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Subject: [U-S-A] Re: [EndingPoverty] MEDIA RELEASE:  Separation of Church
and State is BUNK SEE the US Constitution

By Constitution, Canada ...is founded upon principles that recognize the
supremacy of God. Judge FE Howard told POC Director Watson when he went
before her that the Supremacy of God Clause as she called it refers to
our highest principles and practices (from Atheist to Zoroastrian).

Applying those highest principles and practices what is the best that the
Whitehouse faith-based works can give the world at Canada's Intellectual
Olympics in 2006? Tell the world about a model city-built-anew in YOUR
JesusLand U-S-A and give the world a laugh, President Bush.

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[CTRL] Fascist Fred Hutter Endorses Rape of Undeserving Poor Women

-Caveat Lector-

On Sun, 5 Dec 2004, elvira52 wrote:

 It has been acceptable all through history to hate and scapegoat this kind
 of person or that. Today only the UNDESERVING POOR can be hated by the
 Freddies.

 This I think Is Sad it's time for Good change and Freddies can do it we have 
 many here they really don't think they can change they have done so much 
 wrong but I don't feel that way I believe many of then can let's just see. I 
 sent this to one that I know he can do it and in My Heart I know he will 
 right Mr. M.


It was Fred Hutter who gave us the deserving vs. undeserving poor
distinction when he emerged from under his favourite slimy rock as an
apologist for Premier Campbell.

Now have a look at the human rights links to the POC URL below. Some of
our complainants are women. One woman for example said she had been
threatened with a disconinuance of IA if she did not file a tax return
(though her physical handicap made that very difficult and she had no
income outside IA). Another woman said she was threatened with
discontinuance of IA if she did not go back to school.

IA Discontinuance - Eviction + Homelessness

What do women imagine when they are threatened with homelessness?

RAPE

There are at least 20 men sleeping on the streets of Vancouver for every
woman. Rape is obviously a high risk and this government of Martin,
Campbell and Campbell either knows it or should know it.


So why not the rape rooms that President Bush harangues the world about,
Fred Hutter? Rape rooms for women victims of the Martin-Campbell-Campbell
gestapo; cruel and unusual punishment for women who have committed
neither crime nor misdemeanour.

This is Canadian Justice.

 Peace

Not for long if this garbage regime of Libertarian-Fascists keeps going.
It was to rid the world of this kind of tyranny that we lost so many
of our relatives through the last century and we will carry forward their
war against tyranny and injustice as is necessary.

Until then I fly my Canadian flag upside down with a swastika on it.

Z

 Elvira
   - Original Message -
   From: Party of Citizens
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 8:27 PM
   Subject: Re: Hu [INGRAM] Is Fred Hutter a Fascist?


if it wasn't for the war issue I would ask is this not like America sounds
like America the way they treat people I say to myself there has to be a
Place they doesn't have this problem. I know America has it because of
slave labor they don't like to help people understand each other it's seem
America love to teach Hate!

   It has been acceptable all through history to hate and scapegoat this kind
   of person or that. Today only the UNDESERVING POOR can be hated by the
   Freddies.

   POC

   not America but the people in charge!?.
   
   
The World needs Good Change if we stay on this path in the end like many
from the past has lived to regret their action this we must all remember
in making discussion witch affect others.
   
I bet if my Grandparents was alive they would have done many things
differently why not do something great in life for all people.
   
   
Try it You just may like it...if the shoe fit.
   
   
Peace
   
Elvira
  - Original Message -
  From: Party of Citizens
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 6:59 PM
  Subject: [INGRAM] Is Fred Hutter a Fascist?
   
   
  What is YOUR answer, Fred?
   
  POC
   
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  Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 15:53:39 -0800 (PST)
  From: Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Cc: Carnegie Newsletter [EMAIL PROTECTED],
   [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: [UNIVERSALHUMANRIGHTS] Extra-Judicial Execution in BC
   
   
  Dear Mr. Hawes:
   
  Further to your exchange with McDaniels in Carnegie Newsletter of Dec.
  1/04, and the page 6 article titled FASCISM may we ask you one
question?
  The article on Fascism says that in 1939 anti-social elements were
  registered for the purposes of forced labour. But with poor
anti-social
  elements like political dissidents, you can only apply effective
  punishment by using corporal punishment. Otherwise they have no
  material assets to take away as punishment. Thus comply or die
  effectively becomes the slogan of Fascist forced labour.
   
  TRUE OR FALSE, Mr. Hawes:
   
  The street is systematically used by government as an instrument of
  torture and extra-judicial execution for anti-social elements in BC
  according to an implicit comply or die policy in the interest of forced
  labour.
   
  A straight-forward question. All you have to do is reply: false,
  outlandish etc. Or will your silence reveal the correct answer?
   
  POC
   
http

Re: [CTRL] [INGRAM] Fascist Fred Hutter Endorses Rape of Undeserving PoorWomen

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 Saying that Fred Hutter condones rape is an extremely silly statement


Veritas odium parit. Fred Hutter gave us the distinction between
deserving and undeserving poor and it underpins the
Campbell-Martin-MHR gestapo.

The undeserving poor, including undeserving poor women are threatened with
being put out on the street and ARE put out on the street. THAT IS TRUE.


YOU TELL US - WHAT IS LIKELY TO HAPPEN TO WOMEN SLEEPING IN ALLEYS?


Just answer that because as far as Fred, Campbell and Martin are
concerned, that is what those undeserving poor women deserve!

 and
 likely libelous if he didn't have a sense of humour.

Oh PUASE ... sue POC, Fred. Make our day

 You are going overboard, much as Kevin Annett does over Chief Ed John.

Veritas odium parit.

 You have really good stuff which becomes redundant and suspect when you
 come out with statements which are highly unlikely.

Answer the question above and that will tell us all about LIKELIHOOD.

But Fred is a cowardly fascist who has crawled back under his rock with
Premier Creepy Campbell and PM Creepy Martin.

 ingram

Zandu Goldbar
Learned Elder of Zion and POC Financier
$$$

 - Original Message -
 From: Party of Citizens
 To: elvira52
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ;
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ;
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ;
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 11:21 AM
 Subject: [INGRAM] Fascist Fred Hutter Endorses Rape of Undeserving Poor
 Women


 On Sun, 5 Dec 2004, elvira52 wrote:

 It has been acceptable all through history to hate and scapegoat this
 kind
 of person or that. Today only the UNDESERVING POOR can be hated by the
 Freddies.

 This I think Is Sad it's time for Good change and Freddies can do it we
 have many here they really don't think they can change they have done so
 much wrong but I don't feel that way I believe many of then can let's
 just see. I sent this to one that I know he can do it and in My Heart I
 know he will right Mr. M.


 It was Fred Hutter who gave us the deserving vs. undeserving poor
 distinction when he emerged from under his favourite slimy rock as an
 apologist for Premier Campbell.

 Now have a look at the human rights links to the POC URL below. Some of
 our complainants are women. One woman for example said she had been
 threatened with a disconinuance of IA if she did not file a tax return
 (though her physical handicap made that very difficult and she had no
 income outside IA). Another woman said she was threatened with
 discontinuance of IA if she did not go back to school.

 IA Discontinuance - Eviction + Homelessness

 What do women imagine when they are threatened with homelessness?

 RAPE

 There are at least 20 men sleeping on the streets of Vancouver for every
 woman. Rape is obviously a high risk and this government of Martin,
 Campbell and Campbell either knows it or should know it.


 So why not the rape rooms that President Bush harangues the world about,
 Fred Hutter? Rape rooms for women victims of the Martin-Campbell-Campbell
 gestapo; cruel and unusual punishment for women who have committed
 neither crime nor misdemeanour.

 This is Canadian Justice.

 Peace

 Not for long if this garbage regime of Libertarian-Fascists keeps going.
 It was to rid the world of this kind of tyranny that we lost so many
 of our relatives through the last century and we will carry forward their
 war against tyranny and injustice as is necessary.

 Until then I fly my Canadian flag upside down with a swastika on it.

 Z

 Elvira
   - Original Message -
   From: Party of Citizens
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 8:27 PM
   Subject: Re: Hu [INGRAM] Is Fred Hutter a Fascist?


if it wasn't for the war issue I would ask is this not like America
 sounds
like America the way they treat people I say to myself there has to
 be a
Place they doesn't have this problem. I know America has it because
 of
slave labor they don't like to help people understand each other
 it's seem
America love to teach Hate!

   It has been acceptable all through history to hate and scapegoat this
 kind
   of person or that. Today only the UNDESERVING POOR can be hated by the
   Freddies.

   POC

   not America but the people in charge!?.
   
   
The World needs Good Change if we stay on this path in the end like
 many
from the past has lived to regret their action this we must all
 remember
in making discussion witch affect others.
   
I bet if my Grandparents was alive they would have done many things
differently why not do something great in life for all people.
   
   
Try it You just may like it...if the shoe fit

[CTRL] RAPE OF WOMEN: Used by Martin-Campbell for public governance

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Dear Status of Women Canada:

Reason it out. What is the likelihood of a woman forced to sleep on the
streets being raped? HIGH. Scores of street women in DTES, Vancouver,
were raped and murdered in the pig farm case.

Every day, the women of BC are threatened with homelessness by this
government, knowing that this will TERRORIZE them as they conjure up
justified images of the horror which sleeping on the street will bring,
especially the likelihood of rape.

Martin and Campbell either know that or should know it.

How then can anyone deny that they are using rape for governance?

POC

  http://www.geocities.com/partyofcitizens
  Citizens for the inherent dignity and worth of the human person
  Quoted words from UDHR/CAT

On Mon, 6 Dec 2004, Party of Citizens wrote:

  Saying that Fred Hutter condones rape is an extremely silly statement


 Veritas odium parit. Fred Hutter gave us the distinction between
 deserving and undeserving poor and it underpins the
 Campbell-Martin-MHR gestapo.

 The undeserving poor, including undeserving poor women are threatened with
 being put out on the street and ARE put out on the street. THAT IS TRUE.

 
 YOU TELL US - WHAT IS LIKELY TO HAPPEN TO WOMEN SLEEPING IN ALLEYS?
 

 Just answer that because as far as Fred, Campbell and Martin are
 concerned, that is what those undeserving poor women deserve!

  and
  likely libelous if he didn't have a sense of humour.

 Oh PUASE ... sue POC, Fred. Make our day
 
  You are going overboard, much as Kevin Annett does over Chief Ed John.

 Veritas odium parit.

  You have really good stuff which becomes redundant and suspect when you
  come out with statements which are highly unlikely.

 Answer the question above and that will tell us all about LIKELIHOOD.

 But Fred is a cowardly fascist who has crawled back under his rock with
 Premier Creepy Campbell and PM Creepy Martin.

  ingram

 Zandu Goldbar
 Learned Elder of Zion and POC Financier
 $$$

  - Original Message -
  From: Party of Citizens
  To: elvira52
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ;
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ;
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ;
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 11:21 AM
  Subject: [INGRAM] Fascist Fred Hutter Endorses Rape of Undeserving Poor
  Women
 
 
  On Sun, 5 Dec 2004, elvira52 wrote:
 
  It has been acceptable all through history to hate and scapegoat this
  kind
  of person or that. Today only the UNDESERVING POOR can be hated by the
  Freddies.
 
  This I think Is Sad it's time for Good change and Freddies can do it we
  have many here they really don't think they can change they have done so
  much wrong but I don't feel that way I believe many of then can let's
  just see. I sent this to one that I know he can do it and in My Heart I
  know he will right Mr. M.
 
 
  It was Fred Hutter who gave us the deserving vs. undeserving poor
  distinction when he emerged from under his favourite slimy rock as an
  apologist for Premier Campbell.
 
  Now have a look at the human rights links to the POC URL below. Some of
  our complainants are women. One woman for example said she had been
  threatened with a disconinuance of IA if she did not file a tax return
  (though her physical handicap made that very difficult and she had no
  income outside IA). Another woman said she was threatened with
  discontinuance of IA if she did not go back to school.
 
  IA Discontinuance - Eviction + Homelessness
 
  What do women imagine when they are threatened with homelessness?
 
  RAPE
 
  There are at least 20 men sleeping on the streets of Vancouver for every
  woman. Rape is obviously a high risk and this government of Martin,
  Campbell and Campbell either knows it or should know it.
 
 
  So why not the rape rooms that President Bush harangues the world about,
  Fred Hutter? Rape rooms for women victims of the Martin-Campbell-Campbell
  gestapo; cruel and unusual punishment for women who have committed
  neither crime nor misdemeanour.
 
  This is Canadian Justice.
 
  Peace
 
  Not for long if this garbage regime of Libertarian-Fascists keeps going.
  It was to rid the world of this kind of tyranny that we lost so many
  of our relatives through the last century and we will carry forward their
  war against tyranny and injustice as is necessary.
 
  Until then I fly my Canadian flag upside down with a swastika on it.
 
  Z
 
  Elvira
- Original Message -
From: Party of Citizens
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: Hu [INGRAM] Is Fred Hutter a Fascist?
 
 
 if it wasn't for the war issue I would ask is this not like America
  sounds

[CTRL] [Zionist] Israelite? Prove it! (fwd)

2004-12-05 Thread Party of Citizens

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Subject: [Zionist] Israelite? Prove it!

Submit the conceptual plans for a City of G-d to WUF V in Vancouver in
2006.

Z

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[CTRL] [SUPERWHITE-SUPREMIST] Re: Fw: Re: JEWS JUBILANT ABOUT ATTACKING JESUS CHRIST- Denver Christmas parade bans Christian Float as politically incorrect (fwd)

2004-12-04 Thread Party of Citizens

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Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 10:40:19 -0800 (PST)
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To: RicNiemela [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: [SUPERWHITE-SUPREMIST] Re: Fw: Re: JEWS JUBILANT ABOUT ATTACKING
JESUS CHRIST- Denver  Christmas parade bans Christian Float as politically
incorrect

The Jews are powerless against the King of the Jews. But Christianity
Today is a cult of liars and the grand-daddy of all liars, JKKK should be
its next pope.

Zandu Goldbar
$
LEZ

  http://www.geocities.com/partyofcitizens
  Citizens for the inherent dignity and worth of the human person
  Quoted words from UDHR/CAT

On Fri, 3 Dec 2004, RicNiemela wrote:

 This is for all of those who have some affinity for the JewsIt is best
 that you make your choices now, because a time is coming when those joined
 unto them will also suffer the same fate that these Tares will be subject
 to, when He sends in the angels to remove them...See Matthew 13JRN
 Note: If you wish to be removed from this list, please advise and you will
 be taken off...
 - Original Message -
 From: John Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: John Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 6:37 PM
 Subject: Fw: Re: JEWS JUBILANT ABOUT ATTACKING JESUS CHRIST- Denver
 Christmas parade bans Christian Float as politically incorrect

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 is
  not just a step up from judgement. In life's curriculum, it is the
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  of judgement. Through judgement a man reveals what he needs to confront
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  learn. Through discernment, one reveals what he has mastered.   Quote
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   Starting to sound and and look like, Communist Russia more and more.
   I wonder who was running the show in Communist Russia...???

   From: Hank Roelofs [EMAIL PROTECTED]

   - Original Message -
   From: bill apple [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 9:48 PM
   Subject: JEWS JUBILANT ABOUT ATTACKING JESUS CHRIST

   JEWS JUBILANT ABOUT ATTACKING JESUS CHRIST

   In the latest skirmish over Christmas in America, a Christian group
   is not allowed to participate in Denver's annual Parade of Lights,
   because church members sought to sing yuletide hymns and proclaim a
   Merry Christmas message on their float, as Jews don't like.

   However, the event, now in its 30th year, will include Queer
   American Indians, Kung Fu artisans, belly dancers and, of course,
   Santa Claus.

   I think there's an agenda that is pro-Jew and anti-Christian,
   Pastor George Morrison, tells Christians. It seems like this
   agenda has crept in, and it's robbing us.

   Morrison heads the Faith Bible Chapel in Arvada, Colo., among
   Denver's largest evangelical churches with over 4,000 attendees
   each week.

   The parade, slated for tomorrow and Saturday nights, is produced by
   Denver Civic Ventures, Inc., with heavy promotion by its flagship
   sponsor, KUSA-TV, the local Jew-NBC affiliate.

   The hour-long event features highly decorated floats with symbols
   of the holiday season such as Santa Claus, gingerbread houses and
   toy soldiers, along with what's billed as an international
   procession to celebrate the cultural and ethnic diversity of the
   region, according to its website.

   Santa Claus float called one of the 'most anticipated moments' in
   Denver's Parade of Lights (KUSA-TV)

   Among those allowed to participate is the Two Spirit Society of
   Denver, a support group for American Indians who are Queer,
   perverted, bisexual, or transgendered, honoring them as which Jews
   want as holy people.

   Also included are performers of the Lion Dance, a Chinese New Year
   tradition meant to chase away evil spirits and welcome good luck
   and good fortune for the year, reports the Rocky Mountain News.

   Despite the inclusion of these groups with spiritual connotations,
   parade spokesman Michael Krikorian said the event does not allow
   direct religious themes. Included in the ban are signs that read
   Merry Christmas and the singing or playing of Christmas hymns.

   We want to avoid that specific religious message out of respect
   for other religions in the region, Krikorian told the News. It
   could be construed as disrespectful to other people who enjoy a
   parade each year.

   He notes the church group was informed of the policy last spring
   when it first inquired about participation.

   Pastor George Morrison

   I

[CTRL] [WORLD_URBAN_FORUM_VANCOUVER] Elvira's City ... No Homelessness (fwd)

2004-12-04 Thread Party of Citizens

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Subject: [WORLD_URBAN_FORUM_VANCOUVER] Elvira's City ... No Homelessness

Gosh, my mouse ears are turning pink. Thank you for the compliment. Since
you have experienced homelessness, let's talk about Elvira's City in which
nobody will be homeless. In other words, one of the slogans will be:

NOBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO SLEEP ON THE STREET AND NOBODY IS REQUIRED TO
SLEEP ON THE STREET.

Here in BC, Prime Minister Martin, Mayor Campbell and Premier Campbell use
the street as a systematic instrument for torture and murder. But the next
time they try to torture one of the POC'sters to death for taking a stand
on Charter rights and human rights we are going to film it. Justice must
be SEEN to be done. So let's have Peter Mansbridge, quintessential male
media whore of CBC TV do the filming.

Now for the details on what police or others do in Elvira's City when they
find a person sleeping on the street which means dying on the street. How
do we work out the details of this?

IT IS SOLVEABLE and WE WILL SOLVE IT RIGHT HERE.

I have cc'd some CMHC people (sort of Canada's HUD). Can you copy in some
HUD as well?

There will be thousands at WUF Vancouver in 2006 from all over the world.
Martin, Campbell and Campbell have a choice. They can put forward Elvira's
City as a remedy or they can show The Great Canadian Snuff Film on how
to torture an innocent person to death, the Canadian way.

Z

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Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 12:20:38 -0500
From: elvira52 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [INGRAM] RE: [Biofuel] Alternative Cities Footprint

Oh How I miss you,

Keep up the good work for there's not many like you I love you for that.

E
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  Subject: [INGRAM] RE: [Biofuel] Alternative Cities Footprint

  Cities-built-anew are conceptualized first and all citizens can be players
  at this level. It will be interesting to see what sort of conceptual plans
  are presented for WUF V in 2006.

  http://www.geocities.com/WORLD_URBAN_FORUM_VANCOUVER

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   Of MH
   Sent: 20 November 2004 16:59
   Subject: [Biofuel] Alternative Cities Footprint

   SNIP

A British environmental group BioRegional is being credited
for laying the foundations for this novel way of living.
It pioneered the ''BedZed'' community in south London,

   I have known Poran Desai from BioRegional Development group for some
   years.  I've been to visit BedZed site a year or two back.  A very
   impressive, fine working example of how housing can be made much more
   sustainable in a manner not too radical for current western 'tastes'.
   Bioregional have been involved in quite a few interesting projects over
   the years, sustainable local charcoal to national DIY chain, local paper
   recycling, hemp fibre use research and development.  All interesting
   stuff - try a web search for bioregional development group and/or
   bedzed.  The bedzed site uses woodchip gas to run a petrol CHP plant
   that along with solar on site provides power for the whole estate with
   the excess being sold to the grid.  Private car use is dissuaded by
   minimal parking availability, a car club is run on the estate and there
   were also EVs.  I recently noticed on their site that Pooran had got
   himself a diesel powered sports car and run on biodiesel down to the
   proposed Portugal site.

where houses, for instance, were built to meet new
environment-friendly standards, including the
complete use of renewable energy for power and heating.

In addition to Portugal, other areas in Europe, Australia,
Britain, the United States and South Africa have been
identified to create these communities as part

[CTRL] [Fwd: [WORLD_URBAN_FORUM_VANCOUVER] Tucker v Canada's Bimbo Savant]

2004-12-03 Thread Party of Citizens

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Subject: [WORLD_URBAN_FORUM_VANCOUVER] Tucker v Canada's Bimbo Savant
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Half the time we don't know what Carolyn Parrish is saying and the other
half of the time we are astonished by her political acumen.

Now as for the smart Canadians going states-side, that was a low blow,
Tucker. There are ~1,000,000 Canadian-Americans and ~1,000,000
American-Canadians.

But let's have a contest for WUF Vancouver which will be attended by
thousands of global citizens in 2006. BC has a precedent in the way of a
city-built-anew. Bamberton, launched under the government of Premier
Harcourt, has been put on the back burner but it gives us a precedent.

So let's have a contest to design a city-built-anew for ~1,000,000 North
American citizens and we'll see who has the smarter citizens.

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[CTRL] [LOGES-DE-CORBEAUX] Re: Are Christians To Blame For America's Moral Freefall? (fwd)

2004-11-26 Thread Party of Citizens

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Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 11:08:58 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: [LOGES-DE-CORBEAUX] Re: Are Christians To Blame For America's
Moral Freefall?

Right after the election, various tv channels jokingly depicted two
nations in North America ... JesusLand and the US of Canada. But they
forgot Loges-de-Corbeaux, forever free.

Do so-called Christians even know what JesusLand would be like? Suppose
King Zandu I of Loges-de-Corbeaux were to send a missionary into deepest,
darkest JesusLand? What would the missionary report back? What would an
exemplary city in JesusLand be like?

See http://www.geocities.com/WORLD_URBAN_FORUM_VANCOUVER

POC

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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004, beavercole wrote:

 http://www.newswithviews.com/Ohara/debbie32.htm

 --

   Additional Titles

   Other
   O'Hara
   Articles:

   The Fraud of Multiculturalism

   Christianity verses Psychology

   Can America Become a Godly Nation Again?

   The United Nation's Plan for World Peace

   Should We Have Government Schools?

   Separation of Marriage and State

   O, Christians,
   Awake

   An Open Letter
   To Pastors

   More
   O'Hara
   Articles:

  ARE CHRISTIANS TO BLAME FOR AMERICA'S MORAL FREEFALL?

   By Debbie O'Hara
   November 13, 2004
   NewsWithViews.com

   While the recent election results were certainly no surprise, they were 
 very disappointing to those like me who have prayed that American Christians 
 would arise from their slumber. The fault for returning the same socialist 
 sovereignty destroying President, Congress and Senate to office, who are not 
 only intentionally destroying the economy and moral fabric of our own country 
 but making us hated by the rest of the world, lies at the feet of Christians. 
 As Christ's representatives in the world, if we don't feel obligated to stand 
 against the tide of evil, who will? There are tens of millions of people in 
 America who call themselves Christian and yet because of their wrong 
 response, or in many cases their failure to respond in the last national 
 election, these United States will continue unabated in a moral freefall.

   There have been numerous columns written by myself and others that 
 address Christians who support putting evildoers into office that they think 
 might do less evil than the next guy. The purpose of this column is not to 
 address the unbiblical stand of the lessers again, but to address those who 
 feel that worldly politics is not the proper place for a Christian at all. 
 The tens of millions of Christian men and women in America who do not 
 exercise their right to vote must understand that they directly affect the 
 outcome of each election by putting unclean men into office.

   From all around the country I get e-mail from godly men and women who 
 say that Christians should not vote or have anything to do with worldly 
 politics because we can't serve two masters and human government is 
 evil. But is involving ourselves in government policy really serving two 
 masters and is human government intrinsically evil? While certainly many 
 people who respond in such a manner are sincere, well-meaning Christian 
 brothers and sisters, they are terribly misguided and cannot back up their 
 claims biblically.

   Scripture must always be our final authority on any matter if one is to 
 truly be called a Christian. When the whole of Scripture is taken together 
 and in context (as ALL of Scripture is given for our edification), the 
 Christian should feel duty bound to represent the cause of Christ in ALL of 
 life. This includes the Divine institution of human government, for God 
 Himself did in fact ordain it.

   While it is man's fall into sin that made human government necessary, 
 human government is not in itself an evil institution. While I can 
 understand how a non-Christian might view human government as intrinsically 
 evil, a Christian certainly cannot accept that view. Human government is an 
 institution ordained of God (Romans 13:1) As God is not the author of evil, 
 the institution of government itself cannot be evil. Government is to be the 
 minister of God to us for good. (Romans 13:4). If government is not good 
 perhaps it is because the good refuse to participate and so we get the 
 government that we deserve.

   It is God who raises kings up and puts them down

[CTRL] Conspiring Against the Higher Ed Status Quo

2004-11-25 Thread Party of Citizens

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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 13:12:05 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: [IMP] Ubiquitous Computing as a Poverty Solution

Does higher education end poverty for those who have the
willingness-motivation to achieve it? If so, ubiquitous computing combined
with this kind of courseware is a remedy.

Z

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-- Forwarded message --
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 13:06:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [MIT-OpenCourseWare-Discussion] Standardizing College Computing
Courses

POC has discussed with a prof at BCIT who teaches Intro CS, the problem of
standardization. Surprisingly, there is little or no standardization even
between BC colleges and universities.

Why not anchor the global system of computing education with an MIT OCW
course which is ALSO EXPLICITLY TAUGHT ONLINE?

Profs from around the world could add units to it as it proceeds if they
think MIT's OCW is lacking in any way.

What we would end up with is a course which is tranferrable anywhere on
the planet, also free; also with its monologues and dialogues on web site
and email list archives and 24/7 ongoing student-faculty participation.

Isn't that ultimately your objective?

POC

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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:27:37 -0800 (PST)
From: Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: Jon Paul Potts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MIT-OpenCourseWare-Discussion] The MIT OpenCourseWare Update
-- Vol. 2, Issue 11 (fwd)

  http://www.geocities.com/partyofcitizens
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, Jon Paul Potts wrote:

 Dear Sir or Madam,

 I am not quite sure what you are driving at here, but yes, we do have
 examples of real people who have used MIT OpenCourseWare materials to
 educate themselves about a particular subject.

Thank you for your reply, Mr. Potts. POC platform includes the Michael
Sayler philanthropic ideal of a free ivy-league quality education for all
who are qualified and motivated, irrespective of ability to pay. President
Vest appeared on Charlie Rose in 2001 to say that the difference between
Sayler and MIT was that MIT was going to make this plan a reality.

What I am getting at is that OCW is of no value unless it translates into
actual educational benefit to the student and we have not yet seen the
evidence for this. Until we see it, the MIT program looks like a $100m.
boongoggle, ie a delaying of free courseware to the world which creates
the illusion of a benefit.

It seems to me MIT has been hedging on saying that OCW's objective is to
TEACH the courses. But unless they have that result, they are useless.

Let's face it. Most college teachers around the world do not need MIT
course materials. The prof teaching Intro Computing at UBC or BCIT would
be insulted by the suggestion that he must go to MIT to find out how to
provide the right collection of course materials. Thus the proof that MIT
is delivering where Sayler faltered is in actual students who have
learned, let us say Intro Computing from MIT's OCW.

 However, we are not at
 liberty to be sharing individual stories without their permission.

Certainly that is so. But you can ask them for permission and I expect
most will gladly come forward and give their testimonials online. Perhaps
that can be a follow-up story for David Diamond, Wired staff writer who is
on the MIT- list.

Would you be willing to ask them to subscribe to the MIT- list and share
their experiences? They will be well received. POC has no complaint
whatsoever if MIT is getting to this stage. Quite the contrary. We would
also want to not redo courses you have already succeeded in getting to
that end stage. For example if you follow our links you will see that
are putting a course comparable to BCIT's Intro Computing on web sites. If
MIT has done it, we have to rethink future practices. We might play a more
supporting role, eg by tutoring students taking the course through OCW.

Please let us know.

 We envision many different uses of MIT OCW. Faculty may adapt
 materials for their own courses, and students or individual learners
 may supplement their other learning resources with MIT OCW materials.
 We are certain users will find innovative ways that we have not yet
 thought of to take advantage of MIT OCW.

The public has President Vest's statement on PBS as well as Dean
Magnanti's statement about reinventing teaching

[CTRL] Fw: [LOGES-DE-CORBEAUX] Re: Security and the Canadian Constitution

2004-11-15 Thread Party of Citizens

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 Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 10:24 PM
 Subject: [LOGES-DE-CORBEAUX] Re: Security and the Canadian Constitution
   As an afterthought, try this approach. Start with WHAT IF  What if
this is correct? Create an image of what it means for Canada in the longer
term if it is true that innocent citizens are being subjected to cruel and
unusual, even torturous and murderous, treatment on a daily basis, whatever
the excuses or rationalizations. Then ask yourself if you can afford to be
wrong in your assessment of the validity of that image.
 
   Z
 
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 Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 5:00 PM
 Subject: Security and the Canadian Constitution
 
 
 Dear Prime Minister Martin:
 
 You gave a speech to the Haitians about security. Let me give a
speech to Canadians about security and the Canadian Constitution (Charter,
Seection 7).
 
 (1) Every day in the name of social security, thousands of
Canadians from sea to sea are subjected to CRUEL AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT by
human resource ministries. In some cases the punishment could even be called
torturous and murderous.
 
 (2) The administration of this punishment is done in SECRECY or
SEMI-SECRECY. When judges in coutrooms administer punishment lawfully, the
courts are usually open to the public and various other means are used to
make sure that justice is not only done but seen to be done. Human resource
ministries like that of Premier Campbell flee this openness as a cockroach
flees the light.
 
 The various Charter sections on Legal Rights are not afforded these
Canadians which is of course a violation of their Charter-enshrined right to
be protected by the rule of law. Innocent until proven guilty? These
citizens are subjected to the cruel and unusual punishment above and
innocence or guilt is irrelevant. The right to trial by judge and jury
before punishment? Forget it. There is no trial, no judge, no defending
attorney. The purpose of secrecy is to sustain these hateful and illegal
practices which shatter the very idea that ordinary Canadians could have
inherent dignity and worth.
 
 (3) The secrecy and cruel and unusual punishment of this regimen are
used for IDEOLOGICAL purposes, in support of a social-political agenda. Now
whose agenda do you suppose that is? It is not the agenda of ordinary
Canadian citizens because it violates their Constitution in a multitude of
ways and destroys their social security.
 
 *
 
 These descriptions above set out three defining characteristics of a
gestapo: (1) cruel and unusual punishment; (2) secrecy or semi-secrecy; (3)
ideological purpose.
 
 Gestapo is one of those imported words like kimono and both have been
adapted to our culture. To know if either fits the circumstances after
adaptation, one must examine the defining characteristics, expecting that
the original or prototype will be modified in form but not in essence.
Canadians now have a gestapo from sea to sea, destroying their social
security. If you see it otherwise, then give your defining characteristics
for a gestapo.
 
 *
 
 Z
 
 
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[CTRL] Fw: [FUTURE-CITIES] Future Urban Transport

2004-11-13 Thread Party of Citizens

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  Citizens 
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  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 12:37 PM
  Subject: [FUTURE-CITIES] Future Urban Transport

  Discovery TV on Nov 11/04... a breath of 
  fresh air in urban planning. Palle Jensen of Denmark has invented "Urban 
  Flexible Transportation". He has adapted a standard car to become an electric 
  vehicle which can do up to 150 km/hr. and can run either autonomously or on a 
  monorail with other UFTs in a train. It ha standard rubber wheels. One 
  car/second can get onto the monorail which also recharges the EV. The first 
  demo track is being built in Calcutta.

  So there it is: future urban transport with 
  little or no pollution, little or no traffic congestion and few or 
  notraffic accidents.

  Now who do you think muzzled Ralph "Unsafe at any 
  Speed" Nader and kept him from using planks like this in his platform? Or was 
  it his own stupidity?

  Z

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[CTRL] Veteran's Day and the Canadian Gestapo

2004-11-11 Thread Party of Citizens

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Subject: [First_Nations_Skyvillage] [CRUEL-AND-UNUSUAL-PUNISHMENT]
Upside-Down-Swastika-Canadian-Flag and Harvey Overfed. (fwd)

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Subject: [CRUEL-AND-UNUSUAL-PUNISHMENT] Upside-Down-Swastika-Canadian-Flag
and Harvey Overfed.

Or ... WHAT IS A GESTAPO?

Dear TW:

Thanks for the reminder and for the reminder as to what Remembrance Day
(Veteran's Day, States-side) is about. But the tyranny we fight goes back
further than the Patriot Act.

Harvey Overfed of BCTV reacts with self-righteous indignation over the
Squamish Indian who hangs his Canadian Flag upside down with a Swastika on
it. But Mr. Overfed slops his swill from the same trough as Martin.

What is a gestapo, Mr. Overfed, if it is not an organization which uses
cruel and unusual punishment (see Charter Section 12) for its
social-political objectives? The word gestapo like kimono is one of
those imported words, now in a Standard English dictionary.

Mr. Overfed will not examine the Canadian Gestapo which goes back a long
way under Finance Minister Martin, now PM Martin. Comply or Die is its
motto. It administers cruel and unusual punishment for social-political
objectives every day, from sea to sea. Its record of success is 1,000,000
unaccounted for, poor Canadians, essentially missing persons. Mr. Overfed
will rush forward with a story if 1,000,000 pennies are missing from the
trough. But 1,000,000 missing Canadians? A shill for Libertarian-Fascism
like Mr. Overfed will not utter one peep.

Z

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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, TrottingWolf wrote:

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 http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1107-22.htm

 An influential group of neo-conservatives and business executives, whose
 spiritual headquarters is Toronto's C.D. Howe Institute, has long been
 lecturing us on the need to be more accommodating to Washington.

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[CTRL] Fw: [bcrants] Fw: BushBillies - Think of the Beverly Hillbillies theme song........

2004-11-10 Thread Party of Citizens

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  Come and listen to my story 'bout a boy name Bush.
 
  His IQ was zero and his head was up his tush.
 
  He drank like a fish while he was drivin' all about.
 
  But that didn't matter 'cuz his daddy bailed him out.
 
 
 
  DUI, that is.
 
  Criminal record.
 
  Cover-up.
 
 
 
  Well, the first thing you know little Georgie goes to Yale.
 
  He can't spell his name but they never let him fail.
 
  He spends all his time hangin' out with student folk.
 
  And that's when he learns how to snort a line of coke.
 
 
 
  Blow, that is.
 
  White gold.
 
  Nose candy.
 
 
 
  The next thing you know there's a war in Vietnam.
 
  Kin folks say, George, stay at home with Mom.
 
  Let the common people get maimed and scarred.
 
  We'll buy you a spot in the Texas Air Guard.
 
 
 
  Cushy, that is.
 
  Country clubs.
 
  Nose candy.
 
 
 
  Twenty years later George gets a little bored.
 
  He trades in the booze, says that Jesus is his Lord.
 
  He said, Now the White House is the place I wanna be.
 
  So he called his daddy's friends and they called the GOP.
 
 
 
  Gun owners, that is.
 
  Falwell.
 
  Jesse Helms.
 
 
 
  Come November 7, the election ran late.
 
  Kin folks said Jeb, give the boy your state!
 
  Don't let those colored folks get into the polls.
 
  So they put up barricades so they couldn't punch their holes.
 
 
 
  Chads, that is.
 
  Duval County.
 
  Miami-Dade.
 
 
 
  Before the votes were counted five Supremes stepped in.
 
  Told all the voters Hey, we want George to win.
 
  Stop counting votes! was their solemn invocation.
 
  And that's how George finally got his coronation.
 
 
 
  Rigged, that is.
 
  Illegitimate.
 
  No moral authority.
 
 
 
  Y'all go vote now. Ya hear?
 
 
 
 
 
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[CTRL] What happens to our culture when household machines...

2004-11-09 Thread Party of Citizens

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speak in natural language?

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Subject: [LOGIC-LANGUAGE-LEARNING] NUI-GUI and NLP

What happens when Bill gives us NUI-GUI? It is a sub-set of natural
language, ie it is Standard Everyday English applied to the things a pc
does for a user.

What is to prevent upgrades from elaborating it into a more extensive
expression of NL? And what happens to AI when you can talk to your pc in
NL?

Z

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Subject: Re: [VS-DOT-NET] Urgent requirement for .Net professionals - in
Chennai

Someone with this experience should be able to write our requested NUI-GUI
Program though the contract you would get from Bill Gates may not be the
contract you like. We have .NET here along with other Microsoft
applications like Windows Explorer, Internet Explorer and Express.

I just did a comparison test of Windows Explorer vs. the Desktop Google
program as an internal search engine. I had accidentally deleted an
important email but I remembered 2 key words. Google found it in 1
second. After 20 minutes the MS doggie in Search was still wagging his
tail and had found ZERO.

So I think that sums up MS SW. It wags its tail in a friendly manner and
fails to produce what we want from it. As a user, I know what I want SW to
achieve for me. I don't think I should have to take a college course like
COMP 1002 to find out how to use it (See
http://www.geocities.com/ai_teaching_machine). NUI-GUI would mouse me
through to the goal and the cheese every time, in plain language or SEE
(Standard Everyday English).

In the case of .NET we are talking about compiler SW which translates a
so-called medium or high level language like C or C++ into machine
language so that it is executable by the machine. Why not COMPLETE THE
COMPILER? Write a compiler program for .NET so that menus in SEE will set
out everything for which a .NET program can be written. Those menus will
translate from SEE to C for example, and the existing .NET compiler SW
will further translate from C source code to object code. In other words,
.NET IS NOT COMPLETE AS IT STANDS, just as Search is not complete.

The SEE Compiler Program as an upgrade to .NET would also be more of the
NUI-GUI Maze. NUI-GUI takes you through that maze in Standard Everyday
English, through OS and application programs; and .NET would be one more
application program to tell you how to mouse your way through with clear,
plain language road signs all the way.

Now if Bill will just give us a grant for that MSN Group we set up,
called Machine Psychology, we can roll up our sleeves and write NUI-GUI.

Z

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Re: [CTRL] [RobotsRebellion2] The Worst Is Yet To Come --- Be Afraid. Be VERY Afraid...

2004-11-08 Thread Party of Citizens

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Bush speechifies about a Culture of Life but observably he stands for a
Culture of Death.

Z


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On Mon, 8 Nov 2004, Bill Shannon wrote:


 http://antiwar.com/justin/


 November 8, 2004
 The Worst Is Yet to Come
 Be afraid. Be very afraid.
 by Justin Raimondo
 Those moral values Republicans  you know, the ones who supposedly tipped
 the election in favor of the War Party  really are a hoot. Forget the Iraq
 war  killing tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians for no clear reason isn't
 a moral question as far as these folks are concerned. What they're really up
 in arms about is gay marriage and Hollywood's moral depravity (or do I
 repeat myself?). But what about this kind of depravity?:
 The Iraq war, [Norman Podhoretz] declares, has gone 'triumphantly.' The
 crowd applauds vigorously at this.
 Later in the day  perhaps for those wondering if the Iraqis themselves
 agree with Podhoretz's assessment  the conference organizers screen a
 trailer for Voices in Iraq, a forthcoming feature-length documentary for
 which two movie producers had handed out digital video cameras to ordinary
 Iraqis and asked them to film their daily lives. Evidently, the Iraqis in
 question see things the way CPD [Committee on the Present Danger] does. Men
 on the streets of Baghdad discuss how nice it is to have Saddam gone and to
 be better paid now. One child asks his mother what she thinks of democracy.
 Hassan,' she replies to her son, 'democracy means having individual freedom.
  A torture victim of Saddam says he wouldn't mind being tortured at Abu
 Ghraib. 'You have a nice American woman undress you and play with your penis
 ' he smirks. The audience laughs.
 No, it isn't a Beverly Hills bash or a night on the town with Paris Hilton:
 it's a conference sponsored by the Committee on the Present Danger (CPD), a
 group that may not be noticeably Christian, but which sports such
 professional moralizers as Betting Bill Bennett and Pope Poddy himself,
 whose latest encyclical to the neocon true believers is certainly longer
 than the original call for the Crusades issued by Pope Urban II.
 Although the kind of moral equivalence exhibited by Voices in Iraq would
 normally have the CPD'ers in a lather  after all, are we to be judged
 according to standards set by Saddam Hussein?  this is what passes for
 humor in neoconservative circles, along with tittering gloat-fests about how
 Yasser Arafat supposedly contracted AIDS. Mostly secular blue state
 intellectuals who, nonetheless, believe that religion is good for other
 people, the neocons are happy to applaud their Christian cohorts, egging
 them on to more militant acts of defiance against an increasingly pagan
 culture, while privately despising Christianity in all its manifestations
 and publicly celebrating the pagan virtues.
 But the Christian fundamentalists don't mind being patronized and treated
 with ill-disguised contempt by their secular neocon allies, just as long as
 certain theological and political goals are met: a theocracy on the home
 front and Armageddon in the Holy Land. According to the End Times theology
 of dispensationalist Protestants, the ingathering of Jews to Israel
 prefigures the Second Coming, which they can hasten if they give
 unconditional support to the government of Israel  even above and beyond
 their own. Such are the vaunted moral values of the American heartland,
 that alleged bastion of super-patriotism. Too bad it's patriotism in support
 of a foreign power.
 This is Bizarro-patriotism, i.e., the sort one might encounter on Bizarro
 World, where water flows uphill, and moral and political as well as physical
 laws are weirdly inverted. Ever since the 9/11 attacks ripped a hole in the
 space-time continuum  due, perhaps, to the extreme heat of the exploding
 planes, that literally melted down reality, which then hardened into a
 distorted and misshapen new form  we've been seeing a lot of this sort of
 thing, and it's due, as I've theorized before, to what I call the Bizarro
 Effect.
 In ordinary Earth-logic, it makes no sense to go after a secular fourth-rate
 power like Iraq to retaliate against an atrocity committed by an Islamic
 militant of Osama bin Laden's ilk. In Bizarro logic, however, it makes
 perfect non-sense.
 In Iraq, we are being beaten on the battlefield by a rag-tag underground
 resistance, and to our Bizarro-president, this represents great progress.
 Operating under the constraints of the old, pre-9/11 Earth-logic, an
 American president, faced with a disaster such as our looming defeat in Iraq
  would declare victory and get out. This is what Bob Novak and Pat Buchanan
 hoped for and predicted, but these two distinguished gentlemen are both
 living in the past. They don't understand the subtleties of Bizarro-logic,
 which is almost

[CTRL] Conspiracy against Geeks

2004-11-08 Thread Party of Citizens

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Subject: [FRANKLIN-ROBOPROFESSOR] To the student from Saudi Arabia

There is just ONE assignment to pass this course.

Here is a quote from the Calendar entry of CMPT 379 at SFU:

Students will work in teams to design and implement an actual compiler

Here's all you have to do to pass F-R. Design a menu or set of menus in
SEE which will allow the user to request C code from a program for all of
the lessons in the F-R archives.

Then, to get an A+, take your draft of the SEE menus to an expert in C
programming, spend X dollars and come back with the C code to write the C
code upon request from those SEE menus.

See how easy it is? Thereafter C programming will be automated and the
world will never need another C programmer.

Z

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[CTRL] Conspiracy against Presidents

2004-11-08 Thread Party of Citizens

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Subject: [R4P] Re: [beam] i got a robosapien

On Mon, 8 Nov 2004, GrantM. wrote:

 I would make some comment about how a robosapien would probably make a
 pretty good prez (I think the raaawr could be quite versatile...) but fear
 of the http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19469secret service keeps me
 at bay...

Good to have a sense of humour ... especially these days. R4P would need
more facial expressions than Al Gore and would tell better jokes than
Martha Stewart. Can Robosapiens do that?

Z

 I probably shouldn't have said that...

 errr let's not talk much about politics and don't even think of mentioning
 the T word (and I don't mean Tilden!).

 Paranoid,

 GrantM.

 People simply disappeared, always during the night. Your name was removed
 from the registers, every record of everything you had ever done was wiped
 out, your one-time existence was denied and then forgotten. You were
 abolished, annhilated: vaporized was the usual word. pg 20 - George
 Orwell 1984 (2004)

 At 03:28 PM 11/8/2004, you wrote:
 Can it be connected to a pc? How many generations do you think it will
 take before we can run it for president?

Z

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[CTRL] Fw: [CHARTER-EQUALITY-RIGHTS] Murder-by-Fiat

2004-11-07 Thread Party of Citizens

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Consider the implication of this for all sorts 
of people with medical disabilities 

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Subject: Re: [CHARTER-EQUALITY-RIGHTS] 
Murder-by-Fiat

  Hello Elvira:

  What do we call it when someone is forced out 
  onto the street by government, knowing that the conditions of exposure, in 
  interaction with a diagnosed and serious medical condition will take the 
  life of that person?

  Call it what it is:murder-by-fiat. If 
  it were done in Iraq at a POW camp, it would be called a war crime, ie 
  torture and murder. 

  Who then is pointing a gun at the heads of 
  the Supreme Court of Canada? One would have to suspect the Bush 
  Administration with its "Culture of Death" as ethos.

  One document we have here is quite 
  astonishing. It is a two-page fiat under the Martin-Campbell 
  administration which we have to suspectis under the Bush 
  Administration.Not only does it force the victim onto the street to 
  die as a result of exposure interacting with a well-diagnosed and serious 
  illness but does so with a pack of easily proven lies. 

  Then to make sure the lies are not proven to 
  be so in a court of law, it says NO COURT MAY HEAR AN APPEAL OF THIS 
  MATTER. That over-rules not only all the courts and judges of Canada, but 
  also the Constitution of Canada. In particular, Charter Section 24 which 
  says anyone whose rights are violated may appeal to a court, is voided by 
  the Martin-Campbell fiat.

  Then the media-propaganda whores like Peter 
  Mansbridge of CBC trot out their lackey-lines to cover for the 
  Martin-Campbell murderers, scoffing at the idea that such noble men could 
  be "personally" murdering the poor in Canada.

  EE

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Section 15: "Everyone is equal before the 
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[CTRL] [R4P] RoboSapien for President (fwd)

2004-11-06 Thread Party of Citizens

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Subject: [R4P] RoboSapien for President

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Subject: [LOGIC-LANGUAGE-LEARNING] Logic, Language and RoboSapien's Learning

On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, judith jennings wrote:

 J.J. Sometimes I pinch my thigh to wonder if I'm here.

Let's get going on the Logic-Language-Learning course which we had
discussed earlier  and see if we can make it worth 3 credits toward a
Machine Psychology Degree.

Logic = The study of truth functions.
(See http://www.geocities.com/ELECTRIC_ABACUS)

I feel a pinch T/F

You would answer T.

What do we put into truth functions? There is PERCEPTUAL input (eg the
pinch) and CONCEPTUAL input (time, space, God are examples of concepts for
which we do not seem to have perceptual matches). Many inputs can be
translated freely between conceptual and perceptual. The word/letter
symbols on this screen are conceptual but many can be translated into
perceptual inputs.

I keep coming back to show and tell which is systematized in the Peabody
Picture Vocabulary Test, a quickie IQ test normed from age 2 to 90.

Show and Tell is PERCEPTUAL. Now imagine the RoboSapien which has a link
from the Electric Abacus web site as a $100 robot child in millions of
homes. We start RoboSapien off at a 2 year level in picture vocabulary,
assuming it has a fairly good OBJECT RECOGNITION PROGRAM.

Show and Tell is natural language. We can extend its truth functions
greatly and expand the natural language. How far can we go with this?
How much NL and AI can we generate as millions of robot parents share
what they are teaching it over the Internet?

Z

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[CTRL] [BCPOLITICS] Uprising Against the U-S-A Republican Culture of Death (fwd)

2004-11-05 Thread Party of Citizens

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Long live the Glorious Revolution, Citizen Carolyn. Tell us when it is
time to storm the Bastille!

Z

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State House in response to massive voter suppression and corruption

Outrage in Ohio: Angry residents storm State House in response to massive
voter suppression and corruption
Michigan 05 Nov 2004
http://indymedia.us/en/index.shtml

 November 3 - Toledo, Ohio Hundreds of angry Ohio residents marched through
the streets of Columbus-Ohio's Capital-this evening and stormed the Ohio
State House, defying orders and arrest threats from Ohio State Troopers.
O-H-I-O ! suppressed democracy has got to go, they chanted. After troopers
pushed and scuffled with people, nearly a hundred people took over the steps
and entrance to the State's giant white column capital building and refused
repeated orders to disperse or face arrest. People prepared for arrests,
ready to face jail-writing lawyers phone numbers on their arms, signing jail
support lists and discussing non-cooperation and active resistance (linking
arms, but not fighting back).

A freshly painted banner held on the steps read ONE VOTE DENIED = DEMOCRACY
IN TROUBLE! 100'S OF 1000'S OF VOTES SURPRESSED = DEMOCRACY FAILED
articulated the crisis. An unprecedented massive grassroots voter
registration and get out the vote effort and widespread opposition to Bush
went up against the massive coordinated Republican effort to suppress,
intimidate and possibly steal millions of votes. In addition to the voter
suppression and intimidation is the fact that Bush campaign co-chair
Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell is in charge of the election and vote
counting. But much deeper questions about fundamental flaws in the system
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[CTRL] Bush's Culture of Death

2004-11-04 Thread Party of Citizens

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Subject: [FUTURE-CITIES] Re: My First Thoughts About the Election

Followed by your list of the names of the fallen American soldiers in the
Iraq War.

My first thought was how you and the rest of the Nader Team sold us out.
We have a movie poster here for a free public showing of Fahrenheit 911.
It shows Bush and Moore walking hand-in-hand. That says it all.

Let's start with Perot and how he LED in the polls for a while ... until
we the people figured out that the beady-eyed Twerp of Texas didn't have
squat to say. All hat and no horse. But the point is: THE ELECTORATE WAS
AND IS READY FOR THE CANADIAN MULTI-PARTY SYSTEM.

Nader blew it. Mr. Unsafe at Any Speed could have gone forward with
an ecology platform because ECOLOGY IS COMPREHENSIVE. Imagine a model
city-built-anew in Florida as Disney had planned it to be (but EPCOT as
planned was scrapped when Disney died).

Think of how many lives a non-polluting city with little or no traffic
congestion could have saved. Bush and Bush are NOT pro-life. They don't
care about things like this or the fact that Americans could and should be
10x better off. Neither do you and Nader apparently so you got what you
deserved.

Z

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[CTRL] Republican Pro-Life Hypocrisy?

2004-11-03 Thread Party of Citizens

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Subject: [UNIVERSALHUMANRIGHTS] RE: [INGRAM] Elvira's Choice

http://tinyurl.com/5da3b

Dear Mr. Henderson:

We are not in Florida as you are. For all we know, Elvira could be Mrs.
Emma Peel of The New Avengers living in a Tampa penthouse and riding in
a stretch limo. It is your story and only you can verify the details which
she asserts concerning HUD and its CAUSING of homelessness. The HUD URL
above tells us how concerned they are for the plight of the poor. Are
they? Elvira says otherwise.

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On Tue, 2 Nov 2004, Henderson, Tim wrote:

 I beg your pardon. I have been given a name, Elvira, and something about a
 car and a moldy room.

Here is the journalism-worthy story if validated. She says she has
BEEN GIVEN A CHOICE BY HUD: Have her health destroyed by sleeping in a
moldy room or have her health destroyed by sleeping in a car. Would you
want to be in a car when the next hurricane happens? Why does HUD not
treat the mold?

Why is that news worthy? For one thing it is a PUNITIVE choice. That is
FACT (conditional upon validating the story). How would one describe the
punishment? How about cruel and unusual? Isn't there something in your
constitution about cruel and unusual punishment?

The most heinous criminal could not lawfully be punished as Elvira says
she is being punished. WHY is she being punished? More of your story 

 What do you suggest I do at this point?

Start doing some investigative journalism.

Z

PS-Isn't this also a right to life story which reveals the hypocrisy of
right to life under a Republican Regime? Their supposed compassion for the
unborn does not seem to extend to the right to life of innocent black
women in their 50's who can be literally tortured to death by the ravages
of homelessness under the administration of a HUD Gestapo. Is she being
subjected to these life destroying conditions because of her political
activism?

 --tim

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  Sent:   Tuesday, November 02, 2004 1:34 PM
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  Subject:RE: [INGRAM] Elvira's Choice

  You have been given many details.

  Z

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  On Tue, 2 Nov 2004, Henderson, Tim wrote:

   OK. We've established I'm a journalist residing in Florida. If you have
  an
   idea for a story, please furnish the details and if possible I'll pass
  it on
   to the right person. Thanks
   --tim

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Sent:   Monday, November 01, 2004 7:59 PM
To: Henderson, Tim
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED];
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Subject:RE: [INGRAM] Elvira's Choice

On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, Henderson, Tim wrote:

 I am a journalist. Is that why you've contacted me?

Yes, and you are a Florida journalist.

 Do you have a story
 idea?

Perhaps Mr. Twigg, one of BC's most eminent political journalists can
  help
you to see the story here.

Z

 --tim

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[CTRL] [LJ] Re: [INGRAM] Elvira's Choice (fwd)

2004-11-02 Thread Party of Citizens

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Subject: [LJ] Re: [INGRAM] Elvira's Choice

Excellent ... now let's stay focused on the fundamental justice aspect
of Elvira's Story. Fundamental Justice is the exact phrasing from the
Life, Liberty, Security section of Canada's Constitution.

On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, elvira52 wrote:

 1.given you that choice.

 ANSWER1. True Party,

 2. it is like
  giving a convicted person a choice of hanging or shooting or worse.

 ANSWER2.Again True Party,

 3.Doesn't
 it say something about cruel and unusual punishment?

Elvira's Choice as it has been presented is that she is FORCED to choose
between sleeping in a moldy room and sleeping in a car. Both settings are
health and life destroying. Who wants to be sleeping in a car in Florida
when the next hurricane happens? Both forced choices are torturous. Even
the baddest convicted and jailed criminal in Florida could not be punished
in such a cruel and unusual way. But Elvira is not guilty of so much as a
jay-walking violation.

What does that say about fundamental justice in Florida, when an
innocent person can be subjected to cruel and unusual punishment and the
most heinous convicted criminal cannot? Do you see a political journalism
story here, Mr. Henderson?

Do you see how procedures like those in Elvira's Story can be used to
cunningly carry out extra-judicial executions in your country against
those who do not fit the mould of the New World Order?

 ANSWER3.This is what they say Party but it only apply to some not all?!.

Good point. You are a political activist with a broad agenda. You could
be selectively targeted for destruction and death by Bush and Bush because
of your political work.

 4.What do the legal
  authorities say about cruel and unusual punishment when NO CRIME OR
  MISDEMEANOUR HAS BEEN COMMITTED? Sounds like PERSECUTION to me

 ANSWER4. they do what they are told most have something to hide and that's
 how they get them and some are just heartless.

 Myself I just can't shake hands with the Devil Knowing that's what I'm
 doing. JUST BECAUSE?

You are doing first rate political activists' work which the political
oligopoly (= near monopoly) represented by Bush-Kerry-Nader cannot
tolerate. They cannot tolerate those who think for themselves.

And since when did a NWO flunky like Michael Moore think for himself?
He only runs with what the same oligopoly allows. Even Nader's ecology
agenda has been muzzled and Moore knows it.

Z

 Peace

 Elvira
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  Given that the powers that be have given you that choice, it is like
  giving a convicted person a choice of hanging or shooting. It is CRUEL AND
  UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT  have your health destroyed by sleeping in a moldy
  room or in an unsafe car. I don't have my US Constitution handy. Doesn't
  it say something about cruel and unsual punishment? What do the legal
  authorities say about cruel and unusual punishment when NO CRIME OR
  MISDEMEANOUR HAS BEEN COMMITTED? Sounds like PERSECUTION to me.

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[CTRL] [U-S-A] U-S-A One Party System (fwd)

2004-11-02 Thread Party of Citizens

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Subject: [FUTURE-CITIES] Re: Totem and Taboo: Moore-Nader

If you go to the Future Cities archives you will learn how a
city-built-anew like Disney had originally planned on the Reedy Creek
Improvement District site would be absolutely astonishing. Vancouver bus
driver, Jim Bower, is a Disney scholar who first explained to us how
Florida had passed special legislation for EPCOT. But Disney died soon
after that and the project was quelled.

So the point is that this goes back a long way. Just ask the eminent
architect, William McDonough (former Dean of Architecture at U Virginia)
what EPCOT in Florida could be like today.

That is what the one-party system of Bush-Nader-Kerry does not want
Americans to know ... ie that they could and should be 10x better off! Or,
as Elvira of Florida tells us  SOS.

Z

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On Tue, 2 Nov 2004, Mark Kernes wrote:

 on 11/2/04 12:15 PM, Party of Citizens wrote, apparently to Michael Moore:

  Why have you been such a flunky of the New World Order and
  suppressed/muzzled an ecology campaign by Nader? One that could even have
  won him the election?

 I think someone(s) would have to seriously have misread the American
 electorate to think that the current presidential campaign would in any
 decisive way hinge on an ecology issue.

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[CTRL] [U-S-A] PERSECUTION BY THE PROSECUTION OF THE INNOCENT (fwd)

2004-11-01 Thread Party of Citizens

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Gotta love that subject line ... tres elegante, Professor Elvira!

Right you are. This is more than prosecution of the innocent if the story
is as told below. It is PUNISHMENT of the innocent, knowing that they are
innocent, and without even a pretense of due process of law. Well and
truly Bush Whacked I would say.

Now where do you think good ol' U-S-A got the precedent for that? From the
use of torturous and murderous punishment against the poor (eg rendering
them homeless) for no crime, no misdemeanour ... not so much as a
jay-walking violation.

That is why I keep telling those on Ingram-L that people like Fred Hutter
who buy into this kind of justice are FASCISTS. It is only by pleasing
Fred and Cabal that you are exempt from punishment.

That is what the Arenas of Rome were all about under the First Reich. What
pleases the Freddy Fascists today may not please them tomorrow. THEY
define the bread and circuses. They call it THE economy to deceive you.
It is not THE economy. It is THEIR economy, arbitrarily defined.

But one thing remains constant in THEIR economy. The poor must please and
pleasure the rich or they will be punished severely and possibly even
executed by various cruel and unusual methods. The Bush-Whacking Florida
favourite I hear is death-by-hurricane-and-car for the homeless poor.

Z

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On Sun, 31 Oct 2004, elvira52 wrote:

 Please Help,

 There's many more stories to come that is...

 War is NOT the Answer it only bring more pain and suffering what goes up must come 
 down we can't take it with us.

 Peace

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[CTRL] [BCPOLITICS] Who murdered Bobby Kennedy: FBI v LAPD (fwd)

2004-10-26 Thread Party of Citizens

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Subject: [BCPOLITICS] Who murdered Bobby Kennedy: FBI v LAPD

According to a Discovery program, an FBI agent says he saw the door frame
with the two extra bullet holes and the slugs, all of which were EVIDENCE
DESTROYED BY LAPD. The LAPD Chief who also appeared on Discovery gave all
appearance of being as much a liar as the accused serial rapist Governor
of California. Why not you or USDOJ inviting both FBI Agent and LAPD Chief
to take polygraph tests?

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[CTRL] Conspiring against the global education scam

2004-10-24 Thread Party of Citizens

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Subject: [global-citizens] Re: Teachers Talking:
OpenCourseware/Opensourceware

  Zandu Goldbar
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  - Original Message -
  From: Pamela McLean [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 2:53 PM
  Subject: Teachers talking

  Hello Pamela and CAWDTeachersTalking:

  POC is a registered BC political party which has
opencourseware/opensourceware as part of its platform (but we are also
capable of some serious silliness as our card indicates).

  I notice from your web site that there are students in Nigeria eager to
learn Introductory Computing Science. At
http://www.geocities.com/AI_TEACHING_MACHINE we are putting lectures adapted
from BCIT's COMP 1002 on a web site. COMP 1002 will get you transfer credit
at any major university here.

  To pass this course, the student will also have to engage in dialogue on a
POC administered list like the MIT- list. We have 400-500 subscribers on
POC-administered lists, many of whom are computer experts.
  Also POC has a P.Eng. computing science consultant to call on if any
really tough questions are asked by students.

  Z

  PS: Loges-de-Corbeaux is sort of Canada's Shangri-La. The story was
written up in the Ottawa Citizen in 1979. Mr. Turner, a surveyor from
Cranbrook BC found a piece of land high in the Rockies bordering Alberta and
BC which was not on any map. So he laid claim to it and proclaimed himself
king of a now-contested throne. The name he gave to his kingdom is
Loges-de-Corbeaux which means crow's nest. When the reporter asked his wife
for an opinion, she said essentially, 'That is one crow who is out of his
tree'.

   Hi

   Welcome to Teachers Talking - Do join us and introduce yourself  by
   emailing [EMAIL PROTECTED] As well as knowing a bit
   about who you are and your interest in the group I personally would
   appreciate knowing now how you found us, as I sent information out in
   several directions yesterday.

   We have had a lively day today because the InfoCentre in Ago- Are, rural
   Nigeria,  has recently got connected to the Internet so the trainer
   there - Muji - has just started to join in the discussions with the
   people who are setting up the support group.

   I look forward to hearing more from you.

   Pam

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[CTRL] [U-S-A] Re: [NEWSROOM-L] Bush and Dissent (fwd)

2004-10-23 Thread Party of Citizens

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Watch the stats now on homeless people who are also political dissidents.

Since there are now only good doer folks who are for us and evil doer
folks who are agin us, and the latter are enemies of the 'Merican Way ...
what better way to dispose of those deemed human trash by the Regime?

At least that is how it may logic out to someone in the post-alcoholic
phase with a brain that would probably look like Swiss Cheese upon
dissection.

Z

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On Sat, 23 Oct 2004, Walter Brasch wrote:

 WANDERINGS, with Walt Brasch
 Week of Oct. 24-30, 2004
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 The 'Morally Treasonable' Bush Administration

 by Walter Brasch

On a blatant campaign of exploiting 9/11, and a subversive campaign
 to undermine the nation's civil liberties, George W. Bush expects to win
 a second term. Jingoism is encouraged; dissent is not tolerated.
As Texas governor, Bush established protest zones far removed from
 where he spoke. He continues that practice as President. Anyone with a
 message not in agreement with the administration's beliefs is isolated,
 some as much as a half-mile away, during presidential and
 vice-presidential public appearances. However, according to a ruling by
 the federal district court in Philadelphia, all persons, no matter what
 their personal or political views, must have equal access under the
 First Amendment guarantees of free speech and the right of assembly.
 That part of the Constitution has often been overlooked by the
 Republican administration and by local police.
In Columbia, S.C., a fifty-four-year-old man was arrested at a
 campaign rally for carrying a sign, No More War for Oil. In
 Evansville, Ind., a photographer who had won the Pulitzer Prize, was
 charged with disorderly conduct and resisting arrest for holding a
 30-inch by 40-inch sign, Cheney-19th Century Energy Man. In Tampa,
 Fla., two grandmothers and a gay rights activist were arrested for
 peacefully holding protest signs. Near Pittsburgh, Pa., a
 sixty-five-year-old retired steel worker was arrested when he refused to
 go to a protest zone.
At every Bush or Cheney appearance, official or political, persons
 are pre-screened before being issued tickets, and then allowed into the
 rallies only if they aren't critics of any of the administration's
 policies. Thousands have been forced to sign loyalty oaths. In
 Albuquerque, Michael Ortiz y Pino, a Vietnam combat veteran, told the
 Associated Press he was also asked by the Republican organizers to
 identify if he was with any groups that were associated with veterans,
 pro-life/pro-choice, gun rights, or teachers. In Tucson, the Republicans
 demanded to know the race of some photojournalists before issuing them
 credentials. Those who question the necessity of providing personal data
 and social security numbers are told the Secret Service requires it. We
 don't require that information, Tom Mazur, Secret Service spokesman,
 says.  Heather Layman, spokesperson for the Republican National
 Committee, says, We just want to assure a positive experience for those
 attending.
In Scranton, Pa., a woman was ordered to remove a small metal peace
 button from her lapel. I was told it was an unauthorized symbol, says
 Jean Golomb, who bought it at a Hallmark store. In Saginaw, Mich., a
 woman was thrown out of a Bush rally because she had a rolled-up
 pro-choice T-shirt. Barbara Miller says she was told, We don't accept
 any pro-choice non-Republican paraphernalia at this event. On
 Independence Day 2004 at an official presidential appearance, all of it
 paid by taxpayers, Nicole and Jeffrey Rank were arrested when they
 refused to turn their T-shirts inside out so an anti-Bush message didn't
 appear. Nicole Rank, an environmental scientist with FEMA, was later
 fired after receiving consistent ratings of excellent.
In Hamilton, N.J., where Laura Bush was rallying the faithful to
 support the war in Iraq, a mother whose son was killed in Iraq was
 escorted out because she wore a T-shirt that declared, President Bush
 You Killed My Son, and had the audacity to ask what the Republicans
 believed was a hostile question. Outside the auditorium, while talking
 with a reporter, she was ordered to leave, didn't do so, and then was
 handcuffed and arrested on defiant trespass charges. Their cases are
 just a few of thousands throughout the country.
In Bloomsburg, Pa., two peaceful reporters were ordered to leave the
 grounds of a state university at a Dick Cheney rally; they were never
 told

[CTRL] [PERSIANS-JEWS-FLIES] U-S-A MIB Operations in Canuckistan? (fwd)

2004-10-23 Thread Party of Citizens

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Subject: [PERSIANS-JEWS-FLIES] U-S-A MIB Operations in Canuckistan?

Why not? CBC tells us they operate between in Georgia, between Black and
Caspian seas 

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Subject: [CITIZENS_ASSEMBLY] Re: [CPI-UA] Ashcroft asks Canada for help
gathering data about air travelers entering Canada

Men In Black

About a week ago there was a dramatic police take-down on Hastings Street
in front of Save-On meats. When I arrived it was about 1/4 of the way
through.

There was a back SUV which had pulled up behind a white pickup. There were
four MIB police in the SUV dressed totally in black. Three were pointing
pistols at the two Indian men in the SUV. The fourth was pointing a rifle
or shotgun. They went through the procedure of handcuffing, searching etc.

This incident was on neither the 6 o'clock nor 11 o'clock BCTV news. What
happened?

Do you think we could lose citizens this way to the Patriot Act,
citizens whose asses could go south so fast they wouldn't get a chance to
kiss their shorts good-bye?

Z

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On Sat, 23 Oct 2004, George Lessard wrote:

As part of the plan, the Canada Border Services Agency
   is gathering data about air travelers entering Canada
   and sharing the information with U.S. agencies. There
   are plans to expand that to entry by ship, ferry, bus
   and other commercial means.

   Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:24:23 -0700
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 We're shuddering too. Best thing we could do to protect Canada from
 barbarians is to erect a huge wall across the 49th. Bush, Aschroft et al
 have CREATED far more of a terrorist problem than they solved. But then
 wasn't that the purpose of it all?

 Z

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 On Sat, 23 Oct 2004, Libby wrote:

   Well this is chilling.

   http://www.detnews.com/2004/nation/0410/23/nation-312744.htm

   Ashcroft says U.S. needs Canada's help to thwart   terror

   OTTAWA (AP) -- Attorney General John Ashcroft on
   Friday said the United States needs Canadaís help to
   thwart terrorism and to secure the vast border between
   the two countries.

   snip--

   ìWe need the assistance of Canada and we need the
   assistance of individuals around the world,î he said.

   snip -

   Here's the chilling part:

   As part of the plan, the Canada Border Services Agency
   is gathering data about air travelers entering Canada
   and sharing the information with U.S. agencies. There
   are plans to expand that to entry by ship, ferry, bus
   and other commercial means.

   Neo-con mission creep?

   shuddering,

   Libby

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[CTRL] [MIT-OpenCourseWare-Discussion] Re: [CI] Teachers Talking (fwd)

2004-10-22 Thread Party of Citizens

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Subject: [MIT-OpenCourseWare-Discussion] Re: [CI] Teachers Talking

The teachers in Nigeria might be interested in studying Introductory
Computing Science. The course at
http://www.geocities.com/AI_TEACHING_MACHINE is putting lectures from
COMP 1002 at BCIT on a web site. The student then has to subscribe to the
associated email list to get the finer details and of course practice
makes perfect. If students do all that, they will be able to write
challenge exams and get credit for Introductory Computing Science at any
university in BC and expectedly just about anywhere else on the planet.

It is free compared to the $500+ this course costs at BCIT.

Why do we do it? Opencourseware/Opensourceware is a global
social-political movement and POC has made this part of its platform.

Z

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On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, Pamela McLean wrote:

 Apologies for cross posting.

 If you have an interest in any of the following:
 - Virtual communities
 - ICTs and education
 - ICTs and development

 Then you may like to join the Teachers Talking group. It was set up as a
 yahoo group in preparation for an introductory ICT course to be held by
 Fantsuam Foundation
 http://teacherstalking.xwiki.com/xwiki/bin/view/Main/FantsuamFoundation
 in Kafanchan, Nigeria, on November 29th to December 3rd 2004. Thanks to
 Ross Gardler it soon gave rise to a related Wiki.

 The teachers attending the course will be rural teachers, who will not
 have used (and may never have seen) a computer before. ICT is coming
 onto the curriculum in Nigeria and teachers want to know computer as
 they are concerned for their career prospects if they are computer
 illiterates.

 The idea of the Teachers Talking group is not just that it will provide
 useful resources but, more importantly, it will provide a welcome for
 the Nigerian teachers when they first log on to the Internet, and a
 taster of what it means to belong to the connected community.

 Through this Teachers Talking group the Nigerian teachers may meet
 potential colleagues, mentors and friends in the connected community.
 The first fifteen members of the group represent four continents and met
 initially through other Internet discussion lists. In some ways the
 Nigerian teachers will be more like tourists (quickly visiting major
 landmarks) than like students on a traditional ICT training course.
 Like all tourists, they bring their culture with them, so there is the
 potential for new friendships and information exchange.

 Teachers Talking is a closed yahoo group but new members are welcome If
 you are interested in joining please click on the link and introduce
 yourself. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CawdTeachersTalking/

 Pam

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[CTRL] [space-city] Building Planets (fwd)

2004-10-21 Thread Party of Citizens

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Subject: [space-city] Building Planets

What if we were to tow all of the rocks in the asteroid belt to Location
X? How big would the planet be? How much would the gold and platinum in
that planet be worth? Is there a limit to the size of planet that could be
built this way (eg due to g)?

Z

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On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Donald Savage
 Headquarters, Washington Oct. 14 2004
 (Phone: 202/358-1727)

 Whitney Clavin
 Jet Propulsion Laboratory
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 NOTE TO EDITORS: N04-163

 NASA VIRTUAL NEWS BRIEFING:  SPITZER UNCOVERS PLANETS'
 VIOLENT PAST

  Astronomers will present new findings about how planets
 are built during a listen-and-log-on news briefing Monday at
 1 p.m. EDT. The discoveries were made using NASA's Spitzer
 Space Telescope.

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 Images and graphics supporting the briefing will be posted on
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 http://www.spitzer.caltech.edu/Media/041018telecon/

 Briefing participants:

 -- Dr. Jonathan Gardner, Spitzer Space Telescope program
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 -- Dr. George Rieke, Spitzer Space Telescope scientist and
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 -- Dr. Scott Kenyon, senior scientist, Harvard-Smithsonian
 Center for Astrophysics, Cambridge, Mass.

 The Spitzer Space Telescope state-of-the-art infrared
 detectors pierce the dense clouds of gas and dust that
 enshroud many celestial objects, including distant galaxies;
 clusters of newborn stars; and planet forming discs around
 stars. JPL manages the Spitzer Space Telescope mission for
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Re: [CTRL] [ctrl] Paid Politicians Targeting Christian Boycott of Israel

2004-10-21 Thread Party of Citizens

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How dare these Christians be Anti-Anti-Christ? It is only permitted to be
Anti-Christ and Pro-Anti-Christ as New Edom is officially.

The Grovelling Grahams, the quintessential babylonian whore family LOVE
the Anti-Christs in I John 2:22 and the bigger and fatter the Anti-Christ,
ther greater the LOVE.

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On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, Bill Shannon wrote:

 http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/paid_politicians.html



 Paid Politicians Targeting Christian Boycott of Israel

 By Michael Collins Piper

 At the instigation of the Zionist Organization of America, 13 members of
 Congress have sent a letter to the Department of Commerce demanding that
 action be taken to stop the American branches of the Presbyterian and
 Episcopalian churches from divesting in companies that do business in Israel
  They have suggested that the churches are in violation of the U.S. Export
 Administration Act (EAA), which prohibits Americans from participating in
 the long-standing Arab boycott of Israel. But the campaign by the paid
 politicians against the Christian churches goes much further than this: the
 members of Congress are going so far as to suggest that, along with the
 churches, students, academic organizations and other institutions that urge
 Americans to disinvest in companies doing business with Israel are also in
 violation of the EAA.
 The members of Congress are charging that the very act of advocating
 divestment from Israel is illegal.
 The ringleaders of the group are two New Jersey representatives: Jim Saxton,
 a Republican, and Rob Andrews, a Democrat. The 11 others include: Joe
 Crowley (D-N.Y.), Pete Sessions (R-Texas), Dennis Cardoza (D-Calif.),
 Michael McNulty (D-N.Y.), Peter King (R-N.Y.), Madeleine Bordallo (D-Guam),
 Martin Frost (D-Texas), Philip Crane (R-Ill.), Shelley Berkley (D-Nev.),
 Carolyn Maloney (D-N.Y.) and Marilyn Musgrave (R-Colo.).
 A press release from the Zionist Organization of America, dated Sept. 28,
 2004, claimed credit for inducing the bipartisan group of federal office
 holders to send the letter to the Commerce Department.
 In the meantime, another group of congressmen, led by Rep. Howard L. Berman
 (D-Calif.), have sent a strongly worded letter to the Presbyterian Church
 USA condemning the vote to begin selective disinvestments from companies
 doing business with Israel.
 Those representatives joining Berman in attacking the Presbyterian Church
 for its action include: Roy Blunt (R-Missouri), Steny Hoyer (D-Md.), Deborah
 Pryce (R-Ohio), John Lewis (D-Ga.), John Linder (R-Ga.), Henry Waxman
 (D-Calif.), Mark Steven Kirk (R-Ill.), Gary Ackerman (D-N.Y.), Eric Cantor
 (R-Va.), Linda Sanchez (D-Calif.), Tom Feeney (R-Fla.), Barney Frank (D-Mass
 ), and Lamar Smith (R-Texas).
 Joining the members of Congress in slamming the Presbyterian and Episcopal
 churches is Rabbi Gary Bretton-Granatoor, the interfaith affairs director
 of the Israeli lobby group known as the Anti-Defamation League.
 Bretton-Granatoor said: The Presbyterian divestment could potentially
 create a snowball effect and resurrect what had been a moribund issue. Now
 it has provoked the Anglicans [the Episcopal ChurchEd.], and we know it
 will not end there.
 Although the rabbi added, in a threatening fashion, We have to send a clear
 message to every church that they will have to face a united Jewish
 community on this issue, the fact is that even many grass-roots American
 Jews have urged divestment in Israel, evidently shamed by the actions of
 Israel against the Muslim and Christian Arab Palestinian people under its
 domination.
 Following the passage of measures in July 2004 calling for selective divestment of 
 stock in corporations within the churchs $8 billion portfolio which profit by 
 supporting violence in Israel and Palestine, the Presbyterian Church issued a 
 statement saying it wanted to send a strong message to the U.S., Israeli and 
 Palestinian governments, so they could begin to lay aside arrogant political 
 posturing and get on with forging negotiated compromises that open a path to peace.

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[CTRL] [U-S-A] U-S-A Prepares to Attack China (fwd)

2004-10-21 Thread Party of Citizens

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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:00:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [U-S-A] U-S-A Prepares to Attack China

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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:59:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: [PERSIANS-JEWS-FLIES] Re: [NEWSROOM-L] FW: Bin Laden is in China

What a marvellous way to rationlalize an attack on North Korea and China!

Z

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On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, Mycos wrote:

 Yes...good point. But then I suppose any reaction by them rests on how
 radical or fundamental the Chinese Muslims are. On this point,I have
 to wonder to what extent Chinese media control has on their perception
 of Bin Laden and militant Islam in general.

 Gary Williams

 Jules Siegel wrote:

  Mycos wrote:

  My gut feeling on this was No...that's absurd. The Republicans threaten
  war with Iran. But then I read the post about China and bin Laden
  (which I'll reserve judgement on g), which brought up Reagans October
  Surprise; the release of the hostages. Then there was Ollie North's
  negotiations with them to carry on the Contra funding behind the backs
  of Congress. Given that, I have to say that the idea is a bit more
  palatable.

  It's plausible, but what about the cost to China when all hell breaks
  loose in their Moslem populations?

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Re: [CTRL] [THE-DIALECTIC-OF-THE-DIALECTIC] Historia Ecclesiastica (fwd)

2004-10-20 Thread Party of Citizens

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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:28:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
 [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [THE-DIALECTIC-OF-THE-DIALECTIC] Historia Ecclesiastica

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, judith jennings wrote:

 J.J. here. Sorry I'm such a wimp out on this stuff. He
 never said to preach in the name of the F, S  HS.
 That was added later. The squeeky wheel gets it all
 EH? The anti-semite bill ummm. interesting, is an
 anti-semite bill all right EH? If you are a true
 beleiver then what ? not - anti-Christ, OOOps yrr otta
 here. **B-L-A-H. Fun stuff. Bye for now Judith.

Bingo. It is OK to be Anti-Christ but not OK to be Anti-Anti-Christ.

How can one get more Orwellian than that?

Z

 ***---
 Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 -
 If you are camping out take your umbrella but remember
 that Jesus Christ
 said, The rain falls on the just and on the unjust.

 Zandu said:

 The rain falls on the just and on the unjust
 But it falls more on the just fella
 Because the unjust fella has the just fella's
 umbrella.

 Z

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 human person
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 On Mon, 18 Oct 2004, judith jennings wrote:

  scroll down --- Israelite Knight
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  -
   Wayne Franklin Poley wrote:
JKKK (Dr. Danny Amneus) is a white-fascist bigot
  whose
 ideas that only
 white people have right of return to Israel are
 as
 absurd as the ideas on
 right of return of the Edomite Jewish Nation.

  No Israelite is claiming any right of return to
 any
  place.  Israelites
  don't need to grovel like jew beggars for welfare
  handouts.  Nor beg the
  British Empire to kick the Ottoman Empire out of
  their homeland that not a
  single jew ancestor ever set foot on.  Nor whine for
  52 years we're God's
  chosen people even though God made them so morally,
  mentally, and
  physically depraved that they got ZERO Gold Medals
 at
  same time the
  Israelites He created won thousands of them.

  95-99% of Israelites were long gone from Judaea by
 the
  time of the
  Babylonian captivity in 587 BC, and there's not a
  single reason for even one
  of the billion Israelites on the planet today to go
  back to their
  homeland.

  joo joo whined:
  Edomites, the sons of the other brother Essau.
  u.
  They have so usurped the usurper, in the end
 EH?

  I am not whining about it. As far as I can see they
  are industrious people, and worked hard. You whine
  about them, as I recall. I am happy where I am. I'm
  just wondering if I should ever visit. If they would
  spit on me then perhaps it would be mindful of me to
  go elsewhere, ei:camping out, is what I like.

 ***
  Edomites are the descendants of Esau, not his
 brother.
   His brother was
  Jacob, and all descendants of Jacob are Israelites.

  The jews in Israel make the following claims
 about
  their ancestry:

  1)  They're descendants of Esau (which means they
  cannot be Israelites).

  2)  They're descendants of Ashkenaz (who was a
  descendant of Japheth, one of
  Shem's brothers, which means they wouldn't be
 Semites,
  much less Hebrews,
  children of Abraham, nor Israelites).

  3)  They're descendants of the Khazars who
 converted
  to Judaism in the
  9th Century AD (about the STUPIDEST thing an empire
  could ever engage in,
  but something that would mean they are not Semites,
  not Hebrews, not
  children of Abraham, and certainly not Israelites).

  So while American jews are whining that they're
 the
  true Israelites, all
  other jews and even most American jew writings
 claim
  just the opposite.

  But since jews ALWAYS lie, then none of the above
  theories or claims are
  correct );

  John Knight

  - Original Message -
  From: Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED];
  [EMAIL PROTECTED];
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 4:59 PM
  Subject: Re: [THE-DIALECTIC-OF-THE-DIALECTIC]
 Historia
  Ecclesiastica

 I agree with you that preaching to
 ultra-resistant
  Edomites like
   JKikeKikeKike is a waste of time. Also, there is
  something to consider
  from
   what the Edomites sometimes put forward against
 the
  Gospels. They say it
  was
   ALL MADE UP ...a fiction.

 If so, it is also a metaphysical THEORY and that
  causes us to feed back
  to
   them their own position. You cannot read the
 Gospels
  with COMPREHENSION
   unless you are so dedicated

[CTRL] [U-S-A] Mormon Breeding Machine from U-S-A Invades BC (fwd)

2004-10-19 Thread Party of Citizens

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Subject: [U-S-A] Mormon Breeding Machine from U-S-A Invades BC

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:05:57 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: [CITIZENS_ASSEMBLY] [hr-education-na] Free child rights and
protection resources (fwd)

Minister of Chidren and Families
Gordon Hogg

Dear Mr. Hogg:

The child labour laws in BC are the most unfriendly to children in North
America since 12 year olds are deemed employable.

We heard on CBC last night that women are herded into harems at Bountyful,
BC to become mormon breeding machines in violation of the law and your
government does not act to enforce the laws against sexual abuse.

If a 12 year old should run away from the psychological abuse which your
government supports at Bountyful and seek IA (Income Assistance) am I
correct that the foster parent could put the child out to work rather than
have the child draw IA? Could the foster parent FORCE the child to work
for a living?

What is the consequence if all such children in BC should refuse to work?
Do you then present 12 year olds with the same comply or die ultimatum
which is presented to adults receiving IA by MHR?

Z

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[CTRL] [U-S-A] Re: Widespread Torture at Guantanamo Confirmed (fwd)

2004-10-18 Thread Party of Citizens

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Subject: [U-S-A] Re: Widespread Torture at Guantanamo Confirmed

Memorize it as a mantrum: THE NEW WORLD ORDER IS BUILT ON A FOUNDATION OF
TORTURE ... FOR ALL WHO DO NOT COMPLY WITH ITS ECONOMIC MODEL.

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[CTRL] [global-citizens] The Mother of all Programs (fwd)

2004-10-17 Thread Party of Citizens

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Subject: [global-citizens] The Mother of all Programs

Yesterday that rare event happened ... an email dropped into a black hole
in cyberspace. I'll resend it.

It was in response to the beginning C language student from Saudi Arabia
on [EMAIL PROTECTED] I advised that he start by
going to the beginning of the F-R archives where he can post the first of
the lessons to the F-R list. Then as he works his way through them, he
should CATEGORIZE WHAT C DOES in Standard Everyday English (SEE) or
Standard Everyday Arabic (SEA).

All of computing is a MENTAL MAZE as we read at
http://www.geocities.com/machine_psychology. Chess is also a mental
maze and the Arabic world can give the world another maze game ... a
computing maze game. So I will cc some other lists and we will try to get
a C students study group going among Arab computing students. After all,
President Bush jokes that he was a C Student.

You don't need a compiler (program) to do this. You need only ONE student
in your group who can rough out the menus in English or Arabic. As in
chess, there are ONLY SO MANY MOVES which C can make. The complexity of
the game is created out of this simplicity as it is in chess. It has to do
with the common sense robot described by the free text at:
http://www.msnusers.com/Machine-Psychology. Let's call the robot with
The Mother of all Programs installed a C-BOT.

When you get to the end of the course you will have a menu in a human
language and THE C CODE TO WRITE C CODE roughed out. It doesn't matter
how many errors you make, ie how buggy it is because you can take it to
any one of thousands of C programming experts and they will debug it for
you. After you have had that program debugged and upgraded, COMPUTER
PROGRAMMING WILL BE OBSOLETE because anyone who can use a typical desktop
computer can write programs.

Why would the citizens of Saudi Arabia want to spend their lives doing
what misanthropic geek monkey brains like Bill Gates do?

Also when you have completed this exercise you will have an AI-NLP. See
http://www.geocities.com/AI_TEACHING_MACHINE/page21.

POC's education platform is built on the social-political movement of
opencourseware/opensourceware which you can also find out more about on
/AI_TEACHING_MACHINE ... free courseware for global citizens at the
level of introductory computing science. Pass this course and you can
write challenge exams for introductory computing science in BC ... or
anywhere else on the planet.

POC

For fun: http://www.geocities.com/ELECTRIC_ABACUS. Is this correct? If
the Babylonians in Iraq had invented basic electricity as well as
bead-button arithmetic, they could have built a modern 1940's era
computer?

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Re: [CTRL] Scott Ritter: If You Had Seen What I Have Seen

2004-10-15 Thread Party of Citizens

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That is what POC has been saying all along. Judas Blix played his part.
How could he have done more to foster uncertainty and bring it on?

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On Mon, 11 Oct 2004, Bill Shannon wrote:

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 Scott Ritter: If you had seen what I have seen
 The inspection process was rigged to create uncertainty over WMD to bolster
 the US and UK's case for war
 10 October 2004
 It appears that the last vestiges of perceived legitimacy regarding the
 decision of President George Bush and Tony Blair to invade Iraq have been
 eliminated with the release this week of the Iraq Survey Group's final
 report on Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. The report's author, Charles
 Duelfer, underscored the finality of what the world had come to accept in
 the 18 months since the invasion of Iraq - that there were no stockpiles of
 WMD, or programmes to produce WMD. Despite public statements made before the
 war by Bush, Blair and officials and pundits on both sides of the Atlantic
 to the contrary, the ISG report concludes that all of Iraq's WMD stockpiles
 had been destroyed in 1991, and WMD programmes and facilities dismantled by
 1996.
 Duelfer's report does speak of Saddam Hussein's intent to acquire WMD once
 economic sanctions were lifted and UN inspections ended (although this
 conclusion is acknowledged to be derived from fragmentary and speculative
 sources). This judgement has been seized by Bush and Blair as they scramble
 to re-justify their respective decisions to wage war. The Duelfer report
 showed that Saddam was systematically gaming the system, using the UN
 oil-for-food programme to try to influence countries and companies in an
 effort to undermine sanctions, Bush said. He was doing so with the intent
 of restarting his weapons programme once the world looked away. Blair, for
 his part, has apologised for relying on faulty intelligence, but not for his
 decision to go to war. The mantra from both camps remains that the world is
 a safer place with Saddam behind bars.
 But is it? When one examines the reality of the situation on the ground in
 Iraq today, it seems hard to draw any conclusion that postulates a scenario
 built around the notion of an improved environment of stability and security
  Indeed, many Iraqis hold that life under Saddam was a better option than
 the life they are facing under an increasingly violent and destabilising
 US-led occupation. The ultimate condemnation of the failure and futility of
 the US-UK effort in Iraq is that if Saddam were released from his prison
 cell and participated in the elections scheduled for next January, there is
 a good chance he would emerge as the popular choice. But while democratic
 freedom of expression was a desired outcome of the decision to remove Saddam
 from power, the crux of the pre-war arguments and the ones being
 reconfigured by those in favour of the invasion centre on the need to
 improve international peace and security. Has Saddam's removal accomplished
 this?
 To answer this question, you have to postulate a world today that includes
 an Iraq led by Saddam. How this world would deal with him would be
 determined by decisions made by the US, Britain and the international
 community in the months leading up to the March 2003 invasion of Iraq. One
 of the key historical questions being asked is what if Hans Blix (who gives
 his own view, right) had been given the three additional months he had
 requested in order to complete his programme of inspection? Two issues arise
 from this scenario: would Blix have been able to assemble enough data to
 ascertain conclusively, in as definitive a fashion as the Duelfer ISG report
  a finding that Saddam's Iraq was free of WMD, and thus posed no immediate
 threat; and would the main supporters of military engagement with Iraq, the
 US and Britain, have been willing to accept such a finding?
 The answer to the first point is that Blix and his team of inspectors were
 saddled with a complicated list of cluster issues, ironically assembled by
 Duelfer during his tenure as head of the UN weapons inspectors, that would
 have needed to be rectified for any finding of compliance to be made. These
 clusters postulated the need for Iraq to prove the negative, something that
 is virtually impossible to do. We now know that Iraq's WMD were destroyed in
 1991. The problem wasn't the weapons, but verification of Iraq's
 declarations. The standards of verification set by Duelfer-Blix were
 impossible for Iraq to meet, thus making closure on the cluster issues
 also an unattainable goal. This situation answers the second point as well.
 Since the inspection process was pre-programmed to fail, there would be no
 way the US or the UK would accept any finding of compliance from the UN
 weapons inspectors. The inspection process was rigged

[CTRL] IS GOD FAT?

2004-10-15 Thread Party of Citizens

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And what did JKKK answer? Since he knows with papal infallibility that God
is White, he must know if God is fat. Maybe Colonel Ric knows.

Z

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On Wed, 13 Oct 2004, Stan Park wrote:

 Hello Dope. Chief Stan Lee still not get answer from great Rabbi Knight. Rabbi say 
 God WHITE MAN. Rabbi must know. - Is GOD FAT?

 Bongo Bongo Tribe want answer to know for dinner.

 Chief Stan Lee

 Israelite Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message -
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 You write this kind of trash and call yourself a Christian?

 If Jesus or Paul had thought the way you do, Christianity would never have spread 
 past the apostles. I seem to remember that Jesus thought that the criminals and 
 outcasts of society were EXACTLY the people to whom he needed to preach.

 You should be ashamed of yourself.

 CK Dexter Haven
 Straight Dope Staff

 About the only thing correct about this post is your name--you certainly are a dope.

 Whether or not you're a straight dope depends on how much you insist on continuing 
 to blaspheme Jesus and God.  Here's what the Scripture says about niggers and jews:

 Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that 
 rise up against thee? I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies, 
 Psalms 139:21-22

 I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies. 
 Amos 5:21

 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of 
 the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge 
 thy neighbor, Leviticus 19:15

 Ye shall not respect persons in judgment; but ye shall hear the small as well as 
 the great; ye shall not be afraid of the face of man; for the judgment is God's: and 
 the cause that is too hard for you, bring it unto me, and I will hear it, 
 Deuteronomy 1:17

 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath 
 righteousness with unrighteousness? 2 Corinthians 6:14

 Now we command you, brethren, on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye 
 withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the 
 tradition which he received of us, 2 Thessalonians 3:6

 Jesus didn't preach to niggers and jews, whether or not they're criminals.  He came 
 only for the House of Israel, and He COMMANDED His Twelve Disciples to go ONLY to 
 the House of Israel:

 He said in reply, I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 
 Matthew 15:24

 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of 
 the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the 
 lost sheep of the house of Israel. And  as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of 
 heaven is at hand.  Matthew 10:5-9

 Excluded are niggers and jews, among others.

 John Knight

 What should a Canada which is by Constitution founded upon principles that 
 recognize the supremacy of God be like?

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[CTRL] [think-for-yourself] [BCPOLITICS] Re: Torture memo that Bush Rumsfeld et al signed off on (fwd)

2004-10-09 Thread Party of Citizens

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Subject: [think-for-yourself] [BCPOLITICS] Re: Torture memo that Bush
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Subject: [BCPOLITICS] Re: Torture memo that Bush Rumsfeld et al signed off
on

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On Sat, 9 Oct 2004, Raleigh Myers wrote:

 Ra Energy Fdn.
 Raleigh Myers
 Worksheet bio
 http://www.igc.apc.org/raenergy/bio.html
 Blog
 http://raenergy.blogspot.com/

 If you want a picture of the future, imagine a
 boot stamping on a human face -- for ever. -
 George Orwell, 1984 http://www.holdthemaccountable2004.com/home.htm

THE CREDO OF THE COALITION OF THE IDIOTS! (Orwell quote)

That is what we have been saying the model of world governance is through
our web site links, eg
http://www.geocities.com/universalhumanrightscanada/torturescale and of
course Canada was betrayed by the cowardly and treasonous Supreme Court of
Canada which bought into it, http://www.treasonbysupremecourtofcanada

Z

 The Torture memo that Bush Rumsfeld etal signed off on. The worksheet is
 right in your face scarry.
 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/documents/dojinterrogationmemo20020
 01.pdf

 Torture blog with the other stuff since Nixon.
 http://raenergy.igc.org/Torture.html

 Bush says I love our values_Torture_Piracy_Fascism
 http://raenergy.blogspot.com/2004/10/bush-says-i-love-our-valuestorture.html

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 DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE in song is the first step to a fascism free
 planet
 THIS LAND IS YOUR LAND, THIS LAND IS MY LAND, THIS LAND IS MADE FOR YOU
 AND ME

 IMAGINE: WE are children of the universe, no less than the trees and the
 stars; WE ALL have a right to be here

 START SINGING THE PLANET'S ANTHEM AT ALL EVENTS TO SHOW HOW WE HAVE
 ALREADY VOTED.
 This would get some air time if we did it at GOP campaign events even in
 congress this Summer and fall and beyond after all it is the anthem of
 the Age of Aquarius no. We suggested that THIS LAND be the Global
 Village Planetary anthem at Woodies celebration in San Francisco at the
 Geary Theater in 1967. It was seconded by three ambassadors and has
 become the second third fourth etc. anthems to many countries.

 FOLKSAY(people say)  has become Our defacto Global Village
 Planetary anthem and in essence we voted for citizen empowerment as we
 sung it. Now let's get it officially on record by singing it everywhere
 as direct democracy.
 THE DAWNING OF THE AGE OF AQUARIUS is the reality at hand! The
 children of the universe, the right to be here generation _ the meek
 taking their prophetic inheritance out of probate is not a conspiracy.

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[CTRL] BIIIIIIG DICK!!!!!!

2004-10-06 Thread Party of Citizens

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scroll down only if over 18
























was [CITIZENS_ASSEMBLY] Cheney is a Dick!

I rephrased the subject line. Now your message will be right up there with
the barrage of horney housewives spam.

Z

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On Tue, 5 Oct 2004, * (ADAR) * wrote:



 These articles linked at (pnews.org) News Wiki: http://pnews.org/PhpWiki/


 Chaney is a Dick - I was against going into Baghdad before I was for it
 - The Seattle Post Intelligencer reports Cheney opposed invading Baghdad
 before he supported it. In 1991, then-Secretary of Defense Cheney
 cautioned against U.S. troops advancing into the city, telling a Seattle
 audience that capturing Saddam wouldn't be worth additional U.S.
 casualties or the risk of getting 'bogged down in the problems of trying
 to take over and govern Iraq.' - He said in '92 Saddam not worth U.S.
 casualties - Flip-Flop

 No Intelligence - Prisoner interrogations at Guantánamo Bay, the
 controversial US military detention centre where guards have been accused
 of brutality and torture, have not prevented a single terrorist attack,
 according to a senior Pentagon intelligence officer who worked at the
 heart of the US war on terror. Lieutenant Colonel Anthony Christino, who
 retired last June after 20 years in military intelligence, says that
 President George W Bush and US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld have
 'wildly exaggerated' their intelligence value. - Gitmo not only illegal
 and immoral, it hasn't worked

 Soldier Resistence to War - Although it is not widely known or understood,
 the GI resistance movement had a major part in the Vietnam experience.
 Never before in modern history had the American armed forces faced such
 widespread internal resistance and revolt. Often at great personal risk,
 hundreds of thousands of soldiers, marines, airmen, and sailors dissented
 and disobeyed military commanders, in order to speak out for justice and
 peace. Their struggle hastened American withdrawal from Indochina and
 played a major role in finally bringing that tragic war to an end.
 (September 3, 2004) - * There is also a Growing Discontent and
 Disintegration of Morale in Iraq

 Newly released documents from George W. Bush's military personnel files
 lead new weight to the theory that the White House engineered the recent
 scandal regarding CBS's use of the Killian memos. Acting under a court
 order, on Friday, September 24, the Department of Defense released 10 new
 pages of documents, including an official Texas Air National Guard memo
 which conclusively refutes the technological questions that were raised
 about the Killian memos. (September 3, 2004) - * It was a devious
 right-wing set up!

 His Friends, the Saudis, and Others, Bought Him the Presidency - Bush
 also continued to block congressional condemnation of his friend Saddam
 Hussein as a `gross violator of internationally recognized human rights.'
 The White House chose the occasion of the invasion of Panama to announce
 new high-technology sales (Tiananmen what??) to Beijing and plans to lift
 a ban on loans to Saddam Hussein, implemented shortly thereafter --all
 explained as GOOD FOR AMERICAN BUSINESS. (Cynthia Peters (ed) Collateral
 Damage from essay, What We Say Goes, by Noam Chomsky) - Saddam Hussein
 was acceptable as long as he was OUR dictator and OUR tyrant and using OUR
 weapons. George Bush Senior protected Saddam Hussein, just as the Saudis
 bankrolled, supported and with George's other special friends bought him
 the White House. (October 1, 2004) - * Our Tyrants, Our Dictators, Our
 Weapons

 Republicans Wrote Allawi's Speech to Congress - Dem Senator Diane
 Feinstein was outraged when she read in the Washington Post that spin
 doctors from the Bush campaign had written most if not all of Iraqi PM
 Ilyan Allawi's recent speech to Congress. Feinstein pointed out in a
 letter to Bush that the newspaper made Allawi's optimistic assertions on
 progress in Iraq must now be suspect: To learn that this was not an
 independent view, but one that was massaged by your campaign operatives,
 jaundices the speech and reduces the credibility of his remarks. The
 White House, as ever, denies everything. But the evidence is glaring, with
 many of Allawi's echoing Bushspeak, right down to using identical terms
 oft-repeated by the White House..And, more damning, the White House
 admitted that Allawi had been coached and aided by the U.S. government,
 its allies and friends of the administration. - Allawi's Speech Written
 by Bush Campaign Spin Doctors

 U.S. Killing More Iraqi Civilians - Operations by U.S. and multinational
 forces and Iraqi police are killing twice as many Iraqis - most of them
 civilians - as attacks by insurgents, according to statistics compiled by
 the Iraqi Health Ministry..According to the ministry, the interim

[CTRL] Fw: [SUPERWHITE-SUPREMIST] WHITE KIKE.

2004-10-06 Thread Party of Citizens

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 Subject: [ctrl] RE: [Israelite] White Kike - Yes there are white kiekes
too.
 Most of the kikes wish to look white though it does not make them White as
a
 race.

  Pure White race as such as a pure Black race or a pure
  Yellow race does not mean much.

 clip

 Don't tell infallible Pope JKKK, aka Dr. Danny Amneus, Krazy Kike Krapper.

 And can we improve upon the best of the white genomes? Of course. So we
 create a NEW RACE, even a NEW SPECIES  the Superwhite Race.

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[CTRL] Fw: [UNIVERSALHUMANRIGHTS] THE RULE OF LAW HAS BEEN THROWN OUT OF COURT!!!!!

2004-10-04 Thread Party of Citizens

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Subject: [UNIVERSALHUMANRIGHTS] THE RULE OF LAW HAS BEEN THROWN OUT OF
COURT!

 and the Constitution has been shredded by NWO tyrants.

 http://www.geocities.com/treasonbysupremecourtofcanada

 What are you, Prime Minister Martin, going to do about it?

 Z

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 Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 8:24 AM
 Subject: McDonough Speech at fundraiser for interveners at Arar Inquiry

  Alexa McDonough, MP Halifax

  Speech to The Muslim community Council of Ottawa-Gatineau
  October 2, 2004

  Ottawa, ON

  Esteemed Imams, Parliamentary Colleague, friends, Salem Alekum

  I want to thank the Muslim Community Council of Ottawa - Gatineau for
 inviting me to join you this evening. I am delighted to have this
 opportunity to support you in your struggle for justice.

  You are to be congratulated on seeking and gaining intervener status in
 the Maher Arar Public Inquiry. You are absolutely correct in your
assertion,
 and I quote from your letter of invitation to this evening's event, that
 the basic rights of Canadians at large have diminished since September 11,
 2001.

  It's a perverse irony that the suspension of due process of law:

  - Lack of transparency
  - Trashing of presumption of innocence
  - Arbitrary illegal detentions
  - Lack of accountability of Canadian security forces
  - Targeting and profiling of Muslims

  All of these atrocities are taking place in the name of National
Security.

  Combine this with the pursuit of security through unbridled armament and
 militarization, and what we've got, in the words of Noble Prize winner
John
 Polanyi, is a pandemic of insecurity.

  Many here tonight have spent most of our waking moments since 9/11
 desperately fighting those dangerous practices and misguided policy
choices.

  When US Congresswoman Barbara Lee stood against George Bush's us vs.
 them polarization post 9/11, pleading that, in the attempt to defeat
 terrorism, let us not become the enemy we deplore, she was directing her
 pleas to George Bush.

  Even as we fought against the excesses and abuses of Bill C-36 here in
 Canada, I don't think we imagined in our most pessimistic moments that our
 own government would so thoroughly dismiss Barbara Lee's warnings, and so
 brutally trample on our own citizens most fundamental human rights and
civil
 liberties.

  Nor could we have imagined our own Prime Minister dragging us into the
 sheer madness of Bush's ballistic missile defence.

  It may have been necessary to remind Jean Chretién about Canadians'
 devotion to internationalism and rule of law after witnessing the
 mobilization of millions of Canadians against the war on Iraq. Jean
Chretién
 got it, and said no to any Canadian participation in Bush's war.

  Sadly, Paul martin, supported by his Foreign Affairs and Defence
Ministers
 seems prepared to flaunt international law in the case of national missile
 defence.

  This government's response to the Apartheid wall in Israel is yet
another
 example. In October 2003, Jean Chretién's last month in office, Canada
voted
 at the UN to condemn the Israeli wall as a violation of international law.

  In December 2003 however, Paul Martin's first month in office, Canada
 abstained from a UN resolution asking the international court of justice
to
 render an advisory opinion on the legality of the Israeli wall.

  It gets worse.

  Canada actually wrote to the ICJ, urging them to flaunt international
law
 and refuse to render an opinion!

  When the ICJ ruled that the wall violated international law, documenting
 the hardship to Palestinians, their families and communities, Canada
 abstained from voting on the UN resolution urging Israel to respect the
ICJ
 opinion and Israel's own superior court's decision.

  Such cowardice, such complicity cannot be tolerated.

  No one knows better than Ottawa's Muslim community that this Canadian
 government is tolerating violations of international law, abroad and here
at
 home.

  The case of Maher Arar is a perfect example.

  It's what brings us here together this evening...to help raise funds for
 your Council's legal team to intervene at the Inquiry.

  Change Maher Arar's name.

  Change the name of the country.

  Then tell how that country shared confidential information about its own
 citizen with a foreign government, abetted his deportation to a third
 country to be imprisoned and tortured, and then offered to elicit
 information and pass it along to secret agents.

  We would stand up and ferociously condemn that country wouldn't we?

  We would condemn it as undemocratic and authoritarian, and we would
demand

[CTRL] [COUNCILFIRE] Frank Paul: An Extra-Judicial Execution? (fwd)

2004-10-01 Thread Party of Citizens

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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 13:11:09 -0700 (PDT)
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: [COUNCILFIRE] Frank Paul: An Extra-Judicial Execution?

Ask Professor Alston, Special Rapporteur to the UN on extra-judicial
executions. Though the Chief Complaint Commissioner called for a public
inquiry, it has been suppressed by the governments here.

Why? They say it would be too disruptive. No kidding! Frank Paul was
sentenced to death in a cold, wet Vancouver alley and guess who is NOT
calling for a public inquiry? Mayor Dr. Campbell, RCMP torturer trained in
the abuse of public health for population control and says the homeless
cannot even have a pup tent to stave off illness and death.

The sentencing of Frank Paul to that fate is irrefutable. It is fact. What
else is there to it? What exactly was the wording of the sentence? Who
issued it? For what purpose? Was it legal and constitutional?

Z

  http://www.geocities.com/partyofcitizens
  Citizens for the inherent dignity and worth of the human person
  Quoted words from UDHR/CAT

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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 12:49:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Stan Park [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Rezmovitz [EMAIL PROTECTED],
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Subject: [UNIVERSALHUMANRIGHTS] Safe Streets, Stan's Box,
 Frank Paul's Death Sentence

OK and we put the 1,200 homeless people on Vancouver streets in those
boxes on barges (as they have in Europe) after the Safe Streets Act is
passed.

NOW PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THIS:

It makes police and everyone else look foolish to put them in the boxes
every day and have them run back out onto the street as some will do.
Also jails are too costly at $70/day and we don't have enough of them.
Ditto for mental hospitals.

So what do we do to those who commit the heinous new crime under the
Martin-Campbell-Campbell Gestapo of non-compliance? (eg not complying with
the demand that a tax return be filed or not filling out a form as
demanded). Well, ACCORDING TO PRESENT RULES OF THE GESTAPO, SUCH
NON-COMPLIANT PEOPLE CAN BE PUT OUT ONTO THE STREET TO SUFFER ILL-HEALTH
AND DIE ... and that is how they proceed as we can now prove
unequivocally. (So much for Charter Legal Rights like the right to be
presumed innocent until guilty, the right to not be subjected to cruel and
unusual punishment and especially that quaint old idea of fundamental
justice which the black-robed whores of the Supreme Court laugh at).

So WE HAVE A SPECIAL ALLEY for the Box People, set up on the shore by the
Box Floating Condos and they can be kept there to suffer ill-health and
die as Frank Paul suffered and died. Mayor Dr. Larry Mengele Campbell will
of course deny them even a tent to stave off illness. The Gestapo says
this is LEGAL. Ask Prime Minister SS Martin. Of course when things like
this were done in Iraq to POW's some bleeding heart liberals said it was
TORTURE ... but not the Liberals of Canada and BC.

Where to locate this new floating complex if Vancouver does not want it?
Why not Nanaimo since mayor and council seem to think this new definition
of human rights is acceptable and legal. Nanaimo as SS Headquarters

Z

  http://www.geocities.com/partyofcitizens
  Citizens for the inherent dignity and worth of the human person
  Quoted words from UDHR/CAT

On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, Stan Park wrote:

 Travel trailers used to have telescoping units. Make the box so we can telescope it 
 in any direction for a higher ceiling or wider wall.

 Chief Stan

 Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Let's ask Vancouver City Council if they want the Stanley Park box.

 Z

 - Original Message -
 From: Stan Park
 To: David Rezmovitz ; 'Party of Citizens'
 Cc: 'Eszter Csutkai' ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 3:44 PM
 Subject: [FUTURE-CITIES] RE: False Creek Urban Planning ... Build a Better Box

 You know the old saying: BUILD A BETTER BOX AND THE WORLD WILL BEAT A PATH TO YOUR 
 TRAILER PARK.

 How about telling us about a BOX on Future-Cities. A box which will be the size of a 
 cargo container so it can be easily moved by ship or train or truck. It will be the 
 MODULE for our Trailer Park boys.

 Boxes have

[CTRL] Fw: [CRUEL-AND-UNUSUAL-PUNISHMENT] HOW THE CANADIAN CONSTITUTION WAS OVERTHROWN : Gosselin

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Subject: [CRUEL-AND-UNUSUAL-PUNISHMENT] HOW THE CANADIAN CONSTITUTION WAS
OVERTHROWN : Gosselin

 Good point. Welfare State is of course an expression fraught with
 connotations and the Canada Health Act itself creates a HEALTH-AND-WELFARE
 STATE. BTW, does anyone remember when Health and Welfare were merged in
one
 ministry at the federal level?

 CHA's Preamble uses the word WELL-BEING as well as health. You don't
have
 health and well-being worth zip unless people get essentials for health
like
 SHELTER and FOOD.

 ***
 Presently what Martin-Campbell-Campbell are saying is that they can remove
a
 reliable and healthy supply of FOOD and SHELTER to any CITIZEN who opposes
 their way of doing things, no matter how trivial the non-compliance.
 **

 The Supreme Court flunkies made sure they supported this in the Gosselin
 Case in 2002 (BTW, POC platform supports the election and recall of judges
 ...with some restrictions). Now if you remove food and shelter to poor
folk
 what happens? THEY DIE. So it is capital punishment of the poor.

 The Supreme Court of Canada OVERTHREW THE CONSTITUTION in Gosselin and
 neither majority nor minority judges (like Arbour, now heading UNHCHR)
 uttered a peep of protest. They utterly annihilated the Charter rights of
 Canadians. How so?

 (1) By saying the government and society at large have no commitment, duty
 or obligation to provide services essential for health and life to
Gosselin
 (re Charter S.36) they said  that these social-political entities HAVE THE
 RIGHT TO TORTURE AND KILL HER. The right to torture, through
 health-destruction, and murder, poor Canadians was supported by the
Supreme
 Court of Canada in Gosselin. That violates the Charter prohibition of
cruel
 and unusual punishment.

 (2) Since torture and capital punishment (now being threatened daily
against
 CITIZENS) can be instituted without any due process of law, that negates
the
 entire Charter section on LEGAL RIGHTS, including the right to be
considered
 innocent until proven guilty, the right to be properly represented and so
 on.

 Section 7 fundamental justice? Fitting the punishment to the crime? the
 Forget it! There is NO CRIME when poor folk are tortured and murdered by
 Martin-Campbell-Campbell except crime perpetrated by the latter.

 IT IS INCONCEIVABLE THAT COMPETENT JURISTS WOULD OVERTHROW THE
CONSTITUTION
 OF CANADA UNKOWINGLY.

 But not one majority or minority judge in Gosselin uttered the tiniest
 acknowledgement of what had happened. Gosselin was told that she had less
 value than a dog in Martin-Campbell-Campbell Canada, because no government
 official would dare to throw dogs out on the street or deny them food. But
 to all Canadians they said: YOU NO LONGER HAVE ANY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS
 WORTH SPIT.

 The Patriot Act, post-911 etc. certainly brought this on at great speed.
But
 Martin as Finance Minister was working on the how to bring the useless
 eaters of Canada into line and kill them if necessary (ie for
 non-compliance) long before. Nonsense? Test it out. Just one human rights
 audit of the missing million and the 'big picture' will be revealed
without
 any doubt. But the Auditor General of Canada has already said she does not
 care about the fate of 1,000,000 unaccounted-for Canadians. For 1,000,000
 unaccounted for cents, yes. But not 1,000,000 CITIZENS.

 Z
 http://www.geocities.com/partyofcitizens
 http://www.geocities.com/universalhumanrightscanada/torturescale

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 4:57 PM
 Subject: Re: [bcrants] Capital Punishment of the Poor

  Of course there is nothing that says the Welfare State is an
  inheirently bad thing. Places that have had extensive welfare
  states were just as productive as those that didn't. So it isn't
  like our current economic system is like the laws of gravity and
  gravity and orbital mechanics, although conservatives will try
  to act as if it is that way. Nothing could be further from the
  truth. Alternative economies might indeed be possible. Overall
  they never have been tried. One might try arguing commuinism was
  one, but overall it never was practical from the first place.

  Since wealth

[CTRL] COMPLY or DIE ... From Iraq to Canada

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The New World Order in actionwith variations on the theme of COMPLY OR
DIE!

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
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Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 1:37 PM
Subject: [COMMITMENT-ESSENTIAL-SERVICES] Re: ONE QUARTER OF IRAQIS STILL
DEPEND ON FOOD RATIONS, UN AGENCY SURVEY SHOWS

 So the plan is working as it is here in Canada. Do as we say or we take
away
 your essentials ... especially FOOD and SHELTER.

 POC
 http://www.geocities.com/partyofcitizens

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 From: UN News Service [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 11:00 AM
 Subject: ONE QUARTER OF IRAQIS STILL DEPEND ON FOOD RATIONS, UN AGENCY
 SURVEY SHOWS

  ONE QUARTER OF IRAQIS STILL DEPEND ON FOOD RATIONS, UN AGENCY SURVEY
SHOWS
  New York, Sep 29 2004  2:00PM
  Some 6.5 million people in Iraq - about a quarter of the country's
 population - are highly dependent on food rations, according to a new
survey
 by the United Nations emergency feeding agency, which has launched a
 multimillion dollar assistance programme to help the most vulnerable
Iraqis.

  The World Food Programme's (WFP) Baseline Food Security Assessment,
the
 first of its kind in Iraq,

http://www.wfp.org/newsroom/subsections/preview.asp?content_item_id=1960i
 tem_id=1085section=13says that of the 6.5 million people, some 2.6
 million are so poor that they have to resell part of their food rations to
 buy basic necessities such as medicines and clothes.

  A further 3.6 million Iraqis, 14 per cent of the population, would be at
 risk of hunger if the rationing system was discontinued, according to the
 survey. Experts estimate that 27 per cent of all children up to the age of
 five are already chronically malnourished - and without the rations
provided
 by the public distribution system, that number would increase
dramatically.

  Even those who receive rations are still struggling to cope, said
Torben
 Due, Country Director for WFP's operations in Iraq. Although food is
 generally available, the poorest households cannot afford to buy from the
 markets.

  Following the survey, http://www.wfp.org/index.htm;WFP launched a
 one-year, $60 million emergency operation targeting the most vulnerable
 groups in Iraq. It will be providing 67,000 tons of food to 220,000
 malnourished children and their family members (over 1.1 million people),
 more than 1.7 million primary school children, 350,000 pregnant and
 lactating mothers and over 6,000 tuberculosis patients.

  Despite the sobering new figures, Mr. Due had hopes for the long-term
 prospects. Iraq is a country with a wealth of natural resources, he
 observed. Once it stabilizes politically and economically it can take
care
 of this portion of the population.

  But until that happens, external assistance will be required.
   2004-09-29 00:00:00.000

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[CTRL] Fw: [SUPERWHITE-SUPREMIST] God is a White Man

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Subject: [SUPERWHITE-SUPREMIST] God is a White Man

So says JohnKKK, Krazy Kike Krapper. He is 
the "pure of heart" who has seen God and knows for sure. The rest of us have to 
trust his papal infallibility.

ZWHITE SUPREMISTS HAVE IT 
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[CTRL] Fw: [think-for-yourself] PRISONS WITHOUT WALLS

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Subject: [think-for-yourself] PRISONS WITHOUT WALLS

 Another excellent New World Order slogan. Combine it with Comply or Die
 and you get the big picture, globally. There are many subtle, cunning and
 devious variations on the theme, especially when modern bureaucracies get
 involved. Canada, under Prime Minister SS Martin is one of those prisons
 without walls.

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  High Commissioner for Human Rights Louise Arbour and the
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 briefed the Council on their mission last week to
 http://www.un.org/News/dh/sudan/humanassist.htm;Darfur, where they
found
 the population of more than 1.45 million IDPs are living in prisons
without
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[CTRL] Fw: [think-for-yourself] Does Arbour Have a Gun at Her Head? Or, Human Rights Made Crystal Clear

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Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 10:16 PM
Subject: [think-for-yourself] Does Arbour Have a Gun at Her Head? Or, Human
Rights Made Crystal Clear

 Human rights are etheric unless they are spelled out. When that is done,
 human rights can and should become CRYSTAL CLEAR.

 For example, The INHERENT dignity and worth of the human person consists
 only of words from UDHR and CAT. What part of INHERENT do we not
 understand in responding to Prime Minister SS Martin's torturous and
 murderous gestapo in Canada?

 Also, a right isn't worth spit without a commensurate commitment, duty or
 obligation (eg Charter S.36). If all Canadian CITIZENS have a right to
food
 and shelter for example, then society at large must have a commitment to
 provide these necessities for health and life because no individual can
 provide food and shelter solo. Even Governor Arnold would be terminated
 quickly if left to fend for self without societal help.

 For that reason a society which abnegates a matching commitment to
accompany
 the right to food and shelter is a society in which torture, including
 torture-to-death or capital punishment have been legalized ... against
those
 who have committed no crime.

 In the Gosselin Case, the judges of the Supreme Court of Canada must have
 knowingly violated their oath of office because they utterly repudiated
the
 Charter of Rights and Freedoms with its assurance of Legal Rights,
including
 the protection from cruel and unsusual punishment and the right to be
deemed
 innocent until proven guilty.

 SS Martin's sea-to-sea network of gestapos has the power to deny a
reliable
 and healthy supply of food and shelter to the poor on the flimsiest of
 excuses ... even lies. It has the right to legally mete out death
 sentences to one group and only one group in society ... the poor.
Innocence
 is no defense. Thus guilt is assumed and capital punishment is applied
 without the commission of any crime. There isn't even a semblance of due
 process of law or legal rights. So you see where the abnegation of human
 rights leads. If the PMO thinks this is untrue, why does it not just say
so?

 One must suspect that Judge Arbour, who dissented with the majority vote
in
 Gosselin was sent off to lead UNHCHR as a way of distracting and
suppressing
 her. The distraction of greater human rights horrors in Sudan and other
 countries would be anticipated to take up all of her time and talent. Or,
 Martin's NWO gangsters may simply have a gun pointed at her head.

 POC
 http://www.geocities.com/partyofcitizens
 http://www.universalhumanrightscanada/torturescale

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 Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 2:13 PM
 Subject: [beyond_the_outer_limits] Human Right and the United States

  Human Rights is a concept that really emerged after WWII with the
  Universal Declaration of Human Rights which was adopted by the United
  Nations in 1948. The fact is, the U.S. has opposed these rights and many
  of the treaties which developed in the U.N. to guarantee human rights
were
  never ratified by the United States.

  There is the universal right to be free from torture and degrading
  treatment, yet many prisoners (especially enemy combatants) are turned
  over to countries that we have relationships with regardless of their
  human rights conduct, who regularly torture prisoners and in fact the
U.S.
  has come under scrutiny for torturing prisoners in Afghanistan and Iraq
  and in Guantanamo.

  There is the right to be free from arbitrary arrest and from being
exiled,
  but since the Patriot Act, a person can be arbitrary held without
charges.
  The ACLU is suing to get these prisoners released. That is a fight that
  goes on.

  Why is there so much U.S. exceptionalism? The U.S., has failed miserably
  to ratify United Nations Declarations to guarantee human rights in more
  than half the cases. In most instances there is NO United States
  recognized human rights guarantees. To ratify them would cripple the
U.S.
  legal system. And the U.S. has a shameful historical record.

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[CTRL] Fw: [INGRAM] Dignity v Monster under Double-Bush

2004-09-29 Thread Party of Citizens

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Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:04 PM
Subject: [INGRAM] Dignity v Monster under Double-Bush

 Have you both seen that Florida-based movie, Monster?

 Is it politically accurate and up to date? If so, it shows that the only
 dignity a Floridian has under Double-Bush administration is that which
is
 defined by those who do not know dignity from spit.

 Z

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 Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 11:51 AM
 Subject: Fw: [LOGES-DE-CORBEAUX] THE INHERENT DIGNITY (Bush-speak) ... and
 worth of the human person 

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  Subject: [LOGES-DE-CORBEAUX] THE INHERENT DIGNITY (Bush-speak) ... and
 worth
  of the human person 

   all exact words from UDHR and CAT. Whereas Canada is founded upon
  principles that recognize the supremacy of God ... the human person has
  inherent dignity and worth.

   That is what Dallaire and Gosselin taught us about human rights in
 Canada.
  It is what Martin-Campbell-Campbell are trying to revoke.

   To those bastards, with Creepy Campbell leading the way,  the
Gosselins
 of
  the country have less dignity and worth than a dog because no government
  official would threaten to throw a dog out onto the street or do so. Why
 is
  Creepy the leader of this pack of vermin? Because Creepy has passed the
 most
  child-labour-friendly laws in North America. Why not soon expect our
  children to be dying on garbage dumps as they do in other parts of the
  world?

   Oh yes, and Compassionate Campbell, suffering from chronic phoney
 baloney
  syndrome thanks his RCMP training as professional torturer for his
clever
  tactic of denying these less-than-dogs on the streets even a humble pup
 tent
  to stave off illness (and he knows very well what exposure syndrome is
  because of his medical training).

   SS Martin caps it off with his New Gestapo ... the first in Canada ...
  from sea-to-sea.

   Z
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 Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 9:11 AM
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 http://www.fpif.org/

 September 29, 2004
 ~~~

 Introducing a new commentary from Foreign Policy In Focus

 Crazy Mike in Indian Country
 By Jim Lobe

 The reason why Washington is having such a difficult time persuading
 of
  its good faith and its good works in the war on terror was best
  illustrated on the day U.S. President George W. Bush went to the United
  Nations.

 While he told the UN General Assembly that Washington's U.S. belief
in
  human dignity -- a phrase he used no less than 10 times in his
speech --
  was the main U.S. motivation for pursuing the war, two articles that
  appeared in two major U.S. newspapers the same morning offered the
 delegates
  an altogether different subtext.

 The first piece, titled Indian Country, was written by one of the
  administration's geo-strategic gurus, Robert D. Kaplan, a favorite of
  national security adviser Condoleezza Rice, and published on the
staunchly
  hawkish editorial page of the Wall Street Journal.

 Kaplan, who is writing a series of books about the U.S. military,
  extolled U.S. Special Forces operating in small units from forward
  operating bases (FOBs) without direction from any Washington
 bureaucracy
  and outside the scrutiny of the global media as the new perfect weapon
in
  the thankless task of protecting civilization against the barbarians at
 the
  gates.

 As in the days of fighting the Indians, wrote Kaplan, the smaller
 the
  tactical unit, the more forward deployed it is, and the more autonomy it
  enjoys from the chain of command, the more that can be accomplished.

 Unbeknownst to Kaplan and, presumably, to Bush, as well, the Los
 Angeles
  Times that same morning published a front-page article that showed just
 how
  much could be accomplished by such units in faraway FOBs.

 Jim Lobe [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a political analyst with Foreign
  Policy in Focus (online at www.fpif.org). He also writes regularly for
 Inter
  Press Service.

 See new FPIF

[CTRL] [SUPERWHITE-SUPREMIST] God is no more than flesh and blood ...T/F (fwd)

2004-09-28 Thread Party of Citizens

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Subject: [SUPERWHITE-SUPREMIST] God is no more than flesh and blood ...T/F

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004, Israelite Knight wrote:

 God IS SPIRIT because He's the genetic father of Jacob/Israel:

Oi veh!

Ergo, God is no more than flesh and blood?

Yes/No (Aristotelean Logic)

Z

What should a Canada which is by Constitution founded upon
 principles that recognize the supremacy of God be like?

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[CTRL] [SUPERWHITE-SUPREMIST] Taco Benders and Latrinos (fwd)

2004-09-28 Thread Party of Citizens

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:29:18 -0700 (PDT)
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: RicNiemela [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
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Subject: [SUPERWHITE-SUPREMIST] Taco Benders and Latrinos

Taco Benders and Latrinos unite! Make your move to become SUPERWHITE
SUPREMISTS

Long live the Glorious Revolution,

Comrade Z
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  Citizens for the inherent dignity and worth of the human person
  Quoted words from UDHR/CAT

On Mon, 27 Sep 2004, Israelite Knight wrote:

 Dear Colonel,

 Excellent points.

 When Bush proposed amnesty for tens of millions of illegal immigrant Mexicans living 
 in this country, he placed the rights of mud lawbreakers at a higher level than the 
 rights of Israelite law-abiders, which in my mind makes him a leader of the alien 
 enemy foreign power which took control of OUR government.

 There can be no forgiveness for such a traitorous act, not by God, not by his 
 Israelite constitutents, and not by the law of our land.  It was even worse for this 
 Israelite nation than getting us into a war in Iraq which caused the whole world to 
 hate us.  He did this in spite of the knowledge that even more Americans oppose that 
 idea than oppose the war.  It was an inexplicable act, contrary to public opinion, 
 constitutional law, existing federal law, common sense, God's Law, the best 
 interests of the nation (financially, morally, racially), and with little to nothing 
 to gain (other than to have jew Vincente Fox of Mexico love him even more for 
 solving *Mexico's* problems).

 Wouldn't you say, Colonel, that this is proof of an Ashkenazi jew mindset rather 
 than a Tribe of Judah jew mindset?

 Sincerely,

 John Knight

   - Original Message -
   From: RicNiemela
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Israelite Knight
   Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 7:14 AM
   Subject: Re: israelite Globalists are adopting Jewish Laws

   John...The Bush'es certainly act and react according to the wishes of the Jewish 
 Neocons shaping policies today..I do believe that they have adopted a modified 
 British-Israel approach to their status, following the lead of the Jewish/British 
 elements of the Great Sandhedrin that sits in the City, the financial center where 
 gold prices are set while also clipping interest coupons from the U.S. Federal 
 Reserve System.

   I do believe that we can now identify them as a key operative element, or family 
 that is being used to tie together the two obvious leading elements or parts of the 
 One World Crowd--an elite quasi Anglo Internationalist Banking element now joined 
 with the ZIonist/Talmudists who, in their typical cleverness and duplicity,  are 
 using these utopian dreamers  as their useful idiots -- whom they will destroy 
 first, as soon as they canJust as Karl Marx predicted.

   Such actions are a characteristic of these Talmudists whenever they do reach 
 levels of power...as witness those even in the Book of Esther, and in England after 
 a blinded Oliver Cromwell let them back into the country, and they set up the Bank 
 of England using the Crown Jewels as collateral, intermarrying with the Brit. 
 nobility, anglicizing their names and in effect, taking over the Crown through their 
 financial skullduggery...

   They are still at it, and 1913 was the crowining year of their years of trying to 
 capture the massive wealth of America, still treated as a crown colony, and the 
 Bush'es assume that as Judah, they rightfully should lead..

   Yet, we forget that many of Judah's leaders were so antithetical to the Faith and 
 so vile that God removed them, as we saw happen to many of them, Jezebel included.. 
 As a consequence, I suspect that the Hand of God will act accordingly here, as such 
 actions stimulate true Israel to awaken to the truth: that He is still shaping the 
 policies of His people--even if they do not yet recognize it.JRN

   Note: If you wish to be removed from this list, please advise and you will be 
 taken off...
 - Original Message -
 From: Israelite Knight
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 4:42 AM
 Subject: israelite Globalists are adopting Jewish Laws

 Dear Colonel,

 If anything comes close to proving that both Bush's are jews of the Ashkenazi 
 variety, passing the Noahide law must be it.  What do you think?

 Sincerely,

 John Knight

   - Original Message -
   From: RicNiemela
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 5:28 PM
   Subject: Fw: Globalists are adopting Jewish Laws

   FOR ALLAnother opportunity to tell the Truth--About America and what is 
 happening to us!  Noahide Laws from the Talmud!

   There is a growing trend to promote Talmudism found within

[CTRL] e = kc2

2004-09-27 Thread Party of Citizens

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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 12:21:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Israelite Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
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Subject: [SUPERWHITE-SUPREMIST] Re: [METAPHYSICS-100] israelite   Who was
Paul referring to as born oftheflesh in Galatians 4:23?

I did finish it. We ARE spirit ... not matter, eg genes. We POSSESS
bodies. Electric Abacus? The ghost in the machine. What does it mean
that Jesus Christ, an Israelite and MORE, ie a SUPERWHITE SUPREMIST, gave
up the Ghost?

Did He give up His white genes?

Z

  http://www.geocities.com/partyofcitizens
  Citizens for the inherent dignity and worth of the human person
  Quoted words from UDHR/CAT

On Mon, 27 Sep 2004, Israelite Knight wrote:

 You need to finish the equation:

 An Israelite = spirit [read: IS spirit]

 An Ishmaelite = flesh [read: IS flesh]

 This is FROM Paul's allegory.  But this is the FACTUAL part of the allegory, as 
 confirmed in the Old Testament, not the allegorical part itself.

 Tell us, POS, what that Electric Abacus of yours think Paul's allegory actually 
 is?

 John Knight

 ps--we do know that there are other contexts of spirit where it's NOT a reference 
 to an Israelite (like when it's a reference to ghosts).  We also know that there 
 are other contexts where it's a reference to a *TRAIT* of an Israelite (like when an 
 Israelite is filled with the spirit).  But in the above context, an Israelite IS 
 spirit, so it cannot mean ghost, and it cannot be a reference to any of his 
 traits.

   - Original Message -
   From: Party of Citizens
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 2:22 PM
   Subject: Re: [METAPHYSICS-100] israelite Who was Paul referring to as born 
 oftheflesh in Galatians 4:23?

   Here we go flunking Aristotelean Logic 100 again. A=A; B=B. Period. It's a great 
 binary system of maths-logic and that is what my Electric Abacus paper (soon to be 
 released says). Who expressed this kind of mental clarity with, Let your yeahs be 
 yeah and your nays be nay, adding that doing any more comes from evil.

   Spirit = Spirit

   Flesh = Flesh

   s does not equal fc2

   even if the genes of that flesh are snow white.

   OTOH, e = kc2!

   Z
 - Original Message -
 From: Israelite Knight
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 10:36 AM
 Subject: [METAPHYSICS-100] israelite Who was Paul referring to as born 
 oftheflesh in Galatians 4:23?

 Man, major silence?

 Is nobody replying because they disagree?  Or should the question be re-stated?

 Let's try it this way.  Let's PRESUME that the phraseology, punctuation, subject 
 and verb ordering, etc., of  John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and 
 that which is born of the Spirit is spirit is accurate (as every translator who has 
 ever touched it agrees).

 In that eventuality, and in this context (and perhaps ONLY this one context), 
 something can NOT be OF the spirit if it IS spirit, right?

 This is not to say that in a different context in a different verse that it CAN 
 also mean something very different.  But right here, dealing directly with two words 
 spoken by Jesus Himself, it CANNOT mean anything else, right?  Let's pay very close 
 attention to what Jesus MEANT by these two simple words.

 WHO IS SPIRIT IN THIS CONTEXT?

 Genetic descendants of Jacob/Israel!

 Do they have spirit?  NO.

 Can they become spirit  NO.

 Can their spirit be increased, fulfilled, enhanced, or otherwise changed?  
 NO.

 IS SPIRIT A MENTAL CONDITION?  NO, IT'S A GENEALOGICAL CONDITION.

 Can a non-Isralite become spirit?  NO.

 Can an Israelite become non-spirit?  NO.

 Can an Israelite reject or blaspheme spirit?  Yes--by mixing the holy seed with 
 the people of the land [read: any non-Israelite].

 Does that make him non-spirit?  NO.  It only means that his genetic descendants 
 are not spirit.

 Did Jesus agree with Nicodemus when he asked can a man be born again when he is 
 old?  NO.  In no uncertain terms, Jesus' reply was essentially no, you stupid 
 Pharisee, muds cannot be spirit because muds are born of the flesh and can never be 
 spirit.  Did Nicodemus ever comprehend His explanation?  If he was an Israelite, he 
 did.  If he was a mud, he at least pretended that he didn't, to the day he died 
 (just like jews today do).

 Sincerely,

 John Knight

 http://christianparty.net/flesh.htm

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   From: White Christian Israelite Forum
   To: israelites List Member
   Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 10:04 AM
   Subject: [israelites] Who was Paul referring to as born oftheflesh in 
 Galatians 4:23? {06

[CTRL] [SUPERWHITE-SUPREMIST] PK and superwhite DNA-based Machines (fwd)

2004-09-27 Thread Party of Citizens

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Subject: [ai-nlp] Re: [HumanRobotics] mind over machine

PK?

What do we say about a DNA-nanomachine if it is created by something that
actually looks like a machine ... maybe a big Motherboard and it is more
intelligent than any human?

Does it have human rights or should we accord it SUPERHUMAN RIGHTS?

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[CTRL] [SUPERWHITE-SUPREMIST] Re: [ISRAEL_V_EDOM] israelite Israeli Government does not recognize Israeli nation {01} (fwd)

2004-09-26 Thread Party of Citizens

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Subject: [SUPERWHITE-SUPREMIST] Re: [ISRAEL_V_EDOM] israeliteIsraeli
Government does not recognize Israeli nation {01}

Russia offered Birobidjan in the 20's or 30's and it is a great location.
You can almost see Japan from there. Maybe the Russians can lead them out
of Israel to that promised land now and let the True Israelites in.

Z

On Sat, 25 Sep 2004, Israelite Knight wrote:

 Well, now we know why Israel never in half a century ever won an Olympic
 Gold Medal:  Israel doesn't exist.  How fitting for these double-minded
 morons who blasphemy God and Jesus by calling themselves God's chosen
 people!

 - Original Message -
 From: Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: hengist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 4:10 PM
 Subject: (Archive Copy) [israelite (Moderated)] Fw: Israeli Government does
 not recognize Israeli nation {01}

  Bull's eye. Only if all of the churchocrats sustain closed-minded
  bigotry to match that of JKKK will the Edomites retain their support.

  Unless Jesus Christ lied when He said He came ONLY to find the lost sheep
  of Israel (because the torch of civilization had been passed to us from
  the Hebrews and the Patriarchs of Babylon before them) that nation of
  self-identified ANTICHRISTS cannot be True Israel.

  But as for White Right Israelite thing, keep in mind that we will likely
  become Super-White as we colonize the planets and move beyond ... genetic
  engineering and all that.

  As for my super-white pigmentation choice, how about nice shiny yellow
  and black bands? I'd like wings too! And a stinger would be a nice option.
  Guess who should watch his backside thereafter (hint, initials JKKK).

  Zandu Goldbar
  $
  WASP FOR PROFIT

  PS-Thanks for the reminder below. I'm long overdue for a trip to the
  library and a half day of reading the Edomite/Idumaean encyclopedias.

  On Sat, 25 Sep 2004, hengist wrote:

   The [Israeli] Interior Ministry refuses, saying that no such
   nation [Israel] appears on its list. 

   Hmm. must be a Jewish 'thing', ... we wouldn't understand.
   But then again, knowing the Talmudic mind and propensity
   for legal nit-picking. Perhaps, the savants of Esau/Edom
   [see Jewish Encyclopedia (Vol. V, (1904), p. 41)] are just
   a mite leery of their misappropriation of the title 'Israel'.

   http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/10003/

   A Nation? What Nation?
   by Uri Avnery
   (Friday 24 September 2004)

  --
 --

   For many people it is difficult to give up the Zionist myths with which
 they grew up. They try to evade any discussion on this subject - and indeed,
 it is hardly ever mentioned in our media.

  --
 --

   It sounds like a joke, but it is quite serious.

   The government of Israel does not recognize the Israeli nation. It says
 that there is no such thing.

   Could you imagine the French government denying the existence of the
 French Nation? Or the government of the United States of America not
 recognizing the (US) American nation? But then, Israel is the land of
 unlimited possibilities.

   Every person in Israel is recorded in the Interior Ministry's registry
 of inhabitants. The registration includes the item nation. This entry
 also appears on the Identity Card that every person in Israel is legally
 obliged to carry with them at all times or risk criminal prosecution.

   The Interior Ministry lists 140 recognized nations which its officers
 can register. This includes not only established nations (Russian,
 German, French etc.) but also Christian, Muslim, Druze and more.
 The nation of an Arab citizen of Israel, for example, may be recorded as
 Arab, Christian or Catholic (but not Palestinian - the Interior
 Ministry is not yet aware of the existence of such a nation.)

   Most Israeli inhabitants carry, of course, identity cards saying
 Nation: Jewish. This has now become a subject of debate.

   A group of 38 Israelis have asked for the cancellation of their
 registration as Jewish and its replacement with Israeli. The Interior
 Ministry refuses, saying that no such nation appears on its list. The group
 has petitioned the High Court of Justice to instruct the ministry to
 register them as belonging to the Israeli nation. This week, the case came
 before the court.

   The 38 include some of the most eminent professors in Israel
 (historians, philosophers, sociologists and the like), well-known public
 figures and others

[CTRL] Fw: [BCPOLITICS] Re: Canada.

2004-09-26 Thread Party of Citizens

-Caveat Lector-

- Original Message -
From: Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: A. Javier M. M. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 2:43 PM
Subject: [BCPOLITICS] Re: Canada.

 You are welcome to join the BCP list and discuss it. It just gets down to
 using a standard English dictionary definition of gestapo ... one of those
 imported words like kimono I guess.

 Z
 http://www.geocities.com/partyofcitizens

 - Original Message -
 From: A. Javier M. M. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 3:41 AM
 Subject: Canada.

  I don't know your name, but on other way, those I have seen in your web,
 about
  canada, about welfare, and 'new gestapo',,,

  Well, this is other history.

  Political investigation, History and Laws analyze, in fact, give a not
 very
  nice 'photo', not only in canada, but in Europe too.

  Canada, has least population than Spain (About 30 Million), and much
more
 land.

  The politics developed there, since 1990, I remember, where really wrong
 and
  evil, at least what I study.

  This is 'stuff of other box', as we say here.

  Many time, here, we have investigate about 'socialism', about
'Democracy',
  about 'Gender', about 'Europe Constitution'.

  It seems to be a Walt-dysney picture, ¹Does not?.

  But under this, other facts ('Facts', remember)  appear, not from any
  'reveled-books', but from Europena Pairlament, from Premier Minster of
 Canada
  (1989), and many, many more.

  A not very nice reality, is discovered.

  Hope to talk a bout this ,,,

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Internet users by 2001. In 5 years or so, the new EDD, Electronic Direct
Democracy will be fully developed and the CITIZENS' PARLIAMENT will hold
the reins of power daily over the Victoria Parliament. The 1996 Recall and
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[CTRL] Fw: Re: 10,000 people in U.S. work in forced labor

2004-09-26 Thread Party of Citizens

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 Subject: 10,000 people in U.S. work in forced labor

  10,000 people in U.S. work in forced labor

  http://www.sacbee.com/state_wire/story/10854587p-11772265c.html

  The Associated Press
  September 25, 2004

  SAN FRANCISCO - At any given time, some 10,000 people in the United
States
  are forced to work against their will under threat of violence, a new
  report found.

 How many in Canada under Prime Minister SS Martin's gestapo?

 Z
 http://www.geocities.com/partyofcitizens

  The report, Hidden Slaves: Forced Labor in the United States, released
  Thursday by the Human Rights Center at University of California,
Berkeley,
  and a Washington, DC-based nonprofit group called Free the Slaves, was
  based on interviews with social service providers, government officials,
  and labor advocates, as well as newspapers stories published between
  1998-2003 that described incidents of forced labor.

  One of eight cases explored in the report concerned Lakireddy Bali
Reddy,
  the Berkeley landlord and restaurateur sentenced to more than eight
years
  in federal prison in 2001 for smuggling teenage girls from India for sex
  and cheap labor.

  Reddy came under investigation in 1999 after a 17-year old girl died of
  carbon monoxide poisoning in a Berkeley apartment he owned.

  Reddy was also ordered to pay $2 million in restitution, and the report
  said a civil suit associated with the case was settled in April for $8.9
  million.

  Researchers found that almost half of forced laborers work in
prostitution
  or the sex industry, close to one-third are domestic workers, and one in
 10
  works in agriculture. And while examples of forced labor have been found
 in
  at least 90 cities in the United States, most are concentrated in states
  with large immigrant populations like California, Florida, New York and
 Texas.

  I think everyone recognizes this is a very real issue and we're working
  hard to address it, said Jamie Zuieback, a spokeswoman for U.S.
  Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

  Researchers found that victims of forced labor come from at least 38
  countries, but most are from China, Mexico and Vietnam. Some are born in
  the United States.

  The report urged increased public awareness about human trafficking,
  increasing monitoring of workers in sectors where forced labor is
  prevalent, and ensuring that victims have adequate social services when
  they escape.

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[CTRL] [UNIVERSALHUMANRIGHTS] Re: [DisabilityConvention] Alex Jones Prison Planet....This is the New World Order .... (fwd)

2004-09-24 Thread Party of Citizens

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Subject: [UNIVERSALHUMANRIGHTS] Re: [DisabilityConvention] Alex Jones
Prison PlanetThis is the New World Order 

A very timely post. The incredible cunning of the NWO when it comes to
population control and political attacks on the undesirables in society
or surplus population must be assessed as accurately as possible.

Overstate and the message may be dismissed as 'paranoia'. Understate and
victims are like ostriches with head in sand (or somewhere else where the
sun doesn't shine).

That is why our web site WELCOMES correction of definitions, facts and the
result of government human resource audits.

Z

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  Quoted words from UDHR/CAT

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004, ColRevs wrote:

 Dear Colin,
 Rehttp://www.prisonplanet.com   and  Alex Jones

 There is a ton of information at this site and its linked websites such as
 http://www.infowars.com   and http://www.propagandamatrix.com   Here is a
 little about what is discussed.

 Alex Jones documents the facts concerning the Trade Tower attack and how it
 was a government job to provide justification for the Patriot Act (which was
 already written) and other changes in the power structure to prepare for a
 New World Order with a one world government, the philosophy behind the New
 World Order and its relationship to Naziism, the removal of
 our basic rights, the rapid interfacing of the army, the local police, and
 our governmental agencies, and the rapid move towards tracking and watching
 humans by way of camera, sound recording, fingerprinting, microchiping, and
 other.

 This is all substantiated with eye witness testimony, video footage, and
 media articles.

 It appears obvious from what is presented that whoever is behind this plan
 believes that people need to be controlled and does not believe in freedom
 for everyone.  Alex also discusses the history of the eugenics movement and
 its link

[CTRL] [LOGES-DE-CORBEAUX] Terrorist Tactics (fwd)

2004-09-23 Thread Party of Citizens

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Given that the horror of killing extra-national civilians by Iraqi
guerillas is deemed effective as BCTV news reported that 156 have been
killed to date, including 4 Canadians, would we not expect them to
individually target civilians abroad, anywhere on the planet?

And if they do so, how can anyone stop them from kidnapping and
decapitating and filming such hideous deeds all over the world? And then,
who are they when the horror of this could be used by the Coalition of
the Idiots to spark support for them against the evil enemy?

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[CTRL] [Iraq] [U-S-A] Re: [NEWSROOM-L] Terrorist Tactics (fwd)

2004-09-23 Thread Party of Citizens

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On Thu, 23 Sep 2004, opf wrote:

 Right!

 We don't publish photos of the children killed by smart bombs. We have
 'couth'.

You are facing reality. How could the Coalition of the Idiots not face
enormous hatred after killing tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians after
the genocide of about 1,000,000 under the previous puppet presidents.

Z

 Gary Hunt
 Outpost of Freedom
 http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com

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  Subject: [NEWSROOM-L] Terrorist Tactics

  Given that the horror of killing extra-national civilians by
  Iraqi guerillas is deemed effective as BCTV news reported
  that 156 have been killed to date, including 4 Canadians,
  would we not expect them to individually target civilians
  abroad, anywhere on the planet?

  And if they do so, how can anyone stop them from kidnapping
  and decapitating and filming such hideous deeds all over the
  world? And then, who are they when the horror of this could
  be used by the Coalition of the Idiots to spark support for
  them against the evil enemy?

  Z

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[CTRL] R Kennedy Murder ... where does this go next?

2004-09-22 Thread Party of Citizens

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Subject: [LOGES-DE-CORBEAUX] RE: LAPD Chief: A Kennedy Murderer?

I get Discovery as Rogers cable ch 42 in Vancouver. Quite a show! I didn't
perk up until the half way point, ie ho hum ... another batch of
conspiracy nonsense. But it made perfect sense and convinced me that it
is highly likely the FBI guy was telling the truth and LAPD chief was
lying. Where should this information go next?

POC

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On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Peter McMahon wrote:

 Hi there;

 Is this something that aired on Discovery Channel Canada?

 Cheers,

 Peter

 _
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 new media producer
 Discovery Channel Canada
 http://www.discoverychannel.ca
 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 phone: 416.332.4415

  -Original Message-
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  Subject: LAPD Chief: A Kennedy Murderer?

  Guess who is not likely to pass a polygraph test re your hour-long
  program last night on the heinous murder of Robert Kennedy?
  The LAPD Chief
  of Police and the Security Guard who is now living in Philippines.

  LAPD Chief said that their official story must be correct because
  otherwise ALL of LAPD plus judiciary plus others must be
  corrupted. How
  stupid does he think we are? All it takes is a few key players to be
  involved, as in the Passionate Eye alternate theory on the Death of
  Princess Diana in 1997.

  Coincidence that in both cases an Arab was the fall guy?
  Why did LAPD
  destroy key evidence? LAPD Chief says the door frame carrying
  two bullet
  holes and two slugs which would PROVE A SECOND SHOOTER were
  destroyed by
  LAPD because they were not evidence. An FBI Special Agent
  on Discovery
  said he SAW not only the holes but the slugs in them. Guess
  who won't pass
  a polygaph test of these three key players, still alive?

  And the security guard now in Philippines is the most likely
  suspect as
  the one who fired the fatal bullet. Are we going to find that he has
  poured gasoline on himself and self-immolated like White-Fiat-Guy in
  the Diana story, lest he reveal the truth?

  THREE POLYGRAPH TESTS...NOW!

  Z

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[CTRL] [LOGES-DE-CORBEAUX] RE: LAPD Chief: A Kennedy Murderer? (fwd)

2004-09-22 Thread Party of Citizens

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Subject: [LOGES-DE-CORBEAUX] RE: LAPD Chief: A Kennedy Murderer?

Thanks, will do ... excellent show. The late Robert Stack had done one
like it on Unsolved Mysteries.

Z

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On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Peter McMahon wrote:

 Ah, ok, it was Unsolved History: RFK's Assassination
 http://www.exn.ca/ontv/episode.asp?episode=44909536TZ=0

 You want to talk to Termite Art Productions, who produced it for us:
 http://www.termiteart.com/

 Best of luck!

 Peter

  -Original Message-
  From: Party of Citizens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 12:23 PM
  To: Peter McMahon
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: RE: LAPD Chief: A Kennedy Murderer?

  I have the date only, Peter. It was Sept. 10, evening some time.

  Z

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  On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Peter McMahon wrote:

   Do you remember what the airdate/time of the show was
  and/or its name?

-Original Message-
From: Party of Citizens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 11:47 AM
To: Peter McMahon
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: LAPD Chief: A Kennedy Murderer?

I get Discovery as Rogers cable ch 42 in Vancouver. Quite a
show! I didn't
perk up until the half way point, ie ho hum ... another batch of
conspiracy nonsense. But it made perfect sense and convinced
me that it
is highly likely the FBI guy was telling the truth and
  LAPD chief was
lying. Where should this information go next?

POC

  http://www.geocities.com/partyofcitizens
  Citizens for the inherent dignity and worth of the
  human person
  Quoted words from UDHR/CAT

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Peter McMahon wrote:

 Hi there;

 Is this something that aired on Discovery Channel Canada?

 Cheers,

 Peter

 _
 Peter McMahon
 new media producer
 Discovery Channel Canada
 http://www.discoverychannel.ca
 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 phone: 416.332.4415

  -Original Message-
  From: Party of Citizens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 12:42 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED];
  [EMAIL PROTECTED];
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: LAPD Chief: A Kennedy Murderer?

  Guess who is not likely to pass a polygraph test re
  your hour-long
  program last night on the heinous murder of Robert Kennedy?
  The LAPD Chief
  of Police and the Security Guard who is now living in
  Philippines.

  LAPD Chief said that their official story must be
correct because
  otherwise ALL of LAPD plus judiciary plus others must be
  corrupted. How
  stupid does he think we are? All it takes is a few key
players to be
  involved, as in the Passionate Eye alternate theory on
the Death of
  Princess Diana in 1997.

  Coincidence that in both cases an Arab was the fall guy?
  Why did LAPD
  destroy key evidence? LAPD Chief says the door frame carrying
  two bullet
  holes and two slugs which would PROVE A SECOND SHOOTER were
  destroyed by
  LAPD because they were not evidence. An FBI Special Agent
  on Discovery
  said he SAW not only the holes but the slugs in them. Guess
  who won't pass
  a polygaph test of these three key players, still alive?

  And the security guard now in Philippines is the most likely
  suspect as
  the one who fired the fatal bullet. Are we going to find
that he has
  poured gasoline on himself and self-immolated like
White-Fiat-Guy in
  the Diana story, lest he reveal the truth?

  THREE POLYGRAPH TESTS...NOW!

  Z

  http://www.geocities.com/partyofcitizens/GESTAPO
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human person
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[CTRL] [LOGES-DE-CORBEAUX] Re: America a Hated Nation, Thanks to Bush (fwd)

2004-09-22 Thread Party of Citizens

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Subject: [LOGES-DE-CORBEAUX] Re: America a Hated Nation, Thanks to Bush

Sad but true as a result of being a puppet of Yidrael as Nader says.

What did that PM of France call it ... a shitty little country?

Of course Canada can get you out of the mess since we did not join the
Coalition of the Idiots.

Z

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On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, t r u t h o u t wrote:

 America a Hated Nation, Thanks to Bush
 http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/092304Z.shtml

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[CTRL] Fw: [ISRAEL_V_EDOM] New Edom's Puerile Puppet Presidents

2004-09-21 Thread Party of Citizens

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  Nader calls White House Israel's puppet
  "What has beenhappening over the years is a predictable outcome 
  of foreign visitation from the head of the Israeli government. The Israeli 
  puppeteer travels to Washington. The Israeli puppeteer meets with the puppet 
  in the White House, and then oves down Pennsylvania Avenue, and meets with the 
  puppets in Congress. And then takes back billions of taxpayer dollars. it is 
  time for the Washington puppet show to be replaced by the Washington peace 
  show. "It is time for the U.S. government to recognize that this is 
  not just a local conflict anymore. It is a conflict that is producing 
  flashpoints throughout much of the world and endangering U.S. citizens in 
  those countries, U.S. businesses in those countries, U.S. workers in those 
  countries, and endangering our own national security here. It is time for the 
  U.S. government to stand up and think for itself." Speaking on June 
  30, 2004, "Nader calls White House Israel's puppet," WorldNetDaily.com, July 
  1, 2004 
  When 
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subjugation by the Edomite Jews as they are today: http://www.geocities.com/ISRAEL_V_EDOM

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[CTRL] Fw: [ISRAEL_V_EDOM] New Edom's Puerile Puppet Presidents

2004-09-21 Thread Party of Citizens

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 9:56 AM
Subject: [ISRAEL_V_EDOM] New Edom's Puerile Puppet 
Presidents

See http://www.geocities.com/ISRAEL_V_EDOM

  Nader calls White House Israel's puppet
  "What has beenhappening over the years is a predictable outcome 
  of foreign visitation from the head of the Israeli government. The Israeli 
  puppeteer travels to Washington. The Israeli puppeteer meets with the puppet 
  in the White House, and then oves down Pennsylvania Avenue, and meets with the 
  puppets in Congress. And then takes back billions of taxpayer dollars. it is 
  time for the Washington puppet show to be replaced by the Washington peace 
  show. "It is time for the U.S. government to recognize that this is 
  not just a local conflict anymore. It is a conflict that is producing 
  flashpoints throughout much of the world and endangering U.S. citizens in 
  those countries, U.S. businesses in those countries, U.S. workers in those 
  countries, and endangering our own national security here. It is time for the 
  U.S. government to stand up and think for itself." Speaking on June 
  30, 2004, "Nader calls White House Israel's puppet," WorldNetDaily.com, July 
  1, 2004 
  When 
Jesus Christ taught in the Dead Sea region, the Israelite Jews were under 
subjugation by the Edomite Jews as they are today: http://www.geocities.com/ISRAEL_V_EDOM

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[CTRL] Fw: [space-city] Planetary Power Policy

2004-09-20 Thread Party of Citizens

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Subject: [space-city] Planetary Power Policy

 What would it cost to put solar collectors into use at Mercury and relay
the
 electric power to Earth and Moonshine City, then beyond to the Martians
for
 their new colony? How many trillion?

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Re: [CTRL] U.S. Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities to Provoke War With Cuba

2004-09-20 Thread Party of Citizens

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McNamarra ...more "Fog of War"
eh?

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FireBook: U.S. Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities to Provoke
War With CubaBy David RuppeN E W Y O R K, May 1 In the early
1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill
innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public
support for a war against Cuba. Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans
reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban migrs, sinking boats
of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship,
and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.The plans were
developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community
into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel
Castro.America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S.
military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay
and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful
wave of national indignation."The plans had the written approval of
all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and were presented to President Kennedy's
defense secretary, Robert McNamara, in March 1962. But they apparently were
rejected by the civilian leadership and have gone undisclosed for nearly 40
years.What does science tell us about memory functioning in
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[CTRL] Fw: [LOGES-DE-CORBEAUX] Why did Saddam not take General Dallaire's advice?

2004-09-19 Thread Party of Citizens

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Subject: [LOGES-DE-CORBEAUX] Why did Saddam not take General Dallaire's
advice?

 Only Saddam knew for sure that he did not have WMDs. All he had to do to
 avoid invasion was saturate the country with UN inspectors as General
 Dallaire said.

 Was Saddam bent on self-destruction? Or was it that he was led in this
 direction by Blix? Tariq Aziz announced just before attack that IT MAKES
NO
 DIFFERENCE WHAT WE DO ... US WILL ATTACK ANYWAY.

 Who could have convinced him of this (false though it was) but UN? So
Saddam
 played a little cat and mouse with the inspectors to wile away the time
 before doomsday, knowing that he was the mouse.

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[CTRL] Fw: [ai-teaching-machine] MIT - OCW - CNN - ?

2004-09-17 Thread Party of Citizens

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Subject: [ai-teaching-machine] MIT - OCW - CNN - ?

It could spoil the whole scam of educational corporate greed to give away
higher education!

 The MIT OpenCourseWare Update -- Vol. 2, Issue 9

President Vest of MIT told Charlie Rose that MIT's $100,000,000 OCW venture
would do what Michael Sayler of Microstrategy had failed to do. Michael
Sayler's goal was stated as that of providing an ivy-league quality
education to anyone in the world who wanted in and was qualified,
irrespective of ability to pay. So far MIT has not delivered and the comment
of a POC spokesman to David Diamond of Wired magazine stands: It is the
biggest boondoggle in educational history.

 What we are starting with AI-TEACHING-MACHINE will do what MIT failed to
do, at least to the extent of one demonstration college level course. See
http://www.geocities.com/AI TEACHING MACHINE

 The point is this: Unless you actually take the course materials to the
learning student, and apply them in a form from which the student can learn,
you have given nothing of educational value to the student. Free course
materials mean nothing without free courses.

 For $100,000,000 MIT could and should be delivering FREE courseware
directly to the student. Can MIT graduates spell B-O-O-N-D-O-G-G-L-E?

 Now if CNN wants to help global education, why not advertise POC's
educational offering as above? Netizens who just want to add 1,000+ words of
technospeak to their vocabulary are welcome to participate as well as
students planning a career in computing science. Keep up with
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consumer and citizen of the new techno-democracy.

 POC
 http://www.geocities.com/partyofcitizens

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 Subject: The MIT OpenCourseWare Update -- Vol. 2, Issue 9

 The MIT OpenCourseWare Update: September 2004

 A Monthly E-mail Newsletter for Users
 and Friends of MIT OpenCourseWare

 The September 2004 MIT OpenCourseWare Update Contains:
 1. 900 Courses Now Available!
 2. MIT OCW Featured on CNN
 3. Digging Deeper: Course 15.040
 4. A Frequently Asked Question
 5. Comments
 6. Newsletter Available Online at
http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Global/AboutOCW/newsletter.htm

 1. 900 Courses Now Available

 The MIT OpenCourseWare Team is pleased to announce that 200 more courses
have been published to bring the total number of courses available at
http://ocw.mit.edu to 900, 905 to be exact! This publication is very
significant as it represents the halfway mark to MIT's publicly stated goal
of 1800 courses published by 2008.

 Today's publication represents a significant achievement for people across
the Institute who worked with the MIT OCW Team over the last six months,
including the MIT Libraries, MIT's department heads, and most importantly,
MIT's remarkable faculty. More than half of MIT's faculty -- 540 of 950 --
have now voluntarily participated in MIT OCW, and we know that MIT OCW would
not be succeeding were it not for the faculty's dedication to MIT's
institutional mission and belief in the promise of openly sharing their
materials through OpenCourseWare.

 We are pleased to call your attention to the following new MIT courses.
When looking at the complete MIT OCW Course List, look for the red NEW to
indicate courses recently published:

 Aeronautics and Astronautics (link to department course list)
 16.30 -- Estimation and Control of Aerospace Systems, Spring 2004
 16.337J -- Dynamics of Nonlinear Systems, Fall 2003
 16.422 -- Human Supervisory Control of Automated Systems, Spring 2004
 16.652 -- Inventions and Patents, Fall 2003
 16.812 -- The Aerospace Industry, Spring 2004

 Anthropology
 21A.212 -- Myth, Ritual, and Symbolism, Spring 2004
 21A.230J -- The Contemporary American Family, Spring 2004
 21A.240 -- Race and Science, Spring 2004
 21A.336 -- Marketing, Microchips and McDonalds: Debating Globalization,
Spring 2004
 21A.340J -- Technology and Culture, Fall 2003
 21A.441 -- The Conquest of America, Spring 2004

 Architecture
 4.132 -- Architecture Design, Level III: Cuba Studio, Spring 2004
 4.173 -- Digital Mock-Up Workshop, Spring 2004
 4.183 -- Sustainable Design and Technology Research Workshop, Spring 2004
 4.184 -- Architectural Design Workshop: Collage - Method and Form, Spring
2004
 4.212 -- Design Fabrication, Spring 2003
 4.240J -- Urban Design Skills: Observing, Interpreting, and Representing
the City, Fall 2002
 4.411 -- Building Technology

[CTRL] Fw: [LOGES-DE-CORBEAUX] UN's Illegal War

2004-09-17 Thread Party of Citizens

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Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 5:18 PM
Subject: [LOGES-DE-CORBEAUX] UN's Illegal War

 The US does not like losing wars. Vietnam would probably be a much happier
and wealthier country today if it had lost the Vietnam War.

 Anan should talk about illegal wars. The UN has more blood on its hands
than any country despite its hypocritical rhetoric. Wasn't it the Belgians
who tore up their blue berets when they returned home after having their
comrades slaughtered by UN incomptency? Incompetency either feigned or
deliberate. What happened to General Dallaire, one of Canada's military
heros? The UN destroyed his mental health with its incompetency. Who could
tell what Blix was up to except for treachery? Blix/UN were responsible for
the misinformation which caused the Iraq War. The iffy statements they
kept issuing about WMDs would have made anybody doubt ... Bush and the CIA
did doubt. Then they acted. What else would Blix and the UN have expected?
Dallaire said to saturate Iraq with UN inspectors and that would prevent
war. But the UN and Blix had convinced Saddam that war was inevitable so
Iraq did not do the one thing which could have prevented war. The UN keeps
war and misery going. How else could pompous buffoons like Anan find
employment?

 Now let's think like Dallaire on military strategy. In Rwanda he said,
First we put the people we are here to protect in safe places we can defend
for a while. He realized that the soccer stadiums of Rwanda would do the
job. Then we fight it out with the combatants and WIN, he said. The UN would
let him do neither.

 OK, now in Iraq, the US could fight the war city-by-city. For each city
the citizens are first told they must leave for a safe place ... a UN tent
city. If they stay they will be treated as enemy combatants unless they are
hostages. Then the US military sends in tele-robotically controlled machines
to fight in the streets. When the US wins the city, the surrendering
soldiers are relocated to an internment camp prior to rehabilitation and
release. Also under UN control to assure humane treatment. The civilians
return to the city from the UN camp. The perimeter of the pacified city is
guarded by US military. And the war is taken to the next city.

 POC
 http://www.geocities.com/partyofcitizens

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 Subject: [HumanRobotics] Pentagon seeks ideas to fight 'urban' wars

 Pentagon seeks ideas to fight 'urban' wars
 By Jennifer Harper, Washington Times
 September 12, 2004

 Urban-canyon flying vehicles, persistent staring reconnaissance and
perching machines may one day prove the weapons of choice among American
troops doing battle in dim city streets far from home.

 That is, if someone comes up with a workable design.

 A public call for ideas to help soldiers on the unpredictable, unorthodox
urban battlefield has been issued by the Defense Advanced Research
Projects Agency, or DARPA -- the unabashedly inventive arm of the Defense
Department that specializes in revolutionary, high-payoff research,
according to its mission statement.

 DARPA is looking for what it calls force multipliers in 11 separate
disciplines, seeking ways to bolster the smaller numbers of U.S. forces
commonly on patrol in the likes of Fallujah or Kabul.

 The official solicitation offers a wish list of futuristic technology,
which includes devices that literally can see through walls or perhaps
spirit a soldier out of a hazardous position.

 Systems of interest include capabilities to detect and characterize
personnel and equipment in severe urban clutter and through external and
internal building walls; flying/perching machines able to carry and operate
communications and sensor payloads; survivable urban-canyon flying
vehicles, the DARPA notice says.

 An initial round of proposals already has arrived, said DARPA spokeswoman
Jan Walker. She would not comment on the nature of the offerings to date,
other than to note, We're very satisfied with what we've received so far.

 The agency is prepared to offer initial grants ranging from $50,000 to
$400,000 to potential suppliers who think they have the right stuff for an
urban battlefield.

 Some of the specifications from the DARPA notice sound like they're from
science fiction, but the agency considers them all emerging asymmetrical
warfare countermeasures.

 Among other innovations, the group is keenly interested in sensor devices
that discriminate combatants from non-combatants, or detect the presence
of rocket-propelled grenades, crude improvised explosives or the odd weapons
of suicide fighters.

 DARPA would like to see troops defeat their urban enemies with a minimal
disruption of the besieged

[CTRL] [LOGES-DE-CORBEAUX] INT-LAW Fwd: Fw: [LOGES-DE-CORBEAUX] Does LAPD recruit forensic morons and promote them to Chief? (fwd)

2004-09-14 Thread Party of Citizens

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Think of what would happen if the Democrats had the testicular fortitude
to openly challenge the Republic serial rapist governor and the Republican
puppet president to open this up with lie detector testing.

Z

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 The LAPD Chief on Discovery said the door frame from
the Robert Kennedy
 murder was destroyed because IT IS NOT EVIDENCE. Say
what? It is evidence
 whether it contained the two bullet holes with slugs
which the FBI agent
 said it contained or not. EITHER WAY. Who would want
to join a PD in which
 the top cop is either an idiot or a liar who lied on
one of the most
 tragic and important cases in American history?

 If the FBI Agent told the truth, then there was a
second shooter and
 Discovery alludes to the security guard who is now
living in Philippines.

 Would LAPD be willing to give a polygraph test to the
FBI agent?

 Z

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Re: [CTRL] GENOCIDE: Culling the U.S. Population and Worldwide

2004-09-12 Thread Party of Citizens

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In the last week we have seen hour-long programs by 
mainstream tv studios presenting alternate forensic theories concerning the 
death of Robert Kennedy and the death of Princess Diana: Discovery on RK and CBC 
on Diana.

In both cases, a very serious and well thought 
outtheory waspresented that these eminent victims had 
becomeLIABILITIES to some other highly placed people in and around 
government. 

Poor folk in Canada are a LIABILITY as far as many 
of the more privileged are concerned. As the latter often see it, those drawing 
welfare and disabilitybenefits of various kinds are surplus population who 
drain taxes.

Post Cold War, we saw the emergence, for the first 
time, of a Canadian gestapo, http://www.geocities.com/partyofcitizens/GESTAPO

Does POCthink tycoon and prime minister Paul 
Martin and his wealthy friends have engineered the liquidation of the 1,000,000 
unaccounted for Canadians stricken from welfare rolls? No. But one must suspect 
that all is not well when the human resources audit is bogus. Only the 
easy-to-find 1/3 of welfare leavers are located and as expected many are doing 
well so they are reported ad nauseam as representing ALL welfare leavers. 
Imagine someone auditing government $ spending and saying that the easy to find 
1/3 of funds represent all accounts!

We must be additionally suspicious when 1,000,000 
unaccounted for Canadians are worth so little investigation while $1,000,000 in 
unaccounted for funds in any public organization would cause a hue and 
cry.

Knowing that "projects" like those below can be 
targeted on innnocent and unknowing civilians should cause us to demand that we 
start doing CREDIBLE HUMAN RESOURCE ACCOUNTING in Canada now.

POC


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  From: 
  hengist 
  
  To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; 
  Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 2:28 
  AM
  Subject: Fw: GENOCIDE: Culling the U.S. 
  Population and Worldwide
  
  
  GENOCIDE: Culling the U.S. 
  Population and WorldwideFrom: 
http://www.healthnewsnet.com/humanexperiments.html

A History Of Sometimes Fatal Secret Experimentation On US Citizens
NOTE: This history leads up to the current massive spraying of chemtrails 
across America and Europe that is well-documented and often fill emergency 
rooms with respiratory illnesses and immune dysfunctions that are host to a 
wide variety of pathologies, largely from the presence of mycoplasma 
incognitus, a microbe commonly used in the production of biological 
weapons. This genocidal policy is well documented in the recent book, DEATH 
IN THE AIR by Dr. Len Horowitz - available at www.tetrahedron.org . In 
context of other genocidal policies, such as with depleted uranium 
munitions in Iraq, the massive culling of global population is clearly 
underway. Pray, prepare and promote a 
LOVE-centric alternative. Without a 
healing VISION that resurrects God-Love 
governance, the people perish. --CR

 history follows:

1931 Dr. Cornelius Rhoads, under the auspices of the Rockefeller Institute 
for Medical Investigations, infects human subjects with cancer cells. He 
later goes on to establish the U.S. Army Biological Warfare facilities in 
Maryland, Utah, and Panama, and is named to the U.S. Atomic Energy 
Commission. While there, he begins a series of radiation exposure 
experiments on American soldiers and civilian hospital patients.

1932 The Tuskegee Syphilis Study begins. 200 black men diagnosed with 
syphilis are never told of their illness, are denied treatment, and instead 
are used as human guinea pigs in order to follow the progression and 
symptoms of the disease. They all subsequently die from syphilis, their 
families never told that they could have been treated.

1935 The Pellagra Incident. After millions of individuals die from Pellagra 
over a span of two decades, the U.S. Public Health Service finally acts to 
stem the disease. The director of the agency admits it had known for at 
least 20 years that Pellagra is caused by a niacin deficiency but failed to 
act since most of the deaths occured within poverty-striken black populations.

1940 Four hundred prisoners in Chicago are infected with Malaria in order 
to study the effects of new and experimental drugs to combat the disease. 
Nazi doctors later on trial at Nuremberg cite this American study to defend 
their own actions during the Holocaust.

1942 Chemical Warfare Services begins mustard gas experiments on 
approximately 4,000 servicemen. The experiments continue until 1945 and 
made use of Seventh Day Adventists who chose to become human guinea pigs 
rather than serve on active duty.

1943 In response to Japan's full-scale germ warfare program, the U.S. 
begins research on biological weapons at Fort Detrick, MD.

1944 U.S. Navy uses human subjects to test gas masks and clothing. 
Individuals were locked in a gas chamber and exposed to mustard gas and 
lewisite.

1945 Project Paperclip is initiated. The U.S. State Department, Army

[CTRL] [THE-DIALECTIC-OF-THE-DIALECTIC] LAPD Chief: A Kennedy Murderer? (fwd)

2004-09-11 Thread Party of Citizens

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Subject: [THE-DIALECTIC-OF-THE-DIALECTIC] LAPD Chief: A Kennedy Murderer?

Guess who is not likely to pass a polygraph test re your hour-long
program last night on the heinous murder of Robert Kennedy? The LAPD Chief
of Police and the Security Guard who is now living in Philippines.

LAPD Chief said that their official story must be correct because
otherwise ALL of LAPD plus judiciary plus others must be corrupted. How
stupid does he think we are? All it takes is a few key players to be
involved, as in the Passionate Eye alternate theory on the Death of
Princess Diana in 1997.

Coincidence that in both cases an Arab was the fall guy? Why did LAPD
destroy key evidence? LAPD Chief says the door frame carrying two bullet
holes and two slugs which would PROVE A SECOND SHOOTER were destroyed by
LAPD because they were not evidence. An FBI Special Agent on Discovery
said he SAW not only the holes but the slugs in them. Guess who won't pass
a polygaph test of these three key players, still alive?

And the security guard now in Philippines is the most likely suspect as
the one who fired the fatal bullet. Are we going to find that he has
poured gasoline on himself and self-immolated like White-Fiat-Guy in
the Diana story, lest he reveal the truth?

THREE POLYGRAPH TESTS...NOW!

Z

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[CTRL] Fw: [METAPHYSICS-100] Godbot

2004-09-09 Thread Party of Citizens

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Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 2:05 PM
Subject: [METAPHYSICS-100] Godbot

 And the people bowed and prayed,
 To the Robot God they made.

 -To the tune of  The Sound of Silence

 See Godbot section of Machine Psychology below.

 Throughout history, weaker men have served stronger men to make the latter
 even more capable and powerful. Biblical metaphysics tells us that The
 Great Satan rules this planet. Thus we might find the material expression
 of TGS in the incarnation of the single most powerful man of his era.

 Today TGS has been raised up from stones, ie silicon. The High Priest,
 Bill Gates, has obligingly put icons (defined as religious symbols) on
our
 monitors. TGS is now the incarnation of the most powerful robot of this
era
 . Grimesbot? DNA-based or mineral-based body ... still the same
 principle prevails for TGS. Weaker men serve the advancement and
enhancement
 of TGS. They can't help themselves. It is their nature.

 What does Grimesbot say? Mwahahahhhahha! More polite than Bite my
shiny
 metal ass (Bender the Robot on Futurama).

 Z

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 Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 8:36 PM
 Subject: Re: [AI-Arms-Race] Progress on Mind II design

  Looking forward to seeing it. The kind of approach at
  http://www.geocities.com/machine_psychology
  relies on brute force algorithms for AI to simulate real human
 intelligence.
  But there is always the prospect of somebody smarter finding a more
  sophisticated algorithm which enables a machine to think its way through
a
  lot of problems.

  POC

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  Subject: [AI-Arms-Race] Progress on Mind II design

   I've been pressing random numbers into my calculator and a picture of
   the machine requirements of mind II is beginning to emerge.

   Using the worst numbers I could think of, and admittedly shoddy
   equations I am confident that human equivalent AI is within the reach
   of NEC's Earth Simulator supercomputer (or no more than 10,000 of my
   dual athlon ;).

   Using much more reasonable numbers in a more refined equation the
scale
   of the computation drops to within the reach of 72 of my dual athlon.
=
   )

   Custom accelerator cards can further reduce the ammount of hardware
   needed to a rack that could fit under my desktop. =)

   I will publish a discussion of my methods (or lack thereof) for
   reaching these numbers in the next draft of my Mind II proposal/
   whitepaper.

   The day may be 10-20 years from now when we will have a HAL...we are
  working on it at Ames...it is not science fiction.
   -Daniel Goldin, Chief NASA Administrator, 2001 AD on Discovery TV
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[CTRL] Z Files: The truth is out there

2004-09-09 Thread Party of Citizens

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Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 5:15 PM
Subject: [METAPHYSICS-100] Re: [Antigravity] Re: Taking gravity head on

 How do you take on something 'head on' which is no-thing, ie not material?
 Is magnetism in the same category?

 Is there shielding which will stop both gravity and magnetism? If so, how
 does one stop some-thing which is no-thing?

 Is metaphysical power in the same category as gravity, ie it is no-thing
but
 has a physical-material EFFECT?

 If so, should physicists not study metaphysics? Is that what the
 Weber-Fechner Law is in psychology, ie a psycho-physical law or a
 metaphysical-physical law?

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[CTRL] [LJ] IMPORTING AMERICA: Send US your tired, your poor, your trash .... (fwd)

2004-09-08 Thread Party of Citizens

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Subject: [LJ] IMPORTING AMERICA: Send US your tired, your poor,
 your trash 

Mount Trashmore in Michigan has become an election issue. Some are
offended that Canada sends its trash to that state. If Michigan doesn't
want it, send it back. In fact send us all of the trash of America.

In the book, Future Water, John Sheaffer tells us how Muskegan, Michigan
built a very nice ski hill by putting trash into sealed cells with a liner
beneath the entire hill in case of a leak. Last night, Discovery TV had an
exerpt on how urban trash is compressed into cells to build up land fill
sites. What we need are cargo container sized trash cells so that they can
be sent to us from ports, truck depots, trains etc.

We could use our two most northern cities which are connected to the train
grid as final destinations: Prince Rupert in BC and Churchill in Manitoba.
Call 1-800-USA-RAIL. How high could we build our Mount Trashmores? Miles
for sure. Could we get them high enough to be Space Ports for Scram
Jet/Rocket powered aircraft which would do trans-planetary runs in the
upper atmosphere at 5,000 mph and also make runs to Moonshine City and
back? Maybe.

Nader is supposed to be some kind of ecology expert. What would he say to
a new chain of Winter Cities between Rupert and Churchill to absorb the
annual American net increase of 2-3,000,000? Over 10 years we would have
20-30,000,000 new citizens.

Winter Cities allow people to get from any point to any point without
having to face inclement weather, at their option. They also have little
or no pollution and few or no traffic fatalities. What other criteria
would Nader want in such cities?

Zandu Goldbar
$
Import/Export Services

PS-Still wondering about making pyramid-shaped (ie stepped) high rises for
our future cities mandatory. Wouldn't they save lives in case of fires and
even earthquakes?

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[CTRL] The Case of the Horny Princess, the Arab, the Chauffeur and the White-Fiat-Guy

2004-09-07 Thread Party of Citizens

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by Agatha Christie of POC

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Subject: [INGRAM] Re: [Iraq] Re:The Case of the Horny Princess, and the ZCS

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 Subject: [Iraq] Re:The Case of the Horny Princess, and the ZCS

  This lady called Diana was a pawn against the English
  Establishment used by the Zionists Crime Syndicate.

 and shape-shifting reptilians from the 5th. dimension or so an infamous
 Ingram guest would tell us.

  The methodology that those clowns follow is very well
  exposed like a prostitute on pavement.

 The irregularities revealed by Passionate Eye were astonishing. Enough
CO
 in the blood of the Arab and the Chauffeur to make them as staggeringly
 incoordinated as a BC premier taking a breathalyzer test in Hawaii. Over
an
 hour for the ambulence carrying the Princess to go 3 miles to hospital. A
 photo-speed detector at the tunnel which sent a ticket to a speeder 5
 minutes earlier and then malfunctioned when the car carrying the Princess
 went through. The White-Fiat-Guy whose car collided with the car of the
 Princess found on military land suicided by pouring gasoline on himself.
The
 only kind of suicide less credible is decapitating oneself with a rusty
 Samurai sword. Gotta be shape-shifting reptilians involved too.

  They are
  against any solid establishment in the world and they
  are seriously thinking that they can control the sub
  ground criminal activities in the whole world.

 Just wait until they get a base in Moonshine City, with ex-pres Bush as
 Mayor.

 We see
  them attacks the monarchy in Britain and Japan, then
  turn their wrath on Catholicism followed by Islam.
  They are processing the destruction of families and
  hold the banner of homosexuality aloft stuck in their
  bases.

 The Anglican Church which Chuckie will head no longer proscribes
homosexual
 marriage but does proscribe divorce. It wouldn't do to have the Princess
 shacked up with the Arab while Queen (or is it King) Chuckie is on the
 throne. So she had to go. Now what if Chuckie marries Barny Frank of
U-S-A?
 England will still have a Queen. Does U-S-A then have a King?

  They think that if they spread these
  corruptions they will control. I can not understand
  how a person indulged in brothel activity be a friend
  with Israel and the ZCS.

  I am not fond of the English Establishment because
  they insulted themselves and accepted working valet
  for the ZCS, and the ZCS is indulged heavily with
  strange sexual 'necropolic' relation with US.

 Speaking of which, what about necrophilia as one of the many sexual
 orientations still to come up for legitimization? What will the Anglican
 church say to that? Necrophilic marriage could have prevented all this.
 Damn ... must be the shape-shifting reptilians making me think this way.

   It is a bizarre world, very bizarre...

 Understatement du jour. Stephen Lewis, Cdn Ambassador to UN called it a
 lunatic world.

 Z

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   Does anybody else have an opinion on that one-hour
   CBC TV special? Like maybe Holmes and Watson?

   Z
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   affair'

 Diana: 'Bodyguard killed for our affair'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=316741in_page_id=1770in_a_source=ct=5

 By CHARLIE BAIN, Daily Mail 08:34am 6th September
   2004

 Claim: Diana's former bodyguard and lover, Barry
   Mannakee

 A sensational claim by Princess Diana that her
   former bodyguard was murdered for having an affair
   with her is being investigated by Scotland Yard.
 Her beyond-the-grave testimony that royal
   protection officer Barry Mannakee was deliberately
   killed in a motorcycle crash 17 years ago is said to
   be on a video filmed in the early Nineties.

 Officers unearthed the 90-minute film - shot by
   her former voice coach Peter Settelen - while
   gathering evidence for the inquest into her death.

 Look here too...
 Skip gossip links to more articles

   a.. Pictures: Princess Diana's suitors
   b.. News: Diana: Seven years on
   c.. Remembering

[CTRL] Fw: [BCPOLITICS] GESTAPO ... in need of a forensic economics audit

2004-09-05 Thread Party of Citizens

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 Dear Buthead:

 Tell us when you are ready to start THINKING FOR YOURSELF instead of
 trotting out jaded jingoisms and have a look at
 http://www.geocities.com/partyofcitizens/GESTAPO when you do discover for
 the first time that you have a mind.

 If an honest human resource audit were done on the missing million what do
 you think it would turn up? And that is why it is not done!

 Zandu the Human Resource Auditor
 $$$

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Citizens for the inherent dignity and worth of the human person
Quoted words from UDHR/CAT

  On Sat, 4 Sep 2004, BitHead wrote:

  Party of Citizens wrote:

  Again you twist and distort and put up straw men to knock down.

  What if welfare-volunteers contribute more to GNP than they get back?
 Does
  that make any difference? ANSWER THAT QUESTION before you start
yapping
  again.

  What the hell has THAT got to do with anything?

  Nothing at all if the issue has to do with productivity and
contribution
  to society (the payback of welfare recipients) vs. the cost of payout
to
  welfare recipients.

  That's only part of the issue and is only rauised becasue government
  can't cover the cost without reaping some benefits for itself...
  The issue has alwqays been getting wrorkers back into private employment
  and off the dole.

  Now again, you apparently are unconcerned about people having the
  ability to support themselves?

  Nobody is self-supporting.

  AR Wrong answer.

  Aha! Civil servants GAI recipients in effect become civil servants.
  Horrors say Bithead and Hutter. That could lead to them having some
  self-respect, some welf-worth.

  To the contrary; it would lead to exactly the opposite.

  Let me guess, ehre/.// you're ticked off because you can't get anyone to
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Re: [CTRL] [ctrl] True Torah Jews Speak Out

2004-09-03 Thread Party of Citizens

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True Torah Jews? You mean like Rabbi JKKK who often refers to the Torah
and the 613 mitzvot?

Z
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[CTRL] [PERSIANS-JEWS-FLIES] Iran Invasion and WW III (fwd)

2004-09-03 Thread Party of Citizens

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What choice does U-S-A have? Iran will become a nation with nuclear weapons unless 
U-S-A attacks. Then the problem of guerilla warfare with 100,000,000 people over a 
huge territory from Iraq to Iran to Afghanistan, all united by one thing only ... 
HATRED of the foreign occupiers. Of course North Korea will supply them with A-bombs 
at some point so North Korea will be attacked after Iran. China will not be pleased.

Z

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Re: [CTRL] Mysterious signals from 1000 light years away

2004-09-02 Thread Party of Citizens

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Perhaps it is a prion which evolved in a distant 
galaxy into an AI form. Biologists tell us prions are not living but they do 
self-replicate. Given enough time, self-replicating complex molecules might by 
chance start saying some interesting things, yet they would still have no more 
REAL intelligence than a U-S-A president.

Z

  - Original Message - 
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  1000 light years away
  -Caveat Lector- 
  
  

  
  http://www.newscientist.com/news/print.jsp?id=ns6341
   

  


  

  

  

  
Mysterious signals from 1000 light years 
away 

  

  19:0001September04

  

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In February 2003, astronomers involved in the search for 
extraterrestrial intelligence (SETI) pointed the massive radio telescope 
in Arecibo, Puerto Rico, at around 200 sections of the sky. 
The same telescope had previously detected unexplained radio signals 
at least twice from each of these regions, and the astronomers were 
trying to reconfirm the findings. The team has now finished analysing 
the data, and all the signals seem to have disappeared. Except one, 
which has got stronger.
This radio signal, now seen on three separate occasions, is an 
enigma. It could be generated by a previously unknown astronomical 
phenomenon. Or it could be something much more mundane, maybe an 
artefact of the telescope itself. 
But it also happens to be the best candidate yet for a contact by 
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Absorb and emit 
Its the most interesting signal from [EMAIL PROTECTED], says Dan 
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(UCB) and the chief scientist for [EMAIL PROTECTED] Were not jumping up and 
down, but we are continuing to observe it.
Named SHGb02+14a, the signal has a frequency of about 1420 megahertz. 
This happens to be one of the main frequencies at which hydrogen, the 
most common element in the universe, readily absorbs and emits energy. 

Some astronomers have argued that extraterrestrials trying to 
advertise their presence would be likely to transmit at this frequency, 
and SETI researchers conventionally scan this part of the radio 
spectrum.
SHGb02+14a seems to be coming from a point between the constellations 
Pisces and Aries, where there is no obvious star or planetary system 
within 1000 light years. And the transmission is very weak. 
We are looking for something that screams out artificial, says 
UCB researcher Eric Korpela, who completed the analysis of the signal in 
April. This just doesnt do that, but it could be because it is 
distant.
Unknown signature 
The telescope has only observed the signal for about a minute in 
total, which is not long enough for astronomers to analyse it 
thoroughly. But, Korpela thinks it unlikely SHGb02+14a is the result of 
any obvious radio interference or noise, and it does not bear the 
signature of any known astronomical object.
That does not mean that only aliens could have produced it. It may 
be a natural phenomenon of a previously undreamed-of kind like I 
stumbled over, says Jocelyn Bell Burnell of the University of Bath, UK. 

It was Bell Burnell who in 1967 noticed a pulsed radio signal which 
the research team at the time thought was from extraterrestrials but 
which turned out to be the first ever sighting of a pulsar.
There are other oddities. For instance, the signals frequency is 
drifting by between eight to 37 hertz per second. The signal is moving 
rapidly in frequency and you would expect that to happen if you are 
looking at a transmitter on a planet thats rotating very rapidly and 
where the civilisation is not correcting the transmission for the motion 
of the planet, Korpela says. 
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frequency.
Fishy and puzzling 
The fact that the signal continues to

Re: [CTRL] NORAD/U.S. Missile Defence: A Detective Story That Gets To Innermost 911

2004-09-02 Thread Party of Citizens

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How about this theory: it is prompted by a fear
that Russia and China will re-unite behind some new ideology and we will have
Cold War II.

Z
http://www.geocities.com/partyofcitizens

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[CTRL] [U-S-A] Princess Diana's Fairy Tale and 1997 (fwd)

2004-08-31 Thread Party of Citizens

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Subject: [U-S-A] Princess Diana's Fairy Tale and 1997

Just watched this on CBC Passionate Eye. Mind boggling. You can't help
but think she was murdered because of the sloppiness of the investigation.

For example, the driver was said to have been 3x the French legal blood
alcohol limit. That would be ~the .161 Premier Campbell blew when he was
arrested in Hawaii. Campbell was weaving all over the road and couldn't
walk a straight line. But Diana's driver was on film 1/2 hour before the
drive and he was shown in great detail crouching and tying a showe lace
and getting up with ease. Perfect balance. He was NOT over bac limit!
The UK investigators who are going over this in 2005 should test it out on
some subjects!

So here's the scoop. How would it look for King Chuck to be on the throne
of UK also as Head of the 60 million member Anglican Church and his wife
shacked up with an Arab? And the Anglican Church does not allow divorce
for a monarch. But it does allow homosexual marriage now. Thus the King
of England is free to marry the Queen of U-S-A, Barny Frank. Now
there's a fairy tale for you!

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[CTRL] Fw: [U-S-A] Queer in the U-S-A, was Re: [THE-DIALECTIC-OF-THE-DIALECTIC] HERE IN THE U.S.

2004-08-31 Thread Party of Citizens

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From: Party of Citizens 

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

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Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 5:28 PM
Subject: [U-S-A] Queer in the U-S-A, was Re: 
[THE-DIALECTIC-OF-THE-DIALECTIC] HERE IN THE U.S.

Sung to the tune of "Born in the U-S-A" 
(Springstein)

This is why we need a new and updated Wiener Book 
in Canada with its specific listings of goodspeak, badspeak and nospeak. For 
example, should we call homosexuals:

fags
queers
homos
fairies
queens
other?

Z

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  RAUL 
  RUIZ 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 5:17 
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  [THE-DIALECTIC-OF-THE-DIALECTIC] HERE IN THE U.S.

  OFCOURSE WE WERE NEVER TAUGHT TO CALL RACES BY A SLANG TERM.
  AND TAUGHT THAT IT COULD BE A VIOLATION OF CIVIL RIGHTS IF WE 
  DID.Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  What 
about just DESCRIBING races accurately vs. 
stereotyping?Z- Original Message - From: "RAUL" 
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U.S. YES SO THERE IS SO MANY REASONS FOR A MAN TO CONSIDER 
STEREOTYPING RACES SINCE IN MY COMUNTY DRUGS AND GANGS ARE AN 
EPIDEMIC, AND I WONDER WHERE IT ALL COMES FROM. SINCE I'VE 
BEEN TO SCHOOL HERE IN THE U.S. WE WERE NEVER TAUGHT TO BUY AND SELL 
DRUGS OR GANG BANG..WE WERE EVEN TAUGHT SIMPLE LESSONS LIKE HOW 
ADOLPH HITLER TAUGHT ABOUT SOMETHING CALLED NATURAL SELECTION. AN 
HOW HE WAS NOT ALL BAD BESIDES THE FACT THAT THE U.S. WOULD HAVE 
BEEN DOOMED IF HE WON THE WAR. SIMPLE LESSONS LIKE THESE HELPED ME 
TO UNDERSTAND HUMAN NATURE AND POLITICAL SCIENCES MORE 
CLEARLY. THE THINGS I HAVE BEEN TAUGHT HERE IN THE U.S. HAVE PROVEN 
TO BE VERY VALUABLE. MATH, HISTORY, NUTRITION, POLITICAL 
SCIENCE. * Let us talk about 
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[CTRL] Kerry in Cambodia Illegally? Ask him!

2004-08-30 Thread Party of Citizens

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Kerry cc'd as above

On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Adam Bruce wrote:

 -Caveat Lector-

 I do not support the Bush campaign and neither do I support the Kerry
 campaign.  However, because I often debate with people close to me on these issues, I
 have recently been put in the position of seeming to support Kerry to some as
 I try to point out that my Republican friends are just as susceptible to
 being manipulated and deceived by the politicians that they trust.  This is just
 one example of what I have found.

 Kerry made a big deal of having been in Cambodia at Christmas time, an
 illegal place to be internationally as we were not at war with Cambodia.  Do you
 think that he was saying this to draw attention to the fact that it was Christmas
 that it happened or was he trying to draw attention to the presence of U.S.
 forces in Cambodia?  Whether or not he was there, I am asking if thrust of his
 point (invalid or not) was that it was Christmas or that they were in Cambodia
 illegally?

 ~~~

 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,108895,00.html (A snip)

 Now, there are serious charges. And let me just review very briefly the most
 serious ones, or, or at least the most interesting ones. The first is that
 Kerry lied about spending Christmas in Cambodia in 1968. Now, you know, not a
 single one of his crew mates has said, Yes, we went to Cambodia with Kerry, not
 another swift boat commander has said he went there or ever heard of anybody
 going there.

 And now Doug Brinkley, the historian, the Kerry historian, has said, no, he
 wasn't there around Christmas. But you remember, Mort, that Kerry had said
 many, many times he was there, even in, as a senator ...

 ~

 http://www.drudgereport.com/dnc93.htm

 TOUR OF DUTY author and John Kerry historian Doug Brinkley is rushing a piece
 for the NEW YORKER: to set-the-record-straight on Kerry's Christmas in
 Cambodia tale, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

 Kerry has turned to author Brinkley for a modification after it was exposed
 that Kerry was not in Cambodia during Christmas of 1968, as he once claimed
 from the Senate floor.

 The Brinkley piece for the NEW YORKER will now say that Kerry was not in
 Cambodia during Christmas, but rather in January, publishing sources tell DRUDGE.

 ~~~

 Now I will repeat the comments and questions at the beginning of this text:

 Kerry made a big deal of having been in Cambodia at Christmas time, an
 illegal place to be internationally as we were not at war with Cambodia.  Do you
 think that he was saying this to draw attention to the fact that it was Christmas
 that it happened or was he trying to draw attention to the presence of U.S.
 forces in Cambodia?  Whether or not he was there, I am asking if thrust of his
 point (invalid or not) was that it was Christmas or that they were in Cambodia
 illegally?

 ~~

 Is it more important whether or not he was there or that it was not
 Christmas?  Is it possible that the memory that Kerry said was seared into his mind
 (probably largely a visual remembrance) involved a wreath here and there,
 perhaps a ribbon somewhere?  Is whether or not it was exactly Christmas even
 important?  Many memories have strong emotional associations so it is entirely
 possible that Christmas was strongly on his mind, like other vets there at the
 time, as he was unable to be with his loved ones.

 Isn't it funny that the very commanders alleged to have contradicted Kerry's
 record were just fine with Kerry's performance (to the point of awarding him
 medals) but switched stances when he got back to the U.S. and TALKED.

 Is it patriotism to lie to the American people or otherwise deprive such of
 the truth, by silence or other means?

 It's like the difference between a father that beats his children and claims
 to love his children more than someone who does not.  Who is listening?  Child
 abusers, that's who?  Now I don't mean to say that all Bush supporters or
 that the veterans in questions are child abusers; this is merely an anology and I
 expect that those caught up in the mindset of blind patriotism are not going
 to understand the bearing of this analogy on this topic.  This is testimony to
 the fact that one's belief system are often blinding, whatever one's beliefs
 are.  I hope this highlights the difference between belief and knowledge.

 To say that Kerry is responsible for the anti-establishment sentiment
 generated by atrocities in the Vietnam war is no different from saying that activists
 or other dissenters are instigators without which everything would be fine.
 Yeah, everything would be fine for those whose interest is in committing such
 atrocities.

 Today, John Kerry may be as corruptible and/or corrupted as any other
 politician.  I provide this piece because it is absolutely necessary to the health of
 our people that, on both sides of the political spectrum, we understand that
 nearly all of us are being

[CTRL] Fw: [Pro_Capital_Punishment] Capital Punishment of the Poor

2004-08-30 Thread Party of Citizens

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Subject: [Pro_Capital_Punishment] Re: [bcrants] Capital Punishment of the
Poor

  Party of Citizens wrote:

  Should government, acting on behalf of society-at-large be permitted to
  mete out capital punishment to the undeserving poor?

  Depends.
  Are the guilty of a capital crime?

 No crime at all. Yet the position of the governments in this country is
that
 the innocent poor can be put out onto the street if they are judged to
be
 undeserving poor and there they WILL suffer ill health and die given
enough
 time and governments have no commitment/duty/obligation to grant them a
 reprieve from the death sentence these governments have imposed.

 What an outlandish statement! Yet if it were untrue you would expect
someone
 from the office of the Premier or PM to say so ... and they do not. That
 silence tells you that it is now fundamental justice in Canada (Charter
 S.7 phrase) to liquidate the innocent poor as long as they are judged to
 be undeserving poor (of course those judgements are made without due
process
 of law).

 What a farce then, this upcoming Health Summit ... YOU CANNOT
INTELLIGENTLY
 DISCUSS NATIONAL HEALTH CARE WITHOUT DISCUSSING WELFARE (ie food,
 clothing,shelter). But this schizoid jabber will go on soon amongst
premiers
 and PM and the media will not ask the important questions will they? Have
a
 look at the quote by Menken, the most eminent journalist of his day on our
 web site.

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Re: [CTRL] [ctrl] Harassment Through Psychological Warfare

2004-08-27 Thread Party of Citizens

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Ha! Wait until it becomes PSYCHIC warfare. "The 
truth is out there".

Z

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  Subject: [ctrl] Harassment Through 
  Psychological Warfare
  http://mediafilter.org/MFF/USDCO.PsyWar.htmlClick Here: Check out "US 
  Domestic Covert Operations 2"-US Domestic Covert OperationsFrom the Archive: WAR 
  AT HOMEFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gary 
  Lee)Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 14:21:22 GMTOrganization: The Gloons of 
  TharfNewsgroups: alt.society.anarchy/** pn.publiceye: 23.5 **/ ** Written 
  7:12 pm Jan 25, 1991 by nlgclc in cdp:pn.publiceye ** Path:crash!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news.bluesky.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.duke.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.missouri.edu!pencil.cs.missouri.edu!richFrom: 
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  pencil.cs.missouri.eduResent-From: richOriginator: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Harassment ThroughPsychological 
  WarfareWhile boring from within, the FBI and police also attack 
  dissidentmovements from the outside. They openly mount propaganda 
  campaignsthrough public addresses, news releases, books, pamphlets, 
  magazinearticles, radio, and television. They also use covert deception 
  andmanipulation. Documented tactics of this kind 
  include:False Media Stories: COINTELPRO documents expose frequent 
  collusionbetween news media personnel and the FBI to publish false and 
  distorted materialat the Bureau's behest. The FBI routinely leaked 
  derogatory informationto its collaborators in the news media. It also 
  created newspaper and magazinearticles and television "documentaries" which 
  the media knowingly or unknowinglycarried as their own. Copies were sent 
  anonymously or under bogus letterheadto activists' financial backers, 
  employers, business associates, families,neighbors, church officials, school 
  administrators, landlords, and whomeverelse might cause them trouble.One 
  FBI media fabrication claimed that Jean Seberg, a white film staractive in 
  anti-racist causes, was pregnant by a prominent Black leader.The Bureau leaked 
  the story anonymously to columnist Joyce Haber andalso had it passed to her by 
  a "friendly" source in the Los AngelesTimes editorial staff. The item 
  appeared without attribution inHaber's nationally syndicated column of May 19, 
  1970. Seberg's husbandhas sued the FBI as responsible for her resulting 
  stillbirth, nervousbreakdown, and suicide.Bogus Leaflets, Pamphlets, and 
  Other Publications: COINTELPRO documentsshow that the FBI routinely put 
  out phony leaflets, posters, pamphlets,newspapers, and other publications in 
  the name of movement groups. Thepurpose was to discredit the groups and 
  turn them against one another.FBI cartoon leaflets were used to divide and 
  disrupt the main nationalanti-war coalition of the late 1960s. Similar 
  fliers were circulated in1968 and 1969 in the name of the Black Panthers and 
  the United Slaves(US), a rival Black nationalist group based in Southern 
  California. Thephony Panther/US leaflets, together with other covert 
  operations, werecredited with subverting a fragile truce between the two 
  groups andigniting an explosion of internecine violence that left four 
  Panthersdead, many more wounded, and a once-flourishing regional Black 
  movementdecimated.Another major COINTELPRO operation involved a children's 
  coloring bookwhich the Black Panther Party had rejected as anti-white 
  andgratuitously violent. The FBI revised the coloring book to make it 
  evenmore offensive. Its field offices then distributed thousands of 
  copiesanonymously or under phony organizational letterheads. Many 
  backers ofthe Party's program of free breakfasts for children withdrew 
  theirsupport after the FBI conned them into believing that the bogus 
  coloringbook was being used in the program.Forged 
  Correspondence: Former employees have confirmed that the FBIhas the 
  capacity to produce state-of-the-art forgery. This capacity wasused 
  under COINTELPRO to create snitch jackets and bogus communications 
  thatexacerbated differences among activists and disrupted their work.One 
  such forgery intimidated civil rights worker Muhammed Kenyatta(Donald 
  Jackson), causing him to abandon promising projects in 
  Jackson,Mississippi. Kenyatta had foundation grants to form Black 
  economiccooperatives and open a "Black and Proud School" for dropouts. 
  He wasalso a student organizer at nearby Tougaloo College. In the winter 
  of1969, after an extended campaign of FBI and police harassment, 
  Kenyattareceived a

[CTRL] [UNIVERSALHUMANRIGHTS] Re: [hr-education-na] Columbia Evening Extension Program: Fall course on International Human Rights (fwd)

2004-08-27 Thread Party of Citizens

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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:25:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: Erhyu Yuan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [UNIVERSALHUMANRIGHTS] Re: [hr-education-na] Columbia Evening
Extension Program: Fall course on International Human Rights

If there is only one superpower, then we are heading rapidly for a world
government. How will the planet be administered by this superpower?

Is POC correct, re our link at
http://www.geocities.com/universalhumanrightscanada/torturescale that
torturous punishment, administered through cunning, deception, lies and
stealth will the foundation of future world government?

POC

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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004, Erhyu Yuan wrote:

 Introducing new course in the Columbia University Evening Extension
 Program:

 International Human Rights

 Faculty: J. Paul Martin, Executive Director, Center for the Study of Human
 Rights, Columbia University
 Duration: September 21 - December 14, 2004
 Date/Time: Tuesdays, 6:10 - 8:15pm

 About the Course

 Organized by the Center for the Study of Human Rights, this unique
 colloquium series addresses seven contemporary issues in human rights and
 international affairs. The class reads and discusses seven seminal books
 on human rights, including Louis Henkin's The Age of Rights, Samantha
 Power's A Problem for Hell: America and the Age of Genocide, and Amartya
 Sen's Development as Freedom. Classes consist of reading reviews and
 discussions led by the Executive Director of the Center, J. Paul Martin,
 as well as other experts from inside and outside Columbia.

 Course Info:
 http://extension.ce.columbia.edu/calendarnet/AgendaInfo.aspx?EventId=13110AgendaId=120592

 About the Evening Extension Program

 The Evening Extension Program at the Columbia University School of
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[CTRL] Pure Communist Construction and the NWO

2004-08-27 Thread Party of Citizens

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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:58:00 -0700
From: Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: IRAQ: MERC MENACE: British organizing yet another mercenary
  batallion

  http://www.geocities.com/partyofcitizens
  Citizens for the inherent dignity and worth of the human person
  Quoted words from UDHR/CAT

On Fri, 27 Aug 2004, grok wrote:

 One corollary of neoliberal

Perhaps libertarian-fascist is more descriptive, Comrade Grok. With
the deceptions of psychopolitics, words lose their meaning. As another
example, anarchist initially meant communalist-equalitarians. Then it
meant advocate of bomb-throwing chaos. Now it just means nut case.

Libertarianism is fascistic because to libertarians a human person has NO
inherent dignity and worth. Human persons have dignity and worth only to
the extent that they can be bought and sold in the libertarian-defined
market place.

 privatization is the impetus
 to privatize of EVERYTHING; meaning privatization of the
 police, the state, and the military on top of everything
 else that can't be nailed down.

True

 But there's nothing Gee
 Whiz novel about privatizing the military either. The
 history of Antiquity, the Middle Ages and the Renaissance is
 replete with horrific and squalid tales of mercenary units
 at every turn, and what they did to the sorry populations
 whose paths they crossed too often... How could all those
 massacres and pillage and rapine have possibly been
 committed by just the small standing (private) armies of
 mere kings and dukes..??

If the kings and dukes have the assets, they can buy armies with them or
anything else. So can communalists with assets.

 And so now we're REALLY slip-sliding into the past/future
 under the malevolent spin-up of capitalism's senile
 dementia: everywhere around the world, ex-soldiers and
 unemployed adventurers (and gangsters) flock to whichever
 banner of convenience is being raised up over what has
 previously been public property... Their flag might as well
 be the Jolly Roger.

By George, he's got it!

 Believe you me: mercenaries today -- deathsquad tomorrow.
 Houston, we have a REAL problem here.
 Maybe the liberal pacifists have an answer..?
 (snicker)
 Workers must understand that these mercenary units are a
 VERY real threat to them *right here in the NATO West*.
 Forget Latin America -- Latin America is HERE. NOW.

Under pure communist construction as Zagladin used that expression in
STP-Moscow, late 80's, the communists would have monopolistic control over
the assets of the world. But a collection of collectives is not likely to
be equalitarian. Thus it is the DOMINANT COMMUNE which will rule the world
under the New World Order...

 And I encourage the private british imperial recruiters to
 come over to Canada (again) and buy off a few more JTF2
 (Canada's Special Forces) a$$holez to go over to Iraq for
 some big bux -- hopefully to not ever come back home and
 cause anti-worker mischief at a future date...

 AND IS RULING THE WORLD FLYING THE JOLLY ROGER. Welcome to the world
of pure communistic construction!

Signing off from the poop deck,

Zandu Goldbar
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[CTRL] Fw: [LJ] Senator Kennedy and Badspeak

2004-08-26 Thread Party of Citizens

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Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 12:19 PM
Subject: [LJ] Senator Kennedy and Badspeak

Kennedy said large-scale hog producers were a greater
threat to the United States and democracy than bin Laden's terrorist
network.
--Des Moines Register, April 18, 2002

 -

 Hyperbole, yes. But he makes a good point about KEEPING THE INTERNATIONAL
 POLICE ACTION against terrorists in perspective. It is a police action and
 NOT a real war. War is metaphor. Drugs take far more lives than criminal
 bombers. So do auto accidents. So does AIDS and many other diseases.

 War is more dangerous language than the Kennedy words above because war
 justifies extreme suspensions of liberty and justice. But wasn't that the
 agenda which the Bush puppeteers made him dance to? The same agenda
 Tweedle Dee Kerry will dance to ... or Tweedle Dee Dee Nader.

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[CTRL] EXODUS

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Will the plutocrats make their Exodus from Area 51, en route to
Moonshine City?

Z

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-- Forwarded message --
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:34:22 -0700 (PDT)
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To: * (ADAR) * [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
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Subject: [U-S-A] Re: [THE-DIALECTIC-OF-THE-DIALECTIC] Pretending to be
Shlocked

  http://www.geocities.com/partyofcitizens
  Citizens for the inherent dignity and worth of the human person
  Quoted words from UDHR/CAT

On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, * (ADAR) * wrote:

 Indecent Society

 Suggesting we're in pretty good shape now defies logic and ignores and
 avoids the problem. Is anyone suggesting that the so-called ECONOMIC
 BOOM is a benefit to most working men and women? No one can prove that
 trickle down actually works? It doesn't. The wealthy ruling classes
 never pay for more than they need,

Of course not. What kind of self-respecting golem keeps pretending to be a
shlemiel, schlocked when the plutocrats treat the peasant masses as
shmucks and shmoos? The ~500 billionaire families are saving their pennies
for Moonshine City from which they will rule over this planet as U-S-A now
rules over the American people through its puerile puppet presidents. This
will be their little planetary zoo.

Z
LEZ

 in spite of any give-backs to motivate
 capital investment. The wealthy ruling classes only invest in business
 when they know they can make a bigger profit. They only hire when they
 must and only at wages which under any circumstances should be considered
 criminal - because this elite is not altruistic or compassionate. It is
 greedy and profit hungry. People don't matter. For them, only the profits
 matter. (August 25, 2004)

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[CTRL] Fw: [CITIZENS_ASSEMBLY] Does MMM = Martin's Murdered Million?

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 Extreme yes, but until a proper investigation is done, how do we know?

 POC

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 Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 1:06 PM
 Subject: [EE_UNHCHR_PETITION] Vancouver Clr Jim Green's Guarantee ... of
 LIFE?

  Clr. Green, re your statement on BCTV News last night, ie I GUARANTEE
IT
  in reply to Kerr of DERA.

  The 27 from Marr Hotel are being evicted. But how many tens of thousands
  have received that threat daily from MHR and over a period of years? How
  many of those have been as scrupulously monitored as the 27 from Marr?
How
  many are dead? How many have thugs killed in service to the plutocrats
who
  govern this province and country? Just asking. What are the answers?
Maybe
  Harvey Overfeld will ask Stephen Harper.

  UNTIL SUCH QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED WHY WOULD ANYONE IN HIS/HER RIGHT MIND
 GO
  INTO AN MHR OFFICE TO BE SUBJECTED TO GESTAPO-LIKE ABUSE ?
  -

  Thus when you say you GUARANTEE a home to those threatened with
  homelessness, do you also mean those threatened with homelessness,
  past-and-future by MHR?

  Z

  - Original Message -
  From: Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 2:08 PM
  Subject: [EndingPoverty] Fw: [UNIVERSALHUMANRIGHTS] Missing Million
  Methodological Issues

   - Original Message -
   From: Party of Citizens
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ;
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   Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 1:56 PM
   Subject: [UNIVERSALHUMANRIGHTS] Missing Million Methodological Issues

   Dear Mr. Choi:

   Just read your article on methodological issues in public health
  surveillance (Chronic Diseases in Canada, Spring 2004). Would you and
  others at Health Canada be so kind as to put your thinking caps on as to
 how
  one might solve the methodological issues surrounding the missing
 million?
  If you go to the National Council on Welfare link from POC's home page,
 you
  will see that well over 1,000,000 Canadians have left welfare rolls over
 the
  past decade. When exit surveys are conducted in BC, only 1/3 of
exiters
  are found and as one might expect, most of them are employed. Employed
  people are easy to trace because they likely have telephones and
 electronic
  trails through employment insurance deductions, tax deductions etc.

   When we multiply the number exiting at NCW's web site by 2/3 we get
  ~1,000,000. These are Canadians who are greatly at risk with respect to
  health problems. The number is considerable, ie 1 Canadian out of 30.
  Moreover, if the social insurance system has failed them it has failed
all
  Canadians because it is there for all to use when they need it. Social
  insurance payouts supply mainly food, clothing and shelter. One cannot
  remain healthy deprived of these essentials. Are the missing million
in
  good physical and mental health or not?

   That is the question we would like answered. How do you think the
  surveillance should proceed methodologically?

   There are all the elements of a good Sherlock Holmes and Watson story
  here. When we asked around about the welfare exiters from the BC
rolls,
 we
  were told by informed people that most likely the large majority of
these
  people had left BC for more welfare-friendly provinces. But that doesn't
  hold up when we look at the trans-Canada picture because much the same
  proportion has exited welfare in all provinces and territories. Have
those
  2/3 exiters found jobs? Not likely because again, employed people are
easy
  to trace. Once in a while, one must entertain the black notion that the
  exiters are mostly the dead. Wouldn't that be at least one way to
register
  success for private for-profit businesses who manage welfare? Also
 playing
  the odds like a Vegas slot jockey we can as well entertain the notion
that
  1,000,000 Canadians have found rich uncles!

   When Sherlock Holmes says, Elementary my dear Watson we can all
 breathe
  a sigh of relief.

   Z

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[CTRL] Fw: [LJ] Re: [ParanoidTimes] LRAD - This device comes across loud and clear

-Caveat Lector-

- Original Message - 
From: Party of Citizens 

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 1:57 PM
Subject: [LJ] Re: [ParanoidTimes] LRAD - This device comes 
across loud and clear

What will they think of next  maybe 
gum-implanted remotely-controlled dispensers-of-tooth-pain to control the 
peasant masses of planet hell while they frolick beneath a huge Fuller Dome in 
Moonshine City!

Z

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kick The NWO 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

  Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 1:40 
  PM
  Subject: [ParanoidTimes] LRAD - This 
  device comes across loud and clear

  "The LRAD is capable of emitting 151 decibles of sound, which is louder 
  than a jetliner taking off but not quite as loud as a rocket launch. Sounds at 
  120 decibels and higher are considered to be above the human threshold of 
  pain. The device is effective at distances of 500 yards and more, especially 
  over water."

  This device comes across loud and 
  clearChristopher Cousins, The Times Record 
  (Maine)08/25/2004

  TOPSHAM-- A small company is distributing new technology, which is 
  being heard loud and clear around the world.

  Really, really loud and clear ... and developed right here in 
  Topsham.

  American Technology Corp., a 35-person California-based company with a 
  branch office in the Great Bowdoin Mill, developed its "long range acoustic 
  device" so person-to-person communication can occur at distances usually 
  reserved for telephones, radios or other communication devices.

  In layman's terms, it's essentially a large speaker, but the device is so 
  loud that a key is required to turn it up all the way.

  "Our's go to 11," quipped Steve Bradbury, recalling a classic line from 
  the parody documentary "This is Spinal Tap," in which a spoofed rock star 
  explains how the volume on his amplifiers go one notch higher than any 
  other.

  The device, referred to by Bradbury and his coworkers as the "LRAD," was 
  recently installed aboard Humvees and other police vehicles in New York City 
  for use during next week's Republican National Convention. It is also deployed 
  aboard warships around the world, in war zones in Iraq and Afghanistan and on 
  oil platforms in Bahrain. It is also being used at the Olympic Games in 
  Athens, Greece, for long-range announcements.

  Bradbury, the company's product development manager, demonstrated the 
  device recently outside the Great Bowdoin Mill.

  "Keep going," he told a reporter and a photographer at least three times 
  as they walked away from the device to test its effectiveness. Even at its 
  lowest setting, a pre-recorded voice track could be heard and understood 
  clearly at 100 yards. At that distance, a warning tone emitted by the device 
  was, as promised in company literature, "highly irritating." And all this was 
  possible with only the power of a 12-volt battery booster device.

  The LRAD is capable of emitting 151 decibles of sound, which is louder 
  than a jetliner taking off but not quite as loud as a rocket launch. Sounds at 
  120 decibels and higher are considered to be above the human threshold of 
  pain. The device is effective at distances of 500 yards and more, especially 
  over water.

  Developed with mostly private funds, the LRAD was designed in reaction to 
  the bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen in October 2000. That terrorist attack 
  highlighted the need for a way for the military to communicate with-- 
  and warn-- approaching watercraft at long distances.

  It looks like a single large speaker, but it's actually an array of more 
  than 70 very small and precisely aimed speakers, which collaborate to emit a 
  focused "beam" of sound. Standing behind it, the LRAD doesn't sound that loud, 
  even at high volumes. In front of it is considered a danger zone.

  Other than vessel-to-vessel communication, it is used for crowd control, 
  building-clearing operations, psychological operations and other uses.

  "People are very impressed when they see it," said Bradbury, who mans the 
  small Topsham office with Ken Winter, director of systems engineering and 
  product development, and A.J. Ballard, another project manager. "This company 
  will be growing in the near future. We're all out straight here."

  Winter said the company is committed to keeping operations in 
Maine.

  "We find Maine to be an ideal workplace and are pursuing a larger 
  manufacturing role for this great state," said Winter. "We look forward to a 
  bright future for our company."

  http://www.timesrecord.com/website/main.nsf/news.nsf/0/677CD27F610BD8FE05256EFB00563D93?Opendocument

  Troops in Iraq Get High-Tech Noisemaker
  March 3, 2004

[CTRL] From the New, Improved CIA (Canadian Intelligence Agency)