Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders
-Caveat Lector- They had nicknames I can't recall, and I'm sure not going to put their real names on the net. Ask around, dear, I'm still not going to put their names on the net; although I got them (not from the inner circles) from the magazine section of my Sunday paper a couple of years ago. I had forgotten them. It didn't seem like a very nice thing to publicize after all that time. Prudy Thank you so much for clearing all that up. Heh heh heh... A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders
-Caveat Lector- Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think he lied about it, he never brought it to the forefront, much like Clinton and his sexual escapades (legacy). I wonder if he'll keep with recently created tradition in the Whitehouse of having dignitaries wait while he has oral sex in the most powerful office on the planet? -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Nessie Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 1:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders -Caveat Lector- ``Everyone who enters into public service for the United States has a duty to the American people to maintain the highest standards of integrity in government,'' Bush said in the memo. This from a guy who drove drunk, got busted and lied about it. Integrety? Gimme a break. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Jackson Returning to Public Life
That didn't take long...must have had second thoughts on how he was going to make those hefty child support payments and still buy those expensive suits:-) http://www.newsday.com/ap/text/national/ap718.htm AP National Jackson Returning to Public Life by SONYA ROSS Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Rev. Jesse Jackson said Saturday he will return to the civil rights stage next week, reversing plans to leave public life to reconcile with his family, devastated by his extramarital affair that resulted in the birth of a daughter. ''The ground is no place for a champion,'' Jackson said. ''The ground is no place that I will wallow on.'' In an interview with The Associated Press -- his first since news about his affair broke last week -- Jackson said he has spent the past few days at home in Chicago with his family, doing ''lots of thinking, lots of praying, reflecting'' about his predicament. Much of the time, he has done this reflection alone, he said, but a lot of it has been with his wife of 38 years, Jackie, and their five children, focusing on ''what we must do to continue to serve.'' It has helped to strengthen their family bond, he said, and made him feel empowered enough to resume his work. ''While my family has wrestled with our options and challenges, we have a rhythm of the family reconciling process, which is way down the road, two years for us,'' Jackson said. ''We will not sacrifice our agenda for social justice and inclusion. ... I'll develop a rhythm that allows me to focus on family and ... the (civil rights) battlefield.'' Jackson said he and his family will worship together at Salem Baptist Church in Chicago on Sunday, and on Monday he will attend a luncheon in Chicago in his honor. But he doesn't plan to speak publicly until midweek, at an annual economic conference that his organization, the Rainbow PUSH Coalition, hosts in New York. Sounding both determined and fatigued, Jackson would not talk about his youngest child, now 20 months old, or her mother, former aide Karin Stanford, 39. ''I will not discuss that any further, any more,'' he said. But Jackson did question whether news reports about the matter were timed to thwart him from his varied civil rights causes, such as leading the opposition against the nomination of John Ashcroft for attorney general. To illustrate his point, Jackson noted that Martin Luther King Jr. received a note threatening to reveal King's affairs during the same week that King was awarded the 1964 Nobel Peace Prize. And, he said, President Bush ''called it strange and suspicious'' when news reports surfaced about an old drunk driving charge at a crucial time in Bush's presidential campaign. ''A two-year-old story was made public,'' Jackson said. ''So, one can sense that there may be some motivation. But ... I accept my responsibility. What we must do here is put our focus not on my pain, but the people's agenda. ''Sometimes, leaders have to play with pain. I'm feeling well. My family is well,'' Jackson said. During his three days of seclusion, Jackson said he received several calls from fellow activists, politicians and some unexpected public figures, such as the Rev. Jerry Falwell. The most consistent message he received, he said, was ''do not let your voice be stilled.'' Jackson said one of the earliest calls came from former President Clinton, to whose side Jackson rushed when Clinton's own extramarital affair threatened to topple his presidency. Jackson said Clinton encouraged him to determine what best helps him cope, and engage in that activity to heal himself. ''His point was, when he was in the depth of his crisis, he had to work out the contrition with his family. He had to work through it, you know?'' Jackson said. ''As a fighter, I'm determined I'd rather wear out than rust out. Not only are the people calling upon me to serve, I desire to serve. I find fulfillment in service. I find healing in service.'' Jackson also fielded a call Friday from President Bush. He declined to discuss their conversation, but said one of his immediate goals is to assess Bush's administration ''by their budget priorities, by their public policy and by their moral tone.'' ''Someone said a saint is just a sinner who got back up again,'' Jackson said. ''When I think about the troubles Mr. Bush has had, and all of us have had, as free human beings, all of us have sinned and come short of the glory of God.'' Newsday.com - AP - Jackson Returning to Public Life.url
Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders
-Caveat Lector- If memory serves me he lied about nothing. He admitted he had a drinking problem at one time and hadn't had a drink in 14 years and at the same time made no admissions to being cited for DWI. Not bringing it to the forefront would not constitute lying. We all know the story about the citation and how it surfaced so conveniently just prior to the election, he didn't lie about, he admitted it. Anyone with any measurable degree of intelligence would know the citation would be documented somewhere in the legal system and foolish to lie about. Then what you're saying is you have knowledge of the hidden history of the Whitehouse well enough to know which former Presidents indulged in the act of Oral Sex in the Oval Office. I'm also quite confident after reading some of your posts on this list that you would never make a statement as such unless you could name the parties involved. Could you give us a quick run down on these people? -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Prudence L. Kuhn Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 3:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 01/21/2001 7:53:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think he lied about it, he never brought it to the forefront, much like Clinton and his sexual escapades (legacy). I wonder if he'll keep with recently created tradition in the Whitehouse of having dignitaries wait while he has oral sex in the most powerful office on the planet? Well, yes he did, and whatever he does about oral sex, the tradition would seem recent only if you're very, very old. Clinton himself was just following in the footsteps of past presidents. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders
-Caveat Lector- Get your priorities straight. I've seen your posts here and your opinions...you should get your morals straight! I quite agree on the alcohol abuse issue as a problem in this country being a serious one, my question is after all this time why are alcoholic beverages not made illegal? I believe I read a post on this list a few years ago that stated one of Clinton's encounters with Monica occurred while Yasir Arafat was waiting patiently in the Rose Garden. I would also say the problems in the Middle East are still not taken care of and are considerably worse than they've been in years. As far as his Job Impairment is concerned, it seemed to be a perpetuating event. Granted sex isn't evil, your just changing the context of my message. It's called morality, the same morality Clinton professed during his first campaign, remember Family Values? Oil Company profits...not so much profits as the citizenry complaining about high energy prices and shortages, or the Environmentalists wanting oil exploration stopped in certain areas. People bitch yet everybody wants to drive that new SUV or 4x4 that keeps sucking up all that gas. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Nessie Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 1:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders -Caveat Lector- Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think he lied about it, he never brought it to the forefront, much like Clinton and his sexual escapades (legacy). I wonder if he'll keep with recently created tradition in the Whitehouse of having dignitaries wait while he has oral sex in the most powerful office on the planet? He lied about it. It came out in the final weeks of the campaign. Drunk driving and oral sex, or any kind of sex, are equivalent only to a deranged mind. Drunk driving is like standing in a crowded room, covering your eyes with one hand while firing a pistol randomly around the room with the other hand. Even if, through sheer luck, nobody gets hurt, it's still a heinous crime for which there is no excuse. Sex, on the other hand, is nobodys business except for the persons actually involved. A case could be made that if doing it in the office somehow impaired Clintons ability to do his job, that he shouldnt have done it there. This case has not been made. If anything, it seems to have made him do his job more efficiently. What impaired his ability to do his job was having to spend time defending himself from this ridiculous charge. Whats more, Clinton killed at least a half a million Iraqis, almost all of them women and children. Anybody who ignores that and gets upset instead about his having had sex, is morally skewed. Whats wrong with you, anyway? Cant you see evil when you look at it? Sex isn't evil. Sex is Nature's WAY. Sex is a GOOD thing. If it weren't for sex, you wouldn't even BE here. Killing women and children so the oil companies can make greater profits is evil. Get your priorities straight. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders
-Caveat Lector- like Clinton is the only one to ever haave sex /oral in whitehouse , come on... What You know becomes a belief as soon as it is expressed ... Sounds like conjecture. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders
http://live.altavista.com/e?efi=467ei=2364195ern=y In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders Deborah Charles 01/20/01 WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Moving quickly upon taking office, President George W. Bush on Saturday issued an order that essentially blocked some of the last-minute executive orders and rules laid down by outgoing President Clinton. The order was believed to apply to such orders as new regulations for managed care programs under Medicare and new environmental rules on runoff from animal feeding operations. It would also apply to Clinton's declaration of the former military post of Governor's Island in New York Harbor as a national monument, a designation Clinton made on Saturday. Bush's move did not apply to the 140 presidential pardons and 36 prison sentence commutations that Clinton issued less than two hours before his term expired on Saturday. Bush's order, signed by new White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card and sent to the heads and acting heads of executive departments and agencies, said the decision was made ``to ensure that the president's appointees have the opportunity to review any new or pending regulations.'' ``It's a way for us to conduct a more thorough and effective review of these last-minute regulations,'' Bush spokesman Ari Fleischer said. The order meant that no new rules could be printed in the Federal Register, which blocked them because the rules cannot take effect until they have appeared in the Federal Register for a period of time. Bush also issued a 60-day stay on regulations that were published in the Federal Register but have not yet taken effect. Some of the blizzard of rules issued by Clinton in his last days in office angered Republicans, particularly his decision to declare nearly 60 million acres of federal land, mostly in the western states, off limits to logging. That order, however, came after a lengthy federal review period and would appear to be extremely difficult to withdraw. BUSH DEMANDS INTEGRITY, DECLARES DAY OF PRAYER Fleischer said the new administration had a variety of options on how to deal with Clinton's orders. ``I expect some will be repealed, some will be amended, some will be kept.'' In other initial items of business, Bush directed employees of his new government to observe ``the highest standards of integrity,'' declared Sunday a national day of prayer and enacted a hiring freeze. In a memorandum to the heads of government departments and agencies, Bush said employees should not use public office for private gain. They should disclose waste, fraud, abuse and corruption to appropriate authorities. ``Everyone who enters into public service for the United States has a duty to the American people to maintain the highest standards of integrity in government,'' Bush said in the memo. The memo, released less than two hours after Bush took the oath of office as America's 43rd president, followed Bush's campaign pledge to ``restore honor and dignity'' to the White House after the ethical lapses and scandals of the Clinton administration. ``It is a living and breathing reminder to our staff and to the nation of the importance that the president himself attaches to high ethic standards and government service,'' Fleischer said. Card sent a separate memo to heads of executive departments and agencies, saying Bush froze hiring until a department or agency head appointed by Bush approves it. He also said each agency head will be instructed to develop a plan to meet Bush's goal of reducing management ranks. Reflecting his deep religious convictions, Bush also signed a proclamation declaring Sunday a ``national day of prayer and thanksgiving'' to celebrate the peaceful transfer of power between him and Clinton. ``On this day, I call upon Americans to recall all that unites us,'' Bush said in the proclamation. My AltaVista In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders.url
[CTRL] How Jesse Invented Himself In Memphis (2)
http://www.sightings.com/general7/jesse.htm How Jesse Invented Himself In Memphis http://www.truefoodnow.org/shoppinglist.html 1-19-01 So it seems that Jesse Jackson was the perfect person to counsel President Clinton about infidelity. As the saying goes, the man knows whereof he speaks. Are you really surprised that Jesse has a secret mistress and love child? You shouldn't be. Jesse is the quintessential lovable rogue - although "lovable" might be a stretch. Jackson (c.), Martin Luther King and Ralph Abernathy (r.) the day before King's assassination Like many - both black and white - I have been mesmerized by Jackson for decades. Modesty is a virtue with which he has never been familiar. I first heard Jesse speak at the National Black Political Convention in Gary, Ind., in 1972. Sporting a huge Afro and colorful dashiki, Jackson stirred the juices, an American Fidel who enchanted his audience for hours as the venom flowed fast and furious. "The idea of looking for racial equality [in America] is a farce," he thundered to deafening applause. Jesse blew me away - and then I got to know him. During his run for the 1988 Democratic presidential nomination, I revisited the story that formed the backbone of the Jackson legend - that immediately after the assassination in Memphis in 1968, Jesse had cradled Martin Luther King in his arms. Building that story helped Jesse assume Martin's mantle - but like much about Jackson, that story was a lie. Jesse Jackson with his wife Jackie at the 1998 Democratic National Convention Hosea Williams, who had been a King assistant, was only one of several people, including former Atlanta Mayor Andrew Young, who told me what really happened on the balcony of the Lorraine Motel on that horrific day: "Right after the shooting, Jesse shouted to us all not to talk to the press," Williams said. "But then I saw him telling reporters, 'Yes, I was the last man in the world King spoke to.' He said he held King in his arms. I knew he was lying - Ralph Abernathy was the one who held 'Doc.'" "I don't know for sure why Jesse says what he says," Abernathy told me in 1987. "He's always had this deep need to project a special closeness to whatever seemed holy." While the rest of King's stunned aides stayed close in Memphis, Jesse flew home to Chicago. The next morning, wearing a turtleneck that he said was stained with King's blood, Jackson turned up on the "Today" show, retelling his tall tale. When I confronted Jesse with the testimony of King's other associates, he dodged artfully. "Peter was with Jesus physically," Jackson said, reaching for a biblical metaphor that avoided a direct answer. "But Paul interpreted Jesus better than Peter did. Peter and them got jealous of Paul and have been trying to ax him out ever since." The King story is only one of many Jackson embellishments. For years, he movingly recounted his impoverished upbringing to anyone willing to listen. "I used to run bootleg liquor and buy hot clothes," Jackson told television interviewers. "I had to steal to survive." His stepfather, he said, was a janitor, his mother a maid. In fact, Jackson's stepfather was a postal worker, his mother a beautician. (Upset by his stepson's fabrication, a proud Charles Jackson told Barbara Reynolds, for her book on Jesse, "We never begged for a dime, and my family never went hungry a day in their lives.") Ever since King's death, no other African-American has come close to supplanting Jackson in the role he most relishes: In private, Jackson considers himself the President of Black America. As he travels the nation, urging the downtrodden to pull themselves up from poverty - one of many admirable exhortations - Jesse still asks his audiences to repeat after him: "I am somebody." Well, Jesse is certainly somebody. He's a world-class piece of work, and it now seems he's been comfortably living his biggest lie for some time. Jesse Jackson is more than somebody. He is two bodies. How Jesse Invented Himself In Memphis (2).url
[CTRL] Clinton eyes $650,000 taxpayer-paid office space
http://www.wnd.com/frame/direct.asp?SITE=dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010118/p l/clinton_costs_1.html Thursday January 18 6:27 PM ET Clinton Will Stay on Govt. Payroll By SHANNON McCAFFREY, Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON (AP) - President Clinton (news - web sites) leaves government housing Saturday for life as a private citizen, but he'll still be receiving federal help. Like other ex-presidents, Clinton will continue to get taxpayer-funded travel, mail, staff, office space and Secret Service protection. Clinton is office hunting in Manhattan, one of the world's priciest markets. The 56th floor suite the president has his eye on reportedly rents for about $650,000 a year, more than twice the $285,000 Ronald Reagan's California office costs taxpayers. President Bush's Texas office costs $147,000; President Carter's in Georgia, $93,000, and President Ford's in Michigan, $99,000. The rent and other office-related costs - everything from pens and pencils to travel - are covered by the government for the life of the ex-president. Clinton is only 54, so taxpayers could be footing the bill for decades. ``That President Clinton is looking in such an expensive area is a great concern to us,'' said Pete Sepp, spokesman for the conservative American Taxpayers Union. Gary Ruskin of the Congressional Accountability Project, a watchdog group affiliated with consumer advocate Ralph Nader (news - web sites), suggested Clinton look for a cheaper office or set up shop in a federal office building. ``We hope he'd help save some of the budget surplus he helped create,'' Ruskin said. The Carnegie Hall Tower office suite Clinton is eyeing is on West 57th Street and has a commanding view of Central Park. In the neighborhood are the famed Russian Tea Room restaurant, the Carnegie Deli and Carnegie Hall. Rockrose Realty, which is handling the property, would not comment Thursday. White House officials would say only that no deal had been finalized. Office rents in Midtown Manhattan average $62 per square foot but can be as high as $100 a square foot in some choice buildings, said Michael Slattery of the New York City Real Estate Board. Manhattan is about an hour's drive from the Clintons' home in Chappaqua, N.Y., bought when Hillary Rodham Clinton (news - web sites) decided to run for the seat being vacated by Democratic Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan. Clinton has not spelled out what he will do after leaving office. He'll collect a $157,000-a-year pension and may hit the lecture circuit, where he could make a lot of money. Don Epstein, chief executive officer of the New York-based Greater Talent Network, predicted Clinton would earn than $100,000 a speech. ``I think that he probably will command more than just about anybody else out there,'' Epstein said. He also could land a huge book deal. Last month, his wife agreed to an $8 million advance for her memoirs. WorldNetDaily.url
[CTRL] Ashcroft approval rising
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=21401 Ashcroft approval rising Poll also finds Bush numbers remain consistently favorable By Jon Dougherty 2001 WorldNetDaily.com As Senate Judiciary Committee hearings into Attorney General-nominee John Ashcroft stretched into Day No. 3, a new poll says Americans are giving the former U.S. senator higher approval ratings than before the hearings began earlier this week. On Tuesday, the committee opened hearings with contentious questioning from veteran senators about Ashcroft's Christian opposition to abortion, his pro-Second Amendment views and his opposition to one of President Clinton's nominees to the federal bench. According to Portrait of America, 43 percent of Americans now rate him favorably, compared to 36 percent Jan. 9. In Thursday's poll, POA analysts said 25 percent of Americans were "not sure" how they viewed Ashcroft, compared to 35 percent last week. Meanwhile, POA said, "President-elect George W. Bush's job-approval rating remains virtually unchanged." Bush, who will be inaugurated tomorrow in Washington, D.C., has an overall favorable rating of 50 percent among Americans, who rated his performance as president-elect as "excellent" or "good." Forty-six percent said his performance has been "fair" or "poor." "This rating has remained mostly unchanged since the U.S. Supreme Court decision on the election," analysts said. Rasmussen Research conducted this national Portrait of America telephone survey of 750 likely voters on Jan. 15, 2001. The margin of sampling error is plus or minus 4 percentage points with a 95 percent level of confidence. The Judiciary Committee is scheduled to hold three hearings with Ashcroft this week. The featured witness Thursday was Missouri Supreme Court Justice Ronnie White, an African-American who was nominated to the federal bench by Clinton in 1999. His nomination was opposed by Ashcroft, who called him "pro-criminal" in his opposition to the imposition of the death penalty in key high-profile cases in Missouri. Democrats and certain advocacy groups, including Rev. Jesse Jackson -- embroiled in a new scandal of his own -- according to reports on Thursday, have tried to label Ashcroft a racist, despite his support for 26 out of 28 minority nominees as a U.S. Senator. WorldNetDaily Ashcroft approval rising.url
Re: [CTRL] Skolnick - The Rev. Jesse Jackson Affair
-Caveat Lector- Are there those on the list who think of Skolnick's info as generally reliable? I believe it was Skolnick who made the dire prediction Maybe he's just not a good Prophet. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Poll: Americans Don't Trust Clinton
http://www.wnd.com/frame/direct.asp?SITE=dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010117/e l/transition_polls_4.html Wednesday January 17 9:30 PM ET Poll: Americans Don't Trust Clinton By WILL LESTER, Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON (AP) - Americans don't really trust President Clinton (news - web sites), and they don't think much of his morals, says a new poll. But a strong majority surely think he's done a good job running the country. An ABC News-Washington Post poll released Wednesday night showed that 65 percent approve of his job performance, about the same as the job approval rating Ronald Reagan had at the end of his term. They had the highest end-of-term rating of any president in the last half-century. The approval of Clinton's job performance has tracked closely with public perception of economic conditions. As the economic recovery began to gain momentum in the summer of 1996, the president's approval rating crept above 60 percent. The public's view of Clinton is sharply divided along partisan lines, with 93 percent of Democrats approving of his job performance and only 32 percent of Republicans. Clinton gets positive marks from different groups. Six in 10 Republicans and conservatives approve of his handling of the economy. Three-fourths overall approve of his handling of the economy and of race relations, while almost that many approve of his handling of foreign affairs. Only half approve of his handling of health care, and six in 10 approve of his handling of the welfare system. As he prepares to leave office Saturday, Americans are decidedly less upbeat on personal measures of Clinton. Three-fourths say he does not have high moral and ethical standards, and almost that many say he is not trustworthy. Two-thirds said he is a strong leader, and half say he will be thought of as an outstanding or above-average president. And six in 10 say he should not be charged with a crime for lying under oath about his relationship with Monica Lewinsky. People remain sharply divided on whether Clinton should have been impeached, with just over half saying he should not have been. They also are split on whether they have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of the president. The ABC-Post poll of 1,513 adults was taken Jan. 11-15 and has an error margin of 2.5 percentage points. Looking ahead, half of Americans said they are at least somewhat optimistic about the next four years, according to another new poll, as President-elect Bush prepares to take office at the same time that confidence in the economy is slipping. About four in 10 say they're confident Bush has the right goals and policies as well as the right personal characteristics to be president, according to the NBC News-Wall Street Journal poll released Wednesday evening. Almost that many say they are only somewhat confident he has those goals and characteristics. Just over half, 53 percent, said the conditions faced by Bush will be more difficult than those that faced Bill Clinton when he became president in 1993. Roughly the same number felt that Clinton faced more difficult circumstances that Bush's father did when he became president in 1988. The NBC-Journal poll of 1,018 adults was taken Saturday through Monday and has an error margin of 3 percentage points. Republican polling done the day after the presidential election, found that voters who backed Bush did so both because of his personality and his agenda. According to the GOP poll, more people thought Bush was intelligent - a question raised about him during the campaign - than thought Democratic nominee Al Gore (news - web sites) was honest, one of the major criticisms of the Democrat. And the poll found that Gore won the last week of the election campaign ``primarily because the Democrats trashed George Bush, especially in the African-American community and made black voters vote against George Bush rather than for Al Gore,'' said GOP pollster Whit Ayres of Atlanta, who conducted the national poll of 1,200 voters on Nov. 8 and presented it Wednesday to the Republican National Committee (news - web sites). That poll also had a 3 percentage point error margin. WorldNetDaily.url
[CTRL] Jesse suddenly bows out of public life after disclosure of mistress
http://www.wnd.com/frame/direct.asp?SITE=www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/20 501.htm REV. IS IN A SORRY' STATE Thursday,January 18,2001 By TRACY CONNOR JESSE JACKSON N.Y. Post: Mary McLauglin A "truly sorry" Rev. Jesse Jackson revealed last night that he fathered a love child two years ago - and said he's dropping out of public life to reconcile with his devastated family. The extraordinary admission came as the National Enquirer published a story about Jackson's secret affair with Rainbow Coalition activist Karin Stanford. The bombshell report details how the married civil-rights leader romanced the ex-professor while serving as spiritual adviser to President Clinton during Sexgate and even took his pregnant mistress to the White House. "I am father to a daughter who was born outside of my marriage," Jackson said in a statement to The Post. "As her mother does, I love this child very much and have assumed responsibility for her emotional and financial support since she was born," he continued. "This is no time for evasions, denials or alibis. I fully accept responsibility and I am truly sorry for my actions." The fiery preacher - who has been hammering away at some of George W. Bush's Cabinet appointments in recent days - said he was taking time off from his "public ministry" because of the scandal. It was unclear if he was canceling plans to lead a massive march on the Florida state capitol on Inauguration Day to protest the presidential election mess. The Post contacted Stanford, 39, at her home in south Los Angeles several times this week. She and family members politely declined to comment on her affair with Jackson, 59. But she told the Enquirer: "Jesse and I still have a very warm and close relationship." Since DNA tests determined he was the father of the 20-month-old girl - Stanford was seeing another man when she got pregnant - Jackson has been paying $10,000 a month in support. He also gave the single mom $40,000 for "moving expenses" when she took maternity leave and left Washington, D.C., for her native California. Their fateful liaison began after Jackson, impressed by a book Stanford had written about his impact on foreign policy, hired her to run the Rainbow Coalition's Washington office. The affair coincided with the explosion of the Sexgate scandal and Jackson's unofficial position as adviser to Clinton on his adulterous fling with intern Monica Lewinsky. In August 1998, around the time his out-of-wedlock child was conceived, Jackson urged the public to forgive the president for cheating on his wife. "The nation must take the test: If there are any among us who have not known the trials and tribulations and temptations, then throw a rock," he said. "At some point, we have to forgive, redeem and move on." That December, he escorted a four-months-pregnant Stanford and other Rainbow Coalition staffers to meet President Clinton and stood next to her during a photo opportunity. It wasn't long before word of the escapades reached the homefront - and Jackson's enraged wife of 38 years, Jackie, confronted Stanford at the Rainbow Coalition offices, the Enquirer said. "Jackie screamed at Karin that she'd raised Jesse's children and had been at his side through really tough times," a source told the weekly. "She accused Karin of getting pregnant on purpose." And Stanford admitted: "I would not be surprised if his family hated me." Even after the blowup, Jackson - who was born out of wedlock himself - was clearly not ready to acknowledge the child was his. In a March 1999 newsletter, he announced Stanford would soon be taking maternity leave for "the birth of her first child" with her attorney boyfriend. A week later, he announced he had decided not to seek the Democratic nomination for president, reprising his 1984 and 1988 campaigns. Stanford was involved with another man when she found out she was pregnant and left blank the space for the father's name on the birth certificate when her daughter was born in May. But a DNA test confirmed Jackson was the father of the baby, who reportedly shares with him a genetic trait for sickle-cell anemia. He quickly had a financial agreement for support drawn up - a pact that included an agreement by Stanford not to publicly acknowledge her baby's parentage, the tab reported. In Los Angeles, Stanford continues to work for the Rainbow Coalition as a consultant, and Jackson visits her and his daughter when he's in California. The scandal has left Jackson estranged from Jackie and on shaky ground with his five kids, including his congressman son, Jesse Jr. "It has been an extremely painful, trying, difficult time for them," Jackson said. "I have asked God and each one of them to forgive me and I thank each of them for their grace and understanding throughout this period of tribulation. "We have prayed together and through God's grace we have
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Forthcoming
{GRIN}...where was he 20 months ago??? I'd say almost two years is a little less
than Forthcoming. Coupled with the fact the whole world knows, now he had no
choice but to admit it. Forthcoming isn't the word you're looking for here, the
word your looking for is CAUGHT, NAILED or Hello
Jessee!
Heh heh
heh...
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Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I guess the Rainbow Coalition pays him a good salary since he
can afford to pay $10,000 a month to support the
child.I'd guess his speaking engagements and his CNN show
also contribute to his bankroll...and I ALSO think it salient that Jackson
and his wife have been seperated for the last couple of years. It
would seem that Jackson has more scruples than a Henry Hyde (my rep. BTW)
or a Bob Livingston...and he deserves his "props" for taking
responsibility and for being forthcoming. Bill.
[CTRL] Skolnick - The Rev. Jesse Jackson Affair
http://www.sightings.com/general7/skolj.htm Skolnick - The Rev. Jesse Jackson Affair By Sherman H. Skolnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.skolnicksreport.com 1-18-01 Some folks because of an apparent lack of wisdom, seem to reject and violate age-old proverbs. Such as, "PEOPLE IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULD NOT THROW STONES". Being a life-long resident of Chicago and an activist since I was a child, I became known as someone who was not afraid to speak out. By 1965, self-educated in law, I brought a series of federal court class actions to re-apportion Chicago and Illinois's terribly gerry-mandered voting districts. The "One Man, One Vote" constitutionally-based standards were being flagrantly violated. These violations resulted in blacks and latinos not having a fair chance to elect a sufficient number of representatives such as in the City Council of Chicago, as justified by the minority population in the Windy City. Members of minorities understood I was using my legal research and investigation skills not only to target crooked judges and lawyers, but to assist the aspirations of the underdogs. I choose not to be a member of the Bar. The Federal Judges, who hate non-lawyers and me in particular, were nevertheless forced to permit me to represent myself as a voter and all voters similarly situated. As a result of my lawsuits, sometimes opposed by as many as fifty lawyers [my electric mimeograph rapidly cranked out the court papers], blacks and latinos were able to have more representatives speaking for their interests elected to the City Council, the Illinois State Legislature, and the U.S. Congress, and eventually even the County Board. By 1969, there was a vast movement in Chicago of black would-be home-owners. By racially-discrminatory practices, banks "red-lined" black districts, so blacks could not get a home mortgage. Blacks had to buy "on contract", paying per month on the basis of twice what the house was worth. I became a volunteer consultant to the 25,000 members of the South Side Contract Buyers League. In packed church mass meetings, I outlined what needs to be done. I dared tell them that the judges hearing their cause were real estate speculators and landlords of sizeable properties, enemies of the common man. The judges opposed the dreams of the Chicago blacks to one-day own their own home. To the Establishment and their banks and mortgage companies, a grassroots movement, like the Buyers League, is dangerous, like a prairie fire. They have to stop it. Enter, Rev. Jesse Jackson. A series of well-informed sources told me plenty about Jesse's rise to prominence and how he was becoming a multi-millionaire through a series of secret business arrangements. [I had unraveled the secrets of his ill-gotten wealth.] At a crucial court hearing, Rev. Jackson arrived with his muscle-men, called "Black Men Moving", grim enforcers, who overwhelmed the already packed courtroom. The leaders of the Buyers League, present in Court, were prepared, representing themselves, to discuss the law and the facts [they whispered to me that they suspected Jesse's bunch were a set-up, provocateurs]. The court scene became extreme and tense, with Jesse's people, instead of discussing law and facts, hollaring slogans and threats. The County Sheriff himself, not a deputy, entered the Courtroom and stood next to the Judge on the bench. The deputies swept into the courtroom. Guess who they arrested? Not Jesse Jackson or his military-style team, but rather the President and Vice-President of the Buyers League who had been mostly polite and silent. They were taken to the Sheriff's lock-up in the Court basement. At that point, Jesse went from the courthouse to the Mayor's Office across the street. I told a number of the Buyers League members to hurry up and push me in my wheelchair to follow Jesse. As I rolled up, Jesse was sitting in the Mayor's outer office. He growled at me, "What are you doing here white face?" I responded, "Look, I am not some white cracker bigot that you are trying to scare. I am helping the Buyers League. YOUR southside office is just a few feet away from THEIR office. Yet, you repeatedly refused to help them." As he entered the Mayor's inner office he kept several women members of the Buyers League from following him in. They began pounding on the closed door, "Jesse, come out of there! You do not speak for us." Jeese exited the inner office as a TV crew was setting up their lights. As he approached their microphone he glared at me, "I'm going to get you for this!" Like some over six foot high pest-control expert, somehow giving me advance warning, looking down at me sitting in my wheelchair like I was some kind of helpless bug. Sweet victory! The confrontation and commotions I caused resulted in the two leaders of the Buyers League being released from the court basement lock-up. After other incidents, my strategies worked. Rev. Jesse Jackson did not succeed in taking over and snuffing out
[CTRL] Jesse Jackson redder than you think
http://www.newaus.com.au/us168jackson.html The truth about Jessie The Red Jackson by Gerard Jackson TNA News with Commentary Thursday 14 December 2000 Four years of political warfare were signalled by Jesse Jackson when he exclaimed: We will take to the streets right now. We will delegitimise Bush, discredit him, do whatever it takes, but never accept him, even threatening a civil rights explosion. Jesse Jackson: reckless dishonest Jackson tried to justify his threat against Bush by saying: I hope today that this court will rule let the vote count. The only way you can determine a legitimate winner is for the votes to count. This statement exposes Jackson as a liar. First, every vote has been counted; second, he supported Gores efforts to literally disenfranchise service personnel plus 25,000 absentee voters from Martin and Seminole counties. The more Jackson opens his sleazy mouth the more he sounds like one of Castros corrupt party hacks, especially the ones that work on the New York Slimes. That Jackson should threaten to subvert a duly appointed president should alert Americans to the lawless nature of the Democrats hardcore supporters and their utter contempt for the rule of law and anything resembling the truth. Part of the problem is that only a tiny per centage of conservatives are truly aware of what kind of political animal Jackson really is, and even they remain silent. I, however, think the time has now come to expose Jesse Jackson as a race-baiting hypocrite and an anti-American activist who wishes his country nothing but harm. One only has to examine Jacksons links to the Marxist Washington-based IPS (Institute for Policy Studies) to gain some understanding of his motives. This is how Brian Crozier described that organisation: The IPS is the perfect intellectual front for Soviet activities which would be resisted if they were too originate openly from the KGB. Crozier is a highly regarded commentator on intelligence matters and was a fellow of the prestigious London-based Institute for the Study of Conflict. His opinion was supported by the fact that the IPS had been a frequent meeting place for known KGB operatives. It also supported every anti-Western terrorist group I can think of as well giving strong support to Castro, which it still does. None of this stopped Jackson from developing strong ties with the institute and taking its advice, far from it. IPS founders Marcus Raskin and Richard Barnett, and institute fellows Roger Wilkins and Robert Borosage all of whom profoundly anti-American and deeply pro-Soviet were Jacksons advisers during his futile run for the presidency. Wilkins was Jacksons key speechwriter and was responsible for his candidacy speech; Wilkins, a fervent supporter of Soviet central planning, advised Jackson on domestic policy while Borosage, an admirer of Castro and other communist thugs, advised him on foreign affairs. Surely that is telling us something about Jacksons true sympathies and his real attitude towards America. In 1984 (a most appropriate year) Gar Alperovitz and Jeff Faux, IPS apparatchiks and communist apologists, published +Rebuilding America, a manual for turning the US into a Soviet-style economy. And who heaped fulsome praise on this totally worthless piece of pro-communist propaganda? You guessed it. God ol Jesse I love Castro Jackson who exclaimed that this economic nonsense would be the economic manual for [my] Rainbow Coalition. Five years later the centrally planned communist states collapsed. The at the IPS is opposed to Americas democratic traditions was made clear when it stated: The Institute for Policy Studies is engaged in a longer and deeper struggle, a struggle over the underlying principles and future direction of the political bankruptcy of the ideas and assumptions now governing America . . . Thats right, folks, the United States Constitution and the Bill or Rights are bankrupt institutions because they serve the interests of the ruling class. In November 1988 the IPS organised a conference called Anti-Communism and the United States: History and Consequences. As you can imagine, those who defended the values of the United States and opposed communist tyranny and the appalling crimes committed by communist states were berated as reactionaries. And guess who was wallowing in this leftwing sewer? No, not Jesse Stick em Up Jackson but Jack ODell who happened to be one of Jacksons close advisers. The same Jesse Shakedown Jackson who led a disgusting protest at Stanford University where he led student barbarians with the chant: Hey, hey, ho, ho, Western Civ got to go. Yep, this rabblerousing political parasite called for the destruction of courses teaching the glories of Western Culture everything from the brilliance of ancient Athens through to the renaissance, the literary genius of Shakespeare, the works of seventeenth and eighteenth century thinkers and up to the present
[CTRL] Iraq to Donate $94 Million to Poor Americans
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010115/ts/iraq_usa_dc_2.html Monday January 15 11:10 AM ET Iraq to Donate $94 Million to Poor Americans BAGHDAD (Reuters) - The Iraqi government, at a meeting chaired by President Saddam Hussein, Monday agreed to donate 100 million euros ($94 million) to poor Americans, the official Iraqi News Agency (INA) said. ``The cabinet decided, on humanitarian grounds, to allocate 100 million euros to be distributed to poor Americans,'' INA said, adding an Iraqi commission would be formed to supervise distribution of the money. It said U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan (news - web sites) would be notified of the donation. INA said there were 30 million people living below the poverty line in the United States -- Iraq's sworn enemy. Iraq is under a United Nations (news - web sites) humanitarian program to relieve its population from the effects of economic sanctions imposed over the country's invasion of Kuwait in 1990. Baghdad's proceeds from oil sales are used to buy food, medicine and other essential goods under U.N. monitoring. Last month, Saddam pledged one billion euros to Palestinians to aid their uprising against Israeli occupation. ($1-1.062 Euro) Iraq to Donate $94 Million to Poor Americans.url
[CTRL] Clinton wants Felons to vote.
http://www.wnd.com/frame/direct.asp?SITE=dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010114/p l/clinton_editorial_2.html Clinton Backs Electoral Reform Study NEW YORK (AP) - In a New York Times editorial published on his final Sunday in office, President Clinton (news - web sites) urged the incoming administration to establish a commission to study such election reforms as making Election Day a national holiday and restoring the rights of felons to vote. Clinton invoked the legacy of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., who is honored with a national holiday Monday, in outlining several recommendations to improve civil rights and race relations in the United States. '' ... Because of the lessons and sacrifices of people like Martin Luther King, Jr., whose birthday we celebrate tomorrow, we can write a new preamble to the 21st century, in which color differences are not the problem, but the promise, of America,'' Clinton said. Some of the initiatives will be sent to Congress over his final week in office and others should be addressed by President-elect Bush after he takes office Saturday, Clinton said. Among Clinton's recommendations were: passing a federal ban on racial profiling; addressing the disparity of federal sentencing guidelines on crack and powder-cocaine sentences, and passing legislation to provide greater access to DNA testing in death penalty cases. Clinton advocated forming a nonpartisan election reform commission to be led by former Presidents Ford and Carter to study disparities in voting participation among ethnic groups, classes and races in every state. The panel should recommend to Congress its conclusions on how to achieve uniform standards on voting and on vote counting, he said. Directing his initiatives toward building ``One America,'' Clinton concluded: ``Whether you are able to help a single child or lead a national movement for justice, it all begins with a personal commitment. ... I pledge to continue the important work of building One America as I return to the most important job of all: citizen.'' WorldNetDaily.url
[CTRL] Bush gaining in Miami-Dade recount
http://www.wnd.com/frame/direct.asp?SITE=www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/epape r/editions/sunday/news_2.html Miami-Dade ballot recount By Clay Lambert and Bill Douthat, Palm Beach Post Staff Writers Sunday, January 14, 2001 MIAMI -- George W. Bush would have gained six votes more than Al Gore if all the dimples and hanging chads on 10,600 previously uncounted ballots in Miami-Dade County had been included in the totals, according to a review by The Palm Beach Post. That result would have been a hard blow to Al Gore's hopes of claiming the presidency in a recount. Before the vice president conceded last month, the Gore camp had expected to pick up as many as 600 votes from a Miami-Dade recount -- barely enough to overtake Bush's razor-thin Florida lead. Instead, The Post's review indicates Gore would have lost ground. If everything were counted -- from the faintest dimple to chads barely hanging on ballots -- 251 additional votes would have gone to Bush and 245 more would have gone to Gore, The Post review showed. The review, concluded last week, also showed that the vast majority of ballots rejected as under-votes (meaning there was no clear punch for any candidate) when counted by machine appeared, in fact, to cast no vote for president. About 7,600 under-votes had no mark at all on the presidential column, or in rare cases included multiple votes that defied judgment. Most of the voters who did not indicate a vote for president did punch choices in other races. But at least 2,257 voters apparently poked at their ballot cards without properly inserting them into the voting machines. Miami-Dade County Elections Supervisor David Leahy said that's because the voters failed to follow directions. Of these miscast votes, 302 more would have gone for Gore than Bush, under Leahy's theory. Even if those votes had been cast correctly, however, it would not have changed the outcome of a presidential election that turned on 537 votes for Bush in Florida. "In other words, Dade was a wash," said Ivy Korman, director of special projects for the Miami-Dade County supervisor of elections. "And, knowing our county the way that we do, that is why we didn't feel the need to do a manual recount." Gore easily carried the county by more than 39,000 votes on Nov. 7. The certified results in Miami-Dade were 328,808 for Gore and 289,533 for Bush, according to the Florida secretary of state's office. Counts' results will vary The Miami-Dade canvassing board abandoned its manual recount Nov. 22 after counting 140 of the county's 616 precincts. And four teams of judges in Leon County were about halfway through Miami-Dade's disputed ballots Dec. 9 when the U.S. Supreme Court stopped all recounts in Florida. No results were released from the judges' partial recount. The Post's review of all the under-votes is the first of several planned or under way. Later this month, a consortium that includes The Post, The Wall Street Journal and The New York Times plans to begin looking at the under-votes in each of Florida's 67 counties. The Miami Herald and USA Today are doing a similar review. The Herald/USA Today review, using accountants, is expected to be finished in Miami-Dade this week. Because of varying judgments by reviewers on how each ballot is marked and the inevitable human error that occurs when thousands of ballots are examined by hand, results of the reviews by newspapers are almost certain to differ. Furthermore, experts say no count -- whether done by hand or by machine -- will ever be exact. Computer industry consultants estimate the error rate for counting punch cards could run as high as 1 percent and varies with the number of times the cards are handled. (For example, results changed in 313 of Palm Beach County's 531 precincts when the ballots were counted by hand.) In the 37-day contest of Florida election results, Gore had hoped to find a mother lode of votes in heavily Democratic South Florida to overtake Bush. A manual recount in Broward County added 567 votes for Gore. Although it did not meet the deadline, the manual recount in Palm Beach County would have added 174 votes. The Bush campaign contended the recounts were unnecessary because Bush won on Nov. 7 and in the mandated machine recount conducted Nov. 8. Pattern in mis-punches? In the Miami-Dade under-vote, the largest group of marked ballots was the 2,257 cleanly but inaccurately punched cards. During the media review, Leahy, the elections supervisor, demonstrated how many voters might have punched odd-numbered chads, which didn't correspond to any of the 10 candidates for president named on the ballot. Miami-Dade elections officials assigned only even numbers to the presidential candidates -- No. 4 for Bush, No. 6 for Gore, No. 8 for Libertarian Harry Browne and so on. Leahy showed that when punch cards were laid over the ballot booklets instead of inserted into the machine the arrow corresponding to Bush appeared to point to the No. 5
[CTRL] Bush will cut off Clinton's aid to Russia until it reforms
http://www.wnd.com/frame/direct.asp?SITE=www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,3-680 17,00.html Bush will cut off aid to Russia until it reforms FROM BEN MACINTYRE IN WASHINGTON GEORGE W. BUSH gave warning yesterday that he intends to cut off funding aimed at stimulating a market economy in Russia until major reforms are carried out there. The President-elect rejected the Clinton Administrations policy of using direct financial aid to encourage Russias conversion to a market economy. He indicated that he would try to stop the flow of money, except where it is used to dismantle nuclear weapons, until President Putin tackles widespread corruption and enacts substantial economic and legal reforms. It just seems like to me that we dont want to be lending money and/or encouraging the lending of money into a system in which the intention of the capital is never fulfilled, he told The New York Times in a wide-ranging interview laying out several themes of his future administration before Saturdays inauguration. The intent of the capital was to encourage entrepreneurship and markets, he said, after dismissing Mr Clintons eight-year effort to push Russia towards reform with financial aid. Since 1992 the United States has spent about $2.3 billion (1.5 billion) promoting democratic development and market reforms in Russia. The International Monetary Fund and the World Bank have issued loans worth $30 billion. In another sign of the new administrations tough stance, Mr Bush said he was prepared for Russia and China to object to the building of a National Missile Defence (NMD) but had no intention of backing down. Weve just got to explain why we are doing what we are doing, he said. Moscow and Beijing are working on a friendship pact, reflecting their shared unhappiness with American plans to build a shield against ballistic missile attack, but Mr Bush insisted that neither power had anything to fear. The Chinese know and the Russians know that there will be no system developed in the immediate future, or the foreseeable future is a better word, that can conceivably intercept a multiple launch of missiles, he said. Just one week before he is inaugurated, Mr Bush signalled that he may try to reverse some of Mr Clintons final actions, most notably his efforts to place 60 million acres of forest beyond developers reach. Theres going to be some property in these giant chunks of land that we can use and not damage the environment, he said, reflecting the views of many, particularly in the West, who say the Clinton Administration is riding roughshod over their land rights. I understand the Western mentality, and I want the Western mentality represented in this administration, Mr Bush said, adding that his legal advisers were exploring the possibilities of reversing some of Mr Clintons recent executive orders. Weve got lawyers looking at every single issue, every single opportunity. In another move that will delight his conservative base, Mr Bush said that he was inclined to stop any taxpayers money from going to family planning groups that encourage abortions abroad. Organisations that promote abortion are organisations I dont want to support, Mr Bush said. Mr Clinton signed an order allowing such private groups to receive federal funds two days after entering the White House in 1993. Mr Bush appears likely to move just as quickly to block any money that could be used to perform or encourage abortions in other countries. Mr Bush gave no hint of compromise on another of his key policy initiatives his planned $1.6 billion tax cut over the next ten years. Asked if he was prepared to negotiate on the size of the tax-reduction package, the President-elect was blunt: The answer is no. I think its the right number. The man who will soon be Americas 43rd President said that he hoped to keep his inaugural address to just 12 minutes next Saturday, with the message: We can be a unified America a theme which, he insisted, is not related to the narrowness of his victory and the divisive, post-election struggle with Vice-President Al Gore. WorldNetDaily.url
Re: [CTRL] REU: LIAR Clinton: Riady Should've Obeyed the Law
-Caveat Lector- The Justice Department (news - web sites) said Riady in a 1992 limousine ride pledged to donate $1 million to Clinton's campaign. Clinton, who was the Arkansas governor at the time, has said he does not specifically recall the conversation. Doesn't remember a $1,000,000 campaign contribution conversation...what a lyin pile of shit. When this fool leaves the Whitehouse they won't need a moving van...all they need is a shovel. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Clinton aides 'destroying' evidence before Jan. 20
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=21333 White House 'wiping clean' computer hard drives Judicial Watch gets tip Clinton aides 'destroying' evidence before Jan. 20 By Paul Sperry 2001 WorldNetDaily.com The White House is rushing to "wipe clean" the hard drives of computers used by President Clinton's aides before the Jan. 20 changeover, a public-interest law firm claims. Normally, when employees leave the White House, computer workers take a snapshot of the contents of their hard drives and store them as part of official records, as required by law. Then they reformat the hard drives for the next users. But according to Judicial Watch, Inc., political aides have ordered computer workers to first run the hard drives through a software program by the firm Jetico, called B.C., or Best Crypt, which "wipes clean the drives so the next administration can't retrieve any files." "They're starting with [the hard drives of] the most important people first -- the [White House] lawyers -- and working their way down," said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. "And they're working through the weekend." He added: "It's the equivalent of burning records, according to our sources," who are White House employees. The records are key to Judicial Watch's Filegate lawsuit against the White House. General counsel Larry Klayman said he passed the tip on to U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth late Friday. Calls to the White House were not returned by deadline. Fitton said Clinton aides Mark Lindsay and Michael Lyle are heading up the project -- which is being carried out by Charles Nash, a supervisor in the White House's records management unit. WorldNetDaily White House 'wiping clean'BR computer hard drives.url
Re: [CTRL] IT will change the world!
-Caveat Lector- I think I'm ready for my medication now. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ynr Chyldz Wyld Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 11:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] IT will change the world! -Caveat Lector- In the proposal, Doerr calls Kamen -- who was just awarded the National Medal of Technology, the country's highest such award -- a combination of Henry Ford and Thomas Edison. Doerr also says, a touch ominously, that he had been sure that he wouldn't see the development of anything in his lifetime as important as the World Wide Web -- until he saw IT. Oh well...as much as I'd like to believe that this is a free-energy device or a time-travel portal, I suspect that what we will end up seeing in 2002 is the next Rubik's Cube, Pet Rock, Mood Ring, Chia Pet, or over-priced scooter... Kamen, an avid aviator who commutes via a helicopter, is also the founder of FIRST -- For Inspiration and Recognition of Science and Technology -- a nonprofit organization that encourages young people to pursue studies and careers in math and science. I suggest everyone do a little research on the Kamen organization. It manufactures helicopters, amongst other things, and is located just outside of Hartford, Connecticut. It has a pretty sinister rep as being a fedspook front... June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] ???
-Caveat Lector- Who turned the lights out...or did somebody forget to pay this bill too? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Court frees Limone after 33 years in prision
http://boston.com/dailyglobe2/006/metro/Court_frees_Limone_after_33_years_in _prison+.shtml Court frees Limone after 33 years in prison By Ralph Ranalli, Globe Correspondent, 1/6/2001 AMBRIDGE - One arm cradling a bouquet of yellow roses, the other wrapped tightly around his tearful wife, Peter Limone walked out of Middlesex Superior Courthouse yesterday a free man after allegedly being framed for murder by the FBI and spending 33 years in prison, four of them on death row. ''Mr. Limone's long wait is over,'' said Middlesex Superior Court Judge Margaret Hinkle, prompting applause and tears from a large group of relatives and supporters of Limone in the East Cambridge courtroom. Hinkle, who said it was ''now time to move on,'' granted a joint motion by defense lawyers and Suffolk District Attorney Ralph C. Martin II's office to give Limone, 66, a new trial and vacate his life sentence. After spending half his life behind bars for the murder of Edward ''Teddy'' Deegan in 1965, Limone was freed largely on the basis of secret FBI documents uncovered by a Justice Department task force investigating corruption in the bureau's use of organized crime informants. The documents, which were never turned over to defense lawyers in the Deegan case, suggest that a onetime FBI informant, Vincent J. ''Jimmy the Bear'' Flemmi, planned Deegan's murder, not Limone. The key witness against Limone - hit man-turned-FBI-witness Joseph ''The Animal'' Barboza - was Flemmi's best friend. The documents say that an informant told the FBI who the participants in the murder were, and Limone and the three men convicted along with him weren't among them. The documents also suggest that FBI agents not only covered up evidence that Limone and three other men were wrongly convicted in order to protect Flemmi and his gangster brother, Stephen - an FBI informant for nearly 30 years - but also knew about the Deegan murder plot in advance and did nothing to stop it. ''The conduct of the bureau at the time of the murder of Mr. Deegan and the trial of Mr. Limone tarnishes that agency,'' said Hinkle, a former assistant US attorney. Limone had harsh words yesterday for the bureau, particularly former Special Agent H. Paul Rico, who was Barboza's FBI handler and is reportedly a target of the Justice Department corruption task force. ''He framed me. He knew what he was doing,'' the silver-haired Limone said of the agent, who is retired and living in Florida. ''He's scum. He set it all up.'' Overall, however, the mood of the Limone family was joyful and free of bitterness and rancor. Flanked by his wife, Olympia, his four children, and six of his eight grandchildren, Limone spoke mostly of his gratitude for the people who stood by him and helped him over the years, particularly his relatives and his attorney, John Cavicchi. ''I just give thanks to the good people I have been involved with,'' he said. ''I am very happy.'' Prison, he said, was ''very hard, every day in there, knowing I was innocent.'' His time was made even harder by watching two codefendants, Henry Tameleo and Louis Greco, die in prison while their appeals were rejected by court after court. Defense lawyers allege that Barboza and the FBI framed Limone, Tameleo, Greco, and a fourth codefendant, Joseph Salvati, in order to settle personal scores and to satisfy a mandate from FBI headquarters to make cases against the underworld. Tameleo was believed to be a top figure in the Patriarca New England crime family and Limone and Greco were reputed associates. Salvati, who owed Barboza money, had his life sentence commuted by Governor William F. Weld in 1997. Martin's office also filed motions with Hinkle Thursday to vacate Salvati's sentence and grant him a new trial. Assistant District Attorney Mark Lee said the newly discovered FBI documents were a key factor - along with other recently uncovered witness statements and evidence indicating Limone and Salvati's innocence - in their decision to drop their opposition to a new trial. ''The documents painted a very compelling picture,'' Lee said. ''What happened here was wrong enough for us to come into court and say that this mandates a new trial.'' Publicly, Martin's office had no comment on whether they would pursue a new trial or drop the case, but privately, sources close to the office called it a practical impossibility because of the age of the case, the doubts cast on it by the FBI documents, and the fact that Barboza was murdered in 1976. Limone and his lawyer said they would wait before considering whether to file a civil lawsuit against the FBI or state prosecutors. Cavicchi, however, said that based on what has been paid to other wrongfully imprisoned defendants, ''$5 million might be a good starting point.'' This story ran on page B1 of the Boston Globe on 1/6/2001. Copyright 2001 Globe Newspaper Company. Boston Globe Online - Metro Region - Court frees Limone after 33 years
Re: [CTRL] Clinton Says Goodbye to U.S. Troops
-Caveat Lector- Well done Samantha, but there's more Behalf Of Samantha L. http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/01/24/pentagon.budget/ exerpt Last year, the administration proposal was $267 billion. Congress added almost $5 billion to that to bring the total to $272.4 billion for fiscal year 2000, for a total increase of $9.8 billion, or 3.75 percent. This did not include supplemental appropriations to cover the cost of operations in Bosnia and Kosovo. This year's proposed $291 billion is an increase of 6.83 percent. The last time the Pentagon received so large an increase in its budget was in 1983, when the defense budget went up 7.4 percent to $239 billion. In 1999 inflation-adjusted dollars that would be equal to $383 billion. Catch-up Funding might be the reason for such a large increase. I also find it hard to believe Clinton was strapped for eight years with Bush's Defense Budget. Read on http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/01/24/pentagon.budget/ excerpt (same article continued) In this election year, the proposal could draw charges of playing politics. Republican presidential candidates have criticized the Clinton administration for underfunding the military and causing what they called a resulting decline in readiness. One of Republican presidential hopeful John McCain's campaign themes is restoring military spending. And George W. Bush, who advocates "clear-eyed realism" in foreign policy, says he will set national defense as the "first focus" of a Bush administration should he be elected. Both hopefuls have come down hard on Clinton's dealings with the military budgets during his administration. "There is almost no relationship between our budget priorities and a strategic vision," Bush says. "The last seven years have been wasted in inertia and idle talk." McCain backs increased defense spending, claiming that "not since Pearl Harbor has our investment in national defense been so low as a percentage of our gross national product." A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: WORLD EXCLUSIVE: The Secret Life of Gale Norton
-Caveat Lector- It just doesn't seem to end. I wonder if she's Reptilian? -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kris Millegan Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 12:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Fwd: WORLD EXCLUSIVE: The Secret Life of Gale Norton A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Clinton Says Goodbye to U.S. Troops
-Caveat Lector- Late Friday afternoon, he said goodbye to the troops, noting that his administration had reversed a decade and a half decline in defense spending [snip] Name this country: 709,000 regular (active duty) service personnel; 293,000 reserve troops; Eight standing Army divisions; 20 Air Force and Navy air wings with 2,000 combat aircraft; 232 strategic bombers; 13 strategic ballistic missile submarines with 3,114 nuclear warheads on 232 missiles; 500 ICBMs with 1,950 warheads; Four aircraft carriers; 121 surface combat ships and submarines; plus all the support bases, shipyards and logistical assets needed to sustain such a naval force. Is this country Russia? . . . No Red China ? . . . No Great Britain ? . . . Wrong Again, USA? . . . Hardly Give up?? Well, don't feel too bad if you are unable to identify this global superpower because this country no longer exists. It has vanished. These are the American military forces that have disappeared since the 1992 election of Bill Clinton and Al Gore. Sleep well, America. [snip] A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FW: Rob McConnell's Statement on Art Bell's Return to Radio February 5
-Caveat Lector- Apparently you are missing something here...my statement was in reference to the words of Rob McConnell which shouldn't warrant a personal attack, but then I guess from the nature of many of your posts here what else would I have expected. Unless I'm missing something here...It sounds like this person feels threatened by Bell's return. Unless I'm missing something here, it sounds like "T Nohava" feels threatened by anyone who doesn't goosestep to Art Bell... Can't say I've ever heard of his program... must not have much of a listening audience. Perhaps. Perhaps not. The size of McConnell's audience has not one iota of relevance to the points he raises regarding Bell's credibility. If Bell's personal situation was such as to demand his total attention, he would have retained some credibility if he'd announced that he had to take a leave of absence from broadcasting for an indeterminate length of time, but that he'd endeavor to return ASAP. By announcing that he was leaving the airwaves "forever", then returning in less than a year's time, you can't blame anyone outside of Bell's fanatical devotees for pointing out the dishonesty. Things change, especially after some people are emotionally struck(being human). I don't claim to be a "devotee" but I read an article on Bell a couple years ago that stated his listening audience could range from 12 million to as many as 15 million listeners, I'd say with that in mind we have allot of fanatics in this country. Dishonesty...how does anyone know. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Sources Possible Coverup at Justice Department
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/010401/ic_shuster.sml Sources: Possible Coverup at DOJ Thursday, January 4, 2001 By David Shuster WASHINGTON Senior staff working for Attorney General Janet Reno have threatened to fire an independent counsel investigating a possible coverup at the Justice Department, Fox News has learned. AP/Wide World Henry Cisneros admitted lying to the FBI. Independent Counsel Dave Barrett led the investigation of former Clinton housing secretary Henry Cisneros, who admitted lying to the FBI. According to sources, for the last 10 months Barrett has been presenting his grand jury with new evidence alleging that officials at the Justice Department improperly tried to influence actions by the Internal Revenue Service. Barrett was warned by senior Justice Department officials to halt his investigation, but DOJ officials told Fox News that they did not threaten to fire him. Barrett's original focus was on Cisneros, who pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor for lying during an FBI background check. During his investigation, Barrett uncovered evidence of possible tax fraud by Cisneros. But Justice Department officials, along with the IRS, said that aspect of the Cisneros record was beyond the independent counsel's jurisdiction. After looking at the evidence themselves, the Justice Department and IRS both refused to pursue the matter. According to well-placed sources, last year a top lawyer within the IRS alleged that senior Justice Department officials were attempting to protect Cisneros. The IRS employee, who is now a whistleblower for the independent counsel, has reportedly testified that justice officials pressured the IRS in other cases as well. Allegations have been made before that the IRS backed off of President Clinton's friends and stepped up cases against his opponents. But the investigation at the Washington courthouse marks the first time that any of these allegations have been reviewed by a federal grand jury. Lawyers say dozens of IRS employees have testified in recent months. And Fox News has learned that inspectors general at the IRS and Treasury Departments are helping with the case. So far the investigation has not yielded evidence strong enough to warrant any charges. But sources indicate the probe of the Justice Department still has a long way to go. When contacted about this story by Fox News, Barrett refused to comment. Sources Possible Coverup at Justice Department.url
[CTRL] The Dallas Morning News Texas-Southwest
http://www.dallasnews.com/texas_southwest/253910_tape_05tex.html Bush, Gore advisers testify in tape case Grand jury looking into leak of debate material 01/05/2001 By Pete Slover / The Dallas Morning News AUSTIN Top advisers to Al Gore and George W. Bush took turns telling their tales of the tape Thursday, testifying to a federal grand jury considering criminal charges in the leaking of presidential debate material. Meeting in private, the panel in Austin heard about 30 minutes of testimony from former U.S. Rep. Tom Downey, D-N.Y., about an Austin-postmarked package he received Sept. 13, when he was helping Mr. Gore prepare for debates against Mr. Bush. The parcel, which Mr. Downey turned over to his lawyer and then the FBI, contained a Bush debate preparation videotape and other illicitly sent, classified debate materials. "He testified as to the chronology that has already been made public" and was asked to identify copies of the mailed documents, Mr. Downey's attorney, Marc Miller, said in an interview. Mr. Miller also testified. The lengthiest testimony, about 90 minutes, came from Bush media consultant Mark McKinnon. His one-time employee, Juanita Yvette Lozano, 30, is the focus of the FBI investigation into the mailing. "I continue to cooperate and look forward to a resolution," said Mr. McKinnon, whose lawyers have been told he is not a target of the inquiry. "I continue to maintain hope that her story is true, and will do so until I see some hard evidence to the contrary." Prosecutors haven't shown Mr. McKinnon their evidence, and his comments outside the grand jury reflected a less staunch defense of Ms. Lozano than in the past, when he has insisted on her innocence, no matter what the evidence. Although grand jury testimony is secret, Mr. McKinnon previously has said that Ms. Lozano, as an office manager, had access to the filched materials and was a trusted and reliable employee. Ms. Lozano, whose lawyer did not return a call for comment, was captured on an Austin post-office security camera mailing a package on Sept. 11. She told investigators and The Dallas Morning News that the film showed her returning a pair of Mr. McKinnon's mail-ordered pants to the Gap. But paperwork from the Gap shows the pants arrived there about a week after the videotaped mailing, suggesting they were mailed later than Ms. Lozano said. At her weekly news briefing Thursday, Attorney General Janet Reno declined to comment on the status of the investigation, which legal experts say could result in charges of mail fraud or lying to a federal investigator. Local Democratic officials in Austin said Thursday that Ms. Lozano is a precinct chairwoman, elected in the March primary the same time that Mr. McKinnon's firm, Maverick Media, was working for the Bush campaign. The Gore campaign has said it had no role in the mailing. By state Democratic Party rules, the roughly 8,600 precinct chairs statewide preside at precinct conventions, where issue platforms are drawn up to be passed on to county conventions. Under local practices, the chairs also serve or help select paid poll workers for party primaries. Travis County Democratic Party Executive Director Eddie Rodriguez said he was not aware until Thursday that Ms. Lozano was a chairwoman. He said she ran unopposed and was elected to a two-year term as one of 229 precinct chairman in Travis County. Ms. Lozano met Mr. McKinnon a decade ago, when she was a volunteer and he was a consultant for Ann Richard's Democratic campaign for governor. Since then, she has worked as a McKinnon family baby sitter and for various Democratic office holders and government agencies. Ms. Lozano has apparently not testified to the panel, which began considering the matter last month. The CEO of Mr. Downey's lobbying firm, Kathleen McLaughlin, also testified Thursday. The case is being presented by Assistant U.S. Attorney Raymond N. Hulser, a Washington-based lawyer specializing in election law prosecutions for the public integrity section of the Justice Department. Bush spokesman Dan Bartlett said that as far as he knows, no one from that campaign has been called to testify. And, he said, there's no early indication that politics will influence the direction of the probe. "They're not keeping us in the loop," said Bush spokesman Dan Bartlett. "My understanding is we have not been formally notified of any of this stuff." The Dallas Morning News Texas-Southwest.url
Re: [CTRL] FW: Rob McConnell's Statement on Art Bell's Return to Radio February 5
-Caveat Lector- Rob McConnell, Host Executive Producer, THE 'X' ZONE RADIO SHOW Unless I'm missing something here...It sounds like this person feels threatened by Bell's return. Can't say I've ever heard of his program... must not have much of a listening audience. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The year's 10 most underreported stories
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=21206
The year's 10 most underreported stories
WND's 'Operation Spike' pinpoints major events media ignored
By David Kupelian
© 2001 WorldNetDaily.com
Editor's note: The following look at the past year's top 10 most "spiked"
stories is a short version of the comprehensive 5,000-word cover story in
the January 2001 edition of WorldNet Magazine, WND's monthly print
publication. Readers are invited to subscribe to WorldNet by visiting WND's
online store.
At the close of each year, most news organizations present their
retrospective replays of what they consider to have been the top news
stories in the previous 12 months. However, the editors of WorldNetDaily
have always found it more newsworthy to publish a year-end compilation of
the most important unreported or underreported news events of the year to
bring forth perhaps for one last time major news stories that were
undeservedly "spiked" by the establishment press.
WND Editor and CEO Joseph Farah has sponsored "Operation Spike" every year
since 1988, and since he founded WorldNetDaily in May 1997, he has continued
the annual tradition. Beginning last year and continuing this season, WND
has invited its readers to join in and submit what they considered the most
underreported stories of 2000 in the site's Operation Spike forum.
Here, with our readers' help, are WorldNetDaily editors' picks for the 10
most underreported stories of the past year.
VOTER FRAUD
Hands down, the biggest and most underreported story of 2000 was voter
fraud.
As WorldNetDaily Editor Joseph Farah wrote in "Voter fraud epidemic," "Voter
fraud is epidemic throughout the country. From Miami to L.A., elections have
been won and lost because of illegal voter registration and phony ballot
counts. No wonder fewer and fewer people are bothering to vote. What's the
point? Elections are being rigged. The fix is in. The sanctity of the
American electoral system is not under attack, it is under siege."
An exclusive WND investigation revealed that President Bill Clinton and the
California Democratic Party conspired to mail non-citizens and non-eligible
voters bogus "Voter Identification Cards" to make it easier for them to cast
ballots.
In Florida, Haitian voters were intimidated and coerced by Gore supporters
to vote for the Democratic candidate.
In Wisconsin, the votes of homeless people were purchased for packs of
cigarettes.
In some predominantly Democratic precincts in Texas, 125 percent of
registered voters cast ballots.
But perhaps the most deeply disturbing of all voter fraud stories to emerge
during the election season centered on the military. Reports surfaced that
entire units of U.S. servicemen overseas were denied absentee ballots,
preventing them from voting for their next commander-in-chief.
WorldNetDaily's Jon Dougherty was the preeminent reporter nationally on this
issue, and was first to sound the alarm, even before the election ("Military
missing absentee ballots"), that a significant number of America's military
service personnel were not going to be able to vote in the closest and by
many accounts the most important election in memory.
CLINTON, GORE COMPLICITY IN OIL PRICE-HIKES
One of the giant stories of the year, by any news organization's yardstick,
was the unprecedented run-up in oil prices. All but unreported, however,
were some of the hidden, but very real, reasons for the huge increases.
WorldNetDaily was virtually alone among the news media in reporting how the
Clinton administration clearly contributed to the dramatic increase in oil
prices. "Contradictory and self-serving policies," reported Ken Timmerman in
November, "led the Clinton-Gore administration to cause the current
skyrocketing oil prices, say Middle East and petroleum industry analysts."
The former Time magazine correspondent showed how, "by interfering in the
oil markets in 1998 when prices were perceived by some to be too low, the
administration put into motion the huge current run-up of prices, according
to Matthew Simmons, who has tracked oil prices for 30 years as the head of a
Houston-based investment bank, Simmons Co. International.
Another WorldNetDaily report spotlighting Clinton's and Gore's complicity in
raising oil prices proved to be a blockbuster featured and discussed for
several consecutive days on the Rush Limbaugh show. In that story, Clinton
approves oil-price hikes, WND disclosed: "Oil ministers from OPEC nations
have quietly told national security advisers on Capitol Hill that the oil
production cutbacks -- and resulting price increases -- are being
implemented at the request of the Clinton administration on behalf of
Russia, Indonesia, Mexico and Iran.
"Russia, Mexico and Indonesia are reported to be directing their increased
oil profits toward paying back overdue Western loans," the article revealed.
"According to one
[CTRL] High-Living Hillary Taking Charity From the Poor
http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2001/1/3/111332 Wednesday, Jan. 3, 2001 12:12 p.m. EST High-Living Hillary Taking Charity From the Poor Why does first lady and newly crowned U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton continue to accept donations to defray her legal expenses from New Yorkers of clearly modest means, when she just inked an $8 million book deal and owns multimillion-dollar mansions in New York and Washington, D.C.? That's what New York Daily News columnist Michael Daly wants to know, after reviewing some of the records from Clinton's legal expense trust. Though high-living Hillary has just spent a grand total of $4.6 million on luxurious digs for herself and her wandering hubby, records show they've convinced 10,071 Empire staters to fork over their hard-earned cash, lest staggering legal bills have the Clintons seeking refuge in the poorhouse. According to Daly, the list includes 200 retirees, 67 teachers, 50 nurses, 31 librarians, 27 members of the clergy, 14 social workers, 10 guards, five composers and four disabled veterans. John Marmarinos, a homebound World War II veteran, forked over $20 to help Hillary handle her legal bills. When Daly tried to locate Marmarinos to find out if the old vet knew he was, in reality, bankrolling the first lady's lifestyle-of-the-rich-and-famous, Daly was told that Marmarinos is now in a nursing home. Others of modest means from whom the Clintons have taken charity: a disabled retiree ($50), another man who described himself as "disabled/unemployed" ($25), a woman who listed her occupation as "homemaker-unemployed"($5), two other unemployed gents who pooled their resources ($20) and a "widowed-senior citizen" ($10). Also on the Clintons' fund-raising list: contributions from factory workers, doormen, mental health workers, welfare caseworkers, home care attendants, school bus drivers - you name it. The one thing they all have in common is they come from the lower rungs of the economic ladder. Daly pinpoints the supreme irony of the Clintons putting the squeeze on so many of these poor folks: "In all, some 70,000 people throughout the country have contributed $8 million toward the [Clintons' legal] fund. That happens to be exactly what Hillary got as an advance for a book whose main commercial appeal will be the same scandals that gave rise to the legal bills." Meanwhile, managers of the Clintons' legal charity are planning a new direct mail campaign targeting more disabled vets, teachers, factory workers, librarians and bus drivers - as Hillary shuttles between her two multimillion-dollar mansions. NewsMax.com Inside Cover Story.url
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Foreign Press Views bush presidency as Fraudulent
-Caveat Lector- Followed the link and what do we see...another re-hash of... [snip] Now it's unofficial: Gore did win Florida Ed Vulliamy in New York Sunday December 24, 2000 [snip] ...in one newspaper. I guess we're all doomed. The National Democratic Party Conspiracy Research List [NDPCRL] -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kris Millegan Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 12:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Fwd: Foreign Press Views bush "presidency" as Fraudulent A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Clinton backpedals on lobbying ban -- The Washington Times
Clinton backpedals on lobbying ban By Andrew Cain THE WASHINGTON TIMES Midway between Christmas and New Year's Day, President Clinton revoked his executive order that barred his top aides from lobbying for five years. Mr. Clinton had signed the order in his first official act as president to establish what he called the strictest ethical requirements of any administration. He revoked the order Thursday in a press release with no such fanfare. The order required senior aides to pledge that they would not lobby any agency they served for five years after leaving the government and that they would never lobby for any foreign government. White House aides say the order is unnecessary now that Republican George W. Bush will take office as president Jan. 20. "The main policies underlying the executive order no longer apply when there is a change of parties at the White House," White House Counsel Beth Nolan said. "Because special access is no longer a concern, the special measures contained in the executive order are no longer necessary." White House spokesman Jake Siewert said Mr. Clinton decided "there isn't much of a question about whether former Clinton appointees would have undue influence with the members of a Bush administration." But good-government groups do not buy the argument. "Now he's repealed it just in time for all these guys to cash in," said Meredith McGehee, senior vice president of Common Cause, the Washington watchdog group. "Anyone who's followed this issue of the revolving door has to be disappointed that Clinton has decided to repeal the cooling-off period," Mrs. McGehee said. "If there's one thing this town has shown, it's that access and influence peddling don't necessarily follow party line," she said. "It's appalling, and it makes my blood boil," added Charles Lewis, executive director of the Center for Public Integrity. Clinton aides assisting in the transition will get to know the new Bush appointees and could use the contacts in lobbying, Mr. Lewis told the Associated Press. "For him to set a higher standard and then quietly remove it at the end of his administration is not just appalling, it's almost breathtaking," Mr. Lewis said. Federal law bars most employees from lobbying their former agencies for a year. The additional restriction applied only to Mr. Clinton's aides. Mr. Siewert said the Bush administration can decide whether to reinstate the restrictions. "We are declining comment, but we will take a look at the executive orders after the 20th," said Juleanna Glover Weiss, a spokeswoman for Mr. Bush. In the 1992 campaign, Mr. Clinton railed against "high-priced lobbyists and influence peddlers." "I want to send a signal that we are going to change politics as usual," Mr. Clinton said in Little Rock, Ark., shortly after he was elected president in 1992. Mr. Siewert said think tanks "on both sides of the aisle" believed the order too broad and "prevented former Clinton administration officials from calling up and asking the very simplest of questions." "The president believes that the executive order has served its purpose," said Mrs. Nolan, the White House counsel. http://washingtontimes.com/national/default-200113223742.htm Clinton backpedals on lobbying ban -- The Washington Times.url
Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: Gore's Lead in the Popular Vote Now Exceeds 500,000]
Title: December 30, 2000 THE FINAL TALLY Gore's Lead in the Popular Vote Now Exceeds 500,000 By DAVID STOUT Oh that's simply Wonderful! Does anybody know how many more re-counts it would take before he has 100% of the vote?I just loved all those recounts...Al kept gaining and gaining and George kept losing and losing...it's really neat the way these re-counts work...they always go in one direction. And Gosh...I wonder too... how much of that was Voter Fraud? Isn't Voter Fraud such a Wonderful Thing... and where would we all be today without it! Now gang...what we need to do now is to figure out how we can keep the Supreme Court out of all this. I know we have some great clever, gifted and intellectual Minds on this list as I read their wisdom on a daily basis and I'm really impressed. I know one of you will come forward with an absolutely astonishing strategy to make Re-Counts and Voter Fraud a better part of our American Heritage than it already is. DUH!!!
[CTRL] Hillary snubs New York to buy home in Washington
Hillary snubs New York to buy home in Washington By Philip Delves, Broughton, in New York Press releases - The White House Hillary 2000 FLUSH with the funds from her lucrative book deal, Hillary Clinton was due to buy a £2 million house in Washington yesterday. The senator-elect, who will be sworn in next Wednesday, was buying a six-bedroom, seven-bathroom Georgian-style house near Embassy Row. The house will enable her to entertain in grand style and to provide the Clintons' main family home. The purchase should leave plenty of change from the estimated £5.3 million book deal. Even so, the couple's friends are rallying round to buy them fancy dinner services, which up to now they have had gratis in their government housing. But while Mrs Clinton unpacks the porcelain, those New Yorkers who argued that she was using their state merely as a platform for a return to Washington are now saying: "Told you so." The Clintons' new house purchase breaks with the tradition by which Presidents and First Ladies, when they leave the White House, return home. The Reagans went back to California, the Bushes to Texas, the Carters to Georgia. No First Couple has wanted to hang around looming over their successors. But Mrs Clinton wants nothing more to do with Arkansas, her husband's home state. Her ascent to the Senate and a possible presidential run in 2004 have put the Clintons on yet another upward trajectory rather than into a slow fade. Like it or not, the Clintons are neither leaving Washington nor national life for a good many years yet. But Mrs Clinton is suddenly realising that if she wants to be a grande dame she is going to have to pay for it. This is going down badly with her new constituents, to whom her behaviour since she won election in November has seemed hubristic. First she went out and signed the deal to write her memoirs, incurring the condemnation of newspapers across New York state. The New York Times, for example, said in an editorial: "She above all should know not every deal that is legally permissible is smart for a politician who wants and needs to inspire public trust." When pressed by her new Senate colleagues to present the details of her book deal to the Senate Ethics Committee, she flatly refused, saying her lawyers told her it was unnecessary. Even after all the unpleasant lawyering of the Clinton presidency, it appeared, Mrs Clinton still preferred to proclaim her virtue behind the protection of lawyers rather than through openness. Rival executives who tried to woo her say she was asking for the entire £5.3 million by Jan 31. They also say that at no point did anyone ask if she would be writing about Monica Lewinsky. The publishers' delicacy may haunt them if Mrs Clinton delivers a turgid, scandal-free script. For now, however, she has her money to cover both her big needs and big debts. According to the most recent accounts of the Clinton Legal Expense Trust, set up to pay lawyers in the Clintons' numerous legal battles, it still owed £2.5 million. Then there is the mortgage on the house in Chappaqua, the New York suburb where the Clintons bought a white elephant of a home to establish Mrs Clinton's residency before she stood for the Senate. After having to turn down a friend's loan because of a political outcry, the Clintons went to the bank to fund the £1.1 million mortgage. The couple claim they will hang on to the house and commute from there to offices in Manhattan. Few believe, however, that suburban life will suit them. A flat in New York city would be more their style. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=004072251230472rtmo=ps34UUNeatmo=rrrq pg=/et/00/12/30/wclin30.html Hillary snubs New York to buy home in Washington.url
Re: [CTRL] Bush Aide Tells Council on Foreign Relations He Will Attack Columbia.
-Caveat Lector- This is getting as bad as the local News at 11. The link on the originator of this article is a dead one. A search on that site produced two relevant articles. 1. Bush Team Likely To Escalate US War on Colombians Breaking News Views for the Progressive Community 2000 Headlines Published on Wednesday December 27 2000 by the Bush Team Likely To Escalate US War on Colombians by George Gedda W Monitor page: URL: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/122700-03.htm 2. Bush Adviser Talks Tough on Colombia Breaking News Views for the Progressive Community 2000 Headlines Published on Thursday December 28 2000 in the of London Bush Adviser Talks Tough on Colombia Aligns the new admini Monitor page: URL: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/122800-01.htm Subject: Bush Aide Tells Council on Foreign Relations He Will Attack Colombia : "Drug War" Will Be Excuse Says Advisor ; LSN Staff The originator of this message had some major toys in his head or just decided to embellish the article, definitely misleading. Attack Columbia...yeah right! Then we'll attack Cuba to get Elian back, then Panama to get the canal back, what's next? Hmmm...seems this article is no longer on the originator's web site or never was. The Libertariansocalist website references the Commondreams website as the originator. A search of Commondreams website produced two articles relating to the content of the article below but nothing -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Nurev Ind Research Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 10:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Bush Aide Tells Council on Foreign Relations He Will Attack Columbia. -Caveat Lector- To understand the Game, you must know the Players. OK. So who exactly is this asshole? He is Bush Adviser Robert B. Zoellick. Zoellick is ex vice president of the Federal National Mortgage Association, an under Secretary of State, a member of the Bilderbergers, the Trilateral Commission, and a former director ( and current member )of the Council on Foreign Relations. This is a fine example of impeccable credentials for the aparatchiks of the American Ruling Elite. Nurev = Subject: Bush Aide Tells Council on Foreign Relations He Will Attack Colombia : "Drug War" Will Be Excuse Says Advisor ; LSN Staff Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 09:55:56 -0500 (EST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bush Aide Tells Council on Foreign Relations He Will Attack Colombia "Drug War" Will Be Excuse Says Advisor Fri Dec 29 09:55:55 2000 LSN Staff Washington, DC -- Bush Adviser Robert Zoellick, who is in line to become US Trade Representative, told the Council on Foreign Relations last month that George Bush will attack Colombia, according to a news story released today by commondreams.org, a progressive left-leaning anti-war news source. (http://commondreams.org/headlines/12280 0-01.htm) According to the article Zoellick proposed a major policy shift in his November 7 speech. Though the current president of Colombia, Andres Pastrana, appears on the verge of a peace treaty to end the 30-year old civil war, Bush's policy will be to break up any peace agreement, and aggressively pursue a US presence in the South America nation. Under the guise of supporting the "forces of democracy", Zoellick said the US should fund militia groups who have tortured and executed at least 4000 non-combatant civilians, and that the current policy, of limiting aid to anti-drug efforts was misguided, because South American who oppose the US agenda and drugs were essentially the same thing. The deal is also likely aimed at limiting Cuban influence in the region. Cuba is a major player in the peace negotiations, and recently negotiated the release of 42 Colombian soldiers and policement who had been taken prisoner by the guerillas. The Council on Foreign Relations is a "think tank" group that believes war and government should be used to further the interests of big business. The incoming Secretary of State, Colin Powell, is a prominent member of the Council. Libertarian Socialist News Post Office Box 12244 Silver Spring, MD 20908 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.libertariansocialist.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance not soap-boxing please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory' with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests
Re: [CTRL] PROTEST AT THE INAUGURATION
-Caveat Lector- Dan Rather did a news segment on this a few years ago and pretty much laid blame on Mexico's NAFDA Industry on the border polluting the River. Where has President Clinton been in all this for the last 8 years??? -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of DIG alfred webre Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 3:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] PROTEST AT THE INAUGURATION -Caveat Lector- This is a prospective demonstration about the enivronment. As a person who lived along the Texas-Mexican border (Rio Grande Valley) in an environmentalist capacity, I can attest that Bush is at best inattentive to the environment, at worst an active eco-destroyer. Unless counterpressure is applied, this Bush government will equal the Reagan-Bush Sr years in environmental insult. Thanks for listening. __ EcoNews Service - Always online for Exopolitics a Universe Ecology. EcoNews http://www.ecologynews.com/ Prague http://mujweb.cz/www/ecologynews/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance not soap-boxing please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory' with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Dangers of the New Age movement
-Caveat Lector- Amen Duncan! I could really "go off" on this one but I've seen too many narrow minded people here in the 3-4 years I've been on this list and don't care to engage in any debate here. There's no question though...this broad has some serious toys in her head! Great Magazine!!! Not subscribed anymore but never fail to pick one up while I'm at Barnes Noble. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of nexusmagazine Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Dangers of the New Age movement -Caveat Lector- This is an excellent site for those who know nothing about the dangers to our society coming from the New Age movement and those who wish to learn more about this very extensive topic. Hannah Newman, a Jewish researcher who lives in Israel, recently sent out a notice about her site as follows: "My new, greatly expanded and updated research on New Age antisemitism is now on line. Go to: http://homestead.virtualjerusalem.com/antisemitism/index.html" This is some of the most unbelievable crap I have ever read. This is on a par with the 2 + 2 = 5 Jewish Conspiracy theories out there, except now we are expected to believe that the 'new age movement' is a coherent, organised plan. I feel qualified to comment here, as I helped push the new age movement in Australia. I am not anti-semitic, anti-jewish, or anti-anything. I believed that the Christian option was lacking, and I wanted to explore yoga, meditation and other philosophies. This bimbo is expecting us to believe that virtually all non-mainstream religions are part of a sinister plan to wipe out Jews. Talk about paranoid - it would be funny if it weren't so scary that people out there believe such drivel. I put to you all that this woman is part of an evil plan to isolate and vilify anyone not part of an 'established' religion. Established religions control their followers via their belief systems, but the rest of us are now 'new agers', to be isolated and vilified for our crime of not 'belonging' to a major belief system. I have been to Findhorn Community, I have lived on communes, I have organised festivals and activities, conferences, and published magazines, all promoting peaceful ideology via diet, attitude and environment. I KNOW the new age movement. It is totally disorganised, incoherent, and until Shirley Maclaine and Oprah Winfrey came along, it was lacking in credibility and viability. There are certainly sinister elements that come along and wave their flag under the new age movement's banner. In a world facing fragmentation and uncertainty, the last thing we need is more rubbish of this calibre. Hannah, there is no Jewish conspiracy to wipe out non-Jews, and there is no New Age conspiracy to wipe out Jews. You should go out and smell the roses and get a life! Duncan Duncan M. Roads Editor, NEXUS Magazine PO Box 30, Mapleton Qld 4560 Australia Tel: +61 (0)7 5442 9280; Fax: +61 (0)7 5442 9381 http://www.nexusmagazine.com ICQ#62399259 "The nature of the universe is such that ends can never justify the means. On the contrary, the means always determine the end." (Aldous Huxley) A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance not soap-boxing please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory' with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and
Re: [CTRL] Dangers of the New Age movement
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{grin} This was just an example of the drivel I was referring to.
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LMAO!!! This is too funny!!!Anyone that reads that pile of shit
"Nexus" is just as loony as its fruit-loop "editor"!
Still in stitches over this set-up piece of schlock self-promotion!
Hahahahahaha!!!
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[CTRL] FW: Interesting facts?
Title: (I can't verify the following as being true. However it is certainly worth considering. So, something else to ponder..) Important statistics: Population of counties won by Gore: 127 million Population of counties won by Bush: 143 million Square miles of country won by Gore: 580,000 Square miles of country won by Bush: 2,427,000 States won by Gore: 19 States won by Bush: 29 Average Murder per 100,000 residents in counties won by Gore: 13.2 Average Murder per 100,000 residents in counties won by Bush: 2.1 And may I add that the map of the territory Bush won was the land owned by the people of this great Country. Not the citizens living in cities owned by the government and living off the government. Professor Joseph Olson, Hamline University School of Law Tel. (651) 523-2142 St. Paul, Minnesota 55104-1235 Fax. (651) 523-2236
Re: [CTRL] How full of __it is Jesse Jackson?
-Caveat Lector- Amen! He creates problems to keep that almighty dollar rolling in. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Nurev Ind Research Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 11:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] How full of __it is Jesse Jackson? -Caveat Lector- Compared to this guy, quite full of shit. Why is it that Conservative Blacks are less inclined to hype their own people. Jackson is a Democrat hack. His job is to lead American Blacks around by the nose. He's a millionaire who NEVER had a real job. He's a member of the CFR. He's the guy who wants to convince Americans that a scumbag like Al Gore is good for poor people and Blacks. After the last eight years, one would have to be truly stupid or ignorant not to know what Clinton and Gore have done to poor people during their stint in power. American Blacks were completely disregarded by this administration because everyone understands that BLACKS HAVE NO WHERE ELSE TO GO. Joshua2 -Original Message- From: Mason Weaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 6:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: MASON WEAVER: AN OPEN LETTER TO BLACK AMERICA A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FEDERAL JUDGE GOES TO WHITE HOUSE FOR SURPRISE INSPECTION OF E-MAIL TAPES
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{GRIN}...A lot can be done with 2 hours notice, might as well have been 2
months!
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Subject: [CTRL] FEDERAL JUDGE GOES TO WHITE HOUSE FOR SURPRISE
INSPECTION OF E-MAIL TAPES
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From: "Judicial Watch"
To: Subject: FEDERAL JUDGE GOES TO WHITE HOUSE FOR SURPRISE
INSPECTION OF E-MAIL TAPES
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 17:41:31 -0500
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November 13, 2000
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FEDERAL JUDGE GOES TO WHITE HOUSE FOR SURPRISE INSPECTION OF
E-MAIL TAPES
Judge Wanted to Personally Inspect Security Conditions of White
House E-Mail Tapes
Surprise Inspection Took Place November 6, 2000
(Washington, DC) A federal court judge, The Honorable Royce
Lamberth, conducted a surprise inspection of e-mail tapes at the
Clinton-Gore White House that had been previously been hidden
from him and another investigators. The inspection, announced
today during a court hearing, took Judge Lamberth gave the White
House two hours notice of his inspection.
Judge Lamberth said that he examined the area where the tapes
housing the e-mail were stored, and examined logs showing who had
access to the tapes. He also examined the security of procedures
used to copy the tapes for production of e-mail to the Court.
Judge Lamberth also reminded White House official Charles Easley,
the successor to Craig Livingstone (of FBI files infamy), that he
would him personally accountable if anything happened to the
tapes. Easley now has custody of the e-mail tapes. Judge Lamberth
announced that he was confident that the tapes were secure for
now.
The tapes at issue contain Clinton-Gore White House e-mail that
had been hidden from Judge Lamberth and other investigators for
nearly two years. Judicial Watch uncovered the e-mail through
White House whistleblower Sheryl Hall, who said that White House
officials threatened Northrop Grumman computer contractors to
keep the e-mail secret. The scandal is being pursued by Judicial
Watch in its ongoing Filegate civil lawsuit on behalf of those
Reagan and Bush staffers and others whose FBI files were taken
and misused by this White House.
We applaud Judge Lamberth for conducting the surprise inspection
to ensure that the Clinton-Gore White House is not tampering with
e-mail evidence. Judicial Watch still believes, however, that the
best way to secure the e-mail tapes is for the Court to take
custody directly, as the temptation to destroy the evidence will
only increase with the impending end of the Clinton-Gore
Administration, stated Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton.
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Re: [CTRL] Strange Email Problem
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I had the same problem a while back. I ran Norton Security for a while but
with everything else running it was chewing up Ram. I tried this little
jewel and no large uploading while online.
Optout
Tell Unwelcome Spyware to Pack its Bags!
by Steve Gibson, Gibson Research Corporation
http://grc.com/optout.htm
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Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 4:25 PM
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Subject: [CTRL] Strange Email Problem
-Caveat Lector-
When I start my email program (Pegasus) my computer starts *uploading*
huge amounts of data. In about 30 minutes it has already uploaded 30
Megabytes of data (I have DSL). This seems extremely suspicious. I have
an up to data virus program. It started after I installed a PGP
plugin. Has
anyone else had a similar problem? I will try uninstalling the plugin.
Steve
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Re: [CTRL] Bush Finally Admits DUI Arrest
-Caveat Lector- At least Clinton/Gore balanced the budget for a change, as opposed to 300 Billion + deficits and sluggish economy during the Reagan/Bush years. Carter was too blind to figure out the future effects of inflation. We bit the bullet for a couple years until we had a run of prosperity. Now we have an booming economy, Yes and a budget surplus. Heh heh heh... I.O.U.'s I guess some would like to return to the failed ways of the past. Get a few hundred more dollars back from a tax cut, Clinton either lied, told us what we wanted to hear or didn't know what the hell he was promising us. I think it was all of the former. I curious as to where all this money is coming from with all these new programs Gore is promising us. with higher interest rates, Didn't Greenspan hike interest rates a while back??? higher unemployment, Well we've got alot of jobs...too bad they don't pay spit. soaring medical costs, etc. Heh heh heh...evidently you haven't looked at your paycheck stub recently or don't have any hospitalization. Mine increases 50 cents per hour next week and they informed us it will go up another 20 cents per hour next June. Just give the big companies a big tax break and everything will be ok! I think you are dreaming... You're gonna have to get back in this reality. Something has to be done here. In Michigan we've had a bustling economy but...in our local area alone we've lost a General Motors Plant 8000 workers, most of the production facilities at Kellogg's Cereals, we had a Monsanto merger with Pharmacia/Upjohn with over 2000 jobs lost and we're waiting on the rumored American Home Products buyout/merger where they buyout and trash what they don't want. But then that's Ok cause we keep getting these Fast Food Restaurants on every street corner for job security. I remember when James Blanchard (democrat) was last Governor here, things seemed peachy until our 16 billion dollar debt caught up with us. John Engler(republican) found the "books were cooked" cleaned up the debt and put us on a surplus. We could have a rude awakening if Bush gets in and has a bunch of "Pro's" sort through the books that were handled by Clinton's Cronie's. Bush is smart enough to surround himself with qualified professionals and not "good old buddies". I still like to say I'm non-partisan but enough is enough. We need a little bit of both but it's time to get a republican in there to sort through it all and see what we've really got. Gore's making too many promises and trying to be too many things to too many people just like Clinton did. He's telling us what we want to hear. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Military missing absentee ballots
Military missing absentee ballots Some Army, Navy personnel unable to vote for new commander in chief By Jon E. Dougherty © 2000 WorldNetDaily.com Members of the military who are currently stationed overseas have complained that the Pentagon has not yet sent out absentee ballots this year, meaning they will not get to vote for a new commander in chief on Tuesday. Specifically, members of U.S. Navy units who are stationed overseas and aboard the USS Cole -- the destroyer recently attacked by terrorists while it was undergoing refueling in the port of Aden, Yemen -- have either not received ballots or won't get them in time because of current deployment circumstances, Pentagon officials said yesterday. "I've heard about this within the past week," said Lt. Dave Guy, a spokesman for the Army. "We are trying to get more information. We don't know if they were delayed through the mail." He added that due to current deployment considerations, some military members overseas likely would not get their ballots in time. "The support team for the USS Cole may not get their ballots due to intermittent mail," Guy said. "Some ballots could very well be delayed for a number of reasons." A Maine resident -- who asked not to be identified -- said her Navy daughter who is stationed in Tokyo has received her absentee ballot for every election except this one. "No one at the base will be voting because all the absentee ballots are missing," she told WorldNetDaily. Navy officials were also contacted but did not return phone calls. Critics have suggested that the Clinton administration may have purposely delayed sending absentee ballots to military personnel overseas because most, according to recent surveys, will vote Republican. The White House has denied those charges. According to Guy, officials with the Federal Voting Assistance Program -- which helps manage balloting for overseas service members -- "was not aware of any group non-delivery." Guy said depending on the home state of the member, ballots can be sent via Standard Form 136, which is a write-in ballot. States have different deadlines for such ballots, he added. Each ballot "is unit specific and handled individually," he said. Guy noted that "the military has a much higher participation [of overall voters] in the voting process" than does the general voting public. In the 1996 election, he said 64 percent of service members participated; 40 percent of those were absentee ballots. Twelve percent could not vote for various reasons, including because ballots were either sent late or otherwise not received on time. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_dougherty/20001104_xnjdo_military_m.sht ml Military missing absentee ballots.url
Re: [CTRL] Bush Finally Admits DUI Arrest
-Caveat Lector- I remember that well, it was on the Nightly News on one of the major networks. And please, let's don't leave anyone out, as we've known for eight long years that Albert Gore isn't ready for prime time either. I still vividly remember video of AL GORE, visiting with William Jefferson Clinton, in 1992, at the Jefferson memorial, pointing up to the president's busts that lined the round office of the former founding father, and Big Al asking: "Who are these guys?" OH MY! eagle 1 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush Finally Admits DUI Arrest
In defense of "Eagle" I VIVIDLY remember it well and didn't see it aired recently. Seems like it was a tour of DC they and their wives were on and remember Gore gazing at these busts that lined the upper portion of a wall while making that statement. The first thought that came to my mind was "Well...here we go...this is gonna get good". I also waited for the tax cut Clinton promised us in his first campaign...what did we get...a Tax Increase. Clinton and Gore in my opinion have and are making promises they can't keep. I like to think I'm non-partisan and don't care for either candidate but would have to decide against Gore in this campaign. -Original Message-From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of William ShannonSent: Friday, November 03, 2000 8:33 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [CTRL] Bush Finally Admits DUI ArrestIn a message dated 11/2/00 11:39:43 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I still vividly remember video of AL GORE, visiting with William Jefferson Clinton, in 1992, at the Jefferson memorial, pointing up to the president's busts that lined the round office of the former founding father, and Big Al asking: "Who are these guys?" OH MY! eagle 1What you "vividly remember" is a recent FOX News piece on this gaffe'...I hardly belive that you actually caught this when it was originally aired. Bill.
Re: [CTRL] Asteroid Nearly Hits Earth, NASA Silent...10/31/00
-Caveat Lector- If this is true you can damn well bet NASA knew. If they were to inform the masses of such an event the first thing you'd hear would be a "The World is coming to an End" panic. This would most likely follow with "rape pillage and plunder". And where would the cops be even if they had enough resources to handle this panic?HOME! -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Amelia Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 4:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Asteroid Nearly Hits Earth, NASA Silent...10/31/00 -Caveat Lector- "On Nov 1, Archibald Bard wrote:" [ text of forwarded message follows ] Archibald Bard Pro Libertate - For Freedom ICQ 83834746 [snip] Check this out for yourself! Asteroid Nearly Hits Earth, NASA Silent...10/31/00 by Mitch Battros (ECTV) Late yesterday night, a large NEA (near earth asteroid) 600 meters in size came close enough to the Earth to be named a "near miss". NASA astronomers have named this asteroid "Toutatis". It is one of the largest known "Potentially Hazardous Asteroids" (PHAs) and its orbit is inclined less than half-a-degree from Earth's. Definition..(PHA) http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/neo/pha.html Why was NASA silent on such a large event? Did they not know it was coming? The answer is a very suspicious NO. According to NASA's own article, they did know of its presence, and for some time. Why was the public not notified? It's not as if they have not been public of other NEO's. In the last month, I have seen no less than ten articles on Eros. So why the sudden surprise with this one? Is NASA so dense to think that suppressing information, then releasing after the fact will only enhance suspicion and speculation. I believe this is not only self-defeating, but reckless, and irresponsible. In 1997 or '98, a press release was put out stating "Toutatis was an unpredictable asteroid with unreliable trajectories"... A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Written by a minister:
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- just wouldn't tolerate someone who would lie to the American people by promising "no new taxes" and then going back on his word. Granted Bush did make that statement. What you never hear brought up is during Clinton's first presidential campaign he promised a tax cut...shortly after he took office he raised out taxes. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FW: HOW to GET CENSUS SHORT FORM CENSUS' USE in JAPANESE AMERICAN PRISON CAMPS
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 9:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: HOW to GET CENSUS SHORT FORM CENSUS' USE in JAPANESE AMERICAN PRISON CAMPS COMMUNIQUE #2291 http://TeamInfinity.com/~ralph/church - "Only puny secrets need protection. Big discoveries are protected by public incredulity." (92) Marshall McLuhan writes in his 1972 book "Take Today" 1-877-611-TRADE USE IT TODAY OVER and OVER AGAIN, PRESS 2 NOT 1 !!! 1-800-CHEM-LAWN CALL CHEM-LAWN TODAY ask if their kids have genes http://www.theskulls.net NEW MOVIE on SKULLS SOCIETY HOW to GET the CENSUS SHORT FORM CENSUS DATA USED in 1942 Roundup and Imprisonment of JAPANESE AMERICANS CENSUS GOOD NEWS 1-800-471-9424 CENSUS COMPLAINT LINE You can get out of filling out the long form, I will explain how below my initial comments and backgrounder. Also did you know that JAPANESE AMERICANS during WWII were rounded up and interned in concentration camps here in America and that the information used to determine who was Japanese and where they lived was CENSUS DATA ? That is right, CENSUS DATA was used in the round up and internment of JAPANESE AMERICANS right here in the UNITED STATES of AMERICA. So dont give me this bull that this data is never SHARED, whatever the frig. 'Lucky' me got the long form, there are actually SEVEN DIFFERENT forms according to the Census CONTRACTOR I spoke with. What is up with that ? How do they pick who gets what form. I called their 800 number, and I asked if I was speaking to a government employee or a private contractor, she replied contractor, so I asked who paid her, and she said a private company but would NOT reveal the name of the private company. Before I spoke with her, I had made the mistake of calling from a home phone. I spoke with a male whose first question was, "Could you please verify your area code ?", to which I replied, "Dont play games with me, you already know the entire phone number, DONT YOU, to which he at first replied "no", then upon my further insistance he replied that "he did", to which I replied, "Could you please tell me what phone number I am calling from ?", to which he replied, "Sure", and sure enough he did, he read me back the ENTIRE number from which I had called, at which point I asked, "Is this call being recorded ?", at which point he replied, "I am not at liberty to tell you," at which point I persisted, upon which he then admitted, "YES, this call is being recorded, and has already been logged into the computer along with my comments about my displeasure and refusal to send in the form and my comments about the JAPANESE AMERICAN's being rounded up based on CENSUS DATA", at which point I said I was calling from a friend's house and that it was not really fair to mt friend that he should have the call logged when I was not calling from my own house," to which he replied, "It is too late, it is already entered into the computer along with the recording", to which I responded, "This is outrageous, and that this was not fair to my friend whose phone I was calling from", to which he responded, "What is the name of the form I had in my hand, in the lower left hand corner", to which I replied, "it is my friend's form, not mine, besides, I thought there were only two different forms, a long and a short", to which he replied, "No, there are actually SEVEN DIFFERENT FORMS", I said, "Wow, and tried to terminate the call, but he kept insisting he wanted to know which form was in my hand even though it was NOT my form but my friend's, and finally I just said thanks and that I would call him back when I get my form, and I hung up Then I called back, and got a lady, who asked me, "Could you please verify your area code", upon which I replied, "Dont play games with me, I know damn well you know my entire number as I just got off the phone 3 seconds ago with a guy at 'census', actually department of COMMERCE, who knew the number I was calling from down to the last digit, and you are LYING to me, so give me your supervisor", to which she repsonded, "I am not lying to you, hold on while I get my floor supervisor". I then spoke with the floor supervisor who was very friendly and sympathetic and who assured me that they did NOT have my entire number. She said that all she could tell was that I was either calling from Puerto Rico, or OTHER, so either she is lying, or the first guy I spoke with was at another division that had caller id capabilities, who knows, but the floor supervisor became VERY understanding when I related to her the history of AMERICAN PRISON CAMPS of JAPANESE AMERICANS ROUNDED UP via CENSUS DATA. She was SHOCKED to hear this, and at this point
Re: [CTRL] THE EBAY HAUNTED PAINTING INTERVIEW
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Heh heh heh...that's what I thought...if ya wanna "talk the talk" you better understand what a programmer basically refers to as "code". It is written "code", meaning type written executable code. Yes technically a jpg is code, binary but then everything is. A jpg is "data" referenced by an executable to display it as a picture. No you can't put any executable code in a jpeg and keep the integrity of the picture. Your statement is misinformation and irresponsible and probably making others here too paranoid to display a jpg. I haven't written any code for ten years or more now but I haven't forgotten that much! I'd sure like to see some code in a jpg. A .jpg IS code. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] THE EBAY HAUNTED PAINTING INTERVIEW
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- I'd sure like to see some code in a jpg. So they're booby-trapped with embeded trojans. So what? It happens everyday. It ain't supernatural, it's programming. Instead of wondering which ghost cause the image to dissapear, wonder what ELSE the trojan(s) have done to your hard drive, and what else they are doing right now to your system even as you read this. Are they, for example, spying on you? Did the booby-trap include D.I.R.T. or B. O.? And if that wasn't enough to worry about, there's "web bugs," single pixal sized dots, transparent, in your email itself, that do a script when open the email. They're most often used to monitor who is reading a web page or reading an email. They can also be found in certain newsgroups. They could concievably be put to some very sinister purposes, indeed. See: http://www.tiac.net/users/smiths/privacy/wbfaq.htm A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] NASA cover up?
-Caveat Lector- The link is good...I just got onsite. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bob Plante Sent: Monday, December 06, 1999 10:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] NASA cover up? -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/6/99 4:56:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.sba.oakland.edu/faculty/schwartz/nasa/mco_report.pdf. I have and use Acrobat. I tried the above link again and this is the error msg. that I get. HTTP Error 404 404 Not Found DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: POLLUTED PET FOOD
-Caveat Lector- I've read this before. What I would like to see is a list of Pet Food Processors and their products that are beneficial to your pet. You walk into a Pets Plus Store and there are so many pet food items you could be in there for days trying to sort through all the ingredients to find a decent product. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Governor posts inaccurate info on gun deaths
http://www.ocregister.com/community/crimecourts/daviss28w2.shtml Governor posts inaccurate info on gun deaths August 28, 1999 The Orange County Register SACRAMENTO Gov. Gray Davis' office Friday overstated by more than 10 times the number of children killed in accidental shootings in California. In a news release issued by the governor's office and posted on the governor's Internet page, Davis said 675 children died last year in accidental shootings and 2,000 had perished in the past six years. In fact, no numbers are available for such deaths in 1998. The most recent figures from the state Health Services Department show that seven children under 15 died from accidental gunshot wounds in 1997. Another 34 people 15 to 24 died in such shootings. A study by the Violence Prevention Center said 675 children under 18 died in 1996 from gunshot wounds. A Davis spokeswoman said the error occurred when a press aide writing the release misinterpreted numbers in a speech prepared for Davis. The governor's office pulled the errant release from the Internet after inquiries from The Orange County Register. Governor posts inaccurate info on gun deaths.url
Re: [CTRL] Was it a Paper Moon? Did we go to the Moon?
-Caveat Lector- Speaking of which maybe I will try and run it by some people. Comments anyone?. Gavin. An explanation for the "Moonrocks" brought back to Earth would be interesting. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] David Icke and Corso
-Caveat Lector- I thought his name was Phillip Corso? He's since passed on and none of the "credible" big names in Ufology ever took him or his alien-technology claims seriously. Big names...like who? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] GATE$: MY DOUGH WILL GO BEFORE I LOG OFF
http://www.nypost.com/news/1315.htm GATE$: MY DOUGH WILL GO BEFORE I LOG OFF By KIRSTEN DANIS The richest man in the world is giving almost all of it away. Microsoft founder Bill Gates and his wife plan to devote most of their $105 billion fortune to wiping out deadly diseases such as AIDS and malaria, the Sunday Times of London reported today. "Melinda and I want our children - and all children - to grow up in a world without AIDS," Gates said. The astonishing move would turn Gates' charitable foundation into by far the biggest benefactor in the world. But the billionaire computer geek won't leave his two kids in the poor house - he's setting aside $21 million for their inheritance. The William H. Gates Foundation, the family charity run by Gates' father, will announce in the next three months how it plans to become the largest charity on Earth. "My son is going to have critics all his life because of his wealth. But I'm optimistic we have put to rest any criticism on the basis of his not being sufficiently generous," Gates Sr. told the newspaper. The foundation now has about $10.3 billion in its coffers, making it the fifth largest private charity in the world. The London-based Glaxco Wellcome Foundation is the largest, with $16.6 billion. Now embroiled in an anti-trust suit with the federal government, Gates Jr., 43, expects to cash out his Microsoft holdings and divert almost all of his wealth to the foundation before he and his wife die. Most of the money would be devoted to the search for vaccines for killer communicable diseases. Gates Jr. and Melinda have been worried about world health issues since visiting South Africa and India in 1995, his father said. Earlier this year, Gates gave $2.23 billion to the William H. Gates Foundation and $1.11 to the Gates Learning Foundation. He also gave $20 million to the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Gates, father of the Windows operating system, has come under fire for making relatively paltry donations - especially computer gifts critics contend hook young users on his product. But Gates, a self-made man, has read Andrew Carnegie's "The Gospel of Truth" several times and loves the quote, "The man who dies rich dies in disgrace." New York Post Online Edition News.url
Re: [CTRL] William Bill Cooper John Lear
-Caveat Lector- Hi ...does anyone any more about this? http://home.worldonline.nl/~karel/ufo/people/cooper-lear/index.html Not in defense of Cooper or Lear, this researcher's(Karel) interests seem more focused on Cybersex:-) http://home-1.worldonline.nl/~karel/sex.html DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Humor: This one is really good!!
-Caveat Lector- Good joke Hilary, BTW...how many children do we have on this list now??? -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hilary A. Thomas Sent: Sunday, June 27, 1999 6:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Humor: This one is really good!! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] CONTRAIL ALERT - N. California
-Caveat Lector- Received this from John Winston...he lives in Northern CA. [snip] Today started off nice but they starting spraying the area with Chemtrials at at about 9:30 am and quit spraying at 2:00 pm. Most of it has settled out to the upper air onto the air that we breathe now and it should be safe to go outside in about 6 hours, I would say. [snip] -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Steve Wingate Sent: Saturday, May 08, 1999 9:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] CONTRAIL ALERT - N. California -Caveat Lector- Contrails are being laid over Northern California from Eureka south to the San Francisco Bay area and Sacramento. The weathern pattern is sweeping these contrails to the south across the state. I am noticing breathing difficulties and a chemical taste where I live N. of SF and can see contrails which are creating heavy haze and cloud formations. Regards, Steve Steve Wingate California Director SKYWATCH INTERNATIONAL ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Art Bell is GONE
-Caveat Lector- Source - http://www.stephens-behold.com/index.html News Break 4-28-1999 @10PM MST ART BELL IS GONE This link should answer the credibility of the above. http://www.borderlands.com/robertfraud.htm And _this_ link answers the blatant DIS-INFORMATION of the the Borderlands link - [snip] http://crossfields.com/~watcher/robertamstephenspage.html Read it and weep, dis-info agent! [snip] Well yes... your link proves it all, you're just an incredible and accurate source of information. No sense in going to the following site as it's probably all just Bullshit, right? PHONY SEAL POSTERCHILD '98: ROBERT A.M. STEPHENS Robert A.M. Stephens laid claim to being a SEAL Reservist attached to SEAL Team THREE, a NASA Space Shuttle contractor and a government "BlackOps insider" with information on everything from UFO cow lip research to DoD Kaptain Krunch decoder rings. He foisted his nonsense to hundreds of thousands of listeners on the Art Bell radio program until we hoisted him up by his skivvies on the yardarm. http://the-south.com/TheTeams/fakers.shtml DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Richard Hoagland Fakes Heart Attack
-Caveat Lector- Contact the The God of Skinny Punks for Comments, Questions, Site Problems, Tips and to act as a Deep Throat Sounds like he "Deep Throated" too much Prozac. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Can any verify this?
-Caveat Lector- "Executive Orders are for selling and purchasing of land. And nothing else, in fact there is NO Constitutional Amendment to create an EO. And until there is these EOs are NULL VOID!!!" I may be wrong, but I always thought an EO was a way of circumventing the US constitution as their authority rests on the President, whom I assume makes sure he has enough support in the House and Senate before issuing one. As for null and void, technically they probably are but like many "temporary" political meaures (income tax springs to mind) they would likely be upheld by the US courts as having garnered a certain "legitimacy" by their unchallenged use and the presumed consensus (?) reached before the issuance of them. Jamieson An Executive Order is a military term. All military establishments have a board when two thing are posted every day. 1. the orders of the day. and 2. The XO's Executive Orders. Lincoln was the first to use and EO. It happened just after the South Left the Union. When the South left, they no longer had a consensus to conduct business. Lincoln declared a National Emergency, declared martial law and began issuing EO's. We've been under Martial Law every since. Jim Norman I think you're correct Jim, in that technically we've been under martial since then. It's been my understanding that an EO written by the President has to be qualified in some way by members (maybe a subcommittee perhaps) of Congress. If the EO is enacted it is the law for six months and then Congress meets to decide if the EO should be continued. The problem I feel is allot can happen in six months for which no one can do anything about. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Historic Friendly Fire - The WW II Glenn Miller ...
-Caveat Lector- Read about that one years ago in the newsgroups. Did anyone else read a statement in our newspapers last year that came out of France that claimed that Glenn Miller had died of a heart attack in a Paris brothel? I was astounded, but here was no further comment nor a retraction. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Anyone Heard of this?
-Caveat Lector- -Caveat Lector- From: tamre l martin-stock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anyone else heard anything about this??...tamre - Forwarded message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Patrick Bailey) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (I_UFO-L) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:17:12 -0800 Subject: IUFO: June 30 Asteroid/Meteor Impact - Any Info? Message-ID: v02140b09b30c8441285d@[205.149.162.154] - IUFO Mailing List Does anyone have any hard data on this expected hit? June 30, 1999 (or so). I was told that it is coming... Heard that a while back but thought it was more Prophecy than anything else. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Bill and St. Peter
Clinton died and went to heaven -- or to be more accurate --approachedthe gates. After knocking at the gates, St. Peter appeared. Who goesthere? inquired St. Peter. It's me, Bill Clinton And what do you want? asked St. Peter. Lemme in! replied Clinton. S, pondered Peter. What bad things did you do on earth? Clinton thought a bit and answered, Well, I smoked marijuana but youshouldn't hold that against me because I didn't inhale. I guess I hadextra-marital sex -- but you shouldn't hold that against me because Ididn't really have 'sexual relations.' And I lied, but I didn't commitperjury. After several moments of deliberation St. Peter replied, OK, here's thedeal. We'll send you someplace where it is very hot, but we won't call it'Hell.' You'll be there for an indefinite period of time, but we won'tcall it 'eternity.' And don't 'abandon all hope' upon entering, just don't hold your breathwaiting for it to freeze over.
