[CTRL] 400 scientists challenge claims by Al Gore and the UN about man-made global warming
-Caveat Lector- http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20071221/NATION/844993096SearchID=73303243836665 Article published Dec 21, 2007 Scientists doubt climate change December 21, 2007 By S.A. Miller - More than 400 scientists challenge claims by former Vice President Al Gore and the United Nations about the threat of man-made global warming, a new Senate minority report says. The scientists - many of whom are current or former members of the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) that shares the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize with Mr. Gore for publicizing a climate crisis - cast doubt on the scientific consensus that man-made global warming imperils the planet. I find the Doomsday picture Al Gore is painting - a six-meter sea level rise, 15 times the IPCC number - entirely without merit, said Dutch atmospheric scientist Hendrik Tennekes, one of the researchers quoted in the report by Republican staff of the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee. I protest vigorously the idea that the climate reacts like a home heating system to a changed setting of the thermostat: just turn the dial, and the desired temperature will soon be reached, Mr. Tennekes said in the report. Sen. James M. Inhofe of Oklahoma, ranking Republican on the Environment and Public Works Committee, said the report debunks Mr. Gore's claim that the debate is over. The endless claims of a 'consensus' about man-made global warming grow less-and-less credible every day, he said. After a quick review of the report, Gore spokeswoman Kalee Kreider said 25 or 30 of the scientists may have received funding from Exxon Mobil Corp. Exxon Mobil spokesman Gantt H. Walton dismissed the accusation, saying the company is concerned about climate-change issues and does not pay scientists to bash global-warming theories. Recycling of that kind of discredited conspiracy theory is nothing more than a distraction from the real challenge facing society and the energy industry, he said. And that challenge is how are we going to provide the energy needed to support economic and social development while reducing greenhouse-gas emissions. The Republican report comes on the heels of Saturday's United Nations climate conference in Bali, Indonesia, where conferees adopted a plan to negotiate a new pact to create verifiable measurements to fight global warming in two years. In the Senate report, environmental scientist David W. Schnare of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency said he was skeptical because conclusions about the cause of the apparent warming stand on the shoulders of incredibly uncertain data and models. ... As a policy matter, one has to be less willing to take extreme actions when data are highly uncertain. The hundreds of others in the report - climatologists, oceanographers, geologists, glaciologists, physicists and paleoclimatologists - voice varying degrees of criticism of the popular global-warming theory. Their testimony challenges the idea that the climate-change debate is settled and runs counter to the claim that the number of skeptical scientists is dwindling. The report's authors expect some of the scientists will recant their remarks under intense pressure from the public and from within professional circles to conform to the global-warming theory, a committee staffer said. Several scientists in the report said many colleagues share their skepticism about man-made climate change but don't speak out publicly for fear of retribution, according to the report. Many of my colleagues with whom I spoke share these views and report on their inability to publish their skepticism in the scientific or public media, atmospheric scientist Nathan Paldor, professor of Dynamical Meteorology and Physical Oceanography at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, said in the report. The IPCC has about 2,500 members. HEATED DEBATE The following are comments from some of the more than 400 scientists in a Republican report on global warming: .Even if the concentration of 'greenhouse gases' double, man would not perceive the temperature impact. Oleg Sorochtin of the Institute of Oceanology at the Russian Academy of Sciences .I find the Doomsday picture Al Gore is painting - a six-meter sea level rise, 15 times the [U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] number - entirely without merit. ... I protest vigorously the idea that the climate reacts like a home heating system to a changed setting of the thermostat: just turn the dial, and the desired temperature will soon be reached. Atmospheric scientist Hendrik Tennekes, former research director at the Netherlands' Royal National Meteorological Institute .The hypothesis that solar variability and not human activity is warming the oceans goes a long way to explain the puzzling idea that the Earth's surface may be
Re: [CTRL] Cattle are the biggest source of global warming, producing more greenhouse gases than cars!
-Caveat Lector- Man made global warming is a hoax. The sun makes the variation. Sooner or later we shall have a new ice age. Yours, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark - Original Message - From: Eric Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CTRL@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 8:32 AM Subject: [CTRL] Cattle are the biggest source of global warming, producing more greenhouse gases than cars! -Caveat Lector- Summary: This report aims to assess the full impact of the livestock sector on environmental problems, along with potential technical and policy approaches to mitigation. The assessment is based on the most recent and complete data available, taking into account direct impacts, along with the impacts of feed crop agriculture required for livestock production. The livestock sector emerges as one of the top two or three most significant contributors to the most serious environmental problems, at every scale from local to global. The findings of this report suggest that it should be a major policy focus when dealing with problems of land degradation, climate change and air pollution, water shortage and water pollution, and loss of biodiversity. Livestock?s contribution to environmental problems is on a massive scale and its potential contribution to their solution is equally large. The impact is so significant that it needs to be addressed with urgency. Major reductions in impact could be achieved at reasonable cost. Livestock's Long Shadow http://www.virtualcentre.org/en/library/key_pub/longshad/A0701E00.htm * Juxtaposeur http://eeng.net/CS/blogs/smileycoyote/default.aspx http://www.myspace.com/decompartmentalized www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceâ?not soap-boxingâ?please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'â?with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâ?is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Tattooed satanist gets life in jail for raping girl (full article)
-Caveat Lector- http://www.theherald.co.za/herald/2004/01/14/news/n17_14012004.htm Tattooed satanist gets life in jail for raping girl Report by Sapa Pretoria A JUDGE sentenced a Pretoria tattoo artist to life imprisonment plus 60 years yesterday, which was also his 40th birthday, for abducting, raping, indecently assaulting and torturing a seven-year-old girl and her two brothers. Acting Judge Lettie Malope sentenced Robbie Classen, who sports tattoos over most of his body to life imprisonment for raping the young girl. He was also sentenced to 60 years imprisonment on nine charges of abduction, indecent assault and assault relating to a series of incidents in 2000 when the girl and her brothers, aged 9 and 11, were abducted and taken to various places in Pretoria. The judge ordered that some of the sentences run concurrently. The girl testified that Classen had not only abducted and raped her, but had also assaulted and molested her, tied her to a pole and to a cross and forced her to smoke and eat cockroaches. She claimed to have seen him murder several children in front of her while she was tied to the cross like Jesus Christ and that he had taught her to practise astral projection. Her brothers testified Classen had on various occasions abducted them, tied them up and sodomised them. They said he had forced them to smoke and to eat spiders and snakes. They testified about a skeleton in a cupboard which could be brought to life. All three children testified that Classen had repeatedly threatened to kill them and their mother if they said anything about the rituals and molestation. He was eventually arrested after the children told a school psychologist and their mother about their horror ordeal. Mrs Malope said although some of the childrens evidence sounded improbable, this was clarified by the evidence of a police occult expert, who said children who had been exposed to the occult as the three victims had often tended to exaggerate and fantasise. She emphasised that all three children had met Classen before the incidents and had positively identified him as the man who had raped and sodomised them. Classen also admitted to knowing the children and testified that he had even played rugby with the boys. There could be no question of mistaken identity. All of the children had also identified Classen from photographs of the tattoos on his private parts. Medical evidence corroborated the childrens claims that they had been raped and sodomised. The judge said inconsistencies in the childrens evidence were understandable as they were all young, testified two years after the incidents, had been traumatised by the events and were all intellectually impaired to some extent. One was in a special school and the others attended classes for children with learning difficulties. Classen had a long list of previous convictions for drug-related crimes and had spent time in jail for robbery. Mrs Malope said it was clear he had not rehabilitated himself, despite being given several opportunities and even spending time in a rehabilitation centre for his mandrax addiction. She refused Classen leave to appeal. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Israeli/Zionist Attack On Our National Anthem
-Caveat Lector- Regarding the Mohammed-Cartoons this writer mentions: "Danish" anti-Muslim cartoon scandal, which was created by an Ukranian Jew who had immigrated to Denmark." That is not correct. The cartoons were published in the largest newspaper in Denmark. It is not zionist, although the cultural editor Flemming Rose, who published the cartoons, has jewishancestors coming fra Ukraine. I have met Flemming Rose. He is a good guy. He works for freedom of speach. We are up against the dark forces of islam. Islam is evil. The upper-class jews in Denmark, have however been pro-islam in immigration matters. Yours, Ole Gerstrom, former MP Denmark - Original Message - From: Bill Shannon To: CTRL@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 5:39 AM Subject: [CTRL] The Israeli/Zionist Attack On Our National Anthem -Caveat Lector- http://www.rense.com/general70/zzin.htm The Israeli Zionist Attack On Our National AnthemBy Christopher Bollyn5-1-6 As soon as CNN reported that an Adam Kidron, CEO of Urban Box Office, is the producer of the so-called Spanish-version of the U.S. national anthem, I noted that the "British-born music impresario" must be an Israeli, based on his surname. This so-called Spanish version of the U.S. National Anthem is clearly meant to provoke Americans. This is a very similar scandal to the recent "Danish" anti-Muslim cartoon scandal, which was created by an Ukranian Jew who had immigrated to Denmark. Once again, the person behind the cultural offense is a Zionist Jew with an agenda. The cartoons were an offense against every Muslim, while this ridiculous and offensive song, a so-called rendition of OUR national anthem, is an offense aimed at the heart of every American. This Kidron must be an Israeli, I said. Kidron is, after all, an Israeli name. The action and the name are classic Israeli, therefore, an Israeli is all he possibly could be, I said. Sure enough, Adam Kidron, the foreign-born anti-American agent provocateur is an Israeli national. Both of his parents lived in Zionist-occupied Palestine and/or Israel (post 1948). This makes him an Israeli national, whether he carries the Israeli passport or not. He may be "British-born," but in the case of Adam Kidron this description is only used by the Zionist-controlled press as a way to deceive the public and hide his Israeli roots. Adam Kidron is the son of Michael Kidron and Nina Gluckstein, two Jewish communists who were part of the Zionist invasion of Palestine, the Holy Land. Michael is described as a "revolutionary socialist" who was born September 20, 1930 in Capetown, South Africa, and who died, apparently in Britain, on March 25, 2003. After finishing high school in Tel Aviv, Adam's father went to Hebrew University. From an "ardently Zionist family," Michael became "a socialist and an internationalist, and he continued to be both, inseparably, for the rest of his life," The Times (UK) wrote in 2003. The Times wrote that Michael corresponded with "one unhappy prostitute" who was "enchanted by his generous concern." She frequently phoned him for advice, the Times reported. He left his wife in the early 1980s and "lived with Polly" from 1991, with whom he had twins. Michael's daughter, Adam's sister Beeban, may have used her father as the subject of her 1993 film, "Hookers Hustlers Pimps and their Johns." The Guardian (UK) described him as "a Marxist theorist, an agitator," As Michael Kidron's obituary in The Times (London, April 2, 2003) wrote: "Michael Kidron was the youngest of seven children born to Cape Town Jews. The
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [cia-drugs] George W. Bush is 60 on 6/6/06 - wrong
-Caveat Lector- You see Kris, I know because the bastard cheated in the row and got in, in front of me. I was born on 12 July 1946. Yours, Ole Gerstrom - Original Message - From: Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CTRL@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:58 PM Subject: [CTRL] Fwd: [cia-drugs] George W. Bush is 60 on 6/6/06 - wrong -Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:52:24 -0500 Subject: Re: [cia-drugs] George W. Bush is 60 on 6/6/06 - wrong Absolutly correct. That's what I get for passing something on before checking for sure. Please excuse. June and July are not the same. Peace, K -Original Message- From: Ole Gerstrøm [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 16:19:19 +0100 Subject: Re: [cia-drugs] George W. Bush is 60 on 6/6/06 - wrong Wrong. George W. Bush was born 6. July 1946. So he will be 60 on 6. July 2006, 07/06/06. Yours, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 10:39 PM Subject: Re: [cia-drugs] George W. Bush is 60 on 6/6/06 It means George W was born on June 6th sixty years ago. Is he or isn't he ; In a message dated 3/24/06 1:24:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The link didn't work! I wanted to read the article! So what does this mean? That George Bush is the Anti-Christ? 666 ? I thought the Anti-Christ was going to be Latin as in Spanish, French, Italian, Portugese, etc. So George Bush is a Gemini? Will the Anti-Christ be a Gemini? Just wondering! Gemini does have 6 letters in its name. James Partsch-Galvan www.galvan.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just thought you might find it interesting. Peace, K Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM SPONSORED LINKS United state bankruptcy court western district of texas United state life insurance United state patent United state patent search United states patent office United state flag YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group cia-drugs on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceâ?not soap-boxingâ?please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'â?with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâ?is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe
[CTRL] To Mike from Dallas
-Caveat Lector- Dear Mike, I have read your reports for years. I find them extremely valuable. It is with sadness, I hear about your health situation. When it becomes necessary, you could turn you work and material over to a successor. Or drop me a package. Yours, Ole Gerstrom Bakkevej 7 DK-2950 Vedbaek Denmark - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; ctrl@listserv.aol.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 8:52 PM Subject: [RobotsRebellion2] RE: FORTY EIGHT FAMILIES OF VAMPIRES Somebody suggested that my take on things might be something as exotic as the JEWS and the PLUTOCRATS. I wish it were that simplistic. No actually it comes from 16 years of research that WILLIAM COOPER started me on back in 1990. God rest his soul. The following information comes from the following books. If you have the time between your brain dead e-mails. The BIGGEST SECRET David Icke CHILDREN of the MATRIX David Icke Pandora's Box Volume One Alex Christopher Pandora's Box Volume Two Alex Christopher The Prince and the Paranormal John Dale They Cast No Shadows Brian Desborough Genesis of the Grail King Laurence Gardner Bloodline of the Holy Grail Laurence Gardner Realm of the Ring Lords Laurence Gardner The Dragon Race Nicholas De Vere And hundreds of others. Including personal interviews with selected members of the FRENCH ROYAL FAMILY. Who have ordered me not to reveal their names. And have issued me death threats if I do reveal anything. So here is the crux of the matter. The United States is NOT A COUNTRY. It is an ILLUMINATI ARTIFICIAL STATE. And is in reality a SECRET CORPORATION. The SECRET CORPORATION has STOCKHOLDERS. The STOCKHOLDERS are 48 FAMILIES of EUROPEAN BLACK NOBILITY who live in ENGLAND. ( I have a complete list of their names ). And furthermore. That at least 1/2 of these BLACK NOBILITY FAMILIES are VAMPIRES. Yes VAMPIRES. I have over 500 references to this condition from MEDICAL JOURNALS all over planet earth. Many come from the BRITISH MEDICAL JOURNAL. The best is from JANUARY 13 1968 BRITISH MEDICAL JOURNAL a 75 page article entitled VAMPIRISM: THE ROYAL MALADY. You see the medical community has attached a medical term to the condition known as VAMPIRISM and WEREWOLFISM. The geneticists call it VARIEGATE PORPHYRIA. Those with this condition HAVE TO DRINK BLOOD and CANNOT GO OUT IN THE DAYLIGHT. I have over 5 notebooks of data on this. And they are big notebooks. Enough of this bullshit. I've gone into it too many times. It bores me now. If you are too stupid to grasp it that's your problem. I've done my part. The reason there are 48 states in North America that are contiguous. Is because each VAMPIRE FAMILY was to own it's own principality in the New World. Some of these principalities have been sold by the Vampires. Such as the STATE of NEW JERSEY. New Jersey was sold by the vampires two hundred years ago. It is now TWO SECRET CORPORATIONS. The EAST JERSEY CORPORATION. And the WEST JERSEY CORPORATION. ( One of my listeners on shortwave sent me an article from the PHILADELPHIA INQUIRER from 1998 telling who the proprietors of the two secret corporations were ). All. And I do mean all of this secrecy is hidden away in BLACKS LAW DICTIONARY and BURKE'S PEARAGE. The HIGHER LEVEL FREEMASONS ( such as QUATOR CORONATI ) and the KNIGHTS TEMPLARS are the SECRET ADMINISTRATORS for the VAMPIRES living back in England. My health is failing from heart problems and other things. So I may be leaving this INSANE ASYLUM that is called PLANET EARTH in the near future. Frankly I can hardly wait. I have left instructions that all of my notes and books be burned after my own cremation. So all you bright students of the New World Order out there. You can take this information and run with it. Or else use this mail for toilet paper. Frankly I dont give a fuck. Michael from Texas (903) 648-2386 SPONSORED LINKS Melting pot Gnosticism Gnosticism christianity YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "RobotsRebellion2" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith
[CTRL] HITLER WAS A BRITISH AGENT - a brilliant analysis of the deception of war
-Caveat Lector- HITLER WAS A BRITISH AGENT - a brilliant analysis of the deception of war HITLER WAS A BRITISH AGENT - a brilliant analysis of the deception of war by Greg Hallett and the Spymaster. ABOUT THE AUTHORS The authors' wake up each morning quite surprised they are still breathing. The Spymaster has worked in a background of undeclared hostilities over many years. He has gone undercover amongst Nazis, Communists, Marxists and some of the most vicious gangs of criminals in New Zealand. Several times other people have been killed in his place in cases of mistaken identity. The Spymaster has been arrested more times than he can remember and by more outfits than he can remember. He has been on both sides of enforcement operations. He has an in-depth knowledge of offenders in New Zealand and is often sought out by people in high places. Former Prime Minister Rob Muldoon once said of him, "If St Peter ever made a mistake and let you into heaven, there'd be a fistfight in five minutes". Greg Hallett trained in various psychological models in parallel with his architecture degree and training. He travelled widely behind the Iron Curtain during the Cold War, hitchhiking on planes, making bunks out of airmail bags, to party and report between cities. His contacts in Eastern Europe led to deep penetration of the Soviet State, how it functioned and how it was to colonise the West. It was these qualifications that led him to buy buildings in Moscow immediately after the Berlin Wall fell. This led to interviews with the KGB and their revelations about the planned sex-communism and deconstruction of Westerners. What they had planned for the West happened in the West. Equally all modern history can be dated back to 1945. What Hitler planned for the world happened to the world over the next sixty years. INTELLIGENCE TALES When Hallett teamed up with the Spymaster they found they had many of the insights and historical answers to many of the controversies of Europe from WWII to the Cold War and the present . . . not completely disregarding aspects of the future. In listening to each other's stories they noticed a lot of common ground and have attempted to lay this bare for you. "Take of it what you will. We don't expect you to reject sixty years of official history overnight, but we do expect you to view it with new-found suspicion." "Any serious attempt at the truth creates controversy and we expect Hitler was a British Agent to be considered as the most expedient option of creating war." The Spymaster says that he will often go on operations and end up in entirely the wrong place with the wrong people at the wrong time, but always much wiser. Through such coincidences, history is often more explicable to the ordinary man than a lot of complicated analysis. We found "filling-in-the-gaps analysis" to be a primary cause of ill-informed history. As such, Hallett and the Spymaster have teamed up to give you this riveting insight into how the enemies of war are created and how enemies work together to prolong and expand wars. This authoritative and unique insider's look at Hitler outlines his missing year, his British psychological training and financial support, his British-linked minders, and the British sabotage of the Hitler assassination attempts. It outlines in great detail, Operation WINNIE THE POOH, Hitler's escape out of Berlin on 2 May 1945, who he flew with, what planes he caught, their serial numbers, where he flew to, who greeted him, where he spent the remainder of his life and what he eventually died of. FILE THEFT WWII has passed its 60-year suppression rule. Despite this, information coming out about WWII is still controlled as it reflects on how the current wars are carried out. File theft is such common practise it is a forerunner to any elevation. Two Intelligence agencies have regularly stolen Hitler was a British Agent and "it has been read at the highest levels" during the final phases of writing. As quickly as it was written it was stolen and in August 2005 word got back that they would let it out. This came with further inside information and at least one historical act. The question remains . . . did the theft of Hitler was a British Agent in disk form on 11 May 2005 cause the Tavistock Square bombing on 7 July 2005? HITLER WAS A BRITISH AGENT Living Libraries Adolf Hitler - The Incestuous Catholic Jew Adolf Hitler in Britain Hitler's Sexuality Hitler's Psychiatric Condition Hitler's Deconstruction Body Doubles Hess and Hess Fly to Britain Dunkirk James Bond Pearl Harbor Dieppe Anthony Blunt Wallis Simpson and King Edward VIII Operation JAMES BOND Operation WINNIE THE POOH Lost Leaders Churchill, Hitler and Stalin Work Together Afterword Appendices Bibliography Perfect bound, 467 pages. Includes photographs, appendices, bibliography. STOMPING ON OLD CHESTNUTS This is a whole new and unique
[CTRL] Fw: [RobotsRebellion2] Michael B.Clark: CONDI FOLLOWING HER MKULTRA PROGRAMMING
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [RobotsRebellion2] Michael B.Clark: CONDI FOLLOWING HER MKULTRA PROGRAMMING Thanks for reposting Mike's posts, Ole. Please see inside... - Original Message - From: Ole Gerstrøm [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Al Qaeda is the direct lineal descendant of the Arab Nazis of the Muslim Brotherhood
-Caveat Lector- War Crimes Investigator Says Al Qaeda Spawned From Nazi Third ReichAl Qaeda is the direct lineal descendant of the Arab Nazis of the Muslim Brotherhood, A former war crimes investigator explained how the terrorist network al Qaeda spawned from Nazi and Islamic extremist movements following WWII.John Loftus, who regularly appears on Fox News and ABC Radio addressed the theme of the roots of prejudice and hatred in the world. He began by explaining that he didnt set out to become a Nazi hunter. Early in his law career he took a volunteer attorney job created by the Carter administration to hunt Nazis because I thought it would look good on my resume.To his surprise, rather than traveling to Germany to investigate he was sent to the U.S. Governments massive underground vaults protecting classified information. Loftus claims he was given complete access to the 20 acre-sized vaults, where he says he found some disturbing information.I stumbled across some Nazi files I wasnt supposed to see. No one was supposed to see them until the year 2015. The British Secret Service convinced American intelligence that the Nazis would be indispensable as freedom fighters in preparing for the next major war, which was anticipated against the Soviet Union.THE ROOTS OF MODERN TERRORISMDuring his time in the governments underground vaults, Loftus said he read a file on an organization known as the Muslim Brotherhood. In the file was information about a man named Hasam al-Banna who founded the organization in 1920.Mr. al-Banna was a devout admirer of a young Austrian writer named Adolph Hitler. His letters to Hitler were so supportive that when Hitler came to power in the 1930s he had Nazi intelligence make contact with al-Banna to see if they could work together, Loftus said.Hitler had al-banna establish a spy network for Nazi Germany throughout Arabia.Al-Banna promised Hitler that when Gen. Rommels Nazi tank division arrived in Cairo and Alexandria, the Muslim Brotherhood would ensure all of the British troops would be killed.These men were Nazi agents, they were spies, who adopted the Third Reichs policy towards the Jews, Loftus said.He spoke about another prominent member of the Muslim Brotherhood, a man known as the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, who was the organizations representative in Palestine. The Grand Mufti brought with him a hatred of the Jews. He was a principal organizer of the 1920 Bloody Passover massacre of Jews who were praying at Jerusalems Wailing Wall.Following a failed attempt to create a Nazi uprising in Iraq, the Grand Mufti fled to Europe to organize international Arab forces for the Third Reich disguised as SS divisions.In truth these forces were Arab fanatics, Arab Nazis from all across the Middle East, Loftus said.Though a certain war criminal, the Grand Mufti and his troops were spirited away from prosecution to Egypt by the British Secret Service. Kim Philby, the Soviet agent who infiltrated the British Secret Service, was also recruiting Arab Nazis to poison the Wests efforts in the Middle East forever, Loftus said. By using Arab Nazis, democracy would be discredited, America would be discredited, Britain would be discredited.Philby helped the United States acquire the Arab Nazis who were expelled from Egypt in the 1950s after the Egyptians recognized them as a threatAccording to Loftus, the Arab Nazis of the Muslim Brotherhood were sent to the kingdom of Saudi Arabia.To keep them employed they were given jobs as religious education instructors, Loftus said.While Islam is a very peaceful religion, Saudi Arabia practiced an extreme form of Islam called Wahhabi.Saudi Wahhabism is to Islam as the KKK is to Christianity, Loftus said. Its an extreme and perverted form of religion that was condemned as a heresy by Islam more than 60 times before the 1900s.Here is this corrupt cult and all of a sudden the school teachers are Nazis. Here a fusion is born between the two. Schools of hatred were built all over Saudi Arabia, Loftus said.A well known pupil of these schools is Osama bin Laden, Loftus said. Bin Laden and other graduates of the schools were inducted into an underground neo-Nazi Wahhabi army for Saudi Arabia.Just as Russia was using Communist Arabs during the cold war, we would use Arab Nazis as a counterweight to oppose them, Loftus said. When the Soviets invaded Afghanistan in 1979 the Arab (neo) Nazis were let out of the
Re: [CTRL] About the Hurricanes -- Screw these Tesla Coils or We Lose
-Caveat Lector- This seems to be pure disinformation, aimed at taking attention away from HAARP. Yours, Ole Gerstrom - Original Message - From: A. Bpyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:39 AM Subject: [CTRL] About the Hurricanes -- Screw these Tesla Coils or We Lose -Caveat Lector- ABOUT THE SPIRALING 2004 HURRICANE PROBLEMS TESLA COILS _ Thus far this summer's hurricane season has included at least four category five or six hurricanes - Charlie, Frances, Ivan and now Jeanne. There were a few others which didn't quite make the full impact zone's temperature speeds. But, these events are unprecendented in the past century's history of Caribbean tornado-like storms - too many - too fast, thus one wonders what could be causing these storms this year. My suggestion is that it may be the use of too many Tesla coils by Golden Dawn and Scientology units in the U.S. and Caribbean (especially the use of these one cruise ships down south), and that there use has upset the upper atmosphere at last, spurring off these fronts. Suppose that an upper atmosphere powers that bee are mad now...infuriated at what they have been subjected to...and ready for action against land masses. Suppose greedy Golden Dawn, Wicca and Scientology cults are still milking these forces for special gifts and that these upper atmospheric powers aren't gonna take it any more. Suppose they are worn out, tired...angry...and doing what they can to stop the onslaught of violent and vicious humans who keep zapping them with electronic frequencies unrelentingly. What could happen then? Oh, it could get worse...if the cults don't become far better controlled and stop their zooming these influences...we really could be in for far larger ionispheric problems in the long run. Tesla and the USSR were damn bastards to invent these mechanisms, which are known to cause earthquakes, lightning storms, rain, and tremendous hardships for many people who own their homes and are being used in these violent assault scenes in localized neighborhoods. Nope..this is now a war far larger than the damn pagans and satanists...it is growing to be a war which includes ecological elements which NASA and the federal government should disclose and halt their silence about. People being innocently harmed are mad...many whirlygigs are mad...storm fronts are mad...somebody and something has to bring out the real scene to STOP THIS...before it it too late for this planet to recover. Tesla was the most HORRENDOUS asshole to ever run into contemporary times, dealing us all far greater blows than may become public in the next few decades...but this story needs to become public, period, sooner rather than later. _ Judith ABR, 2004 1999 - 2005 c MFHR.ORG __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceâ?not soap-boxingâ?please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'â?with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâ?is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please
Re: [CTRL] About HAARP
-Caveat Lector- http://www.earthpulse.com/haarp/background.html Background of the HAARP Project Prepared by Rosalie Bertell, Ph.D., GNSH Military interest in space became intense during and after World War II because of the introduction of rocket science, the companion to nuclear technology. The early versions include the buzz bomb and guided missiles. They were thought of as potential carriers of both nuclear and conventional bombs. Rocket technology and nuclear weapon technology developed simultaneously between 1945 and 1963. During this time of intensive atmospheric nuclear testing, explosions at various levels above and below the surface of the earth were attempted. Some of the now familiar descriptions of the earth's protective atmosphere, such as the existence of the Van Allen belts, were based on information gained through stratospheric and ionospheric experimentation. The earth's atmosphere consists of the troposphere, from sea level to about 16 km above the earth's surface; the stratosphere (which contains the ozone level) which extends from about the 16 to 48 km above the earth; and the ionosphere which extends from 48 km to over 50,000 km above the surface of the earth. The earth's protective atmosphere or skin extends beyond 3,200 km above sea level to the large magnetic fields, called the Van Allen Belts, which can capture the charged particles sprayed through the cosmos by the solar and galactic winds. These belts were discovered in 1958 during the first weeks of the operation of America's first satellite, Explorer I. They appear to contain charged particles trapped in the earth's gravity and magnetic fields. Primary galactic cosmic rays enter the solar system from interstellar space, and are made up of protons with energies above 100 MeV, extending up to astronomically high energies. They make up about 100 percent of the high energy rays. Solar rays are generally of lower energy, below 20 MeV (which is still high energy in earth terms). These high energy particles are affected by the earth's magnetic field and by geomagnetic latitude (distance above or below the geomagnetic equator). The flux density of low energy protons at the top of the atmosphere is normally greater at the poles than at the equator. The density also varies with solar activity, being at a minimum when solar flares are at a minimum. The Van Allen belts capture charged particles (protons, electrons and alpha particles) and these spiral along the magnetic force lines toward the polar regions where the force lines converge. They are reflected back and forth between the magnetic force lines near the poles. The lower Van Allen Belt is about 7700 km above the earth's surface, and the outer Van Allen Belt is about 51,500 km above the surface. According to the Encyclopedia Britannica, the Van Allen belts are most intense along the equator, and effectively absent over the poles. They dip to 400 km over the South Atlantic Ocean, and are about 1,000 km high over the Central Pacific Ocean. In the lower Van Allen Belt, the proton intensity is about 20,000 particles with energy above 30 MeV per second per square centimeter. Electrons reach a maximum energy of 1 MeV, and their intensity has a maximum of 100 million per second per square centimeter. In the outer Belt, proton energy averages only 1 MeV. For compar-ison, most charged particles discharged in a nuclear explosion range between 0.3 and 3 MeV, while diagnostic medical X-ray has peak voltage around 0.5 MeV. Project Argus (1958) Between August and September 1958, the US Navy exploded three fission type nuclear bombs 480 km above the South Atlantic Ocean, in the part of the lower Van Allen Belt closest to the earth's surface. In addition, two hydrogen bombs were detonated 160 km over Johnston Island in the Pacific. The military called this the biggest scientific experiment ever undertaken. It was designed by the US Department of Defense and the US Atomic Energy Commission, under the code name Project Argus. The purpose appears to be to assess the impact of high altitude nuclear explosions on radio transmission and radar operations because of the electromagnetic pulse (EMP), and to increase understanding of the geomagnetic field and the behavior of the charged particles in it. This gigantic experiment created new (inner) magnetic radiation belts encompassing almost the whole earth, and injected sufficient electrons and other energetic particles into the ionosphere to cause world wide effects. The electrons traveled back and forth along magnetic force lines, causing an artificial aurora when striking the atmosphere near the North Pole. The US Military planned to create a telecommunications shield in the ionosphere, reported in 13-20 August 1961, Keesings Historisch Archief (K.H.A.). This shield would be created in the ionosphere at 3,000 km height, by bringing into orbit 350,000 million copper needles, each 2-4 cm long [total weight 16 kg], forming a belt
Re: [CTRL] Memes by Anonymeme
-Caveat Lector- Dear Daniel, Yes, interesting stuff. Please keep us supplied. Yours, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark - Original Message - From: Daniel Mio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 6:41 PM Subject: [CTRL] Memes by Anonymeme -Caveat Lector- I have been watching the posts of an individual posting anonymously to Memes.org for over a year now and I am quite certain that not only does the person have a ruthlessly analytical mind AND be able to see the big picture seemingly all the time, but he/she also seems to have had an inside track in NWO politics somewhere along the line. His pieces are sometimes disjointed and a little confusing but the articulation of the big picture, considering how few of us actually have a grasp of it (we all think we do), is bound to be confusing. It will take time to grasp his gist. I highly suggest reading his posts. If you are like me, in a month or so the AHA'S of your own will begin. Expect to have your worldview challenged. -- Here I provide some examples of his previous work. ~ Bush: Connex: Bush, Howard Hughes Diamond Mines?--Need Diamond Tipped Drills! Posted by: Anonymeme on Sep 07, 2004 - 11:15 AM diamonds by the millions!...diamond by the billions! all that GLITTERS iS OIL! You can't drill for oil without BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN COMMERCIAL DIAMONDS! and you can't SHIP BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN DIAMONDS WITHOUT HUNDREDS OF HTOUSANDS OF contract security forces willing to kill native populations at the drop of a shat! if you've ever wondered why the Oil/Energy companies all seem to own gold, silver and diamond mines...it all quite logical. Don't forget that Howard Hughes got stinking rich solely because he Patented the diamond-tipped drill used by EVERY single Oil Gas and Exploration company on the planet! That means a tremendous connection between the Queen's empire and the Rockefeller empire! So it makes perfect sense that when Bush's Zapata Offshore Oil started drilling deep through Ocean sediment...that it would first drill using Howard Hughes diamond drill on a small cay or island in the Gulf that was owned by Howard Hughes. In fact...Zapata Offshore may in fact have been an offshore with Bush and Howard Hughes as the primary investors..but more research is being done on that connection. So, an Oil/Energy company DESPERATELY needs a source of Commercial Grade diamonds..by the millions to drill their wells! They can't buy them on the open market so they HAVE to strip them away from the cold dead hands of the 3rd World Countries...of which 65% are Muslim populations! Diamonds AREN'T A MUSLIM GIRLS BEST FRIEND! viva zorroista-pata-cake http://memes.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=Newsfile=articlesid=3184mode=threadorder=0thold=0 ~ Globalism: Go Against Rockefeller/J P Morgan/Fed Guess What Happens! Posted by: Anonymeme on Sep 07, 2004 - 02:17 PM i feel like i'm trying to wake up a nation who is already stupified by the affects of carbon monoxide gas! http://www.canadiangrassroots.ca/images/Articles/brotherhood2.html President Kennedy Nov. 12, 1963 said: The high office of the President has been used to foment a plot to destroy the American's freedom and before I leave office, I must inform the citizen of this plight. Note that all four presidents who tried to end the banking monopolies were assassinated (Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley, Kennedy) and anyone who tries to expose these Dynasties is demonized!) (SOME OF THEM WEREN'T FROM OHIO!) J P Zorro Inc. Remember Morgan the Pirate? http://memes.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=Newsfile=articlesid=3185mode=threadorder=0thold=0 ~ Government: Power Politics: Munchenhausen Syndrome By Rockefeller Proxy! Posted by: Anonymeme on Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 02:18 PM (Presidential Gun Fodders OF Our Country, Skull Crossboners...NEVER GET ASSASSINATED!) You see it goes this way, you kill the people you are supposed to love, just to get attention. But, in the case of politics, you make sure that you get a proxy to do your wet work, as the military says! it doesn't seem far fetched when you realize that EVERY President elected from Ohio (the Rockefeller Refinery State) has been assassinated in office. It's hard to say if they were just unlucky as a lot in general...or whether the old Standard Oil Company that original elected them all..then forcefully removed them when they crossed Rockefeller's interests in monopolizing Transportation, Banking, Energy and Mining Industries! It could also be the law abiding Big Trust Haters/aka Demoncrats Garfield, Mc Inley Harding from office to put New York Vice Presidents in or when it appeared the President was simply a rubber stamp for Rockefeller, Carnegie J P Morgan, just like the Bush Administration..CONGO-SLEAZY RICE, Colon Foul and Dora Bush-Koch brother and Dick of America
Re: [CTRL] French-Muslim Connection
-Caveat Lector- There is an error in this fine article. There are 60 million inhabitants in France. Out of them 5 millions are considered muslims, which is around 8,3%. This figure is fatal. That is the point where they usually start getting brutal on christians and jews. Yours, Ole Gerstrom, Copenhagen - Original Message - From: Ed Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 12:55 PM Subject: [CTRL] French-Muslim Connection -Caveat Lector- This article provides excellent insights as to what is happening in France and helps understand their seemingly irrational policies. It points out how out-of-control immigration can destroy a country, a warning for the USA. ___ The French-Muslim Connection By Thomas D. Segel There are more than one billion Muslims in the world. The largest Muslim population, totaling 180 million, is in Indonesia. It is followed by 125 million in Pakistan, Bangladesh with 109 million and India with 84 million. The remainder is spread through 100 countries, including an estimated 5 million Muslims in France. Though the figure 5 million may not seem large when viewed next to the populations of countries such as Indonesia, it still represents almost twenty percent of the people in France. What it has done to this western nation is negatively impact it so severely that it may soon lose its European identity. In fact, if the birth rate continues as projected, France will have a Muslim majority in less than 25 years. According to the international Limits To Growth Organization writer Brenda Walker, France should be seen as a cautionary tale of immigration run amok, and how quickly things can get out of control. Muslim immigration to France is a post-war phenomenon for the most part. Just a few decades of high immigration of a group with high fertility has put France in the unenviable position of being the European nation thought most likely to be the first to introduce sharia (Islamic) law. The constant appeasement attitude of officials has also been seen to embolden the Muslim population into making strong demands on the country. As they grow in numbers most French Muslims feel they can impose the will of Islam on the entire country. There is also the threat of violence, which is always a concern by French leaders. They have already seen an increase in crime and violence against women among the Arab immigrants. Starting in the year 2000, following the Intifada uprising, France started to experience an escalation of crimes against its Jewish citizens. Six synagogues were burned down in less than three weeks. The perpetrators were Muslims. By 2002 France was experiencing 12 anti-Semitic incidents daily. The Muslim population had grown 10 times larger than the country's Jewish community and by sheer numbers had placed themselves in a position where anti-Semitism seemed to no longer be a concern of those in government. Today French Muslims outnumber all non-Catholic ethnic and religious factions in the country combined, including Protestants and Jews. Also frightening to the French government is the lack of assimilation into national identity by these immigrants. Decades of immigration have produced a large class of young men who claim Islam, not France, as their identity and consider crime as an acceptable life style. As France became more and more concerned about the attitudes of its Muslims, more forms of appeasement were offered. The Muslim Brotherhood, which is an outlaw organization in Egypt was given official status and allowed to preach its message of hate. One of the Botherhood's basic themes is It is a duty to kill in the name of Allah. France also decided to make Muslims more mainstream by giving them a national council. What was thought would be a voice of Muslim moderation became instead the voice of radical Islam. By the time the United States was seeking United Nations resolutions on Iraq the French-Muslim connection was so strong that as a country they preferred an Iraqi victory and strongly rejected the United States position. There are many who feel that France lives in such fear of a violent uprising by its Muslim population that it can never take a strong western position on anything. There are writers such as Guy Milierre who have remarked, France behaves more and more as if she does not belong to the West any more and as though she is the leader of the Third World. If this fear of its own population does not seem possible to the reader, consider this: Ten Arab men were convicted of raping a teenage girl. The Arab families left the court shouting revenge. Eight days later the court was burned to the ground and the girl along with her family had to flee for their lives. More than 23,000 French prison inmates are Muslim, this is more than six times the proportion of Muslims to the overall French population. From Marseille to Paris synagogues have been destroyed, Jewish men, women and
[CTRL] Fw: [cia-drugs] Re: Arizona Wilder/David Icke credibility
-Caveat Lector- Kris writes here regarding David Icke and one of his sources: Besides, anybody who calls herself Arizona Wilder (sounds like something you'd name a porn starlet or a female wrestler) has got plenty of issues - way more than anything the ritual abusers are responsible for. This is vitrol negativity without a shadow of documentation. I would expect more from our gate-keeper. Further Duncan takes on Stewart Swerdlow and other brain-dead blow-ins like Stewart Swerdlow (currently charging hundreds of dollars to fix the psychic problems of gullible believers). Again this name-calling on the basis of nothing. Charging hundreds of dollars - well Duncan, I am informed, that you publish some sort of a magazine called Nexus. Do you give it away for free, or do you charge money for it? Yours, Ole Gerstrom, Copenhagen, Denmark - Original Message - From: mark urban [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 6:59 AM Subject: [cia-drugs] Re: Arizona Wilder/David Icke credibility -Caveat Lector- I'm sorry, Duncan, but it was Credo Mutwa, the African shaman who said that african reptoids looked like that Darth Mul (sp?) character who killed the Liam Neeson character in that Star Wars movie a few years back that did it for me. Icke certainly talks a good game. My favorite strange anecdote sounds like something Icke would say; however, it comes from Fritz Springmeier. According to Fritz, Al Gore is addicted to the adrenalchrome laced blood of victims of satanic ritual murder. Having seen Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas a number of times, I was quickly able to put all of this together when I remembered the scene where Johnny Depp/Hunter Thompson wears an alligator tail and floods his Las Vegas suite under the influence of said drug that his Samoan lawyer/ Benecio DelToro scored from some bikers in exchange for legal representation. I think Benecio DelToro told Depp to put some on his finger and swab it on the inside of his lip. It is these little juicy bits that make life worth living. Besides, anybody who calls herself Arizona Wilder (sounds like something you'd name a porn starlet or a female wrestler) has got plenty of issues - way more than anything the ritual abusers are responsible for. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Duncan Roads [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there even a shred of evidence that anything claimed by this woman is true? Is she really so 'psychically powerful' that even the illuminati use her powers against her will at their satanic ceremonies? Based upon her say-so, David Icke made allegations that various other researchers (that he was commercially 'competing with'/jealous of- at the time) were at these ceremonies - all happily bathing in the blood of innocent children and animals. The only proof needed by David Icke to accuse fellow conspiracy researchers (ie Laurence Gardner, Zecharia Sitchin) of cutting up and eating baby parts at these satanic ceremonies, was the say-so of Arizona Wilder, and other brain-dead blow-ins like Stewart Swerdlow (currently charging hundreds of dollars to fix the psychic problems of gullible believers). At that point, even David Icke's long-time research assistants threw up their hands in horror and abandoned him. They claimed that there was no proof upon which to go out and accuse others of being shape-shifting reptilian aliens, and that the testimony of an alleged mind-control victim was nowhere near enough evidence upon which to base such claims. If anyone has ever doubted that Icke is only in it for the money, look no further than his shallow attempts to smear competitors whilst raking in the money and glory. In an abusive letter to NEXUS published several years ago, Icke promised evidence of shape-shifting aliens would become so apparent, that I would be eating so much humble pie that I would need to join weightwatchers. Sounds like the time that Icke went on UK national TV (when he still HAD public credibility) and told the astounded public to expect massive earth changes by the end of the year (circa '91-92). Recently, Icke has tripped off to South America and has joined the list of new age gurus who have been taking the hallucinogenics down there. After taking some of the 'good stuff' Icke can now be heard on radio and lectures telling us how we each create our own reality. Maybe he is finally onto something? Duncan On 11/08/2004, at 9:26 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVID ICKELHEIMER did a 3 hour video interview with JENNIFER ANNE GREEN regarding high level Satanic Rituals going on within the the U.K. and the U.S.A. This was sold as CONFESSIONS of a MOTHER GODDESS. http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=53829 BRIAN DESBOROUGH states in the above article that JENNIFER
Re: [CTRL] [cia-drugs] Masonic network within EU institutions?
-Caveat Lector- This article is from december 2002. I have asked at the site, what has happend since. I will let you know. Yours, Ole Gerstrom - Original Message - From: norgesen To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 3:46 PM Subject: [cia-drugs] Masonic network within EU institutions? -Caveat Lector- OLAF POISED TO INVESTIGATE MASONIC NETWORK WITHIN EU INSTITUTIONS As far as conspiracy theories go in Brussels, they don't get much more sensational, than those of whistle-blower, Robert 'Dougal' Watt - an auditor at the European Court of Auditors. Watt believes he has evidence of a chilling underground network of Masons with links to the Italian Mafia operating in the EU Court of Auditors, the European Parliament, the European Investment Bank - and even the EU's own fraud investigation unit, OLAF. Substantiated facts - or the stuff of James Bond novels? The Sprout weighs up the allegations that OLAF is currently examining, which, if true, could re-open an investigation into why an EU official committed suicide in 1993 - implicating one current senior Director- General and an EU Court chief, both of whom Watt claims are powerful Masons with Mafia connections. Held in the same light as other whistle-blowers' accusations, Robert 'Dougal' Watt's are an incendiary device waiting to be activated. The former auditor of the European Court of Auditors fled Luxembourg in April, following an inflammatory letter sent to over 500 MEPs in Brussels. The original letter claimed that the EU's financial watchdog was awash with corrupt officials whose nepotism, recruitment irregularities and even sexual harassment had led to Watt fearing for his life and fleeing Luxembourg. MEPs may have been drawn to a minor accusation within the case which accused the EU Court of Auditors of knowing well in advance of the European Parliament of Paul Van Buitenen's corruption allegations which brought down the European Commission team run by Jacques Santer in March 1999 - but chose neither to investigate them nor to forward them to OLAF, the EU's own team of fraud investigators. Allegations gaining credibilityYet what MEPs didn't know last Spring was that, concurrent to the Watt letter sent to them, the Scottish auditor had also drafted a 40-page letter to the head of the EU Court detailing an explanation of why a string of investigations supposedly led by the EU Court had been closed - and why he really feared for his life: Watt believes he has evidence of a chilling underground network of Masons (working externally with Italian Mafia groups) operating in the EU Court of Auditors, the European Parliament, the European Investment Bank - and even the EU's own Anti-Fraud Office, OLAF. And even though Watt admits in the dossier sent to Michel Hervi, the Secretary-General of the EU Court of Auditors, that the lion's share of his allegations are "hypothesis", his principle charge against OLAF for "failing to pursue leads" can no longer be ignored as the ramblings of a man suffering from "paranoia" or "disillusion". Watt's fear of being murdered, once examined in the full knowledge of the history of his work and how he has been subsequently handled by top officials that were once his confidants, has since gained credibility, as indeed have some of his allegations. The Greek 'Member' of the EU Court of Auditors, Kalliopi Nikolaou, was accused outright by Watt in April for taking cash payments from individuals - in return for her placing them within the employment of the Court. But in October, news came that she might face prosecution from OLAF. Nikolaou, who worked for the Court of Auditors in Luxembourg for five years until 1991, has also been formally accused of falsifying documents allowing a colleague to receive 30,000 euro in holiday pay. It is important to note, that unlike other whistle-blowers, one of Watt's responsibilities as auditor in the EU Court of Auditors was to investigate corruption cases - as part of the Court's annual report on activities financed from the EU Budget - and so had privileged access to restricted information. Turning a cornerIndeed, the mere fact that OLAF has so far chosen not to follow them up, merely added to the credibility of Watt's charges. Or so it would seem to most pundits following the case. At the time of going to press,
[CTRL] Fw: [SeptemberDisaster] KRIS MILLEGAN--CIA FRONT and GATEKEEPER
-Caveat Lector- Hello Kris, Do you have any comments? Yours, Ole Gerstrom, Copenhagen - Original Message - From: Tim White [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 9:38 PM Subject: [SeptemberDisaster] KRIS MILLEGAN--CIA FRONT and GATEKEEPER Well,well,well.Kris Milligan just showed me WHAT he REALLY is.As you can see in this thread,he SAYS that he would take me off of his VERY BIASED and ARBITRARY moderation that has been in place since June of LAST year.I sent in the very same articles from Eric Jon Phelps site,VATICAN ASSASSINS,to cia-drugs that were posted to all Yahoogroups I sent them to-Millegan did not post them.I sent to cia-drugs all the Chapters from THE SECRET TERRORISTS that I sent to all the Yahoogroups that I belong to-Milligan did not post them.I sent in the articles to cia-drugs that were posted TODAY to all the Yahoogroups I sent them to-articles that were about the Jesuit control of OUR COUNTRY.Not ONLY did Milligan NOT post them,this time he didn't moderate me-HE KICKED ME OUT of cia-drugs-moments after I sent those articles,I noticed cia-drugs missing from my Yahoogroups list.This is a guy who is OBVIOUSLY being controlled by HIS masters,sure IS a generational thing,isn't it,since his FATHER was OSS-his Daddy is pictured in the front pages of the new book,FLESHING OUT SKULLBONES.This REALLY shows that the CIA is in fact a JESUIT controlled Agency and Milligan IS a CIA controlled FRONT.HOW obvious is that NOW?Just the SAME as Amy Goodman of DEMOCRACYNOW,Milligan is REALLY one of THEM. Tim White, Viet Nam Vet,Concerned Citizen --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:46:14 EDT Subject: Re: IDENTITY of GROT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/27/04 5:52:25 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kris, Right-o!!That is fair enough,I will scream my head off with something that we all can use more of-THE TRUTH!!!Smoke a BIG doobie for me since I have NONE-that is because of Stewwed Webb. Peace to you too, Tim White, Viet Nam Vet,Concerned Citizen ps, some things I would like to post will have to be attachments because of photos that must be seen.How to do that since you don't allow attachments?Hmm. Maybe you can put them online and then give a url Peace, K --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, indeed. Bob outed him about a week ago. Eastman wasn't banned the last time he left on his own accord when he, web fairy and Sean McBride we outed working together. I will get you back on but if you go off yelling and stuff, I will put ya on hold. Peace, Kris In a message dated 7/27/04 3:15:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: KRIS, I thought you would be interested in knowing the I.D of the mysterious GROT.None other that DICK EASTMAN.Seems to me that you BANNED him more than once. I looked over your(and others)book Fleshing Out SkullBones at Metaphysical Books here in the NWO Capital of DENVER.VERY GOOD!!! BTW,I happen to have met Carl Oglesby back in Feb. here in Denver and I am looking forward to seeing him out here again since he is a good friend of a lady I know.As I am sure you must be aware,maybe not,he has about 6-7,000 documents released to him by FOIA related to Reinhard Gehlen and Paperclip.I know personally a Paperclip Importee here in Denver by the name of Heinrich(Harry)Rupp-I have been to his home and he is hiding out in the open with his name listed in the Denver phone book,no joke! Tim White, Viet Nam Vet/Concerned Citizen BTW, I would appreciate you lifting your block on me from posting to cia-drugs.All of that action was related to that fraud-Stew Webb.He even solicited my murder by a retired CIA asset here in Denver that I have known going on 10 years-The MECHANIC.Ever hear of the codename TANGO DANCER??? __ Do you Yahoo!? New and
Re: [CTRL] DEBATE: COMMUNISM VS. FASCISM
-Caveat Lector- Dear FLW, The US is starting. Look at the dictators in South America having their secret police trained at U.S. Army's School of the Americas, renamed in 2001 the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation or WHINSEC. There is Vietnam. There is Oklahoma City Bombing. And there is 911. Yours, Ole Gerstrom - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] DEBATE: COMMUNISM VS. FASCISM -Caveat Lector- We keep track of the figures. One and two could be you and me. Yours, Ole Gerstrom, Copenhagen, Denmark Did Stalin murder more millions then Hitler's millions of victims? Perhaps but only because Ole Uncle Joe was in power longer. How many innocents has the US killed these past 100 years?? flw www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceâ?not soap-boxingâ?please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'â?with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâ?is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] DEBATE: COMMUNISM VS. FASCISM...DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED GOVTS
-Caveat Lector- At a Sovjet work place, just a sceptical remark about the system could be punished by death. In The Sovjet Union, they had KZ-camps alerady from 1919. Here children could also be executed. Hunger and starvation was used to control the masses. The Gulags received 20 millions, who were starved and forced to work hard under extremely cruel conditions. Millions died. All this is even worse than fascism. Yours, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark - Original Message - From: A. Bpyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 2:15 PM Subject: [CTRL] DEBATE: COMMUNISM VS. FASCISM...DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED GOVTS -Caveat Lector- Reply from E. Murray: Subject: DEBATE: COMMUNISM VS. FASCISM...DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED GOVTS I believe you are still spouting a mess of dis-information. Hitler would turn over in his grave if he heard you say this, as he detested Stalin, they were bitter enemies. Hitler was highly successful for nearly two years in invading and taking over Russia (1941-1943) during WWII. About five million Russian soldiers died in this invasion, not to speak of the numbers of millions of common people dead; Hitler's command was to kill Jews first, then other Russians. Stalin was not a dictator...after Lenin died of a botched medical operation (1928), Stalin became the top dog and was known as General Secretary for about ten years, then as Commander in Chief. The term dictator is one you are using, applied from the outside, not by Russians or their military ever. Hitler was known as a dictator...this is only a Fascist term, not a Communistic one. Communism in Russia included the state taking over farms and industries...the kalaks farmers would up loosing their farms to collectives which Stalin established (1930s). But the point was that the Politburo Central Committee, was HUGE...that it owned all the property the public...Stalin was governing a massive governmental body. This is part of the Communist system...massive govt body. Fascism is not like this, it is rule by a SMALL elite group, there is NO Politburo...no, not at all. Fascists do not take over property, Hitler did demand that Germans serve in the military however. As far as socialism there are have been many, many different degrees of socialism, and different definitions by govts. There are many different levels of the use of socialism...Hitler's use of this term could have meant anything really, it was a term used to support his demands that people have a deep abiding support a nationalistic attitude towards the Fascism. Small programs adopted by govts could consitute the use of this term...that does not mean the country is adopting Communism. Marx's use of this term was more sweeping, huge, but nowdays its definition has much flexibility and does not imply the adoption of communism. In Russia it apparently DID imply the use of full bore Communism. Its definitions vary, depending up who is using it. These forms of govts ARE diametrically opposed...Stalin hated Hitler so much that he executed 30,000 of his OWN army in 1937 for having sympathies with Germany, Fascism. Many Russians did not apparently LIKE Jewish rule or the Jewish govt...some of them actually sided with Fascists, who obviously wanted Jews annihilated. Your take on socialism needs far more research. Your assumption that there is anything in common between Communism and Fascism is simply bullshit. Fascists murder, when they can, Communists. Communists do likewise. Never the twain shall meet. Socialism is simply a general catch phrase for govt- sponsored public programs. E Murray --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Using the term Commu-Nazi, which I assume means Communist-Nazi is an erroneous. double noun. These two political systems are diametrically opposed to each other, opposites. They do not merge, like oil and water. The oil is Communism, the main doctrine of which was co-authored by K. Marx, a German Jew. Communism is a political system championed by many, if not most, Jews. Communism = Judaism = oil. Nonsense. One of the founders of Fascism, Mussolini was a dedicated Socialist who wanted Socialism taken to a 'higher level' by advocating 'Fascism'. Both systems are Collectivist. Both are based on all encompassing Statism. The Nazis (National SOCIALISTS) considered their system reformed socialism. The Hitler Gang saw how the Lenin Gang almost failed because they displaced the old elite with a new, inexperienced elite. Fascism and Nazism were more efficient then Socialism because they co-opted the existing elite into their ranks rather then immediate and wholesale displacement. In both systems The Party is paramount in all things. By forcing the old elite to join the Party, the Nazis totally controlled all power levers of society. The good ole
Re: [CTRL] [conspiracy-net] John Birch Society adversary thank you note: (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- The founder of the John Birch Society Robert Welch was a mason. The John Birch Society avoids looking into the power of the masons today. Yours, Ole Gerstrom, Copenhagen, Denmark - Original Message - From: William Bacon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 12:31 AM Subject: [CTRL] [conspiracy-net] John Birch Society adversary thank you note: (fwd) -Caveat Lector- I pledge Allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands, one Nation under God,indivisible,with liberty and justice for all. Remember:More people have died in Ted Kennedy's car than have died in United States Commercial Nuclear Power plant operations visit my web site at http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon My ICQ# is 79071904 for a precise list of the powers of the Federal Government linkto: http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon/Enumerated.html -- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:42:30 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [conspiracy-net] John Birch Society adversary thank you note: Many thanks to the adversaries of the John Birch Society. It is an axiom in politics, that the most important consideration, in dealing with attackers, is that you make sure that they spell your name correctly. The adversaries of the John Birch Society can only have a small amount of success; which depends entirely on their hope that they will be the only source of information. The curiousity that these attackers create, will cause the most intelligent people to investigate, and then learn the truth. Agents of totalitarianism generally over estimate their own importance, by assuming that we will waste our time, in dealing with their foolishness. There is nothing, that any intelligent person wants to know about The John Birch Society, that he will not learn, by consulting the web pages below. The internet can be the most powerful tool that we have, or it can be the place where we waste our time. THE KEY DIFFERENCE IS WHETHER, OR NOT YOUR EFFORTS LEAD PEOPLE TO AN ACTION AGENDA. The New American Magazine is available at: www.thenewamerican.com If you learn to use the search engine, http://www.thenewamerican.com/website/search.htm and the subject index, http://www.thenewamerican.com/focus/index.htm then you will have better information. then you will be able to provide links, which will increase the traffic at The New American web site, and have the potential of actually leading to concerted action. The John Birch Society has a national network of chapters The John Birch Society has a fully paid field staff. The John Birch Society publishes a MONTHLY bulletin FILLED WITH action items for these chapters to follow. The John Birch Society has system of summer youth camps. The John Birch Society has Western Islands book publishing company; which regularly produces new books, by scores of authors, and brings back old books; which were no longer available. The John Birch Society produces hundreds of videos, billboards, bumper stickers, buttons, and audios. The John Birch Society has a national network of retail bookstores to distribute those books, and other materials. The John Birch Society inspires hundreds of people to enter gun shows and fair booths all over the country. The John Birch Society has a speakers bureau, and finds audiences for these speakers. The John Birch Society does all important visits to large media brokers like CNN and talk radio. The John Birch Society has ad hoc committees like TRIM, and publishes and distributes TRIM bulletins, showing voting records of congressmen and makes these available online at: www.trimonline.org Imagine this: 1. You have a plumbing emergency, that is so serious that you call a radio talk show, and ask for a plumber to come at once. 2. Hundreds of plumbers show up, but only one has the tools to do the job. WHO WOULD YOU HIRE 5% of the people make things happen. 15% of the people watch things happen. 80% of the people never know what happened. If you are in this group, we know that you are not one of those 80% of the people, who never know what happened. At the very LEAST you are watching things happen. The question is whether you want to be one of the 15% of the people who watch things happen. OR one of the 5% of the people who MAKE things happen. One of the biggest differences between the John Birch Society, and almost every other organization, that you may have known, is that we have AN ACTION AGENDA. Many people are surprised to find out that there is actually something to DO ABOUT all of these problems. It is NOT our goal to make you into the most knowledgeable patriot in the entire concentration camp. We want to live the rest of our lives in peace and freedom. To do that, we need to TAKE ACTION. We also need a lot
Re: [CTRL] JBS litmus test - masons not mentioned - jbs part of the conspiracy
-Caveat Lector- Dear William Bacon, The masons are not mentioned in the litmus test. And as far as I am informed, Robert Welch, the founder of JBS, was a mason. Thus I will place the JBS inside the conspiracy. Yours, Ole Gerstrom, Copenhagen, Denmark - Original Message - From: William Bacon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 1:42 PM Subject: [CTRL] JBS litmus test | -Caveat Lector- | | Subject: Re: [JBirch] Fellow Conservatives, I need your help now!!! | | P.S. I'm pasting in the litmus test I use on everyone. This determines | whether a liberal is trying to creep in the book. Everyone enjoy. Where | do you stand on the issues? Are you a true John Bircher? | | | THE TOPICS: | | A. ABORTION | | 1. Unborn children are by definition human beings from the | point of conception onward. As such, they deserve the right | to live and enter into this world unharmed, irrespective of | any 'inconvenience' or 'burden' this may cause the mother. | Morally speaking, abortion is tantamount to murder, and so, | must not remain legal. | 2. Although abortion certainly should be avoided whenever | possible, it is permissible under certain circumstances | including rape, incest, or in utero threats to the life of | the mother. Modest legal restrictions such as parental | notification are both acceptable and warranted. | 3. A woman's ability to choose whether to take a pregnancy to | term is her fundamental right as a human being. There are | significant moral differences between a fetus and a | full-fledged human being, especially in the first two | trimesters (during which the vast majority of abortions take | place). There should be NO restrictions on a woman's right to | choose. | | Please select one: 123 | | | | B. ANIMAL RIGHTS | | 1. Whether by God's will or by virtue of our inherent | superiority, human beings rightly hold dominion over all the | earth and its diverse creatures. As such, we have every right | to do as we wish with our other co-inhabitants on this | planet, provided we show ample respect for them or His | Creation. | 2. Generally speaking, cruelty to animals^whether in the | form of abusive husbandry practices, gratuitous | entertainment, or cosmetic testing^should be phased out in | deference to their basic integrity as living, feeling beings. | Nonetheless, their status as 'lesser beings' is | uncontroversial. | 3. Although granting basic rights to other animals is | obviously a distant prospect, humans should endeavor to end | their flagrant exploitation of their evolutionary kin, | especially mammals and other conscious beings. Vegetarianism, | non-animal scientific research, the cessation of so-called | 'sport' hunting, and the development of animal-free household | goods should be given serious priority. | | Please select one: 123 | | | | C. CORPORATE ACCOUNTABILITY | | 1. As the driving force of entrepreneurialism and job | creation in our society, business must be given as free a | hand as possible in the general marketplace. Consumers and | shareholders can adequately hold corporations accountable | through their purchasing and investment decisions. | 2. In order to keep business accountable to the general | public, campaign finance reform measures, more transparent | accounting rules, and greater environmental and worker safety | protections should be enacted. But the exclusive right of | companies to control investment should not be abridged. | 3. Corporations have become so huge and unaccountable to | workers, communities, and the environment that far-reaching | reforms are now necessary. These might include any or all of | the following: a return to charter revocation, vigorous | antitrust campaigns, and official democratic representation | by workers and communities on company boards of directors. | | Please select one: 123 | | | | D. EDUCATION | | 1. Our educational system is in shambles. Average test scores | are lagging those of other industrialized nations, especially | in the areas of math and reading comprehension. To remedy | this situation, not only must we get back to basics, but we | must move to a private voucher system in order to give | teachers the incentives they need to do a good job and to | finally give parents true choice in the education market. | Measures such as English-only
Re: [CTRL] CHRISTIANS FORCED INTO ISLAMIC SCHOOLS
Title: Re: [CTRL] CHRISTIANS FORCED INTO ISLAMIC SCHOOLS -Caveat Lector- Dear Thew, The muslims see themselves as one force to conquer the world. They dont care so much aboutthe countries. For them it is more important to be amuslem than to be for instance a Turk.Right now their plan is to take Western Europe. Their most importants targets are England, Germany France and Italy. It is quite obvious, that they will have taken the continent in this century. 20 years ago we had no muslems in Denmark. Today we have 8% og the population. Yours, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark - Original Message - From: thew To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 11:37 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] CHRISTIANS FORCED INTO ISLAMIC SCHOOLS -Caveat Lector- Prudy not all Muslim states are alike. Jews have always been treated well in Morocco so should you be surprised they are not treated so well in say Yemen?The Turks are not even Arabs why should they have anything in common with Palestinians?DO all Christians act the same? All Christian states have the same alliances?Its a little simplistic a world view, no?on 10/23/02 1:26 PM, Prudy L at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 10/22/2002 5:26:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:I have personally seen videos of children in kindergarten being taught to kill Jews. That is what the children of Christians will learn if forced to attend the schools run by Yasser Arafat. This is really strange considering how well the Christians are treated in Turkey. I have seen children of primary school age who thought killing Jews was a great idea and said they would do it if it became possible, but they were the children of some strange Christian sect in the United States. I think this was on a Donahue program (one of the old ones), and I recall his expression--an odd mixture of disbelief and horror. I don't recall the name of the "Christian" group any longer. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om-- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - - - - -- --- -- - - - - -- - - - -- -- - -- -The police aren't here to create disorder, they are here to preserve disorder.Mayor Richard DaleyNEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send
[CTRL] AON Insurance in WTC lost no directors
AON Corporation, Insurance Agencies in WTC lost no directors.They were allon a trip to Europe on September 11, 2001. Kind regards, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark
[CTRL] Birgenair - this looks like a virus, dont open
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: John Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 10:24 AM Subject: [CTRL] Birgenair Hi! How are you? I send you this file in order to have your advice See you later. Thanks A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] George Soros and the Rothschilds Connection
George Soros and the
Rothschilds Connection By Jan Von Helsing ("Secret Societies and
their Power in the 20th Century")
Special Note : The author of this book is German. He claims he has
several jewish friends and is not racist or prejudice, but often cites the
Talmud as a guide book for certain Jews and discusses a Jewish Conspiracy
that involves elements of Zionism and other conspiracy issues as well. I do not
agree wholeheartedly with the author's entire beliefs, however alot of the
research on a variety ofother topics is VERY GOOD. We are seeking
truth here and not Hatred or prejudice, as a matter ofFACT, I was
raised Jewish myself. For my views on the Jewish Conspiracy, you will have to go
Hereto find out, this is not the forum.
The now 64 year old Hungarian with a U.S. passport is the
superstar amidst the great speculators. When the last "Forbes" list of the
best paid managers and financiers was published, Soros was in the lead by a
huge margin. In the last year he earned 550 million US$, twenty times as much as
the Disney Boss. When Soros opens the hunt, the international money markets
get moving and the reserve banks start worrying. In Sept. 1993 he succeeded
over the Bank of England. He was certain the Bank would have to take the
pound that came under pressure out of the European exchange mechanism
and devalue it. He gambled 10 Billion US$ --with success. He made 1 Billion
US$, which the British taxpayers now have to come up with. He himself likes
to be openly known as the man who wants to influence the big money markets
of the world. This is a very unusual stance for an investor to take, who
should rather be interested in using situations unobservantly that the
competitors have not yet discovered. In March 1993, Soros' activities became
known when he predicted a rise in the price of gold. It is assumed --since
this started a buying spree in precious metals --that this drove the price
up 20% over the highest price since the Gulf War. In the beginning of June
1993, he wrote an open letter to the business editor of the London Times,
Anatole Kaletsky, announcing that he intented to urge the money markets to
sell large amounts of German government bonds in favor of French stocks.
Which means: Down with the German mark and attack on the Bundesbank!
In several newspapers across the world Soros is praised
as a kind of "Robin Hood of the Computer Age", since by speculation he takes
from the rich nations in grand style to hand out to Eastern Europe and
Russia via several Soros Foundations, to prepare the way for "Democracy" in
those "poor" countries that had been bled dry by communism.
Who then is Soros? The official story says that he was
born in 1930 to Jewish parents and as a teenager had been chased from
Budapest by the Nazis. He enrolled at the "London School of Economics" and
in the mid-50's came to the U.S. There he was magically drawn to Wall Street,
but his career until 1969 was unspectacular. Then with a partner he took
over an investment fund. He sold stocks he didn't own as futures, hoping
that their price would fall nearer the qualifying date and that he could
aquire them at a price lower than his selling price. From
this fund the "Quantum Group" evolved, a family of investment funds operating
from the Dutch West Indies. Quantum is one of the most impressive
"investment machines" in the world. In 8 of the last 24 years it made an
"official" profit of over 50%, in 2 of those years even over 100%. In the
meantime Soros handed business over to a group of managers and limits himself to
designing the "great campaigns". He put down his princples in the book, "The
Alchemy of Finance", where he says what "financial speculators think more
important than real economic facts". But this is but the
picture the media -- and we know who owns them --paint of him. Who is he in
reality? William Engdahl knows this to say about him:
"Soros speculates on the world's financial markets via
his secret off-shore company, "Quantum Fund NV", a private "investment fund"
that handles a portfolio of 4 to 7 Billion US$ for several "clients". The
Quantum Fund is registered in the tax haven of the Netherland Antilles in the
Caribbean. In order to evade control of his financial activities by the U.S.
administration not a single U.S. citizen sits on the board of Quantum. It's
directors are a curious mixture of Swiss and Italian financiers...
Soros has been identified as a front man of the
Anglo-French Rothschild banking group. Understandably neither he nor the
Rothschilds want this important fact to be public, so the tight links to his
friends in the London "City", in the British foreign ministry, in the state of
Israel and to his mighty friends in the American establishment would stay
concealed." Among the members of the board of the Quantum
Fund is one Richard Katz. He is, at the same time, head of the "Rothschild
Italia S.p.A." in Milan and
[CTRL] Sv: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: U.S. to proceed on missile plan
-Caveat Lector- The present strange american plans for a National Missile Defense(NMD), to protect America from missile attack from Iraq, Iran, North Korea. are weird indeed . It is claimed by researchers from official institutions, that the technology to be used has not yet been developed. But the Bush administration is already pushing the NATO-partners to accept the project. What project? What is going on? In Jim Keiths Casebook on Alternative 3, (1994), page 110 Keiths quotes Peter Beter for stating, that the American and Russian spaceprogram had always been militaristic in purpose and secretly intended for conquest of the world by using particle weapons or lasers. I think I will follows Peter Beter's line of thought. The true purpose of the National Missile Defense(NMD) is to threaten and control the whole planet! Kind regards, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark - Original Message - From: Steve Wingate [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: U.S. to proceed on missile plan -Caveat Lector- Unalaterally abrogating the ABM Treaty will have very negative consequences for the arms race. Also, what is a few hundred billion dollars + when Social Security is going bankrupt and your hero Bush is cutting taxes for the rich? Deficit spending, that's what it is. Steve On 18 Jun 01, at 1:45, Aleisha Saba wrote: -Caveat Lector- Surely Steve if we can give billions of dollars to Israel every year to this tiny little state to defend itself from Jihud which is forever, a few billion dollars could be spent to protect the USA? For what would the Israelis do without us - find some other savior? Saba A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ANOMALOUS IMAGES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
[CTRL] Sv: [CTRL]The Muslim Jesus
-Caveat Lector- Dear June, I wrote you should not only look at the scriptures, but also at practise. I dont know of any type of christians of today, who cut of limbs and do stoning. But that is what muslims do today in some countries. And their holy text is the word of god, and has to be obeyed by the letter. Love, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark - Original Message - From: YnrChyldzWyld [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 2:14 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Sv: [CTRL] The Muslim Jesus -Caveat Lector- On Sat, 26 May 2001, [iso-8859-1] Ole Gerstrøm wrote: When looking at islam, it is not enough to read the holy scriptures. You must also look at islamic practise in the various countries. Look at Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan. Look at the treatment they give women and gays, One could say the same thing of fundamentalist Christian sects... The irony of the present-day practice of many fundamentalist Moslem sects to oppress women is the fact that historically Islam actually granted women a fair amount of civil rights...the Koran stipulated certain rights to women that the Christian Bible never did, and at the time that the religion of Islam developed, Moslem women enjoyed much greater civil rights than their Christian sisters in Europe could ever dream of... and the practice of stoning and cutting of limbs. Something that the Christian Bible actually calls for. June Check out Alternative Kite radio: http://www.live365.com/stations/242153 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Sv: [CTRL] The Muslim Jesus
-Caveat Lector- When looking at islam, it is not enough to read the holy scriptures. You must also look at islamic practise in the various countries. Look at Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan. Look at the treatment they give women and gays, and the practice of stoning and cutting of limbs. Kind Regards, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark Developing a Dialogue Between Christianity and Islam THE MUSLIM JESUS Collected, edited and translated by Tarif Khalidi. Harvard University Press $22.95, 243 pages By LARRY B. STAMMER, Times Religion Writer http://www.latimes.com/news/state/20010526/t44089.html Southern California is the most religiously diverse region in the world, with more than 600 variations of faiths in Los Angeles alone. Yet it is surprising how little followers of three major faiths--Judaism, Christianity and Islam--know about each other. In particular is the one-sided picture of Islam, sometimes portrayed as a terrorist religion. This kind of ignorance born of stereotypes is not only frustrating but, in some parts of the world, deadly. The fratricidal wars between Serbs, who are predominantly Orthodox Christians, and ethnic Albanians, who are predominantly Muslim, come to mind. Religious differences weren't the only sparks that ignited that conflagration. Ancient hatreds, grudges, economic differences and power politics have all been implicated. But the antipathy that fueled the conflict would have been less severe if Christians and Muslims knew more about each other's faiths. Because Christianity and Islam, unlike Judaism, are evangelical faiths whose followers are often on the front lines of winning converts, a dialogue is even more urgently needed. But dialogue cannot occur in an atmosphere of ignorance. It requires a working knowledge of each other. Now comes a book, The Muslim Jesus, which helps dispel the ignorance among Christians about Islam. It is a collection of Islamic sayings about Jesus in the Koran and Islamic literature. The Jesus sayings, published by Harvard University Press, were collected and edited by Tarif Khalidi, a professor of Arabic and director of the Centre of Middle Eastern and Islamic Studies, and fellow of King's College, Cambridge. The book is divided into two sections, Khalidi's introduction and commentary on the sayings, and the sayings themselves. Khalidi's commentary is grounded in solid research, if excessively academic in tone. But there are also shafts of insight. With a little perseverance, the reader is rewarded with a better understanding of Islam, and an appreciation of how one of the most central figures in Western civilization--Jesus of Nazareth--is perceived by another tradition. There are several hundred sayings and stories ascribed to Jesus in Islamic literature, including the Koran and Muslim works of ethics, popular devotion, anthologies of wisdom and histories of prophets and saints. Khalidi loosely refers to this collection as the Muslim Gospel. Jesus is known in the Koran and in the Muslim tradition as the Spirit of God and the Word of God. But, he is not the Son of God as Christians believe. Whereas Christians emphasize Jesus' culminating act of love and self-giving--his death on the cross and Resurrection for the sins of the world--Muslims emphasize his birth as the son of Mary.. It was a sinless birth that took place under a palm tree, not in a manger. Jesus lives, not as the second person of the Trinity, but as a messenger of Allah. Khalidi offers interesting tidbits, among them the fact that the Koran contains two word-for-word quotations from Hebrew and Christian Scriptures--the commandment stipulating an eye for an eye, and Jesus' saying that it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get to heaven. Jesus is not the only non-Muslim biblical figure mentioned in the Koran. Others include Moses, David, Solomon, Job and John the Baptist. There are also stories and sayings of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Jonah, Isaiah and Ezra--all figures in Hebrew Scripture, or what Christians call the Old Testament. But none hold as much interest and attention as Jesus. Jesus and his followers constitute one of the most theologically charged topics in the entire Koran, Khalidi writes. Among the Jesus sayings in Islamic literature are these: Blessed is he who sees with his heart but whose heart is not in what he sees. Be at ease with people and ill at ease with yourself. Christ said, 'The world is a bridge. Cross this bridge but do not build upon it.' Jesus said, 'The heart of a believer cannot really support the love of both this world and the next, just as a single vessel cannot really support both water and fire.' But there is no Sermon on the Mount, no parables, no teachings on the law and the spirit in Islamic literature. Instead, Jesus is followed by
[CTRL] Sv: [CTRL] Thou Shalt Not Tolerate
This writer compares Christian texts with Taliban actions. That is nonsense. It would only make sense, to compare todays Christian acts with todays Taliban acts. It appears, that todays political correctness also includes no criticisme of that evil movement which is Islam on the move. This includes armed struggle in Palestine, Bosnia, Kosovo, Libanon, Sudan, Eritrea, Tjetenien, Ethiopia, Somalia, Afghanistan, Turkmenistan, Usbekistan, Kirgisistan, Kashmir, Burma, Indonesia, The Philippines,Turky, Libanon, Israel, Egypten, Algier, to name the worst places. Best, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark - Original Message - From: William Shannon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 10:02 PM Subject: [CTRL] Thou Shalt Not Tolerate http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=10599 Thou Shalt Not Tolerate Knute Berger, AlterNet March 13, 2001 Earlier this month, the Taliban -- the Islamic fundamentalist sect that controls Afghanistan -- ordered the destruction of Buddhist statues and relics throughout the country, including several large 3rd and 5th century statues that stand over 100 feet high. "These idols have been the gods of the infidels," the Taliban declared, "and are respected even now and perhaps may be turned into gods again." Despite howls of protest from western countries, museums curators, UNESCO, and many fellow Muslims, the Taliban's armed forces commenced the destruction of the Buddhas, blasting away at them with canons, tanks, and bombs. In doing so, they were carrying our the irreversible orders of their religions and political leaders. The Buddhas are being destroyed not because they are unimportant or disrespected, but precisely because they are seen by the Taliban -- and nearly the entire international community -- as powerful and important religious images. While the voices of tolerance argue that they should be preserved, the forces of religious fundamentalism have prevailed. Many in the West have decried the Taliban's vandalism. One museum professional I know called the acts of destruction a form of "savagery." Others have said it is typical of Muslim intolerance. Islam, said the Rev. Jerry Falwell recently, is a faith that "teaches hate." Before joining the chorus of those condemning the Taliban, let's consider religious intolerance closer to home. Christian intolerance for one. There is a strong move in America to post the Biblical 10 Commandments in courtrooms, schools and other public places and civic spaces. In fact, in 1999 Congress passed the 10 Commandments Defence Act amendment that would permit this -- though the law is Constiutionally questionable. Many Americans consider the 10 Commandments a no-brainier -- basic rules of behavior we can all agree upon. Pope John Paul II calls them "the universal moral law valid in every time and place." But the 10 Commandments are first and foremost a religious document. The 1st Commandment states "Thou shalt have no other gods before me," clearly saying that there is no room for worship of any other than the Judeo-Christian god, a statement of intolerance that hardly is inclusive of other religions, including Buddhism, Hinduism and many other of the world's faiths. The 2nd Commandment goes further: "Thou shalt make unto thee no graven images..." God goes on to pledge to punished those who worship such graven images "visiting iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the 3rd and 4th generation." So let's see, if you don't worship the Old Testament God, and if you make religious idols, God's wrath will be brought down upon you, your children, your grandchildren and your great grandchildren. Sounds a lot like the Taliban to me. Perhaps, indeed, they are simply doing God's work. The tension between the religious tolerance that we profess, and the religious doctrines we are taught is palpable. Examples are everywhere, and they're not just the Jerry Falwells. Earlier this year, a Presbyterian minister from Chicago dared to suggest at a religious conference that, while good Christians would attain salvation and go to Heaven, perhaps a merciful God had also designed other paths to salvation for Jews, Muslims, and other non-believers. His tolerant, broad-minded remarks uncorked a firestorm of controversy within the church and he was accused of heresy, for Presbyterian doctrine teaches specifically that salvation is only possible for Christians: the earth's other four billion inhabitants are on the fast-track to hell. So when we consider Islamic "savagery" related to Buddhist relics, I suggest we also consider another phrase found centuries ago on the wall of a ruined fort on the frontier of New France: "Nous somme tous sauvage" an anonymous French Indian fighter had carved. "We are all savages." Instead of focusing our moral
[CTRL] Dick Cheney-Reptilian?
-Caveat Lector- As Dick Cheney is being mentioned, I take the liberty to repost this article. Best, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark --- Forwarded message follows --- Date sent: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 14:55:09 -0400 (EDT) From: William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[CTRL] Dick Cheney-Reptilian? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send reply to: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Reptiles Could Be Watching You: by Jess Miller ___ Just after the Gulf War I was at my home, then in London, when the phone rang and a Canadian fishing guide - who I had never heard of - asked if I had one of the fishing reels named after his grandfather. I did indeed have one in my collection, but it was not for sale. However he continued to tell me how desperate he was to buy it and so I quoted him what I thought was a high price. Not having the money to be able to purchase it, he then offered to guide me for a week on British Columbia's Dean River in exchange for the reel. I had fished the Dean many years previously and a wondrous river and superbly powerful place it is too, with forested mountains rising from the often green, glacial river and Grizzly and Black Bears all over the place. Wild and powerful is how I would describe it and the Steelhead that run the Dean are some of the finest British Columbia has to offer. Well I was going to visit a friend in Vancouver anyway and so I agreed to the guide's proposition. So in time there we were camped in single tents on the banks of the Dean. We had flown in from Bella Coola to the tiny gravel airstrip and then had a drive over a really rough track up to where we had decided to camp and began to fish immediately. On the second day the guide said to me, "I want you to meet Dick Cheney." I was taken aback and looked at him for an explanation. "You know, Dick Cheney, the ex-U.S. Secretary of Defence." Well I of course knew who Cheney was, but we were miles into the wilderness of British Columbia in amongst the bears, so what the hell was this guy on about? "He's coming in as we go out and I want you to meet him." That was all that was said, I just shrugged and began to wonder whether the guide had a full set of marbles. We continued fishing and what with all the bear activity and releasing spectacular Steelhead back into the Dean, the Cheney proposition completely left my mind. So the week ended and we arrived back at the gravel airstrip to find a light plane being unloaded by a couple of guys and another fellow standing to one side, dressed in a sort of overcoat, not the type of thing you go into the wilderness of British Columbia wearing. This man made a beeline for my guide and they turned away from me and engaged in a seemingly deeply serious and somewhat animated discussion. Having been brought up to have manners I moved off two or three metres and stood patiently waiting until they had finished. Meanwhile the two who were unloading the plane were not happy about my doing this and one in particular kept eyeing me until eventually he stopped doing what he was doing and stood and looked at me. I just smiled, feeling a little awkward and also feeling that in a moment he was going to start something. His attitude was hostile and I was beginning to feel that something was really wrong when my guide and the other man turned to me. "Oh, and this is Jess Miller from London. Jess Miller, Dick Cheney." I held out my hand as it dawned on me that it was Cheney and said, "Pleased to meet you, Mr. Cheney. You'll be pleased to hear that I've left you some Steelhead in the river because that's what we Englishmen like to do for our fellow human beings." I don't know why I said it, it just came out, but I'm always joking when I'm fishing, that's the way I am. Cheney was facing me, but never looked me in the eyes, instead he looked steadfastly at my solar plexus, grunted at my remark and then looked at the ground at our feet. A few seconds later he walked over to his two companions and that was my one and only meeting with Dick Cheney ended and I must say I was glad that it was. I had felt awkward, uncomfortable and uneasy around him. I put it out of my mind and we flew out back to Bella Coola. It stayed out of my mind for the years afterwards as my life turned into a nightmarish procession of evil people ripping me off and gradually my finances waned to almost nothing. I was ill quite a lot and homeopathy helped me greatly. Finally I was poisoned in a murder attempt and the people made off owing me a large amount of money, which I will never see again. I survived full blown clinical depression, brought on by the arsenic based biological agent I had been administered, much to my toxicologist's amazement, but at least I am alive and happily starting out again from a zero financial base. Then, around June 1999, I
[CTRL] THE ART BAEL SHOW AND DAVID
- Original Message - From: Mike Clark To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 8:31 PM Subject: DavidIcke2000 RE: THE ART BAEL SHOW AND DAVID Dont count on ART BAEL having Ted Gunderson on either. Or Bo Gritz. Or William Cooper. The ART BAEL show is JUST ANOTHER FINE EXAMPLE of the CONTROLLED MEDIA. It's just that ART is a little more OPEN and some FUN to listen to. Just like I am reading Sir Laurence Gardner's latest book " Realm of the Ring Lords " he only gives you JUST SO MUCH INFORMATION and then suppresses the stuff he DOESNT WANT you to know. ALL TRULY GREAT DISINFORMATION EXPERTS ( AND ART BAEL is one of them ) will give you a SMATTERING of TRUTH just to WHET your appetite but then STEER you away from the REAL STORY. All in the great pattern of Propaganda Super Hero Doctor Joseph Goebbels. Mind control is now TWEAKED UP to a HIGH SCIENCE. But ONCE anybody LEARNS about the PSYCHO MIND CONTROL designed by the INFAMOUS MKULTRA LABORATORY AT TAVISTOCK IN LONDON and its little brother the STANFORD RESEARCH CENTER then the PROPAGANDISTS cant touch you anymore. When the individual FINALLY realizes that he is being MISLED at every JUNCTURE then NO ONE EVEN HIS own MOTHER can deceive him anymore. I HAVENT TRUSTED MY MOTHER FOR ABOUT 40 YEARS NOW. MIKE FROM DALLAS -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 12:37 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: DavidIcke2000 Mr.Bell will not have Mr.Icke on his show !To all members of David Ickes group, I have attempted to reach Art Bell now several times in regard to having both David Icke and Dr. Len Horowitz on anup coming show and apparently Mr. Bell will not have Mr. Icke on his show again, nor would Mr. Mike Seigal, who flatly told a caller no and hung-up after being asked if he would have David Icke on his show. Please fellow members, if you believe as I do about the message that Mr.Icke is revealing and that of Dr. Horowitz, lets get busy by contacting Art Bell via e-mail, phone or fax.Art, My name is Karl ***, form Lake Tahoe '1490 KOWL,' I have been listening to you since your KDWN days.I trust that during your absence you were able to read a lot of the books bysome of the guests you have had on your show over the past year or so and have been able to confirm or not the works of these authors. I have taken itupon myself to contact Elaine, Dr. Len Horowitzs' PR person, they would loveto be on your show any time your producers contact them. And would youplease consider having David Icke on again also? Possible both on the same show thesame night.I am sure Mr. Icke would be willing. Please Art, consider having them on together, all that you have discussed in the past is coming about. So muchis happening so quickly that most people have no idea of what is really goingon.Please Mr. Bell have these two on again and welcome back KarlSubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED]Unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[CTRL] Torture in the name of tradition/religion
The Truth About CircumcisionAll that is needed to understand the nature of circumcision, is to watch acircumcision being performedhttp://www.mothersagainstcirc.org/plastibell.htm and see the baby inquestion cry its little eyes out and scream in pain and terror, perhapsqualifying such babies as being "anti-circumcision" by nature in the eyes ofsome people. In March of 1999, the American Academy of Pediatrics announcedhttp://www.aap.org/advocacy/archives/marcircum.htm that they had concludedthat there is no weight of medical evidence in favor of routine neonatalmale infant circumcision and that babies being circumcised actually DO feelthe pain. http://www.cirp.org/library/pain/anand/ Because of this, the AAPclaimed, http://www.aap.org/policy/re9850.html they would no longerrecommend circumcision as a routine neonatal operation, and have now statedthat circumcision should be an "ethical" choice. Female genital mutilation is now a felony crime in the United States. In thedecade of the 90's, after over 20 years of debate, lawmakers in Californiaand Washington, D.C. finally passed laws making the genital mutilation offemale humans under the age of 18 a felony crime. However, boys areapparently not considered "people" by the courts and are therefore notentitled to equal protection, and they apparently do not possess the sameworth and dignity as do little girls. Boys and men apparently do not qualifyas "people" according to the American Medical Association (AMA) either, andtherefore their members are apparently free to ignore the ethical standardsthat the AMA uses for girls. This inconsistent legal interpretation is also in conflict with existinginternational law, in that the United Nations non-governmental organization"National Organization of Circumcision Information Resource Centers"(NOCIRC) http://nocirc.org/ has acknowledged that male infant circumcisionis, in fact, a form of child abuse. http://www.nocirc.org/legal/Furthermore, NOCIRC currently presents information that male infantcircumcision is clearly in violationhttp://www.nocirc.org/legal/smith.html of the United Nations Convention onthe Rights of the Child http://www.cirp.org/library/ethics/UN-convention/AND the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights.http://www.cirp.org/library/ethics/UN-human/ In that respect, NOCIRC alsopresents an alternative birth ritual, developed by a Jewish parent inconsultation with his rabbi, entitled Brit Shalom, Covenant of Wholeness,http://www.nocirc.org/religion/Naming%20ceremony.html and this ritual nowoffers religious parents a way to maintain their religious convictions whilealso avoiding violation of international law, and prospective futurenational law. In the United States during the decade of the 90's, approximately 1 millioninfant boys annually had circumcision unwillingly perform upon them - morethan 3,000 babies each day - one child approximately every 30 seconds. Thissurgery used more than $250 million health care dollars annually as well asuntold personnel hours. Globally, 15-20% of male children were subjected tosome form of non-medically indicated genital mutilation. Circumcision is extremely painful and traumatic for a baby. In the maleversion, the baby is placed spread-eagle on his back on a board and his armsand legs are strapped down so that he can not move. His genitals arescrubbed and covered with antiseptic. His foreskin is torn from the glansand slit lengthwise so that the circumcision instrument can be inserted.Then his foreskin is cut off, usually without anesthetic.http://www.mothersagainstcirc.org/plastibell.htm While this may appear to be an odd thing to do to a baby boy, the ancientorthodox religious ritual is more bizarre. According to "The UniversalJewish Encyclopedia"; "The circumcision rite consists of the following: . ..3. metzitzah, the sucking of the wound, to staunch the blood, by means ofthe mouth, as practiced in earlier times, or by means of a suction cylinderor other modern methods in more recent times." Believe it or not, the female version of circumcision in some societies iseven more bizarre, removing most or all of the girl's clitoris, and is oftenperformed with a sharp but dirty instrument only vaguely resembling a knife;the claim by these people is that a girl who is not mutilated in this manneris "unclean" in the eyes of society and their future husband. In some othercases, the mutilation is performed by a newly-betrothed husband of a younggirl bride who is sometimes brutally raped after the bloody mutilation. The often repeated claim that babies can not feel pain is not true.http://www.cirp.org/news/1996.05.29%3aNewYorkTimes Babies are as sensitiveto pain as anyone else. Most babies scream frantically when their foreskinor clitoris is cut off. Some defecate, and some lapse into a coma. Thereason why some babies do not cry when they are circumcised is that they cannot cry because they are in a
[CTRL] Vs: DavidIcke2000 RE: SATANIC RITUALS AT THE 40 FOOT OWL
- Original Message - From: Mike Clark To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 8:45 PM Subject: DavidIcke2000 RE: SATANIC RITUALS AT THE 40 FOOT OWL I got this information from the last 2 nights shortwave interviews with former FBI AGENT TED GUNDERSON. PAUL BONACCI now 32 years old was A MEMBER OF THE FINDERS GROUP OPERATING OUT OF WASHINGTON DC. BONACCI WAS AWARDED A MILLION DOLLARS OF LAW SUIT COMPENSATION FOR BEING ABUSED AT THE HANDS OF AN OMAHA NEBRASKA SATANIC CULT. A FORMER BIG SHOT REPUBLICAN WHO SANG THE NATIONAL ANTHEMS AT THE 1980 AND 1984 REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CONVENTIONS WAS CONVICTED OF CHILD ABUSE IN THE CASE. BONACCI REPORTS THAT HE WAS ONCE FLOWN FROM OMAHA NEBRASKA IN A PRIVATE JET TO THE NORTHERN CALIFORNIA BOHEMIAN GROVE SATANIC RITUAL SITE. The video " DARK SECRETS OF BOHEMIAN GROVE " can be purchased by going to www.infowars.com Bonacci that this ritual which occurred approximately 20 years ago was held at the feet of the 40 FOOT GREAT OWL OF MOLECH. MOLECH is an ANCIENT BABYLONIAN DEITY AND ONE OF THE SUPPOSED FALLEN ANGELS EJECTED FROM HEAVEN WITH LUCIFER AND OTHERS. AT THE FOOT OF THE 40 FOOT OWL IN SONOMA COUNTY CALIFORNIA BONACCI STATED THAT HE TOOK PART IN A FILMED SNUFF VIDEO OF A YOUNG CHILD KIDNAPPED BY THE FINDERS GROUP OUT OF WASHINGTON DC. TO SEE MORE ABOUT BONACCI , SEARCH ON THE FRANKLIN COVERUP. OR GO TO http://www.raven1.net/ra1.htm Gunderson says there are approximately 3,000,000 practicing Satanists in the United States who interface with a large number in the UNITED KINGDOM. READERS DIGEST MAGAZINE reported in 1995 that 100,000 American children disappear every year to NEVER BE HEARD FROM AGAIN. THE FINDERS GROUP IN DC WAS OPERATED BY A HIGH LEVEL CIA OPERATIVE. Mike from dallas eGroups Sponsor Choose 3 DVDs for $0.49 each! Subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED]Unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[CTRL] BUSH TAKES THE OATH: ANOTHER SHAPESHIFTER IN THE WHITE HOUSE
BUSH TAKES THE OATH: ANOTHER SHAPESHIFTER IN THE WHITE
HOUSE.by David Icke Saturday, January 20th, 2001, will be
remembered as a dark day for human freedom - the day that George W. Bush
took the oath on the same Freemasonic Bible used by George Washington and
became the 43rd President of the United States.It is not George W.
Bush that is truly the problem, it is all that he represents. Bush ("Shrub")
is president in name only, of course. The real power is with others behind
the scenes, like his father George Bush and those of even greater authority
than he, like Henry Kissinger and other leg-men for the Illuminati.
We can see this clearly in the people the Shrub has appointed to
"his" cabinet. It is like a roll call of Illuminati placemen that served
under his father and other child abusers, rapists, and serial killers like
Gerald Ford. Alongside them are a stream of Illuminati operatives from
corporate America, including ALCOA, the Aluminum cartel controlled by the
infamous Mellon family, those close friends of the British royal family. It
is ALCOA and the Mellons who gave us fluoride, a poison and mind
suppressant, in public drinking water.Shrub's vice-president, Dick
Cheney, was his father's Defence Secretary and together they launched the
"NATO" (British-American) war on Iraq in 1991. Cheney, as exposed by Cathy
O'Brien in Trance-Formation of America, is yet another mind controller,
child abuser, and serial killer. Colin Powell, the head of the Joint Chiefs
of Staff, was America's highest military commander during the Gulf War
and you do not get to that level unless you know what people like Father
George and Cheney are involved in. Powell, like the Bushes and Cheney, is
bloodline and that's why he is to be the new Secretary of State. Given that
line-up and their mentality and agenda, don't be at all surprised if the
United States finds itself in another manipulated war during this
administration. You will see "monsters" being created in the public mind to
justify such action.The Bush inauguration marks the start of the massive
push by the Illuminati to further their agenda for a global fascist state.
You will see this clearly unfolding in the next 24 months and, as usual,
watch what they do, not what they say. The Bush administration will be a
cold, calculating, vicious, period of human history. I know people who have
met the Shrub during his period as Governor of Texas and cold, calculating,
and vicious, as well as staggeringly unintelligent, are words they chose to
describe him. But those who will be dictating the actions of his presidency
make him look like a puppy dog. Or maybe lapdog would be more
appropriate.Even many of those who still deny any evidence of a global
fascist state emerging before our eyes will be shocked out of their comatose
state by the time the Shrub leaves office. Indeed, probably long before.
[CTRL] Icke 365 football
As some of you may know David Icke used to play football,he was a goalkeeper,the blokewho tried to stop the other team scoring.We all know about David's website http://www.davidicke.com well i wonder if you knew that David writes about football (soccer to the Americans) in his article for the website http://www.football365.com I thought this article was interesting,i always wondered how long it would take him to mention the Bilderberg group in his soccer column. Features Columns David Icke - 365 Columnist Last Updated: Wednesday 17 January 2001 18:08 'End Of Transfer Fees Is First Step To A Global Fascist State' HANDS UP everyone who thinks they are free. Oh, almost everyone then? And of course they are right. They are free to pay whatever the government chooses they should pay for a pint of beer or a litre of petrol. They are free to buy a lottery ticket and see their money used to save the government's face at the Millennium Dome while others suffer, go hungry or die through lack of finance. They are free to see laws passed in which they have had no say and they are free to obey those laws or face the freedom of being arrested and fined. They are free to be told what they want to hear by politicians seeking their votes and they are free to watch those politicians ignore everything they promised once they get into office. Now we are free, it would appear, to see the game of football turned into a farce. Have you ever met a European Commissioner? Do you know what they look like, where they work, who controls them and to what end? Have you ever had the chance to question any of them or put your point of view to them? Can you name any of them? Have you even had the chance to vote for one? No, no, no, no, no. And yet, these are the guys who are imposing their dictatorship on the game of football in a way that will destroy the professional sport. Can you imagine what football would be like if a player could leave a club at a month's notice? How would Alex Ferguson sort out his squad for the games ahead? - "Hey Beckham, we've got a match in Barcelona next month, are you going to still be here or will you be playing for them by then? Do I plan to use your talents or to stop them? And what about you Barthez, Stam, Giggs and Cole, where will you be next month? Any thoughts?" Changing the names on the replica shirts would be a 24-hour-a-day industry and the vans of revolving door manufacturers would be a common site at clubs all over Europe. The game would be dead in the water. All the best players would gravitate to the clubs who could pay the biggest wages and this would happen on a scale that dwarfs even what we see today. The Premiership in England would be like the Premier League in Scotland is now and smaller clubs who depend for their survival on transfer profits would go under in droves. The domestic professional game would collapse and football would comprise of the few top clubs in each country playing in their own European League. Of course, when Jimmy Hill led the players' revolt against their financial abuse by football clubs in the 1960s, the changes that followed were perfectly justified and long overdue - why should there be a maximum wage while the income of the player's club goes on rising? But there is a balance in all things and the abolition of transfers and contracts that commit a player to a club for an agreed period would devastate football as a spectacle and eventually bring an end to the professional game in towns and even some cities all over the UK. How would Wimbledon have survived as a Premiership club, for instance, had they not received more than they spent in transfer fees? And what incentive would there be to invest money in youngsters if you knew that the moment they made it big, they could walk out and join a bigger club paying bigger wages and you would receive no compensation for the investment in that player's
[CTRL] 33
In the workshop I noticed a sign from Bosch, the german maker of electrical automobile components. There were stars in groups all over the sign, and I started counting. I counted twice, but there was no doubt, a total of 32 stars on the sign. So maybe Bosch was not a masonic operation after all. But then I became aware of, in the middle of the sign, a large half-moon. That added up to 33 celestial objects! Are you convinced? What do our masonic experts say on this? Any comments from the lodge? Best, Ole Gerstrom, Copenhagen, Denmark
[CTRL] Vs: Re: [CTRL] Global warming claims 'based on false data'??
-Caveat Lector- August 23, 2000 Contact: Jason L. Jenkins Information Specialist (573) 882-6217 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://web.missouri.edu/~news/releases/icesheet.html GREENLAND ICE SHEET CHANGES ARE NORMAL; NO EVIDENCE OF LONG-TERM CLIMATE CHANGES, RESEARCHERS SAY COLUMBIA, Mo. - Almost three years ago, Curt Davis, a researcher at the University of Missouri-Columbia, discovered that some areas of the southern Greenland ice sheet varied dramatically in elevation over a 10-year period. An extensive study by a team of scientists, including Davis, has now found that normal weather patterns are the cause, not any long-term climate changes such as global warming. In a paper that will appear in the Aug. 24 edition of Nature, Davis and his co investigators will report that changes in the ice sheet's upper elevations, areas above 6,000 feet, are caused by natural variations in snow accumulation over time. "When we released our original findings, they were somewhat controversial," said Davis, an associate professor of electrical engineering who has been using remote-sensing satellites to study changes in the ice sheet since 1990. "Our data indicated that overall, the ice sheet was maintaining a constant elevation, but we found great variability over short distances, with substantial thickening in some areas and strong thinning in other areas." Shortly after his study was released, Davis and a group of researchers led by Joe McConnell, an associate research professor at the Desert Research Institute in Reno, Nev., joined together to investigate the cause of the variability in elevation. Using ice cores, each 45 to 400 feet deep, that were collected from 12 locations around the southern Greenland ice sheet above 6,000 feet, the researchers measured variations in the concentrations of dust and chemical compounds such as hydrogen peroxide, calcium and ammonium. The researchers used this analysis to determine the amount of snow that accumulated each year over the time span of the cores. "Analyzing ice cores is similar to studying tree rings," Davis said. "Just as the distance between a tree's rings represents its growth that year, the amount of ice between layers of certain compounds indicates that year's accumulation in that location." Ice core analysis and modeling revealed that areas where elevation changed dramatically had a corresponding variation in snowfall during the study period. Further analysis indicated these snowfall variations were consistent with natural fluctuations over decades. This proves the elevation changes across southern Greenland that Davis discovered in his earlier study were not unusual. Just last month, two other studies were reported that support Davis and his co investigators' findings. These studies also found that, overall, the ice sheet's upper elevations were relatively stable. However, one of these studies found that most of the lower elevations of the ice sheet were thinning rapidly, with rates exceeding three feet a year in some locations along the edges. "Although there doesn't appear to be any changes in southern Greenland's upper elevations that can be associated with global warming, dramatic lower elevation thinning has been documented," Davis said. "While this thinning seems to have had no effect on the upper elevations so far, more study is needed to determine its cause and the possible impact on the ice sheet's contribution to sea-level rise in the future." Other universities who participated in the study include: the University of Washington, Ohio State University, the University of Arizona and the University of Nebraska. Funding was provided by grants from NASA and the National Science Foundation. -30- Robert F. Tatman Information Technology Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jenkintown, PA, USA *Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity.* A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A
[CTRL] Sv: Re: [CTRL] Sir Laurence a shapeshifter?
-Caveat Lector- Dear Duncan M. Roads, Editor, NEXUS Magazine, Thank you for your reply. The shape-shifters must be happy with the fine PR-work, you are doing for them. Maybe they will bestow a membership of some fine order upon you? However from the viewpoint of truth, you have not done well. Truth is suffering. You did not even answer the question, I have asked you twice: Yes, but did Gardner really find this path. Did he not base his works on Masonic and similar sources? Best, Ole Gerstrom, Copenhagen, Denmark - Original Message - From: nexusmagazine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 4:09 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Sir Laurence a shapeshifter? -Caveat Lector- thanks for posting this Ole. Now everyone can see what happens to researchers of our ilk, who happen to contradict David Icke's favourite theory of the moment. And for the record, I would not say we have massively promoted Laurence Gardner. He became popular in his own right amongs NEXUS-type readers, BASED ON HIS RESEARCH! Gardner is NOT nobility, does NOT claim to stem from any royal lineage, and is an ordinary guy. His titles were bestowed upon him so as to grant access to records of various royal families of Europe. Icke, Swerdlow and Wilder should be ashamed of themselves for publishing such smear. I would have expected to see this sort of unsubstantiated trash in Weekly World News. Shame on YOU too Ole for regurgitating such rubbish. Why don't YOU do some research and find out for yourself how shoddy David Icke's research is? Why don't you or Icke debate Gardner on his research points instead of name-calling and character smear? Are you cowards? Are you on some agenda? Why stoop to such gutter tactics to disuade people from reading Gardner's work? Must be threatened by something he says methinks! IS THIS TRUE, SIR LAURENCE? New claims that Sir Laurence Gardner is a shape-shifter who takes part in human sacrifice rituals. Major revelations about the reptilian presence on this planet. by DAVID ICKE Many people were understandably shocked and skeptical when Arizona Wilder claimed in the video, Revelations of a Mother Goddess, that Sir Laurence Gardner, the author and head of the ancient Royal Court of the Dragon Sovereignty, was a shape-shifting reptilian who took part in Satanic human sacrifice rituals she had witnessed. Nexus Magazine, and its publisher, Duncan Roads, have been particularly scathing of these claims. Hardly surprising, when Sir Laurence Gardner has been massively promoted by Roads and his magazine. But now the author and lecturer, Stewart Swerdlow, says that he also witnessed human sacrifice and blood drinking rituals at the Montauk mind control centre on Long Island, New York, in which Sir Laurence Gardner played a major role. Swerdlow is the author of five books, The Montauk Project: The Alien Connection; The Healers Handbook; As You Sow, So You Shall Reap; Healing of the Mind; and The White Owl Legend. He says he was a victim of the now extensively documented mind control operation at Montauk Point from the age of 14 in the early seventies. He was one of the so-called "Montauk Boys". Duncan M. Roads Editor, NEXUS Magazine PO Box 30, Mapleton Qld 4560 Australia Tel: +61 (0)7 5442 9280; Fax: +61 (0)7 5442 9381 http://www.nexusmagazine.com ICQ#62399259 "The nature of the universe is such that ends can never justify the means. On the contrary, the means always determine the end." (Aldous Huxley) A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to
[CTRL] Sir Laurence a shapeshifter?
IS THIS TRUE, SIR LAURENCE? New claims that Sir Laurence Gardner is a shape-shifter who takes part in human sacrifice rituals. Major revelations about the reptilian presence on this planet. by DAVID ICKE Many people were understandably shocked and skeptical when Arizona Wilder claimed in the video, Revelations of a Mother Goddess, that Sir Laurence Gardner, the author and head of the ancient Royal Court of the Dragon Sovereignty, was a shape-shifting reptilian who took part in Satanic human sacrifice rituals she had witnessed. Nexus Magazine, and its publisher, Duncan Roads, have been particularly scathing of these claims. Hardly surprising, when Sir Laurence Gardner has been massively promoted by Roads and his magazine. But now the author and lecturer, Stewart Swerdlow, says that he also witnessed human sacrifice and blood drinking rituals at the Montauk mind control centre on Long Island, New York, in which Sir Laurence Gardner played a major role. Swerdlow is the author of five books, The Montauk Project: The Alien Connection; The Healers Handbook; As You Sow, So You Shall Reap; Healing of the Mind; and The White Owl Legend. He says he was a victim of the now extensively documented mind control operation at Montauk Point from the age of 14 in the early seventies. He was one of the so-called "Montauk Boys". He has never named names before, but has now chosen to talk to me about his experience of Sir Laurence, who has gained fame in recent years on the New Age and Holy Grail "circuit" for his books claiming that the Merovingian bloodline is the bloodline of Jesus. His best known works are Bloodlines of the Holy Grail and the Genesis of the Grail Kings: The Explosive Story of Genetic Cloning and the Ancient Bloodline of Jesus. I have most strongly contended in my own books and talks that this claim about the bloodline of "Jesus" is a diversion from the fact that the "Holy Grail" or Merovingian bloodline is a key reptilian bloodline from which vast numbers of people in royal, political, economic, religious, and military power today, genetically descend. It is the desire to maintain this reptilian genetic structure which has led to the obsessive interbreeding for aeons to the present day of the "elite" families. Sir Laurence himself calls these "Holy Grail" bloodlines the "dragon" bloodlines, but claims that this term derives from the use of crocodile fat in the royal ceremonies of ancient Egypt. I would contend that the word "dragon" has a much more fundamental meaning than that. These bloodlines, which have invariably ended up in the positions of power since pre-history, have a much more dominant reptilian genetic code which has resulted from interbreeding thousands of years ago between a reptilian race (the "Serpent" race of endless legend) and the mammal-dominated bloodlines which we call "human". Sir Laurence claims that the dragon bloodline, which he connects to the House of Stewart, has the right to the British throne and indeed that these bloodlines have the right to rule in general. According to him the senior legitimate descendant in this line is HRH Prince Michael Stewart, Count of Albany, although the background to this guy is being increasingly questioned and there are claims that he has invented the title. Sir Laurence also talks in positive terms about the drinking of menstrual blood, or "Starfire", which, interestingly, was the Illuminati code name of Arizona Wilder, the "Mother Goddess" who conducted sacrificial rituals for the Illuminati in a mind-controlled state (See Revelations of a Mother Goddess and The Biggest Secret). You can read at length what Sir Laurence is claiming on this link: (Starfire Article) In my view it is classic disinformation or what I call gin and tonic with a twist. A great deal of truth, spun with the idea that these dragon bloodlines are not literally reptilian and are, instead, the genetic stream of Jesus and Mary Magdalene. In an article in Nexus Magazine, he acknowledges that ancient legends said these lines were literally shape-shifting reptilians, but in an obvious swipe at The Biggest Secret, he says that it is astonishing in these more enlightened times that anyone can still believe it. Sorry, Sir Laurence, the evidence will overwhelm you and is already beginning to do so. Laurence Gardner has quite a CV: Chancellor of the Royal Court of the Dragon Sovereignty, which first emerged in Egypt in around 2,200BC and is now based in Britain; Prior of the Celtic Church's Sacred Kindred of St Columba, and an "internationally known sovereign and chivalric genealogist" Chevalier Labhran de Saint Germain, "Presidential Attache to the European Council of Princes - a constitutional advisory body established in 1946" formally attached to the Noble Household Guard of the Royal House
[CTRL] The Duke of Windsor gave military secrets to Adolf Hitler
DUKE OF WINDSOR "TRIED TO PASS MILITARY SECRETS TO HITLER"SAYS NEW BOOK.by David Icke The Duke of Windsor, who abdicated in 1936 to marry the American divorcee, Wallis Simpson, gave military secrets to Adolf Hitler, a new book claims.The author, Martin Allen, claims to have a letter written by the Duke to Hitler, dated November 4th, 1939, two months after the start of the war. It begins "Dear Mr. Hitler" and is signed "EP" - Edward Prince, a term which the Duke sometimes used. The letter talks about a tour of the French frontline, which the Duke had made for the British military high command and he asks Hitler to pay close attention to information which the man taking the letter to Berlin had memorised. This man was Charles Bedaux, a pro-German spy and a friend of the Duke. Martin Allen believes that Bedaux gave Hitler vital information from the Duke which allowed the Germans to overrun the French defences at their weakest point and occupy France in just six weeks. The letter appears to suggest that the Duke would be willing to resume the British throne once they had agreed a peace settlement with Hitler.Certainly there were massive links between Hitler and the British royal family, much as they have tried to keep this quiet. Some of Hitler's biggest supporters were the German relatives of Prince Philip and the Queen (See The Biggest Secret). Indeed the House of Windsor-Mountbatten is actually the German houses of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, and Battenberg. The royal family changed their name in 1917 during the first world war to make their German name sound "British". So Saxe-Coburg-Gotha became Windsor and Battenberg became Mountbatten.The question remains: is the Duke's letter genuine or fake? Philippa Lavell, a handwriting analyst commissioned by Martin Allen, says it was definitely written by the Duke. Two forensic document examiners says they doubt it is authentic. Allen says the original source of the letter was Albert Speer, Hitler's former munitions minister. Link URL for websites http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles2/dukewindsor.htmlFeel free to post this page URL anywhere! Copyright(c) David Icke- Bridge of Love PublicationsPermission granted to distribute this article freely in free-to-the-public media and publicationsOther requests should be directed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bridge of Love USA Call 1-800-444-2524 diartpurp.jpg purpline.gif cornerpurp.gif biggestsec.gif Trigger.gif ama-uk.gif ama-de.gif bol-uk.jpg bol-au.jpg bol-za.jpg
[CTRL] David Icke - Current Features
http://www.davidicke.com/icke/main.htmlThe most controversial authorand speaker in the worldCurrent Featureson www.DavidIcke.comTHE REPTILIAN CONNECTION:THE LATEST INFORMATIONThe Reptilian Brain ~ by David IckeClaims that Sir Laurence Gardner is a shape-shifter who takes part in humansacrifice ritualsTHE BIGGEST CHILD ABUSE SCANDALIN UK HISTORY IS JUST ONE HORRENDOUS EXAMPLEOF A MASSIVE GLOBAL NETWORKTONY BLAIR -ONE OF THE MOST CORRUPT POLITICAL LEADERS IN THE WORLD. SOME PEOPLE SPEAKWITH FORKED TONGUE, BUT BLAIR'S TONGUE LOOKS LIKE A MAJOR FREEWAYINTERCHANGETHIS WEBSITE CALLS FOR AN END TO ALL RACISM!YES, ALL RACISM, INCLUDING THIS!ILLUMINATI AND ROBOT RADICALSHOW YOU FINANCE THE NEW WORLD ORDER - OR HOW YOU BORROW MONEY THAT DOES NOTEXIST AND PAY INTEREST ON ITMinistry of "Prosperity"- The Federal Reserve BoardReal Money is Real TitleA STENCH TO MAKE YOUR NOSTRILS ACHE:LIFTING THE VEIL ON THE HOUSE OF WINDSORHOUSE OF WINDSORINTRODUCTION BY DAVID ICKETHE ROTHSCHILDS:THE STORY THAT JEWISH PEOPLEREALLYNEED TO KNOW THE KINDERCARE 'SATANIC ABUSE" CLAIMSPlease read this. Very important,headline NEWS storyEVIDENCE FROM AROUND THE WORLD SUPPORTS THE EXPOSE' OF SATANISM IN THEBIGGEST SECRETSee this Shocking Evidence in Global Reports HereTHE ILLUMINATIRAPEOF AFRICATHE "ANUNNAKI" CONTINENTWHAT REALLY HAPPENED TO PAN AM FLIGHT 103? IF TWO LIBYIANS DID NOT DO IT -WHICH THEY DIDN'T - THEN WHO DID?LES COLEMAN, A MAN BEING PERSECUTED FOR STANDING UP FOR TRUTH AND JUSTICEJOHN McCAIN:THE PEOPLES' FRIEND OR THE BUDWEISER "PRESIDENT"er- Vice President? THE FASCIST STATES OF AMERICA EXPOSED FOR ALL TO SEEU.S.A.THE BUSH GANG:WANTED FOR INTERNATIONAL MURDER,CHILD ABUSE, DRUG RUNNING, AND GENOCIDE.YOU KNOW THE FATHERNOW MEET THE SONUFOS: THE EVIDENCE AND THE SCAMSTHE "CHRISTIAN" CON MENPAT ROBERTSON:THE MORALE CRUSADER WHO IS FRIEND AND SUPPORTER OF THE PAEDOPHILE GEORGEBUSH. eGroups Sponsor Armageddon or New Age? Daily Magazine.To unsubscribe send a blank email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[CTRL] Vs: [robots-rebellion] Jesus the Morning Star = Lucifer
- Original Message - From: Mike Clark To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 8:29 PM Subject: RE: [robots-rebellion] Jesus the Morning Star = Lucifer Thanks Rene. It wasnt me who came up with the idea however. I stole it from Sir Laurence Gardner. Just regurgitating it to the group. Mike-Original Message-From: r russo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 1:58 PMTo: d; d; d; m; r; tSubject: [robots-rebellion] Jesus the Morning Star = LuciferMike; i think you are really on to something..It isobvious that this Jesus figure is related to the Royalbloodlines and therefore the Reptilians. Eating thesymbol of the body (Eucharist) and the Drinking of theBlood (wine) seems totally Reptilian influenced. Forall the bible thumpers out there, read revelations22:16. Jesus states "I am the Morning Star". Latin isthe official language of the Catholic Church. In aLatin dictionary MORNING STAR = LUCIFER.. Go look itup for yourselves..__Do You Yahoo!?Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online!http://photos.yahoo.com/To Post a message, send it to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] eGroups Sponsor Chase Platinum Credit CardTo Post a message, send it to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[CTRL] Sv: Re: [CTRL] Sv: [CTRL] Laurence Gardner-again
-Caveat Lector- Dear Duncan M. Roads, Editor, NEXUS Magazine, Thanks for your reply. It indicates, that you might be interested in the truth of the matter. Allow me to comment: DR:1) Swerdlow did 'suddenly remember' - read his own words if you don't believe me. He was watching a video of Laurene at the NEXUS Conference, when he realised he 'had seen Gardner before. OG: Yes, he realised he 'had seen Gardner before'. Here follows the very words of Swerdlow: It wasn't until years later that I saw a picture of Gardner and I realised it was him. It was quite a shock to me that here was this man who performed heinous ceremonies with me and there he was on this video I was watching, which, by the way, was made by Duncan Roads (a Nexus video). DR:2) Icke DID smear Gardner - read his own words if you don't believe me. Also, watch any of Icke's video presentations that year. You will even hear him allege that Zecharia Sitchin is a shape-shifting reptilian alien. OG: Now you are smearing Icke, claiming that Ickes smeared, without giving any evidence, which you have had ample time to present. And yes, Icke has alleged that Zecharia Sitchin is a shape-shifter. DR:3) Ick DID ask for dirt on Gardner - read his own words if you dont believe me. OG: Again you are throwing dirt with no evidence. And here again are the words of David Icke: "If Sir Laurence Gardner has any reply to what Stewart Swerdlow is saying, please send it to this website and I will make sure that every word is printed with equal prominence." Icke received no reply. DR:4) Icke's key researcher DID leave in disgust. I refer to Ivan Fraser OG: This is contrary to the words of David Icke. OG: However, more interesting, you did not answer this question: OG: Yes, but did Gardner really find this path. Did he not base his works on Masonic and similar sources? Best, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark - Original Message - From: nexusmagazine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Sv: [CTRL] Laurence Gardner-again -Caveat Lector- Dear Duncan M. Roads, Editor, NEXUS Magazine, I have made comments below to correct your blatant errors on the subject of David Icke, Stewart Swerdlow and Laurence Gardner. Your text is marked DR, my response is marked OG. Best, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark Dear Ole, I read through your 'corrections' and thought 'why even bother' trying to rationalise with such a blind believer? 1) Swerdlow did 'suddenly remember' - read his own words if you don't believe me. He was watching a video of Laurene at the NEXUS Conference, when he realised he 'had seen Gardner before. 2) Icke DID smear Gardner - read his own words if you don't believe me. Also, watch any of Icke's video presentations that year. You will even hear him allege that Zecharia Sitchin is a shape-shifting reptilian alien. 3) Ick DID ask for dirt on Gardner - read his own words if you dont believe me. 4) Icke's key researcher DID leave in disgust. I refer to Ivan Fraser. You are obviously not worried about letting the truth get in the way of your beliefs about Icke! And by the way, you did not respond to being corrected when you stated that "NEXUS banished Icke from its pages". I repeat, NEXUS has never banished Icke from its pages, because it has never had Icke in its pages! We were telling the world most of what Icke published years before Icke ever heard of any of this. You are just so inaccurate with your statements that I wonder why I even bother trying to correct someone so uninterested in truth! Duncan Duncan M. Roads Editor, NEXUS Magazine PO Box 30, Mapleton Qld 4560 Australia Tel: +61 (0)7 5442 9280; Fax: +61 (0)7 5442 9381 http://www.nexusmagazine.com ICQ#62399259 "The nature of the universe is such that ends can never justify the means. On the contrary, the means always determine the end." (Aldous Huxley) A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A
[CTRL] Sv: [CTRL] Laurence Gardner-again
-Caveat Lector- Dear Duncan M. Roads, Editor, NEXUS Magazine, I have made comments below to correct your blatant errors on the subject of David Icke, Stewart Swerdlow and Laurence Gardner. Your text is marked DR, my response is marked OG. Best, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark - Original Message - From: nexusmagazine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 1:01 AM Subject: [CTRL] Laurence Gardner-again Dear C. I have no dislike of Lawrence Gardner, as I dont know him personally, but I know Stewart Swerdlow, and he has seen Gardner doing shapeshifting, as revealed by David Icke in "The Biggest Secret." Best, Ole Gerstrom DR: Let's get this correct Ole. Swerdlow "claims" to have "suddenly remembered" seeing Gardner shapeshift. OG: Swerdlow certainly did not "suddenly remember." He told David Icke that "He has never named names before, but has now chosen to talk." DR:He only remembered this after David Icke publicly posted a sign on his website asking for anyone with any dirt on Laurence Gardner to step forth. OG: Icke did not ask for dirt. He wrote: "If Sir Laurence Gardner has any reply to what Stewart Swerdlow is saying, please send it to this website and I will make sure that every word is printed with equal prominence." But he never got an answwer. DR: Swerdlow is NOT considered as genuine by other Montauk survivors. He is considered a 'johnny come lately' seeking to cash in on the whole affair. OG: This is a derogatory statement of a type usually found in the yellow press. Have you ever considered lowering the price of Nexus, or is it simply a money machine? DR: I've met Swerdlow, and I've met Gardner. I do not believe the claims of Swerdlow. He claims that he witnessed Gardner cutting up and eating babies, years before Gardner's passport shows he even entered the USA. I suppose Gardner popped out his wings and flew over the Atlantic so that no records would reveal his feasting? OG: Swerdlow did not claim that "he witnessed Gardner cutting up and eating babies," he stated that he witnessed human sacrifice and blood drinking rituals at the Montauk mind control centre on Long Island, New York, in which Sir Laurence Gardner played a major role. Regarding the missing stamps in Gardners passport, I would say that is no proof whatsoever. Montauk was run by the US Government/Military, and of course overseas participants would be flown in by military planes and not going through customs and immigrations. DR: Give me a break! OG: By all means. DR: Icke started the anti-Gardner crusade because he initially assumed Gardner was knighted by the British Royal Family (and we all know that they are reptiles according to Icke). Icke, as usual, failed to do the most basic checking, and got it wrong! Rather than admit wrongness, he casts around for traumatised mind control victims, upon whose dubious testimony, he smear Gardner and his work. Why does Icke not challenge Gardner on the research points, instead of going for the character smear angle? OG: Icke did not smear. Let me repeat, Icke wrote: "If Sir Laurence Gardner has any reply to what Stewart Swerdlow is saying, please send it to this website and I will make sure that every word is printed with equal prominence." DR: Gardner's research shows the continuity of a bloodline from ancient royal powerbrokers, through biblical times to the present. Gardner differs from Icke on the issue of Jesus. Icke maintains that Jesus Christ is a myth, whereas Gardner finds a geneaological path through these families to the present time. OG: Yes, but did Gardner really find this path. Did he not base his works on Masonic and similar sources? DR: After seeing how Icke does his research (notice even his key co-researchers left Icke in disgust) and seeing how Gardner does his research, my money is on Gardner's authenticity and integrity any day. OG: There was no key-researcher leaving Icke in disgust. DR: And Ole, every single mind control victim I have interviewed has told me that one should NEVER take as gospel what they remember. Cathy O'Brien was emphatic when she said to me, that the recollections of mind-control victims can not be taken as 100 per cent accurate. Swerdlow is included in that category, as is Arizona Wilder, the two witnesses for the prosecution of Laurence Gardner as incited by David Icke! OG: Dear Duncan, neither do I take as gospel what a magazine editor comes up with! --- Duncan Duncan M. Roads Editor, NEXUS Magazine PO Box 30, Mapleton Qld 4560 Australia Tel: +61 (0)7 5442 9280; Fax: +61 (0)7 5442 9381 http://www.nexusmagazine.com ICQ#62399259 "The nature of the universe is such that ends can never justify the means. On the contrary, the means
[CTRL] Shape-shifting reptilians in FEMA!?
From: Alan DeWalton [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Wednesday, 1 December 1999 15:22Subject: [TheEagle-L] Shape-shifting reptilians in FEMA!?Come-on folks, these stories are coming in from all over theplace, from all different sources... and still people think it'sall a joke!? If a bunch of FEMA "collection agents" appear atyour door when/if Martial law hits, BWEARE, they may not evenbe HUMAN! This information comes from the latest "issue" ofTHE STRANGE e-magazine.Alan---#2. The Bauers And The Lizard Man Of FEMA / From RAH 11-14-99Forwarded by: Mike Harman ([EMAIL PROTECTED])http://www.davidicke.com/A few years ago I became aquainted with a lovely person with thesurname ofBauer. We had many varied and wide ranging discussions. Duringone of thesetalks, the subject of schizophrenia came up. She said it ran inher family.Asking for more detail, she told me her mother and great aunthad beenafflicted by it. It was the vision hallucination type. The oddthing is thatthe hallucinations were incredibly similar. Their'hallucinations' were ofpeople 'of royal blood' turning into giant lizards! Having justread DavidIcke's book recently, this information didn't seem too relaventat the time.I was at FEMA training headquarters in Fredricksburg, Marylandattending aradiological defense pilot course in 1982 for the Washingtonstate Departmentof Emergency Services. During the orientation, Louis Guiffreda,one of thehead honchos and a cousin of George Bush, came in to observe.When he satdown I noticed a dark haze around him. I kept looking at him tosee if myeyes were playing tricks on me or what, but it stayed the same.I was up in the seats alone as I like to be in these things.Soon, I noticedhe was staring at me! This unnerved me. I closed my eyes andtried to relax.When I opened my eyes again, I saw him coming toward me. He satdown a fewrows behind and to the left of me. I glanced back and saw himleaning forwardwith his eyes closed. I figured he was just tired and decided totake a restwith me.While sitting there trying to relax, I heard a strange hissingand swishingsound come from behind me. I opened my eyes, but was afraid tolook around. Isaw a woman in our group looking up in our direction with a lookofastonishment and shock on her face. She kept looking upnervously in ourdirection.Eventually, Guiffreda left with his body guards(waxy faced suitswithsunglasses) and the presentation continued.After the orientation, I walked outside and found this womansobbing andshaking in the arms of another participant. I intruded and saidI wanted toknow why she was looking up with that look on her face. Shedidn't want tosay, but with repeated assurance from me she told me. She hadseen Guiffreda'turn' into a lizard! The other guy said Guiffreda had thenickname of lizardman in the circles around FEMA and he has a skin disease thatmakes his skinlook like scales.We tried to assure her that she was just stressed or something.I thoughtmaybe too many drugs or over active imagination. But she wasvery adamantabout what she saw and was visibly shaken by it. The other guyalso saidthere was scuttlebutt of an underground rail system that ranunder the FEMAfacility. Just as he said that, we felt a low rumbling beneathour feet likea subway. We noticed some suits coming in our direction andheaded off.Over the course of the next two weeks we all got to know eachother fairlywell. All these people where professionals in their fields. Ifound them allreasonable and fine examples of who I would call true friends. Ihadforgotton about this experience until I read David's book. Itwas just one ofthose odd things that didn't make sense. Now it does. I alsoposted info onthe Bauer family earlier. I was in quite a bit of shock when Ifinally madeall the connections. So, what more can I say? I don't justbelieve it's real,I 'know' it is. Unless, of course, I want to deny my ownexperience andsenses.http://www.bravenet.com/ Web Forum © by Bravenet Web Services eGroups Sponsor Armageddon or New Age? Daily Magazine.To unsubscribe send a blank email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[CTRL] DAVID'S LIFE ON THE LINE
- Original Message - From: Mike Clark To: 'Dorothy White' Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 6:59 PM Subject: RE: DavidIcke2000 RE: DAVID'S LIFE ON THE LINE DorothyYou must have not read my message. The Micro BiologicalInnoculator causes the victim to DIE OF SUPPOSED NATURALCAUSES.The BRITISH stole the ISLAND OF GIBRALTAR from the SPANISHafter the BATTLE OF THE ARMADA IN 1588. FOR 400 YEARSthe ISLAND OF GIBRALTAR WAS THE BRITISH BLACK NOBILITY'STOXICOLOGY LABORATORY. THIS IS WHERE THEY DEVELOPED ALL OF THE POISONS TO MAKEYOU LOOK LIKE YOU DIED OF NATURAL CAUSES.IT WAS A POISON DEVELOPED HERE IN THE 1700'S THAT THEBRITISH BLACK NOBILITIY FREEMASONS PUT INTO THE FOOD OF NAPOLEON BONAPARTE WHILE HE WAS ON THE ISLAND OF ST. HELENA. HE WAS FED THE POISON IN 1815 AND DIEDA FEW YEARS LATER OF ( STOMACH CANCER ) A NATURAL CAUSE OF COURSE.WHILE JACK RUBENSTEIN ( ALIAS JACK RUBY , MAFIA SOLDIER )WAS IN THE DALLAS COUNTY JAIL AWAITING TRIAL , HE WASFED POWDERED BERYLLIUM OXIDE. BERYLLIUM OXIDE CAUSESA MUCH FASTER STOMACH CANCER. NATURALLY THE FREEMASONICINTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY HAD ( NOTHING ) TO DO WITH IT.POOR OLD JACK JUST DIED OF NATURAL CAUSES. ( RIGHT ).YES THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY BLACK LODGES HAVE THEINNOCULATOR. IT HAS A RANGE OF OVER 100 YARDS. AND FIRES A SILENT AMPULE THAT THE VICTIM WONT EVEN FEEL.THEN A FEW YEARS LATER , THE VICTIM DIES OF ( NATURAL ) CAUSES.THEY HAVE 1000'S OF SUCH WEAPONS.THEIR FAVORITE WEAPON AT THIS PRESENT MOMENT IS THE MOSQUITO.THE MOSQUITO TRANSMITS THE HIV VIRUS MANUFACTURED BY LITTONBIONETICS HERE IN THE UNITED STATES. ( AT THE INSTRUCTIONOF THE BRITISH ILLUMINATI FAMILY , THE BATTENBURGS AND THESAXE-COBURG-GOTHA'S ). AFTER THE VIRUS WAS GENETICALLYENGINEERED FROM SEVERAL SEPARATE VIRUSES ( AMONGST THEM WASTHE SPECIAL FELINE LEUKEMIA VIRUS ) , THEY MADE UP 15,000GALLONS OF THIS POISON SOUP. THE EX-NAZI PROPRIETORY CORPORATION ( MERCK, SHARP AND DOHME CO.) MADE UP THEGENOCIDAL VACCINES. THIS HIV POISON SOUP , WAS FIRST INNOCULATED INTO THE W.H.O.HAITIANS NURSES , SUPPOSEDLY TO HELP THEM FIGHT OFF HEPATITIS B.THEN THE GAY COMMUNITY OF NEW YORK CITY. THIRDLY THE WILLOWBROOK SCHOOL FOR RETARDED CHILDREN ALSO IN NEW YORK.AND FOURTHLY INTO THE BLACK COMMUNITY IN THE CENTRAL AFRICANREPUBLICS OF ZAIRE , MALAWI AND NAMIBIA. THIS WAS ALL IN 1978.FOUR YEARS LATER. THE HIV DISEASE STARTED APPEARING INHAITI, THE GAY COMMUNITY OF NEW YORK , THE WILLOWBROOKSCHOOL FOR RETARDED CHILDREN, AND ALSO THE CENTRAL AFRICANREPUBLICS MENTIONED.IS DAVID ICKE'S LIFE IN DANGER. WHAT DO YOU THINK.THIS DOROTHY IS THE " GREATEST GENOCIDE " IN THE HISTORYOF THE WORLD.AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE THE " SIXTH ARYAN ROOT RACE " MAKESTHE " FIFTH ARYAN ROOT RACE - THE NAZI'S " LOOK LIKEBOY SCOUTS.MIKE FROM DALLAS-Original Message-From: Dorothy White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 6:00 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: DavidIcke2000 RE: DAVID'S LIFE ON THE LINEHi Mike, do you really think anyone/organisation would be stupid enough to take David's life.Surely this would only give credence to the contents of his books???Dot.From: Mike Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: DavidIcke2000 RE: DAVID'S LIFE ON THE LINEDate: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:59:39 -0600YES INDEED DAVID ICKE'S LIFE IS MOST CERTAINLY ON THELINE.I received in the mail the schematics for a WONDERFULLITTLE DEVICE CALLED THE MICRO BIOLOGICAL INNOCULATOR.It is essentially one of those MAGNETIC RAIL GUNS.Except in a much smaller version. It is the samesize as 45 caliber hand gun. It fires a magneticampule in a magnetic container through a magnetizedbarrel. The range of the weapon is over 100 yards.The ampule of biological toxin ( HIV , ANTHRAX , orwhatever ) is so small that the person BEING SHOTWILL ACTUALLY FEEL NOTHING. AND NEVER KNOW THATTHEY HAVE BEEN INFECTED ( ASSASSINATED ) UNTIL THEIRSYMPTOMS MANIFEST THEMSELVES.THE WEAPON OF COURSE IS COMPLETELY SILENT AS IT FIRESNO GUN POWDER PROJECTILE.ALL OF YOU " SHRINKING VIOLETS AND TURQUOISE VOMITERS"THINK ABOUT THE REAL DANGER THAT MR.ICKE IS DEFINITELYIN.WHILE ALL OF YOU HIDE BEHIND YOUR FALSE PSEUDONYMS ANDARE LURKING SILENTLY WHILE PEOPLE WITH REAL COURAGEAND VALOR ARE DOING ALL THE DIRTY WORK FOR YOUR FREEDOM.SUCH AS ALEX JONES, EUSTACE MULLINS, BO GRITZ, WILLIAMCOOPER, TOM DONAHUE, LOU STAPLES, BILL BRUMBAUGH,MAE BRUSSELL , DOROTHY KILGALLEN. AND THOUSANDS MORE.AND DEFINITELY DAVID ICKE.IF YOU DONT RECOGNIZE SOME OF THE ABOVE NAMES , IT ISBECAUSE THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN MURDERED BY THE NEW WORLDORDER.I HOPE ALL OF YOU " BRAVE LURKERS " HAVE A GOOD DAY.MIKE FROM DALLAS
[CTRL] MORE SWASTIKAS
- Original Message - From: Mike Clark To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 7:58 PM Subject: DavidIcke2000 RE: MORE SWASTIKAS TAKE A LOOK AT THE RUNWAY PATTERNS OF THE NEW ILLUMINATIDENVER INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT. IT IS A SERIES OF SWASTIKA'SWITHIN SWASTIKA'S. THE AIRPORT HAS UNDERGROUND TUNNELSCONNECTED TO OTHER ILLUMINATI BASES HUNDREDS OF MILESAWAY USING MAGNETIC BULLET TRAINS. THE TRAINS GLIDEON A LAYER OF MAGNETIC ENERGY. THEY ARE CAPABLE OF1400 MILES AN HOUR. THE UNITED STATES BASE FOR THE " COMMITTEE OF 300 " ISLOCATED AT ASPEN COLORADO NOT FAR AWAY FROM DENVER.THIS IS CONFIRMED IN DR. JOHN COLEMAN'S BOOK OF THE SAMENAME. THE COMMITTEE IS COMPOSED OF THE ORIGINAL 300CLASS A STOCKHOLDERS OF THE " BRITISH EAST INDIA COMPANY".200 HUNDRED OF THESE FAMILIES RESIDE IN BRITTANNIA. THE OTHER 100 COMPRISE THE " OLIGARCHY " THAT RULES THE UNITEDSTATES. THE VIRGINIA COMPANY OVERLAPS SOMEHOW WITHTHE COMMITTEE OF 300. I JUST DONT HAVE ALL THE FACTS ONTHAT AS YET. GIVE ME TIME.UNFORTUNATELY WE ONLY WON HALF OF OUR INDEPENDENCE FROM " PERFIDIOUS ALBION " IN 1781. WE STILL HAVE ONE MOREHALF TO GO. THAT EVENT IS COMING UP SHORTLY. YES INDEED. PERFIDIOUS ALBION IT IS TO THE MAXIMUM.SOME OF YOU ARE WONDERING WHAT " PERFIDIOUS ALBION " IS.I'LL LET YOU MEDITATE ON THAT ONE.MIKE FROM DALLASSubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED]Unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[CTRL] Sv: Re: [CTRL] Check out 180 lashes for Nigerian teen mum to go ahead:governor
-Caveat Lector- Dear Johannes, You write about Islamic law protecting the accused! Look what is reported below: The woman got 100 lashes for making unproven claims against the men. She could not prove that she had been raped, because she did not have necessary witneses. Under Islamic law the evidence from 2 women is outweighed by the testimony of one man. This is not law, this is barbarisme. Best, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark - Original Message - From: Johannes Schmidt III [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Check out 180 lashes for Nigerian teen mum to go ahead:governor -Caveat Lector- I believe under islamic law you need two witnesses (it might be three) if you are accusing someone of a crime to convict them. This is just the way Islamic law works, and you can see how it protects the accused (perhaps unfairly) from accusations where until recently there was no way of having evidence other than witnesses. On Fri, 5 Jan 2001 07:45:04 EST "Prudence L. Kuhn" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 01/04/2001 1:47:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The judge of the local Islamic court, Idris Usman Gusau, ruled that under the terms of Islamic law introduced in Zamfara last year, she had not proven her claims against the three men. He sentenced her to 80 lashes for pre-marital sex and 100 lashes for making unproven claims against the men. There is a simple way to substantiate her claim against at least one of the men. DNA will tell us which one is the father of her child. Apparently the Nigerians are so eager to beat up a woman that they haven't taken time to step into the present century. Sounds like one of those "progressive" African nations. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Laurence Gardner, The Imperial and Royal Dragon Court and Order
THE IMPERIAL AND ROYAL DRAGON COURT AND ORDER NOTICE From Sir Laurence Gardner, Chevalier de Saint Germain and Attaché to the Grand Protectorate of The Imperial and Royal Dragon Court and Order - Ordo Dragonis, Sárkány Rend, 1408 When publishing my book 'Genesis of the Grail Kings' early in 1999, I asked a certain Nicholas de Vere to write the Foreword to that work on the understanding that he was Magister Templi of the Imperial and Royal Dragon Court in Britain by virtue of a warrant issued by the ducal House of Habsburg-Tuscany. It subsequently came to my attention, however, that this was not the case and I learned that Nicholas de Vere's said warrant was in no way valid since the House of Habsburg-Tuscany was not at liberty, under any legal right or consideration, to issue such a document. On behalf of the Grand Protectorate of The Imperial and Royal Dragon Court and Order, I therefore now confirm that, despite his Internet protestations and various messages to all and sundry, Nicholas de Vere is not recognized in any capacity as being attached in any manner, formally or informally, to the Hungarian establishment of Sárkány Rend. Neither is he attached or affiliated to any of its priories in other lands. His name is not recorded in the Court's registration at the High Court of Budapest, nor in any other authentic document of the Court in Britain or any other country. In November 1999 I was required to publicly sever my association with Nicholas de Vere, while still acknowledging the help he had afforded me with certain matters of research and reimbursing him for these services. In that same month MediaQuest, who had hosted de Vere's Web site on this current page, was similarly obliged to cease all further professional association, terminating the site. At that same time, the Webmaster, Sir Adrian Wagner (Knight of the Swan by grant and ratification of the Royal House of Stewart) duly resigned from all and any de Vere affiliation. As detailed within the main body of this current site, the Imperial and Royal Dragon Court ceremony held at the Mansion House, York, on 21 March 2000 (with Chev. Dr. Gyorgy von varhegyi Lehr, Count of Oberberg, Chancellor of the Court, in attendance) established the truth of the matter once and for all in Britain. Also present, among various officers of the Court and Order, were Chev. Dr. Andrew von Zsigmond, Baron de Lemhény, of the Hungarian Consulate, Grand Prior of the Order in Britain, and HRH Prince Michael of Albany, the Order's Protector in the English speaking world. The City of York was formally represented by the Lord Mayor and Lady Mayoress, while the Sheriff of York attended to represent HM Queen Elizabeth II. Laurence GardnerJuly 2000 Sir Laurence Gardner with The Most Rev David Cuthbert Stalker, Bishop Primus of the Celtic Church in Scotland Home Found at: http://www.mediaquest.co.uk/RDCsite/Drag02.html Cross.gif Chalice.gif LGYork.jpg SwordLft.gif SwordRht.gif RDChmbut.gif
[CTRL] Iraq rejects Saddam death claims
-Caveat Lector- To refute the rumeours of Saddam Husseins bad health, we were shown pictures of a living Saddam Hussein with his cabinet in the TV-news. The question is, if this was a clone. I think Saddam Hussein is so dear an enemy to the international community, that they wont let him go. Best, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark http://www.thisislondon.com/html/news.html 03 January 2001 Iraq rejects Saddam death claims by Peter Griffiths Mystery surrounds the health of Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein this afternoon. Iraq's Ministry of Information has rejected Opposition claims that Saddam, 63, is clinging to life after suffering a massive stroke at a New Year's Day military parade. Rumours about the dictator's health have swept the Middle East since television pictures of the huge march in Bagdhad suddenly stopped. Opposition group, the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq yesterday claimed the loss of pictures was proof Saddam had fallen ill or even died. But the Iraqi government rejected the allegations. "These reports are so silly that they do not even deserve a reply," said Salam Khatab al-Nassiri, director-general of the Information Department of the Ministry of Culture and Information. "He also fired more than 140 shots one handed, something most young people are unable to do - this alone is enough as a reply to this absurd news," he added. London-based independent opposition spokesman Dr Mowaffak Al-Rubaie said that "unusual" activity had been reported on the streets of Baghdad. "Something unusual has happened but we do not know exactly what has gone on," he said. "There has been a heightened security presence on the street. There are more police and military units around." Born in 1937, Saddam played a major role in the 1968 revolution and became president of Iraq in 1979. His attack on Iran a year later led to a bloody war of attrition which lasted until 1988. Saddam ordered the invasion of Kuwait in 1991. Western states responded with Operation Desert Storm, a major campaign to liberate the Gulf state. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory
[CTRL] THE 3RD REICH THE 4TH REICH
From: "Mike Clark" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: THE 3RD REICH THE 4TH REICH David Icke is trying to prevent the assimilation of the WORLD INTO THE NEW FOURTH REICH. To say that Icke is a promoter of the FOURTH REICH IS LUDICROUS. The promoters of the FOURTH REICH can be seen in any numbers of ways. 1. THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY - ALA MADAME BLAVATSKY. DER FUEHRER ADOLF HITLER READ HER BOOK " SECRET DOCTRINE " EVERYDAY OF HIS LIFE. 2. THE MASONIC MASTER TEMPLE - EXACTLY 13 BLOCKS DUE NORTH OF THE WHITE HOUSE, WASHINGTON DC. I'VE BEEN THERE. I HAVE PHOTOGRAPHS OF SWASTIKA'S ON THE WALLS. 3. MANLY P. HALL'S " PHILOSOPHICAL RESEARCH SOCIETY " IN LOS ANGELES , CALIFORNIA. THIS IS THE ULTIMATE " ILLUMINATI AND KNIGHTS TEMPLAR TRAINING ACADEMY ". 4. GERMAN MULTI GENERATIONAL ILLUMINATI FAMILIES LIKE THE ONES WHO OCCUPY THE THRONE OF ENGLAND. THE WINDSORS - NOT WINDSORS AT ALL. BUT ILLUMINATI SAXE-COBURG-GOTHA'S. THE MOUNTBATTENS - NOT MOUNTBATTENS AT ALL. BUT ACTUALLY GERMAN ILLUMINATI " BATTENBURGS ". 5. THE OTHER DRAGON RACES. SUCH AS THE " STUARTS, HAPSBURGS, BOURBON-CAPET'S, ESTERHAZY'S AND ON AND ON AND ON. 6. THE BIG IS PROBLEM IS THAT FOURTH REICH IS ALREADY HERE. 40,000,000 BABIES MURDERED IN US ABORTION MILLS. 25,000,000 PEOPLE ALREADY MURDERED IN AFRICA AS A RESULT OF NAZI PROPRIETORY COMPANY'S MERCK, SHARP AND DOHME'S HIV INFECTED HEPTATIS B VACCINE. 7. SIEG HEIL TO THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND AND HER ILLUMINATI HUSBAND MIKE FROM DALLAS Subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] eGroups Sponsor Subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED]Unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[CTRL] ROYAL LATHER at Scotlands Black Hole of Calcutta
ROYAL LATHER at Scotlands Black Hole of Calcutta by Andrew Hennessey Wed Nov 22, 2000 The beginning of the Millenium in the UK was marked by the rugby football contest for the serpent covered calcutta cup at Murrayfield stadium, edinburgh, scotland. symbol of the Empire and the days of the Raj.England - massive, and easily the favourites were supposed to exterminate the weak scottish opposition, and Princess Anne of the House of Windsor was there to personally oversee a crushing defeat of the upstart scots.The Scots won that game with a bloody and memorable victory over the lumbering titans of england - and the red haired aryan scottish captain was asked to come up to meet HRH princess anne to receive the victors trophy.The Scottish Captain, his throat red with blood running from his mouth and nose, red haired and intoxicating aryan that he was shook the Princesses hand - and to our unbelievable surprise, the Princesses eyes went all black - with no whites, and her upper and lower jaw started to protrude as if she was wearing half coconuts - her skull grew reptoid in shape as the exciting smell of juicy red starfire alive with life essences triggered her to shift. The scottish captain then lifted the serpent covered symbol of english supremacy, held it aloft and headed straight downstairs to the waiting TV camera - where he proceeded to judder and shiver in shock, his teeth chattering as he felt weak at the knees. The short TV interview left the guy to stagger off completely drained of vitality. The English team however could not come to the podium to face the wrath of the windsors - an incredible demonstration of angst and fear. A bad start to the third millenium for the House of Windsorandrew hennessey The articles being presented and published are not necessarily the views and research of David Icke. David Icke, www.davidicke.com and/or the editors and publishers may or may not agree with the assumptions, the articles, or the conclusions of the authors. Each article is presented to give everyone every possible source to TRUTH available. Discerning TRUTH is the responsibility of each reader. Authors' names and addresses are published only at the author's request. line.jpg emagprom.jpg
[CTRL] Sv: Re: [CTRL] Dangers of the New Age movement
-Caveat Lector- Dear Duncan of Nexus, You wrote: Icke is another great example of 2 + 2 = 5. After favourably mentioning NEXUS at every lecture, we failed to review an Icke book one day, and since then we have been 'out of favour'. Worse still, Icke started claiming that Laurence Gardner and Secharia Sitchin were reptilian shape shifting alien who eats babies at satanic sacrifices. Of course, true Icke believers overlooked the fact that BOTH these popular speakers were trafficking information that CONTRADICTED Icke's favoured view of the universe at the point. Rather than debate point by point, Icke resorted to smearing the people to disqualify their info. | Let me comment: | | Your are seriously distorting facts. Icke has written, that Laurence Gardner | and Secharia Sitchin have been seen doing shape-shifting. That these two | persons also "were reptilian shape shifting aliens who eats babies at satanic | sacrifices" is a product of you own fantasy. | |"The Biggest Secret" is not just "an Icke book," it is his most important work. |After writing that book, Icke was sacked from the pages of Nexus without |any reason given. | |That was the point where I quit reading Nexus. | |Love, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark | - Original Message - From: nexusmagazine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 4:03 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Dangers of the New Age movement -Caveat Lector- Duncan has read this list and has been in archives until he begins to sound like certain people on this list. There are numerous Nexus Magazines - but Duncan, you sound like many different people. Who and what are you really Duncan - home brewed stuff in disguise - however, you do spell organization "organisatio" which is indicative of possible Australian extraction? NEXUS Magazine is proudly Australian! Australia uses British spelling for English, so most words you have using a 'z' (which we pronounce 'zed' not 'zee') have an 's'. So, yes, 'organisation' is the correct spelling for the rest of the world outside of America. As to who and what am I really? I'll spare you the full half-hour rave, but suffice to say that one day I looked around at the world (when I was 14) and decided that it needed improving. After a few years of meditating, vegetarianising, etc I decided then that the only true permanent change comes from within each person, with conscious desire. (ie you cannot force true change onto people). So since then I have dedicated my life working for groups, organisations, and charities which educated people with information on alternative health, alternative philosophies, environmental awareness etc. About 15 years ago, I became increasingly aware that global and local problems were no accident. Many are/were deliberately created and maintained. By that stage on I was on umpteen executive committees, meeting with politicians, mayors, community leaders etc. I pursued my private research into 'conspiracies', whilst working for a couple of 'alternative' media publications in Australia. Ten years ago I got the chance to obtain my own magazine, NEXUS. I ditched the new age stuff, the women's issues, the pagan/occult stuff, and most of the envionmental content. I figured there were already enough mags dedicated to those subjects on the newstands in Australia. I wanted to branch out into my favourites, ie alternative health (without the glossy health pap served up by soy mulitnationals); future science; the unexplained, and 'conspiracies'. So it is all in the game, Duncan.you called this lady a Bimbo for expressing her views? What is a Bimbo, for recently an asshole called me a Bimbo on line, which I ignored I agree that I overreacted, but at least I did more than just smear. I provided qualified info, mainly from my own 15 years involvement with a so-called 'new age movement' and I am telling you, there is no way in the world that these millions of people and their relevant groups and orgs are united on any one agenda. They ALL squabble, fight, disagree, steal staff, lists etc. Most all are total hypocrites to their declared ideals to boot. As much as I believe the 'new age industry' to be sickening, to imply that all consumers to that market sector are involved in a massive conspiracy to kill all Jews is laughable. The only people threatened by what is called the 'new age movement' are established religions! Period! Who and what are you really Duncan - but I sitll like to read your magazine and you sure as hell - well one could say you are self serving..now I see why this one woman was virtually run off this list, because she liked Ickes2 and 2 - 4; many people who preferred to reac Ickes seem to get kicked at with railing accusations? Icke is another great example of 2 + 2 = 5. After favourably mentioning NEXUS at every lecture, we failed to review an Icke book one day, and since then we
[CTRL] News updates from Stewart Swerdlow
News Updates by Stewart Swerdlow www.stewartswerdlow.com Chirac Attack French President Chirac said to an EU summit that January 1, 2003 is an important day. By then, the EU will have completed an overhaul of its institutions and rules. (In effect, it will be completely under NWO control.) Readers will remember my predictions for 2003 and how numbers are important to the Illuminati. The year 2003 will be the 13th year of European unity after the Communist downfall. There are also 13 applicant countries tot he European Union. The summit is expected to end on December 13th. Readers should expect some global event to take place on this New Year's Day. The date 01/01/01 is numerologically important to the Illuminati. The numbers all add up to "3" and the year, 2001 adds up to "3." Wonder what they'll do??! Barak Attack Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak resigned this week while his nation struggles with violence and internal discord. This sets the stage for his opponent, Ariel Sharon, to gain office as Prime Minister. Sharon started the chain of violence by visiting the Dome of the Rock Moslem Holy Site and declaring it a future site of the New Jewish Temple. This incited the Palestinians to riot and desecrate Jewish Holy sites. Ariel Sharon promotes the expulsion and even extermination of the Arab population from the "Greater Israel" territory. Readers will recall my statements of Israel and China eliminating the fundamentalist Moslems. This, now, sets the stage for this to occur. Former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, known for his corruption and antagonism toward Arabs, is another viable candidate. Watch the sequence of events in the Middle East. Watch for a terrorist act that will provoke the Israelis to retaliate heavily outside their own territory. Slaves Needed! Due to the shortage of hard manual laborers in many industries, especially agriculture, the Feds are preparing to grant legal residency to up to 1 million illegal aliens from Latin America and the Caribbean. Of course, this is part of the "Global Citizenship" policy of the NWO and the Illuminati. They will receive the same rights and benefits as legal US residents. Gee, why bother having borders in the first place?? Another Media Death Ken Kagan, VP of Research at TNN, an affiliate of MTV Network, was found dead on the Long Island Railroad tracks at the Bethpage Station. The police are investigating this mysterious death which occurred shortly after 1AM last Friday. It was one day before his 53rd birthday. Mr. Kagan died on a railroad track at a station not on his regular train line. Police theorized that he missed his stop while coming home from a Christmas party. At 1:27AM another train reported debris on the track. No train conductor reported hitting anyone or anything. What makes this intriguing to me, beyond the last mysterious death of a journalist I reported on the week before, is that while I was in Minersville Federal Prison Camp in Pennsylvania, I shared a dormitory with a 50ish layer from New York named Phil Kagan. Phil was speaking out against the government. He was ill and not given the proper treatment. the drugs given to him made him delirious and fatigued. He died suddenly while in the care of Federal medical personnel. Are these two Kagans related? Ken Kagan played a key role in developing research information for advertising. What was he working on? What did he discover? Anyone out there with information on this incident, please contact me either through the website or via my email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It Has Begun! Readers will remember my warnings a few weeks ago about power shortages due to the release of reserves, and my predictions of severe weather from the Great Lakes to the Northeast. Well, it has begun. Seattle area newspapers are warning customers about severe power outages and low fuel supplies that are depleted. Cold waves in the Northwest have strained reserves that are normally bolstered by supplies from California. However, California is in trouble due to the severe heat of the past summer, as well as the cold snap that is using up their reserves. In addition, extreme cold and heavy snows have engulfed the Midwest and is moving east. Chicago airports have been virtually shut down. Buffalo New York experienced its third worst snowstorm in November. The season has just begun and I expect it to be a humdinger! Better finish knitting those comforters and saving candles! Further Strange Creature Reports There is a creature popping up along the Monogahla and Guyandotte Rivers in West Virginia. It is call Ogua or Agou by the local Indians. It is supposed to weigh 500lbs and be over 20 feet in length, reptilian-like, staying in underwater caves or under bridges by day, and venturing on land at dark where it captures deer with its long tail and drags them under water to drown, then eats it. These creatures were well known by the Indians in
[CTRL] For the record/Nexus magazine
-Caveat Lector- Dear Editor of Nexus, I appreciate the works of David Icke very much, but I have never attacked Nexus. I just stopped reading it after you sacked David Icke. You must be in the realm of fantasy, when you claim that "the David Icke followers, believe NEXUS is run by shape-shifting reptillian aliens from another dimension." Because the fact is only, that one of your writers, Lawrence Gardener, has been observed doing shape-shifting. That is a fact I never saw you comment in Nexus before I quit reading it. But I never saw anybody claim, that the editor, mr. Duncan M. Roads, has been doing shape-shifting. Love, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark - Original Message - From: nexusmagazine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 8:28 AM Subject: [CTRL] For the record -Caveat Lector- Ironically, the people who attack NEXUS fall into three categories: 1) Fundamentalist Christians. Despite having thousands of gentle christian readers from around the world, there are always extremists who like to practice hatred and bigotry. These people are convinced that NEXUS is controlled by Satan, and/or is part of a plot to kill all jews. (Go figure). Some such extremists lurk on this list. I doubt that they are really who they say they are. 2) Fundamental New Agers. Despite having thousands of 'new age' type readers (defined by health aware, spiritually active, environmentally concerned, pro-peace people not belonging to an established mainstream religion); there are the radical types, like the David Icke followers, who believe NEXUS is run by shape-shifting reptillian aliens from another dimension. Other extremist new agers bemoan NEXUS for being too 'negative'. 3) Sceptics. These are the types that persecuted Galileo and Wright Brothers. These are the 'protectors' of correct thought. These are the true nazis of the mind - ie you are not allowed to think or consider new ideas, the unexplained or deviate in any way from the theory of evolution et al. Well funded, well organised, but lacking in intelligence, honesty and discernment. All three are keen to stop NEXUS being read by others. All three are keen to put the boot in and tell whopping lies about NEXUS. All three types are true fascists in terms of self-righteousness, intolerance of others' freedom of thought and expression, and in terms of spreading hatred. NEXUS exposes information that is unpopular with all the above groups. Period. Duncan Duncan M. Roads Editor, NEXUS Magazine PO Box 30, Mapleton Qld 4560 Australia Tel: +61 (0)7 5442 9280; Fax: +61 (0)7 5442 9381 http://www.nexusmagazine.com ICQ#62399259 "The nature of the universe is such that ends can never justify the means. On the contrary, the means always determine the end." (Aldous Huxley) A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at:
[CTRL] ALEX JONES AND EYES WIDE SHUT
- Original Message - From: Mike Clark To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 12:04 AM Subject: [robots-rebellion] RE: ALEX JONES AND " EYES WIDE SHUT" Alex Jones reported on his nightly show about two weeks ago that hehad just watched the Tom Cruise - Nicole Kidman film " EYES WIDE SHUT ".Alex stated that it had left him in a disturbed mind state. Hisrecommendationwas that others not watch it.Remember HE IS THE ONE who used the SECRET PASSWORD to gainentry into BOHEMIAN GROVE 50 miles north of SAN FRANCISCO.His video is now for sale in INFOWARS.COM.What I found interesting about "EYES WIDE SHUT " is the location of theCASTLE OUT IN THE WOODS. For those who have seen the movie , remember TOM CRUISE got the SECRET PASSWORD and then took a taxicab to the sitein the woods. OBVIOUSLY QUITE A DISTANCE FROM NEW YORK CITY.BECAUSE THERE WAS NOTHING AROUND BUT TREES. I THINK THEREARE A COUPLE OF TREES IN CENTRAL PARK , BUT THATS ABOUT IT.PLEASE NOTE THAT RETIRING SENATOR DANIEL PATRICK MOYNIHANWHO IS BEING REPLACED BY HILLARY ROD-DAMN KLINTON LIVESABOUT 85 MILES NORTHWEST OF NEW YORK CITY ALSO. MOYNIHANLIVES IN A ONE MAIL BOX COMMUNITY KNOWN AS " PINDAR'S CORNER ".THE ONE AND ONLY MAILBOX IN PINDAR'S CORNER, IS MOYNIHANS.PLEASE BE ADVISED THAT MOST ALL OF THESE FEMALE MIND CONTROLSLAVES IE: ARIZONA WILDER, CISCO WHEELER, CATHY OBRIEN, BRYCE TAYLORCLAIM THAT THE NUMBER ONE ILLUMINATI FIGURE IN THE WORLD IS A GUY NAMED " PINDAR ". HU. I WONDER IF MOYNIHAN MIGHTBE ACQUAINTED WITH THIS SHADOWY DUDE. I WONDER IF MOYNIHANMIGHT EVEN BE THIS SHADOWY DUDE.FOR YOU GEOGRAPHY FREAKS. PINDAR'S CORNER IS APPROX. 90 MILESNORTH - NORTHWEST FROM NEW JACK CITY. IT IS BETWEEN THE TOWNSOF ONEONTA AND COOPERSTOWN NEW YORK. SUPPOSEDLY THERE IS A SMALL COLLEGE IN COOPERSTOWN. THE MASCOTOF ITS COLLEGE FOOTBALL TEAM IS CALLED " THE RED DRAGONS ". PROBABLYJUST A COINCIDENCE , DONT YOU THINK.OH YES. STANLEY KUBRICK THE DIRECTOR OF " EYES WIDE SHUT "DIED OF A " HEART ATTACK " JUST 3 WEEKS BEFORE THE FILM OPENED.AND GET THIS. KUBRICK ALSO EDITED AN X-RATED VERSION OF THE FILM THAT WILL ONLY BE SHOWN TO OVERSEAS AUDIENCES.PROBABLY ALL OF THIS IS JUST IDLE SYNCHRONICITIES. PROBABLYJUST NEED TO GET MY MEDICATIONS CHANGED.MIKE FROM DALLAS eGroups Sponsor To Post a message, send it to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[CTRL] DEFENDING AMERICA NEWSLETTER/Should Europe become more independent of US defense policy
-Caveat Lector- USA is also running Danish defense/military policy. The danes (and the rest of Europe) are being dragged into the New World Order by the US, and that is a sad story. We are being set up to assist in international operations, which certainly is not in the danish national interest. Could you please tell your president, or whoever runs the show, to stop this. Sincerely, Ole Gerstrom, Copenhagen, Denmark - Original Message - From: Jayson R. Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] "DEFENDING AMERICA NEWSLETTER" 29 November 2000 Part 1 -Caveat Lector- On Wed, 29 Nov 2000 19:02:12 EST Bill Richer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- I am interested in the following feedbacks for next week: * Should Europe become more independent of US defense policy? How should we adjust? Europe, and the rest of the world too, should definately NOT look to the U.S. for leadership in defense issues, social issues, nor any other issues. It is time for the U.S. to mind it's own business, stop meddling in the affairs of others, and tend to it's own problems. These problems have been glossed over for far too long by the "Greater Urgency" of foreign affairs. We are exporting our schizoid policies by forcing them on everyone else in order to make ourselves look better. Let's take a "time out" and get our own house in order. Let's let the rest of the world figure things out for themselves, in their own way. One size does not fit all. * Do you agree with the Army going LIGHT? Yes. We are currently light years ahead of everyone else in hitech military gadgets, and new technologies are making our BILLIONS of investment in "wonderous gadgets" worthless even before they are fielded. No one is going to "nuke" the U.S. as we are rapidly making ourselves irrelevant. Do you foresee duplication problems with the Marines or do you suspect the Army wants to make peacekeeping its primary "business"? Their missions are different. * Do you think another Kosovo flare-up is inevitable? Yes. Untill we understand that our demarcation of Europe based on geopolitical lines is and always was destined to fail, and that the people will, in the end, sort themselves out along ethnic lines, there will be continual conflicts in that area. Whoever wins this election, and it looks like it will be GW, won't make much of a splash for the future because of the ideological residue. Politicians will continue to play party-line follies versus working for the common good. I do not think that GW will prevail in the end. Tho I did not vote for either of these two bozo's I am now ernestly hoping that Gore wins the "Contest" for a number of reasons. First, if Gore succeeds it will bring out the rotten underbelly of the republican party in full revolt. That way we can identify and deal with them as the lunatic fringe that they are. I agree with much that the republicans stand for, but am totally turned off my the religious zealots who insist on making every issue a moral issue. Let's flush them out then flush them down the drain. Real change won't come until the next election, hopefully through a strong third party that embodies our American ideals, opposed to the influence by special interests. YES!!! Our Native American ancestors always cautioned that men who desire power are generally not good men, and good men generally don't desire power. Not desiring power is the trait of a good leader, for he will step down when he has accomplished his mission. So true. It shouldn't be impossible to find good leaders for America. After all, this country motivated idealists like Jefferson, Washington, Lafayette, Steuben, Lincoln and others. There isn't a good reason to become like Rome, even when the new president offers us 180 days of games. Unfortunately those in power are not willing to give it up without a fight, and many in this country are so fat, dumb and happy right now that they are not willing to make the sacrifices necessary for real change. (c) R.W. Zimmermann, LandserUSA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jayson R. Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
[CTRL] THE KRUPPS THE ILLUMINATI - F.Springmeier 1/2
THE KRUPPS THE ILLUMINATI - F.Springmeier 1/2 THE KRUPPS THE ILLUMINATIhttp://user.tninet.se/~gbl020q/krupp_family.htmhttp://user.tninet.se/~gbl020q/fritz_index.htmOne of the big lessons from history is that mankind doesnt learn fromhistory. The history of the Krupp family which is in the llluminatj wouldprovide the world with a loud and clear warning for today. The first lessonthat could be learned is how a military buildup and military intentions canbe totally concealed for decades. Today, the New World Order has brought inhundreds of thousands of foreign troops into the United States, they havebrought in thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of guillotines forexecutions, they have built a network of unused concentration camps acrossthe U.S., they have built crematoriums next to these concentration camps,and yet most Americans appear to believe the lies of President Clinton andothers just like they believed the lies of Krupp, and the German ChancellorsBEFORE Hitler, and the German military leaders who were all well aware ofthe secret German buildup that began immediately after W.W. I ended! We areabout to go into a New World Order that will be worse than Hitlers NewWorld Order, but the power behind the scenes is the same -- the Illuminatigetting their power from their centuries-old generational satanic practices.One ex-Illuminati thinks that the Krupp family became part of the Illuminatiin 1836. The Halbach and Bohlen families had united in marriage prior to theCivil War. The Halbach family had large holdings of coal around Scranton,PA. I believe the Halbach family was part of the Illuminati, and the Halbachfamily married into the Krupps in 1906. ft appears that 1836 date can not befar off, because the record shows that the Krupp family began getting allkinds of favors from governments beginning late in the 1830s. Prior to thistime period, too many things went the wrong way for the Krupp family forthem to had any prominent role in the Illuminati leadership. In the summerof 1838, Alfred Krupp, head of the Krupp Factories left his business andwent to Paris and then on to Liverpool. He quit travelling the Midlands ofEngland that winter and lived in Liverpool, England for 5 months with anenglish family named Lightbody. By the summer of 1839, he was back in Essen,Germany. After that trip to England, the Krupp fortunes began to turn. TheAlchemists were occultists who worked with chemicals and metals. Thealchemists tie in with the Rosicrucians and the early renaissanceresearchers into chemistry.The Krupps because they were involved in metalurgy also have been involvedwith chemicals. The first Krupp known about was Arndt Krupp who appeared outof no where (it is speculated he came from Holland) and arrived at Essen in1587 a man of means and became a merchant in the area. His son Anton becameone of the military arms dealers of the times. Antons father-in-law ran agunsmith trade where he made guns. By about 1650, the Krupps were EssenGermanys uncrowned kings" (according to the german book Die KRUPPS writtenby Norbert Muehlen. Frankfurt am Main: 1960, p. 13). They controlled thecity government. In 1800, the Krupps went into steel and coal, and producingcannon. During the age of discovery when the New World was being exploredthe powerful occult oligarchies of Europe set up trading companies to carveup control of the world. The East India Company was one of the more notableof these elite controlled trading companies. These trading companies tie inwith the occult worlds leadership and the formation of drug cartels duringthe age of discovery. The 13 Illuminati families were participants in thenarcotics cartel that was set up clear back before the United States becamea nation. The roots of the cartels, go back to Knights Templars, the Knightsof Malta and some of the Italian oligarchies who had been involved innarcotics trade for centuries.That drug cartel has continued down through the centuries. I.G. Farben hasbeen a 20th century part of the German element of the cartel. Clear backduring colonial days, each of the various secret ruling occult families fromEngland, Germany, France and the Netherlands were given a piece of thenarcotics/chemical trade. The full story of the Krupp family would includehow they tie in with I.G. Farben and the worldwide chemical monopoly thatthe Illuminati families have. It is clear that Gustav Krupp was informed ofI.G. Farbens secret research into synthetic nitrates prior to W.W.I,because Gustav told the great German chemist Emil Fischer not to worry aboutthe guncotton problem caused by low nitrate supplies. The Krupps faced abigger problem during W.W.II in getting enough high grade animal fat forholding the cotton in place for explosives. This was solved by using the fatof people killed in the concentration camps. Since the Illuminatis Chemicalcartel and I.G. Farben and Krupp were involved in the use of human
[CTRL] THE KRUPPS THE ILLUMINATI - F.Springmeier 2/2
THE KRUPPS THE ILLUMINATI - F.Springmeier 2/2 http://user.tninet.se/~gbl020q/krupp_family.htmhttp://user.tninet.se/~gbl020q/fritz_index.htmToday, the intrigue of the Illuminati to secretly prepare for their takeoveris monumental in proportions. However, it is following many of the tried andtested tactics of the Krupps. Before W.W.I, the Krupps created a Dutchcompany in Hague with the English name Blessing and Company. Blessing Co.was used only every now and then by the Krupps. After W.W.I, it was soldwith all its assets to the Hollandsche Industrie en Handel Maatschappij(another Dutch front), and then its name was changed to Siderius A.G. It wasthen used as a holding company for 3 Dutch shipyards, their names being PietSmit in Rotterdam, Maschinen en Apparaten Fabrik in Utrecht, andIngenieur-Kantoor voor Scheepsbouw in the Hague. At that time two Kruppdirectors quietly held all the shares in Siderius. In this way, a frontcompany was created that no one even suspected of being a Krupp company.Later, select Dutchmen were sold the shares of the company that the Kruppdirectors had had. This completed the subterfuge. By the time alliedintelligence in 1926 caught on and asked the Dutch government to intervene,Queen Wilhelmina of Holland curtly informed allied intelligence that hergovt. would in no way interfere with a private dutch corporation. When onestudies the machinations George Bush and Bill Hillary Clinton, they toohave worked with front companies. The CIA is great at creating frontcompanies which are sold to other fronts, and whose control eventually getshidden and obscured. Three examples of Illuminati families with a great dealof power but who have their extensive financial holdings obscured are thePayseurs, the Springs, and the Van Duyns. The national media of America havecontinually run expert damage control for George Bush and Bill HillaryClinton. The Whitewater scandal, Vincent Foster and the Waco incident shouldhave sunk the Chintons but the media has run excellent propaganda campaignsthat have stood the truth on its head. Under the appearance of doingunbiased investigations, the New World Orders media has really donesophisticated damage control. If we look at the history of the Krupps, wecan see that mankind hasnt learned from history. The Kingpins of theIlluminati were above the law and still are. Friedrich Alfred Krupp(1854-1902) was the head of the Fried. Krupp Industrial Empire. He waspediophile who liked little boys for sex. When he travelled to various largecities he would obtain boys. Conrad UhI, proprietor of the Hotel Bristol inBerlin found out about Friedrich (Fritz) Krupps lust for boys when he wasforced by Krupp to supply him with young boys at the Hotel. Conrad UhI, didnt like being forced into his role as pimp and went to the Berlin police.who promptly told him to keep quiet. Krupp was above the law, no one wouldtouch Krupp especially not even the King of Germany Wilhelm, who was best offriends with the Krupps. The police commissioner Meerscheidt-Huellessem whoran damage control for the Krupps and others died before political opponentsof Krupp could get police records out to the public.In Capri, Italy a grotto was transformed into Krupps private sex club wherea countless numbers of young italian boys regularly sexually serviced Krupp.This was at the Quisisana Hotel. The owner was also a prominent politicianwho could protect Krupps activities. Solid gold pins shaped like artilleryshells or two crossed forks (both designed by Krupp) were given to the youngboys if they performed well. Krupp would have skyrockets shot off when hehad his orgasm, and porn photos taken of his activities. The porn picturesgot out into the public domain and this and all the witnesses to Kruppscriminal sexual activities, caused the Italian government to order Krupp toleave Italy. Any common person would have been arrested and the key to theircell thrown away--but Krupp was simply asked to leave. However, the press inItaly had gotten ahold of the juicy story for their italian readers and soonall of Europe knew of Kru pps paedophilia except in Germany where thegovernment and the controlled media kept it secret. A few german newsmentried to get the story out in Germany but were arrested. When Krupps wifelearned of the scandal she was upset and went to authorities who thenthrough the System using physical force threw Krupps wife in a mentalhospital in Jena. However, throwing Krupps wife Margaretha into a mentalhospital wasnt going to put a cap on the scandal, and suing the newsmenwasnt going to work, and trying to run a coverup as big and violent as theJFK assassination coverup was started but it was obvious that it would haveto be such a large and violent coverup that it would be difficult to pulloff. In the view of all these difficulties, on November 21 or 22, 1902Friedrich (Fritz) Krupp committed suicide. The suicide was covered up,
[CTRL] Vs: DavidIcke2000 Articles by Fritz Springmeier
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[CTRL] Sv Re: [CTRL] EU Building Army
Dear Bob, Yes, We have no need for NATO except if it was for defense against aliens. But then it must be admitted, that aliens probably run NATO, and thus we had better close the alliance. But that will no be an easy job. I see NATO as the strong arm of The New World Order, and those guys seem determined to do business. Love, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark - Original Message - From: Bob Stokes To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 4:09 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] EU Building Army I say it's about time. Maybe NATO should be dissolved, while I was in NATO we called it "Not Able To Operate." It is high time the Europeans took over their own security. The US shouldn't be involved in their affairs, nor should they be involved in ours. It's about time that all armed forces should be converted to defensive status only. Regards, Bob Stokes
[CTRL] SLAVE AUCTIONS OF CHILDREN IN AMERICA
The information about the SLAVE AUCTIONS OF CHILDRENcame from former FBI SAIC (SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE)of the Los Angeles office of the FBI. His name isTed Gundersen. He has a website but I dont know theaddress.This information was on radio station WGTG shortwavefrequency 12.172 megahertz yesterday afternoon. Theinterview with Ted Gundersen was on the David Bresnahantalk show which you can go to by this : www.investigativejournal.comTed Gundersen says this. That there are 2 SLAVE AUCTIONSITES in North America. One in Toronto, Canada. The otherreally big one is 90 miles from Las Vegas. He didnt saywhich direction. The Las Vegas SLAVE AUCTION has its ownairfield capable of landing JET AIRCRAFT. Many of the purchasers of American CHILDREN are very rich foreigners.For a very attractive american child with blond hair and blueeyes, the American Illuminati gets $50,000.Some of these children are taken into child prostitution inforeign countries. THESE ARE THE LUCKY ONES TED SAYS.THE UNLUCKY ONES are used for spare body parts and SATANICRITUALS. TED says he has taken this information more than a hundred timesto the FBI but has been stonewalled every time.Ted Gundersen also says that the only police department in thewhole USA with a SATANIC ABUSE unit is the Indianapolis PoliceDept.Keep in mind that Ted Gundersen is a 30 year employee of the FBI AND DIRECTOR OF THE LOS ANGELES OFFICE UNTIL 1993. Ted went on to say that there is a SPECIAL GROUP located inWashington DC called the "FINDERS". These are usually childrenthemselves working in concert with adults. They actuallygo out looking for children with cameras. They take as manyas 10 pictures of children they see on school playgroundsand such. Then the photographs are taken to the POTENTIALBUYERS , who actually pick the CHILD OUT FROM THE PHOTOGRAPHS.When the CHILD has been chosen, the children used in these groupslure the PROSPECTIVE CHILD TO BE KIDNAPPED to an area wherethey are bound and gagged by the adult FINDER members.The KIDNAPPED CHILDREN are then taken to one of these 2sites either TORONTO or the SLAVE AUCTION SITE AT LAS VEGAS.There the money transfers are made and the children are taken to where they will never be heard from again.There was a lady with Ted yesterday on the talk show whohas had her son (a 12 year old paperboy) kidnapped in 1992.She is coming out with a book shortly called "WHY JOHHNYCANT COME HOME"Her e-mail address is [EMAIL PROTECTED]If you have any information please e-mail her. IF YOU DONTPLEASE BE CONSIDERATE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.I DONT KNOW HOW LONG I CAN CONTINUE TO GIVE YOU THIS INFORMATION.I AM GETTING STRANGE PHONE CALLS AND SO IS MY MOTHER WHO LIVESWAY OUT IN THE COUNTRY.WE ARE IN SERIOUS TROUBLE FOLKS.MIKE FROM DALLAS-Original Message-From: CV [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 2:11 PMTo: Mike ClarkSubject: RE: DavidIcke2000 Re: SLAVE AUCTIONS OF CHILDREN IN THE USAHi Mike - I hear you. Hmmm - I think I deleted your fullpost on the 2 organizations that are abducting and selling children, and the other info. in that post.Wouldlike to share it with certain others. Would you mind either reposting it or just sendingit again to me. Thanks cv--- Mike Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chitty Chitty Bang Bang Well not actually. She said that the Queen MADE all the children watch it. This was when she was a child. Keep in mind who wrote the screenplay. IT WAS OLD MI-6 007 HIMSELF, SIR IAN FLEMING. THERE IS SO MUCH IMBEDDED IN THAT MOVIE THAT IT LITERALLY BLEW ME AWAY. MIKE FROM DALLAS Re --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mike Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You people in this e-group keep telling me that I am full of shit. Let me suggest that you go rent the movie "CHITTY CHITTY BANG BANG" and watch it again.Those of you who already think that you know EVERYTHING are living a fairy tale existence.Mike from Dallas __Do You Yahoo!?Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!http://mail.yahoo.com/Subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED]Unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[CTRL] INSIDE THE MIND OF AN ENEMY OF FREEDOM
Welcome to Volume 18 - November 2000 INSIDE THE MIND OF AN ENEMY OF FREEDOM fromDavid Icke If the following words had been spoken by someone in a Nazi uniform in the middle of the last century no one would have been in the least surprised. But they come from Richard Warman of the Green Party of Ontario, one of the global centres for the Illuminati. This is the man who has dedicated himself to preventing David Icke speaking anywhere in the world and uses the Green Party's name to do so. Quoted in the UK "Independent" on Sunday newspaper, Warman said of David: "His writings may be the work of a madman, or of a genuine racist. Either way they are very dangerous. If he's unstable then so are his followers, who hang on his every word. What benefit can there be in allowing him to speak?" If someone in Warman's misguided and uniformed opinion is unstable, then so, by definition, must be everyone who listens to him. Now that is truly terrifying and truly, truly, dangerous. Think of the implications of that statement. The Soviet Union psychiatric hospitals were filled with perfectly sane dissidents of that fascist/communist system because the very same attitudes expressed there by Mr. Warman were used to justify their imprisonment. And even more sinister: "What benefit can there be in allowing him to speak?" The arrogance of that question beggars belief. No fascist in Nazi Germany, no Communist in China or the Soviet Union, could ever have said it better. Green Party members of the world, this man claims to speak for you. How long are you going to sit there in silence and let this campaign of vilification be promoted in your name? By your silence, you are responsible for everything he says and does. How many more venue owners are going to ban David Icke events after being contacted by such a fundamental enemy of freedom?We live in a free world? Sure we do. Maybe we should ask Ralph Nader for a reaction to it? Let's get this e-mailed to every Green Party contact address we can. I've already begun.Click here for Warman's contact addresses and the rest of the Green Party list. HOW LONG WILL GLOBAL GREENS ALLOW THEIR NAME TO BE ASSOCIATEDWITH SUCH FASCISM? This month's David Icke E~Magazine Sponsors ~Go to the Table of Contents~ The articles being presented and published are not necessarily the views and research of David Icke. David Icke, www.davidicke.com and/or the editors and publishers may or may not agree with the assumptions, the articles, or the conclusions of the authors. Each article is presented to give everyone every possible source to TRUTH available. Discerning TRUTH is the responsibility of each reader. Authors' names and addresses are published only at the author's request. header.gif sban.cgi?vol18index+x=IMG line.jpg warman.jpg tailswish.gif arrorite.jpg arroleft.jpg
[CTRL] THE WINDSOR-BUSH BLOODLINE
THE WINDSOR-BUSH BLOODLINE by David Icke Or why George W. Bush is the favourite to be President of the United States in the year 2000! I have recently been sent a series of genealogical charts which detail a bloodline and its off shoots that will be highly relevantto the readers of The Biggest Secret. I had no idea of their existence when I wrote The Biggest Secret. Yet it reads like an index of the book and most, if not all,of the major players in the advancing agenda of global control over thousands of years. These charts are stunning confirmationthat the same bloodlines have expanded their power out of the Near and Middle East of the ancient world to control theplanet today, precisely as detailed in The Biggest Secret. For readers of The Biggest Secret the following will proveextremely interesting: This bloodline and its offshoots includes a long line of pharaohs in ancient Egypt, including Rameses II (1295-1228 BC), whois considered to be the greatest pharaoh of all. He was his country's master architect (sacred geometry) and his name can befound on almost every ancient shrine. The gold mines of Nubia made him rich beyond the imagination. This bloodline alsoincludes the extraterrestrial-human hybrids who ruled Sumer, Babylon, Greece, and Troy, and which, today, rule the world. One common link in this bloodline is Philip of Macedonia (382-336BC),who married Olympias, and their son was Alexanderthe Great (356-323BC), a tyrant who plundered that key region of Greece, Persia, Syria, Phoenicia, Egypt, Babylon, theformer lands of Sumer, and across into India before dying in Babylon at the age of 33. During his rule of Egypt he founded thecity of Alexandria, one the greatest centers for esoteric knowledge in the ancient world. Alexander was taught by the Greekphilosopher, Aristotle, who in turn was taught by Plato and he by Socrates. The bloodline and the hidden advancedknowledge have always gone together. This key bloodline comes down through the most famous Egyptian queen, Cleopatra (60-30BC), who married the mostfamous Roman Emperor, Julius Caesar, and bore him a son, who became Ptolemy XIV. She also bore twins with MarkAnthony, who has his own connections to this line and its many offshoots; this bloodline also connects to Herod the Great, the"Herod" of the Jesus stories, and continues to the Roman Piso family who, as I explain in The Biggest Secret, wrote theGospel stories and invented the mythical figure called Jesus!!; the same bloodline includes Constantine the Great, the RomanEmperor who, in 325AD, turned Christianity, based on his ancestors' stories, into the religion we know today, and KingFerdinand of Spain and Queen Isabella of Castile, the sponsors of Christopher Columbus, who instigated the horrific SpanishInquisition (1478-1834) in which people were tortured and burned at the stake for in any way questioning the basis of thereligion their various ancestors had created. More than that, the most used version of the Bible was commissioned and sponsored by another strand in the same bloodline,King James 1st of England. Just a coincidence, nothing to worry about! The line of James, according to genealogy sourceslisted below, can be traced back to 1550 BC and beyond and includes many Egyptian pharaohs, including Rameses II. The bloodline moved into France and northern Europe through the Franks and Meroveus or Merovee, who gave his name tothe Merovingian bloodline, and it continues with the rest of the Merovingian clan like Clovis and the Dagoberts who connectinto the elite secret society, the Priory of Sion and the Rennes-le-Chateau "mystery" in Languedoc [Provence], SouthernFrance. Many books have been written recently which claim that the Merovingians are the bloodline of "Jesus". Some of these authors have just been mistaken, others have blatantly sought to confuse and mislead. The Merovingians are akey bloodline, yes, but it has nothing to do with Jesus, who was invented by an earlier family in the same line, the Pisos.Authors like Sir Laurence Gardner (Bloodline of the Holy Grail and a favorite of Nexus Magazine and its owner, DuncanRoads) MUST know this and yet they still connect the Merovingians to "Jesus". Why?? The Merovingians were Goddess Diana worshippers, as are so many in this line to the present day. They founded the city wecall Paris and on one of their former sites of Diana ritual, Princess Diana was murdered in the Pont d'Alma tunnel (meaning"bridge or passage of the Moon Goddess") on August 31st, 1997. As The Biggest Secret points out, the Windsors, anotherMerovingian bloodline, were very much involved in this ritual murder. From the Merovingians, this bloodline's connections to the present day include: Charlemagne (742-814), who ruled asEmperor of the West in the Holy Roman Empire; a stream of French kings, including Robert II, Philip Ist, II and III, andLouis Ist, II, VI, VII, VIII, V, XIII, IX,
[CTRL] Mind Control Programming Places
Page 297 ...http://mercury.spaceports.com/~persewen/appendix_2-2.htm--APPENDIX B.THE PROGRAMMING SITES--Deeper Insights into the Illuminati FormulabyFritz Springmeier Cisco Wheelerhttp://mercury.spaceports.com/~persewen/insights_table1.htmSome more MAJOR MIND-CONTROL PROGRAMMING SITES with explanations oftheirprogramming. This list is added as a supplement to those sitesexposed inthe Vol. 2 book. Slaves have to come in to the "SHOP" periodically tohavecertain maintenance programs renewed to maintain the power of theprogramming. Most slaves that are being used in operations come in ataminimum every 2-3 years. Most people who have been programmed aresleepers.And many people who have horrible programs to carry out areprogrammed forthe next few years. All kinds of sites are used, for instance, Boyand GirlScout camps, a big church in Greensboro, NC, a desert site nearTucson, AZ,and hotels in New Orleans. Many people who have been "recruited"(beguiledand trapped) into the mind-control are seen being sent to ColoradoSprings,CO. A network of daycare centers has been established worldwide by theIlluminati's Network for the programming and recruiting ofchildren. Aseries of Youth Hostels has also been created (originally by thecommunists)for Network goals, and have been widely used by the communist factionof theWorld Order. The elite have their own schools, such as Eaton Schoolin theUK which receives some Illuminati children under mind-control. WatchtheOffice of Global Analysis, which is an intelligence group for globalanalysis for the NWO. Also watch out for the National Program Office(NPO)which is reported to have been created in 1982 to oversee "black"programsof the intelligence agencies. The National Reconnaissance Office(NRO) isanother black ops group. This group is in part housed within thePentagonand deals with assassination teams. It uses lots of illegal fundswhich itlaunders through another Pentagon agency called the DSAA (DefenseSecurityAssistance Agency). Gen. Howard Fish, Mr. Eric Von Marbod, Gen. PhilGastwere the men in DSAA that laundered the NRO's money. I. IrvingDavidson, whohas one foot in the mafia one in the military black ops is a go-between.One of the assassination programs they ran years ago was the ZetaDiogenes(ZD) project. Different agencies that participated had differentcodes forthe programs. The men used in these NRO programs are mind-controlledslavesin some cases, it is not known what % if any are not under mind-control.They are organized as cells and are operating in various military,nationalguard, and secret reserve units. Present-day Russia's GuardsDirectorate hastwo "counter-terrorist" divisions Alfa and Vympel. These wereformerly partof the KGB, and employ mind-controlled victims in their work. OP-06-Dis theunit assigned to perform penetration tests to determine security atthesedifferent military/intelligence bases used for programming.Air Force Units to watch:· Aerospace Defense Intelligence Center ADIC· Air Force Intelligence Support Agency AFISA (recent name) of theAir Force's all sources intelligence organization.· Kelly AFB has the 693rd Intelligence Wing located there.· ERT (Air Force Swat Teams)Army Units to watch:· Pentagon· Military Intelligence which calls itself INSCOM. INSCOM unitsareall overthe world incl. Area 51, White Sands, Ft. Meade, and their Vint HillsFarmStation at Warrenton, VA nearthe old Manassas battlefield sites. Their Ft. Huachucha in AZappropriatelysports a Sphinx statue.Page 298 ...So many intelligence people came from the Illuminati initiatingcenters ofHarvard, Yale, Princeton that the acronym HYP was applied to someof themby others in an allusion to the word "hype." For the first half of MI-6'shistory, only women from the elite, the aristocracy were recruited toworkin MI-6, for this reason the women at MI-6 were called Queenie. AsIlluminati members of the hierarchy, they were indeed given variousQueenpositions. The crossovers occur both ways. One finds intelligencepeople inplaces like Yale and the big Illuminati corporations. For instance, amilitary psychologist Alexander R. Askenasy, who worked in the area ofmind-control for the Army, later taught at Princeton, and then wenton to aprominent position at the NY State Psychiatric Institute the Dept.ofPsychiatry, Columbia Univ. Another example is Robert Finley Delaney,whoworked with the Navy in PSYOPS, the State Dept. and also worked forESSOStandard Oil company. One final example in a list of examples thatseems togo on forever, the Professor of Psychology at Yale was Irving L.Janis, amilitary man who worked in military psychological research andPYSOPS, andwho co-authored Communications and Persuasion, Personality andPersuasibility.DICTIONARY OF PROGRAMMING CENTERS (cont. from Vol. 2)ARCO
[CTRL] BRITAIN IS A FASCIST STATE.
IT'S OFFICIAL: BRITAIN IS A FASCIST STATE.by David Icke My talk at the Burlington Hotel, Birmingham, this Sunday has been cancelled after the management refused to allow me to speak there.All it took was one phone call from the group in eastern Canada led by "Green Party" frontman, Richard Warman. They leave it as late as possible, so another venue cannot be found.The Burlingham Hotel management even rang the management of a recent venue, the City Varieties Theatre in Leeds, who told them that there was a packed house in Leeds, an excellent event, and no problem whatsoever. Despite this, they still pulled the meeting.Needless to say the idea that we live in a free world is utterly, utterly, ludicrous while enemies of freedom like Richard Warman (right) go on protecting the people from public exposure who are sacrificing, torturing, and abusing our children, and enemies of freedom like the Burlington Hotel go on pulling events with no thought of the consequences for others. I hope you are proud of yourself, Mr. Warman, but know this: The day is fast approaching when the evidence will be overwhelming and undeniable by anyone that what I am exposing is true. When that day comes, as it will, you will then have to explain to everyone why you have dedicated your life to preventing such exposure from being made public and therefore ensuring that yet more children go on being sacrificed, tortured, and abused day after day after day.There are many people in this world, Mr. Warman, that I wouldn't want to be. But I think you, at this moment, are very close to the top of the list because you are just the small fry, the very small fry, who will be hung out to dry when its suits those who are pulling your strings. I hope you have your excuses well prepared because you are going to need them.For the moment, all those who have bought tickets and had your right to hear what you choose to hear denied again by Mr. Warman and those in the shadows behind him, and by the management of the Burlington Hotel, you should know the following:The Burlington Hotel Conference and Banqueting manager has just faxed me to say the event has been cancelled because it could "threaten the reputation of the hotel" What reputation, one wonders? Her name is Ms Sarah Small and her office telephone number is 0121-633-1715.Ms Small is well named because she is just another small fry told what to do by those who have no wish to face the people who must take the consequences of their pathetic actions.love,David Are you a rebel? - please come and join us at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Post a message, send it to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[CTRL] Sv: Re: [CTRL] MP child rapist
-Caveat Lector- Dear Johannes Schmidt III, You did well in posting this information. This should be the place, where we confront the bestiality of the world. If we dont want to look at the dirty details, then how can we do something about it? In the mind control litterature there is stuff which is much more disgusting. I found that hard at times, but it is my opinion we have to go through it. Without an attitude of steel, we dont have a chance. Love, Ole Gerstrom, Copenhagen, Denmark - Original Message - From: Johannes Schmidt III [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] MP child rapist -Caveat Lector- Perhaps I'm desensitised to this sort of thing, but this is exactly the sort of thing that people like David Icke, Candy Jones, lots of fundamentalists, feminists etc. are concerned about. Right to privacy is one thing, but remember this man was a senior member of the Government, and he was also quite powerful within the Labor party in Queensland and nationally. Just think if a man like this became prime minister? With the benefit of hindsight, maybe I should have put a stronger disclaimer and I apologise if anyone was upset. This is from a major newspaper here. On Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:33:55 -0400 Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Must we get this kind of pornographic details from this list. Whether it is written from a pervert's point of view or a reporters point of view, it is still disgusting and very offensive. Actually, I agree. It is a terrible article, indeed, and today I thought long and hard about it. There is the right to know what is happening in your community, the right of free speech, the necessity of having fair and open criminal trials, which includes being able to report and publish on the details of cases - but all I could think of was that this type of reporting is unnecessary, perhaps. All it did for me was read like a Guide to Raping a Child, a sleazy reporting of a horrific event. I only saw a dark side when I read this article. I thought that it would be saved by pediophiles as a fantasy they could jerk off to. It is articles like this that are, to me, borderline and despicable. I can think of reasons to justify it, but it just makes my heart cry. Kelly A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Vs: DavidIcke2000 THE SATANIC BLOODLINES
-Caveat Lector- McDonald Family http://surf.to/illuminati_news/ THE SATANIC BLOODLINES When one thinks of the name McDonald one immediately thinks of the fast food hamburger chain which has francises all over the world. The McDonald's Corp. has been rumored for years to be connected to Satanism. In fact a book which tries to debunk belief in a Satanic conspiracy entitled Satan Wants You reported the rumor that Mc Donald's owner Ray Kroc tithed to the Church of Satan. (see Satan Wants You, pg. 140). Ray Kroc does spend time with NWO elites and is a member of the Bohemian Grove. There is no doubt that the McDonald's Corp. has an inside track with the Illuminati, because the U.S. government has given according to one source 40 million dollars in public tax money to McDonalds to help them set up McDonald Restaurants in foreign countries under the disguise that this was money spent on foreign policy. In 1991, the total of McDonald outlets (restaurants) in the 3 primary European nations of Britain, France and West Germany totalled 959 restaurants. In spite of the millions of dollars of tax dollars the U.S. has given to McDonalds Corp., the money doesn't seem to be directly connected to the McDonalds family, because the McDonalds family (Richard and Maurice McDonald known as 'Dick" and "Mac") which started the restaurants in 1937 were bought out by Ray Kroc around 1954. By the time Ray Kroc had bought out the McDonald brothers, they had a very successful business going. The McDonald brothers lived in the rich section of San Bernadino, and had around 11 McDonald restaurants. The brothers made about $100,000 profit a year and were quite content. The McDonalds had designed the golden arches and had put together the tast food concept and had been selling franchises. However, the McDonalds were too content. The McDonalds didn't want to expand, and when Ray Kroc formed McDonald's System. Inc. on Mar. 2, 1955 after buying out the brothers with borrowed money, he vigourously went to work to develop Mconalds into the International Francise that it is. Ray Kroc (bn. 10/5/194)2 in Oak Park. Chicago) lived frugally for many years putting his whole life into building up the McDonald's francise. It was his drive that took a good idea and changed it from a success in Hollywood and San Bernadino into an international success. Ray Kroc knew a good idea when he saw it, and developed other people's good ideas into a great success. James A. Collins, chairman of Collins Foods International, now the largest Kentucky Fried Chicken franchisee and the operator of Sizzler Restaurants talked about his time with the McDonalds in 1952, 'There was a fraternity of us, and every one of us saw the McDonald's in San Bernadino and basically copied it after the boys [the McDonald brothers gave us a tour." "We all took our lessons from the Mcdonald brothers," Collins remembers. The concepts that francises pay for the McDonald brothers were giving out free, and Collins turned around and began getting $100 a day training people from Carnation, with the concepts that the McDonalds had shared. Henry's Drive Ins and Ken's were McDonald look-alikes that started from people trained by Collins. Glen Bell who started Taco Bell, who patronized the McDonald's main restaurant in San Bernandino started Taco Bell from ideas from McDonalds. The first year Collins imitated McDonalds with his own fast food restaurant, Collins made $80,000 a year take home pay. The McDonald brothers became a part of the local elite of San Bernadino, CA along side such rich local families as Guthrie, Stater, and Harris. Readers are reminded of all the articles in my newsletters about how San Bernadino is a major headquarters for the Illuminati and Satanic Hubs because there are so many thousands of practicioners of black magic in the area. I do know from working with survivors of the Illuminati that the McDonald family has part of their people in the Illuminati. How far back does the McDonald family go in the occult? The McDonald family was a Scottish clan that was part of Druidism. Many of the McDonald have gone on to serve Christ. However, there is still a large powerful contingent of the McDonald family which is connected to the Mystery Religions, and which has family members who are part of the Illuminati. Each of the major Scottish clans had an area that they controlled of Scotland. The McDonalds controlled the islands and coastal areas on the west coast of Scotland. When the Knights Templars tied persecution, in order to escape the various british fleets, they sailed a route that took them to western Scotland. During the time of King Philippe IV of France. the McDonalds were involved in the movement of the Knights Templars. The Knights Templars had adopted gnostic/satanic practices during the centuries they guarded the pilgrims in the Middle East. The Order had also become
[CTRL] Vs: DavidIcke2000 THE SATANIC BLOODLINES
-Caveat Lector- McDonald Family http://surf.to/illuminati_news/ THE SATANIC BLOODLINES When one thinks of the name McDonald one immediately thinks of the fast food hamburger chain which has francises all over the world. The McDonald's Corp. has been rumored for years to be connected to Satanism. In fact a book which tries to debunk belief in a Satanic conspiracy entitled Satan Wants You reported the rumor that Mc Donald's owner Ray Kroc tithed to the Church of Satan. (see Satan Wants You, pg. 140). Ray Kroc does spend time with NWO elites and is a member of the Bohemian Grove. There is no doubt that the McDonald's Corp. has an inside track with the Illuminati, because the U.S. government has given according to one source 40 million dollars in public tax money to McDonalds to help them set up McDonald Restaurants in foreign countries under the disguise that this was money spent on foreign policy. In 1991, the total of McDonald outlets (restaurants) in the 3 primary European nations of Britain, France and West Germany totalled 959 restaurants. In spite of the millions of dollars of tax dollars the U.S. has given to McDonalds Corp., the money doesn't seem to be directly connected to the McDonalds family, because the McDonalds family (Richard and Maurice McDonald known as 'Dick" and "Mac") which started the restaurants in 1937 were bought out by Ray Kroc around 1954. By the time Ray Kroc had bought out the McDonald brothers, they had a very successful business going. The McDonald brothers lived in the rich section of San Bernadino, and had around 11 McDonald restaurants. The brothers made about $100,000 profit a year and were quite content. The McDonalds had designed the golden arches and had put together the tast food concept and had been selling franchises. However, the McDonalds were too content. The McDonalds didn't want to expand, and when Ray Kroc formed McDonald's System. Inc. on Mar. 2, 1955 after buying out the brothers with borrowed money, he vigourously went to work to develop Mconalds into the International Francise that it is. Ray Kroc (bn. 10/5/194)2 in Oak Park. Chicago) lived frugally for many years putting his whole life into building up the McDonald's francise. It was his drive that took a good idea and changed it from a success in Hollywood and San Bernadino into an international success. Ray Kroc knew a good idea when he saw it, and developed other people's good ideas into a great success. James A. Collins, chairman of Collins Foods International, now the largest Kentucky Fried Chicken franchisee and the operator of Sizzler Restaurants talked about his time with the McDonalds in 1952, 'There was a fraternity of us, and every one of us saw the McDonald's in San Bernadino and basically copied it after the boys [the McDonald brothers gave us a tour." "We all took our lessons from the Mcdonald brothers," Collins remembers. The concepts that francises pay for the McDonald brothers were giving out free, and Collins turned around and began getting $100 a day training people from Carnation, with the concepts that the McDonalds had shared. Henry's Drive Ins and Ken's were McDonald look-alikes that started from people trained by Collins. Glen Bell who started Taco Bell, who patronized the McDonald's main restaurant in San Bernandino started Taco Bell from ideas from McDonalds. The first year Collins imitated McDonalds with his own fast food restaurant, Collins made $80,000 a year take home pay. The McDonald brothers became a part of the local elite of San Bernadino, CA along side such rich local families as Guthrie, Stater, and Harris. Readers are reminded of all the articles in my newsletters about how San Bernadino is a major headquarters for the Illuminati and Satanic Hubs because there are so many thousands of practicioners of black magic in the area. I do know from working with survivors of the Illuminati that the McDonald family has part of their people in the Illuminati. How far back does the McDonald family go in the occult? The McDonald family was a Scottish clan that was part of Druidism. Many of the McDonald have gone on to serve Christ. However, there is still a large powerful contingent of the McDonald family which is connected to the Mystery Religions, and which has family members who are part of the Illuminati. Each of the major Scottish clans had an area that they controlled of Scotland. The McDonalds controlled the islands and coastal areas on the west coast of Scotland. When the Knights Templars tied persecution, in order to escape the various british fleets, they sailed a route that took them to western Scotland. During the time of King Philippe IV of France. the McDonalds were involved in the movement of the Knights Templars. The Knights Templars had adopted gnostic/satanic practices during the centuries they guarded the pilgrims in the Middle East. The Order had also become
[CTRL] Interview with English author David Icke by Kenneth Burke
THE BIGGEST SECRETAn Interview with English author David Icke by Kenneth Burkehttp://www.leadingedgenews.com/secret.htm ABOUT THE AUTHOR: In The Biggest Secret, David Icke reveals in documented,sourced detail how the same interconnecting bloodlines have controlled theplanet for thousands of years. How they created all the major religions andsuppressed the spiritual and esoteric knowledge that will set humanity freefrom its mental and emotional prisons. It includes an exposé of the trueorigins of Christianity and the other major religions and documents thesuppressed science which explains why the world is facing a time ofincredible change and transformation. As a kid, says Icke, I always wonderedhow a few islands which you can hardly see on the globe could have an Empirethat spanned the world. Now the reason is obvious. It was not the GreatBritish Empire at all. It was the empire of the Babylonian Brotherhood. Formore on The Biggest Secret, see the display ad on Page 28 in The LeadingEdge Newspaper.LE: David, I realize that creating a thumbnail sketch of connecting the dotsthat are in your new book, "The Biggest Secret," is difficult, but could youconnect a few dots for our readers, so they'll at least understand the basicpremise of your work?DI: Yes, I can, actually. "The Biggest Secret" is 550 pages with 60illustrations and over 40 pictures. I really pushed the boat out with it.It's in great detail, and the material is tremendously sourced as much aspossible. I can actually summarize the story very simply. What my researchand my unbelievably synchronistic life in terms of the research have shownme, explained in great detail in the book is that, if you go far enoughback, you pick up not just one extraterrestrial race, but extraterrestrialraces, which interbred with humanity. There is one particular group, withinan extraterrestrial race, which operates within the physical world(certainly from within the Earth), and its primary place of focus is thelower fourth dimension, which people call the astral level. This is thereptilian race. I suggest strongly in the book that, those we call theAnanaki (in the Sumerian Tablets) are actually a reptilian race. I am notalone in this. Dr. David Arthur Horne has written a book, "Humanity'sExtraterrestrial Origins", and has made the same connections that I have. Imake these connections, not just from intuition, but from a tremendousamount of ancient and modern evidence that shows that this reptilianconnection travels right through these thousands of years to the presentday. Some of these references to serpents and dragons are obviouslysymbolic, not the least, the Kundalini energy and other things, but when youlook at the evidence, there is a tremendous number of literal references toserpent people - serpent gods. When you do the research, again, into thearea where this seems to have happened in the Caucasus Mountains, in what wenow call Turkey, Iran and Iraq, which we called Sumer and Babylon, and intothe plains of Egypt (the area particularly around the Caucasus Mountainsseems to be the place where these bloodlines came out). This interbreedingoccurred between the human race and this reptilian group within a race. Now,I don't see the reptilian genetic stream as negative in itself - quite theopposite - it's just this particular group within it. The Sumerian Tabletsand many other accounts,all over the world, talk about the fact that these hybrids became thedemigods, the middle men and women between the gods and humanity. If youlook at some of the history of Iran, the earliest kings were called theserpent kings, and they became kings as a result of their genetic structureand their family bloodlines. This is where the Divine right of kings comesfrom. Where we lost the plot is that it didn't refer to god - if you like,everything that exists - it referred to the GODS.Now, around 2200 B.C., something emerged in Egypt, called the Royal Court ofthe Dragon. That is still going strong, today, 4000 years later, and it'sbased in England, which is, for me, the epicenter of global control - theepicenter of the network that controls the world - not Tony Blair'sgovernment (although he is a big front-man for them) - but the epicenter ofcontrol is in the area, which we call the city of London - the financialdistrict and the other interlocking areas. As you probably know, London isthe great sprawl of London and, within it, is an area, which is called theCity of London. That's the financial district, basically, where the Bank ofEngland is. Basically, the control of the world financial markets is there.So, when you do the genealogy, and I've done quite a bit already, as well asthe history, you can follow this basically Aryan race of people, who cameoriginally to Britain by ship under the name of the Phoenicians, who are avery significant part of history, which conventional history pushes to thesidelines. I show in the book
Re: [CTRL] TRAGEDY AND HOPE Online!!!! Point of clarification
-Caveat Lector- Dear Aleisha, Quigley was a scholar and professor of history at Georgetown University, which is the place where the US State Department indoctrinate civil servants on the wonders of the NWO. The very interesting thing about TRAGEDY AND HOPE is that Quigleys source for writing it was the hidden records of the "anglo-american establishment." And thus he told the public of this for the first time. That Quigley praised the goals of this "anglo-american establishment" does not make his findings less valuable. Especially when you consider, that his publisher sabotaged the reprint. In 1974 I asked the head of the parliamentary library here in Copenhagen to find this book for me. He could not locate it from his desk in Copenhagen. But when he was to go on a trip to Washington DC, he promised me, that he would find it in the Library of Congress or wherever, and deliver it to me. He did not succed. Later I bought a piratecopy on the black market. Love, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark - Original Message - From: Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] "TRAGEDY AND HOPE" Online Point of clarification -Caveat Lector- Read once where Quigley was a more or less spy for JBS who got into the NWO bunch or CFR and was virtually brainwashed and he believed after investigating matter, etc., that what they tried to do was wonderful? So like a Henry Kissinger - he crossed over so many times maybe he has no loyalty to anyone other than himself for he now believes he is the master? That guy has never been elected to anything. ' All these people are self appointed gods from your local Chamber of Commerce - the big boys who not only brainwash but do a lot of money laundering when it comes to big drug stuff? We have met the enemy and it is US? A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] 500 GERMAN COLONISTS FIND UNDERGOUND TUNNEL IN 1572
- Original Message - From: Mike Clark To: 'Ole Gerstrøm' This is from Val Valerian's Matrix Master Composite Chronology.In 1572 a group of 500 German colonists originating mainly fromthe DUKEDOM OF SAXE-COBURG ( REMEMBER I HAVE TOLDYOU THAT THAT THE CURRENT RULING FAMILY OF ENGLANDARE NOT WINDSORS BUT GERMAN ILLUMINATI SAXE-COBURG-GOTHA, ALSO CONFIRMED IN DAVID ICKE'S BOOK). Back tomy point. 500 German Colonists from the DUKEDOM OF SAXE-COBURGwere hired by SEBASTIAN the FIRST KING OF PORTUGAL to mana garrison on the Amazon River. The group had problems withthe local indians and stumbled upon a cave entrance to a vastunderground cavern. Headed by a German named Von Lucknerthe underground colony built cities in the caverns. According toValerian two of these cities exist today. One is known as Von Luckner and the other Wagner. Underground they found otherswith linguistic similarities to German. Supposedly these otherUNDERGROUNDERS came to Earth 30,000 years ago in responseto a REPTILIAN INVASION OF EARTH. Again according to Valerian that surface living Germans of today evolved from a secrettunnel opening in the BLACK FOREST AREA OF BAVARIA.Remember what Icke said in his book. That it is possible thatthe ARYANS arrived from the PLANET MARS trying to fleefrom THE DRAGON RACE.THEN ACCORDING TO VALERIAN IN 1853. GERMAN ILLUMINATILIVING IN INNER EARTH CITIES abandoned their reticence towardupper surface outsiders and bring a German engineer from the surfaceto design a single track electric railway. THE SECRET TUNNEL ENTRANCE AT THE BRAZIL-PERU BORDER IS KEPT A WELLGUARDED SECRET.THEN IN 1914, AGAIN ACCORDING TO VALERIAN. PAPERSLEVIED BY THE STATE DEPARTMENT SHOW CLEAR GERMANEFFORTS TO MAINTAIN FREE ACCESS ROUTES TO UNDERGROUNDGERMAN CITIES IN SOUTH AMERICA AND ANTARCTICA. THESOUTH POLE WAS TO BE USED FOR FUTURE COLONIZATION.THIS CLAUSE IN THE SECRET WAR CORRESPONDENCES BETWEENIMPERIAL GERMAN AND THE ALLIES WAS SHOWN TO BRITISHPRIME MINISTER DAVID LLOYD GEORGE BY AMERICAN ILLUMINATIMEMBER COLONEL EDWARD MANDELL HOUSE. GERMAN FOREIGN MINISTER ARTHUR ZIMMERMAN STATES IN PUBLICTHAT HE KNOWS OF SECRET GERMAN (ARYAN) CITIES INSOUTH AMERICA , IRAN AND IRAQ. PLEASE PAY SPECIAL ATTENTION TO THE WORD ( IRAN )WHICH IS DERIVED FROM THE WORD ( ARYAN ).Valerian doesnt list a bibliography for his sources. It is simplya time line. BUT THEN LOOK AT THE FACTS ABOUT PHIL SCHNEIDER THE MINING ENGINEER MENTIONED IN BOTH PANDORA'S BOX BOOKS.AND ALSO THE GERMAN ILLUMINATI U-BOAT COMMANDERWHO WAS HIS FATHER OTTO VON SCHNEIDER. THIS WASTHE SAME OTTO VON SCHNEIDER THAT IN 1943 ( DURING THEMIDDLE OF THE WAR ) DID THE AUTOPSIES ON THE SAILORSON BOARD THE VESSEL KNOWN AS THE "ELDRIDGE"OF PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT FAME.HEY WHAT WOULD YOU GUYS DO WITHOUT ME.MIKE FROM DALLAS eGroups Sponsor Subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED]Unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[CTRL] DAVID ICKE OFFERS SPIRITUAL ANSWERS TO GLOBAL CONSPIRACIES
DAVID ICKE OFFERS SPIRITUAL ANSWERS TO GLOBAL CONSPIRACIESAn Exclusive American Interview With This Controversial Authorhttp://www.leadingedgenews.com/icke.htm...Interviewed By Kenneth and Dee BurkeDavid Icke was a professional soccer player for Coventry City and later forHereford before rheumatoid arthritis forced him to quit at the age of 21. Heturned to journalism and then to television, becoming a sports correspondenton BBC 2's "Newsnight" and contributing regularly to BBCI's "Grandstand." Hewent on to become a national spokesman for Britains's Green Party before avisit to a medium and healer set him on the journey of discovery which wasto change his life. Having written several books, including The Robot'sRebellion, Truth Vibrations, and Heal the World David talks about a newerbook, ...and the truth shall set you free..., which reveals the esotericbackground to (what is called) the global conspiracy and offers an inspiringspiritual solution in which David believes that every man, woman and childcan break free from daily programming and take back their power to decidetheir own destiny. David refers to this latter book as, "the most explosivebook of the 20th century."LE: David, tell us about ...and the truth shall set you free...David: Yes. It's about 500 pages of documented information which fitstogether many things that appear to be independent of each other...and showshow the same few people actually pull the strings of all of them. And, atthe same time, it looks at the spiritual solutions because the very strongpoint that I'm making is that the conspiratorial and the spiritual are notisolated. They're not independent. They are a reflection of each other. I'ma great believer in the idea that we create our own reality. I think we putout a magnetic pulse, a magnetic vibration like a broadcast, which is uniqueto us. It reflects exactly our sense of reality and our sense of self. Ifeel that this magnetic broadcast then attracts to it other magnetic fields(people, places, ways of life, experiences) which create, in effect an exactphysical replica of our subconscious mind in front of our eyes. I think thatall the people and experiences, the things we attract into our lives, areactually reflecting back as part of us.LE: We believe that also.David: And, therefore...and it's increasingly probably true...a very fewpeople control the worldnot everything that happens in the world, butits direction toward more centralization of power and erosion of freedom.Then, that must be a physical reflection of the collective humanconsciousness and its state of being. I feel it works like this: you can'tcontrol 6 billion people with taxes because there are too many people. But,you can do it by coup d'etat of the mind, which is to persuade and pressurepeople through fear to think the way you want them to think, or preferably,not to think at all. You're like a farmer. You can control a whole vast herdof sheep because most of the sheep will follow the one in front, and thosestragglers that don't immediately conform get the dose of fear from thesheep dog. I have actually watched one sheep dog round up a whole herd ofsheep and I thought, "Crickey! This is how the human race is controlled!"What happens is that, if you look at all dogmas, all cultures, allsocieties, they've got what I call a "hassle-free zone." This is that areawithin any culture, within each dogma, whether it's a religious dogma orwhatever, wherein you conform to the accepted thought and behavior of thatdogma of that society. You're in the comfort zone (the hassle-free zone). Noone's going to laugh at you or condemn you for being different, forexpressing your uniqueness, because you're locked into the herd mentality,and you're conforming to what you're told you should be. When you step outof the herd mentality and you say, "Hey, I'm me! I'm a unique aspect of allthat exists and, therefore, I'm not going to be frightened," then youimmediately face hassle or ridicule or condemnation, or, in my case, all ofthem, in England.LE: Most people are afraid to do this.David: Yes. The fear of facing condemnation gets people to conform to whatthey think is acceptable to others rather than expressing who they reallyare. So, what we have in the world, I feel, as a result of this, is vastnumbers of people (the majority, particularly in what we call the West), whoare walking down the street every day and living their lives, not projectingat the world their really unique selves, but putting on a mask which says,"This is not really me, but this is what I think is acceptable so I cancontinue to live my life free from hassle." Therefore, if we are going tosuccumb to this fear of our own uniqueness, whoever (and it's a very few)can actually set the limits in society of what is acceptable to say, do andthink...can control vast numbers of people.This is how a few people, in my opinion, control the world. They set
[CTRL] CRYSTALS
Per intuitive knowledge (please forgive me for being so unprecise) I know, that crystals are used in communications, like crystals were used in early radio-sets. And some of you may remember the american magazine PLAIN TRUTH, edited and distributed for free by this amazing american individual Herbert Armstrong. The magazine was fundamentally Christian, and Armstrong visited state leaders all overthe planet to deliver the good message of the Lord, Christ, the Holy Ghost,etc. As a gift he always delivered avery large and beautifull crystal. It was so spektakular, that it almost begged to be put at the mantelpiece. So there it stood, and performed its job as a secret communication device enabling aliens in spacecrafts to pick up sound and sight in the prime ministers office. I told this to Steward Swerdlow once, and he confirmed, this is the way it works. Love, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark
[CTRL] Lizard People Crap was ....Satanisme in the Vatican
NSA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's clear now, and has been for a long time for some us, that for many ofthe loony Ickeites, the term Reptilian"'PREDATORS" is a code word for Jew, Iquote from one of my posts below: Now, who is a lunatic ? For anybody who has actually read David Ickes "The Biggest Secret," it is obvious, that reptilian means reptilian,and the above statement is rubbish. But of course, the pro-reptilian lobby would be happy, if Icke could be labelled anti-jewish. Love, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark
[CTRL] Icke's REAL opinion of the reptilians
-Caveat Lector- This is David Icke's response to people who say he hates the reptilians as a whole (dug it offa Purple's site -- thanks Purp!): THE REPTILIANS: A REPLY by David Icke There are those who say, apparently, that I am "demonising" reptilians by exposing the background to the global conspiracy and blaming everything on them. That's a point they are entitled to make, but I think it is extremely unfair to say that I am casting them all in the same light or, indeed, that I am saying they are the foundation cause of the global control. The real cause is billions of people giving their minds away to conditioned "norms" and insisting, at the threat of ridicule or condemnation, that everyone else does the same. Without that, no-one could control the lives of so many people, reptilian or otherwise. We are the real cause and therefore we hold the key to changing the prison to a paradise. Over the last few days, I have been described as everything from an Illuminati disinformer under mind control to a micro-chipped clone of the Draco reptilians. I have, apparently, become an "issue". How exciting. Little me, an issue. Me dad would have been so proud. Anyway, first some quotes from The Biggest Secret: "As I will keep emphasising, not all reptilians are of malevolent intent and I have no wish to demonise the reptile stream. We are talking here only of one group of them." "I think the reptilian genetic stream operates throughout the Universe and they are not all malevolent, far from it. As with humanity, they contain the whole spectrum of attitudes from love to hate, freedom to control. I am identifying a particular group of them, not the whole species - I cannot emphasise that enough." "It appears from my research that there are different reptilian factions: those who are more positive in their attitude to humanity and those who wish to dominate and control. They both became known as Watchers or angels, the latter as fallen angels." "I would also stress again, before I finish, that when I talk of reptilians I am talking only of those who are seeking to manipulate humanity, not the species as a whole. Many of the reptilian species are trying to help us break the spell and even the manipulating reptilians are possessed by a fifth dimensional force. In the end we're all One, anyway. I wonder if that really sounds like someone seeking to demonise a whole species. All species and races contain the entire gamut of attitudes and emotions. To expose the Nazis is not to say that every human is a Nazi by implication. If some people don't read these balancing statements and claim that I am saying all reptilians are the same, what can I do about that? How many times am I supposed to repeat the same statement? I hope this makes it clear to people where I am coming from and if anyone has positive reptilian information or experiences to pass on, send the articles and I will post them. No problem. But instead of doing that, some people just sit and moan. Its easier that way, I guess. I have been staggered in the last few days to have met one researcher and read articles by others who made statements of "fact" about me when they have clearly not read my material, except at a glance, nor ever seen me speak. One accused me of telling people there was no hope (a staggering statement to anyone who has read my books or heard me speak) and then he finished the conversation by saying that the New World Order was going to happen and there was nothing anyone could do about it!! Er, pardon? I am the one, indeed one of the few, conspiracy researchers who is saying we CAN do something about it because, in the end, we are holding up the whole house of cards. Another writer, a Anna Hayes, author of the Voyager Books, admits that she has learned of my work only from "people who told me", but then considers this sufficient research to post an immense tome revealing where I am going wrong, how I am mind controlled, or micro- chipped etc. etc. I trust her books are based on rather more research. You've got to laugh, well I have anyway. I also hear that I am claiming that the reptilian brain operates the same as lizards and snakes and dinosaurs of millions of years ago. Not at all. I am quoting in the related article on the reptilian brain from conventional scientific sources, not my own conclusions. I am quoting the character traits they say are formed in the ancient reptilian part of the brain, the R-complex as they call it. Of course the reptilian brain will have evolved over millions of years and its human expression will not be a mirror of the way the brain of a lizard or crocodile operates. But there are themes that are the same, themes of ritualistic behaviour, for example. The idea, in the human example, is to balance out those traits with other parts of our brains and
[CTRL] Sir Laurence a shapeshifter?
IS THIS TRUE, SIR LAURENCE? New claims that Sir Laurence Gardner is a shape-shifter who takes part in human sacrifice rituals. Major revelations about the reptilian presence on this planet. by DAVID ICKE Many people were understandably shocked and skeptical when Arizona Wilder claimed in the video, Revelations of a Mother Goddess, that Sir Laurence Gardner, the author and head of the ancient Royal Court of the Dragon Sovereignty, was a shape-shifting reptilian who took part in Satanic human sacrifice rituals she had witnessed. Nexus Magazine, and its publisher, Duncan Roads, have been particularly scathing of these claims. Hardly surprising, when Sir Laurence Gardner has been massively promoted by Roads and his magazine. But now the author and lecturer, Stewart Swerdlow, says that he also witnessed human sacrifice and blood drinking rituals at the Montauk mind control centre on Long Island, New York, in which Sir Laurence Gardner played a major role. Swerdlow is the author of five books, The Montauk Project: The Alien Connection; The Healers Handbook; As You Sow, So You Shall Reap; Healing of the Mind; and The White Owl Legend. He says he was a victim of the now extensively documented mind control operation at Montauk Point from the age of 14 in the early seventies. He was one of the so-called "Montauk Boys". He has never named names before, but has now chosen to talk to me about his experience of Sir Laurence, who has gained fame in recent years on the New Age and Holy Grail "circuit" for his books claiming that the Merovingian bloodline is the bloodline of Jesus. His best known works are Bloodlines of the Holy Grail and the Genesis of the Grail Kings: The Explosive Story of Genetic Cloning and the Ancient Bloodline of Jesus. I have most strongly contended in my own books and talks that this claim about the bloodline of "Jesus" is a diversion from the fact that the "Holy Grail" or Merovingian bloodline is a key reptilian bloodline from which vast numbers of people in royal, political, economic, religious, and military power today, genetically descend. It is the desire to maintain this reptilian genetic structure which has led to the obsessive interbreeding for aeons to the present day of the "elite" families. Sir Laurence himself calls these "Holy Grail" bloodlines the "dragon" bloodlines, but claims that this term derives from the use of crocodile fat in the royal ceremonies of ancient Egypt. I would contend that the word "dragon" has a much more fundamental meaning than that. These bloodlines, which have invariably ended up in the positions of power since pre-history, have a much more dominant reptilian genetic code which has resulted from interbreeding thousands of years ago between a reptilian race (the "Serpent" race of endless legend) and the mammal-dominated bloodlines which we call "human". Sir Laurence claims that the dragon bloodline, which he connects to the House of Stewart, has the right to the British throne and indeed that these bloodlines have the right to rule in general. According to him the senior legitimate descendant in this line is HRH Prince Michael Stewart, Count of Albany, although the background to this guy is being increasingly questioned and there are claims that he has invented the title. Sir Laurence also talks in positive terms about the drinking of menstrual blood, or "Starfire", which, interestingly, was the Illuminati code name of Arizona Wilder, the "Mother Goddess" who conducted sacrificial rituals for the Illuminati in a mind-controlled state (See Revelations of a Mother Goddess and The Biggest Secret). You can read at length what Sir Laurence is claiming on this link: (Starfire Article) In my view it is classic disinformation or what I call gin and tonic with a twist. A great deal of truth, spun with the idea that these dragon bloodlines are not literally reptilian and are, instead, the genetic stream of Jesus and Mary Magdalene. In an article in Nexus Magazine, he acknowledges that ancient legends said these lines were literally shape-shifting reptilians, but in an obvious swipe at The Biggest Secret, he says that it is astonishing in these more enlightened times that anyone can still believe it. Sorry, Sir Laurence, the evidence will overwhelm you and is already beginning to do so. Laurence Gardner has quite a CV: Chancellor of the Royal Court of the Dragon Sovereignty, which first emerged in Egypt in around 2,200BC and is now based in Britain; Prior of the Celtic Church's Sacred Kindred of St Columba, and an "internationally known sovereign and chivalric genealogist" Chevalier Labhran de Saint Germain, "Presidential Attache to the European Council of Princes - a constitutional advisory body established in 1946" formally attached to the Noble Household Guard of the Royal House
[CTRL] YOUR ROYAL REPTILE
In February this year the danish queen Margrethe II visited her british colleague, the well known Elizabeth II. First Elizabeth threw a dinner, and the next day, when they got hungry, Margrethe invited. This was called the return dinner. Because the Royal Danish Ballet had to perform a Pas de Sept, there had to be dancing space, and thus, we are told, the halls of the London Museum of Natural History were chosen for the event. On the walls were rows of plesiosauruses, but the dominant reptile in the large hall was the enormousdiplodicus. The photograpers got ideas for some good shots, but they were specifically ordered, notunder any circumstance, to take picturesof the british royals next to any skeleton reptile. Source: Berlingske Tidende, 20. february, 2000. Love, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark
[CTRL] Sv: [CTRL] David Icke
-Caveat Lector- Johannes Schmidt III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heh. If you have a spare $50, or a very broad-minded public library, try reading through The Truth Will Set You Free. The scholarship on his website is something else. They published as fact an article written some years ago in a gaming magazine about the 'Serpent People' of ancient Lemuria who still walk among us. The article in question was for a role-playing game, which seems to have evaded the researcher's notice. I don't know if Icke himself posted it there, but I'm sure he would be aware of it. Dear Johannes, Why dont you write this to David Icke, and let us know what he answers. Love, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Satanisme in the Vatican
In Italy a book "Via col vento in Vaticanp"(Gone with the wind in the Vatican) by I. Millenari was published last year. It stated, that it was common practise whenever a a clergyman was caught having sexual relations, with women or men, orpaedofile relations with boys or girls, that instead of being demoted, he was usually promoted. This indicates, that it is preferred to have someone in higher positions, who can be blackmailed, or that wicked persons are wanted in high places. The book also tells, how the vaticans prime minister and former ambassador to Chile, cardinal Angelo Sodano admired Augusto Pinochet and in1998 took diplomatic steps to prevent Pinochet from being extradited to Spain for prosecution. TheOpus Dei order ismentioned as a powerfull organization, which is a mix of a monastic and a masonic order. But the sensation is the claim of secret satanic mass being conducted in the Vatican, where particpants wear a sort of Ku Klux Klan robe, and are naked under that. Thisis similar to the satanic shapeshifter ceremonies David Icke has reported in "The Biggest Secret." Love, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark
[CTRL] Manipulating Those of Us on the Surface
archived 01-25-00Archive file# e012500adonated by Brantonhttp://users2.50megs.com/reptile/exp/e012500a.htmlManipulating Those of Us on the "Surface"by Branton[Note: I have tried for several days to put together this post and send itto you, however in all seriousness it seemed as if someone or something wasmaking every effort to prevent me from doing so. All kinds of computerglitches and obstacles appeared, far beyond coincidence as far as I'mconcerned. Twice the post was wiped out when nearly completed, and in fact Ithought about giving up even trying to re-write it. Hopefully though THISONE WILL get through to you... and hopefully you will be able to benefitfrom it without any further "interference"...] (Jan 25, 2000)Dear Mr. Icke;The following information may help you to understand more fully just how therh-negative reptilian hybrid genetic lines have been manipulating those ofus on the "surface" of this planet for centuries.First, of which you probably are aware, as a whole these reptilian hybridsoften lead a double life involving duel personalities, one which leads a"normal" life in the outer world, and one that is deeply involved with theunderground alien society on a nocturnal basis. This is especially true with"cocooned/hosted" individuals and "hybrids/abductees".I believe that I am one such "hybrid". My genealogical line intersects withthe ancestrage of the English Royal family, and from what I understand manyof the hybrid lines have ended up in the neo-Masonic lodge known as theMormon/LDS church, which serves as a cover for many of the old reptilianblood lines... possibly the reason why LDS prefer large families, i.e. to"breed" out the normal human genetic lines to be replaced byreptilian/hybrid lines? I am familiar with many, many Mormon cultured hybridabductees who are also MPD's, however I have also found that there istremendous pressure placed on these people especially in Utah [one of themajor underground nesting areas for both reptilians and hybrids] NOT todiscuss their abductions, even though the Mormon church officially doesteach in the existence of extraterrestrial civilizations. This is not to saythat hybrids do not have souls, for I believe that many of them do [ othersthough, I wonder about... ;-) ]There are however even more full-blooded reptilian and hybrid blood lineswho reside permanently in the underground society, and who are sold-outSatanic worshiping, blood-festing, shape shifters.In fact these reptilian genetic lines operate in a parasitic manner, theunderground society acting as the "parasite" society and the surface societyoperating as the "host" society, similar to the scenario in the classicmovie "THE TIME MACHINE", regarding the parasite-host relationship whichexisted between the surface dwelling ELOI and the troglodytic MORLOCKS.Another movie that depicts the hidden reality is "THEY LIVE", produced bythe inspired director John Carpenter. In almost every instance those whichhave access to the underground networks are members of the Masonic lodge,both on the surface and below... with those below for the most part havingbeen initiated into the 13 Illuminati degrees -- i.e. the 34-46 degrees.Take note of the fact that the House of the Temple in Washington D.C. is notonly at the top of the occultic pentagram-like street layout of the city,but according to the Rev. Jim Shaw in his book THE DEADLY DECEPTION, Shawnoticed definite signs of SERPENT WORSHIP within this "temple" during hisown initiation into the 33rd degree... and no doubt there are alsounderground connections linking this headquarters of the 33rd degree of theScottish Rite to underground systems below.Underneath most major cities, especially in the USA in fact, there existsubterranean counterpart "cities" controlled by the Masonic/Hybrid/Alien"elite". Often surface/subsurface terminals exist beneath Masonic Lodges,Police Stations, Air Ports, and Federal Buildings of major cities... andeven not so "major" cities.The population ratio is probably close to 10% of the population [the hybridmilitary-industrial fraternity "elite"] living below ground as opposed tothe 90% living above. This does not include the full-blood reptilian specieswho live in even deeper recesses of the earth.Those in the underground society have access to interstellar technology andin fact our controlled society actually serves to FEED their ongoingconquests of other worlds [including the use of Montauk-likeStargate/timetunnel technology which our planetary grid, which is unique inthe universe, allows].Many Federations throughout the galaxy consider planet earth to be theshithole of the universe, the source of MOST of the imperialistic atrocitiesbeing committed against other worlds by the Alternative-Three collective[consisting of fallen astral, reptilian, and human "elite" collaborators].Many Federations are non-interventionist, and the reptilians below know it,which is why
[CTRL] Satanic Symbolism Surrounding the Death of Princess Diana
-Caveat Lector- Dear June, No, occultisme is not the same as satanisme. But the ruling circles of this planet are occult and satanic as documented by David Icke in "The Biggest Secret." I strongly recommend you read that book. It will answer your many questions much better than I can do. But I will mention, that satanisme as mentioned here, includes black mass at midnight with human sacrifice. Love, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark - Original Message - From: Ynr Chyldz Wyld [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 12:02 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Satanic Symbolism Surrounding the Death of Princess Diana -Caveat Lector- From: "Ole Gerstrøm" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Satanic Symbolism Surrounding the Death of Princess Diana And what, pray tell, is 'satanic' about any of the supposed symbols? The city of Paris was founded in the sixth century AD by the Sicambrian Franks, an aryan race of middle-eastern extraction. They were keen followers of occult pracices, If true, what exactly in their practice do you construe as 'satanic'? Or are you implying you equate ANYTHING labeled 'occult' as the equivalent of 'satanic'? If so, you may be surprised to know that the term 'occult' is used every day in hospitals and medical facilities around the world. So are you going to tell us that every hospital, and that every doctor and nurse, is 'satanic'? and ritual and ceremonial magic was integral to their daily life. And so? That doesn't mean they were satanists. The central religious deity the Franks worshipped was the Moon Goddess known to the Romans as Diana, (aka Artemis, Isis, and others). And what is 'satanic' regarding any of the above? The Franks built an underground chamber for the worship of Diana outside the Isle-de-la-Cite. Sacrifices to the Moon Goddess were made here, If true, then they were Dianic, not Satanic... Allegedly a "symbol of Liberty", and a memorial to French servicemen who died in the Second World War, the monument consists of a torch over a black five-pointed star. Those familiar with the occult may be aware that this is not a symbol much associated with liberty. Perhaps not in the strictest sense...but it is definitely NOT 'satanic'...unless you are going to tell us the fifty stars on the U.S. flag are also 'satanic'... The 5-pointed pentagram IS utilized by non-satanic pagans of various flavors when working a 'magic circle'...it is a symbol of power and of protection from negative and evil influences... Satanists -- who are nothing more than Roman Catholics turning their religion inside out and upside down -- usurped the symbol, utilizing a reversed pentagram as a sign to welcome negative and evil forces... But just as the cross has been in use long before Christianity usurped it, just as the swastika was in long use before the German National Socialists adopted a reversed swastika as their national symbol, so too with the symbol of a 5-pointed star long antiquates the modern use by modern satanists... The Moon Goddess is frequently said to be as female energy form And the female energy form equates to 'satanism'how? The latter, Hecate, the Queen of the Underworld, is very heavily associated with occult practices and ritual sacrifice. True. But it has naught to do with satanism. Hecate predates satanism by centuries. "Hecate's Day" is August 13th, Your source for this is? but Satanic rituals, (black as opposed to white magic), to Hecate are better carried out on the 31st, reversal of numerals popular in Satanism. And again, your source for this is...? The underlying contention being that there exists a Satanic group located at the extreme apex of our society, practising ritual magic. We're still waiting for any proof that any of this, even if true, has aught to do with satanism. All the practices you mention, except human sacrafice, are common practices of any number of pagan and wiccan groups...so are you claiming that these groups are the same as satanists? June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.h
[CTRL] SATANISM, MURDER, AND CHILD ABUSE IN IRELAND
SATANISM, MURDER, AND CHILD ABUSE IN IRELAND. THE STORY OF JACQUE This "story" relates to events and discoveries which happened to me between the years 1994 onto the present day. It involves missing persons, Devil worship, Satanic abuse, child abuse, and satanic murders or human sacrifice.Prior to Aug 1994, I lived in the British governed part of Ireland which is known as Northern Ireland or Ulster. I was self-employed in electrical engineering and owned my own property, modest though it may have been. I knew nothing about devil worship, witches, or any connection that they might have to missing people. My only knowledge of witchcraft or anything devilish would have been the Hammer Horror films of the sixties, ie, Dracula and The Wicker Man. One could say that I existed in a world of naivety and ignorance.I lived in an area of South Antrim, in Northern Ireland which was effectively controlled by the loyalist paramilitary group, the UVF. I was surrounded by people who would have been known to be UVF, but I never got involved with them except to be courteous and I tried to keep a safe distance. I had, however, been getting anonomous phone calls for at least 4 years but I put these down to someone that I knew who had UVF links.There was a strange atmosphere around me during the time I lived in this South Antrim village and I remember telling my local "clergyman" that I felt a MALICE was upon me , even though I knew nothing about witchcraft at this stage!On the 12th Aug 1994, I dropped my ex-wife off from my car at her home in Belfast after being out together on a social occasion. I headed off in my car for my home in south Antrim which was about 13 miles away. I turned off the motorway at Templepatrick, the time was around 11.30pm and onto a dark and unlit road. I drove into a trap set up by a loyalist paramilitary group and I have no doubt that this group was the UVF.The first thing I saw was a white van and inside the van was the face of the man I had seen circling my home on the previous day. His face was unmistakeable with his stocky face and heavy black moustache. I immediately turned back onto the motorway hotly pursued by this van and a white car which was moving much faster than the van. There took place a highspeed chase involving myself and mainly the white car. I sped up the completely unlit motorway and I looked around and the white car was in pursuit, but it must have had a problem because I saw its lights dim for lack of power or the car must have been carrying too many persons. I finally reached the next roundabout at Glengormley and I turned off only to be pursued by the white car which drove straight across the roundabout at extremely high speed and exited out the opposite side. At this roundabout, there were some cars even at this late hour .I reported this incident to the local RUC. I requested a police escort to my home in the village so that I could get certain personal belongings. Afterwards I left the RUC patrol and fled the area. Two days later, I drove across the border into the Irish Republic and drove at least 250 miles to the town of Kilkenny, where a friend of my ex-wife lived. I eventually got a house to rent in Kilkenny, and I am living here today.I will not go into the details of everything and every person involved in this area for obvious reasons but I will name the relevant government depts, politicians, police depts, newspaper groups,and welfare groups which are all part ot this saga.In the weeks and months ahead , incredible revelations unfolded and I discovered that a person once close to me had set me up for the murder/abduction attempt in Aug 1994. BUT MUCH WORSE WAS TO UNFOLD THAN SIMPLY A MURDER ATTEMPT, IN THE WEEKS TO FOLLOW.IT became clear that there were other much more sinister motives for this murder attempt. I went on to discover that the person who was once close to me was involved with the IRA and a SATANIC CULT which was masquerading as a pseudo Christian/ religious sect. I will not accuse all of the IRA of being totally involved with this Satanic cult but I will say that some of their members certainly are. That goes for the UVF as well, because the same cult is known to have and had members who are UVF. This is one thing that the IRA and UVF have in common membership of this cult; and this is widely known to Irish journalists.After Aug 1994, a cult member moved into a house beside my home in Kilkenny, and between 1995 and Nov 1997, I was subjected to a reign of Satanic terrors. During that period, I had 3 of my cars smashed up, stolen once, Satanic slogans constantly daubed on my car; and physically attacked one one occasion with a hammer. The local police were constantly at my door because of the attacks on myself and my property. On one occasion,
[CTRL] Satanic Symbolism Surrounding the Death of Princess Diana
Home Satanic Symbolism Surrounding the Death of Princess Diana (I wrote this piece principally from the material presented in David Icke's book "The Biggest Secret". If anyone has more details or insights please mail me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Thanks. Nick) Diana's death following a car accident in the Pont de l'Alma tunnel, in the early morning of August 31st 1997 has raised a few eyebrows among occult groups worldwide. The following has been noted: The city of Paris was founded in the sixth century AD by the Sicambrian Franks, an aryan race of middle-eastern extraction. They were keen followers of occult pracices, and ritual and ceremonial magic was integral to their daily life. They settled first on the island now known as the Isle-de-la-Cite - a place they believed was a major power vortex on the Earth's surface, marked today by the Notre Dame Cathedral, built by the Templars. The central religious deity the Franks worshipped was the Moon Goddess known to the Romans as Diana, (aka Artemis, Isis, and others). The Franks built an underground chamber for the worship of Diana outside the Isle-de-la-Cite. Sacrifices to the Moon Goddess were made here, and the chamber was also used for the settling of certain disputes. The present day location of this underground chamber is...The Pont de l'Alma tunnel. Allusion to this is made in the name, Al-mah meaning the Moon Goddess in the ancient language of the Franks. Furthermore, a bizarre monument was placed outside the tunnel's entrance in the mid-1980's by the Parisian government. Allegedly a "symbol of Liberty", and a memorial to French servicemen who died in the Second World War, the monument consists of a torch over a black five-pointed star. Those familiar with the occult may be aware that this is not a symbol much associated with liberty. The Pont and Place de l'Alma are also the sites of major crossroads in the Parisian street system. The Moon Goddess is frequently said to be as female energy form composed of three aspects, Diana, Luna and Hecate. These represent the energy as manifest on Earth, Heaven and the Underworld. The latter, Hecate, the Queen of the Underworld, is very heavily associated with occult practices and ritual sacrifice. "Hecate's Day" is August 13th, but Satanic rituals, (black as opposed to white magic), to Hecate are better carried out on the 31st, reversal of numerals popular in Satanism. Sacrifices to Hecate are also invariably carried out at crossroads, places symbolic of the meeting of ley lines. Add these observations to the facts that Diana apparently bled to death at the scene of the crash, (absolutely fundamental to such a sacrifice), despite the rapid presence of medics; that the police radio system went off-air for twenty minutes at the time of the accident; that the surveillance camera system monitoring the route the Mercedes took malfuncioned the night of the crash; and that the car crashed into the 13th pillar in the tunnel, (the number 13, along with 33, are the two most powerful numbers in Western occultism) and you have a pretty good conspiracy theory. The underlying contention being that there exists a Satanic group located at the extreme apex of our society, practising ritual magic. To send a comment, click here Home To Post a message, send it to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[CTRL] REPTILIAN ENCOUNTERS IN UTAH - TIME TO KICK ASS by B. Alan Walton
REPTILIAN ENCOUNTERS IN UTAH. TIME TO KICK ASSby B. Alan. WaltonUtah is literally surrounded by underground bases where 'reptilianhumanoids' reportedly have been seen. I will assume that the reader isalready familiar with the reptilian mystery as described in such websites aswww.davidicke.com www.wiolawa.com and www.Reptoids.comOn such sites one will learn about these bases, in this case thosesurrounding the state of Utah on all sides...Burley Idaho to the north, Mt.Teton to the northeast, Denver International Airport to the east, Dulce NewMexico to the southeast, Superstition Mts. near Phoenix Arizona to the Southand Las Vegas, Mercury, Groom Lake Nevada to the west.There has been a great deal written on the reptilians, especially on DavidIcke's reptilian Archives site and these cases are certainly not limited tothe areas mentioned above. This report will deal mainly with the reptilianactivity in Utah, or rather the many stories that I have heard. Whetherthese accounts are based on fact or fancy I will let the readers decide.I was born and lived the early years of my life in the southeast corner ofSalt Lake Valley. Although I have no "conscious" memory, I do have whatmight be called "intuitive" memories in the form of dreams and so on ofbeing involved in some sort of government-alien interaction scenario, sincea child. The gist of the scenario involves underground colonies of humanswho, after entering into territorial treaties with subterran species ofreptilian humanoids, over a period of time became increasingly assimilatedinto a psychic collective which controls the reptilians.These humans are known as the Melchizedeks who apparently have ties with theinner cores of Masonry, Mormonism, the Naga-Mayas of Mt. Shasta, theAgharti-Ashtar collective and native tribes living in a large system ofcaverns. There are even rumors that the lost Israelite tribe of Mannasahresides in this underground realm.My first introduction to the "reptilian" mystery came through mycorrespondence with Tal Le Vesque. Sometime later I began hearing rumors ofrelated activity in Utah. I remember the day when I received a phone callfrom my friend Kaye Studstrup of S.E.Salt Lake City, telling me about whatshe learned from a friend of hers, Irvarene Davis, of West Valley City,Utah. I called and later visited, Mrs Davis in her home and learned thewhole story. I was not surprised to learn that her entire neighborhood hadbeen plagued for years by abduction type phenomena. One of her neighborsspoke of being abducted to an underground city where she met strange humansand brown skinned reptilians. But this was not the story which led me toher.The story involved a young man named peter, the son-in-law of Mrs Davis, whohad just been hired on as a security guard at the Crossroads Mall indowntown Salt lake City. Peter had learned that construction workers diggingout the lower levels of the Mall - where Crossroads Cinemas now lie - hadbroken into some underground tunnels, but never returned, he was told. Whenasking a fellow security guard about his desire to explore the tunnels, hewas told that this would not be wise since he might encounter the "lizardmen" (exact words) and not be allowed to return. This other security guardwas deadly serious.Another Salt Laker, john Todd, recalls the day many years ago when he walkedinto the Crossroads Plaza, only to find a construction area in the lowestlevel where there was a pit-tunnel cordoned off by construction tape. Evercurious, Mr Todd walked apst the barrier and looked down the hole. Suddenlya construction worker appeared and angrily told him to leave the area. MrTodd responded in a friendly fashion and got the man to admit that thetunnel had been penetrated five days earlier, that one of the workers wentdown in it to explore, but in the five days since had not returned... JohnTodd had also worked at the Dugway military base to the west, where he hadmet a man at the tire shop who swore that he had seen 'people' transforminto reptilian humanoids, in the town of Dugway.Kaye Studstrup had introduced me to Dan, a young man whose life was goingwell until he was abducted in City Creek canyon east of Salt Lake City, by a"UFO". he did not remember what took place following his initial encounter -he woke up on the ground in the dead of night - but he did have nightmaresof tall, green-skinned (reptilian?) aliens with dark eyes staring down athim, as if he were on some sort of operating table. Dan became very suicidalafterwards.Kaye Studstrup claims to be part of a hybrid program. As a teen she hadphotographic memory, until the abductions began, following which she hadexperienced nothing but memory problems... almost as if the aliens areintentionally disarming those who might become a threat to them. theevidence suggests that they also use "Montaukian" temporal manipulation tocontrol us, having created numerous temporal even singularities which
[CTRL] OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint
-Caveat Lector- Dear Nessie, When discussing that which goes beyond normality, conventional science is useless. Conventional science is a mental prison. The whole educational system is based on this hoax, and thus the majority of the population in the western civilization knows nothing about the nature of the human spirit, reincarnation, life in this galaxy, etc. Conventional science cannot explain what is gravity, time, space, etc. And the creation of the universe is believed to have happened through a big bang. How primitive can you be? But, as documented by David Icke, our secret government knows the facts quite well. But only for internal use within the ruling circles. In the US, and probably also in the rest of the world, there are black scientific projects, run by the military/CIA/hidden rulers where scientist are held controlled, and killed if they start talking. So the conventional sciences are as much a control mechanisme as is CNN, ABC, CBS, The New York Times, The London Times, Hollywood, your local preacher, etc. And what is written in the textbooks of conventional science, is no argument in this debate. Love, Ole Gerstrom, Copenhagen, Denmark - Original Message - From: nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd) -Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: How do you know that? From a biology text book? Yup. Physics, too. What bogus has David Icke written? See above. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Dear Tenorlove, The private opinion is expressed through the derogatory statement: Give me/us a break! Love, Ole Gerstrom - Original Message - From: Tenorlove [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd) -Caveat Lector- Ole, what is it about John's statement that is "private opinion" rather than fact? Last time I looked, David Icke did indeed claim that the Royals are shape-shifting reptilloids. --- Ole_Gerstrøm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Dear John Szocik, This is a place for facts, raw or refined. If you want to express your private opinions, you can send them to The New York Times or similar. Love, Ole Gerstrom, Copenhagen, Denmark - Original Message - From: John Szocik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd) -Caveat Lector- Is this the same guy,(David Icke) who states that the royal family changes into reptiles at will? Give me/us a break! Sincerely,JOHN A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A
Re: [CTRL] OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Dear Nessie, You wrote: Shape shifting is physically impossible How do you know that? From a biology text book? You wrote: He writes barely passable science fiction mixed with rehashes of old conspiracy stories, some bogus, some true. What bogus has David Icke written? Please be concrete. Unsubstantiated accusations is waste of space in this bandwagon. Love, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark - Original Message - From: nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd) -Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: This is a place for facts, raw or refined That leaves out an awful lot of what Icke says, including his core concept. He writes barely passable science fiction mixed with rehashes of old conspiracy stories, some bogus, some true. Shape shifting is physically impossible. If what he is talking about here is not outright invention on his part (most likely) then, at most, he is describing hallucinations induced by some, probably EM based, mechanism. (See Persinger) But most likely he's just making it up. And for what purpose, besides of course financial gain? (1.) The essence of disinformation is to mix lies in with truth so that the credibility associated with the obvious truth will rub off on the lies. So some of his audience assumes that because some of what he says is true, all of what he says must be true. This is, of course, how stupid people decide what is true or not. But, alas, stupid people abound. (2.) Sci-fi concepts like shape shifting aliens discredits, in the minds of the rest of his audience, the true conspiracy data he mingles with it. It also discredits us, you and me personally, because we take seriously things that are said by a guy who also says other things that are patently absurd. This is not to say that the Queen and her gang are nice people or that the Bushes aren't a crime family. But shape shifting aliens rule the world!?! No way. Identity shifting Aryans, maybe, but isn't that enough? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Dear John Szocik, This is a place for facts, raw or refined. If you want to express your private opinions, you can send them to The New York Times or similar. Love, Ole Gerstrom, Copenhagen, Denmark - Original Message - From: John Szocik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd) -Caveat Lector- Is this the same guy,(David Icke) who states that the royal family changes into reptiles at will? Give me/us a break! Sincerely,JOHN A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Scientists I.D. Christ's fingerprint
-Caveat Lector- NSA wrote: All it really shows, and all she really knows, is how to disseminate lies and disinfo to the subject illiterate cultists, and ill-informed bigots Dear NSA, You never answered this question: Are you a real person, or does NSA represent that infamous american spook organization? Love, Ole Gerstrom, Copenhagen, Denmark A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] (Fwd) - MN: US CO: Black Helicopter Invasion
-Caveat Lector- Dear Amelia, I dont think The Black Helicopters are wasting time and a lot of money. I assume, that their real agenda is to condition the public to accept their hanging around. Then few will notice, when they go into more sinister operations. Love, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark - Original Message - From: Amelia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] (Fwd) - MN: US CO: Black Helicopter Invasion -Caveat Lector- These fly-over searches are routinely done in the area where I live in NE AL. The ones here use a type of infrared scanner to detect the pot because the vegetation is so dense. Interestingly, it is also virtually impossible to tell pot from okra at any distance at all so it is sometimes intermingled. Maybe those folks in Colorado should develop a taste for okra. Also hibiscus has the same leaf pattern. They cannot scan without the help of the sensors here. Isn't this illegal searching? They will hover so low they terrify animals and stir up dust, etc. Having a greenhouse, I seem of particular interest to them. Supposedly, they can detect one plant per acre of vegetation their sensors are so sensitive. What a waste of time/money/effort. Amelia - Original Message - From: "Involuntary" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 10:00 PM Subject: [CTRL] (Fwd) - MN: US CO: Black Helicopter Invasion -Caveat Lector- Forwarded E-Mail Message Sun, 24 Sep 2000 10:36:38 -0700 MN: US CO: Black Helicopter Invasion -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (MAPNews) posted: Newshawk: Colo. Hemp Init. Project http://www.levellers.org/cohip Pubdate: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 Source: Boulder Weekly (CO) Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Address: 690 South Lashley Lane Boulder, CO, 80303 Fax: (303) 494-2585 Website: http://www.boulderweekly.com/ Author: Wayne Laugesen BLACK HELICOPTER INVASION Two black helicopters hovered over Ward last week, terrorizing the townsfolk below. A mass hallucination? Too much ganja? Unfortunately, no. The unmarked helicopters were real and it was, in fact, a government mission to spy on the public. It was invasive and scary. Paranoid Patriots had it right all along: Government really does spy on the public from black helicopters. Only it's not the United Nations working toward a "new world order." Instead, it's your friendly neighborhood cops teaming up with Army troops to look for pot plants. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to
[CTRL] Web Site Posts Secret CIA Papers
-Caveat Lector- Dear Mark, You wrote: . Do any of you believe the CIA would be forthcoming about their operations to a foreign intel agency? Well, the intelligence agencies appear to operate above the national governments. And it has been claimed, that the top brass running the CIA are not all americans. It is also claimed, that british and french intelligence opearate as one organization. Love, Ole Gerstrom, Copenhagen, Denmark - Original Message - From: Mark McHugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Web Site Posts Secret CIA Papers -Caveat Lector- Web Site Posts Secret CIA Papers AP Online Story Filed: Sunday, July 23, 2000 9:01 AM EDT WASHINGTON (AP) -- A private Web site has published a secret CIA overview of the U.S. intelligence community prepared for Japanese intelligence officials who visited the agency's headquarters in 1998. I don't know what the big deal is. Do any of you believe the CIA would be forthcoming about their operations to a foreign intel agency? There's got to be an actual overview classified TS/NOFORN and the show piece classified Secret or even Confidential, though that C wouldn't be so convincing John Young's stuff is at: http://cryptome.org/ -- ´´ Mark McHugh Sapere aude! A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Scientists I.D. Christ's fingerprint - Nonsense of Icke - the Christ Conspiracy
-Caveat Lector- NSA wrote: Au contraire, contraire! Have to agree with J2 "That's because he's an idiot, a liar, and a fool who will make up shit to sell books." Such truly is an appropriate claim for the utter crap peddled by self-proclaimed "son of god" loon David Icke, Dear NSA, You make some wild and crazy accusations against David Icke without any argument or any bit of support facts. Are you a disinformer? Icke is a wise and courageous man. If he has made errors, he would like to be corrected. But what he has contributed, places him among the finest. Are you a real person, or are you a representation of this sinister american organization of spooks? Love, Ole Gerstrom, Copenhagen, Denmark A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Dear Prudy, Yes, there are lots of stories, claimed to be history. And it´s not just an opinion, that the person Jesus did not exist. It is more like a fact. He was invented. Read David Ickes documentation for yourself. Love, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark - Original Message - From: Prudence L. Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] (CTRL) OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd) -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/16/2000 10:11:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - You should read David Ickes documentation in "The Truth Shall Set You Free," stating, that Jesus is not a historical person. Love, Ole Gerstrom, Copenhagen, Denmark Now that's funny. I'll accept the opinion that Jesus never existed, but there seems to be a LOT of history there. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The european common currecy, the euro
The plans for the European Union came orignally from the US, and were launched in Europa in the 1950´es by the french international banker Jean Monnet. In 1988 the unionist decided for to move on the commonn currency, and this was orchestrated from Basel, Switzerland. Here liesBIS,The Bank for International Settlements, which is the central bank of the central banks or The World Fed, as the americans would put it. Every month the heads of the world central banks meet here in Basel, to discus world affairs.The meetings are held with the outmost discretion, because anybody knowing the decisions could make millions and billions on the financial markets. So you never read about BIS in the newspapers. But those who shall know, they will know. In 1990 the common currency got the final push. The Berlin Wall had fallen, and the East- and Westgermans wanted to unite. The German chancellor Kohl was however told, that this would only be allowed if he agreed to leave the german D-mark, and join the common currency. There was much resistance to this in Germany. The D-mark was the basis for the economic miracle, which brought Germany back to life after WW II. The germans clung to the D-mark, but they were forced away. There was not held any referendum about the matter, and today 63% of the population is against the europroject, which will go into its concluding fase in 2002. But here in Denmark there is hope. The danes have been reluctant to the join the European Union fully, and decided in 1992 and 1993to stay out the euro. However the International Bankers did not accept this halfheartedness, and on September 18, we are going to have another referendum, to put Denmark back on the trails. The propaganda has been heavy, and all the major parties (we have 10 parties in Parliament), plus the media have been working hard to ensure a yes to this wonderfull euro. However here on September 17, 2000, Gallup says 38% will vote yes and 44% no! The establishment spokesmen are becoming desperate and are showing stress symptoms. So, there is a good chanche we will beat the international bankers. And this will be a good example for the Swedes and The UK, who will be on next. This will mean, thatnorthern Europe is repelling the international bankers. Love, Ole Gerstrom, Copenhagen, Denmark
[CTRL] (CTRL) OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd)
- You should read David Ickes documentation in "The Truth Shall Set You Free," stating, that Jesus is not a historical person. Love, Ole Gerstrom, Copenhagen, Denmark - Original Message - From: Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 3:55 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] (CTRL) OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd) "Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote: In a message dated 09/14/2000 12:13:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LMFAO!!! Really??? So they have Jesus's print on file to check against?? I suppose it's right next to Huck Finn's and Uriah Heep's.. I have a hard time with the "ornate cups" that are supposed to be the Holy Grail. Christ and disciples had vowed poverty. That they would have gone to a lower class type of restaurant to eat and drink together makes good sense. IF and it is a big IF, the last supper was a Passover meal, then there is no reason that the cup should not be ornate. Jews to this day use ornate cups for religious purposes. Jesus ( not Christ, we are discussing history not fantasy ) and his deciples might have taken a vow of poverty, but he had rich backers and adherents in his movement. Some of the deciples came from rich families, and he had the support of people like Joseph of Arimethea who was wealthy enough to own a family tomb. As for the lower class restaurant, it's possible I guess, but I doubt it. It is far more likely that he and some desciples had Seder with a family in a private home. This " lower class " stuff is mainly being pushed by Crossan who could be quite wrong in his assumptions about Jesus' peasant status. It is highly unlikely that Jesus was illiterate as Crossan claims. It is more likely that he grew up in a middle class (sic) family with a construction business. They probably would have handed a container from hand to hand through the meal. It would have probably been of metal, but it might just as well have been wood. It would not have been ornate. It probably was ornate silver. It boggles the mind to try to picture Christ carrying about an ornate, probably gold, gm encrusted "chalice" to spice up the simple meals that He and His disciples would have shared. A Passover Seder is not a simple meal. It is an elaborate affair with the family's best dishes. As for golden and jewel encrusted, that would depend at whose place he was copping a meal. More likely it is Christian legend depicting the elegance of royalty as befits the King of Kings. I lived in the Middle East, and even the "Upper Room" is still a common phenomenum in restaurants there. It is a place for groups or large families to use. In the grandness that has become the hallmark of most of our Christian faiths, the simplicity of the life Christ chose to live seems to have been lost. Prudy Yeah especially in churches and among the clerical hierarchy. Joshua2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always,
[CTRL] Surveillance of political parties in the EU
The EU sanctions against Austria have been lifted. But what remains is the fact, that now any political uncorrect movement in Europe, is placed under some sort of surveillance. Andthere are indications in the EU-system showing, that this was step 1. of the plan, where later steps wil be, that any political uncorrect movement can be neutralized, if it displeases the hidden powers. Just look at Uberto Bossi, leader of Lega North in Italy. He is speaking out loadly against the international bankers and the masons. He could be marked for termination in the EU-paradise of the faithfull. But of course, surveillance must have its limits. In the European Parliament there have been a proposal to require masons to officially register that membership. That however was voted down. Love, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark Fromhttp://www.independent.co.uk/news/World/Europe/2000-09/haider130900.shtmlHaider all smiles as EU lifts its sanctionsSeven months of diplomatic isolation ends in climbdown after 'wise men' saidrestrictions were fuelling nationalismBy Stephen Castle in Brussels13 September 2000European Governments last night lifted sanctions on Austria, ending sevenmonths of diplomatic isolation despite the continued presence of the far-rightin the Vienna government."The measures put in place by the 14 (states) were useful. They can now belifted," said a joint statement released in Paris by the French presidency ofthe European Union.Because the far right Freedom Party - whose dominant figure is Joerg Haider -remained cause for "serious concern", the statement added, the 14 partnersbelieved it was necessary to maintain "especial vigilance" on both the partyand the influence it exerted on the Austrian ruling coalition.But Denmark's foreign minister, Niels Helveg Petersen, underlined the extent ofthe climbdown by saying the 14 EU countries had agreed the end of sanctionswould not be accompanied by any formal surveillance of Austria.The cave-in, which follows the report of three "wise men" claiming thesanctions were "counter-productive" because they were fuelling nationalism, isan embarrassment for France and Belgium which drove the policy of isolation.Wolfgang Schuessel, the Austrian Chancellor, had rejected any attempt to linkthe restoration of normal links to a new system of monitoring developments inhis country. Yesterday he told a press conference that it was now up to theFrench government, which holds the EU's rotating presidency, "to draw a lineunder this rather sad chapter".Welcoming the agreement, Austria's foreign minister, Benita Ferrero-Waldner,said there would be a complete lifting of the sanctions followed by a review ofmeasures to combat racism and xenophobia throughout the European Union.Mr Haider, infamous for his praise of Nazi employment policies, has resignedthe leadership of the FPO, but is still governor of the Austrian province ofCarinthia and an influential figure in a party which remains part of thegoverning coalition.Over the weekend, Mr Haider taunted the main architect of the sanctions, Frenchpresident Jacques Chirac, saying that the man he has described as a "LitleNapoleon" had finally met his Waterloo.In January, when the new Austrian government was formed, France, Belgium andGermany led the campaign to ostracise Vienna largely because of domesticpolitical sensitivities to the far right. Mr Chirac's brand of Gaullism hasbeen characterised by fierce opposition to France's National Front and Belgiumfaces pressure from the separatist Vlaams Blok.But since January, the row has become a running sore as Vienna hinted it mightblock the EU's next treaty changes, and threatened to hold a plebiscite inAustria on the sanctions imposed by the 14 member states.In fact, the report of the panel of "wise men" set up to examine Austria'shuman rights record and the nature of the Freedom Party left little room formanoeuvre when it gave the government in Vienna a clean bill of health.It called explicitly for the removal of sanctions, arguing that, while they hadserved their purpose by sending a political signal, their continuation would becounter-productive.Significantly, the "wise men", chaired by former Finnish president MarttiAhtisaari, also criticised the Freedom Party for appealing to "xenophobicsentiments" and promoting "openly anti-foreigner" language. That echoed aleaked report from the Council of Europe which emerged last week and which alsomade severe criticism of Mr Haider's party.But the distaste for the FPO in many capitals has not been outweighed byEuropean realpolitik. Those countries which have urged an end to Austria'sisolation range from Italy, which fears it may have to accommodate far-rightparties in its next government, to Denmark, where the EU's
[CTRL] Sv:[CTRL] TWA 800
Dear Michael, This is in line with what the writer Stewart Swerdlow has told me, that at Montauk, Long Island, there is a particle beam weapon, which has been used by the secret US governement to shoot down planes. Love, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark - Original Message - From: Michael Pugliese [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2000 7:17 AM Subject: [CTRL] TWA 800 -- Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 16:55:03 -0500 From: "Steve Perry" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: JFK: The Airport, a film by Oliver Stone For those of you who took any interest in the controversy over TWA 800, there's an interesting piece by Elaine Scarry, the former FAA official, in the latest New York Review of Books. She suggests that the last three major crashes originating at JFK--TWA 800, Swissair 111, and EgyptAir 990--may all have been victims of electromagnetic interference, possibly traceable to military training ops on either side of the jfk flight corridor. One intriguing factoid: The TWA and Swissair flights both left JFK on Wednesday evenings at exactly 8:19 p.m.--making it plausible, Scarry hints, that they were both victims of EMI that had its source in some regularly scheduled military exercise. http://www.nybooks.com/nyrev/index.html -- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Sv: Re: [CTRL] Myth-Logic - Aleksei Romanoff
Dear Aleisha, Thanks for you postings. I appreciate your humor very much! Regarding Aleksei Romanoff, what is your opinion of him? Have you read his claims, that Adolf Hitler was in fact the duke of Clarence, who also was Jack the Ripper? Aleksei Romanoff was also one of the Knights of Malta, and that order is claimed by some, to be in the heart of conspiracy. Nevertheless, I found him to be a fine man. Love, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark - Original Message - From: Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2000 6:59 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Myth-Logic Supposedly the royals in power now, Elizabeth's line, do not carry this disorder. Queen Vicitorias line did..they thought through the marriage into a Spanish line, of royals. So this means Prince William and little Harry do not carry this blood disease. Years ago when I did research into Jack the Ripper found that Queen Victoria;s doctor and hospital, were experimenting with blood transfusions.took blood of lamb for first transfusion and I say Hello Dolly. So it was my theory that the Ripper was actually like a body robber - but they needed blood for transfusions..and as a result certain diseases were also transmitted. Alexi Romanoff - carried the heomophilia - but little Prince William I do not believe he does have this disease. Many people have this disease - for instance, Clinton sold bad blood to Canada and hemophiliacs then got HIV..in USA AIDS becaue blood banks were polluted. So it is not necessarily a royal disease; however there was a royal line, where some of the men had 6 toes on each foot and so, they learned to count to 12 at an early age; and one family alleged to look like fish. So stories of vampires.what were they telling us? Bodies found drained of blood..but no blood at scene of crime. Come to think of it Vince Foster, guess no blood at that scene either - and when you are dead if I am correct, you do not bleed or bruise anymore? Some bloods do not mix. I had a beautiful siamese cat that ran away with an ugle two toned gray cat with one eye.she had kittens, nd one had two headsa throw back to a temple dog like face.she slept on it and killed it, and it ws darling with wrinkled nosesbut I though Siamese Cat and mixed blood with alley cat and comes up with two headed Siamese kitten? What about these little kids who age fast and when 10 look like little old men and women..biological clock runs too fast? But anyway the thought crossed my mind that Jack the Ripper was a doctor allright.and was experimenting with blood transfusions.or the ripper was hired by "body snatchers" like Burke and Hare, for the medical profession would buy cadavers Alnyway Queen Elizabeth her line and children do not carry the hemophillia.Duke of Clarence before he died, looked like he was dying of this wasting disease of the daymight be called AIDS or he had hemophilia and was victim of the hemophilia curse, as they once called it. Interesting subject..wonder if first blood bank was owned and operated by Jack the Ripper, Inc., and maybe that is why the press had a field daysome things never change. A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with
Re: [CTRL] The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
Dear anonymous NSA, You did not answer my question. Instead you go into foul language. And further, you do not even give your name. Love, Ole Gerstrom, Copenhagen, Denmark - Original Message - From: NSA [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Sv: Re: [CTRL] The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion Does your momma suck eggs Ole? I posted it so many times so that for ONCE, it might sink into the paranoid style of mind that, by now any intelligent person ought to know that the Protocols are shear BUNK and SHAM, written most likely, in my personal opinion, by the Vatican and its Jesuit scholars typical of its millennial hate and propaganda against Jews. If half you nit-wits actually bothered to READ this forgery THROUGH - you would NOTE, that the HEROES of the PLOT are the Catholics and Jesuits!!! And amidst the pages of the Elders, these supposed dire-hard anti-Christ Elders tell us that they perceive the Vatican - who raped, pillaged, murdered, and persecuted their race all over the globe, as morally VIRTUOUS!!! Too laughable for any more words really! - Original Message - From: "Ole Gerstrøm" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Sv: Re: [CTRL] The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion Dear NSA, This is the fourth or fifth time you send the same mail. Are you a mason? Love, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark - Original Message - From: NSA [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Sv: Re: [CTRL] The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion The Protocols of the Elders of Zion More than once in the course of the last two centuries, anti-Masonry has been fused with an older hatred, hatred of the Jews, that is to say anti-Semitism. Probably, the irrational nature of both phobias facilitates their juxtaposition. Be that as it may, from the middle of the 19th Century, we are witnessing an increasing wave of simultaneously anti-Semitic and anti-Masonic propaganda. Possibly, the paradigmatic work of this class of "literature" is an opuscule entitled "The Protocols of the Wise Men of Zion" sometimes also known as "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion." This is one of the most well-known literary falsifications in history, based on plagiarism and fraud from the very beginning of its gestation. Nevertheless, this swindle has captivated the imagination of many people who are sensible in other respects, and it has been transformed into the "source of indispensable information" in the baggage of all the anti-Semites and anti-Masons. In this work, we will examine the history of this fraud, will demonstrate its absolute falsification and we will take a look at the lamentable consequences that it has had in modern history, as much of the point of view of the Jewish people, as of Freemasonry. Sources of information In the preparation of this work, I depended mainly on the works of three investigators: Professor Jose Antonio Ferrer Benimeli, who in his book "The Judeo-Masonic-Communist Conspiracy"1 dedicates a long chapter to the subject that occupies us (pp. 135-210); Norman Cohn, author of "Justification for Genocide"2, where it makes a history of the antecedents of the Protocols, its evolution and its consequences; and Herman Bernstein, author of "The truth on the 'Protocols of Zion'"3, where it not only relates the history of the mystification, but reproduces the complete text of the book of Joly (pp. 75-258), the text of the news articles that appeared in the London Times (pp. 259-264), the complete text of the Protocols (pp. 295-359), and other authentic documents. Also, I consulted other works to clarify or to add certain details, as the book "Must men hate?" of the North-American lawyer Sigmund Livingston4, who was the first President of the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai-B'rith, and who in his book adds an interesting personal testimony (pp. 39-49) to the meticulous relation presented by the authors mentioned before. All these works are included in detail in the notes at the end of this work. Antecedents The connection of anti-Masonry and anti-Semitism does not begin with the Protocols. Already on the occasion of the Dreyfus affair, that began in 1894 and continued intermittently until 1906, the French press and also that of other countries5 connected the Judaism of Dreyfus with the Freemasonry of many of his more loyal defenders. Still earlier, Father Agustin Barruel in his "Memory to serve the History of Jacobinism,"6 blamed Freemasonry (confusing it with the Illuminati of Bava
[CTRL] Sv: Re: [CTRL] The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
Dear Tenorlove, So, The Protocols are written by Rosicrusian. But then again I recall having read a claim by David Icke, that The Rosicrusians are a part of the Brotherhood and thus closely related to the Illuminati, if not just a branch of The Illuminati.This makes The Protocols a work of the Illuminati, and "the jewish connection," is simply a way to confuse the public. Love, Ole Gerstrom, Copenhagen, Denmark - Original Message - From: Tenorlove [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion --- Ole_Gerstrøm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some have argued, that it really is the plan of the Illuminati, Not Illuminati. Rosicrucian. They were based on a satirical attack on Napoleon III, called Dialog in Hell between Machiavelli and Montesquieu, by Maurice Joly. Joly was imprisoned for this tract. It was later picked up by people intent on discrediting the esoteric enclave which surrounded Tsar Nicholas II. When that didn't work, one Sergei Nilus re-wrote the piece into its current form. The original upon which the PLEZ was based was first published in 1884, thirteen years before the Zionist Congress in Basle from which the Protocols allegedly issued. And the original satire was written in French. The Basle conference did not include any French delegates. Why Rosicrucian? Joly was allegedly a Rosicrucian. He was also a close friend of Victor Hugo. Hugo exhibited Rosicrucian tendencies in his writings, and was allegedly a Grand Master of the Priory of Sion, a Rosicrucian-type secret society. Even AMORC, the modern Rosicrucian organization based in California, lists Hugo as a "Rosicrucian." Questions? Let me know, time to leave for work. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
