not public as such. Every "public" school I've ever been in has very prominent signs to the effect of: " Visitors must report to the office. Trespassers will be prosecuted" How does one trespass on public property? You can't. Therefore in a public school it is called public because members of the public may attend it. But as I illustrate with the example of the school sign previously, the edifice itself is not a public place. My complaints about the demonization of the BSA is about the TRUE public places. Take Nat'l parks for example, they are truly public not pseudo-public like a public school. That's what gets my ire up. I could care less about any schools that quit supporting the BSA. That's their preogative. On another note, have you ever looked at your manners when you refer to people as homophobes? First of all phobias are mental illness. You got it. To imagine you have the audacity to infer anyone who contradicts your lesbian/homo slant...err RANT Whatever slant/rant I have is not 'lesbian/home', since I'm straight... That's what I was hoping now do yourself and the rest of us a big favor. Go get laid. Mike Smith A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] (HUMOUR) Software updates...
Soft Ware Last year, I upgraded my GirlFriend 5.0 to GirlFriend 5.1, which installs itself as -Fiancee 1.0-. Recently, I upgraded Fiancee 1.0 to Wife 1.0 and it's a real memory hog. It has taken up all my space, and Wife 1.0 must be running before I can do ANYTHING. It is also spawning Child Processes which are further consuming system resources. Some applications, such as PokerNight 10.3, BeerBash 2.5, and PubNight 7.0 are no longer able to run in the system at all. Additional plug-ins were automatically installed, such as Mother-In-Law 55.8, and there is no uninstall feature for these plug-ins. No mention of these behaviors was discussed in the brochures or documentation, although other users have reported similar problems. Because of this, some users that I know have decided to avoid the headaches associated with these upgrades, and simply move from Girlfriend 5.0 to Girlfriend 6.0. Unfortunately, this is not without peril as well, as all traces of Girlfriend 5.0 must be removed from the system before attempting installation of 6.0. Even then, Girlfriend 6.0 will repeatedly run system checks (usually in the background, and often late at night when the system is asleep) to find evidence of previous versions. To cap it off, Girlfriend 6.0 apparently has a nag feature reminding about the advantages of upgrading to Wife 1.0. However, I do like some of the features that you are planning to include in the upcoming Girlfriend 6.1 release: * A -Don't remind me again- button * Minimize button * Shutdown feature * An install shield feature so that Girlfriend can be completely uninstalled if necessary (so you don't lose cache and other objects) Unfortunately, since I've already upgraded to Wife 1.0, I don't think I will be able to take advantage of any of these new features, unless you decide to include them in the next Mistress release. But, of course, there is a whole raft of problems associated with the use of Mistress 1.0 and Wife 1.0 on the same system -- most notably are system conflicts and continual disk thrashing, which starts shortly after Wife 1.0 detects Mistress 1.0. Interestingly enough, all versions of PersonalLawyer still work fine. Finally, Wife 1.0 apparently deletes all MSMoney files before uninstalling itself; following that, Mistress 1.1 will refuse to install, claiming insufficient resources. I personally find all these new tools and conflicts to be too confusing and time consuming. I'm sticking with Dog 1.0b3. It slobbers and chews up the paper, but all in all these bugs are tolerable. It is simple to operate and we get along fine. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] A law allowing the cops to break the law.
http://www.canoe.ca/CNEWSLaw0009/14_law.html Lawyers wary of proposal Suggestion cops be allowed to break laws met with reservations By DOUG BEAZLEY -- Edmonton Sun EDMONTON -- A federal proposal to give cops leeway to break the law - and even commit violent acts - to bolster investigations is getting nervous looks from the legal community. A Justice Canada white paper being shopped around provincial governments and police forces suggests cops be empowered to commit crimes ranging from drug trafficking to violent assaults, if they believe they need to in order to pursue an investigation. "The question we want to ask here is, why?" said lawyer Stephen Jenuth, head of the Alberta Civil Liberties Association. "There are provisions in the law now to allow officers to do things like sell drugs. Why is the government pursuing such sweeping powers all of a sudden?" The white paper deals mostly with undercover police operations and drug stings. The paper says "intentional use of force" outside of the law wouldn't be permitted except in special circumstances - such as a situation where an undercover cop uses violence to prevent another undercover cop from being exposed or to protect evidence. "Say a cop wants to infiltrate a biker group and they ask him to, for instance, go beat up Stephen Jenuth," said Jenuth. "He could make a mistake and end up killing me, I guess." Actually, the white paper says the liability shield would not cover the commission of sexual offences or assaults leading to "grievous bodily harm" or death. And a senior lawyer with Justice Canada said the shield probably wouldn't cover undercover cops committing assaults simply to prove they're not cops. "The officer would be expected to find another way," said Michael Zigayer. The special liability protection proposed by the paper would kick in when the officer got clearance from a "senior law enforcement official" designated by the Crown. But in cases where communication with that senior officer isn't possible, the cop could make a field decision to go ahead and do the crime. "It's a slippery slope, and one never knows what's at the bottom of it," said local criminal lawyer Robbie Davidson. "I can't see how this is justified." Const. Grant Obst can. The head of the Canadian Police Association said police need to be able to bend the rules occasionally in order to fight organized crime. "There are situations where we're better equipped to infiltrate criminal organizations if we're able to ... compromise the law in certain situations," he said. And Zigayer said the white paper policy wouldn't protect a cop if a subsequent criminal trial found he went too far. "The officer would face prosecution for the crime, and the evidence he gathered would be thrown out," he said. An Alberta Justice spokesman, meanwhile, said the department has "reservations" about the use-of-force provision. He wouldn't elaborate. The lawyers, justice ministers and police will get their chance to critique the paper Oct. 5 when the feds hold a special round table on their proposals.
[CTRL] Enuf Tw@t already.... ppl grow up
no need to say anymore, the subject line is to the point
Re: [CTRL] What is a T----? June, Bill and Aleisha
I refrain from profanity on this list for the simple reason it is profane. However, the word in question and the abhorence thereof is IMHO nothing more than the continual assualt on the english language by those who wish to ram gender-neutral language down our throats. To exemplify, if a man has a very anti-social attitude we call him an @$$h0le. If the @$$hole also happens to be vindictive we then change anotimical references and call him a prick. Both refer to parts of the body, whereas if you do the same to a woman, all hell breaks loose. What makes me sicker than the profanity in question, is to which the double standard is applied. Sorry... but I grew up with a militant feminist mother. My opinion is educated. But for the record I prefer civility. Mike Smith - Original Message - From: "Ynr Chyldz Wyld" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 7:26 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] What is a T? June, Bill and Aleisha From: "Samantha L." [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tw-- is also another word (slang) for the vagina. I don't know who you hang around with, but I have never heard the word 'twat' used in that respect. In the same league as the four letter c word. That was the meaning that offended me. And even if it DID mean 'vagina', what is it about vaginas you find offensive? What difference does it make if one calls the female reproductive organ 'vagina' or 'cunt' (or 'twat', if that is what you think the word means); or if we call the male reproductive organ 'penis', 'prick' or 'dick' (or any number of dozens of other slang/'profane' names for it)? Words are just words. They have no intrinsic power in and of themselves, only that which a person chooses to assign to them. You choose to get flustered and bothered by the use of one word over the other; I, OTOH, yawn. It is interesting that you make it a point to put certain listmembers' names in the subject line -- a breach of netiquette and violation of most lists' rule -- just like 'Birdie' and 'Aleisha' do... ;-) June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Charles Darwin - The Truth?
1) There have NEVER been two fossils found LINKING one species to another. 2) The THEORY of evolution is just that. To be considered SCIENCE it must be repeatable, demonstrable and testable. By definition is FAILS the test of science. It can pass none of those tests. 3) Evolution CONTRADICTS the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics PERIOD! (is is really a law then??) 4) The proteins used to CREATE DNA can ONLY be made FROM DNA (man has NEVER synthesised it yet) And that just happens to come from a family member with a PHD in bio-chemistry. When a genetic engineer doesn't buy into evolution why should I? Mike Smith - Original Message - From: "Aleisha Saba" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 3:58 PM Subject: [CTRL] Fwd: Charles Darwin - The Truth? Interesting items here and questions about Darwin being plagiarist? So much for family treesClinton and his English connection, his real name was alleged to be Blythe - always lovd how Darwin said the "descent" of man - guess depends on where you are. Old biblical line, Jesus was asked how to you intend to get back up there - meaning heaven - and he said the same way I got up. Stars in the night and shepards keeping watch for a bright star so did you ever watch the skies for UFO's? Lots of secret experiments. But I think men are the sons of God ready to return to the heavens..for if this be true, a day with Christ is as a thousand years.3 days is 3 thousand years. Freud plagiarized the bible ad so did Lincoln; never read too much on Darwin except stories about the famous monkey trial..and of course Hollywood made that one linger on. Well my family tree descends supposedly from Japeth in the biblesome say Japeth was jewish, I do not know and I do not care for the word Jew was unheard of when Japeth livedmy mother kept family records and we went to Charlegmagne and I can prove my pedigreethen easy matter to take you family tree righ to bible but most people did not keep records. So Noah built an Ark.all the seeds of life were upon it. Now it seems Darwin could never answer the old question which came first, the chicken or the egg.well I always thought someone had a different recipie for each of the species and there was a purpose for every living thing - to me trees are living beautiful masterpieces. So Darwin - bet he did not have a family tree that amounted to much.for nobody really knows the mysteries of life, in the beginning and who created God.but it was, Eden's garden wasnt it ? Well as my uncle used to say "I'll be a monkey's Uncle"..old masonic quote I think. Darwin still has a theory...I can go out in my back yard and look at the moon and sun - and wonder how old are you and who put you there.my Uncles monkey hanging from a familiy tree where someone got in the wrong garden? Saba June - which came first, the chicken or the egg..no chicken, no egg - no egg, no chickenbut the recipie is in the egg carrying a dna - so you mate a horse and a donkey, you get a mulegood for plowing fields - and not so stuborn, but very stupid from what I have been told A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] GUN OWNERS PLEASE READ --Police pull gun law support --- Alberta officers say Ottawa broke promises
Dear Reader, Thank God I live in Alberta. Alberta is the one rebel province in confederation. I suppose much as Texas or Alabama could be considered to be in the good ol' US of A. The Fed's in Ottawa about five years ago began their diabolical drive to surreptitiously disarm Canadians en masse. This gradual disarming has not been officially announced as an agenda by the goverment but, hey, who are we kidding here? Certainly not ourselves. The law in effect at this point is a gun registration requirement. This is for each and every gun. All gun owners must register their guns no later than Jan 1, 2003. Recently I saw on television a government payed for commercial that was rather intimidating to gun owners basically inferring heavy handed police tactics, large fines, jail time and a criminal record to those who do not comply. We all know that those who do register their guns are really registering for gun confiscation in the end. Does anyone seriously believe a criminal will register his weapon prior to a bank robbery? As good fortune has it Alberta has been against Bill C-68 since its beginings. The one beautiful thing about our Canadian constitution is the "notwithstanding clause". There is no 2nd amendment here. Gun ownership is a priviledge. But the notwithstanding clause allows my province and other provinces, to tell the Fed's to screw off and the law in this province will not stand. Period.My province has rattled that sabre before to the Fed's. In the news article that follows, it looks like soon it might be coming to a head. It's not often you see the police sticking up for the gun rights of law abiding citizens. God bless Alberta, :o) Mike Smith Friday 1 September 2000 Police pull gun law support Alberta officers say Ottawa broke promises Emma Poole, Calgary Herald Rank and file police officers in Calgary and Edmonton will withdraw their backing of Ottawa's gun control registry today -- a move they hope will spark opposition to the controversial law from departments across Canada. "Alberta is putting a resolution forward that is to withdraw support for Bill C-68," said Calgary Police Association president Al Koenig. "The Alberta federation feels that the gun legislation promises made by the federal government have not been kept." The provincial association will vote against the controversial registration at the Canadian Police Association's annual meeting being held in Halifax until Saturday. If a majority of provinces vote against the legislation, the Canadian association, which represents front-line officers across the country, will withdraw its support. "The gun registry as it sits right now is causing law abiding citizens to register their guns but it does nothing to take one illegal gun off the street or to increase any type of penalty for anybody that violates any part of the legislation," said Koenig. But supporters of the legislation -- which requires firearms owners to obtain licences by Jan. 1, 2003 -- say if the association pulls its support it will surely send a message to criminals that law enforcement in Canada doesn't care about gun activity. "Gun registration will provide vital safety information to police officers and be a very valuable tool in detecting stolen or smuggled firearms and prosecuting related crimes," said Emile Therien, president of the Canadian Safety Council. "We're talking public safety here." Therien is confused that the association would reconsider its gun control position after five years of support for the legislation. This isn't the first time a provincial association has challenged the legislation at a national meeting. Last year in Regina, delegates from Saskatchewan called on the federal group to withdraw its support for the gun registry, The Firearms Act, passed in 1995, requires gun owners to obtain licences by the end of this year and register each firearm by the beginning of 2003. The Quebec delegation has already stepped forward and declared its support for the registration. On Thursday, the group reaffirmed it would be voting for the legislation and feels it is an important aspect of firearms control. "Registration of firearms and licensing of their owners are essential for the protection of both public and police officers against unfortunate accidents, domestic violence and other tragedies," said Quebec's police association president Yves Prud'Homme. The Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police is in full support of gun registration and supports the registry fully, said Calgary police deputy Chief Rick Hanson. But Koenig said there are just too many bogus issues in the current legislation for the association to support it any longer. "When we find that nothing is being done as far as protecting citizens and protecting officers then the focus of this legislation is going the wron
Re: [CTRL] What Ted Turner omitted
- Original Message - From: "Aleisha Saba" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] What Ted Turner omitted Okay Dale, I am sorry I called Ted Turner a drunken bum. I'm not so sure I'd be as quick as you to appologize. Revelation 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. Considering Ted Turner is one of the worlds richest men, considering that he addressed the U.N., considering he last month donated over ONE BILLION dollars to the U.N., who's not so say he's not a future "king" on earth. He certainly seems to be striving in that direction. Mike Smith
[CTRL] No parental permission needed for abortions, but req'd for baptism???
Just when I'd thought I'd heard it all... this happens. The law of the land in America (and perhaps my nation of Canada??) says that parental consent is NOT needed for Teens aka KIDS to get an abortion. A surgical procedure no less, yet the law FORBIDS that same person from being splashed with mere water in the name of Jesus Christ? I can only say that when I read things like this it... "only serves to confirm my suspicions that I'm still a man in need of a savior" ~ DC Talk ~ What a sick, perverse world we live in! Mike Smith http://www.mcjonline.com/news/00b/2830c.htm Police Investigate Church That Baptized Under-Age Youth Woburn, MA (MCNS) -- A church that has previously been accused of baptizing under-age youth without their parents' permission is now under investigation for pornography. Police carted away boxloads of evidence on Friday August 25. Among the items taken from Anchor Baptist Church in Woburn were baptismal gowns, photographs of baptisms, songbooks and documents, The Boston Herald reported. "We preach against it [pornography], and that is a principle of ours," Assistant Pastor Duaine Phillips told the Boston Globe, which also reported on the investigation. "If there were any incident even tentatively close to it, we would be more interested in finding out the truth than anyone." There appeared to be no warning before the warrant was served and no charges have been filed. The congregation stands behind its pastor, Chris Pledger, who in 1996 was investigated for baptizing under-age youth. Anchor Baptist church was packed on Sunday following the police raid. "The pastor is a man of God, walks with integrity and is a man of dignity," one member told WCVB-Television reporter Cara Birrittieri. In the earlier case, Pledger was charged with luring youth from housing projects to the church with the promise of candy and basketball games, the Boston Herald reported. When children arrived at the church, they were asked to change into baptismal robes and be baptized, but could decline, the paper added. Anchor Baptist has a large bus ministry. Church officials conceded that at one time some youth may have been baptized without parental permission, but agreed to enforce a policy that would prevent that in the future. Parents had specifically complained that youth were asked to change into the nylon baptismal robes although they were allowed to do so in privacy, the Boston Globe reported. Some of the youth wore pants, but others stripped naked under the robes, one parent told the Globe. Middlesex District Attorney Martha Coakley declined to comment on the current investigation. She also headed the 1996 inquiry. © 2000 Maranatha Christian News Service (Post date: August 30, 2000)
Re: [CTRL] : THE PEOPLE VS LARRY FLYNT: A FEMINIST CRITIQUE AND
Flynttake him or leave him same goes for his filth. But i must admit at least someone has an "@$$h0le of the month" article. :o) Mike Smith - Original Message - From: "Aleisha Saba" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 4:42 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] : THE PEOPLE VS LARRY FLYNT: A FEMINIST CRITIQUE AND snip So Flynt always was an ugly man...researchers grasped at anyone who would listen in those days - but Mark Lane, CIA lawyer, seems - well he was at Jonestown? And he alone got away to write a book. A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Wormwood - revelations
Revelation 8 10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; 11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter. I think it might pertain more to Chernobyl than a national forrest. I saw a documentary some time ago that shot some film footage in and around some of the evacuated zone surrounding Chernobyl. Not only does wormwood the plant grow there, but Chernobyl just happens to be named after it. Wormwood translated into Ukrainian is in fact "Chernobyl". Coincedence? The Chernobyl power plant is still producing electricity to this day. Its sarcophagus built to contain radiation is crumbling to pieces. I wonder if there will be a next time? Mike Smith - Original Message - From: C. Ray Talania To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 7:48 AM Subject: [CTRL] Wormwood Greetings, My first post. Question : Does Wormwood in Revelations equate to Bitterroot National Forest? Just wondering... C. Ray Talania
Re: [CTRL] I have to ask this
I cheered and laffed my ass of at that. not bcuz of the attempt as you say. But being canadian i like every black eye one of our Gov't institutions gets. Mike Smith I doubt anybody will respond, but I have to ask this. Do any of you cheer when you hear stories like the one about all that marijuana found on the Canadian military trucks? Yes, the smuggle failed, but do you cheer because of the attempt? I have to admit -- honestly -- I root for the smugglers and boo customs and border patrols every time they make a bust. I just had to get that off my chest. If any narcs are reading, I'd just like to say hello as a show of sportsmanship. :-\ Ty A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Twisted: Open letter to Bill Gates. OR. How fucked up ARE Libertarians.
Well that is all fine and grand. But I PERSONALLY caught Bill Gates's Microsoft in a DELIBERATE I REPEAT DELIBERATE act of comsumer fraud. I tried to mitigate the matter prior to legal action but was "brushed off" until I felt it necessary to SUE Microsoft. Since that time I initiated legal proceedings Microsoft I have been THREATENED by Microsoft that I will be SUED by them as recompense for their time and money spent. My suggestion to you Mr. Bill-Lover would be that when Microsoft writes an application that can draw blood from a stone, you should invest heavily in Microsoft stock! To sue me for legal expenses...rofl I'm still saving up for a pot to piss in! What is the consumer fraud I make allegations of? In the End Users Licence Agreement that ships with MS Flight Simulator 2000 it states in section 6 that if the original media (ie: the CDrom it came on) is necessary to play/use the software, the end user (ME) may make a copy of it for the strict purposes of "archival and back-up". Well guess what? MicroSHAFT incorporated a new form of CDrom encryption so that any copy (burned CDrom) that you try to use is REJECTED by the game as an "incorrect CDrom", CONTRARY to my rights granted to me under the End Users Licence Agreement. If it doesn't work, it's not a TRUE back-up! This act of consumer fraud was effectual BEFORE I even left the store I bought the game at! Before I even removed the shrink wrapping. In other words this fraud was PREMEDITATED!!! Last night their lawyer left me a message on my answering machine with an out of court settlement offer. This offer I am not at liberty to discuss because part of the offer included a Non-Disclosure Agreement, and it would be rather imprudent of me to say anything at this point that might jeopardize my case against them. I replied to their lawyer that he should fax me the wording of this non-disclosure agreement as I am reluctant to waive my right of freedom of speech. So the matter is still in limbo at present. To prove that I am suing them and to PROVE that they are wanting me to be SILENT about the potentially damaging evidence I have on them I will say this much: 1) The court docket number for the case of Michael C. Smith v. Microsoft Canada Co. is P0090104280 This is in the Province of Alberta, Canada, and in the city of Calgary. This is a matter of public record and anyone can verify this info is indeed true. 2) Their lawyer is Colin Feasby [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the lawfirm of Osler, Hoskin Harcourt. You can ask him yourself if I'm suing Microsoft. 3) Our next court date is 9:30 am Sept 1st. Court room 202. 603 6th Ave. SW Calgary, Alberta T2P 0T3 Your invited to attend me slamming your "boyfriend" Bill Gates. ;) The fact of the matter remains that the man and company you love Soo much has been caught in a CRIMINAL act of fraud, although I preferred to take them on in civil litigation. It is still a CRIMINAL act! When they want a non-disclosure agreement I know they're running scared that this will make it to trial and besmirch their name.God Forbid it could even set a PRECEDENT!!! When those crooks offer an out of court settlement to a blue collar high school dropout when they posses billions of dollars to hire the brightest legal minds in the land you know they're scared and have their backs to the wall. They know they got caught and they know they've already lost! You can always count on Microsoft to do thie right thing but only after they've exhausted every other possibility. Do you still see Bill Microshaft in the same light? Mike Smith - Original Message - From: "Nurev Ind Research" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 5:48 PM Subject: [CTRL] Twisted: Open letter to Bill Gates. OR. How fucked up ARE Libertarians. In Defense of Individual Rights www.CapitalismMagazine.com An Open Letter to Bill Gates By David Holcberg The Justice Department committed a grave injustice against you, Bill Gates. Your crime was to be too ambitious and too successful in a society riddled with envy. You were condemned for your ability, which made you stand out from the crowd. The wealth you own is the measure of the wealth you produced. Every dollar you own was given to you in exchange for a product you created and offered in the market. You never pointed a gun at others or used force to compel them to buy your products. You set your terms and let them free to accept them or walk away. The companies and customers that dealt with you, did so by a voluntary decision based on their own self-interest. Speaking for myself, I think I got a bargain from you. I have been using Windows for the last six years to learn, wo
Re: [CTRL] WARNING! Control of Canada's water yielded to the U.S. by NAFTA
But Canada had no obligation to export its water--only to refrain from imposing duties on imported American water. Exactly! If it isn't for sale no goverment can complain. Let em' go dry for all I care. A Proud Canuck, Mike Smith A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] From Bad to Worse
Pardon me for me inserting my two bits of opinion on an american election from a non-american stand point. I really don't think it matters who gets voted in. The end result will be the same although one president might make it more expedient than the other. The end result WILL BE the same. ...now to digress I realize that there are Christians, theists of various beliefs and atheists on this list. I mean to offend nobody. However, I simply cannot seem to escape the fact that so much of circumstance around us in the world today regarding a new world order (more aptly termed one world governance) seems to mirror biblical prophesy in the book of revelations. I keep reading posts to the effect of "fight and save America while we still can". Look people, that's NOT gonna happen. Not in your lifetime nor mine. I suppose one could even say it's preordained or prophesied. I am sorry to rain on your 4th of July parade, but there will be no saving of America no matter how many guns you have stashed. God's word will prevail. Mike Smith - Original Message - From: "Alamaine" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 2:35 PM Subject: [CTRL] From Bad to Worse From http://www.newsmax.com/commentmax/articles/Diane_Alden.shtml }}Begin CommentMax Republicans Are Bad, but Democrats Are Worse Diane Alden August 4, 2000 The reason I will vote for Republicans this fall is because the alternative is not only worse, it is dangerous. Perhaps that is not a principled Stand, but it is the best I can do. Since the country cannot survive four years of Al Gore and the consequences he would bring down on American heads with his statist- collectivist agenda, there is not much choice. You can vote for Ralph Nader or Pat Buchanan or Harry Browne, but realistically none of them has a chance. If Al Gore were elected because of a split vote, the divisiveness of extreme leftist-collectivist Big Brotherism would kill America. This country is so polarized now that it will take a gifted leader or leaders to put it back together again. There is no doubt in my mind that if Gore gets in and the Democrats take over one or both houses of Congress, the Republic, what is left of it, will be finished. We are not talking partisan, Democrat versus Republican, here; we are talking about the fate of the Republic. Unfortunately, the fascist left now controls the once great and good Democratic Party. Oh, life will go on in the United States, but there will come a day when we will wake up and we will not have the country where liberty lives. The Bill of Rights for all intents and purposes will cease to exist. We will no longer be a Republic; we will be a mob-ocracy with benevolent dictators at the helm and an emasculated and frightened opposition incapable of preventing the worst abuses in the growing trend toward a corporate police state. If Bush is elected and the Republicans keep both houses of Congress, perhaps we will have breathing room to develop a long-term answer to the growth of the state and its abuse of power. His election will only give us breathing room - that is all it will do. What is worrisome is the talk from the Bush-Cheney camp that in a future Bush administration the Republicans will reach across the aisle to the Democrats. A bipartisan group hug will be in order to do the people's business. The people's business, however, requires only one thing - for government to get out of the way and to re-establish the Bill of Rights and the Constitution as the law of the land. The Republicans don't need to reach across the aisle. They have been there and done that and compromised every single principle they stood for. They fail to realize that the Democrats fight a war in which there is no compromise. The sole option they offer is total agreement to growing government and restraining or ending liberty. The only reaching across the aisle Republicans need to do is to yank the rug out from under the statist Democrats and their Republican fellow travelers. One must ask the question, what could possibly make any self-respecting, conservative Republican become so totally obsessed with power, image or the shallow approval of the media or the left that it sells its conservative soul. Politicians on the left do not care about conservative concerns, nor do they intend to compromise on any issue. They understand that it is an ideological war they are fighting, and its only conclusion is the obliteration and unconditional surrender of the other side. They are good at it. The last couple of years in Congress, Democrats - along with the Clinton administration - have shown they are good at winning political warfare. Their agenda, with few exceptions, has been passed and funded. Yet the Republicans still haven't figured out this is a war, and they scratch their heads hoping no one will notice and criticize them for not
Re: [CTRL] From Bad to Worse
- Original Message - From: "Ynr Chyldz Wyld" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] From Bad to Worse From: "Mike Smith" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I keep reading posts to the effect of "fight and save America while we still can". Look people, that's NOT gonna happen. Not in your lifetime nor mine. I suppose one could even say it's preordained or prophesied. I am sorry to rain on your 4th of July parade, but there will be no saving of America no matter how many guns you have stashed. So we're all just supposed to sit back and do nothing? I guess you've never heard the common saying "God helps those who help themselves." June That's an interesting point. I'm sure during the great biblical flood many people tried swimming in order to "help themselves" survive. I don't think God helped them out now did He? Should we do nothing about it? That's not something I'd suggest to anyone. I would however suggest people be prepared for their inevitable defeat. Mike Smith A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] From Bad to Worse
- Original Message - From: "nessie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] From Bad to Worse [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: The Master Plan IS the bible Jews say it is the Torah. Muslims say it is the Koran. Hindus say it is the Bahgavagita. Buddhists say it is the Pali Sutras. Biologists say it is Origin of Species. Communists say it is Das Kapital. They can't all be right. Why should I believe any of them? How right you are. They can't all be right. That's not to say that they're all wrong either. There can only be one version of the truth. Mike Smith A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] From Bad to Worse
- Original Message - From: "Bob Stokes" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] From Bad to Worse In a message dated 00-08-06 03:26:09 EDT, Mike Smith writes: I keep reading posts to the effect of "fight and save America while we still can". Look people, that's NOT gonna happen. Not in your lifetime nor mine. I suppose one could even say it's preordained or prophesied. I am sorry to rain on your 4th of July parade, but there will be no saving of America no matter how many guns you have stashed. Should I presume you are from England or Australia since they have given up their guns and made themselves defenseless against their government? I can't speak for everyone on this list, nor can I speak for most people on this list, but I can tell you we are Americans. We won't sit idle and watch our liberty be taken from us without a fight. Talking does little to protect freedom, action is required. Our Constitution gives us the right to end our government and start over should the present government become an untenable tyranny. The United States was formed because we were oppressed by the Monarch of our country and fought and won our freedom, not by talking but by fighting. Speaking of gun politics you're close. I am Canadian. We have very restrictive gun laws here that do nothing but disarm (in time) law abiding gun owners whilst leaving the criminal element to terrorize the populous. We need an N.R.A. Your nation was born out of bloodshed. It's something Americans pride themselves on. There's nothing wrong with overthrowing tyranny in my mind. One however must remember that to live by the sword is to die by the sword. You seem to have a defeatist attitude and it is doubtful you would have the stomach to end a tyranny. When the criminals in Congress decide to forcibly remove arms from the hands of private citizens that is when many Americans will have had their fill of the fascist state. I'd call it a realistic attitude and please don't infer me to be a coward. I simply don't see the point in blasting away at the inevitable gun collection agent(s) who will one day walk up your sidewalk to ring on your doorbell. Unless of course you'd already picked that day to die and wanted to take a few of them out with you. Besides a little gratification it accomplishes nothing but to further the inevitable gun confiscation and have more draconian gun laws legislated. I'm sure everytime there is another school shooting the politicians rejoice privately while send public condolences. And by the way, I wouldn't talk about American readiness to fight tyranny. For instance my fellow compatriots were fighting and DYING in two world wars long before Americans entered the war(s). Whoo hoo! America came in WWI in the last friggin year. In WWII they had to be attacked before they could work up enough adrenalin to get up courage to fight and enter the war. Ya ya... sure sure.. you guys are ready to fight. But only when it suits you. (or rather the elite who sends you off to die) You can expect America to do the right thing but only after they've exhausted every other possibility. ~ Winston Churchill~ Most of us are not so naïve to believe that government will listen to our cries for freedom. Government is Force, excessive use of Force; the only way to overcome force is by more force. Government has two choices, either return freedom, or relinquish control of the Republic. Regards, Bob Stokes And you think I believe that my cries for freedom have any effect of deaf tyrannical ears? Not in the least. I'm not naive enough to think that. I'm also not naive enough to believe that Joe Paycheck and his 30-30 are gong to make a difference in stopping the New World Order. Sure... you'll kill a few of them, but that's all it will accomplish. You've got me all wrong Mr. Stokes. I'm not afraid to fight back at the system. Allow me to clarify. I would very much like to be a thorn in the govt's side. The difference between you and I in this regard is that you think you can win. I beleive the NWO is inevitable but that should not stop me from throwing as many obstacles in their way as I can. IOW You fight back to win. (which you wont) I fight back just to piss them off. (it does) Mike Smith A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust de
[CTRL] Let the CARNIVORE choke on its MEAT!!!
Dear Reader, As most of us are now aware, the FBI has an electronic Big Brother device it can attach to Internet Sevice Providers to monitor e-mails and other types of inbound/outbound traffic. This insidious machine is named "carnivore" because it is supposed to get to the "meat" of it. In other words, the machine, (alleged to be a windows 2000 computer) parses internet traffic looking for certainkeywords.These keywords would then beflagged. The more keywords, and the higher the occurance, the higher priority given to a flagged e-mail for instance. These high priority flagged e-mails no doubt in the end, have to be reviewed by a human. That costs the FBI time, manpower and money. It is my belief that we, the subscribers to these e-mail lists and news groups are the peoplewho care about goverment intrusion, the new world order as well as other insidous intrusions by the "elite". Most people I know would rather be pacified by the survivor tv show than fight for justice. I also believe that many of us are boiling inside to act out in civil disobedience but don't know how or when to protest. Well my fellow resistors, (the squeemish need not apply) this is what I think can send the FBI a very strong message. But I need your help. No it isn't writing some fat assed congressman or senator, it's exploiting carnivore's weak spot. Carnivore takes in staggering amounts of information. The system simply can't filter through it all. So as I said above, it parses for keywords. That is its point of exploition. What needs to be done is this: 1) Send this e-mail to every "sympathetic to the cause" person you know. 2) Be prepared to have the FBI look into your life, or perhaps the IRS. (if you have nothing to hide/loose...great!) I'm canadian so they can't touch me...lol 3) Create a few different web based free email accounts. 5 would be a good number. Try and pick a provocative e-mail name. [EMAIL PROTECTED]for instance. The sender/recipient names might also be parsed too for keywords. Pick e-mail accounts that have their server on american soil for best results. 4) E-mail letters to all of your new e-mail accounts. Then forward them back and forth. Include "quote original" so that every generation has a greater occurance ofthe keywords that trigger carnivore's appetite for "meat". Eventually you should get noticed by the system. And with enough of us we should be able to bog down the system to a crawl to the point that the FBI will no longer be able to discern the gibberish from the genuine McCoy. Try e-mailing the Whitehouse using nothing but keywords so there's no threat implied. That will get you noticed by carnivore. Some suggested keywords are: bomb, gun, allah, kill, president, nerve gas, assasination, grenade, missle, clinton, reno, bush, gore, explosion, well you get the idea but don't forget there's a war on drugs. coke, herion, pot, deal, transaction, etc etc It's the same principal that "mafiaboy" kid did a few months back grinding down those websites. EXCEPT this PREFECTLY LEGAL! You see, mafiaboy controled and used many computers to flood these servers. We in unison with our computers could do the same thing. Why was his a crime but this legal? Simply put, he deliberately targeted those websites in violation of the law. He flooded them. The difference in legality here is that we would not be targeting anything besides one of our own e-mail addresses. No crime there. And it certainly isn't our fault if by excersizing our right of freedon of speech, the FBI's carnivore can't keep up with the flow of high priority data is it? So my fellow civil-disobedients, is anyone up for it? :o) Mike Smith
